Lagi-lagi pemerintah dituduh oleh Kristian sebagai “evil”

June 17, 2012 at 12:04 am 38 comments

Yang dimaksudkan pembaca The Malaysian Insider (TMI) apabila merujuk kepada “those religious bigots from a certain party” itu orang Umno kah?

Mereka juga didakwa sebagai “hypocrites who use the religion to go on ego trips and get favours” – scroll bawah untuk melihat screenshot.

Rata-rata para pembaca TMI adalah pro-pembangkang dan ramai pula yang Kristian. [kemaskini: ramai daripada mereka yang tinggalkan komen membayangkan diri mereka Kristian -- 12.35am, Jun 18]

Justeru itu, kelompok pelampau agama dari sebuah parti yang tidak disebut namanya (yang dituduh dalam komen TMI itu sebagai “bersikap hipokit serta memperdagangkan agama untuk menggosok ego”) mestilah bukan kelompok pelampau agama DAP.

Jadi mereka puak pelampau Islam di Umno lah, kot.

Di bawah ialah screenshot carian enjin dalaman di tiga portal berita atas perkataan ‘Damansara Utama Methodist Church’.

Hasil carian ialah FMT ialah 60 keputusan, Malaysiakini (178) dan TMI (206).

Rencana-rencana TMI menyebut DUMC lebih kerap (sebanyak lebih tiga kali ganda) berbanding FMT.

Pemantauan kandungan TMI mendedahkan bahawa portal tersebut banyak memberi tumpuan kepada isu-isu Kristian: Kalimah ‘Allah’, kes saman al-Kitab bahasa Indonesia/Melayu, kemelut akhbar Katolik The Herald, prestasi sekolah mubaligh, pelantikan pengetua Convent Bukit Nanas, pertubuhan National Evangelical Christian Fellowship (NECF), dan banyak lagi topik-topik berkisar agama Kristian.

Satu rencana TMI minggu lepas pada 5 Jun 2012 bertajuk ‘A message for Christians and God-fearing people‘. Perenggan pertamanya berbunyi:

“To serve God is to speak out about evil as a sickness which should be brought to light so it can be cured. To serve God is to condemn evil in all its manifestations.”

Seperti lazimnya, orang Kristian asyik dengan khutbah mereka mahu menghapuskan kedurjanaan atau ‘evil’.

Hari ini TMI menyiarkan berita ‘Catholic priest would choose jail over fine if found guilty of illegal assembly‘ oleh Debra Chong, timbalan pengarangnya.

Perhatikan juga iklan tentang Kristus Yesus diletakkan bersebelahan dengan tajuk berita.

Rencana TMI tersebut menceritakan tentang Reverend Father Paulino Miranda menghadapi tindakan mahkamah kerana mengambil bahagian dalam protes ‘candlelight vigil’ pada Oktober 2008 di Petaling Jaya.

Di antara komen-komen pembaca pada rencana tersebut ialah (screenshot atas): “For we wrestle not against flesh & blood but against spiritual wickedness in high places” … lagi-lagi Kristian begitu menekankan ciri “wickedness” di kalangan pemimpin tertinggi –dikatakan evil itu adalah orang serta budaya lain dan bukannya pemimpin mereka sendiri.

Lain-lain komen pembaca TMI termasuk yang berikut (screenshot bawah):

“The seed of the church is built on the blood of the martyrs”, “Rev Father Paulino Miranda is a true man of God. Let us see if this dumb govt will meddle with Him” dan “Unlike those religious bigots from a certain party who will bow to anything that the powers that be throw at them. Those are the hypocrites who use the religion to go on ego trips and get favours”.

Seterusnya, komen-komen lain anti-BN sudah boleh dijangka:

“Umno is making the rakyat to hate them”, “BN is only hastening their demise”, “Dear Rev, you can be assured that you have the full support of the Rakyat against the tyranny of this BN regime”, “don’t expect anything good from an oppressive regime”, dsb.

Namun, satu komen yang agak menarik dari ‘senyumyang’ berbentuk soalan, “This issue is akin to a land mine waiting to explode. But on whose legs?”

Pembaca TMI tersebut menjangka isu ini akan meletup. Akan tetapi siapa yang akan terkena bedilan nanti?

Para penyokong pembangkang menjangka yang pasti tercedera itu adalah parti pemerintah. Betulkah?

Rencana TMI di atas juga dipautkan oleh Malaysia Today.

Tidak payah saya screenshot komen-komen pembacanya yang dua kali lima, kecuali satu kerana nama saya ada disebut olehnya. Beliau menulis: “Maybe Helen Ang could shed some light about the indifference of Indian Christians and Hindus”.

Memandangkan permintaan diajukan dengan elok, boleh juga saya memberi satu ulasan pendek.

