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Playing DUMC / Kristian hanya buat bodoh

Dua belas orang Muslim yang menyertai acara kenduri kesyukuran di dewan serbaguna Damansara Utama Methodist Church (DUMC) telah memasang peguam Cina – Lim Heng Seng dan Hoi Jack S’ng.

Nampak ketara bahawa kedua-dua orang loyar tersebut sedang cuba berdolak-dalih dan menimbulkan alasan-alasan teknikal supaya akan dapat ditangguhkan sesi soalsiat Jais yang mana anak guam mereka dikehendaki hadir.

Terdapat tiga kemusykilan yang masih belum terjawab:

(1)   Kenapa program makan malam yang dianjurkan NGO bukan-Islam mahu menyelit nyanyian ‘Alhamdulillah’ dan ‘Allahuakhbar’?

(2)   Mengapa soalan kuiz Islam diedarkan kepada para peserta oleh pihak penganjur yang sudah pasti tidak bertauliah apalagi untuk mencampurtangani perkara-perkara yang bersangkut-paut dengan akidah umat Islam? (Lapan orang kanak-kanak Muslim juga turut berada di dalam dewan ketika itu).

(3)   Adakah wajar kuiz tersebut mengemukakan soalan yang antaranya berbunyi: “Berapa kali nama Isa disebut di dalam Al-Quran?” Dan kenapa pula kertas kuiz itu dijumpai habis pecah carik dalam tong sampah?

Perkara-perkara sebegini agak mencurigakan lalu umat Islam memang patut sangsi terhadap penjelasan terbalik lidah yang mampu setakat ini disajikan oleh gereja.

Ada udang sebalik batu

Sila baca juga sebuah posting ditulis pada tahun lepas oleh Sharifuddin A. Latiff yang membongkarkan betapa liciknya Chan Lilian berputar-belit.

(Chan Lilian ialah petugas di Jabatan Media Lim Guan Eng yang dipanggil polis untuk beri keterangan berhubung tweetnya yang menyebut: “Saya berpendapat semua penganut Kristian di negara ini harus berarak ke atas semua penganiayaan yang mereka telah lakukan ke atas kita.”)

Sharifuddin juga pernah berkata bahawa majikan Chan Lilian, yakni ketua menteri Pulau Pinang itu terlalu gemar “berlagak dirinya lebih Islam daripada kita orang Melayu sendiri” dan bagaimana Guan Eng “cuba menunjukkan DAP boleh lebih Islam daripada PAS campur Umno sekaligus”.

Apakah niat terselindung paderi dan mubaligh Kristian serta politikus-politikus pembangkang Kristian ini?

Khabarnya saf kepimpinan Cina DAP yang beragama Buddha/Daoisme pun kurang menyenangi tindak-tanduk rakan-rakan puak Kristian mereka.

Untuk membaca bagaimana Lim Guan Eng memperlekehkan Hari Wesak serta menyeru kepada penyokongnya yang bukan-Islam supaya bersama-sama menentang “perang jihad” Ibrahim Ali, sila klik sini.

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31 thoughts on “Playing DUMC / Kristian hanya buat bodoh

  1. I wonder why those 12 muslims attended this dinner in a church during fasting month. Aren’t they suppose to be fasting and breaking fast during that time?

    1. i wonder why people are so quick to pass judgment on others without bothering to even lift a finger to help the underprivileged.

      1. I wonder why people are so quick to convert using trickery and bribes on the destitute instead of helping them sincerely or show the merits of their religion.

    2. The road to hell is paved with good intentions

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      Hi Shalela, Your comment somehow landed in spam. I’ve just retrieved it. My apology for not checking earlier. — Helen

  2. The 12 were there because of the FAILURE of the Government & Muslim Organisations to take care of their poor and downtrodden.

    Helen Ang just has a beef with Christianity and the DAP – don’t know why.

