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Daim makes sense but the Chinese are fey

In its heyday, Malaysia Today was ‘the’ watering hole for Chinese online readers. If anyone has had enough interaction with the Chinese cyber community, it’s the MT super admin Raja Petra Kamarudin.

Yesterday, he penned a column about his erstwhile worshippers. I’m excerpting a few paragraphs below in bullet points.

Raja Petra wrote:

  • Your support is subject to me saying what you want to hear. If I say what you like to hear then you will support me. If not, you will not support me. If I need your support all I need to do is to say what you want to hear.
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  • So it is not that difficult to get your support. Your support comes very cheap. In fact, it does not cost anything. It only involves saying the right things. Hence, since it cost nothing except to say the right words, it is also of no value since the cost is only words, albeit the right words.
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  • Politicians make a living doing this. This is called playing to the gallery. You stand up there on the stage and say what the gallery wants to hear. The spectators would go wild and acclaim you. You will be the darling of the crowd. The secret to this is you must not say what you think, what you believe, or tell the truth. You must say what the crowd wants to hear, even if it is a lie.
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  • As I said, it is not that difficult to be popular. All you need to do is to understand what people want and play to the gallery. You only need to pretend and be good at play-acting. You will get tons of supporters.

Daim Zainuddin recently said something that the Chinese do not want to hear.

Again I shall excerpt in bullet points from Daim’s interview with Nanyang Siang Pau.

From the article ‘Daim warns Chinese voters of risks of their choice‘ (21 March 2012):

  • In an interview with Nanyang Siang Pau, the Umno veteran said it will not augur well for the country in the long run if the results of the next general election show that the Malay and Indian voters generally supported the Barisan Nasional (BN) while the Chinese mostly voted for the Pakatan Rakyat (PR).
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  • “If you vote for Pakatan because you are not happy with the hikes in prices of goods or the rise in the cost of living, do you think they (Pakatan) have the ability to reduce the prices of goods?” he asked.

[Helen’s reply: Actually, their supporters even believe that Pakatan have the ability to make it snow in Malaysia.]

  • He said he understood that some 80% of the Chinese voters have already decided to support the Pakatan, ignoring all the efforts of the BN. The bottomline is, they support the opposition, he said.
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  • “To me, this is an emotional decision. You cannot say, ‘no matter whether you (the government) are good or no good, all I want is to topple you’.

[Helen: Sounds like the Tun is describing ABU-ers.]

  • “If they (the Chinese) believe Pakatan is the answer to the problems facing them, I can only say they will be disappointed, because it will not be possible.

  • “Many a time, governing a country such as multi-ethnic Malaysia is akin to walking the tightrope, almost half the time is spent on maintaining balance on the wire,” he said.
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  • “To a certain extent, the Chinese voters have succeeded in becoming a pressure group. But whatever pressure applied by the Chinese would evoke a counter-pressure from the non-Chinese.”

Sino-Malay relations

A conundrum that bears some thinking (see above) is Hannah Yeoh’s tweet that she is “constantly amazed by MCA’s loyalty to Umno”.

It really is a God-given talent how this evangelist Yang Berhormat manages to channel the lowest common denominator of the mob mentality. It must be something in the water that they drink.

The complex Umno-MCA relationship is not something to be so lightly dismissed in a 140-character tweet. Yet for them, anyone who does not hate Umno with the same intensity that the DAPpers do must be either immoral or an idiot.

I’m not sure how the Umno-Malay side of the equation sees this.

But Chinese voter sentiment is clear to all.

Dong Jiao Zong’s alignment with DAP marks a milestone. With this, the Chinese have chosen their path, irrevocably. It looks like there’s no turning back nor sidetracking.

Daim said that “whatever pressure applied by the Chinese would evoke a counter-pressure from the non-Chinese”. But the 80-90 percent Chinese who are following DAP’s tune appear oblivious to Newton’s third law of motion.

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62 thoughts on “Daim makes sense but the Chinese are fey

  1. Helen, fine, RPK, TDZ has their salient points. But let me ask you one pertinent question; what droves most Chinese to vote against BN, or specifically UMNO in the first place? Was it because PR/DAP’s policy sounds very attractive and promising than BN, that the Chinese voted for them instead of BN? Does PR even have a sound national/ economic policy to start with?
    Look, Chinese has been supportive of BN since TDM’s economic boom era, down to 1999’s economic downturn (where Malay votes were all time low due to TDM-DSAI fallout) and till 2004’s TAB’s promising Islam Hadhari administration. Tell me, if the Chinese support for BN has been praised during that time or were the Chinese being used as bogeyman and punching bag time and again, at the annually held Perhimpunan Agung UMNO, through some Malay NGOs and mainstream media? Or is there an unwritten mandatory clause (just like the social contract) out there that mandated the Chinese to support BN, now and forever regardless of circumstances? Honestly, pray tell me how to convince my Chinese friends to vote for BN, or maybe we’ll just spoil our votes or don’t come out to vote at all. I’m really looking for a middle point here in manoeuvring our very complex race relationship, I really do.

    PS: You can refer to what your cousin, Kee Thuan Chye wrote in response to Utusan’s stinging piece Orang Cina Malaysia, apa lagi yang anda mahu?. Thuan Chye’s response is almost two years old already but probably still relevant.

