RCI, referendum and kerakyatan 1 juta orang Cina

January 19, 2013 at 9:32 am 33 comments

Berikut ialah satu perenggan yang dipetik daripada kisah hidup Presiden Obama. Dalam  autobiografinya The Audacity of Hope, di bawah bab bertajuk ‘Bangsa’, dia telah menulis:

“None of us — black, white, Latino, or Asian — is immune to the stereotypes that our culture continues to feed us, especially stereotypes about black criminality, black intelligence, or the black work ethic. In general, members of every minority group continue to be measured largely by the degree of our assimilation — how closely speech patterns, dress, or demeanor conform to the dominant white culture — and the more that a minority strays from these external markers, the more he or she is subject to negative assumptions.”

Kalau Melayu ada referendum, apa kata?

Blogger Syed Akbar Ali baru-baru ini menimbulkan satu persoalan berbentuk ‘outside the box':

Katanya:

“Would it be too out of place to suggest that we have a Royal Commission of Inquiry to investigate why 1.0 million immigrants (mostly Chinese and Indians) were given citizenship in Malaya in the 1950s?

“I mean surely there must be at least five million Malays on the Peninsula today who may be wondering why or how that particular incident happened? Were they consulted? Was there a public referendum?

“Is this a fair request? Or its not fair?  Lets not argue about the fairness. Lets have a RCI first on the issue – how and why 1.0 million Chinese and Indians (including my mamak gang of course) were given citizenship.”

Syed Akbar berseloroh bahawa geng mamaknya juga diberi kerakyatan dalam tahun 1950-an. Bangsa Moro di Sabah diberikan kerakyatan pada tahun 1990-an. Selang 40 tahun sahaja kedua-dua peristiwa tersebut.

Berapa rasiskah Umno sekiranya parti tersebut sanggup menaikkan Zambry Abdul Kadir sebagai Menteri Besar di Perak?

The Umno Menteri Besar of Perak

Kita masih lagi tertunggu-tunggu DAP 2.0 – parti yang mengamalkan Politik Kasih Sayang – untuk melantik seorang mamak (yang digelar mereka “Melayu Celup Kopi“) menduduki kerusi majlis tertinggi.

Unsur-unsur kerakyatan

Mari kita meninjau kenapa Anak Bangsar Malaysia asyik kurang berpuashati.

(1) “Disgusting” seruan ‘balik Tongsan’ itu

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(2) “Folks let’s move beyond race!”

Obama-Beyond-Race pun bersekolah SJK(S), iaitu sekolah bahasa pengantar Swahili di Amerika Syarikat.

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(3) “Racist and distasteful” – Orang Umno

Obama-Beyond-Race bersalam 1USA dan dalam siri tiga perbahasan dengan Mitt Romney, Obama bercakap dalam bahasa ibunda Kenya-nya manakala Romney pula bercakap dalam bahasa German dan Scottish warisan nenek-moyangnya. Sama seperti GuanEng-Beyond-Race ketika berbahas dengan Chua Soi Lek dalam bahasa kebangsaan negara dalam dua kali perbahasan mereka.

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(4) “Umno wicked”

Jahat sungguh Umno yang mempersetujui kerakyatan diberikan kepada puak Anak Bangsar Malaysia yang asalnya datang dari negara asing. (Tak boleh sebut perkataan ‘p********’ itu, pasti dituduh rasis serasis-rasisnya.)

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(5) “Generous lovegift from City Harvest”

Politikus evangelis DAP berusaha menyemai kasih sayang dari satu gereja ke satu gereja yang lain, bukan seperti Umno yang selalu menimbulkan sengketa antara agama.

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(6) Oiiiii ‘Suara MCA’

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“call a spade a spade”

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Akhbar-akhbar arus perdana, misal kata Utusan, harus menamakan dirinya ‘Suara Umno’ dan The Star pula harus bergelar ‘Suara MCA’.

(7) Suara MCA menyokong orang yang menyokong ABU

HannahHarisABU

Pecahan pengundi mengikut etnik pada pilihanraya kebangsaan yang pertama diadakan pada tahun 1955 ialah:

  • Melayu 1,078,000 orang (84.2%)
  • Cina 143,000 orang (11.2%)
  • India 50,000 orang (3.9%)
  • Lain-lain 9,000 orang (0.7%)

Pada zaman pra-Merdeka, ramai orang Cina yang belum lagi diberi kerakyatan dan maka itu kaum Cina lemah kuasa undi dalam tahun 1955.

Dalam PRU tahun 1955, gabungan Perikatan Umno, MCA dan MIC telah bertanding 52 kerusi semuanya.

MCA diberikan 15 daripada 52 kerusi itu untuk bertanding, iaitu 28.8% walaupun peratusan pengundi Cina hanya 11.2%.