Beginilah. Pada hemat saya, mungkin penganut agama Buddha dan Hindu berpendapat bahawa pertembungan tamadun yang sedang berlaku hanyalah lanjutan daripada perang salib / perang jihad alaf dahulu.

Orang Malaysia yang berketurunan Cina dan India [yang beragama Buddha dan Hindu] tidak berminat untuk mengebas ‘Allah’ ataupun merebut-rebut ahi golongan murtad Islam.

Yang bertelingkah dengan Muslim dalam isu-isu yang dibawa TMI dan yang banyak menulis di TMI ialah orang Kristian.

Papa dan Mama DAPster tidak pun mengucap selamat Hari Wesak kepada penganut agama Buddha di blog mereka. Malah pada tahun yang sebelumnya, orang Gerakan membuat laporan polis terhadap Kim Guan Eng atas dakwaan menghasut dalam perutusan rasmi ketua menteri itu pada Hari Wesak 2011.

Seterusnya, media bahasa Inggeris dikuasai kelompok Kristian walaupun mereka minoriti. Cuba teliti hasil carian Google di laman Star Online menjangkau tempoh satu tahun lepas.

Keputusan di http://thestar.com.my untuk perkataan:

  • hari raya puasa — 21
  • aidilfitri — 207
  • ramadan — 451
  • wesak — 132
  • deepavali — 353
  • thaipusam — 194
  • christmas — 1,100

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  • 1. Dave  |  June 17, 2012 at 2:47 am

    hm, here is my google result using yr same conditions

    hari raya puasa — 309
    hari raya – 11600
    aidilfitri — 2200
    ramadan — 6180
    wesak — 794
    deepavali — 3350
    thaipusam — 1160
    christmas — 11200 (note, this include world news on christmas not relate to msia eg. “Leading players shine as NBA makes Christmas return”, christmas island, etc.)

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    • 2. Helen Ang  |  June 18, 2012 at 12:13 am

      Hullo Dyslexic Dave,

      Ko ni reti nak baca tak? Ataupun ko tak paham bahasa kebangsaan?

      How can you claim that you’re using “my same conditions”?

      My conditions included “menjangkau tempoh satu tahun lepas”. In English and using Google parameters, see below, move cursor to “past year”, then click mouse. Get it?

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      Your result for hari raya puasa 309 is for “anytime”. You failed to specify “past year”.

      Your result for hari raya (11,600) is not even bracketed. There is a big difference, you know. Take for instance, happy new year (not within inverted commas) yields 31,800 results but “happy new year” (within inverted commas) gives only 489 results.

      The rest of your results are also for “anytime”, meaning “all time” (no limit).

      Look at screenshots of Google search results specifying “past year”. Like I said in my posting: Wesak 132, Thaipusam 194. The screenshots tally with my cited figures, okay?!

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      Now look up back to the page on the posting proper again. See the ‘aidilfitri’ and ‘christmas’ screenshots that I put up yesterday. Even though I only circled the Results in red, still the “past year” can be seen, and it’s even in bold. Original Google font, okay (not that I put it in bold).

      So since the “past year” was clearly in the screenshot originally comparing aidilfitri and christmas, why do you yet claim that your results are using “my same conditions”?

      You’ve NOT replicated the parameters I set. You clearly have a problem with your eyesight and your reading ability.

      This is not the first time. Earlier with the “chua soi lek” Google results, you made a false representation as well.

      My 10 screenshots showed that CSL only turned up the Star result on Page 10.

      But you claimed they were on pages 8,9,10.

      Can you be more scrupulous about these kind of details next time, please before you comment “hmm”?

      And I know that the results on ‘Christmas’ turns up a wider range – as you’ve also pointed out – because they would include terms like “Christmas sale” (rarely do we hear of Wesak sale), “Christmas carols” (there would not be articles about Thaipusam songs), “Christmas turkey”, etc.

      The point is this: Christmas is commercialised. The Star‘s many diverse articles on this festival are also cashing in and selling, e.g. “Christmas movies”, “Christmas dinner” (buffet at hotel) and other stuff, a trend which does not occur with Wesak or Thaipusam.

      So the profit motive remains. The Star commodifies and amplifies Christmas b’cos it gets ad money from the retailers and other related promotions.

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      • 3. Dave  |  June 18, 2012 at 8:18 pm

        actually, my search for the word “hari raya” was done within the quote’s “”, not without, as you claim.

        and the over 11000 results show star mostly writes ‘hari raya puasa/adilfitri’ as ‘hari raya’. example:

        “MAS offers extra flights for Hari Raya and Merdeka holidays”
        “Festive air as nation celebrates Hari Raya and National Day”
        “Hari Raya open houses”
        “20 food items under price control during Hari Raya festive season ”

        of course, with helen leaving out ‘hari raya’ from her search (whether this is delibirate or accidental, u decide) this skews the results. giving impression the star grossly publicises christmas over hari raya puasa.

        think before you shoot off and accuse people of ‘dyslexic’, tak faham bahasa melayu, tak tau baca, etc.

