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The ‘chauvinist’ label, Chinese self-destructiveness & changing dynamics

1. When some Malays ask the Chinese, for example those unable to speak the national language, to “balik Tongsan”, some Chinese get angry.

But when the Chinese ourselves talk about how popular-destination Western countries treat minorities better (i.e. ostensibly no colour bar) and how it’s better for Malaysian minorities to emigrate, then the idea of relocating (to New Zealand, say) doesn’t make Chinese angry compared to the indignation at being told to relocate to China.

So now what if instead of “balik Tongsan” the Malays were to say “pergilah Kanada”. In this case, how would we evaluate the implied ‘pendatang’ nature of the Chinese? After all, these same folks are bragging about their kids getting Canadian, British, American or Australian citizenship.

2. Many Chinese appear aggrieved that Indonesians can jump queue to become Malaysian citizens and thereafter obtain bumiputera status.

I’ve a Sept 2011 posting in this blog titled ‘Do you Malays hate us Chinese?‘.

It’s in the form of a question. I asked because I don’t know and wanted to find out. And I did not rebut or interrupt any of the replies (64 comments so far) because I’m willing to listen to all views.

The problem is we tend to presume too much. However if we were to just ask directly the persons concerned, we might learn things that are contrary to our initial assumptions.

On several and different occasions I asked Indonesian workers who’ve been here 10-15 years whether they have plans to settle down in Malaysia permanently.

Their surprising answers were mainly ‘No’.

One guy even told me that when he courted his local Malay wife, he’d made it clear that at some point in the future he wished to return home. So any children they might have would be Indonesians. She agreed to his terms of marriage.

Why, I ask them their reason. They generally say that Indonesia is where their heart is and where they belong.

And some of them have done well. With savings from their earnings in our country, they’ve managed to buy land in their kampung and built houses (with their parents as caretakers) or started farms.

The ‘bumiputera’ incentive did not sway a decision to wanting to remain.

3. The Firsters are thumping their chest loudly that they’re most Malaysian and most patriotic.

Unlike the Bangsar Malaysians, I do not fly into a righteous fit at the ‘balik Tongsan’ jibe.

My Malaysian cousin is living and working in Guangzhou, China. More and more Malaysian Chinese are going to university there or doing business.

India has a special scheme for citizens of other countries who are of Indian ethnicity. Holders of its People of Indian Origin (PIO) card are conferred a certain status when they go through India’s immigration.

This arrangement shows that India has a special relationship with its diaspora.

Similarly the Chinese diaspora are termed ‘overseas Chinese’.

A recent leader, i.e. opinion-editorial in The Economist is titled ‘In praise of a second (or third) passport‘ (7 Jan 2012). The article talks about how multiple identities are natural and citizenship laws should catch up.

4. The international weekly magazine is proposing a flexible and forward-looking view.

On the other hand, DAP is forcing its own rigid idea of a single Malaysian First identity (created by the party post-2008).

Identity is NOT an issue of unequal opportunities or discriminative state treatment. But these factors make up the DAP sales pitch.

Identity has more to do with what language we speak, what culture we practice, what religion we profess and how we live according to the societal ethos we inherited or have been taught, and our shared history and ancestral memories.

Race quotas and constitutional ‘special position’ are political issues. Unfortunately in Malaysia, unequal treatment is legally and institutionally intertwined with race, and by extension identity.

To solve the Chinese dilemma, we have to impose divides in our political space, e.g. something like the concept of separation of Church (religion) and state, not try imposing a fusion like what the DAP is doing.

Show this guy’s picture to anyone on the street. They’d all say he’s Indian.

Show his photo to anyone anywhere in the world, say in Osaka or in Oslo. They’d say he’s Indian too. Who would know he’s Malaysian?

He’s Hannah Yeoh’s husband. Yet in their child’s birth cert application form, he wrote ‘Anak Malaysia’ when filling in the ‘keturunan’ blank. His wife also put ‘Anak Malaysia’ when other people her skin colour would write ‘Chinese’.

