Adakah Guan Eng seorang Kristian?

January 6, 2012 at 4:51 am 12 comments

Lim Guan Eng ialah setiausaha agung DAP

Lim Guan Eng ialah ketua menteri Pulau Pinang

Lim Guan Eng ialah exco negeri untuk portfolio Tanah

Lim Guan Eng ialah exco negeri untuk portfolio Hal-ehwal Agama-agama Bukan Islam

Lim Guan Eng ialah Ahli Parlimen Bagan

Lim Guan Eng ialah Ahli Dewan Undangan Negeri Air Putih

(baca bagaimana tanah kubur pun digali untuk projek pembinaan)

Lim Guan Eng ialah pengerusi Penang Development Corporation (PDC)

Lim Guan Eng ialah pengerusi Invest-in-Penang Berhad

Lim Guan Eng ialah pengerusi Perbadanan Bekalan Air Pulau Pinang

Lim Guan Eng ialah pengerusi Penang Institute

Lim Guan Eng ialah pengerusi Penang Green Council

Lim Guan Eng ialah pengerusi George Town World Heritage Incorporated

Lim Guan Eng mestilah bergaji besar setiap bulan dengan mempengerusikan begitu banyak badan-badan yang dibiayai kerajaan

Lim Guan Eng mengerjakan ibadat untuk agama apa ini?

Lim Guan Eng ialah seorang “control freak“, kata ketua Pemuda Umno Pulau Pinang, Shaikh Hussein Mydin

Lim Guan Eng “terlalu sibuk” untuk menjaga kawasan Parlimennya, kata David Chua — koordinator Barisan Nasional di daerah Bagan

Lim Guan Eng bukan seorang manusia biasa yang tertakluk kepada hanya 24 jam sehari

Lim Guan Eng mempunyai peminat setia di kalangan NGO-NGO Pulau Pinang, misalnya mantan presiden Aliran P. Ramakrishnan yang baru-baru ini membalun Lim Boo Chang (seorang pengkritik ketua menteri tersebut)

Lim Guan Eng nampaknya amat menghalusi perkara-perkara berkaitan tanah

Lim Guan Eng ialah pengerusi PDC

Lim Guan Eng ialah seorang yang tidak beragama, kata Teresa Kok

Namun Lim Guan Eng seolah-olah membayangkan dia Kristian dalam perutusan rasminya pada Hari Natal di mana dia menyebut:

DEC 25 — Christians celebrate not just the birth of Jesus Christ but also hope on Christmas Day. We pray for peace, joy and goodwill to all.

Guan Eng menggunakan kata ganti nama ‘kami’ (we) dalam ayat “we pray for peace, joy and goodwill to all” yang menggambarkan dia pun Kristian.

Teresa, Tony, Hannah, David, Nie Ching dan James adalah orang kuat Kristian DAP. Bagaimana pula dengan Lim Guan Eng?


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  • 1. faith  |  January 6, 2012 at 8:25 am

    Ada terbaca dulu yg guan eng mengaku nak jadi islam tapi ken tunggu lim kit siang gone dulu…mungkin dlm diam dia dah islam sekarang..

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    • 2. Forsaken Machina  |  January 6, 2012 at 11:47 am

      :) haha…kit siang akan turun 901 coz he’s malaysian first. but many malaysian firsters believe guan eng might not coz he’s think smart-act safe :)

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  • 3. Aidil Yunus  |  January 7, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    Nothing is wrong by being Christian but something is wrong when you try to hide your faith so that you can manipulate it to your advantage. A leader who is manipulating his faith or others faith to his advantage is such a low life human being. LGE makes me sick. I rather deal with religious extremist than someone like him.

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    • 4. Helen Ang  |  January 7, 2012 at 2:35 pm

      In the photo above, LGE is clasping his hands in a Taoist ritual. His many church attendances are on record. Some PAS people have been praying that he convert to Islam (urm, perhaps he gave them such an impression? resulting in their feeling encouraged).

      If Anwar is a political chameleon, LGE appears to be a religious chameleon. Except we haven’t seen many pictures of him doing Hindu publicity stunts just as yet … perhaps he’s got a similar “metallic black” outlook like David Nga Kor Ming, and doesn’t think Indian votes are worth courting.

      History has shown us how destructive the leaders can be who cynically manipulate religious sentiments. For all that we can say (negatively) about Mahathir, at least on a personal level, he did not make a show of religious piety or over-appeal to religious morality to win support.

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      • 5. Aidil Yunus  |  January 7, 2012 at 3:05 pm

        See Helen, I can’t even keep track. Sekejap itu dan sekejap ini. Btw the nothing wrong opening was meant for LGE. I want to tell him that it is nothing wrong to be a Christian. Yippie for Helen responding :-)

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  • 6. BenG  |  January 9, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    I think your judgement here is quite off already (whether or not it’s you being biased and attempting to blast LGE or whether you have inadequately done proper research beforehand is not my problem, nor worth my time speculating, but you had made your conclusion and I will speak on that).

