PR (Pakatan Rakyat) punya PR (Permanent Resident)

July 16, 2012 at 3:50 pm 47 comments

Status Ng Yen Yen sebagai pemastautin tetap (PR) di Australia pada suatu masa dahulu masih lagi sering diungkit para penyokong DAP.

Menimbas kembali, andaikata menteri MCA tersebut (dalam tahun 1990-an) pernah terfikir mahu melanjutkan PRnya kepada pemohonan untuk menjadi warga Australia, lalu apa syarat-syarat kelayakan yang perlu dipenuhi?

Butir-butir ujian kewarganegaraan di bawah diambil daripada laman sesawang rasmi yang berikut, http://www.citizenship.gov.au/learn/cit_test/

“The citizenship test is designed to assess whether you have an adequate knowledge of Australia and the responsibilities and privileges of Australian citizenship.

“The test is also designed to assess whether you have a basic knowledge of the English language. English is our national language. Communicating in English helps you to play a more active role in Australian society.”

Ujian warga Australia dilaksanakan pada 1 Okt 2007. Bentuk peperiksaan (sejak 19 Okt 2009):

  • dalam bahasa Inggeris
  • mengandungi 20 soalan aneka pilihan,
  • harus dijawab dalam 45 minit, dan
  • 75 markah untuk lulus

Isi kandungan ujian boleh dibaca @ http://www.citizenship.gov.au/learn/cit_test/_pdf/testable-content-nov2009.pdf

Secara ringkas, seorang asing yang memohon untuk menjadi warga perlu mengetahui — siapakah orang Australia (penghuni pribumi, pendatang awal orang Eropah, proses pembinaan negara bangsa, dsb), sejarah, dan apakah Australia (negeri-negerinya, ibukota, ibunegeri, bendera) serta tradisi dan perlambangan (sambutan Hari Anzac, jata negara, lagu kebangsaan, dll).

Seterusnya calon akan diuji pengetahuan tata negaranya (fahaman demokrasi, perundangan, hak-hak dan kebebasan, tanggungjawab kepada negara, dll).

Perkara-perkara yang perlu difahami oleh seorang bakal warga Australia — siapa ketua negara dan sistem raja berperlembagaan (nota: Australia bukan sebuah republik). Juga peranan Gabenor-General, Dewan dan Senat, kerajaan tempatan dan lain-lain badan kerajaan, pihak berkuasa, pentadbiran awam, parti politik, dsb.

Antara contoh soalan:

“What happened in Australia on 1 January 1901?” (pangkah pilihan A, B atau C), “What do we remember on Anzac Day?”, “Which official symbol of Australia identifies Commonwealth property?”, dan yang ini – rujuk jawapan (c) – agak kelakar walaupun ianya ditanya dengan nada serius:

“Who maintains peace and order in Australia?”

a. Public servants
b. Police
c. Lawyers

Nicole Tan setiausaha DAP Seremban / Plato ahli falsafah Athens kuno

Plato pun ‘Malaysian’ lah

Baru-baru ini (Julai 13) Nicole Tan, setiausaha DAP Seremban, mengeluarkan kenyataan akhbar dalam bahasa Inggeris dan bahasa Cina.

Nicole telah berkata:

“… Chua Soi Lek (CSL) has shown contempt for the Malaysian voters’ democratic right to scrutinise leaders through open debates. Only in a Third-World-Malaysia can public debates and thus public scrutiny be ignored, denied and suppressed, especially before the general elections. By Athenian principles and John F. Kennedy’s standards, CSL has committed a crime!”

Di samping berkata Malaysia ialah negara “Dunia Ketiga”, Nicole juga menggunakan kayu pengukur prinsip negara kota Yunani (“Athenian principles”) serta perilaku arwah presiden Amerika Syarikat (“John F. Kennedy’s standards”).

Wanita DAP itu berpijak di bumi mana agaknya dan tahukah dia langit tinggi atau rendah?

Perlambangan jata negara (klik sini)

Bagi setiausaha agung partinya pula, Malaysian First adalah berlandaskan – “a common identity centered on democracy, freedom, justice, integrity and human dignity” – sila baca ‘Eh, Guan Eng belum ajar Dong Jiao Zong lagi ke?’