They’re the DAP ‘Malaysian First’ flagbearers. They tried to erase ethnicity and replacing it with a merge of race and nationality.

5. DAP politicians holding the minority votes cannot approach our problems of inequality by attacking ethnicity and demonizing identity.

Those of us who yam cha, yam seng, like our bah kut teh, refuse to wear songkok and do not have names like Hasnah Yeop or Umar are likely to see ourselves as Chinese.

It is a big mistake for Malays to label DAP a ‘Chinese chauvinist’ party.

Take Hannah Yeoh’s infant the DAP mascot. DAP secretary-general Lim Guan Eng even issued a statement on baby Shay Adora but there’s nothing Chinese in the name Shay Adora. There’s nothing Malaysian in the name either.

Namewee is someone the Malays are calling a Chinese chauvinist. He raps in Chinese. But there are no chauvinistic racial allusions at all to Malays in his song (the Rasuah video — see lyrics HERE).

The racial slur “metalik hitam” was uttered by DAP’s David Nga Kor Ming who spoke in bad BM and who’s pushing the Christian evangelist agenda. Cina totok bukanlah beragama Kristian.

Vernacular school students are accused of being Chinese chauvinists by the Satu Sekolah Untuk Semua group. Yet the SSS petition to the Education Minister complained about the alleged race-polarizing behaviour of the online commentators who are Anglophiles.

Whatever provocative comments read by the SSS petitioners were not accessed in hanzi (Chinese writing) or in BM. They were comments made online in English.

There’s the link in people’s mind that Umno is Malay and Malay is Umno.

It will hurt the Chinese community if a link is established inextricably in people’s mind that DAP is Chinese and Chinese is DAP.

Continued

Part II: Malay support emboldening biadap syndrome

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33 thoughts on “The ‘chauvinist’ label, Chinese self-destructiveness & changing dynamics

  1. Dear Helen,

    I am still astounded by the capabilities of Malaysian with Chinese ethnicity in grasping Bahasa Malaysia both in speaking and writing. Isn’t Bahasa Malaysia is our National Language as Malaysian? Mr. Lim Kit Siang has been granted citizenship of Malaysia and living in Malaysia for years (How long exactly has Mr. Lim Kit Siang been accepted as Malaysian citizen?), his standard of Bahasa Malaysia is pathetic and insulting to fellow Malaysian.

    Then we have a new generation like Namewee, born in Malaysia through his parent whom are also Malaysian and yet still his standard of Bahasa Malaysia is pathetic and insulting to fellow Malaysian too.

    Let us start with this first, Bahasa Malaysia as National Language of Malaysian is respected and used daily by Malaysian with Chinese ethnicity both in speaking and writing at the same level of their excellent capabilities in speaking and writing in Mandarin or English Language.

    They can start by speaking only in Bahasa Malaysia when in public places of Malaysia and especially even when they are with and among of Malaysian with Chinese ethnicity.

    Man.Jebat

  2. Saya tak kisah kita berbeza politik atau pendapat. Tapi saya kisah apabila seseorang mempunyai kerakyatan Malaysia tidak tahu langsung tentang bahasa kebangsaan. Kalau ada bunyi pelat2 atau slang yg berbeza, itu diterima selagi bahasa itu boleh difahami. Tapi ini kalau mengagungkan Bangsa Malaysia, tetapi tak pernah berbahasa kebangsaan setiap kali interview atau Press conf., baik pergi England or America. Bukan nak cakap kita tak benarkan berbahasa Inggeris, tetapi apabila kita bercakap untuk tontonan satu Malaysia, gunakanlah bahasa kebangsaan Malaysia. Macam mana la kenyataan itu tidak diputar belit sebab mereka kadang2 tidak paham bahasa kebangsaan sendiri.Entah2, lagu Negaraku pun tak tahu.

    p/s: Mr Ong Kim Swee berbahasa kebangsaan memang power.