Agaknya formula bertolak-ansur Perikatan dianggap sudah basi oleh The Star aka Suara MCA hari ini yang lebih gemar berjinak-jinak dengan Politik Kasih Sayang pembangkang.

Sila baca juga ‘Politics of Love: The men behind Joceline and Helen

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Berita dianggap paling mustahak oleh The Star

The Star hari ini pun masih tidak melaporkan apa-apa tentang penghinaan Patrick Teoh terhadap orang Islam.

Agaknya di kaca mata pengarang Star, ia bukan berita penting atau berita arus perdana yang layak dikhabarkan atau diulas.

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Politics of Love: The men behind Joceline and Helen Tunku Aziz beri amaran agar DAP berhenti daripada mengusik Melayu

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  • 1. Hahn  |  January 19, 2013 at 11:41 am

    Saya berminat dengan perkataan Ketuanan Melayu yang telah di salah tafsirkan oleh Anuwar Ibrahim semasa dalam kerajaan. Anwar bermaksud Ketuanan Orang Melayu semuanya. Sebab tu dia sambil itu [edited].

    Ketuanan Melayu adalah bermaksud Raja Raja Melayu kerana bangsa Melayu bertuankan Raja. Tanpa rakyat tiadalah Raja. Oleh itu jelas Tuan orang Melayu adalah Raja Raja Melayu. Jelas dalam perlembagaan Malaysia perkara ini. Misalnya Yang di Pertuan Agung, Majlis Raja Raja Melayu dan hak Sultan di setiap negeri negeri.

    Di harapkan pembaca faham Ketuanan Melayu adalah bermaksud Raja Raja dan yang di Pertuan Agung Malaysia. Menghina Ketuanan Melayu ertinya menghina Raja Raja Melayu bermaksud menghina Perlembagaan Persekutuan.

    Ahli ahlil politik tinggal di Malaysia patutnya faham jelas. Ini fahaman mereka lebih teruk dari rakyat biasa. Bagaimana mahu membantu rakyat kalau fikiran pun kabur dan tidak tahu kedudukan diri, hak rakyat, hak raja Melayu dan perlembagaan.

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  • 2. Rambulan  |  January 19, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    Kak Helen,

    Meskipun AS sudah merdeka lebih dari 200 tahun namun “black”, “white” dan “brown” masih merupakan istilah yang terus digunapakai secara FORMAL oleh semua media untuk merujuk dan mengklaskan komposisi penduduk negara berkenaan.

    Penggunaan istilah tersebut untuk merujuk dan membahagikan populasi kepada golongan minoriti dan majoriti akan berterusan kerana golongan majoriti (White) berasakan warna kulit mereka satu ‘keistimewaan semulajadi’.

    Dalam konteks tempatan, golongan majoriti (sawo matang) tidak berasakan kulit mereka adalah paling istimewa sebaliknya golongan “banana” (minoriti) pula berasakan kulit mereka adalah paling istimewa berbanding lain-lain warna… “kopi”, “kopi susu” dan “sawo matang”.

    Pernahkah anda terbaca tentang ‘perang warna kulit’ sesama golongan minoriti di AS? Saya tak pernah. Sebaliknya apabila “banana” tanpa segan silu menggunakan perkataan ‘black metalik’ untuk dilontarkan kepada seorang ketua negeri yang bukan dari kalangan banana, apa ertinya?

    Apapun dalam konteks kepelbagaian warna kulit dan permasalahan berkaitan dengannya, negara ini beruntung kerana warna kulit golongan majoriti (sawo matang) secara kebetulan berada di tengah-tengah antara warna “kopi-kopi susu” dan “susu-banana”.

    Dengan itu dapatlah pihak sawo matang (majoriti) jadi pengimbang dan seterusnya pendamai apabila ‘perang warna’ tercetus antara dua skala warna-warna minoriti… kopi-kopi susu vs susu-banana

    Kepada golongan “banana” sedarlah bahawa kalau anda angkat kaki menuju ke AS, anda tidak akan diiktiraf sebagai the White dan tentunya the Black dan lain-lain golongan minoriti AS akan tetap menggelar anda “banana of the East” jua.

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  • 3. shamshul anuar  |  January 19, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    Helen,

    I mentioned many times that the magnitude of Malay rulers in granting citizenship over 1 million non Malays as unparalleled by world standard. In short, it is until today unmatched by any other countries on this planet.

    Overnight, Malay states changed from being exclusively Malay to multi racial. This is the thing that i notice many people (especially Chinese) refuse to appreciate.

    They continue to lament about DEB. They wonder why civil service is overwhelmingly Malays but they keep silent on “mandarin n is preferred” advertisements so rampantly displayed.

    They attacked one Malay simply because he happens to be a billionaire. But they say nothing about majority of the richest in Malaysia is Chinese.