    The above 6 posts held by LGE is definitely true. Also true are the other (below) 6 “chairman” posts held by him. However, it is not unheard of of such situations. This is primarily due to how the management organization works in Malaysia. Some chairman’s like to go to ground level with his/her workers and I applaud that, but most will only approve or disapprove any projects/decisions, chair main meetings, maybe deal with “difficult” clients, while the rest of the work is done by his/her workers. Considering the second scenario (it is far more common), it is clear the “chairman” will have quite some time to do other things. Also, being the CM of Penang, he is automatically responsible and in charge of anything that is related to the state of Penang. This is very evident in ALL states, and possibly even on the federal level. (I will provide evidence below). For companies/corporations which are “chaired” by the CM, most of the time (I daresay all of the time) it is the GM which does the (donkey’s) work.

    Moreover, upon further digging into those companies, some (can’t verify all) of them are NPO (Non-profit organizations). Whether or not the CM gets a single cent for being the chairman, I guess we have to subpoena his bank records for that. But it is a reasonable point of yours regarding that issue.

    As for the evidence, lets take the CM of Melaka, YAB Ali Rustam as an example. (Following your style of presenting facts):

    He is the chairman of BN Melaka (this is just one source, there are more, but since this is pro gov, there is no doubt he is head of BN Melaka) http://www.papagomo.com/2010/12/terkini-senarai-pengerusi-dan-timbalan.html

    He is the Chief Minister of Melaka (self-evident)

    He holds the portfolio of land management of Melaka.

    He holds the portfolio of finance and economic management of Melaka.

    He holds the portfolio of science and green technology of Melaka.

    He does not have any MP post, but there is some speculation that LGE will only contest one seat in GE 13 (That will make things even should Penang fall to DAP again).

    He is the DUN member of Bukit Baru.

    He is (if you want to argue was I am fine with it, but do remember he was in charge for 2 full years) the chairman of PPSPM http://ppspm.gov.my/ahli_lembaga_pengarah.html

    He is the chairman of PHTJ http://www.phtj.gov.my/home/info-phtj/pengurusan/ahli-lembaga-pengarah/

    He is the chairman of MICTH http://www.micth.com/www/v1/portfolio.php?ref=portfolio1&nav=portfolio&id=bm

    He is the chairman of TAPEM http://tapem.dotdot.com.my/main/page.php?s=ahli_lembaga

    He is the chairman of PKNM http://bm.pknm.com/index.php?name=ezcms&menu=47&page_id=59

    He is the chairman of Yayasan Melaka http://www.yayasanmelaka.gov.my/web2011/dmdi.php

    There are more, and LGE definitely has more as well, but I shall stop here on this assuming that my point has got across. So does he earn as much as well? Judge for yourself.

    As for your final conclusion. You had done a mistake in just copying only 2 sentences instead of the whole paragraph and just judged it based on that and not the whole paragraph. Allow me to copy the paragraph.
    “Christians celebrate not just the birth of Jesus Christ but also hope on Christmas Day. We pray for peace, joy and goodwill to all. Penang also celebrates hope by establishing a people-centric government based on integrity, good governance and letting the people realise their full potential.”
    It is important to take note sentence 3, where the words Penang ALSO …. is used. Now this will result in 2 possible scenarios:

    A) Your assumption is true and that the “we” is regarded as all Christians and LGE included and you can form your conclusion from there.

    B) That the “we” is in reference to the Penangites and therefore your argument will be invalid. And please do not bring up the issue on “praying for hope, peace etc” cause that will bring up another equally long comment.
    ________________________________________________________________________________

    Take one example, Penang Institute, which may be classed ‘non-profit’ as you say but it’s also non-revenue and receiving grant from Pg state govt for its operations. Is there abuse from pollies holding positions? Yes. PBA paid for Mat Sabu’s medical bill even though his injury was sustained during bersih 2.0 rally which has nothing to do with PBA. — Helen

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    • 7. Helen Ang  |  January 9, 2012 at 8:08 pm

      Your suggestion that “we” could stand for ‘Penang’ and not ‘Christians’ doesn’t make sense.

      The sentence starts “Christians celebrate not just the birth of Jesus Christ but also hope on Christmas Day.

      (A) following on from above reads: “We [Christians] pray for peace, joy and goodwill to all.”

      You’re suggesting option (B) with “we” referring to Penang, which will make the sentence read: “We [Penang] pray for peace, joy and goodwill to all”.

      It’s quite a jump in continuity & in any case the word then should be ‘Penangites’ (not ‘Penang’) but why confine reference to one state when the X’mas message is national?

      Defenders of LGE and Pakatan are so tiresome… sigh. He and the DAP can do no wrong in Chinese eyes, is it?

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      • 8. BenG  |  January 11, 2012 at 11:53 am

        PI did not mention they are an NGO, they only mention being an NPO. Know the difference. Similarly with Khazanah, which is semi govermental. Or PI could be completely a government organization (likely), in which case the CM has to be in charge.And there would not be an abuse of policies in that situation.