  3. Kawan se pejabat yang memegang pasport China menceritakan wujudnya diskriminasi di antara sesama rakyat China yang berlainan bangsa (i.e.Bangsa Han menyelar bangsa Uygur suruh ‘bertamadun’). Jadinya, chauvinism bukan sahaja wujud antara bangsa China dengan bangsa lain tetapi juga dikalangan bangsa China sendiri. Kekadang saya rasa orang China di Malaysia ini seperti orang African-American dimana jika orang luar memanggil mereka ‘the N-word’ mereka melenting tetapi sesama sendiri mereka memanggil ‘the N-word’ okay pulak..:-)

  4. Masalah saya dgn kaum cina kalau:

    -tak hormati perlembagaan..mempersoalkan hak bumi dan Islam

    -mempersoalkan asal usul melayu..melayu kaum pendatang? cuba nak ubah sejarah mengatakan melayu pon kaum pendatang..nusantara ni adalah kepulauan melayu sejak beribu tahun

    -pandai2 nak tafsirkan hal berkaitan Islam

    -tak pernah puas dengan apa yang dah ada atau dapat, populasi kaum v/s kekayaan mmg kaum cina dah terkedepan

    kaum cina sendiri pon tahu ada cina yg mmg anti dgn melayu betul tak?
    saya pernah hadir satu temuduga dengan syarikat multinasional, penemuduga adalah org cina,salah satu soalan yg saya rasa pelik keluar dari mulut penemuduga adalah …. awak boleh kerja dengan cina tak? sbb kat sini ada cina yang memang tak suka dengan melayu…

    setakat pergaulan saya dengan kaum cina di alam nyata tak pernah ada masalah..saling menghormati..cuma di alam cyber ni macam2 tuduhan dan tuntutan kaum cina yg keluar..agak2nya itulah topik perbincangan sesama kaum cina kot ;)

    Penang Mali

    1. Perlembagaan 1957 bukan kitab suci tetapi gubalan manusia (dirangka oleh 5 orang hakim Commonwealth) dan ianya sudah pernah dipinda berpuluh kali — merangkumi lebih 600 pindaan.

      Perkara 8 Perlembagaan Persekutuan bertajuk SAMA RATA.

      (1) Semua orang adalah sama rata di sisi undang-undang dan berhak mendapat perlindungan yang sama rata di sisi undang-undang.

      (2) Kecuali sebagaimana dibenarkan dengan nyatanya oleh Perlembagaan ini, tidaklah boleh ada pembezaan terhadap warganegara semata-mata oleh sebab ugama, kaum, keturunan atau tempat lahir …

      Perkara 8 Perlembagaan harus dihormati juga, ya?

      Saya bersetuju dengan Penang Mali bahawa mempersoalkan asal usul Melayu (mengatakan Melayu pendatang) adalah ‘counter-productive’ dan tak payah dilakukan.

      Namun saya tidak setuju orang bukan-Muslim harus mendiam sahaja mengenai Islam.

      Saya rasa warga bukan-Islam patut mengambil berat soal menafsir hal-hal berkaitan Islam juga kerana ia akan membabitkan kami, misalnya sembelih lembu di sekolah atau peraturan tutup aurat di tempat awam.

      Tapi jangan pandai-pandai nak mengucap ayat-ayat al-Quran, menggunakan istilah-istilah Arab-Islam dan memetik Hadis kalau bukan-Muslim serta berpura-pura memakai tudung.

      Yang lagi teruk ialah orang Cina yang kafir-mengkafir, misalnya M’sian Firsters yang gemar mengatakan orang Umno tidak boleh dianggap Muslim.

      “ada cina yg mmg anti dgn melayu” (?) Hahaha, pasti ada!

      Mereka itulah yang paling manis di bibir mengatakan “kita semua bersaudara tak kira apa kaum dan agama”. Orang Melayu harus berwaspada dengan kata-kata lunak, terutamanya kata-kata Islamik (contohnya “kita berTuhan sama yang esa”) yang keluar mulut mereka yang chameleon itu.