    They accuses UMNO as being racist but even in debate, they do [not] battle each other in Bahasa Melayu. They made a fuss about white angpow but they do not even report on Patrick’s insulting remark on Islam.

    They say “singapore like this , singapore like that” but they deliberately omit that in singapore, there is no chinese school.

    They say about nepotismn BN but an outsider is appointed as Ketua Menteri simply because his father is Kit Siang.

    So, i tend to agree with what an elderly Malay, a neighbour of mine, says about them “Jenis makhluk yang tak tahu berterimakasih”.

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    • 4. Helen Ang  |  January 19, 2013 at 2:18 pm

      Shamshul,

      Since the one million Chinese were fait accompli already residing in the Federated and Unfederated Malay States in the 1950s, what would you propose the Malays Sultans had done with them?

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      • 5. shamshul anuar  |  January 19, 2013 at 4:43 pm

        Helen,

        Citizenship is a privilege. I may have fulfilled all the criteria set by a govt. But if the very govt does not like me, I cant force them to grant me citizenship.

        Nobody is questioning Malay rulers here. What i am stressing is that (no offense) many Chinese seems unable to show gratitude. That is the feeling, if you may want to ask many Malays.

        Of course, being Malays, many would not want to say it out loud. That is why once a while, it is good to be reminded “where were you 55 years [ago]?” This is done not to all Chinese because only few politicians especially among DAP who thrive by painting Malay, Islam , UMNO as imaginery enemies of Chinese.

        Frankly, Helen, I have enough with these ungrateful people. Were I to be the Minister in charge, in no time I would strip citizenship of people like Patrick, Namawee, Ambiga or stupid students who show a new flag not to mentioned charging useless Nizar for saying that Dr M received RM207 billion from Japan recently. What nonsense.

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        • 6. Helen Ang  |  January 19, 2013 at 4:55 pm

          (1) Me too cukup meluat dengan fiil diorang.

          (2) Sultan can buang negeri the troublemakers at his discretion. It’s a royal prerogative.

          (3) Hope you don’t advocate stripping the citizenship of people who prefer the Snag Sang Saka. I’m one of them ,)

          (4) Let’s not go the way of collective punishment on the entire ethnic Chinese population. Focus on who is leading them astray … like the paper which is supposedly ‘Suara MCA’ but continually promotes stupidity and keeps on stabbing the BN spirit.

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          • 7. Antihipokrit  |  January 20, 2013 at 10:10 am

            Pada masa lalu masih ada pilihan untuk pendatang yg sudah tinggal di Tanah Melayu. Mereka boleh diberi kerakyatan dgn syarat seperti Indonesia atau Thailand. Atau seperti Brunei sahaja, PENDUDUK TETAP.

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          • 8. i hate n'sync  |  January 21, 2013 at 1:04 am

            Sorry, my citizenship is not to be revoked on the basis of some supposed collective sense of gratitude. Just to make that clear.

            During these troubled times you get to see all those closeted racists rearing their ugly head, Kadir or no Kadir. These are people who walked the corridors of power. You ask them what they have done and see if you can get anyone to repent.

            An RCI for Sabah is NOT the same as the issue of Malayanisation at the point of Independence. I consider the line of decency crossed when the question of our citizenship is AGAIN raised to cover up for some political shennanigans.

            Malaysians who want to deny others their citizenship based on some “I was here first” mentality needs to look at the orang asli and ask themselves if they have any conscience at all.

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            • 9. Helen Ang  |  January 21, 2013 at 1:24 am

              It’s not the same as the Malayan one was above the counter whereas the Sabah one was covert.

              But then again, have we (Chinese) really fulfilled our side of the bargain?

              I don’t support assimilation (hence my vote for Chinese school) but as you know, the Firsters do cherry pick.

              They want to invoke Obama’s ascension to the presidency as an example of equal rights for minorities but they conveniently forget that he does not speak a non-English “mother” tongue which presumes an extant link to the “motherland”.

              And like Obama’s own quote says, he’s not all that different in demeanour and speech patterns from the majority whites. Can’t say the same for Chinese.

              While I don’t seriously propose either an RCI or a referendum to question our right of citizenship, I think the Chinese minority should learn to have a little more awareness of how we are regarded by our fellow citizens — not only by the Malay majority but by the other races too.

              A referendum would provide an indication of how the others – really, truly – feel about the Chinese presence in Malaysia and this ‘revelation’ is a necessary wake-up call (doncha think?)

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          • 10. i hate n'sync  |  January 21, 2013 at 3:57 am

            The premise of that referendum you propose suggests that we all can vote each other in or out of being Malaysian. All I am saying is that we are not here in Malaysia by the noble largese of another. We are all here by birth and by our free will as provided in the Constitution. Nobody is chaining us to our nationality though, and many have voted with their feet. That’s a choice all Malaysians will have to make, and not one to be made for them by another. To deprive a man of his citizenship on the basis of some supposed or imagined slight is not just a crime, but an act of insanity. Even if the entire Chinese community are Communist sympathizers or Republican anti-monarchists, they can only be individually prosecuted for their actions, NOT their beliefs. Rule of law, not law of the jungle.

