Enter the fire-breathing, condescending Christian

January 25, 2012 at 3:06 am 17 comments

It’s not only the Chinese who have the dragon in their myth. The red dragon was the battle standard of King Arthur of the fabled Knights of the Round Table.

The orang putih heraldic dragon is truly a fearsome creature with a forked tongue.

Two recent articles by Christians in The Malaysian Insider (TMI) and Malaysiakini:

Perkasa’s perverted paranoia‘ by David Martin (24 Jan 2012) – click on thumbnail below to enlarge

Arabic is not tied to a particular religion‘ by Kevin Chin (10 Jan 2012) – click to enlarge

David writes:

“What’s with Perkasa’s paranoia with Christianity anyway? Why are the Christians made the bogeyman for any & all threats to Islam in this country in the last few years?”

David/TMI

Oh. So David has noticed that this occurrence can be traced back a few years. But he somehow fails to make the connection.

Isn’t it over the past few years that evangelical Christian politicians attained a measure of power through the DAP and other Pakatan politicians?

Isn’t it only in the last several years that they’ve been provided a friendly platform such as TMI (launched around the 2008 general election), and the portal now being where David and his ilk as well as Christian issues – most recently Convent Bukit Nanas – are given disproportionate airtime? In comparison, TMI hardly ever carries Indian or Hindu stories.

There’s a correlation, don’t you think, between David’s complaints and the rise and rise of the local Christian right?

David continues:

“In fact, if I wasn’t the least affected by these developments ['Allah', al-Kitab, solar powered bible] as a Christian, I’d find them highly amusing, the insecurities & paranoia of some quarters.”

He makes the accusation:

“The remarks made by a number of our so called ‘defenders of Islam’ in the country reveals a deep seated hatred for Christianity in this country.”

David is being one-sided in making out as if the Christians are innocent lambs in all of this, and that “Perkasa and all their bigoted supporters” alone are at fault.

He should also have looked at the role that evangelical politicians are playing in exacerbating the friction, the Christian crowd throwing stones as well as the pro-Christian bias in the alternative media for fanning the fire.

Kevin/mKini

Bismillah ir rahman ir rahim said in churches

Meanwhile, Kevin recounts how he was taken aback the first time he attended mass in Arabic and the Egyptian priest began his sermon with ‘Bismillah Al-Rahman, Al-Rahim’.

Kevin further asserts that the word ‘Allah’ is used in Christian churches in Egypt and other countries in the Middle East all the time.

Contending that “Arabic is not Islamic”, he adds:

“The only thing wrong with the picture in Malaysia is that the Malays are trying to hijack Arabic and make it a Muslim language, which it is not, it is just a language.”

Kevin sounds like The Nut Graph which insisted “since copyright for the word does not belong to Muslims, what right do Muslim groups and politicians have to demand that non-Muslims can only use ‘Tuhan’ and not ‘Allah’?” (‘Allah’ issue: Who started it?)

In the Damansara Utama Methodist Church (DUMC) controversy at the Dream Centre, the songs of praise ‘Alhamdulillah’ and ‘Allahuakhbar’ were sneaked into the programme. An innocuous, isolated instance?

Christian politicians in Muslim clothing

Christians unsheathe dragon claws

It’s not only ‘paranoid’ Perkasa that has gotten an adverse and defensive reaction from the Christians who have portrayed themselves to the western media as unreasonably victimized.

For writing that “the convention of Allah belongs to Islam”, I was greeted with hostility too by Malaysiakini readers two years ago (28 Jan 2010).

Below are some of their negative comments to my article (screenshot below):

Click to enlarge

Apart from these readers’ expressions of shock and dismay: “CONFUSED EXPOSITION”, “MUDDLED THOUGHT PROCESS”, “UTTER RUBBISH”, “AWFUL ARTICLE”, “CARELESS BROADBRUSHES”, “LACK OF UNDERSTANDING”, “HOW CAN SOMEONE SO SMART BE SO BREATHTAKINGLY DUMB!”, there were others who stated “HELEN ANG, YOU SOUND LIKE UMNO EMPLOYED”, and “HELEN ANG BELONGS TO UTUSAN!”… Someone asked me ‘DO U THINK SHE’S BEEN BOUGHT?”

To continue reading, go to http://malaysiakini.com/columns/123101 or click here RENCANA for the copypasted transfer.