      Lebih baik seteru yang jujur dan berterus-terang daripada sekutu munafik yang menyedapkan telinga.

    2. Mengapakah you bedul sangat….yang persoalkan itu dan ini adalah sandiwara politikus dan politianjing untuk menarik sokongan cina dan melayu untuk pecah dan perintah….supaya mengundi parti mereka..

  5. Saya setuju semua dengan pandangan di atas. Benar apa yang diungkapkan oleh Darlyn Azlina, Man Jebat, Penang mali dan HM.Bne.

    Kita meraikan kepelbagaian di negara tercinta ini tetapi dalam masa yang sama ramai juga yang bertelunjuk lurus tetapi kelingking berkait. Memang benar apa yang diluahkan oleh Helen.

    Mereka inilah adu-domba dalam kepelbagaian. Maklumlah, ada panas adalah bayang..!

  6. There are a lot of points which I would agree with you on this. But I would like to bring up my personal experience when I was filling up my US college application. There was a part where I had to fill in my ethnicity. You see, I can’t just put Chinese, because it is expected (more like mandatory, its kind of insulting for a Chinese to not know Chinese language don’t you think?) for Chinese to know the chinese language and know some chinese culture (I can speak and hear poorly, but writing/reading is horrible, and my knowledge in chinese culture is woeful). This is due to a change from vernecular school to national school from primary to secondary (and from then on, english had been my backbone, followed by bm) and also my upbringing (can’t argue upbringing so moving to language factor). Infact, my BM is way way better than my Chinese (BM A in PMR, while chinese fail). So how can I call myself? If I return to China, it is unlikely that I will mix well there cause of my poor chinese language understanding. Likewise with Indians and Tamil/Hindi. I can’t go back to my “motherland” even if I wanted to! That is the main issue faced by chinese who attend national schools. From what I observe, their only hope is to work in English speaking nations, or here in Malaysia (depending on their degree/university of course). At the end, I wrote Malaysian Chinese for my form, cause in reality that is the only way to describe myself.

    This is my 2 cents on our current system and what we have for the future:
    Going back in time to the creation of the constitution. Our forefathers had a major choice in dealing with our multiracial country : To assimilate everyone into one lump, or to split everybody up into race. They chose the middle path, integration. Our current education system mirrors exactly with their plan, national schools, with presence of vernecular schools. The SSS and those who advocate Malaysia first (note: not all) are mainly aiming for assimilation. But assimilation will be impossible if everyone has to take up Islam or Muslims allowed to take non-halal stuff. Some Malaysia “firsters” (as you succilintly put it), are pushing for further integration where it is equality for all (but again, I highly doubt we will get this solely due (or should some say, abuse of) to Article 153. But I think we all can agree that, we will never want separation (worst case scenario).

    Personally I prefer the middle way – integration (ie status quo). It provides everyone with a choice. However, with the current (bad) quality of our national education (and to a lesser extent, PPSMI issue), I fear more and more people will head for vernecular schools, thus causing more of a separation that integration.

    1. Bro My dua sen Experience,I am Ex-Mariner . During my sailing days sail withe many nationalities.

      One day after 5mths on board and ply route between Australia ,China & Taiwan. the company change our route to include India.

      As we are coasting the straits of Malacca, desperate for news from Malaysia, I tuned the TV in the mess for Malaysian TV.

      And we got the Malaysian TV news, And Mr Harjit Hulon Singh was reading the new. The ship officers are majority from India,
      The amazement on their face when they a Sikh with his turban reading news in Malay, one of them commented that the Sikh is speaking Malay.

      I turned to look at him and told him( with immense pride)that he is wrong, he is watching a MALAYSIAN speaking in flawless Malay and not a Sikh (Indian). So my Chinese friends think hard. think very hard.

      You want equal treatment, so after 54 years of independence, the Chinese who wonder why people don’t treat you as one of them. Lu sendiri pikir la, it is your own community ‘s action that set you out apart on your own. You can love your culture but you also must show to others you willing to learn to adapt.
      Is it your pride that stopping you.