Kalau mengikut senarai Kim Guan Eng, ciri-ciri yang menggariskan jati diri negara kita ialah demokrasi, kebebasan, keadilan, dsb.

Maka berteraskan hujah Guan Eng, ahli falsafah Plato pun boleh dikira seorang Malaysian First.

Bagi setiausaha DAP Seremban Nicole Tan tadi yang sealiran pendapat dengan Guan Eng, contoh prinsip Dunia Pertama yang paling elok boleh dicedok daripada “Athenian principles”. Baguslah tu — Plato adalah pengasas Akademi tatanegara termasyhur untuk mendidik negarawan di kota Athens kuno.

“Demokrasi” pun berasal dari perkataan Yunani, ‘demos’ (rakyat) +’kratos’ (kuasa).

Perihal “integrity and human dignity” blah blah blah itu yang diagung-agungkan Guan Eng, Plato juga terkenal kerana hasil penulisannya dalam bidang etika, lunas-lunas keadilan (The Republic), konsep kebebasan (Laws) serta lain-lain falsafah pemikiran Barat.

Justeru itu, berdasarkan tafsiran Kim Guan Eng, Plato sebenarnya merupakan contoh terbaik dijadikan ikutan Malaysian Firsters.

Bahasa kebangsaan ialah BM

Tadi ada disebut, “The citizenship test is also designed to assess whether you have a basic knowledge of the English language. English is our national language. Communicating in English helps you to play a more active role in Australian society”.

Ucapan bahasa Cina Kim (klik pada gambar untuk tonton)

Jikalau kita di Malaysia mengamalkan konsep yang selari, maka dalam konteks tempatan ayat di atas akan berbunyi:

“Ujian kewarganegaraan ini juga dirangka untuk menilai sama ada anda mempunyai pengetahuan asas bahasa Melayu. BM adalah bahasa kebangsaan kami. Kemampuan untuk berhubung dalam bahasa ini akan boleh membantu anda memainkan peranan yang lebih aktif dalam masyarakat Malaysia.”

Perkara 152 Perlembagaan Persekutuanmenyatakan bahawa bahasa kebangsaan ialah bahasa Melayu.

Perkara 17 dalam Akta Pendidikan 1996 meletakkan bahasa kebangsaan, yakni BM, sebagai bahasa pengantar utama dalam sistem pendidikan kebangsaan kecuali di SJK atau sekolah-sekolah lain yang diberi pengecualian oleh Menteri Pelajaran.

Perkara 18 menyebut bahawa sukatan pelajaran kebangsaan yang wajib digunakan di semua sekolah adalah bertujuan untuk memantapkan “pengetahuan, kemahiran dan nilai” di kalangan penuntut.

Apakah “nilai-nilai” kebangsaan atau keMalaysiaan yang harus disampaikan? Cuba kita tanya.

Namun tabiat DAPster ialah apabila ditanya satu, dijawab mereka yang lain pula.

Contohnya:

Akhir kata, saya hanya ada satu soalan mudah sahaja untuk golongan yang mendabik dada mencanangkan diri mereka sebagai Malaysia First dan SABM (Saya Anak Bangsa Malaysia).

Soalannya begini:

Adakah anda mendokong Perkara 152 Perlembagaan dan bersetuju bahawa bahasa kebangsaan wajib didaulatkan serta martabat BM mesti diletakkan lebih atas daripada mana-mana bahasa lain?

Jawab Ya atau Tidak.

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  • 1. bisu  |  July 16, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    Tak takut dipanggil racist oleh DAPster ke Helen dengan soalan itu?

    Oopss.. lupa pulak…cuma Melayu jer akan dilabel racist jika membangkitkan Perkara 152 Perlembagaan Persekutuan tu.. tapi nanti berlambak juga DAPster akan kata Helen diupah UMNO untuk bangkitkan isu ini… :-)
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    Saya rasa satu-satunya soalan ini bertepatan dengan suasana dan tak payahlah si DAPster-DAPster berdolak-dalih lagi. Biar mereka jawab aje, ya atau tidak. — Helen

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  • 2. tokpauht  |  July 16, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    Will DAPsters answer questions as asked? I doubt very much.