Kevin in his argument tries to divorce Arabic from Islam. I disagree. Some languages have a strong influence on particular fields; Latin on legal terminology is one example.

casus belli, cui bono, inter alia, mutatis mutandis, non compos mentis, res ipsa loquitur, sine qua non, sine die, sub judice, ultra vires

Source: Understanding Latin Legalese

Other Latin words commonly used in law are ad hoc, affidavit, alibi, alias, bona fide, de facto, habeus corpus, modus operandi, per se, persona non grata, prima facis, pro bono, quid pro quo, status quo, subpeona, versus, etc.

Whereas the Malay language is strongly coloured by Arabic in its faith-related vocabulary. Among the borrowed words: Iman, akidah, solat, masjid, rasul, akhirat, azab, takbir, dsb (Ref. A useful list of Malay loan words from Arab can be found at Wikipedia)

Md. Asham Ahmad, an Ikim officer, wrote “nobody can understand the Qur’an and the religion of Islam without the knowledge of Arabic, and by Arabic here we mean the Islamised Arabic”.

The Christians vehemently disagreed with Md. Asham.

He added:

“Clearly what the Christians are trying to do is to de-Islamise Malay language for missionary purpose.”

– Read his full article at the Ikim website

Not only did the Christians vehemently disagree with him, they flew into a self-righteous rage at his article.

Fast forward a couple of years and we currently find that the Christians have increasingly acquired more bite, and this in turn causing the Muslims to flare their nostrils.

The new zodiac year of the Dragon promises some fiery tail swishing indeed. The rest of us ‘nons’ – Hindus, Buddhists, Toaists, pagans, agnostics, atheists – whose grouses are seldom given voice in the mainstream media will wisely stay outside the ring of fire.

All signs point to adherents of the two Abrahamic religions singeing each other.

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  • 1. Calvin Sankaran  |  January 25, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    Helen,

    In case you didn’t notice, this dude David Martin is a highly productive writer who specializes in articles decrying about the so-called “persecution” of the Christians in Malaysia. Now that the GE is just around the corner, you can expect the usual Christian Brothers and the likes of David, Lim Teck Ghee, Thomas Lee, etc burning midnight oil to fill our cyberspace with a flood of Biblical proportion with alarmist letters on topics such as “Allah issue”, “Lina Joy”, etc.

    You are of course, right in pointing out the rise of the Christian Right. This started not around 2008 but a bit earlier around 2006 when Pak Lah liberalised the media control policies. Taking advantage of this freedom, there was a deliberate move from the alternative media and Pakatan to focus on issues pertaining non Muslim / Malay race and religious matters.

    While I do not have any proof to back this up, but I believe it is actually the core strategy for Pakatan to use the race and religious cards to attack UMNO and BN in the 2008 GE. They were ably aided by a group of Christian Right leaders such as Archbishop Pakiam, Father Lawrence, Bishop Paul Tan (who actually supports hudud), Bishop Ng Moon Hing, Thomas Lee, etc

    During that period, some Churches openly invited DAP leaders to attend the masses and functions and speak on “current issues”. This opened the flood gates and the trend continues today.Even during the Bersih 2.0, there were Churches encouraging their flocks to join the demos. How that going to help the faith is beyond me.

    Any way, further to the points you have raised, one other interesting factor is the space given to Perkasa. Almost every statement issued by Perkasa is being given wide and prominent coverage. There is a very determined effort is being made to link Perkasa to UMNO and Islam. What these pro-PR sites are doing is to create a state of siege where the Christians are being made to be under extreme and violent threats. I am sure most Muslims in our country are moderate and are happy to coexist with and allow Christians to practice their faith is peace. However these media are trying their best to portray Muslims as intolerant and try to amplify the differences by their reporting. Not only they link Perkasa to Malays and Muslims but also Utusan as the voice of the group.

    Actually in my view, Perkasa is in a way the creation of the Christian Right. Fed up with the soft peddling of UMNO in the wake of the Christian Right and HINDRAF, some more rightist members of Malay Muslim community decided to form Perkasa.

    If you take a step back and view the strategy of PR, they are tearing our society apart using race and religion. They pit Christians vs Muslims.In Sabah and Sarawak, they use regionalism to split us. If you look at Indian politics, they are using Hindraf to pit the Indians vs UMNO.