        So Mat Sabu is not in PBA? Even in some private companies, workers get to claim medical bills due to injuries. If you are indeed attacking the worker of abusing his right of claiming medical expenses from companies (if it is listed in the company, I am as yet uncertain on the labour laws), then I think you have a lot of explaining to do.

        I admit that his speech is filled with flaws and in this a case of equivocation which results in differing opinion. Yes there is an issue with continuity. HOWEVER, your case of continuity can go both ways, ie, that that sentence (whether representing the Christians or Penangites) does not makes sense at all. Following your arguement, It should read:
        “Christians celebrate not just the birth of Jesus Christ but also hope on Christmas Day. Christians and I also pray for peace, joy and goodwill to all. Penang also celebrates hope by establishing a people-centric government based on integrity, good governance and letting the people realise their full potential.”
        The third sentence is totally detached from the second sentence, as they are both mentioning two different things. And please don’t throw in a red herring here on the “national” thing.

        Gosh I can’t believe that you accuse me of pro-DAP. I see both sides on their flaws and strengths, and considering your blog is roughly 90% about the opposition, what do you expect me to say?!?! Please, perhaps we could have a chat only then you can better understand how I think. I don’t like hasty concluding on assumptions. Likewise, people MAY see you as pro-BN, but I try not to see it this way. You have raised a valid point indeed regarding the usage of “we”, however, I am just here to criticize you on not considering other possible options, not defending DAP as you claim. Please do not become the people who you yourself is criticizing almost daily (there are too many of those individuals in Malaysia).
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        Puh-leezlah BenG,

        LGE’s X’mas message reads exactly as follows:

        “DEC 25 — Christians celebrate not just the birth of Jesus Christ but also hope on Christmas Day. We pray for peace, joy and goodwill to all. Penang also celebrates hope by establishing a people-centric government based on integrity, good governance and letting the people realise their full potential. Penang has benefited from a clean government.”

        Anyone reading the above 4 sentence-flow can easily interpret who it is that is praying for peace, joy and goodwill to all.

        I say “we” (pray for peace) refers to Christians. You’re trying to argue that “we” could refer to Penang instead.

        I leave it to readers to judge which one of the two options makes more sense. From there, they can make up their own mind about the rest of your comment. — Helen

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      • 9. BenG  |  January 11, 2012 at 4:07 pm

        I knew sooner or later that this will come up (hence I mentioned that I do not want to write my long comment on it earlier), regarding the praying issue. Gosh you are just stuck in stereotyping religion. For simplicities (and my time trying to explain to someone who stereotypes religion) sake, just answer this 2 question for me.
        Do Christians, Muslim, Hindus (technically it is wrong to say Hindu, but again for simplicity yeah), Buddhist (buddhist is a little tricky in a sense some sects don’t pray), even some atheist and agnostics (not unheard of) pray for peace, joy and goodwill to all?
        If yes, then what religion do Penangites profess? If no, go and read the Bible(visit CF or church activities while you’re at it), Quran, Dhammapada (go and learn metta meditation while you’re at it), and other scriptures.
        And yes, like I said, it is up to you to believe anything. However, it is wrong to just plain discredit a possible scenario without evidence. I am not forcing my view on you, merely pointing out to you there are other scenarios here.

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  • 10. BenG  |  January 11, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    Correction: PI can also be a GLC, not semi-governmental organization. So is Khazanah. But what I wanted to say was that they are (well, PI MAY be one) GLCs, just the misuse of some terms here. Sorry about this and I hope you read this correction before writing your reply.

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  • 11. jason  |  January 25, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    A well-informed source close to Tony Pua told that LGE is a Christian but he’s not one to publicly declare that possibly due to political pragmatism. His wife Betty is a catholic, it seems. it is time that someone ask these politicians to declare their faith and religious beliefs; after all LGE etc has declared their assets publicly so what’s so difficult about declaring your religious beliefs and faith. We don’t wanna have secret christians and neither are christian chursches secret societies. Let’s be transparent. CAT cha.

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  • 12. Rakesh Kumar  |  May 14, 2012 at 5:50 pm

    “DEC 25 — Christians celebrate not just the birth of Jesus Christ but also hope on Christmas Day. We pray for peace, joy and goodwill to all. Penang also celebrates hope by establishing a people-centric government based on integrity, good governance and letting the people realise their full potential. Penang has benefited from a clean government.”

    The “we” in the second para is clearly denotes “Christians”. of the first sentence. The “also” in third sentence says that Penang also (with Christians) celebrate, blah, blah, blah.

    For example, say Lt Worf says, “Klingons love violence and disorder. We incite riots and destructions. The state of Kelingon also work in triggering such awesome actions.” The “we” denotes “Klingons”. See? The third para just includes that particular state.

    Gosh, Star Trek loving DAPsters are going to love the example comparison ;)

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