    1. Ju,

      I wonder how do you know that the 12 were there because of the FAILURE of Government and Muslim organisation to take care of the poor and downtrodden.

      Perhaps you were there and that’s how you knew. The Islamic affairs is with the state and if they are poor or downtrodden, they go and see their representative i.e. MPs and Rep. Shouldn’t you be saying that the failure is with PR government?

      It is always convenient to blame the government isn’t it. By the way are you referring to state or federal government?

      And it is ironic that they were there when (as Muslims) they should be going to the mosque. And let me tell you, these people were probably not truthful when seeking assistance from the Muslim organisations.

      Federal govt. should be spared from the blame for the weaknesses in Selangor government. Hasn’t it occur to you why is it only in the past 3 years Christianity become more brazen in Selangor?

      1. Obvious isn’t it? If they had been given appropriate aid why is there a need to receive aid from a Christian organisation? I don’t think that the DUMC personnel could physically drag and force them to be there. The way people like you go on it is as if they were forced to be there.

    2. It doesnt matter. me myself as a Muslim given charity to non-muslim unconditionally. but the above shows that the Church has other agendas rather just being a good samartians i.e. there is a basis for JAIS raid. not too complicated isn’t it?

      1. @guest, the complication part is “raid”.

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        Hua Yong,

        Unfortunately for non-Muslims, there are many laws under both syariah and civil that leave us vulnerable in situations as above — so it is, like you say, “complicated”. However, if we were to read in BM accounts of the enforcement action on DUMC, it’s slightly different from what the English alternative media are reporting. The Malay articles say that the Jais officers were prevented from entering and had to wait outside for quite a while. It’s not as if they were troopers in balaclavas who stormed the premises. — Helen

    3. Ju,
      You mean the FAILURE of the (SELANGOR) Government???
      Why Do Pembankang Rakyat (PR) Supporters ALWAYS Like To Blame Others???
      Any SIMILARITY to Al-Juburi???
      When PR Supporters have Constipations, They WILL Still Blame Others!!!

      1. It refers to whichever governing party or Muslim organisations are responsible for providing for poor Muslims – if this is under Federal or State Government (not sure which party oversees Zakat as I’m not Muslim) than that party is responsible. You sound silly to assume that I am any party supporter.

  3. Carry on wondering guys. If you can open up your minds and seriously think about the whole thing then you would probably alreday have the answer. Just be true to yourselves and stop being insincere.

  4. @Helen, i don’t know which media present the truth version, but that is beyond the point. My retort is to let our guest know i don’t see there is basis to raid by referring to what he wrote, what do you think?

  5. saya amat berminat utk membaca lirik lagu2 alhamdulillah dan allahuakbar itu. mungkin sdri helen boleh membantu? tkasih.

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    Saudara pernah memberi komen di mKini tatkala saya kolumnis dulu? :-D

    Untuk mencari senikata kedua-dua lagu itu, cubalah Google. Setahu saya, ada ramai blogger-blogger lain yang membuat liputan bab DUMC ini. Mungkin saudara akan memperolehi butiran yang lebih terperinci daripada mereka.

    1. ya benar. sdri masih ingat? tkasih

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      TQ kerana sudi singgah sejenak — sebenarnya lagi penat memblog berbanding dengan menulis kolum!

      1. haha, memblog bermakna sdri kini mempunyai ‘rumah’ sendiri, sedangkan menjadi kolumnis hanyalah menumpang sebentar di rumah orang. tentulah ‘letih’nya berbeza! selamat memblog!

      2. ya tentu sekali kerana sdri kini menyelenggara ‘rumah’ sendiri dan tidak lagi menumpang di ‘hotel’!

        dalam pada itu, saya mahu berkongsi sesuatu dgn sdri dan mungkin juga pembaca lain berhubung isu jais-dumc ini. mudah-mudahan ia dpt menjelaskan sesuatu, terutama tentang sikap dan pandangan dunia seorang muslim:

        “strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the jews and the pagans (al-yahuda wal-ladzina asyraku); and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say: “we are christians” (inna nasara), because among them there are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world and they are not arrogant.