    BTW, you may have also noted that LGE has recruited Thomas Lee as one of his “media consultants”.
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    Thanks Calvin. Can point to the (url) on news of LGE recruiting Thomas Lee? — Helen

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  • 2. Charles F Moreira  |  January 25, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    Dear Helen,

    Quite frankly, Malaysian politics has become rather silly and I have gotten rather tired of it.

    However, I have to disagree with you on the point of the name Allah for God. Allah indeed is an Arabic word for God used by Muslims and Christians in the Middle East.

    Even in one of Joseph Stalin’s books (I can’t recall which one), he wrote something like “only Allah knows.” Stalin was a former Orthodox Christian seminarian before he became a communist.

    Back to Malaysia, a key issue Malaysian Muslims have over the Christian use of the word Allah is due to the triune (trinity) nature of the Christian God (Father, Son & Holy Spirit) versus the singular nature of the Muslim Allah.

    One of my Muslim Malaysian friends said that Allah does not have a son, so Christians should not use it.

    So besides the historical and linguistic debate over the word Allah, a bigger issue is theological.

    Looking beyond the narrow confines of Malaysia, thanks to the Internet, we can obtain a much broader perspective on the issues concerning the religions of the Mediterranean region, including of the Middle East.

    For starters, the Jews were the first to take issue with the triune nature of the Christian God, since like the Muslims much later, the Jews also believe in one supreme God and do not accept the Christian concept of the Trinity.

    Jesus was rather antagonistic to the Jewish priesthood – i.e. Sadducees and Pharisees for a variety of reasons, including their corruption, while they regarded Jesus as a sort of heretic to Judaism and a threat to them.

    Also, early Christians before Roman Emperor Constantine embraced Christianity and made it the state religion of the Roman Empire, also have different interpretations of Jesus’ statement that he’s the Son of God.

    For example, the scriptures of the Coptic Christians of Egypt and the Gnostics suggest that Jesus was an especially pious disciple of God who was annointed as his “son” after his baptism by John the Baptist, much in the same way that Christians regard themselves a children of God.

    The above scriptures – i.e Gnostic (Nag Hammadi Library), Essene, Dead Sea Scrolls, etc were excluded from the Roman Catholic Bible and more were excluded from the King James Version used by the Protestants who came out of Roman Catholicism very much later. It was during this period that many priests and scholars who disagreed with the Church of Rome were denounced as heretics and even burned at the stake.

    Then there are others who allege that Christian concepts of virgin birth, saviour god, trinity, etc were adopted from earlier “pagan” religions.

    It should also be noted that the various Mediterranean religions tended to be rather tribal and national in nature, so one cannot dismiss their tendency to be rather political as well. I put the word “pagan” in quotes, since it has a political connotation.

    Is it no wonder then that so much violence and hatred has been due to religious conflicts in the Mediterranean and Middle East and continues till today.

    There’s an enormous amount of material on these different conflicting beliefs on the Internet and You Tube if one cares to do the research.

    These sorts of problems don’t exist among Buddhists, Hindus and Taoists, unless as in Sri Lanka, they are really due to ethnic, territorial and political issues between followers of different religions.

    Also, despite different practices and emphasis, Buddhism, Hinduism and Taoism tend to be more consistent in their core beliefs and are tolerant of any differences.
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    Yes Charles but … the quagmire remains until a ‘solution’ is arrived at. Someone’s got to give. — Helen

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    • 3. Charles F Moreira  |  January 25, 2012 at 5:25 pm

      The problem, Helen, is that I don’t see anyone agreeing to a “solution” any time soon.

      A simple solution is for Christians to say, “OK! We’ll use the word Abah, instead of Allah in our Bahasa Malaysia Bibles and publications,” but will this ever happen?

      Anyway, rather than get locked into never ending, circular arguments over points of dogma, doctrine and theology, perhaps it’s best to move on. Well, at least for me, that is.

      It’s like we could argue endlessly over whether the world will end on 21 December, 2012 and put forward all our arguments to back our case but at the end of the day, we’ll only know for sure when 21 December, 2012 comes around.

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      • 4. Calvin Sankaran  |  January 26, 2012 at 11:07 am

        Charles,

        To me, it is useless to argue based on academic or theological points for in the matters of religion, faith and emotion rather than logic is far more important. Winning on legal basic is akin to winning the battle but losing the war.

