… kena berforum hanya di Brickfields atau Chee Cheong Kai sahaja?
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Kenyataan P. Uthayakumar: Hindraf withdraws support for ABU
Kenyataan P. Waythamoorthy: Brother: It’s Uthayakumar’s personal view
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Rockybru hari ini meragui motif mereka yang menyerang forum ‘Tamatkan Rejim Umno/BN’ dikatakan memakai kemeja-T berlogo Umno.
Bukannya saya tidak pernah mempersoalkan butir ini. Dari awal-awal dah; dalam balasan saya kepada Catty, iaitu pembaca yang pertama memberi komen.
Saya menjawab dalam Komen #2:
“Curious also as to why the Mat Rempits purportedly or openly wore Umno T-shirts. But since it’s been recorded on video, surely the police can identify/trace the ketua samseng and find out more.”
Misteri dan teori konspirasi tidak harus membuat kita leka lalu mengabaikan isu polis tidak mengambil berat serangan yang berlaku pada malam Jan 21 itu.
“Bukti video menunjukkan majlis itu diserbu”, kata Bersih dalam satu kenyataan akhbar semalam. “Penafian polis berhubung keseriusan tindakan ganas ke atas penganjur dan peserta seolah-olah merestui tindakan ganas yang berlaku,” kata gabungan itu lagi.
Bersih juga mengimbau serangan Pemuda Umno atas Apcet II:
“insiden terbaru ini memperingatkan taktik ganas dan kotor yang digunakan untuk menggagalkan persidangan prokemerdekaan Timor Timur (kini Timor Leste) di sebuah hotel di Kuala Lumpur pada 1996.”
Rakan blogger Unspinners berpendapat “serangan terhadap majlis ABU adalah usaha yang dirancang untuk tarik perhatian dan salahkan Umno. Kah kah kah … kantoi!”
Unspinners juga mengusik “penulis amoi” [tuan empunya blog ini] dan “Si doktor” bantu hebohkan kejadian.
Tambah Unspinners lagi:
“Sanggup mereka [Doc Rafick & Helen] rendahkan martabat mereka sama dengan Chegubard yang tidak lagi mengajar, peguam gila Haris dan Timbalan presiden parti Islam yang tak cuci muka …”
Mengenai “penglibatan peguam kurang siuman dan fanatik seperti Haris Ibrahim”, kalau Unspinners nak kata Haris gila kerana menyanggah Umno, saya tak setujulah — bagi sayapun parti pemerintah itu memang patut disanggah.
(FYI: Saya tidak pernah mengundi BN seumur hidupku dan tidak akan mengundi BN pada PRU akan datang.)
Kalau hendak dirungkai kewajaran aktivisme Haris – bagi saya – mungkin hanya boleh dikaitkan perkara bagaimana beliau begitu taksub kepada Hannah Yeoh.
Sering juga pengasas ABU itu mencanangkan Hannah sebagai “calon taraf cemerlang” serta beriya-iya mempromosikan politikus DAP itu mempunyai
“strong academic qualification, strong religious convictions that guide her actions, her principled position on important national issues and her ability to articulate them well” — kata blog Haris sarat yang dengan puji-pujian
Namun, takkan gara-gara ketaksuban ini (yakni ‘gila’ mempromo Hannah, add-on comment 9.30pm) maka segala lain aktivisme Haris harus dipertikaikan sebagai kurang siuman.
Pendekatan Haris mahu menguburkan Umno ialah hak politik beliau dan tidak menyalahi undang-undang.
Saya kira barang sesiapa yang menonton video kejadian akan setuju bahawa Mat Rempit-Mat Rempit itu berperangai samseng dan boleh dikenakan tindakan oleh pihak berkuasa. Pokok pangkalnya ialah sikap bena tak bena yang ditunjukkan polis.
Baik dijelaskan sekali lagi bahawa bukan Hindraf yang memilih lokasi. Saya dimaklumkan tempat tersebut disediakan oleh Dr Siti Mariah Mahmud, iaitu Ahli Parlimen PAS (Dewan MBSA terletak di kawasannya kot).