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        • 4. Helen Ang  |  June 18, 2012 at 9:04 pm

          Hullo Diabolical Dave,

          Look up at the page again.

          I had put “hari raya puasa” as a variant of aidilfitri, not being sure which term The Star preferred.

          Hari raya was never left out as you allege. See screenshot of Google cache of my page. The Google time-stamp is 17 Jun 2012 19:10:41 GMT.

          My posting was uploaded Jun 17, 2012 at 12:04 am.

          You’re bringing up this issue at 2012/06/18 at 8:18 pm, where you said:

          “of course, with helen leaving out ‘hari raya’ from her search (whether this is delibirate or accidental, u decide) this skews the results. giving impression the star grossly publicises christmas over hari raya puasa.”

          So I’m showing everyone the Google cache of 17 Jun (7.10pm) to prove that this page has not been tampered with – just in case you accuse me of having only just added ‘hari raya puasa’ – since the trait of DAPsters like Godfather is to simply throw the most outrageous accusations.

          Hari raya puasa is there and has always been there on the list of search terms. You really ARE dyslexic, Dave.

          The term ‘hari raya’ is not. This is because it can be “raya tahun baru cina or hari raya deepavali or the search results would conflate hari raya aidilfitri with hari raya aidil adha with hari raya korban, which is why you got your off-field 11,600 results (compared with your aidilfitri — 2,200).

          I repeat my point that happy new year (not within inverted commas) yields 31,800 results but “happy new year” (within inverted commas) gives only 489 results.

          However, I concede that your hari raya search was bracketed – Explanation: It turned up almost the same numbers whether bracketed or not in The Star because the paper is English language and the search term is Malay.

          In principle, it wouldn’t if the language was one. In a Malay paper, Google on utusan.com.my turns up 47,000 for hari raya (unbracketed) and 19,100 (bracketed). Big difference.

          Whereas a paired word not in English, Googled in The Star, turns up bak kut teh 390 results unbracketed and ‘bak kut teh’ bracketed 403. Small difference. This explains why searching hari raya in Star whether bracketed or not, gives us almost the same results.

          The search term I’d put which was “hari raya puasa” yielding 21 results is fair and accurate. The term “hari raya” as you’re suggesting I deliberately left out is too wide and unfair.

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      • 5. Dave  |  June 18, 2012 at 10:21 pm

        quote helen: “I had put “hari raya puasa” as a variant of aidilfitri, not being sure which term The Star preferred.”

        from search, star mostly uses ‘hari raya’ to refer to aidilfitri/h. r. puasa as i outlined in examples above. by you using ‘hari raya puasa’, you actually restrict the number of google result from star website. any person with basic google skills will tell you that.

        fyi: ‘hari raya’ = >11000 result frm star website
        ‘hari raya puasa’ = 308

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        quote helen: “So I’m showing everyone the Google cache of 17 Jun (7.10pm) to prove that this page has not been tampered with – just in case you accuse me of having only just added ‘hari raya puasa’ – since the trait of DAPsters like Godfather is to simply throw the most outrageous accusations.

        Hari raya puasa is there and has always been there on the list of search terms. You really ARE dyslexic, Dave.”

        ahem, read my previous reply properly. i am saying you failed to include the search term ‘hari raya’, NOT ‘hari raya puasa’

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        quote helen: “The term ‘hari raya’ is not. This is because it can be “raya tahun baru cina or hari raya deepavali or the search results would conflate hari raya aidilfitri with hari raya aidil adha with hari raya korban, which is why you got your off-field 11,600 results (compared with your aidilfitri — 2,200).”

        do they use ‘raya tahun baru cina’ or ‘hari raya deepavali’ to refer cny n deepavali? remember our google search terms are limited to results from star webpage, not the bahasa malay papers.

        hr. korban/h.r. aidiladha, both total less than 1000. so the correct results will still be above 10500

        but then again, the term ‘christmas’ was also off-field wt reports not directly concerning christmas (sports news, chrismas island etc.)

        regarding english media controled by christian, what about nst and the sun?

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        • 6. Helen Ang  |  June 18, 2012 at 10:56 pm

          Hullo Dave Degil,

          Why do you have a problem with my including “hari raya puasa’ in the festival list as a search term? You admit: B’cos it “restricts the number of google result from star website”. So kiasu!

          You want to frame and tweak even the ‘questionaire’ to reflect and project the image that you desire for The Star.