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            • 11. Helen Ang  |  January 21, 2013 at 11:26 am

              (1) re: “referendum you propose”

              Would the idea floated for consideration that it’s possible for the minority to be “voted off the island” (like the reality show Survivor) knock some sense into thick skulls?

              (2) I deem your comment above to be correct and logical. However is everyone as reasonable and clear-headed as you are? I see behaviour on both sides that can only be prompted by illogic; 308 really let the creepies crawl out of the woodwork.

              (3) re: “they can only be individually prosecuted for their actions, NOT their beliefs. Rule of law, not law of the jungle.”

              You make an astute observation. But let’s consider the Patrick Teoh case. Can he be prosecuted for his sceptical beliefs wrt to 5 times daily prayers and women covering up? They’re digging up some law that makes it an offence to disturb public order / offend religious sensitivities, with which to possibly charge him (or then again, perhaps just for show).

              Another commenter has been treading the same idea that ‘collective punishment’ is not legal vis-a-vis the ban on the Allah word, along the lines of what you say, i.e. “they can only be individually prosecuted for their actions, NOT their beliefs”.

              If really a lot of non-Malay, non-Muslims harbour beliefs identical to Patrick’s (i.e. the same ethos), then the law of the jungle will take over tit-for-tat.

              Ibrahim Ali’s call to burn the bible is one example.

              (i) Do those who object to Allah in the Bibles feel that IA’s method is the option that should not be on the cards at all?

              (ii) If they reject the IA method as uncouth, are there better and more peaceful ways for those Muslims (who object to Allah-bibles) to get their message across to the Christians?

              (iii) How have the Christians thus far responded to reasonable appeals and logical, scholarly explanations made by the “moderate” Muslims (as compared to the intemperate IA)?

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          • 12. calvinsankaran  |  January 21, 2013 at 12:12 pm

            The problem is that Dapsters and many non-bumis want to have their cake, eat it too and then want to get paid for eating it too.

            They now claim that their part of bargains from the Social Contract as unfair and an injustice and demand to be given same rights and privileges as the bumis. In any negotiations, you cannot just reject the previously agreed terms since you are duty bound to respect the agreement.

            You can re-open the negotiation and re-negotiate if the other party is willing but you got to remember that you are re-opening the can of worms since the other party too can make demands.

            I do agree that some of the parts of Social Contract should be re-examine in the context of 21st century. And based on my discussions with many bumis, they are too open and generous. However many bumis get upset when the non bumis start to demand more while accusing the bumis of treating the non bumis unfairly and as 2nd class citizens.

            This means the bumis willing to sit down and talk the the non bumis respect the original Social Contract and re-examine it in a civil and good natured way rather than in a confrontational manner.

            It is difficult to persuade when you still have Malaysian who speak English with an American/Australian/British accent after spending 3 years yet unable to converse in BM despite living in Malaysia for more than 20 years. So what kind of progress the non bumis have made in the last 6 decades to considered as equal citizens?

            It takes two hands to clap. If non bumis keep their confrontational stance while demanding for more rights while not showing any real progress in their commitment to the nation, then in my personal opinion is that it will be difficult to re-open the debate and negotiation.

            Many Chinese openly talk about migrating if they get a better job overseas. They claim victimization but would only move to rich First World country where they will have almost zero cultural, language and religious rights. They claim a lack of democracy but perfectly happy to work in Singapore or Middle East. This is what pisses the bumis.

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            • 13. Helen Ang  |  January 21, 2013 at 12:56 pm

              Calvin,

              I ‘like’ your comment. Thumbs up.

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          • 14. jonnymalaya  |  January 21, 2013 at 12:15 pm

            Helen, for #3, that would be enough for Perkasa goons to get their pants in a knot & make yet another police report against you. Followed by a long visit to the police station.

            Regarding a referendum, there was a poll conducted last year to gauge levels of trust among the 3 races…

            Malays generally do not trust Chinese & Indians
            Chinese don’t trust Malays & Indians in general
            but the Indians generally trust Malays & Chinese

            http://www.merdeka.org/pages/02_research.html

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            • 15. Helen Ang  |  January 21, 2013 at 12:45 pm

              :) We’ll have to read the details of the law. There’s something governing national emblems. But I haven’t vandalized the flag or done anything (e.g. step, burn) to it to be charged.

              Just hold opinion that Sang Saka is prettier and the British East India Co. template does not appeal to me. Perhaps it appeals to the Hannah Banana types.

              LOL at Indian poll results. That’s why all the May 13 talk is Malay vs Chinese, Chinese vs Malay.