Blog MyMassa telah berkongsi perangkaan di bawah:
Parlimen Kota Raja [diwakili Dr Siti Mariah]
DUN Sri Muda
STATISTIK TERBARU PENGUNDI DI JALAN KEBUN
Jumlah Pengundi = 2,596 orang
Melayu: 2,383 orang (91.8%)
Cina = 132 orang (5.1%)
India = 73 orang (2.8%)
Lain-lain bangsa = 8 orang (0.3%)
Dewan tersebut terletak di kawasan Melayu yang kerusi negeri dipegang PKR.
Dr Siti Mariah berkata orang yang membuat provokasi itu dikenali (dapat dicam).
Beliau juga men-tweet bahawa hanya 4 orang anggota polis yang tiba di tempat kejadian (posting saya pada hari Ahad memetik jurucakap Hindraf berkata perkara sama).
BEBERAPA ISU HARUS DIRENUNGI:
(1) Tuduhan Hindraf mengacau maghrib
Ini jelas berniat memainkan isu agama. Kalau ada yang masih bertekad ikut jalan ini, akan sampai kita ke Afghanistan nanti.
Acara dijadualkan 8.30 malam tetapi biasalah – ikut Malaysian time – ia bermula lewat.
Setakat ini, saya belum dimaklumkan kenapa Hindraf kononnya telah mengganggu solat dan patut “diajar”.
(2) Tuduhan mangsa pukul pura-pura cedera, ibarat insiden kicap tomato
Sila rujuk siri tweet Dr Siti Mariah (screenshot di atas).
(3) Tuduhan Hindraf sengaja memprovokasi di kawasan Melayu
Sejumlah 94.6% warga yang duduk Putrajaya ialah Melayu. Adakah ini bermakna orang Cina, India dan bangsa-bangsa lain tidak dibenarkan untuk membuat apa-apa kegiatan politik di Putrajaya walaupun bandar itu ibu negara pentadbiran?
Jadi? Kita wujudkan kantong-kantong etnik di mana bangsa lain dilarang masuk … takut memprovokasi.
31 thoughts on “Kalau ABU tak boleh di kawasan Melayu …”
Helen,kamu vote dap next election?
Sayangnya saya berdaftar di kawasan yang kini dipegang DAP. Semua kerusi majoriti Cina dijangka akan jatuh ke tangan DAP. Terlintas di fikiran untuk merosakkan undi saya. — Helen
Helen, undi kamu terlalu bermakna untuk dirosakkan.
Tak sokong BN, tak nak undi DAP, [undi] tersepit. Bagi kepada calon bebas! — Helen
As for the independent candidate, semua ada agenda tersendiri.
The current political scene has made many Malaysian Cynical, but the politician always hope that some body’s loss of support will be their gain.Well no more.!
I SAY AGAIN SCREW ALL THESE ***, BOTH GOVERNMENT and OPPOSITION ALSO CANNOT TRUST.
SUBRA , You Must go to the polling station on voting day ,and put put a big telur/ZERO on both clown box .
PUAS HATI BEB!
REMEMBER YOU ARE VOTING FOR YOUR CHOICE(NON OF THE ABOVE).
And have done your duty to vote for A BETTER MALAYSIA.
Parti nyamuk bagaimana? — Helen
It is his choice Sis, like I have been promoting NON OF THE ABOVE ,
SIS the truth is most important choice, because it is the first casuality in a political debate , every joker is trying to sell you something and what evey they are selling its “THEIR version of the truth”
The incident did happen , as to what actually and who did it? ,depend which side of the fence .I will leave both side to fight it out, I’ll BE very clear, i distrust ALL politicial, cannot belief both side all they want is POWER.
So Bro Subra , if you are willing to consider my points above. welcome to the DECIDING FORCE.
WE YOU VOTE “NON OF THE ABOVE” YOU ARE DOING BY CHOICE , AND NOT BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO CHOICE.
Watch [YouTube] and think , And I DONT GAIN ANYTHING FROM THIS
This is the THIRD Choice.