          Immediately following hari raya puasa — 21, I had aidilfitri — 207 and ramadan — 451. Both these much larger numbers indicate more accurately Star‘s treatment of the Muslim occasion, and anybody can see that in this case, hari raya puasa is an outlier.

          The popularity of terms evolve. When I was in school, we studied Ilmu Hisab and Ilmu Alam. Today it is Matematik and Geografi. When I was a child, it was more commonly called raya puasa.

          I do not see any harm in having hari raya puasa and aidilfitri both listed as two comparative terms b’cos readers can easily see that the latter is 207 results (10 times more common than the former).

          Readers are not so stupid as to assume that b’cos hari raya puasa turns up only 21, it then infers that The Star downplays the celebration to that low level. After all, the very next entry ‘aidilfitri’ gives an accurate picture.

          The fact that you even find the inclusion of hari raya puasa to be objectionable shows your kaisu-ness.

          You also complain that I “failed to include the search term ‘hari raya’.”

          Why in the world should I want to use such a wide term as ‘hari raya’ to search?!! Even if The Star doesn’t ever say hari raya tahun baru Cina (I concur with you on this point), still you seem to forget that I think bilingually in writing this blog.

          The problem with DAPsters is their mental frame limited to within their own race/language (“my mother tongue is English”) parameters, and yet they’re the loudest in screaming ‘Racist!’ at other people.

          As I’ve said, ‘hari raya’ would conflate hari raya puasa, hari raya haji and hari raya korban in addition to hari raya aidilfitri and hari raya aidil adha.

          You must be a Penangite. It shows in your kiasu-ness.

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      • 7. Dave  |  June 18, 2012 at 11:39 pm

        quote helen:Why do you have a problem with my including “hari raya puasa’ in the festival list as a search term? You admit: B’cos it “restricts the number of google result from star website”. So kiasu!

        You want to frame and tweak even the ‘questionaire’ to reflect and project the image that you desire for The Star.

        you are not being objective here. you omit the term ‘hari raya’ in you article which is the term mostly used by star to refer to the festivity, compared to ‘hari raya puasa’. if u wanna be objective like you say, include all 3.

        it is u who is actually trying to tweak the search, for your agenda.

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        quote helen:Why in the world should I want to use such a wide term as ‘hari raya’ to search?!! Even if The Star doesn’t ever say hari raya tahun baru Cina (I concur with you on this point), still you seem to forget that I think bilingually in writing this blog.

        The problem with DAPsters is their mental frame limited to within their own race/language (“my mother tongue is English”) parameters, and yet they’re the loudest in screaming ‘Racist!’ at other people.

        As I’ve said, ‘hari raya’ would conflate hari raya puasa, hari raya haji and hari raya korban in addition to hari raya aidilfitri and hari raya aidil adha.

        because, like i said.. they uses ‘hari raya’ mostly to refer to h.r. puasa/aidilfitri. even if you factor out other celebration, u have over 10500 results. it shows you’re not thinking out of the box by just limiting your search terms to two, and refusing to consider the other, which happens to be the term used most by the paper. we are talking about google search for article on the star english paper, not thinking in mandarin, hokkien, malay, tamil, or esperanto.

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        quote helen:You must be a Penangite. It shows in your kiasu-ness.

        my hometown is near kl.

        : )

        next name-caling-assumption pls..

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        • 8. Helen Ang  |  June 19, 2012 at 12:18 am

          Well, your hometown may be near KL but you’re in Penang now, aren’t you?

          I provided 3 terms – hari raya puasa, aidilfitri and ramadan – to cover one Muslim religious occasion, which is more than adequate/across the board to give a fair gauge.

          As to your asking me to search ‘hari raya’, dan lepas tu tolak ‘aidil adha’, tolak ‘korban’, tolak ‘(raya) haji’, buat ape lah nak rumitkan kerja ni?

          As it is, even with straightforward searches, you can miss out the “past year” parameter, you can miss out that I included “hari raya puasa”.

          If I had a complex search like ‘hari raya’ minus this and that / factor in-factor out, how many more words would I require to further explain the criteria of inclusion and exclusion to a dyslexic like you?

          Memandangkan kamu masih lagi mahu menegakkan benang basah inclines me to hold to my original appraisal of your kiasu-ness.

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      • 9. Dave  |  June 19, 2012 at 12:56 am

        quote helen: “Well, your hometown may be near KL but you’re in Penang now, aren’t you?

        i grew up near kl. im working in penang for few years. frequently travel back for work/visit family.

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        quote helen: As to your asking me to search ‘hari raya’, dan lepas tu tolak ‘aidil adha’, tolak ‘korban’, tolak ‘(raya) haji’, buat ape lah nak rumitkan kerja ni?

        why, whats wrong with some checking to make sure your fact is solid? if you can google cache, comb over replys, printscreen here n there like just now, you can easily do simple search + eliminate, rite?