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    • 3. Goondoo  |  July 16, 2012 at 9:33 pm

      Hanya melayu saja yang layak dipanggil “racist” sedangkan bangsa lain apapun yang dilakukan takkan dipangiil racist tapi dilunakkan dengan perkataan “fighting for equal rights”. Bila DAP dalam tahun 1969 mengetuai perarakan nak menghalau Melayu dari Bumi Kuala Lumpur, pun tiada sapa-sapa yang mengatakan mereka racist.

      Tapi si Melayu yang budiman yang membenarkan jutaan keturunan bukan Melayu di bumi mendapat kerakyatan , mendapat hak untuk menjadi penentu, mendapat hak untuk beragama , bersekolah dan bertutur dalam bahasa ibunda akan dilabelkan sebagai “racist” pula . Perlu diingatkan semua hak ini diberi tanpa seorang pun bangsa bukan Melayu perlu dikorbankan.

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      • 4. Joe  |  July 16, 2012 at 11:07 pm

        Goondoo sure berminat nak tonton filem Tanda Putera. out on Malaysia Day this year. :)

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      • 5. MalaysianinNewYork  |  July 17, 2012 at 10:54 am

        Where have you been? In Malaysia, the term “racist” is synonymous with HINDRAF lah brother, bukan dengan Melayu.

        Kan kita sokong PERKASA. Yang jadi majority macam mana nak jadi racist, kan dia itu tentukan apa yang patut?

        Racist itu maknanya dia rasa dia itu ketuanan kerana ada powerlah. Siapa ada power di malaysia?

        Hanya kebenaran ada power bila kita menyedari diri sesama kita tanpa menyusuli puak-puak yang mengunakan sentiment agama & bangsa untuk kehendak mereka. Faham tak!!!

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        • 6. Helen Ang  |  July 17, 2012 at 11:12 am

          For the record, it’s true that Hindraf has been tarred ‘racist’ and ‘samseng’ by some Malays.

          However, Hindraf has been equally vilified with the same labels by KGE, certain DAP pollies, DAP supporters, by the Malaysian Firsters, the SABMers and the crowd that comment in the English online portals.

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  • 7. Joe  |  July 16, 2012 at 6:39 pm

    Nicole Tan is a middle-class lala.

    Does she wish she were back in the days of Plato? There were no real middle-class in Ancient Greece, which means Nicole would have to choose between kangkang-ing her way to the upper class, or forever be one of the wenches that bring wine or food for the lord of the house…

    DAPsters give a straight answer to a binary question? Pigs. Flying.

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  • 8. swee leong  |  July 16, 2012 at 6:50 pm

    Question to Hannah Yeoh – rephrase : Irony isn’t it to champion satu malaysia but not championing use of BM in vernacular schools?

    Hannah Yeoh’s reply : Don’t confuse the issue. Malays and Indians also send their children to chinese schools.

    Hannah is missing the point. If you are championing satu malaysia, you must also be championing a school system that uses a common language to bring uncommon ideas into the discussion table so that the language can be the moderator to produce a common understanding of things, although not necessarily sacrifing these ideas in the languages they express.

    From the look of thing, Hannah is not interested to champion this cause, or even show that she wants to look further how this is possible.

    Try telling her that all schools should use English as THE language of Malaysian schools, and she might immediately jump in to support such an idea.

    Her idea of satu Malaysia? Don’t buy it. It’s filled with biases. Hers are the correct ones. Others are not.

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  • 9. Sshsn  |  July 16, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    Answer is yes Hell. BN as the national language should be number 1. Why do you think it is not? Secondly do your umno friends speak the language as it should?

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    • 10. Helen Ang  |  July 16, 2012 at 9:38 pm

      One indication, for starters.

      “Menurut kajian yang dibuat oleh Prof Dr Nor Hashimah Jalaluddin dalam Seminar Sehari Persatuan Linguistik Malaysia (PLM) sebelum ini … 72.1% remaja Cina merasakan bahasa Melayu tidak penting, diikuti oleh Kadazan (40%) dan India (37%).”

      Abim stated the above in their press statement on Dong Zong but I’ve not been able to locate a media report on the professor’s study.