        “and when they listen to the revelation received by the apostle, thou wilt see their eyes overflowing with tears, for they recognise the truth. they pray: “our lord, we believe (rabbana amanna), write us down among the witnesses”. (al-maidah: 85-86, the holy quran, text and translation by a. yusuf ali, third edition (1938), pgs 268-9)

  6. The Jais personnels were there , theres no dispute about that, and they were there with a cause to investigate only the “so called muslims ” presence . For those who are staunch in the christian faiths no need to worry , they will not harm you all who are present there that evening.Why the delay in admitting those Jais guys. what I’ve read they were, refused entry and were waiting for half an hour before being admitted. During that 1/2 hour , if any wrong doings or evidence with the intent to “brainwash” the “so called muslims” , ample time was there with the oppurtunity to shred or torn and thrown into the dustbins. I believed such evidence have been found at the premise as presently shown in most pro islamics blogs! No force was exerted neither any harsh verbal exchanges was presented, they were there to investigate the presence of “muslims” in the church premises, any big deal so far?Any documented muslim is subjected to the syariah law, So for the 12 persons dont buat tak tau hal ni! Berani buat berani tanggung, even in the christian faiths , the lord jesus willingly allowed himself to be crucified to uphold his beliefs. Then the 12 persons should be brave enough to come forward and prove their innocence. Or is there any ego dented? The quiz which was given to those “muslims”, why , is there any qualified muslim muftis, or even ustaz was present to grade their answers? Can I being a muslim to grade your answers in the quiz presented towards your faiths? Why were there an avenue to sing Allahuakbar and what not? Lets be frank, if you all disagree with me, then I propose that every sunday masses, lets have a must song to sing every sunday beginning with this allahuakbar song before the church starts its congregation, what say you all my christian friends? I strongly believe this have been misconstrued politically with parties who have ill intents.

  7. Before Penjelasan:

    DAP: “GIve proof of any conversions!”

    Reverend Paul: “Show proofs, if not we sue the government”.

    PAS: “What JAIS is doing has nothing to do with us. JAIS is from UMNO, remember?”

    PKR: “We must all refrain from blaming DUMC before we get any penjelasan from JAIS”.

    After Penjelasan and Proofs from JAIS:

    PKR: “We issue gag order. No one must talk about it to the press. Everyone must refrain from discussing it for the sake of Pakatan Unity”.

    PAS:”&^%@$#*”

    Reverend Paul: “—”

    DAP: “Price of fish now reduced due to kind heartedness of DAP government”

    Father Paul McCartney

    1. DAP: “Price of fish now reduced due to kind heartedness of DAP government”

      hahhahaha

  8. Funny, I think Malaysia is the only nation in the world that a religion is inherited and many laws is put in place to protect it. I wonder, is this how religion is taught: You have no choice but to accept that you are born with it and laws ensure you maintain your faith. The joke is that some people talk about it with almost pride. Well, for me, religion is free will and you do it with faith. If you have faith and it is free will, I wonder what is the problem?. Fellow believer need to help their brother and sister by teaching and guild them to understand the beauty of the religion and welfare is also very important. However, never mind the above, it is just food for thought. The real thing is that in Malaysia, the main stream christian will never dared trying to convert the muslim because they know how sensitive it is. But I think it is fair to say that we do not know what the ” outside main stream christian” is doing. Missionary from oversea or specific sect of christianity might not understand the sensitivity of this issue in Malaysia. So, please do not point finger that christian in Malaysia had the agenda to convert muslim to christianity. DUMC is from the main stream christian and as such I doubt they dared trying to convert muslim.

    1. Dear James,
      You may have a point when saying that religion is something out of free will. But In Islam, once you are a Muslim, you shall be a Muslim for life. If you leave, the penalty is death under hudud.