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          • 16. i hate n'sync  |  January 21, 2013 at 1:58 pm

            (1) “voted off the island”

            Not that THAT hasn’t happened before. Whether it is DERACINATION (forced migration) or GENOCIDE, some Malaysians can be a displaced people faster than you can say “aye”. We have to ask ourselves if the idea is not already in circulation. It is common in Malaysia to suggest that people who disagree with you on several national issues are less patriotic – hence the popular “kalau tak suka kamu boleh blah dari sini”.

            (2) …reasonable and clear-headed…

            We will know in the next GE and the many GEs to come, hopefully. Healthy skepticism is good for everyone, and hardcore BN and PR supporters should get a strong dosage now and then. Of course, voters have to make a choice, and ideally such calculated choices should be made after rational considerations and thought. I think the basic principle is still voting for the candidate, not the party. That is why anti-hopping laws, while solving the headache of party whips, will actually undermine the basic idea of voting in first-past-the-post system. Vote for the best candidate, regardless of the party colours, and if you are not informed enough to make a decision, please abstain. I know, everyone SHOULD vote, but looking at the level of intelligence of the masses, I wonder about that maxim often.

            (3) Can he (Patrick Teoh) be prosecuted for his sceptical beliefs wrt to 5 times daily prayers and women covering up?

            There is this running joke about sedition laws – you will only get into trouble if a lot of people noticed your crap. I mean, I have read much worse thrashtalk, but since they are neither Ibrahim Ali or Patrick Teoh, nobody gives a flying f. You ask me if his DISBELIEF of basic tenets under the Islamic faith could be prosecuted. Of course not, both muslims and non-muslims could be kafir (munafik or musyrik). This is the trouble with morality laws and trying to legislate the impossible. Yes, perhaps Patrick Teoh fits the bill as a Muharribin, not a Musalim (think in terms of kafir harbi and kafir dhimmi), but the last time I checked, Malaysia is not a state bound by Islamic covenants but by the Constitution. The Constitution did provide for prosecution against instigators against public peace and order, and you know, he is most likely being investigated under THAT, like many of our other blogger friends who crossed some imaginary sensitivities i.e. royalty, oil royalty, PPSMI, SRJK(C), non-Malay citizenship, you know, any general topic that offended some people but not personally (that would be defamation).

            So, probably Patrick’s problem is with power comes great responsibility. You seek to be a channel or a voice of the masses (I think uncle represents a very unique foul-mouthed clique), but you cannot escape the scrutiny that comes with the attention.

            The “Allah” controversy is really simple if our men of the cloth will be honest and come clean about the purpose of using the term in the Malay bibles. Sure, there is justification that we need Malay bibles, but to claim that the Bahasa Malaysia name for Yahweh or Elohim is Allah is crossing quite a distance in terms of theological semantics. What I feel really funny is, the Abrahamic religions really know how to pick a fight. The solution is clear and simple, if Malay bibles can continue to use Allah in place of God or Elohim or Yahweh, I mean, people in the Middle East use “As-salam alaykum” freely to greet each other, regardless of their faith. It was not explained that the suffix “wa Rahmatullahi wa barakatuh” is the part that makes it distinct for Muslims. Some traditional scholars have maintained it is haram to salam non-muslims. The real question here, Islamic scholars’ lack of consensus aside, is how do you plan to control incorrect applications of religious norms. So you want to ban Malay bibles to use Allah in print. However, there is no way we can restrict its use in our everyday lives by very strange Christian evangelists.

            To call for burning of the bible is another example of stupidity in action. It is apparent to many of us the duplicitous nature of the intent to confuse Elohim and Allah. Isn’t the whole idea in the very beginning is to make God closer to its flock? Isn’t the whole idea of Allah for Yahweh is to help the people know Him better through a localised name? Aren’t the evangelists going to say that my Allah is better than your Allah, since clearly, the Muslims use no other name for their God than that (plus the 99 descriptors i.e. the Merciful, the All Powerful etc. etc. etc.)?

            Perhaps this is why many non-muslims missed the point.

            (i) Do those who object to Allah in the Bibles feel that IA’s method is the option that should not be on the cards at all?

            People who are frustrated must learn to reason and communicate their disagreements so that the blind (in both literal and the symbolic sense) can be made to see the point. It is not so much that the Muslims are gazetting the word (they have already done so in many states, plus a few other choice words), but the fact that they are trying to differentiate their faith with their Abrahamic cousins. So, this is a question of how a minority faith is trying to bend the custom of the majority. It is like the Chinese education movement trying to punch above its weight. Our muslim brethern must pick a fight on a ground it can win, and the victory does not lie in the Home Affairs Ministry (i.e. politics) but through the State religious authorities (i.e. the crown and the religious bodies). I have already stated before that the Islamic affairs is a state matter, and while Syariah law could not affect non-muslims, we have under the Constitution provided for the protection of Islam. On that solid footing, specific Islamic terms can be restricted in print. It does not mean Malay bibles will be banned. On the contrary, Malay bibles should be allowed, but like all publication requirements, you either conform or you deny your flock a Malay version of the holy book, simply because you are not willing to use another word with many synonyms.