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    • 11. Helen Ang  |  July 16, 2012 at 9:45 pm

      The reaction by opposition supporters slamming Dewan Bahasa & Pustaka and Gapena as “[Malay] racists” and “chauvinists”. Read sampling of views in reader comments here, http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/203546

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    • 12. Joe  |  July 17, 2012 at 2:10 pm

      Sshsn sudah keliru, hingga BN pula yang menjadi bahasa kebangsaan…

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      • 13. Helen Ang  |  July 17, 2012 at 2:22 pm

        Hmm, I hadn’t noticed earlier. Perhaps it’s not a typo but deliberate in that Sshsn had really meant “BN as the national language” — ref. BNspeak as opposed to DAPspeak (?)

        One never knows what lurks – cue: Jaws theme song – in the mind of this Sshsn character.

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  • 14. TRE  |  July 16, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    cuba cik helen buat 25 soalan yg patut ditanya untuk membolehkan seseorang itu lulus menjadi waganegara.. boleh?
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    Para pengomen adalah dijemput untuk memberi apa-apa cadangan :) — Helen

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    • 15. Joe  |  July 16, 2012 at 11:11 pm

      Kesemua 25 soalan harus-lah dalam Bahasa Malaysia. Bermakna kebanyakan Firsters dan SABM akan gagal ujian kewarganegaraan. Boleh-kah KDN menarik balik kerakyatan mereka dalam situasi sedemikian?

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  • 16. Melonhead  |  July 16, 2012 at 9:52 pm

    Suami saya org Eropah, lebih fasih berbahasa Melayu drp sesetengah org yg melihat diri mereka org Malaysia tapi malu berbahasa Melayu. Until today he is shocked that there are ‘malaysians’ who cannot and will not converse in the national language.

    To top it off, he is completely flabbergasted by the kaum ‘malaysian firsters’ yg lebih menjerumus kepada culture org putih. He has been here for more than 10 years, listens to Malay songs, watches Malay movies and buy paintings in Karyaneka by local artists. He supports anything local because his philosophy is, if you sendiri tak support org you, siapa akan?

    Sometimes he gets embarrassed when kaum ‘malaysian firsters’ yg suka condemn malaysia as 3rd world, low class, tak de standard etc berborak dgn dia. He will defend malaysia and say you may disagree with the government of the day but that should not be translated into hatred towards your own country and culture. Mereka ni tak berasa malu ke?

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    • 17. rexuan  |  July 17, 2012 at 8:58 am

      luving this statement..

      you may disagree with the government of the day but that should not be translated into hatred towards your own country and culture.

      good one..

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  • 18. calvinsankaran  |  July 17, 2012 at 12:44 am

    This is yet another example where DAPsters tend to mouth high-falutin words and concepts without a clue on its meaning or background (remember the “Prof” Greg Lopez?). They tend to claim to ride moral high horse while in reality they mud-wrestle with pigs in the sewers.

    Nicole obviously has no clue on Athenian democracy. I don’t claim to be a political scientist but I do know enough to know that she’s spewing BS.

    While Athens gave birth to the concept of democracy, its brand of democracy is far from the version we know now and even in those days it was heavily criticised for being unjust.

    In Athens, they didn’t elect leaders but practiced “direct democracy” so I am confused on which aspect of Athenian democracy that demanded debates between leaders.

    Another interesting point is that only men who served as soldiers are allowed to vote (which was merely 20% of the population). Others, especially women, had a much lower rights and social standing.

    I think we need to send Nicole back to school to re-educate her on democracy.

    Read on at the below link:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athenian_democracy

    The same can be said of JFK who was no democracy icon. He became the president in a most undemocratic manner, escalated the Cold War to a very dangerous level, bombed Vietnam, invaded Cuba (Bay of Pigs), etc.

    On top of that his personal life was scandalous with affairs with numerous women while in office.

    Perhaps, Nicole is sending a message on the kind of democracy that Pakatan supports as demonstrated by Anwar and Dear Leader.

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    • 19. Joe  |  July 17, 2012 at 2:09 pm

      I think we need to send Nicole Tan to fetch water and bring fresh fruits to the parlor.

