You note:

‘…If the non-Malay oppo continues with the current trajectory that is driving PAS and Umno into each other’s arms, then I wouldn’t be surprised if Islamic State and entrenched Malay privileges were legitimately made constitutional by a future Parliament if both the Malay-Muslim parties and the native-Muslim PBB between them can manage to muster a 2/3 majority….”

I agree with you.

My hypothesis is that Islam and Malay culture is not compatible with a liberal democracy. What Malay-Muslims want is a majoritarian democracy i.e. that the might of numbers matter. They are not into the rule of law or liberal democracy (equality of citizens, individual freedom, protection of minority rights, separation of state and religion).

The best illustration is that while it is perfectly acceptable, in fact encouraged by the Malay-Muslims, that the Malay Sultans, Malay-Muslim right wing clerics, Malay-Muslims right wing groups, Malay-Muslims right wing academics, Malay right wing senior civil servants, NGOs, etc to promote further the rights of Malay-Muslims (often undemocratically through the abuse of secular institutions), the Malay-Muslims find it offensive when non-Muslims use Constitutional means to defend or advocate their rights (courts, the right to associate, the right to voice their opinions, etc.).

You are right that when non-Muslims and progessive Muslims use these Constitutionally guaranteed freedom to voice their opinions, they will drive conservative Muslims together by appealing to Malay-Muslim insecurities (Malay nationalism is after all an artificially created construct that is held together by THE OTHER).

http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2012/12/02/the-pathologies-of-malay-nationalism/)

I guess if we believe in freedom of choice, then we leave it to individuals to make their choices. But obviously, the (majority) Malay-Muslims have a different understanding of democracy.

I for one (while I fight for a secular state), do wish that Malaysia becomes an Islamic state in GE13. Then I would know for sure how Malay-Muslims as a collective thinks, and would validate my hypothesis that Malaysia’s problem lies not with UMNO or PAS, but with the Malay-Muslim society.

UMNO is now using religion as its main electoral strategy. In other words it is creating a “culture war” [Will send you my forthcoming article on this] against PR betting that most Malay-Muslims will suspend logic/rational thinking and vote for BN/UMNO if it can paint PR as infidels or apostates to defend Islam and Malay culture (however defined).

I can’t gauge what ordinary Malay-Muslims will vote on this.

And fully agree with you, that if UMNO wins on this strategy, then for sure, Malaysia would have made the definitive term (in spirit and in letters) towards an Islamic state (irrespective of what PAS does).

Look forward to an interesting GE13.

It’s unfortunate that Art.160 defining the Malay – which was descriptive – has become prescriptive.

On what you ask, I think it’s a balance. For example if the spirit of the American Const. enjoins separation of Church and State, then the highest judges (American Supreme Court) and their subordinate courts would rule to preserve what is enshrined in their Const.

Let’s say a fascist party sprang up in the USA and propagated and acted upon a doctrine that is against the American Const., they (the fascist party members) would be checked by the processes of law along the way.

However the American judicial system is more disciplined in upholding their Const. than we are ours.

In practical terms, it’s is possible and even likely that the PAS and Umno aspirations meet should the non-Malay opposition keep up with their present chest-thumping behaviour, particularly on the Allah issue.

Our FedCon was amended before with Art. 121(A).

If the non-Malay oppo continues with the current trajectory that is driving PAS and Umno into each other’s arms, then I wouldn’t be surprised if Islamic State and entrenched Malay privileges were legitimately made constitutional by a future Parliament if both the Malay-Muslim parties and the native-Muslim PBB between them can manage to muster a 2/3 majority.

Just wondering what your views are on this following proposition:

Statement: That the rules of the game are set by the Federal Constitution (that people are free to associate, and propagate their views) .

Therefore if PAS wants to propagate for an Islamic state – it is entirely within their Constitutional right, even if it means that the Constitution and the nature of Malaysia will be fundamentally changed.

That UMNO has the right to propagate for a Malay supremacist state.

The above holds IF and only IF, these political parties stay true to free and fair elections as a means of choosing who the government is?

Maharja Katolik Kristian telah menghantar paderi Al burqurque untuk menyerang dan membunuh Raja dan orang Melayu di Melaka.

Mereka mendirikan gereja dan membawa paderi mereka untuk menyebarkan ugama katolik. Ini dipanggil orang sebagai penjajahan dari eropah.

Tetapi kita tidak diajar ini adalah serangan dan penjajahan dari ugama Katolik Krisitian yand di ketuai Pope yang dijemput oleh Najib menghantar wakilnya minggu depan.

Kenapa jemput ugama yang jahat dan membunuh orang Melayu. Wallahu allam. Mungkin Najib dipengaruhi oleh Kristian Cina dan India di sekelilingnya seperti Tony Fernandes. Vincent Tan etc.

Mereka ini hanya nak nama Inggeris kerana malu dengan asal usul Keling dan Cina kontrak mereka.

Kita selalu keliru dengan orang Eropah atau US yang liberal dan baik sekarang. Mereka ini tapi tidak mempercayai bible. Malah bible diharamkan disekolah mereka kerana tahyul dan dongeng.

Tetapi Najib benarkan di Sabah dan sarawak supaya native di sana kekal dengan tahyul eropah.

Orang Eropah sendiri telah mengalami kekajaman paderi katolik seperti altar boys di rogol oleh paderi katolik. Spanish inquisition dimana perempuan dibakar hidup2. Ini semua ajaran kristian katolik jangan pula kita tak tahu.

Kini Pope menggunakan pendatang Cina dan India untuk menggugat kerajaan Melayu Islam di Malaya. Sedangkan JAKIM pula hanya sibuk mengharamkan Valentine day oleh kekasih!

Punya bahlol, Melayu asyik sibuk soal sex luar nikah, kemaluan aurat sedangkan tauhid nama tuhan tak pula JAKIM bising.

Melayu perlu berubah dan mengamalkan Islam sendiri. Iran ada Islam sendiri, Indonesia ada Islam sendiri Syria lain, jadi kita tak perlu malu mengubah Islam supaya moden dan moderate.

True, not all prophets/messengers are mentioned in the Quran. Mayb u wud like to look up the difference between Nabi dan Rasul. While both receives divine messages, their scope of work on spreading the word of God is quite different.

Riduan Tee, in my personal opinion is quite correct. IMPO also thinks the same about Siddharta Gautama….to name a few. His teaching was relatively the same as we Muslim preach on going with our daily lives.

Moses was the ‘leader’ of them tribes who’s mission was to save themselves from the enslavement in Egypt. Isn’t that sumsort of ‘administrative position’? btw, he defied the pharoah’s divinity which was the ‘political position’ of them ancient egyptians. Doesnt that shows he is also a political leader as well?

N thanx to Moses too, decendents of Moses’s tribes found the ancient state of Israel (Judea n Samaria) by politics n conquest…

Why mention “brethren,” why not say “among the Ishmaelites” or among the Arabs. Why should God even foretell the coming of a prophet? Besides, Muslims claim that every nation has been sent a prophet and that these prophets are not mentioned by name in the quran.

Why our great Ridhuan Tee even claimed and I quote “Jika kajian dibuat, berkemungkinan Konfucius adalah salah seorang daripada ribuan nabi dalam Islam.” in “Jangan terlalu berkira” (Al Islam bulan Okt 2010). Marrying, begetting, having born of a father and mother aren’t traits that are solely Muhammad’s.

Muhammad like Moses? you got to be kidding me. The guy couldn’t even part an oasis, but Moses parted a sea. There are no tombs for Moses. We also know Moses didn’t occupy a political or administrative position. Moses’ descendants did not occupy positions of power either.