        : )

        you use to work for star right? im sure you learned some basics in journalist searching thru database engine.

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        quote helen: “If I had a complex search like ‘hari raya’ minus this and that / factor in-factor out, how many more words would I require to further explain the criteria of inclusion and exclusion to a dyslexic like you?

        Memandangkan kamu masih lagi mahu menegakkan benang basah inclines me to hold to my original appraisal of your kiasu-ness.”

        but you didnt do the complex search on the word ‘christmas’ to filter unrelated items, rite? esp since the results will be mixed with unrelated subjects a bigger percent

        it seems like you are the kiasu one, keep trying to push some strange agenda with flimsy evidence, aside from other things.

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        • 10. Helen Ang  |  June 19, 2012 at 1:25 am

          Hullo,

          You’re the one attempting to coerce me into listing ‘hari raya’ and spinning a conspiracy theory as to why I didn’t.

          And what has my view that ‘hari raya’ the word itself is too wide-ranging got anything to do with your accusation “why, whats wrong with some checking to make sure your fact is solid?”

          Re: “if you can google cache, comb over replys, printscreen here n there like just now, you can easily do simple search + eliminate, rite?”

          The only reason I’ve had to do all the above is b’cos of your Godfather-ish tendencies, i.e. that guy who falsely accused me of distorting the LGE-HY FatCat photos sideways so that I had to furnish proof to counter his DAPsterism.

          I don’t have to display Google caches, time-stamps, red circle screenshots and all the rest of the authentication stuff when responding to other readers. So is it me, or is it you?

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      • 11. Dave  |  June 20, 2012 at 12:03 am

        quote helen: “The only reason I’ve had to do all the above is b’cos of your Godfather-ish tendencies, i.e. that guy who falsely accused me of distorting the LGE-HY FatCat photos sideways so that I had to furnish proof to counter his DAPsterism.

        I don’t have to display Google caches, time-stamps, red circle screenshots and all the rest of the authentication stuff when responding to other readers. So is it me, or is it you?”

        actually you did all that caching n screencaps to show you include searchterm ‘hari raya puasa’, when i actually said you did not include ‘hari raya’. read carefuly my previous reply. way to go through all that for nothing.

        now who has the problem reading, eh? : )

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        quote helen: “You’re the one attempting to coerce me into listing ‘hari raya’ and spinning a conspiracy theory as to why I didn’t.

        And what has my view that ‘hari raya’ the word itself is too wide-ranging got anything to do with your accusation “why, whats wrong with some checking to make sure your fact is solid?”

        because by not including (and refusing to accept) phrase most commonly used by the star to refer to the festival, your search results n subsequent proof to push your agenda is flawed. you dont need to be seo consultant to know this

        so anyho, if u can do all that screencap n stuff, no problem to do basic search refining also. bukan rumit sangat, even an undergrad intern can do it.
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        So according to Dear Dave (after taking us through his 10,000-word rigmarole), hari raya is the most correct search term to use. Happy? :D :D :D — Helen

        Postscript: Since Dave put in further comment, my updated reply is HERE.

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    • 12. Joe  |  June 18, 2012 at 12:18 am

      Dave tarak tau baca itu Google… LOL!

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      • 13. Helen Ang  |  June 18, 2012 at 12:27 am

        Aside from Dave’s unbracketed hari raya, the rest of the results he cited (using search parameter ‘anytime’) nonetheless still parallel the same ratio or proportion as my initial search results on ‘past year’.

        Both our searches turn up Wesak least in The Star despite it being ostensibly the MCA paper.

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      • 14. OverseasBumi  |  June 18, 2012 at 1:44 am

        Remember, Dave thinks he is superior. It’s this superiority complex that defines the opposition supporters, and blinds them from accepting facts.

        Watch Kayveas tell his story about an opposition supporter: [YouTube]

        Although Kayveas is a politician, and I always take the accounts of politicians with a grain of salt, I don’t discount this particular story. I think it is entirely plausible. I would vote for someone like Kayveas over LGE .

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      • 15. melo  |  June 18, 2012 at 3:04 pm

        ok Dave..
        silalah bunuh diri sekarang… argh.. malunya kalau aku jadi kau Dave.. like.. seriously… malunyaaaaaaaa

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    • 16. Dave  |  June 20, 2012 at 12:23 am

      anyway to help cut short the debate, here is how its done

      google term
      “hari raya” site:thestar.com.my = 11600 result

      “hari raya korban” site:thestar.com.my = 20
      “hari raya aidiladha” site:thestar.com.my = 850
      “hari raya haji” site:thestar.com.my = 300

      11600 – (20+850+300) = 10430

      simple result number elimination method

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      • 17. Helen Ang  |  June 20, 2012 at 2:04 am

        Dear Diabolical Dave,

        The more you comment, the more my observation of your Godfather-ish tendencies is reinforced. Would you mind taking us through how you “did it” b’cos it seems to me YOU CHEATED.