            So who’s the sinner here in the eyes of “God”? Patrick Teoh is just another unthinking Christian, and I doubt he ever used the Malay bible or pray to “Allah”. Even if we are talking about our Sabah and Sarawak friends, it is clear that it has never been a problem with the Allah in Malay bible convention THERE. So clearly this is a localized issue, not a national one, and why should the Semenanjung folks and the entire country be thrown into a dispute that has little relevance either way?

            The Christian priests, pastors, fathers and churches will look back at this incident and realize the mistake they have done to try and use politics to advance a very fragile beach-head. I personally hold the Herald responsible, but equal blame is on the Home Affairs Minister for failing to set the right terms of engagement.

            Secretly, I want to believe this Allah issue is UMNO’s way of regaining their lost Malay votes. If the Chinese and Indians are already goners, what is the best way to draw back the Malays – an aggressive and stupid Church, of course. The Allah debate will be milked for all that it is worth, trust me. I know I would.

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          • 17. jonnymalaya  |  January 21, 2013 at 3:16 pm

            >> It is difficult to persuade when you still have Malaysian who speak English with an American/Australian/British accent after spending 3 years yet unable to converse in BM despite living in Malaysia for more than 20 years. So what kind of progress the non bumis have made in the last 6 decades to considered as equal citizens?

            Calvin,

            Bawani speaks good Bahasa Malaysia, compared to Sharifah Zohra who babbled in rojak BM. Yet, Sharifah’s supporters tell her to go back to India, and call her a ‘keling’

            The point really is… even though your BM is good, even though you studied in a national school, and study in a local university… to these ethno chauvinists, you are still a kafir 2nd class citizen not worth of equal rights.

            You are ok so long as you agree & yield submission to whatever they dictate. Step out of line, and you are a “chinky christo keling communist who needs to be stripped of your citizenship”, or something like that…

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            • 18. Helen Ang  |  January 21, 2013 at 3:31 pm

              JM,

              While the situation is far from ideal wrt “ethno chauvinists”, at least the “chinky christo keling communist” name-caller does not have a cheerleading squad in this blog.

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          • 19. jonnymalaya  |  January 21, 2013 at 3:30 pm

            >> :) We’ll have to read the details of the law. There’s something governing national emblems. But I haven’t vandalized the flag or done anything (e.g. step, burn) to it to be charged.

            >> Just hold opinion that Sang Saka is prettier and the British East India Co. template does not appeal to me. Perhaps it appeals to the Hannah Banana types.

            Even that opinion will get a (created) uproar from the Perkasa & ultra-right types… and calls to send you to Kamunting, withdraw your citizenship, and burning at the stake. In fact, your brush with the cops was the result of those same far-right people making a police report because they thought you insulted the Ruler…

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            • 20. Helen Ang  |  January 21, 2013 at 3:42 pm

              (1) Obviously a misplaced charge like “insulting the ruler” (konon) won’t stick.

              (2) I did not feel that there was a strong public backlash against me at that time. Certain quarters could indeed have mengapi-apikan keadaan but nobody among the Malays or Muslims hated me enough to stick a knife in me (speaking metaphorically, not literally), partly b’cos I do not use rude or rough language to make myself a sitting duck.

              If anything, that episode showed me through personal and practical experience that people (in this case Malay Muslims) were more restrained that generally assumed.

              (3) Subsequently after my fallout with the Pakatan crowd on Allah Round #1 (2010), I was shown how much worse the hardcore DAP supporters are capable of behaving (in comparison with the brush-with-cops event).

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          • 21. jonnymalaya  |  January 21, 2013 at 4:59 pm

            >> (1) Obviously a misplaced charge like “insulting the ruler” (konon) won’t stick.

            And it won’t. Whether that stops the right wingers for wasting police time, your time, and their time… is another matter.

            >> (2) I did not feel that there was a strong public backlash against me at that time. Certain quarters could indeed have mengapi-apikan keadaan but nobody among the Malays or Muslims hated me enough to stick a knife in me (speaking metaphorically, not literally), partly b’cos I do not use rude or rough language to make myself a sitting duck.
            If anything, that episode showed me through personal and practical experience that people (in this case Malay Muslims) were more restrained that generally assumed.

            Of course, since it wasn’t a race that was angry at you. The whole ‘controversy’ was made up by the Perkasa far-right UMNO tin kosongs, besides their empty threats to burn Bibles, and declare jihad on everybody. And, it wasn’t the Pakatan people who made a police report on you to the point that you got interrogated. It isn’t Pakatan people who threaten critics with physical harm & genocide.