I think the tweet by Dr. Siti Mariah
“Org India tidak selamat di kawasan UMNO” is very. very seditious and un becoming of a leader. Cause i think this is totally not true and it is a blatant lie by Dr. Siti Mariah.
This statement is to instigate and provocative. As far as i have remembered, there is no incident at all that “org india” has been harmed for just being “org india”.
This appalled me to the maximum of this kind of politician.
Am trying to find out what purportedly happened during Maghrib, i.e. asking Hindraf’s side of the story, but in Malay blogosphere, I’ve noticed 2 trends:
1. (i) why(?) the claim that it’s provocative to hold function in Malay area. After all, the venue is in a PKR DUN & PAS Parliament area, not Umno’s (ii) Why fingerpoint at Hindraf & making it racial when forum was co-organised by ABU (which was not Hindraf’s brainchild) & 3 speakers are Malay as opposed to 1 Indian
2. Resorting to religious sentiments: Imagine on one side, you have the Christian evangelists & on the other side, simply throwing these sort of accusations (no photos, no recording, no
collaborativecorroborative accounts) against Hindraf supporters just for being in Malay area. Reminds me of the Perak Mufti & his rumour-mongering which prompted a mob to besiege the church di mana kononnya ada orang murtad yang akan diKristiankan.
Rimas! when people abuse religion – knowing well how easy it is to inflame passions – just to get the upper hand. It’s a quick & surefire tactic but when the religious ante is upped & upped, then the whole atmosphere becomes electrified (touch & be electrocuted) for everyone.
I’ve mentioned Afghanistan in my posting above. We don’t want to go there, or to Pakistan or other such incendiary places where people die in religious riots sparked off by sensitivities.
Dear Helen , I have given up trying to make sense of the what ever is going on in the political secene in Malaysia .
All i can saay is every body (polotician ) Lies for their advavantage.
Dont tell me about bohong sunat, or the their lie iis lesser then the other we most the lessr lier or it is the same on mismangement, if you steal 10 sen you are better then the guy who steal s a 100 dollars. Come on la, We malaysian deserve better. (i know the pro-opposition going to whack me on this) Again WE DESERVE BETTER QUALITY OF POLIITICIAN.
The simple truth is every one lie for somthing.
The end does not justify the means, iI buy to this bullshit.
I am past cynical sis, I am doing somthing about it , call me crazy tak apa .
But I am now much happier, cause i have a role for my country.
Eversince if first saw this movie in the 80’s., have pondered on it, because its telling THE DISGUSTING TRUTH ABOUT POLITICS.,
The clip above is a limited snips of what he has say about politics
Watch the Whole movie, it great fun and it will make you ponder about he has to say about politis.
Yup, the standard DAP excuse of relativism, like saying the Ipoh tailor tender only involves thousands whereas NFC involves millions. And how the DAPpers flayed Gerakan’s Ceylyn Tay for pointing out that they and their party actually condone corruption. — Helen
Helen. 1969 Cina pergi kawasan Melayu Kg Baru bawa banner suruh Melayu pergi mampus. Apa jadi semasa tu? Persatuan Extremis haram Hindraf yang berselindung di bawah hak India, pergi kawasan 95% melayu, bising minta hak Mereka. Kamu rasa Melayu akan bagi paluan kompang? Atau adakah Perkasa akan diberi kalungan bunga atau sambutan tarian singa jika pergi ke kawasan India dan Cina? Sudah tentu mereka akan ditumbuk dan disepak oleh India dan Cina. Sini sudah wujud elemen provokasi walaupun tidak secara langsung.
Bila fikir kembali, elok murid-murid sekolah pergi satu jenis sekolah sahaja, supaya masing-masing faham budaya masing-masing. Bila dah besar, tak ada isu perkauman.
(1) Org Hindraf tak pergi Jalan Kebun dengan membawa sepanduk “suruh Melayu pergi mampus” lah. Buat apa mereka hendak memprovokasi? (tak masuk akal tuduhan) Kan mereka dijemput ke sebuah kawasan DUN-PKR & kawasan Parlimen-PAS oleh orang Melayu pro-pembangkang yang dianggap rakan seperjuangan & sekutu dalam usaha ABU?