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  • 20. calvinsankaran  |  July 17, 2012 at 12:49 am

    BTW, taking about PR, do you know that Phee Boon Poh, the DAP’s Penang exco member is a NZ PR ? Also Tony Pua too used to be a Singapore PR until his business folded and he came home with tails between his legs.
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    Perhaps MCA should take the bull by the horns so that PBP & TP must necessarily confirm or deny these rumours, just as DAP has taken on Ng Yen Yen. — Helen

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    • 21. Sally  |  July 17, 2012 at 12:37 pm

      Good for you, Helen. You remain neutral. Calvinsankaran has alleged that PBP and TP are PR of NZ and S’pore. MCA should check them out to be fair to NYY. PBP has denied his PRship. TP could be a PR as he has stayed in the republic since school days but is he still one? Hentam them kaw kaw if the allegation made by calvinsankaran is true. Can’t have double standards, can we?
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      I couldn’t find TBP making any response yesterday in the Chinese portals. Can you pls provide link re: “PBP has denied his PRship”? — Helen

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      • 22. Sally  |  July 17, 2012 at 2:58 pm

        Sin Chew Daily 15th July, Helen? Sorry but I can’t read chinese. I was told that he rebutted the allegation. Maybe you are in a better position to check it out? Thanks.

        I like you, Helen, though I don’t always agree with you but you remain constant to your beliefs. Keep your chin up, no matter what critics (or I ha ha) may sometimes say about you.
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        I checked SinChew yesterday (Google week) as I heard the same as you. Tak jumpa. — Helen

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      • 23. calvinsankaran  |  July 17, 2012 at 3:34 pm

        Well PBP denied it indeed by it was not carried by the Chinese news papers but the Star, the Rocket’s sister publication.

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        GEORGE TOWN: Penang exco member Phee Boon Poh has denied having a New Zealand permanent residence.

        The state Health, Welfare, Environ­ment and Caring Society committee chairman said this following a posting on news portal Stop The Lies which published a post titled “Hurry Hurry Home to Rotorua! Phee Boon Poh is NZ PR?”.

        “Even his wife is a NZ permanent resident, that is what the Chinese businessmen in Penang are saying,” it reported.

        Phee said the portal should offer a clarification on the posting.

        “If they do not clarify within a week, I will consider taking the necessary action. They have to prove it. They are either liars or too lazy to check their facts,” he said.

        http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2012/7/17/nation/11672911&sec=nation

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        The interesting thing is he denies having a NZ PR not never having it. If I am not mistaken you cannot buy properties in NZ unless you are a PR or a citizen. It could be he surrended his PR after becoming an exco.

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        • 24. Helen Ang  |  July 17, 2012 at 3:38 pm

          “the Star, the Rocket’s sister publication” … Good label, Calvin! I borrow :)

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      • 25. calvinsankaran  |  July 17, 2012 at 3:36 pm

        Sally, as for Tony it is the same. He cannot be a uni student or sponsored by Singapore govt unless he was a PR or citizen (I know since I had worked in Singapore for several years).

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  • 26. swee leong  |  July 17, 2012 at 7:51 am

    Why not many Malaysian Chinese not speaking BM extensively, or not using BM extensively, or speak broken BM?

    What direction is Malaysia taking? Malaysia is aggessively becoming a very, very commercialized country and trying to bring in huge investments from outside the country? These people coming into the country, they are interested in BM or a language that will facilitate their business interest here? The answer is obvious. And what is this language? It’s English. Malaysians working in foreign firms here all need to speak English, including Asian companies.

    A language can only be appreciated and become effective once its value is made pervasive and brings a sense of worth to its users. In today’s world, it is English as it is the language that is churning out material goods and consumptions. But this is commercial English, not literary English as few people have time to indulge in Victorian pastime where English is appreciated for its own sake. Look at the tennis players. Rafael Nadal (Spanish), Federer (Swiss), Djokovic (Serb) all have to speak English during press conferences – and so did all the top ten tennis players although it is only Murray the Scott whose native tongue is English.

    We can all clamour for BM to be the no 1 language in Malaysia, but as long as BM cannot compete to make its language felt in the commericaled world of today and at the international stage, then any clamour will not bring any result.

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    • 27. shinji  |  July 17, 2012 at 9:56 am

      Then pick English alongside BM as the compulsary languages & abolish vernacular school system since English is the internationally spoken language & BM is the language at this part of the world (Kepulauan Nusantara). Would you agree?

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  • 28. Nicole Tan  |  July 17, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    I missed out a para in my article. Hence, caused a lot confusion as to what I meant : “kind of utterances if he thinks Malaysians have Third World mentality like him.