        First, let’s eliminate the parameters you didn’t use to get your 11,600 results.

        See 3 screenshots below (or double click to view).

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        1(a) shows hari raya (unbracketed) past year — 871 results
        1(b) shows “hari raya” (bracketed) past year — 850 results
        1(c) shows “hari raya” (bracketed) anytime — 2,760 results

        Therefore, your 11,600 results couldn’t have come from any of the combo parameters 1(a)-(c).

        Your 11,600 results is closest to 1(d), which is hari raya (unbracketed) anytime. See screenshot below — 10,500 results.

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        If you had used Set 1(d) parameters, then the elimination of (x) hari raya korban, (Y) hari raya aidiladha and (Z) hari raya haji, should also adhere to the same settings, i.e. unbracketed and anytime.

        The Google search (unbracketed/anytime) turns up as below:

        2(a) 505 results and not 20 as you claim
        3(a) 1,720 results and not 850 as you claim
        4(a) 1,810 results and not 300 as you claim

        Therefore using Set (a) the unbracketed setting, it would be 10,500 – (505 + 1,720 + 1,810) = 6,465.

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        The figures that come close to the ones you cited are for the setting bracketed and anytime. Considering that we both Googled possibly a few days apart, the slight variances are acceptable.

        The Google search (bracketed/anytime) turns up as below:

        2(b) 18 results, which is close to the 20 you cited
        3(b) 852 results, which is close to the 850 you cited
        4(b) 301 results, which is close to the 300 you cited

        Using Set (b) the bracketed setting, it would be 2,760 – (18 + 852 + 301) = 1,589. For the 2,760 figure, please refer screenshot 1(c) above.

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        You have to do it honestly (count) either a basket of apples or a basket of oranges.

        What you have done is take the biggest number (unbracketed) and deducted with the smallest numbers (bracketed) to obtain the outcome most favorable to you. This method of crossing is mixing the apples and the oranges together. It’s also cheating.

        That’s how you got your inflated number of 10,430 when the results should be (allowing some +- leeway) either 6,465 on (unbracketed/anytime) search or 1,589 on (bracketed/anytime) search.

        As it is, by your using the parameter “anytime” (meaning all time), you’re already taking advantage of a wide search compared with the narrower parameter “past year”.

        You really should apply for a job with Merap — the outfit that came up with the 3.3 million phantom voters claim.

        Your method of calculation would suit their requirements.

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      • 18. Dave  |  June 20, 2012 at 5:06 am

        ahem, the >11000 result was from using the search term “hari raya” site:thestar.com.my

        including the brackets (“”) between those 2 words. the parameters were copypaste frm google search bar. i already commented Jun 18, 2012 at 8:18 pm that i use the brackets.

        and even you admit in subsequent reply:
        quote helen: However, I concede that your hari raya search was bracketed – Explanation: It turned up almost the same numbers whether bracketed or not in The Star because the paper is English language and the search term is Malay.

        now all of a sudden you claim again i didnt use the brackets n accuse me of cheating. when it is you who is always changing statement thinking people have forgot.
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        I apologize. — Helen

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      • 19. Joe  |  June 20, 2012 at 2:13 pm

        Dave still trying to cover line just to save his own face. Even Singaporeans will call him kiasu…

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      • 20. Dave  |  June 21, 2012 at 1:29 am

        ok no problem, helen. accepted.

        p.s. joe, you ni memang slow la…

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  • 21. Cucu Tulang Padang  |  June 17, 2012 at 3:14 am

    saya sebelumnya sering membaca TMI namun kebelakangan ini sudah kurang melayarinya kerana terasa artikel2 TMI kini seolah2 lebih cenderung kepada dakyah kristian. Bukanlah saya anti kristian tetapi tulisan2 yang berat sebelah semakin memualkan saya. T;kasih atas kupasan bernas sdri yang mengesahkan prasangka saya terhadap TMI.

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  • 22. Joe  |  June 17, 2012 at 3:34 am

    Bunch of middle-class lalas trying to turn Malaysia into Singapore. Doesn’t seem to occur to these evangelists that it may make better sense to just migrate to their vision of Zion.