(2) Yang mengherdik “pergi mampus”, “berambus”, dsb dan sempat dirakam ialah Mat Rempit samseng. Haris sudahpun menafikan geng itu ada apa kena-mengena dengan ABU.
(3) ruj. “Persatuan Extremis haram Hindraf yang berselindung di bawah hak India”. Mana ada hak India di negara kita? Yang ada hanya hak warga dan “kedudukan istimewa” orang Melayu.
(4) Kalau Hindraf mempersoalkan pelaksanaan rancangan-rancangan kerajaan, biar Umno jawab. Ini nampaknya Umno pantang diminta menjelaskan perihal penyelewengan pentadbirannya yang selama lebih setengah abad itu. Umpamanya tengok kat isu lembu-lembu Shahrizat. Jawab sajalah. Buat apa nak alih NFC kepada isu perkauman, kononnya kewibawaan seluruh politi Melayu dicabar walhal hanya keluarga seorang Menteri Umno yang terbabit.
Lebih teruk lagi momokan di Jalan Kebun kononnya sembahyang Maghrib disentuh. Takpe. Teruskan aje. Biar helah-helah pandai mengalih ini makan tuan & jadi modal politik bagi PAS & PKR. Pasti Umno hilang undi lagi. Jangan ingat awam dangkal & mudah terpedaya dengan dakyah yang sedemikian.
(5) Kalau Perkasa pergi kawasan Cina, saya rasa masyarakat setempat akan selamba sahaja. Orang Cina, maaf cakap, bukannya jenis yang ‘berani mati’ ataupun ghairah menyinsing lengan menunjukkan penumbuk. Kalau ada kekacauan, mereka akan cepat-cepat kunci pintu (malah filem Nasi Lemak 2.0 Namewee pun mempersendakan sikap dayus Cina ni). Yang bisa perang mulut (Kristian evangelis) dan yang menyindir (macam Biskop Paul Tan) tu ada lah.
org melayu pun dh tak selamat di kawasan cina… kedai cina cekik drah melayu… kalu sesama bangsat cinanye diorg ckp cina harga lain n lbih murah berbanding dijual kpd org melayu… cilake!!
Kalau kedai runcit Cina, diorang dah menggaji juruwang minah Indonesia atau Myanmar serta pakai scanner untuk senarai harga lah. — Helen
in my area (Dengkil) the chinese also ‘hentam’ their own people. i do remember my chinese friend said to me ‘ i believe my malay friend than my own people..’
yg p bangng wt kwsn melayu pe hal… kt s.alam byk g dwn yg rmai org india… depa tu bkn xsuka india tp xsuka hidraf!!! PAHAM!!
Pakai teriak-teriak ni mampu memujuk ke? — Helen
Aku suka je undi PKR.
Am impressed with PKR for winning the confidence of voters with names like yours. — Helen
well said Helen. truly impressive indeed.
In the UM-PRK (Campus Election), a candidate was suddenly ‘kidnapped’ before polling day and then later found. A better way of putting it would be she vanished and suddenly appeared again. She was one of the winning candidates.
If anything this latest episode strengthens the beliefs of both sets of supporters; the PRs are about drama and perception, and the BNs are about thuggery and unlawfulness.
Let’s not give anyone the 2/3. So I can continue saying something like this and suddenly find myself thrown to jail.
Correction: So I can continue saying something like this and NOT suddenly find myself thrown to jail
My honest thoughts (am not a member of any political party and have voted for both Gomen and Opposition on all elections I’ve voted in. Yeah I’m crazy like that):
Thugs disrupt your gathering/ceramah/convention/what have you, why didn’t you grab one of them and hand him/her over to the police? Heck, if they resist you can use force. I mean, you’re the one with video evidence (of them using force FIRST).
What kind of people let their own people be beaten and then whine about police being slow? Wasn’t there more of you than the thugs (I read like, 6 thugs or something)? People power, right? Now one of your people gets beaten, he/she is just video evidence? Just a point you use to debate an issue?
