(Pictures) Debate 2.0 @ YouTube: Guan Eng in ‘high class’ action
“Lim was in his street-fighter element when running down Barisan and mocking Umno.” — Joceline Tan in The Star, on the Chua Soi Lek-Lim Guan Eng debate 2.0 yesterday.
Yes maam, he sure was.
Yet most ironically, “streetfighter” Kim kept haranguing the MCA with “Shame on you”.
This ‘shame on you’ sloganeering is the same theme carried by mrs cmlimguaneng Betty Chew in her banner hoisted at the Malacca state assembly (photo here) as well as by Kim’s understudy Hannah Yeoh just a couple of days ago in her “MCA, Malunya Chua Alahai” retweet (screenshot here).
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Debate 2.0 topic is ‘DAP & MCA: Whose policies benefit the country more?’
I’m providing url links (click below) to the debate recording uploaded by YouTube user account ‘eTVmsia’ in 14 parts.
Venue: Sunway Pyramid Convention Centre before an audience of 1,500.
I’m not touching on Dr Chua’s presentation but shall point out the worthy highlights of Kim’s high class performance (his scolding MCA “shame on you” several times during the course of the action).
If he chooses to take the moral high ground by characterizing his party’s chief rival as shameful (inferring “low class”) then it is implicit that the Papa DAPster doing the scolding must be, conversely, high class lah.
Minutes 0-1.30: Emcee’s introduction.
The rest of the clip is the moderator’s introduction.
Entire clip is the moderator’s introduction (continued).
Kim is first speaker and wishes the crowd “Salam Bersih kepada semua”.
[All transcripts lifted from yesterday's The Star. Note: The newspaper did not provide a full transcript. I cannot guarantee either that the transcription is error free -- please see footnote* below.]
“MCA is not qualified to talk about politics here, as it is not MCA who decides — it is Umno who decides.
“The MCA speaks only for the Chinese, and those from the Peninsula — not Sabah or Sarawak.
“It is different for DAP — we want to speak for all Malaysians. Malay, Chinese, Indians, Iban, Kadazan.”
The MCA president takes the floor and addresses the crowd with “Salam 1Malaysia”. Whole clip covers Dr Chua’s opening submission.
Dr Chua answers moderator’s question.
Kim answers the moderator’s question.
Note minute 1:12:
“Tetapi kita tidak boleh nafikan bahawa Umno begitu berjaya untuk memomokkan kaum Melayu bahawa DAP anti-Melayu, anti-Islam. Sungguhpun saya masuk penjara untuk keluarga Melayu, mereka cakap saya anti-Melayu.”
[Tepukan gemuruh dan 'standing ovation' diberikan oleh sekerat DAPster di kalangan hadirin dewan]
(Below: Transcript lifted verbatim from ‘The Star‘)
Question: Many people still see DAP as Chinese-based party. Are you a Chinese party or multiracial party, how would you try to win more support among other races if you are multiracial?
“From the very start we are a multiracial party. Our chairman is Indian, we have Indian MPs, have Malay MPs and state assemblymen in the past. We are fair to all regardless of race and religion. Would like the MCA president know that not every Chinese rich as the MCA leaders.
“Not every Chinese can apply for PR in Australia.
“Don’t forget that the Chinese community pays the most taxes in Malaysia.
“At the same time we want to see justice and see our Malay brothers and sisters are assisted.
“Why is it poor Chinese can’t get scholarships but rich bumiputras can?
“Don’t go and talk about DAP forming a kindergarten. We are a political party to determine the future of Malaysia.
“TAR College is clearest example of failure of MCA. Why was it established? Because of unfair quota policies where qualified students cannot enter public universities, so you formed TAR College. Shame on you MCA.
“Don’t say we haven’t built low cost housing. We have built. Don’t lie.”
Dr Chua takes a question from Roketkini editor Wan Hamidi Hamid: “Is MCA scared of Umno that they don’t dare to question corruption claims? Is there equal partnership in BN?”