            >> (3) Subsequently after my fallout with the Pakatan crowd on Allah Round #1 (2010), I was shown how much worse the hardcore DAP supporters are capable of behaving (in comparison with the brush-with-cops event).

            But then again, we have people writing about slaying non Muslims or non Malays on Helen’s own blog, but she mostly pretends it didn’t happen… gotta keep the customers, no?

            But if someone makes a funny Twitter post about her, we’ll get an over 1000-word essay that somehow involves Star newspaper.

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            • 22. Helen Ang  |  January 21, 2013 at 5:14 pm

              JM,

              A number of commenters and other bloggers (who blogroll me under ‘thinker blog” and such labels) have complimented that this is a thinking person’s forum. This praise does not reflect on just me one individual but pn the overall participation.

              I can give credit to my readers’ rationality.

              So when a fringe comment comes in about “slaying non Muslims or non Malays”, do you think it’s necessary for me to respond and if yes, what do you recommend I say?

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          • 23. jonnymalaya  |  January 21, 2013 at 5:48 pm

            >> A number of commenters and other bloggers (who blogroll me under ‘thinker blog” and such labels) have complimented that this is a thinking person’s forum.

            And large majority of them who praise your blog happen to be pro BN or pro-rightwing, anti-Pakatan people.

            >> This praise does not reflect on just me one individual but pn the overall participation.

            …who are largely pro BN rightwingers who dislike Pakatan, and ripe to have their perpetual hysteria directed towards the Christians.

            >> I can give credit to my readers’ rationality.
            So when a fringe comment comes in about “slaying non Muslims or non Malays”, do you think it’s necessary for me to respond and if yes, what do you recommend I say?

            But a fringe one-liner comment from people like sshn gets a response from you. Touché!

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            • 24. Helen Ang  |  January 21, 2013 at 5:57 pm

              I concur that it is similarly unnecessary to respond to Sshsn’s fringe and irrational one liners.

              And yet I usually layan Sshsn. Now why?

              It’s a game of patience lah. Let’s see if he’ll wear out his shampoo obsession first or whether I’ll get tired sooner of reminding him not to miss his City Harvest Church service.

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    • 25. calvinsankaran  |  January 21, 2013 at 3:59 pm

      Reply to johnnymalaya # 17:

      The problem with Dapsters and the Jerusubangites who have been indoctrined and brain-washed by Mkini and MI is that the they can’t see the trees for the forest. They tend to (deliberately that is) to generalize the views of the bumis based on the outliers and extremists among them like Perkasa and Norhayati.

      Just like we cannot hold all Chinese as racists because Ngeh and Patrick Teoh’s moronic utterances, or DZ’s thuggish stance, by the same token we cannot accuse the Malays of being racist because of some idiotic people.

      Compare the fate of non Muslims in Malaysia to the situation of Tamils in Sri Lanka and Muslims in India. These minorities despite living in some of the most democratic and secular countries, suffer not just discrimination but physical violence of extreme scale.

      Have you see some of the FB pages operated by some Chinese/Dapsters ? There are actually private FB pages that dedicated to Chinese who hate Malays. You should also read those pages before commenting. The same goes to Indians too. Some of the responses to Bawani – Sharifah case was shocking to say the least (FYI I can read Tamil) where they have turned the whole issue into a racial one. And 10 out of 10, these people are Pakatan supporters who want to kill BN by invoking racism.

      I don’t think the average Malay on the street expects the non bumis to be grateful to them. But the bumis resent when the non bumis accuse them to be as to be treated as 2nd class citizen despite enjoying obvious economic, religious and cultural freedom. If I am a Malay, I would be upset too.

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      • 26. jonnymalaya  |  January 21, 2013 at 4:28 pm

        No one here is generalizing the Malays of being racist, or claiming that rightwingers like Perkasa’s antics & ideology represent Malay thinking & behaviour. Thats a red herring you’re putting out.

        In fact, earlier you were generalizing, when you asked “what progress have nonbumis made to be considered as equal citizens?” Contradict much?

        What I notice is many of those people who read & comment on alternative media are able to tell the difference between Malays & UMNO supporters, Chinese & MCA or DAP/PKR, etc.

        The same can’t be said for most BN fans as they will always go “Malay this”, “Chinese that”, “Indian are all”. I read through pro-BN websites, heck, even Utusan… and this is the notion I get.

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        • 27. calvinsankaran  |  January 21, 2013 at 4:51 pm

          jonny..That’s hilarious! That Miki readers able to differentiate. Just like the neo cons, if you support PR then you are a hero and if you don’t then you are sub-zero. That’s how you diffrentiate. The Malays like Tengku Aziz you put on a pedestal as A Towering Malay but the moment he left DAP he became a pariah. Aspan and Sak used to be the typical UMNO Malays but the moment they joined DAP they are the Towering Malays.