You actually have the calmness to see and deduce they’re from UMNO/BN, you have the common sense to ask people to “bertenang dan bersurai”, you have the composure to “kita tunda ke masa lain”. You just don’t have it in you to protect one of your own. Should I vote for you? If I do, would you protect me if I’m beaten?
I attended a few hearings of a Hindraf supporter named Murugan in court on the charge of illegal assembly in the 25 Nov 2007 rally. Police testimony in the witness box said he stood in front of the water cannon truck, gripped & shook the iron bar (the one’s that’s across in front) & refused to budge, challenging the vehicle to run over him.
Murugan is a security guard. You see, when you’re at the bottom of the food chain, you’ve very little left to lose. Unlike say, the upper middle-class Chinese professional (imagine a pale, bespectacled accountant) who locks himself at home, indoors with a stash of tinned food when he expects civil unrest to occur.
It’s my belief that Hindraf would have been quite capable of physically retaliating that night except that they had no choice but to show restraint. The reason is ‘damned if they do, and damned if they don’t’. Again you see, they’ve been slapped with a lot of bad press – most unfairly – and labelled ‘samseng’ by both Umno and Pakatan who dictate the media content & consequently the national narrative.
If there was a Malay-Indian fight, and even if Hindraf was only defending themselves but still nonetheless caused any injury to the Mat Rempits, the blame would have been laid squarely at their door. Think about it: Wouldn’t both Malays & Chinese prefer to find fault with the Indians?
To illustrate what I’m saying about the blame being pushed to the Indians, take the present accusation that Hindraf members disrupted Maghrib.
Even tho’ there’s no proof – unlike the Rempits rampage where we have video footage & many eyewitness accounts. Yet the story that the Indians buat kacau in a Malay area (spread by the pro-Umno bloggers) has been flying & believed by some people. Now why should people credit hearsay & an incendiary story like that to begin with?
Hindraf are in a dicey position where extremely prejudiced public perception works against them. Can you see the bigger picture where it’s most convenient for Umno to make Hindraf the scapegoat?
Just like Cowgate. The perpetrators know that they’ll surely get nailed if the truth is revealed & look at how they’ve twisted & turned to shift the issue to race — the latest being to get Perkasa on board with the claim that the NFC whistleblower is a Chinese.
Let’s just imagine for a minute that the forum at Jln Kebun had proceeded. Certain facts about how Umno has manipulated the bumiputera-NEP system to enrich themselves (e.g. Cowgate & many other scandals) could have emerged. Can Umno reasonably tackle the facts & figures that would have been brought to light?
So instead what happened? The issue (red herring) is deflected to the allegation that Hindraf “disrespected” prayers & caused a commotion. Hence we see the Malay general public becoming emotionally charged kononnya Islam had been insulted. And this modus operandi goes on & on & on to cover up the thievery & gravy trail.
And who bears the brunt of this method of saving the crony skin? Poor Indians who have the least clout & the fewest means to protect themselves against the negative propaganda. The mainstream media is controlled by BN. Alternative media is controlled by PR. Neither are sympathetic nor ever give Hindraf a fair hearing.
Plus we don’t read Tamil. Our social circles do not overlap that of Indians at the bottom of the heap. Who can help give them a voice? Who’s willing to lend them an ear?
Take the Kg Buah Pala razing. It was in the news but how many of us were interested in following the saga, and to be made to realise the immense betrayal suffered by the villagers at the hand of the DAP govt?
Again, the contempt shown & the dirty spin thrown at the Indians (who were the victims of capitalist greed & state power), in this case particularly by the Chinese who support the opposition, was nothing short of despicable.
Even now after the dust has settled on Kg Buah Pala, very few people know the real facts. So we must acknowledge what poor Indians are up against — the entire system, incl. the DAPpers who cannot manage to hide that they think the community is ‘hitam metalik’.
Here are some stats compiled by Suaram on death by police shootings over the last decade (2000-2009).
Indians: 59 dead (7.3 % of the population)
Chinese: 54 dead (24.6 % of pop.)