    Or perhaps they have tried it, and had their applications rejected… :P

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  • 23. fatcat  |  June 17, 2012 at 3:41 am

    Helen, just to clarify a point. Not ALL Christians are like that. True Christians don’t go about doing things like that. I would say the “Christians” in DAP do not represent the whole community of Christ in Malaysia. They may claim to represent the majority, if not all, just like they claim to represent ALL Chinese, but this is just their way of syiok-syiok sendiri. Tetapi apa yang mereka tidak sedar, atau enggan terima, ialah trend seperti ini amat bahaya dan mungkin mencetus akibat buruk dalam hal perkauman atau keagamaan.

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  • 24. Ahmad Ibrahim  |  June 17, 2012 at 9:34 am

    Speaking of righteousness, wickedness, bigotry. Now who is wicked, who is a bigot ? Now let me tell you who is wicked, who is a bigot.

    Christian countries bombing Iraq into the stone age (1991, 2003), invading and occupying Afghanistan (1979-1989 by the Russians, 2001-now by the Americans and their lapdogs, and before that the British during the colonial era), American bombing of a Sudan pharmaceutical plant during the Clinton administration (saying the plant is producing chemical weapons), Serbs killing Muslims in Bosnia and Kosovo, so who is wicked, who is bigoted ? The answer is obvious isn’t it ?

    And here we are, a bunch of bigoted Christians, calling the other side evil, wicked etc and making statements like “the rakyat is with us”. Err……….hold on, the “rakyat is with us” you mean the Christians ? Now, before you say the “rakyat is with us”, better make it clear what you mean “rakyat”. For sure, not everyone in Malaysia is Christian and is bigoted as you.

    “The seed of the Church is built on the blood of the martyrs” yesssssssssss of course ! Just look at 500 years of Christian Imperialism. .

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  • 25. Malaysia Baru  |  June 17, 2012 at 9:42 am

    1Christians Malaysia
    Keeping Christians of all denomination in Malaysia informed of events happening in the country affecting the Christian faith and other political issues. Encouraging Christians to get more involved in politics so His will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

    http://1christians.blogspot.com/

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  • 26. forrestcat  |  June 17, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    Like they say, darkness make the light radiant, lights makes darkness sublime……the dapsters are just making themselves radiant by saying how sublime the other side is….unfortunately the radiance make the dapsters blind..

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  • 27. nk  |  June 17, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    “The seed of the church is built on the blood of the martyrs”, “Rev Father Paulino Miranda is a true man of God. ”
    Baru tengok cerita “angels and demons”. aku rasa
    the seed of the church is built on the thirst for blood and power hunger priest daripada yg tersebut above.

    org krisitan kalau nak berdebat tu berpada pada la. teringat cerita spanish inquisition dan cerita sebegitu. Umno ada salah dan betul nya. tapi tak de la sampai spanish inquisition.

    Nak buat camne, dlm christian pun ada politik sama macam PAS.

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  • 28. Matt Kamal  |  June 17, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    My 2 sen comment:
    It is common for Christendom to attack Islam. Allah told us so 1433 years ago. This will not stop till the end of the world. It lead to war n colonisation by the white man. Some says its the white man’s burden to correct/enlightened/proselytize the rest of the world.

    And there are plenty of white man wannabes here. By having a western name they thought they’re now belong to the wise/righteous etc and start preaching others, What a joke.

    It is amazing that Islam/Christianity/Judaism are all Semitic religion and comes from Middle East. And yet the adherents been fighting each other for ages. Arab and Jews shares the same ancestry thru Abraham/Moses etc. And Jesus is a Jew but the Jews don’t accept him!!!!.

    If you study those 3 religion closely, you’ll find that Islam is closer to Judaism than Christianity.

    All Muslim recognise Jesus as a Prophets. The main difference is Jesus is just a man, not son of god. Islam rejects this concept of trinity. If God have a son, then he should also have father/mother/grandpa/uncles/cousins etc.

    The concept of trinity is flawed and preposterous. However there’re Christian sect that reject this concept.
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    “grandpa/uncles/cousins” … cute. — Helen

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    • 29. Dave  |  June 18, 2012 at 8:30 pm

      isn’t kamal also western name from the middle east? just like rahman, abdullah, hassan, etc.

      kalau tinggal di rumah kaca, jangan baling batu

      all 3 religions came from the same origin, but they are infighting because of little differences. even in each religion there is history of violent conflict between different group with different ideas.

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      • 30. Joe  |  June 18, 2012 at 9:33 pm

        Dave should try his hand at googling again… LOL!

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        • 31. Helen Ang  |  June 18, 2012 at 9:35 pm

          He should go see an optometrist first.

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  • 32. zueyusof  |  June 18, 2012 at 1:06 am

    Hahaha Dave, nak spin pun agak2 la. Sis Helen bukan borak tong kosong macam sesetengah blog tu. ( Sis, bukan mengampu, tp memang respek dgn anda!). So,Dave, lain kali bila menaip, otak kena jalan sekali.