      Also we know the biggest Insult from one Chinese to and other Chinese is say “lu sudah masuk melayu” or ” lu punya otak otak melayu”

      I write this not as insult to the Chinese , but to let them know , we know a lot more about them than they think. We are patient and observant lot.

      I can say this, i have many Chinese friends who have help me many, many times out of true friendship.
      It is the chauvinist and communallistic Chinese that causing this problem.
      Again we know who they are (DO YOU?)…………….disguise as the champion of the Chinese.

      1. you meant if i am different, then i am not deserve equal treatment, or i am not suppose to want equal treatment?

  7. Mr Hua ren / hua xing ,

    Mr. Harjit hulon Singh looks very diffrent from you and me , but he is the same where it counts He still retain his religion and his idenity and his turban and he is proud of this identity, and i am proud that he is proud .

    Look ,i can’t ask you change your religion, your race and skin color,And I dont ask you to change, be proud be of yor heritage there is nothing wrong.

    Imagine that weare of the same race but each speak a completely diffrent langauge. that how to decide which language to use?

    “So when in rome do as the roman do,”

    When you go to france try to speak Engish to a total stranger,an see what happens. The French are not racist,

    Thew fact is, Malay is the Lingua franca in thi region since before the Malacca sultanate ,and it is the official langauge for 54 year now.

    I have meet many young teen who cannot speak it , or very barely able have a coversation with .in the national laungage ,WHY?.

    I leave it you to explain why?, If the National langauge is not malay will accept it?

    1. KTP,

      I am not interested to explain why and I don’t see how my explanation relevant to the question I ask. You are the one that brought out the “you want equal treatment” assertion and I think I am being fair to get further clarification from you, but it seem you are having difficulties to respond, perhaps I should be more direct, do Mr Harjit Singh and Helen deserve the equal treatment? If they are, how you can help to achieve that?

      1. Dear Hua Yong,

        “Isn’t Bahasa Malaysia is our National Language as Malaysian? Mr. Lim Kit Siang has been granted citizenship of Malaysia and living in Malaysia for years (How long exactly has Mr. Lim Kit Siang been accepted as Malaysian citizen?), his standard of Bahasa Malaysia is pathetic and insulting to fellow Malaysian.

        Then we have a new generation like Namewee, born in Malaysia through his parent whom are also Malaysian and yet still his standard of Bahasa Malaysia is pathetic and insulting to fellow Malaysian too.”

        Why is it the older generation like Lim Kit Siang and the new generation like Namewee still can’t speak proper Bahasa Malaysia?

        Man.Jebat

      2. “You want equal treatment, so after 54 years of independence, the Chinese who wonder why people don’t treat you as one of them. Lu sendiri pikir la, it is your own community ‘s action that set you out apart on your own. You can love your culture but you also must show to others you willing to learn to adapt.
        Is it your pride that stopping you.”

        I think this the statement that you want to clarified.

        I think for lack , or wrong of choice of words then , i should rephrase it as

        “so you want equal recognition as a fellow Malaysian,so after 54 years of independence, the Chinese who wonder why people don’t treat you as one of them.”

        “you meant if i am different, then i am not deserve equal treatment, or i am not suppose to want equal treatment?”

        So your statement / question now should as follows,
        “you meant if i am different, then i am not deserve equal recognition, or i am not suppose to want equal recognition?”

        Now you will understand why i reply with this below

        Mr Hua ren / hua xing ,

        Mr. Harjit hulon Singh looks very diffrent from you and me , but he is the same where it counts He still retain his religion and his idenity and his turban and he is proud of this identity, and i am proud that he is proud .

        Look ,i can’t ask you change your religion, your race and skin color,And I dont ask you to change, be proud be of yor heritage there is nothing wrong.

        Imagine that weare of the same race but each speak a completely diffrent langauge. that how to decide which language to use?