    Open debate is a platform for the Malaysian voters to judge whether the candidates are electable. John F. Kennedy quoted “No president should fear public scrutiny of his program, for from that scrutiny comes understanding, and from that understanding comes support or opposition; and both are necessary… Without debate, without criticism, no administration and no country can succeed, and no republic can survive. That is why the Athenian law makers once decreed it a crime for any citizen to shrink from controversy”.

    Hence, CSL has shown contempt for the Malaysian voters’ democratic right to scrutinise leaders through open debates.”

    The amended copy can be found in MT :

    http://www.malaysia-today.net/mtcolumns/letterssurat/50585-statement-by-nicole-tan-lee-koon-secretary-of-dap-seremban-branch

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    • 29. Joe  |  July 17, 2012 at 6:01 pm

      Fetch the water and fruits, wench!

      Kamu yang nak hidup di zaman Ancient Greece kelmarin, kan?

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    • 30. calvinsankaran  |  July 18, 2012 at 9:39 am

      It is heart-warming to see that DAP branch leaders themselves turun padang to do their part in the party’s cyber thuggery efforts ! I salute you Nicole Tan.

      However, I do wish that in addition to Athenian democracy and JFK’s high ideals, you would have complied with the advise of the real icon of democracy and civil liberty – Abe Lincoln. He suggested that ” it is better to keep silent and be thought of as a fool than open you mouth and remove all doubts”.

      I think this advice is very apt for yourself as your statements have raised some serious questions on your mastery of English and your IQ level. Granted you might have translated your statement from Mandarin to English via Google translator, but that does not explain some points as stated below.

      1. Nicole Tan Lee Koon 陳丽群, Secretary of DAP Seremban Branch is saddened and disappointed that a Chinese leader like Chua Soi Lek (CSL) has shown contempt for the Malaysian voters’ democratic right to scrutinise leaders through open debates.

      ====> I am puzzled by this sentence. First being a Firster (ie the party that is “multi-racial and supports Anak Bangsa Malaysia), why do you need to issue statement in English and state your name in Chinese ? Also what CSL’s ethnicity has to do with this issue ?

      2. Athenian democracy :

      ==== > Do you even understand this term ? FYI Athens practised direct democracy,ie, they did not elect leaders but participated directly in the state’s affairs. Secondly only 20% of the population had voting rights and the women were not allowed to vote.

      3. Publicdebate

      ===> Public debate is not an universally accepted component of democracy. Even in the US, it is only done during the presidential election, As such, there is no logic whatsoever to demand Najib debates with Anwar.

      4. “By Athenian principles and John F. Kennedy’s standards, CSL has committed a crime”
      ====> This is a ridiculous statement. How can be a violation of principles and standard considered as a crime ? Only breaking law is considered a crime by any definition. This really brings into question the soundness of your mental faculties.

      BTW, I notice that the DAP leaders have a certain style of writing and press statements. The title tends to be long and high melodramatic. The sentences tend to be verging on ranting and ravings. Is this something they teach at DAP’s Rant 101 course ?

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      • 31. Nicole Tan  |  July 18, 2012 at 12:32 pm

        Read JFK’s quote carefully, my dear friend. Anyway, I wrote this from the heart. I appreciate your feedbacks albeit misogynistic. Argumentum ad Hominem should always be avoided because it reflects on one’s lack of points.

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      • 32. Dave  |  July 18, 2012 at 1:14 pm

        quote: “The title tends to be long and high melodramatic. The sentences tend to be verging on ranting and ravings.”

        hello calvin, you mean like your posts here, n your letters you frequently send to newspapers? : )

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      • 33. calvinsankaran  |  July 18, 2012 at 10:05 pm

        Nicole…I see that you had avoided answering any of my questions. Which of course did not surprise me since that’s the trade mark of DAP leaders. BTW can you tell me how many debates did Obama participated after he became the President ?

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      • 34. Joe  |  July 19, 2012 at 2:23 pm

        Still waiting for water and fruits. So hard to find good serving wenches nowadays…

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  • 35. swee leong  |  July 17, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    Problem with some people is that they debate everywhere – in their office, in Parliament, in state assemblies, in hawker stalls, in parks, in three-love triangle, and their ten thousand words end in three words – SHAME ON YOU!