        So what’s the solution ? I think there are 2 factors to consider. One the population of Christians in Malaysia is only around 9% while Muslims are around 60%. The 2nd factor is the fact that many Muslims are still uncomfortable with the world Allah being used in Bible. As Christianity is a religion based on principles of love and peace, the only reasonable solution is to show understanding and agree to not to use the word Allah in the Bible.

        The status quo of allowing Allah in Sabah and Sarawak is a good compromise. However, for some reason some Christian leaders chose to challenge it and assert their so called rights based on some flimsy academic and historical “facts”. To me such stance is appalling and very unChristian (FYI I am a Christian myself).

        The issue of Allah controversy would never occurred had the Christian leaders agreed to the status quo and the compromise made for East Malaysia. Their provocative actions like importing Malay Bible via Pork Klang, ourt actions and the Herald’s aggressive reporting made the Muslims and the govt suspicious of their motives.

        I think the reason for the Christian leaders action is not religious but political. I have no proof for making this statement but I can find no other reasonable motives.

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      • 5. Charles F Moreira  |  January 26, 2012 at 2:23 pm

        Dear Calvin,

        I have to reply here, since this blog appears to limit replies to a certain level.

        You wrote:-

        “I think the reason for the Christian leaders action is not religious but political. I have no proof for making this statement but I can find no other reasonable motives.”

        That is my gut feeling too.

        I am not a Christian, even tough my late father, uncles and aunts were a Methodist and some of my cousins are Roman Catholic. My late mother was Buddhist and I tend to follow her.

        However, having attended some Catholic mass services in Petaling Jaya over the past year or so, I have been a bit uncomfortable with party political statements being made from the pulpit during the mass itself.

        While priests are entitled to have their own political opinions and biases towards certain political parties, I feel that the pulpit is not the platform to voice party political statements, though general political commentary on matters of concern to the congregation, church, Christianity or more general, non-partisan political matters of human rights, social justice, economic inequality, etc are fine.

        This applies to other religions too and I would disagree if a Buddhist monk were to make party political statements during a service, though it would be fine if he made them in his personal capacity outside.

        For example, how many priests have spoken out against the rising cost of accommodation or the destruction of the environment by property development in Penang. Perhaps you would know.

        BTW. I have read your statement elsewhere on the increasing unaffordability of housing in Penang under the Pakatan government and I thank you for highlighting an issue which has been swept under the carpet by the pro-Pakatan “alternative” media, which tends to tout improved transparency, happier Bumiputra contractos, etc but say little about matters such as employment opportunities, affordable housing, public transport, the condition of roads, environmental preservation, etc. which are more of concern to the man on the street.

        I am interested to know how happy the PEOPLE of Penang are with the Pakatan government and not just people in the urban areas of Penang island but in the rural areas of the island and on the mainland as well. So far, it’s been hard to find honest answers in the mainstream or “alternative” media.

        I live in Petaling Jaya, Selangor and haven’t really noticed any improvement in the condition of the roads, traffic congestion, unruly drivers, etc in my area, despite nearly four years of having a Pakatan state government.

        While Selangor has a “no plastic bags” policy every Saturday in the name of protecting the environment, there has been no official measures and provisions implemented by the Selangor state government to encourage and to facilitate conservation and recycling, apart from this “no plastic bags” policy each Saturday which is a mere token gesture which inconveniences the public like me.

        Instead, I have to rely on private re-cycling bins, when the Selangor state government should be in the forefront of raising public awareness in conservation and environmental issues, while providing ample facilities for us to deposit our items for recycling.

        Also, construction continues unabated.

        While the former Barisan state government was no better, I at least expected the Pakatan government to be a breath of fresh air but it is not.

        Petaling Jaya lacks an internal bus system but the Pakatan government has done nothing to provide one, apart from a token minibus.
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        “since this blog appears to limit replies to a certain level” — huh (?) Charles. Did you encounter a word limit block? My blog discussion settings will divert a comment with too many embedded urls (the system regards this as possible spam) but as far as I’m aware does not automatically reject comments on account of length. — Helen

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      • 6. Charles F Moreira  |  January 26, 2012 at 2:49 pm

        “Charles. Did you encounter a word limit block? My blog discussion settings will divert a comment with too many embedded urls (the system regards this as possible spam) but as far as I’m aware does not automatically reject comments on account of length. — Helen”

        Maybe it’s my browser but the “Balas” does not appear after some levels. I’m using Firefox on Linux. Maybe I should try Chrome and see.