Kim takes a question from Chor Chee Heung, MCA Minister for Housing and Local Government.
(Transcript lifted verbatim from ‘The Star’)
Question: I’ve read your Buku Jingga, stated among other things that if party win GE, forms central government they are going to abolish all road tolls, PTPTN and give income to houses [households] that make less than RM4,000 to make up that amount. Lots of other goodies. How are you going to implement these policies bearing in mind annual revenue does not exceed RM200bil?
“This the first time I’m hearing from a minister admitting corruption cost us RM26bil. Question is, what you doing about it? Are you accepting the fact that BN permits corruption? That’s why I say shame on you again.
“Don’t talk about collections from public. When DAP organises dinners, we don’t give free dinners like MCA or Umno. We charge because we rely on public funds to survive. We don’t steal the government’s money. That is the difference between BN and PR, the difference between MCA and DAP.
“I think you need to read the right Buku Jingga, I think you read the wrong one. Abolish tolls, estimate of RM35mil. If you don’t believe can be done, vote us into power and we show you can be done.”
Monash University’s Prof. James Chin poses one identical question on NEP to both speakers. Kim replies first followed by Dr Chua.
(Minute 1:30) Kim:
“Tapi yang masalahnya berlaku adalah ia [NEP] digunakan oleh pemimpin-pemimpin Barisan Nasional dan Umno untuk membuat mereka jadi sangat kaya.”
He adds that “rasuah sangat teruk”. (See also Star report, ‘Penang CM promises to bring graft-free feat to national level‘)
Questions from the floor for both speakers. First question on independent Chinese school; Dr Chua answers first.
Second question from the floor on national education policy; Kim answers first.
Third question from the floor on whether MCA is a “battered wife” (bashed up by Umno); Dr Chua answers first. While he had been collected and measured earlier throughout, he visibly falters here.
Kim seizes the initiative to go on the offensive (4:35)
“Do not forget two million Malaysians, the best and the brightest, left the country replaced by what? All the unskilled labour from Myanmar, Bangladesh. Are you proud of that, MCA? This is another greatest failure of MCA ah.“
Fourth and final question from the floor on Penang Port Commission. Kim answers first.
Dr Chua’s concluding arguments. He is given 10-12 minutes.
Kim sums up. He is given 15 minutes.
Watch this particular final video clip (towards its end) if you want to see the demagogue doing his rabble-rousing thing plus to hear his unique way of speaking (lenggok).
Pink Twitter profile wor. The DAPSubangJaya Twitter account carries Hannah Yeoh’s personal website address.
The DAP supporters think Kim won the debate because he received more noisy applause from the live audience.
For those with an interest, Dr Chua is worth a watch for his contrasting style and also – in Joceline Tan’s words:
“… his forte lies in being factual and analytical and he thinks quite well on his feet. He is no drama king and he does not embellish the facts to entertain the people although he can be quite caustic in his rebuttals”.
But then again because Jos is from The Star, DAPsters will rubbish her assessment.
How the DAP camp evaluate their Dear Leader’s performance is indicated in the tweets by DAPSubangJaya — a Twitter account that is Hannah Yeoh’s alter ego.
How many Twitters and Facebooks does the Star Adun need? It’s clear that DAPSubangJaya was created to give the stamp of officialdom in order to reinforce as well as provide an impression of multiplicity of views.
Hannah does indeed know how to exploit social media and the press, especially the Si Gunting (MCA must beware the Scissors-stab-in-the-back at this critical period of perception war following the debate).
* In Debate 1.0, The Star transcript had attributed something to Kim Guan Eng which he did not say. The paper subsequently issued the following correction (19 Feb 2012):
“It has been pointed out to us that in the debate with MCA president Datuk Seri Dr Chua Soi Lek on ‘Is the Two-Party System Becoming a Two-Race System’, DAP secretary-general Lim Guan Eng did not make any statement that ‘We do not agree the Prime Minister must always be a Malay because we want people to decide’. The error in translation is regretted.”
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