        “So when in rome do as the roman do,”

        When you go to france try to speak Engish to a total stranger,an see what happens. The French are not racist,

        Thew fact is, Malay is the Lingua franca in thi region since before the Malacca sultanate ,and it is the official langauge for 54 year now.

        I have meet many young teen who cannot speak it , or very barely able have a coversation with .in the national laungage ,WHY?.

        I leave it you to explain why?, If the National langauge is not malay will accept it

        please don’t go in to an argument, on the semantic of my poor choice of words.

        I wrote it actually for Helen, who ask earlier in her title of this post,””The ‘chauvinist’ label, Chinese self-destructiveness & changing dynamics”” it not meant to offed anyone, but if it did “”tough shit”” Helen.
        :)

  8. Sometimes i think that the reason why malaysian chinese are being treated as a ‘kaum pendatang’ is because some of them behave like one. Why is it that a chinese in america has no problem embracing the american culture, some siap tukar nama and tukar muka lagi in order to be more American, I.e. mat salleh, but in Malaysia, nak belajar atau cakap Bahasa Malaysia pun tak nak. Some siap boleh berkelakuan dengan kurang ajar sekali by refusing to wear the songkok for half a day, with the excuse that it is not a part of their culture or part of the attire of their culture. And a suit is? If you are a Malaysian and want to be treated like one, then be a Malaysian. but if you behave like a pendatang, then jangan marah when you are treated like one.
    And for those who actually believe that the west, and America in particular, practices full equality, then you are sadly mistaken. Even in America, a hidden quota system is put in place for entrance to top universities, see this article.
    http://news.yahoo.com/asians-college-strategy-dont-check-asian-174442977.html
    So, as much as I disagree with the inequality that is being practiced in Malaysia, at least we do not hide it. Malaysia practices affirmative action in the form of bumiputra rights in the open for the whole world to see and judge. at least we are not hypocrites.
    Again, I apologise if my comments offend anyone.

  9. To answer Hua Yong, it is very sad indeed when some people get special privileges because of their skin colour. But I too think it is unfair that the same skin colour is not exposed to the same opportunities awarded to others of different colour due to some policies put forth by a foreign power some 100 years ago that saw the practice of divide and conquer enforced in order to control a nation. So, just like I do not think it is fair that bumiputra rights takes away opportunities from non-bumis, I think it is also not fair for the British to put the Malays in the kampung to be poor farmers, and give the Chinese full reign of controlling the wealth of the nation, I.e. via tin mines, businesses etc. Is it fair to compare two students, one who is driven to school in a posh mercedes and have the opportunities to better himself via tuition classes etc, with someone who has to walk 5 km to school and is so poor that he doesn’t even have electricity in his home to study at night much less attend tuition etc.? Again, it is not the affirmative action that is wrong. We need it to balance out the imbalance created before. What is wrong though, is the implementation of the affirmative action. And that,we can do something about.

    1. Catty, did you ever read my criticism over affirmative action? So what make you think you are answering my question? Did you realise your “I apologise if my comments offend anyone.” sound pretty comical?

      1. Sorry la Hua Yong, I didn’t read your earlier posts. I didn’t know it was compulsory for me or anyone else to read ALL your previous comments in order to give a response that is acceptable to you. As for apologising, maybe I was brought up differently from you. My family taught me that no matter what opinion you may have, others may not have the same. Therefore, your opinion might offend those who do not share them, thus the need to apologise. That is what we call adab…maybe you should learn some?

      2. Catty, my OPINION is that you are a hypocrite. So please accept the fact that we merely have differed opinion. Would apologise make you feel better? If yes, i apologise if my opinion offended you.

        And no you don’t have to read all my comments, it is your prerogative if you choose not to, it is also your prerogative to assume, presume and speculate what i have in mind. My earlier retort is to ridicule you on your misunderstanding of what i am talking about and being too presumptuous, in fact you can always asked and seeks clarification. I apologise if my critique offended you. Hahaha, i am learning fast.