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      • 7. Calvin Sankaran  |  January 27, 2012 at 12:07 pm

        This is to reply Charles’ post @ 2.23pm.

        I fully concur with you on the politicising of religion. It is a very unhealthy trend.

        I have a brother who lives in PJ and he says the same thing as you say (he voted for PR in 2008). He’s unhappy about many things, not just with the lack of progress or unfulfilled promises but also the regression of the state under Khalid.

        According to him, PR only implemented token measures like no plastic bag day, water subsidy, etc but the bigger issues such as infrastructure, governance, environment issues are ignored. He is upset that the waste disposal after Alam Flora has been poor. He’s angry to see DAP and PKR leaders openly abusing their positions and award contracts to cronies and family members. He says the PR leaders who drove Protons before GE now are being driven around in continental cars. He’s shocked to see PKNS lands and buildings being torn and replaced with development projects belonging to rich and DAP-connected Chinese businessmen. His list of grievances are long…

        As for Penang,LGE has done nothing worthwhile but only focusing on building up on his image by assembling a huge team of PR/media consultants. He’s extremely close to the big developers and you can see the DAP’s coffers now overflowing with money. He runs Penang like he runs DAP, like his personal fiefdom.

        He is destroying Penang by his development policies and promotes cronyism despite DAP’s stated policy of meritocracy.

        As for people, it is hard to judge the Penangite’s mood. However I can say a few points.
        - Chinese: There the 2 groups. One is the Ah Beng group who simply adores him and will never listen to anything bad about him even if iron-clad evidence is provided. The reason is LGE being from DAP, whom these people consider as the protector of the Chinese. The 2nd group is the educated people, these people are divided. Some are ABU so they will vote for LGE. The others are more balanced and worried about the lack of reforms under LGE and likely to back BN. Most likely the Chinese votes for DAP will fall slightly.

        Malays: DAP stands zero chance. There is no way the Penang Malays will vote for DAP or even PAS & PKR. They consider PKR & PAS as proxies of DAP and will reject them strongly. It is likely that PAS & PKR will not even retain a single seat and wiped out completely.

        Indians: Indians have not forgotten Kg Buah Pala and LGE will be forever associated with it. There are 3 groups. The ABU group will support PR while a majority (60% likely) support BN. The nuetral, Hindraf-linked Indians likely to skip voting as they distrust LGE, the destroyer of Kg Buah Pala.

        In the final analysis, the Chinese votes will decide who will win Penang.I believe even if PR retains Penang, it will be a close call. It is likely that DAP’s majority will be slashed and lose the 2/3 majority. They will face a strong UMNO opposition. The non Chinese in DAP govt will be weak leaders elected without being given mandate by people (senators rather than ADUNs). As such these will be mere puppets to the Cheap Minister.

        BN likely to be given bigger mandate in GE13 and reclaim the 2/3 majority at the national level. As such, PR will be much weaker. They also probably lose Kedah & Perak and even Kelantan. This means only Penang will be under PR. And coupled with the fact that DAP will not have 2/3 in Penang,LGE’s life will be very tough in his 2nd term. He would not have it so easy as in his 1st term.

        As such, Penangites better off reject DAP in GE13. Otherwise they will end up with a weakened DAP and LGE and this will affect Penang badly.

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  • 8. Calvin Sankaran  |  January 25, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    Hi Helen, here you go.

    http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2012/1/12/north/10220922&sec=north

    “The comment, in the December issue, was attributed to Lim’s media consultant Thomas Lee Seng Hock.”.

    You also can download the copy of Buletin Mutiara to verify that Thomas Lee is indeed a media consultant (look for the English version Siri 10) at:

    http://www.penang.gov.my/index.php/pusat-media/penerbitan/buletin-mutiara/cat_view/44-buletin-mutiara/46-2011

    Isn’t this indeed a case of unethical behavior and a conflict of interest ?
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    Thanks.