Malay: 42 dead (63.1% in the peninsula)
Note that our official stats tend to fudge Malay population under the bumiputera category to inflate public perception of the Malay size. Have a look at this diagram to see what I mean.
Reflect on the figures: Indians 7.3% but 59 shot dead; Malays 63.1%, 42 shot dead.
Then you hear of the deaths in custody, torture and abuse of Indian ‘suspects’ in police lock-ups. Can we expect Indians to trust the police or for them to feel that they will be treated without bias if any disturbances of a racial nature are reported?
I don’t want to speculate on Chegubard & PKR tactics. But Haris has denied that ABU hired the thugs & I believe him. Some of this blog’s readers have suggested that Hindraf is being made a pawn of in this matter — whichever side the dalang responsible for the thuggery belongs to.
But whatever way the cookie crumbles, the Hindraf Indians are getting the short end of the stick.
This is one of the reasons why I’ve been critical of DAP. The real test of one’s core values is how he treats the weak. Example, a Tan Sri would be polite to a fellow Tan Sri and it’s difficult to judge his real character from how he treats his peers or how he treats a Tun. But if the Tan Sri treats his maid & his driver respectfully, then we should tabik him.
DAP have been ampu-bodeking Malays like anything. They’ve treated Indians like dirt. The party has obviously made its cost-benefit analysis & calculated accordingly.
The Hindraf leaders are not unaware of their lack of standing with both sides. Ditelan mati emak diluah mati bapa. They’ve chosen to back ABU b’cos of the long history (past 55 years) of being left out in the cold by govt policies.
It’s their call (to support ABU) but people – like us in blogosphere – at the very least if we cannot help the Indian cause then we should not hinder Hindraf’s efforts by blackening their name, e.g. with the ‘kacau Maghrib’ accusations.
That’s kicking the weak when the community is already down & in the doldrums.
Well said Helen, and some even have the thick face to blame others as partisan while every question raised were nothing but speculation and diverting of issue, “Malay area” is the most comical one. And this people should be proud of what were shown on the T-Shirt as everyone know that is the license to thug, try wearing a Hindraf or PKR T-Shirt, see what happen within a short span of let say 12 hours.
1. I find that “kacau magrib” reason to attack Hindraf as a sort of racism, if it is true and I disagree with such tactics. However, there is no such evidence in the video to suggest this was the reason for the attack.For all we know they could have been provoked by Hindraf / others.
2. We don’t know who these people are. Despite accusing the thugs as wearing BN/UMNO t-shirts no such evidence seem to be forthcoming, That such accusation came from Suaram is highly disappointing, If Chegubard makes such claim, this is almost expected but not someone well respected. Surely, if these folks were wearing these T-shirts, there would have been hours of video footage have been aired by now in YouTube and MKini would have made it as No 1 new item and put is on the top of its page. In fact there was some speculation that the leader (fat thug) could be a supporter of Hasan Ali.
3. Indians are no slouches to violence. Remember Kg Rawa and Kg Medan ? Indians did and can react violently too. I had been a member of NGOs for several decades working with youths so I speak from my experience.
4. Police stats : In the US, there are far more blacks in jail than whites. That doesn’t mean they were victimised. The tendency to resort to crime and violence among blacks are higher, could be due to socio-economic factor. The blacks are poorer too and that is not due to govt policies. Among Malaysian Indians, there is an unmistakable inclination toward violence and crime. This has been stated by many police and community leaders and there is no denying of this. That they get shot by police is just an effect of this propensity. There are some NGOs work to reform the youths and change the mindset. But HINDRAF denies this and keep insisting that these people are victims. Hindraf have defended people who were proven and hardened criminals in the past. I disagree with this approach as this will never solve the problem. Hindraf approach is populist but also destructive in the long run.
they, should join “NON OF THE ABOVE”, cause which ever party they vote they get Screwed.
WHY dont they SCREW BOTH GROUP and join “NON OF THE ABOVE MOVEMENT”.
All individuals ere welcome
Terima kasih kerana merujuk kepada blog MyMassa.