    Shame on you! they say to their staff members; Shame on you! they say to the reporters and journalists; Shame on you! they say to the lawmakers.

    And when asked how they would say this to CSL in Malay, they say : TIADA KEMALUAN KE ATAS KAMU CSL!

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    • 36. Joe  |  July 17, 2012 at 6:37 pm

      Hahahahaha! And none of them know how to say “please” or “thank you” in any language…

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  • 37. I hate N'Sync  |  July 18, 2012 at 7:35 pm

    Dear Nicole Tan,

    What do you think about the COMPLETE CHINESE EDUCATION SYSTEM as perpetuated and championed by DJZ and now by extension New Era College?

    If MCA’s UTAR and TARC are opportunistic for-profit institutions of higher learning and a sign of abject failure by the party in securing tertiary education opportunities for the Chinese, what would DAP have done differently in the former’s position?

    You claimed that CSL has demonstrated contempt for Democracy (with a capital D) by saying that debates with LGE is a “waste of time”. I am actually pretty amused by your line of logic. I mean, CSL feels that debating LGE is a waste of time. If that’s what CSL feels, so be it. Perhaps he is open to debating Nicole Tan, who knows? The crime you wrote about only exists in your head, and lets be honest, it is the perceived slight to your dear LGE that motivated your writing, not mandatory debates for our politicians.

    I applaud your argument that we need to look at track records and qualifications. I mean, CSL is a medical doctor. He has served in MCA in various capacity for many years and was a cabinet minister. Strangely though, your ramblings degenerated into arguments about Character and Eloquence. You also mentioned that debates were avoided so that past scandals will remain unspoken and thus forgotten.

    I do have a question for you about the scandals of BN so often bandied about. Are debates about tarring and feathering your opponent with incidents or events they have no direct ability to influence (by coalition or party association), or is it about communicating their vision, points, plans and rationale for certain development policies and principles? You talk about debates but you cannot even string together a coherent and consistent argument. First you put political debates on the pedestal of utopians, and then you accuse BN of shrinking away from debates because they fear answering past or on-going scandals and allegations, which I might add, some have already been through the due processes of the law. If our laws are not good enough for you, and you suspect injustice have been done, what good will it be debated for? So which is which?

    I think you are saying that lets have debates so that we can talk about BN scandals and wrongdoings. How very democratic. Perhaps I can polish up my CV so that just in case BN or PR need to hire some debaters to argue their case in the court of public opinion to satisfy the uneducated masses by the influence of pure rethoric brilliance.

    Go and read up about the purpose of political debates and come back to me, if you are interested in backing up what is clearly a politically-motivated piece. I totally understand if you are not really for true Democracy, just another cari makan politician of the day. I faham.

    Argumentum ad hominem? You can focus on that since chewing on your own logical fallacies is a much more bitter pill.

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  • 39. I hate N'Sync  |  July 18, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    “Open debate is a platform for the Malaysian voters to judge whether the candidates are electable.”

    – Nicole Tan

    Political debates, including the ones in the Parliament, allow individual MPs or Senators to justify their support or opposition against a proposed legislation. It is aimed at persuasion before a vote is taken.

    Public debates like the ones you are advocating, aims to provide an opportunity for the masses to discuss and understand key issues and the individual’s position on these matters. It is aimed at both educating and explaining to the electorate your convictions and beliefs. Far too often, people miscontrue open debates as opportunities to be a political chameleon and tailor their remarks to be as mainstream / populist as possible. It should not be a dog and pony show, but unfortunately, not many people understand that and they only see the oratory skills and not the points raised.

    Btw, LGE spoke with no Eloquence, and I don’t hold that against him.

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  • 40. Rhyu T  |  July 18, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    Nicole Tan should remember that one of the reason that GW Bush was re-elected was because he was a better debater than Kerry. Now, what did that brought us?…

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  • 41. MalaysianinNewYork  |  July 19, 2012 at 9:02 am

    Nicole Tan says ” Anyway, I wrote this from the heart”. Maybe she did maybe she did not.The issue here is not that. As much as she could be seen as a nemesis in Helen’s blog, but the truth is she is also a Malaysian like all of us.

    Respecting her above quote, maybe she genuinely belief in what she is fighting for so it does not make sense to mock one’s falsified belief unless you are in a position to change it. The rules of engagement whether BN/PR should be one that the community benefit not the typical tit for tat for political survival.