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  • 9. grandmarquis  |  January 26, 2012 at 1:07 am

    Hi Helen,

    I disagree that Allah is an arabic word. Allah is a “kata nama khas”. Its a name. Just as your name Helen, spell in roman character, you cannot say that Helen is an English word, neither it is Malay. But off course some name has its root to certain language, for example, Malay whose name is Melur has root meaning of a name of flower.

    But not in the case of Allah. Allah is the name of God worship by the Muslim and those of the Abrahamic religion. It has certain characteristic that distinguish It from other Gods. The arabic word for god is illa and rab. Illa has a more specific meaning that it is something that we worship. Whereas Rab means Lord, which refers to supreme ownership.

    When Muslim mengucap, they say, la illa ha il Allah, means no illa (i.e. something to be worship) except Allah. Note that we never say la rab illa Allah, which literally can be translated to no lord except Allah.

    What we can conclude from here? That the word Allah is a name. A name of an illa, not a word that means god. Otherwise, we would say la Allah illa illa (rab). This completely does not make any sense. Like I say, no Helen except human and no human except Helen. Which one make sense? Obviously the later.

    So don’t buy in to those self proclaim “expert” in Arabic and theology who make claim about Allah without providing any logical basis.
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    Thank you Grandmarquis for making the distinction clear. — Helen

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    • 10. Charles F Moreira  |  January 26, 2012 at 2:45 pm

      Dear Grandmarquis,

      You wrote:-

      “Allah is the name of God worship by the Muslim and those of the Abrahamic religion.”

      Well, Christianity is one of the Abrahamic religions too, so why can’t Christians and Jews also use the name Allah for the same god?

      The kinds of arguments going on around this issue seem to suggest that the different Abrahamic faiths actually believe they are worshiping different gods.

      As a matter of interest, a former colleague who belongs to one of the Evangelical churches said that Allah is not the same as the Christian god.

      These are the kinds of issues which put me off Abrahamic religions.

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      • 11. Grand Marquis  |  January 26, 2012 at 4:25 pm

        Dear Charles,

        It is no doubt that Christianity is one of the Abrahamic religion. However, that does not mean the name Allah is used in the Christian scripture. Today, probably not many people know the name of God in bible. It has become an ongoing debate among the Christians society. This is due to the fact that today bibles are mainly translated from its original language the name of God is removed or replaced with the translated equivalent meaning for God.

        So when I use Abrahamic religion, I mean a broader senses. I mean any Abrahamic religion will worship the same God, which in Islam is named Allah. However that does not mean Christianity or Judaism also use the name Allah. In Islam, we believe that Allah has many names. What revealed are 99 names, among others are Ar-Rahman, Ar-Rahim and many more.

        So we Muslim have no problem of people using different names to refer to same God. But it is utterly error to use same name to refer to 2 different Gods. The point of argument is that the God of Christian is not the same with the God in Islam. A simple analogy. One person says Helen has no son, and another person says that Helen has a son. So can we say that these two Helen is the same Helen? Obviously no. And note that Helen is a name (nama khas), just as Allah. There are probably more than one Helen in this world, but there is only one Allah in the whole universe. So one name cannot refer to two different God.

        Nevertheless, if the Christians are willing to agree with the fact that the Allah they are referring to has the similar characteristics with the Allah that Muslims believe in, then we would have no problem for them to use the name Allah.

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      • 12. Charles F Moreira  |  January 26, 2012 at 5:33 pm

        Dear Grandmarquis,

        Firstly, thanks for the link on Jesus in Islam, it made a lot of sense and referred to the various scriptures of early Christianity as well, which are a more interesting reading than the differences between the Protestants and Roman Catholics over the authority of the Vatican and the Pope.

        Based upon your reply to me below, the issue really boils down to the Christian God having a son and the Muslim God not having a son, and the conclusion that these two gods are thus not one and the same.

        Perhaps it would make it less contentious if some Christians agreed to use one of the other 98 names for God.

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    • 14. Helen Ang  |  January 26, 2012 at 8:05 am

      http://english.cpiasia.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2024:how-the-govt-victimises-vernacular-schools-&catid=219:contributors&Itemid=171

      QUOTE: “It looks like the government’s game plan is to have Chinese primary schools implode from overcrowding.”