Perkauman sesuatu masalah sarwajagat. Bukan di Malaysia sahaja ada masalah ini.
Dan Orang Melayu bukan tak suka orang India tetapi tak suka HINDRAF. Sentimen tu perlu difahami sebelum mengarang panjang.
Apa bezanya samseng buat kacau di Majlis HINDRAF dan HINDRAF buat kacau di masa hari terbuka Pak Lah semasa menjadi PM.
Orang Melayu pantang dicabar. Samseng perlu diajar dengan cara kesamsengan. Tak perlu berlembut dengan orang yang sememangnya tak pernah sedar dengan ‘kelembutan’ Orang Melayu selama ini. Mungkin itu fahaman yang dikendong oleh mat motor.
Adakah dengan menaikkan bendera HINDRAF bukan satu provokasi kepada kaum Melayu?
Ada orang memandang bendera sebagai kain yang tiada makna tetapi ada yang memandangnya lebih daripada itu.
p/s: Walaupun Helen tak undi BN, tetapi ramai kalangan pembaca blog ini adalah pengundi dan penyokong BN.
Terima kasih rakan MyMassa kerana sudi mengomen. Saya memang sedar ramai kalangan pembaca blog saya adalah pengundi dan penyokong BN (menjadikan kedudukan blog ini agak unik!) dan lantaran itu moga-moga kita akan boleh lebih saling memahami dengan bertukar-tukar pendapat melalui cara berhemah dan terbuka. Salam. — Helen
To add to MyMassa’s comments, the actions of Hindraf such as raising of the British flags, the display of British Queen and Gandhi as though they cannot find justice in Malaysia are also considered to be provocative to many people.
The Hindraf’s memo to various bodies also used highly provocative words such “Malay Muslims”, terrorism, ethnic cleansing, mass murder, etc
Hindraf’s flag was inspired by Shiv Sena, an ultra violent, blood thirsty Hindu supremacist party that had slaughtered thousands of Muslims in India. That Hindraf’s open admiration of Tamil Tiger is another potentially explosive trigger.
I am glad that most Malays couldn’t read Tamil as the reports in some Tamil newspapers as Namban and Osai were so inflammatory that it could have created riot had these been given as wide publicity and prominence as Perkasa’s. These reports as well as Hindraf’s statements and speeches that resulted in the 25th Nov rally and led to 2008 Tsunami.
I breathed in a big sigh of relief that the 25th Nov rally did not end up in racial riots as some Hindraf members were looking for provocation and drunk. They wanted world wide publicity and wanted to be seen as martyrs so there were some real concerns that they will provoke Muslims to attack then to stage an incident to portray Muslims as aggressors.
MyMassa, please maaf me if I comment in English as my malay is not that fasih.HINDRAF did no do kecoh in Pak Lah’s kenduri. Go back and see those events in Pak Lah’s kenduri and compare it with what happened in Kg Kebun, touch your heart and tell me which is arrogance and which is destitute.They had tried approaching in every which manner possible but nobody wants to raise a flag for the poor and marginalized other than play the race agenda and massage it through. Why are we talking about orang melayu, orang India, orang Cina if we are all malaysians? Don’t the non Malays in Malaysia deserve the same kind of treatment of the orang melayu in a One Malaysia if that is what we preach. Rights and one’s need is not mercy and the hand outs like we are used too but their ability to benefit the nation and their society in their best ability without unnecessary humane infringement in this 21st century irrespective of the origin at least in Malaysia.Taking an antogonizing view without understand rights and basic discrimination that is condoned to only makes us a hypocrite like our friend here Calvin Sankaran. Mind you,the name sounds Indian maybe an Indian maybe not,but a hypocrite is a hypocrite no matter which origin he/she belongs too. Don’t you think we have been hypocrites long enough to acknowledge that our policies and governance needs some tweaking to address the woes that concerns rights of those deprived ones or when it is addressed rather than being a pied piper without any individual contribution?