      3. THE LAZY DRAGON help help on the link To your “did you ever read my criticism over affirmative action?”
        Thanks

      4. Hmmm Hua Yong, you just proven catty right with her ‘beradab’ comment…having manners does not make one a hypocrite…why am I not surprised that you, of all people, would not know that? Tak beradab = Tak bertamadun.

  10. KTP,

    No, it is not a matter of semantics, or you still don’t know what I am asking. The key word is ‘equal’, but that is fine my friend, I just want to know where you are coming from, like Helen often said, one of her intention is to let us know each other perspective. The reason I do not answer your ‘why’ is because i do not want to repeat the same argument over and over. Perhaps Helen can write a post on this subject and we engage further, just a hint, PPSMI and why many Malay give their support.

    1. Hua Yong , thank you for pointing what is the actual word of interest that you are trying to put across, i thought it was the full sentence.

      You want to talk about the word “equal” , in a non semantic way. OK i am game.

      Equal is only factual, in mathematical/numerical situation/ environment ,else where it is just a figure of speech.

      There is no equality in nature and life, the is only equilibrium. Think about it,where in life is it equal?.

      Hua Yong,show me where in your life in non numerical manner, there is true equality in every sense of the word equal. .

      Evert hing that God create is of about balance rather than about equal.

      That how the real world, i believe is created.

      Being in charge of family ,a balance treatment the most important factor, you can never achieve equal treatment.

      Because God didn’t create every one of your kids equally.

      On a bigger scale,like a country, it is also true.

      And i know you must be wondering about my view on the NEP,PPSMI and many more , we moderates may share many common opinion that you think.

      NEP ,good idea , some of it achieved with some fair ,some good results, angry cause bulk of it taken advantage by many who dot need it, need a major revamp it and make it more inclusive, more 1 Malaysa.

      PPSMI, i have been waiting something like this for more than 25 years, too long to elaborate here. The short version, I Sokong and again need to tweak it , cause there are people trying to take advantage of it, to run away social responsibility and obligation.
      I hate the Bastards who played the” DAMMED IF YOU DO AND DAMMED IF YOU DON’T GAME” ON THIS.
      This a game changer matter for me and the level petty politics that wannabe have stooped to, anything for a f$$king vote, they lost my vote.

      Lazy to type any more and proof reading, till next time,

      ” Sometime it not about what you did to make things better, but it’s about what you did not to make worse that really matters”

      The half full, versus the half empty syndrome.

      THE LAZY DRAGON

  11. KTP, then why you talk about equal in your earlier post? Organise your thought a bit and re-read your own post before replying, and be honest of who you are. Anyway, thanks for the wish, and hope you enjoy your holiday too.

    1. sori i touch raw nerve , with the wrong choice of words, my grammer spelling hancus.a rusty as hell. will try to imp[rove la. how you like my neu nick

      Happy holidays, OPS sikap

      1. Nope, i just cannot tahan when some commentators conflating unrelated issues into one and try to make it sound valid, whether known or unintentional, the tone is actually prejudice, presumptive and bigotry, i do my best to defy such stereotyping and genaralisation.

        Not sure what is your understanding of ‘Dragon’, since we are now almost move into year of dragon, why not the prosperity dragon? Cheers.

  12. Interesting , must follow up on that “conflating unrelated issues into one and try to make it sound valid ” as for the nick, Me is lazy ,
    going to blog seriously in the year of the dragon, hence the neu Moniker.
    Any way its catchy, its crude and unconventional , a little bit like my
    “NON OF THE ABOVE ” movement i intended to pursue.

    when i first saw the movie , that idea had always stayed with me,

    But there was no real reason to pursue it , but after seeing the kind of con both side are dishing out, i decide to put my 3 sen worth on the table.
    Currently I am an army of one, and have got all of them surrounded. (How’s that for positive thinking)
    And all i need is to get one more to join , and then i have double my army.

    The only rule is, kick both sides in the nuts.

    Going to Desaru tonight to work out my battle plans.

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