      “Under the 9th Plan, primary schools as a whole were allocated a budget of RM4.83 billion for development. Enrolment in Chinese primary schools was 20.96% of the total number of primary school pupils. Going by fair proportionality, Chinese-medium schools should have gotten one-fifth of the funding, or roughly RM1 billion-plus out of the RM4.83 billion.”

      “Instead the Chinese primary schools only received a meagre RM170 million.”

      “It is quite discernible that the government is applying a containment policy on Chinese-medium schools. In 1970, there were 1,346 Chinese primary schools.”

      1970: 1,346 SRJk (C)

      1990: 1,290 SRJk (C)

      2000: 1,287 SRJk (C)

      2004: 1,287 SRJk (C)

      “As the stagnant numbers indicate, it’s near impossible for a new Chinese school to be established …” UNQUOTE: Article by Dr Boo Cheng Hau (DAP Johor chief)

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  • 15. Iqraq  |  January 26, 2012 at 8:41 am

    Dear Helen and friends,

    Our intention or ‘nawaitu’ is paramount in anything we do. Allah knows what is deep in our hearts, what our every intention is. No Malaysian Muslim believes for even a second that the intention of using ‘Allah’ in the Malay bible was not to deceive. Whether Muslims are stupid enough to fall for it or whether Malay Christians should be ‘allowed’ to use it, or if it was politically motivated etc etc are secondary. Seeing how the church dug it’s heels in and brought it to court even though it made so many people angry illustrated what their intentions were.

    Compounded by what was found in DUMC (singing songs called Alhamdulillah and Allahuakbar). I’ve said it before, they’re not fooling anyone. My dear Christian and Muslim friends, if you want to spread Christianity or Islam, tell us the what the MESSAGE is. Please do not use deceptive language or disguise intentions with charity. It’s not cool. Helen and others with an academic bent, here’s something you may be interested in reading, it’s not perfect but as an introduction serves its purpose well. Peace. http://muslimmatters.org/2012/01/11/finding-the-jesus-of-islam-in-early-christianities/
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    Thanks Iqraq. I would give the benefit of the doubt to the pribumi Christians of Sabah & S’wak but I see that the peninsula pollies & certain church leaders are politicizing & capitalizing on the issue. — Helen

    Here’s sharing one of my fav songs — YouTube [Nawaitu/Rabbani]

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  • 16. ma$$  |  January 27, 2012 at 12:23 am

    Where is the integrity in Christianity when they have to use other people’s religion for their God’s name. If its Malay bible, then God is Allah, Chinese Bible God is Buddha and Tamil Bible God is Vishnu? Who is their one and only God? Is it Jesus, God or Allah? Or is it doesn’t matter to them?

    In Islam, there is only 1 God and that is Allah, the ONE AND ONLY GOD. No matter in any language you translate the Quran, Allah is Allah. As for 99 names of Allah, it refers to His attributes. For eg. Ar-Rahman means The Compassionate. Ar-Rahim means The Merciful. Al-Ghaffar, The Great Forgiver. Al-Kabeer, the Most Great, Al-Muhaimin, The Protector.

    So if you are dying of cancer, you say: Ya Allah, Ya Rahim, Ya Rahman please cure me of this disease.
    If you are scared someone is gonna kill you, you say: Ya Kabeer, Ya Muhaimin, please protect me from this harm.

    Is Christian’s God the same as Shakespeare’s rose: “the rose by any other name is just as sweet”. For us Muslim,

    He is Allah, the One and Only!
    Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
    He begetteth not nor is He begotten.
    And there is none like unto Him.
    Surah Al-Ikhlas.

    Allah is not Jesus.

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    • 17. Catty  |  January 27, 2012 at 12:33 pm

      That’s why when this issue cropped up, I.e. the use of Allah in Malay bible, it proves what a confused lot the Christians are. Why would you want to use a name that is associated with another religion if you are confident that yours is the truth? But what do you expect from a group of people who can pick and choose what verses in the bible that is still valid to follow and reject those that are deem archaic. If you are a believer, you accept ALL that are written…so, my two-cents is, the Christians themselves are a confused lot! That is what happens when you modify what God has sent down to suit what you want….
      And please don’t give me crap about Allah being the translation of God in Malay. That is false. God is Tuhan in BM, Allah is God’s name as stated in the Quran, Ilah is God in Arabic. So, who is deceiving who? Only a people that is insecure in their beliefs would resort to deception in order to hold on to that belief…

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