    Hope that Nicole Tan can take a cue that those who blog in Helen’s blog are not so blindly ruthless, mindless and obscene as what we find in the DAP’s cyber troopers. Suka tembak, tembak and tembak!!!

    I would like to thank Nicole Tan that she has made an effort to justify her stand, but unfortunately she does not realize that she is not dealing with a politically based commentors here but rather just regular Malaysians who are fed up with the drama that both BN/PR drums up against public interest.

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  • 42. Nicole Tan  |  July 19, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    Dear all, I would like to everyone again for their constructive comments. Rightly or wrongly, I wrote that statement for the love of the country. I will not superimpose my ideas on anyone. Please respect the fact that we can agree to disagree. I am quite amused by the name callings though.

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    • 43. calvinsankaran  |  July 19, 2012 at 3:44 pm

      For the love of the country ? Please lah Nicole, we are not a bunch of Dear Leader-loving Dapsters. It is clear as day that it is your love of your Dear Leader and the party that motivated to write this pathetic half baked nonsense in guise of “intellectual” comments. Throwing in “Athenian democracy” or “JFK’ do not make puerile comments look intelligent.

      Agree to disagree ? Well one hoped you could have applied to yourself the same principles before you came out with that statement where you called CSL as criminal for disagreeing with you. As for name calling, perhaps you should follow your own advice before asking others.

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    • 44. I hate n'sync  |  July 20, 2012 at 1:19 pm

      Good that you are amused. Thanks for giving us an amusing time too. I mean, this is all good entertainment, no?

      I love my country too, and I do agree that it gives me the right to have an opinion, stupid or otherwise.

      For all the Malaysians at heart and now in action from afar…

      Chess – Anthem

      No man, no madness
      Though their sad power may prevail
      Can possess, conquer, my country’s heart
      They rise to fail

      She is eternal
      Long before nations’ lines were drawn
      When no flags flew, when no armies stood
      My land was born

      And you ask me why I love her
      Through wars, death and despair
      She is the constant, we who don’t care
      And you wonder will I leave her – but how?
      I cross over borders but I’m still there now

      How can I leave her?
      Where would I start?
      Let man’s petty nations tear themselves apart
      My land’s only borders lie around my heart

      Selamat Hari Kebangsaan in advance folks dan selamat berpuasa.

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      • 45. mekyam  |  July 23, 2012 at 12:53 pm

        thank you, ihns! this lovely song most appropriately sums up the collective sentiments, i’m sure. : )

        selamat hari kebangsaan in advance to you too.

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    • 46. Joe  |  July 21, 2012 at 11:37 am

      Water and fruits, wench. For the love of ancient Athens – go fetch!

      Reply
  • 47. Mustapha Ong  |  July 23, 2012 at 4:23 am

    Those who questioned Ng Yan Yan’s PR (Australia) intention should asked themselves, especially those students or Malaysians who had been staying abroad for a length of time whether or not they also had the same intention when the opportunity was there for the choice of abode, i.e whether to remain in their country of adoption or returned to Malaysia where they belong.

    In the first instance, I wish to clarify that being a PR overseas does not reflect the love for our country, Malaysia based on racial lines. There are Chinese, Malays, Indians and others are maintaining PRs in their adopted country and are we going to label them as less patriotic? Ng Yan Yan is a political leader and thus she gets the beating from her own political friends and those of the opposition, especially DAP and PKR. I do not believe that those opposition leaders and members do not maintain PR in the country which they had lived before or for the purpose of continuity in the interest of their children and grandchildren who may go abroad for studies, etc.

    I have worked and stayed in eight countries during my service to the nation and yet I didn’t take up the offer of PR in those countries, which had come easily as a former diplomat. Following my footstep, my children who were studying in USA, UK and New Zealand didn’t take up PR in those countries. What does this tell you, except it’s a personal choice whether one is willing to return to Malaysia and served the nation or otherwise.

    There is nothing to do with one’s patriotism or disloyalty to our our country of birth.Those politicians who questioned their political counterparts in this issue as well as raised the question of forsaking Bahasa Malaysia as their lingua franca are hypocrite in their criticism with ulterior motive as part of their political agenda.

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