Seingat saya pada hari terbuka tersebut, anak kecil P. Waythamoorthy hadir untuk menyerahkan kad ucapan Hari Raya yang dilukisnya kepada Pak Lah, serta kanak-kanak berumur 6 tahun itu membawa kuih-muih untuk dihadiahkan.
Terbaru, kenyataan Waythamoorthy tentang penglibatan Hindraf dalam ABU. Juga pendirian abangnya Uthayakumar. Lihat kemaskini mutakhir atas (dalam posting). Salam Malaysian in New York.
Dear Malaysian@NY aka R. Shan,
Your kurang fasih in Malay yet you demand to be given special rights as Malaysian ? Do you think the US and the UK will even grant you citizenship if you can’t speak and converse in English ? Aren’t you ashamed to be a Malaysian when you can’t speak the national language well ?
Let me refresh your memory a bit since your recollection of the event seems to be at odd with reality. Waythamoorthy wowed to “bombard” Pak Lah’s open house and later created commotion at the event. By refusing to behave in a civil manner and shouting slogans they behaved like thugs and created a negative image for the community. Personally I felt ashamed for such crude and rude behaviour.
I think you are missing the point here. Neither me or others are condoning thuggish behaviour, whether it is from UMNO, PAS or Hindraf. What happened at Jalan Kebun is wrong and unlawful and police has acted swiftly by arresting 6 people. But do not jump the gun and accuse without proof that these are UMNO members or they are politically motivated. For all we know they could have been provoked by Hindraf members, for your organization is no stranger to violence,lies and provocation. I have seen hate fueled racist speeches of your heroes, I saw the video on what really happened at Batu Caves on the 24th Nov. I have read the news how Hindraf supporters chased MIC members and leaders with weapons and destroyed their vehicles.
Most fair-minded Malaysians agree that poor people irrespective of ethnic origins should be helped and that the NEP should be finetuned to be more fair to all races. I agree with this view too. But to blame the affirmative policies and “racist” Malay-Muslims for the plight of Indian poor is both simplistic and wrong.
What Hindraf is asking is not fair policies but something that so unreasonable that it is illogical and would be unfair to other races too. That Hindraf sued the British government for billions for sending them to Malaysia itself is an affront to this country. That Hindraf chose to fly the flags of the violent Shiv Sena and idolize Indian leaders is a sign that they do not respect the country of birth. A loyal Malaysian would never destroy the reputation of his country of birth by accusation of ethnic cleansing.
In the eyes of loyal Malaysians this is a betrayal and a sign of disloyalty.
Uthaya and Waytha are no heroes and did nothing to the Indian community compared to many other leaders in politics and NGOs. All they did was to fight for criminals and other unsavory characters unworthy of help. FYI, I have followed the antics of Uthaya since 1990s well before Kg Medan.
Jalan Kebun adalah kawasan bakal MB Selangor yg baru (kalau menang)…. cannot say too much.
It’s time to keep a pistol. Better get one rather than sorry……
what for?, you want to shoot yourself or want shoot your kids and wife when there trouble????????
Calvin, I agree with your view on the similarity of black and the Indians, I am wishing for an organizations almost like Hindraf and Perkasa but more socio focus emphasizing on educations and equal employment opportunities. Indians seems to be value in call center and contact center and the Malays leaning to public services. These are two issues that should have gotten serious attention.
Also shocked to discover that they are six of these so called thugs against so many who just stand around. The lady mp should have said that it is not safe for Indians to come to PAS area since they said the attackers are actually Hasan Ali supporters. Besides ABU in itself is a provocative. And if you know it is provocative you should have taken extra security measure including notifying the Police and have more of your people to be on standby. I was ABU in 2008 (Abdullah Badawi Unfit) but as of today
my ABU is Aku Bersama UMNO. But if it is UMNO thugs going samseng on that day I don’t agree.
This topic for discussion was revolving on the blatant rowdism in Kg Kebun not unsubstantiated character assasination on HINDRAF activities or their current leaders. Calvin, it would be futile for me to respond further as one man’s meat is another man’s poison.Good luck to you Malaysian.
Helen,yes that is what happened and that is a fact not mere innuendo.
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