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  • 33. shamshul anuar  |  June 18, 2012 at 11:30 am

    Helen,

    Fanatical christians including those in DAP attacking islam for a reason. As the Federal Govt is dominated by Muslims, attacking Islam is equivalent to attacking UMNO itself.

    The truth is that the rule of UMNO (meaning Muslim rule) is inperfect. Anyway, who in this world is perfect. But I vouch that UMNO as a ruling political party is a model of generosity and inspiration.

    It allows freedom of religious expression to the point that it affects Muslim life. where in the world you could find non Islam religious celebration accorded official status.

    Churches that uses political flavour is a mere extension of DAP the way mosques abused are lifeline of PAS. Religion is a potent power. In a wrong hand, it can result in crusade.

    It is also true that not all chinese are comfortable with DAP. But by keeping silent, actually they are giving tacit approval.

    Sooner or later Malay and chinese will be at each other throat because of venomous DAP attack. What the Chinese may not realise is that they will be the target as they allow DAP to hide behind so call Chinese interest or Christian interest. If they do not want Malays to fight them, please do not allow DAP to hijack their interest.

    Meaning tell DAP bluntly racial insinuation on Malays must stop. And what better way to tell them other than ballot box,

    Some Chinese dreams that they can outwit Malays through DAP. This is dangerous game. This is not about outwitting Malay or vice versa. This is about recognising reality that no way anyone can ignore the largest etnic group in this country.
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    Re what you say: “If they [Chinese] do not want Malays to fight them, please do not allow DAP to hijack their interest,” this message must be conveyed by Umno to MCA regarding Si Gunting dalam Lipatan. — Helen

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  • 34. KETTLE  |  June 18, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    in any religion, ‘evil’ is not just about misappropriation or mismanagement alone.

    ‘evil’ is about anything bad that any human being do in his life

    can someone claims that he had not done and will never do bad things in life

    the answer is very clear, even spreading lies is considered devilish work

    meaning, those who used to brand others as the devils, is equivalent to ‘the pot calling the cattle black’.

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  • 35. NadZree  |  June 18, 2012 at 6:04 pm

    Penat nak cakap la pasal MCA nie….tak berani confronts all issue head on…..LUPAKAN MEREKA!!

    UMNO!!!…do it on your own go for the MELAYU/INDIAN dan SABAH/SARAWAK voters ….do what it takes to WIN!! time to change strategy and MOVE ON!!!…F%#K EM!!….deal with them when you win the election. We are MELAYUs are reasonable people and will always be but for now…

    I think Najib ve done his best but…..

    Helen, as I ve commented before those ‘dead prick’ will be involve in the coming election as they had done during the Sarawak election….believe me so for me F EM too…

    THAT ANGER & FRUSTRATION….

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    • 36. shamshul anuar  |  June 18, 2012 at 11:01 pm

      Nadzree,

      UMNO mesti sedar bahawa zaman orang melayu memilih MCA hanya kerana MCA dalam BN juga sedang berakhir. Ini kerana orang melayu berpendapat mengapa mesti bukan Melayu mewakili Melayu dikawasan melayu .

      Inilah yang terbaik. Barulah MCA sedar bahawa untuk kekal relevan, ia mesti berhadapan dengan DAP.

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  • 37. NadZree  |  June 19, 2012 at 7:45 am

    Saudara Shamsul,

    Pernah terlintas atau tidak hati Saudara persoalan ini.
    Ada ‘Gunting Dalam Lipatan’ didalam BN ??..

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  • 38. shamshul anuar  |  June 19, 2012 at 10:31 am

    Nadzree,

    Saya dah lama sedar.Yang masih tak sedar ialah pemimpin UMNO yang terus letak calon MCA dikawasan Melayu.

    Budaya Melayu yang terlalu merendah diri juga sangat tak elok. Dikawasan 70% Melayu, kita sibuk canangkan pada dunia Undi cina jadi penentu.

    Dikawasan 75% Cina, kita sibuk juga canankan orang cina jadi penentu. habis bila masa orang melayu jadi penentu.

    Pemimpin UMNO berdim diri bila difitnah. Contoh Najib difitnah oleh Guan eng sebagai “hitler”. Jika saya jadi Najib, elok saya tanya mahukah Guan Eng dilayan seperti Hitler melayan orang mengkhianatiya.

    Dikawasan Melayu dibuat kubur Cina yang terbesar di asia tenggara sampai orang melayu kalau boleh mahu bunuh” Menteri besar kedah.

    Kerana buat tak peduli, seluruh masyarakat kena padah. Ini ketika oirang melayu masih berkuasa. Taksanggup fikir apa jadi jika kuasa sudah hilang.

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