          That’s exactly the problem with you and the rest of the Pakatoon crowd. For you folks the UMNO Malays are racists, MCA Chinese are corrupted towkays and MIC Indians low caste uneducated.

          When PAS protests music concerts or ban cheongsams, you don’t accuse them of being extremists but you embrace them and try to cover up the issue so that Pakatan can be kept together. It doesn’t matter if PKR Malays take bribe, it must be a set up. Or the amount is small compared to what UMNO leaders allegedly took.

          BTW, I did not meant you generalized all Malays. What you were implying is that those Malays who support UMNO are cast as racists.

          BTW, you know nothing about Utusan other than what Mkini or MI says. If you read Suara Keadilan, The Rocket or the Harakah, their reports are so biased and full of hate. But UM is a normal newspaper not a hate rag as Pakatan makes it out to be. They do take strong position in certain issues but so do some Christian pastors and priests and publications. Why don’t you accuse them as racists / religious extremists?

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          • 28. jonnymalaya  |  January 21, 2013 at 5:35 pm

            >> BTW, you know nothing about Utusan other than what Mkini or MI says. If you read Suara Keadilan, The Rocket or the Harakah, their reports are so biased and full of hate. But UM is a normal newspaper not a hate rag as Pakatan makes it out to be. They do take strong position in certain issues but so do some Christian pastors and priests and publications. Why don’t you accuse them as racists / religious extremists?

            Read closely. I said I read Utusan, in addition to pro-BN websites. They’re all full of generalization on ethnic groups and their editorials & news tries to pit Malays against other races. Almost every issue will be twisted into a racial one.

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          • 29. i hate n'sync  |  January 21, 2013 at 6:05 pm

            To be fair, humans do generalize. So, whether we like it or not, every time a Patrick Teoh niamah-ed Islam, the label stuck for some when it comes to reinforcing prevalent stereotypes.

            Perhaps JM has experienced the BN mob more often than the PR mob. I think the point here is whether our perspectives are just equally as tainted. When relativity fails, we must try and look at more objective measures.

            People have lamented that the nation’s ethnic relations are worsening. I think considering the polarisation and lack of inter-ethnic understanding in a more connected (and congested) world, we are doing quite ok. You have got bigots everywhere, and we are, by many standards, doing quite ok on the race relations front. It is never easy to have a multiracial society, and the balancing act is precarious. We have managed to share this space in time for over half a century, so lets try not to forget that whatever BN’s failures were, it is a model copied by PR itself. PR only became viable with DAP, PKR & PAS. Over time, perhaps PR will strike a balance at preserving the rights of all Malaysians, regardless of race and religion, but we have to be honest, Perikatan laid the foundation, and our founding statesmen understood the need to make compromises.

            If Malaysians today forgot about the main idea of Independence – a united, sovereign people charting its own path and future, you get a bunch of morons yelling about their supposed rights but never about their responsibilities TO EACH OTHER.

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  • 30. shamshul anuar  |  January 19, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    Helen,

    Rest assured Helen. Malay’s generosity towards non Malays or even ‘pendatang haram’ is a source of beauty and inspiration.

    I have enough of these ungrateful people who continue to portray UMNO (by extension Malays) as racist.

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    • 31. Daily reader  |  January 20, 2013 at 4:42 am

      Yes, that is something their Malay allies within DAP and from PAS and PKR should think about. They are helping the people who views them in very negative way. Only way they like you if you act like their lapdogs, and when you go against them you are treated like stray dogs.

      The point is made stronger when you consider Patrick Teoh’s recent outburst, condemning the entire Malaysian Muslims when his beef was with PAS. He insulted people that would include all the sultans, somebody should point that out.

      Not only they treat Malays in DAP like nobodies, they also want to direct PAS as well with Karpal’s newest statement.

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  • 32. calvinsankaran  |  January 21, 2013 at 11:49 am

    Sorry for diverting a little from this lively and interesting debate. Coming back to Sabah situation, you folks might be interested to know that one of the key players behind the issuing of ICs to the pinoys are none other than the Great Snake Oil Salesman aka God-Sent. The RCI will, in the coming days, hear on the role played by Anwar.

    While Tun did have a hand in it, Anwar played a key and leading role. If DAP think, the RCI is going to help them in the coming GE by blackening BN’s name, they are sadly mistaken. In fact I am not sure if DAP is even aware of the role Anwar played.

    If you notice, Anwar’s been rather less vocal on this issue all along.

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  • 33. I.D.A.  |  January 21, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    kesian kat nizar. dia bukan lagi mb tapi masih twit pakai akaun @mbnizar. dia ni bukan gila talak, dia epilepsi.

    Reply

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