      Let me ask you, when you were born, did you follow your parents’ religion? Were you taught the basic tenets of their religion and its practice? And do you still follow their religion or have you found a new religion out of your “free will”?

      The problem is not about the mainstream Christians trying to convert – because they would understand how hurtful it is when a member of their religion converts to another religion.

      I suppose the problem lies with the B.As Christians who unfortunately always think that they are holier even from their own brethren, let alone other religions.

      When they had no qualms converting from their religion at birth, they are more likely to feel that it is acceptable for people from other religion to join their new religion. After all, they just FOUND GOD!

      Islam and Christianity have co-existed in Malaysia for hundreds of years and we never hear about religious war in Malaysia, do we?

      I personally feel that the problem started after the Church succeeded in converting a lot of “lost souls” into Christianity and unfortunately these lost souls are still lost despite having found God because they still behave like kiasus.

      I urge these people to go back to the true teaching of God, be it in Islam, Christian or any other faith.

  9. I wonder who Christians pray to,since the have trinitized their own God Yahweh. When they trinitize Yahweh who said in Isaiah 45 verse 10,11,12, ” I am the only God.There is no God before me and no god after me.There is no Savior accept me.
    If thet contradict their God, then they must have listened to Satan,the anti God who always contradict God.
    Not satisfied with corrupting their own religion,they now want to corrupt the Muslim religion by translatin names of god in the Bible to Allah. How can names be translated.??? Its unethical and a mistranslation.!!! You would need your gods permission to change God’s name.!!!
    Read more my article @ http://warongpakyeh.blogspot.com/2011/08/dumc-raid-and-blaspheming-of-allah-and.html

  10. Ju,
    Please have a look at the link below. The supposedly single mother who was helped by the church was in receipt of a monthly allowance from the Majlis Agama Islam Negeri Sembilan and her husband is employed and getting paid RM1300 monthly.

    http://theunspinners.blogspot.com/2011/08/alasan-puan-nur-menerima-bantuan-gereja.html

    Also, for those of you who’ve not seen the video of the church ‘raid’…..

    http://www.akidazami.com/2011/08/video-murtad-dan-pemeriksaan-jais-di.html

    I pass by that church every day on my way home. My husband was brought up as a Methodist in the Bible belt in the US,was very active in the church in the US and even graduated from a Methodist university.He knows the bible by hard. He converted to Islam after studying the Quran and was the only Muslim in the whole town..He’s often mentioned that its better for Christians and Muslims to relate to their similarities and not their differences.

    Salam 1Malaysia and may the Allmightly bless this country with peace and harmony

  11. Dear Helen,

    The woman in black, appearing from 3:19 to 4:00,in the video clip is DUMC member Goh Lay Hua. Google Malaysian Bible Seminary and she will be amongst the almuni. She has written some stuff in Malay about Christianity.

    In the clip, JAIS officers appear very courteous and patient, as opposed to the lady in kebaya(J) and in black(Ang) who tried to defend and deflect JAIS’s inquiries about the meeting.

    JAIS should summon the two ladies in the clip to question them formally since the claims by Goh – that “I just came by,’ “saya rasa tak ada Muslim,,’ etc , is not also false but a downright lie. She is an active member of the church and could not have “just :came by,’ at that time in the night.

    I am dissapointed and disgusted by Ang’s behaviour. As a Christian, she has broken a key commandment ” Thou shalt not lie…” .Pls pass this informatiin on as JAIS and all involved has to be treated fairly – Christian or not!!

    Another Christian

  12. I happened to fumble upon this old comment on Goh Lay Hua when I google her name. Responding to the above comment by “Another Christian”, I wonder what is your intention revealing her name in the video clip and the details about her background other than suggesting that Jais should haul her up for the investigative question. Is it not possible that she happened to be there that night? Is it not true that she spoke what she believed that there were no Muslims that night?

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