    1. Agree that the Chinese have been used as bogeyman & convenient punching bag.

      Agree also that even when the Chinese gave full support to BN, Suqiu [诉求 = to entreat] were played out.

      I’m not asking you to convince your Chinese friends to vote for BN. (I’m not voting BN either & in fact have never voted BN in all my life.)

      The key factor hinges on the accusation that BN is irredeemably corrupt & tyrannical.

      Pakatan followers make as if their leaders are pure as snow but Umno is syaitan & MCA its “running dogs”. Ref. TDZ about “pressure” & “counter-pressure”. Every time these aggressive Pakatan fellas open their mouths, it’s to accuse & abuse and to slander & defame. How can they be so blithe as to believe that their behaviour is not courting any retaliation?

      I think whatever Pakatan’s allegation of BN, they themselves are no better. It took BN 50 years to slide down to where it is today. Tailorgate in Perak & the Ali Baba schemes uncovered by the TBH RCI took place only within a couple of months of DAP attaining power.

      Look at Pakatan’s arrogance. In GE12, they merely appealed to the voters to deny BN a 2/3 majority. By GE13, they’re already talking about taking over Putrajaya & wanting zero opposition in Pg.

      As for tyrannical, look at the daily gag orders, how they’ve misused state media (S’gor Times), how they run smear campaigns, character assassination, political assassination (which was what LGE did to Rahim Thamby Chik), their cronyism (appointment of Zairil as CEO, the Hindu Endowment Board appointees) to the level of local councillors (Hannah’s assistants).

      Why I think Pakatan is more dangerous than BN – both their capacity for corruption being equal – is that the former is more deceitful & manipulative. And better organized (the greenshirts at Lynas) & more resourceful.

      e.g. LGE was sent to jail b’cos he could not prove his allegations against RTC but his worshippers buy the hagiography that he was punished for defending the honour of the teenager (whose own grandmother said slept with 14 men & father agreed that she be placed in a home for wayward girls and all this was published in Harakah, mind you, not the mainstream media).

      Look at Pakatan’s double standards vis-a-vis CSL & Eli Wong.

      It is Pakatan which will go all out to annihilate its critics & dissidents. BN is heavy-handed but Pakatan is worse. (Take RPK’s travails lately – methinks Pakatan in power as the federal govt will treat him much more harshly.)

      TDZ has a point about “emotional(ism)” taking hold of the Chinese, so much so that rationality is lost. All the deep-seated, long-harboured resentments are colouring the Chinese individual’s critical faculties.

      The clincher is: Look at how DAP’s thrown its secular ideology out the window & PAS bringing itself to say that Islamic State is not in the Quran.

      At least Umno & MCA have stuck with their party principles and remain consistent.

      1. I am more optimistic of the people’s pragmatism.

        Be it Malay, Chinese, Indian or the Borneo natives, we all have our press buttons – issues that are close to our heart that make us more vulnerable or susceptible to manipulation. The good intent could be genuine, but we know where that sometimes lead to.

        Personally to me, DJZ has no standing whatsoever on Mandarin-based education. People should stop calling it Chinese schools because it is not about education for the Chinese Malaysians, just like how we don’t use the term Indian schools. It is a vernacular education based on the use of mother tongues, and therefore we should have SRJK(M) for Mandarin, not C for Cina. It is no more Bahasa Cina than Bahasa India.

        Decouple the ethnic dimension, and we can see clearly what it is all about.

        It is not about the right to learn Mandarin (or in Mandarin), which some claim to be the only meaningful measure of Chineseness. That would render the dialect speakers as unChinese.

        It is not about the right to have schools divided by ethnic conclaves, which some claim to be the only way Chinese culture can be preserved. That would mean that before schools and the formal education system existed, the Chinese were an uncultured lot which had no way of practicising their way of life.

        It is not about the right to better education, which some claim to be what “Chinese” schools are offering. That would mean that the Mandarin vernacular school existed on a separate plane of reality, with different syllabus, content and standards, isolated and disconnected from the rest of the national education system as a shining city on a hill.

        The reality and the raison d’etre for DJZ is the same like everything else (mostly) – money, power and control. You figure that part out and you will understand what they share in common with Perkasa, as well as the entire cadre of professional politicians from BN and PKR. Oh, there are exceptions, but you know what they say about exceptions, they are exceptionally rare.

      2. ohhhh…what an irony “Every time these aggressive Pakatan fellas open their mouths, it’s to accuse & abuse and to slander & defame”……

      3. The source of the pent up frustrations among the chinese is their perceived victimhood. They percieve that they are second class citizens because they were fed this corrosive lie by their community leaders and politicians since the dominant BN era.

        During that time, MCA appeared to kowtow (叩头) to UMNO. But they were actually ‘poisoning the well’ at the same time. I am sure you know of many MCA politicians/supporters who would smile and act in a deferential manner to curry favor and win contracts with Malay/Bumi politicians/ali babas as partners. But behind the scenes they would backbite and denounce the malay majority. They taught their children to hate.

        Now we are seeing the fruits of that hidden hatred among the chinese community , and it runs deep. I am sort of glad that they now they get to vent their frustrations. I just hope they will learn that they will lose if the majority run amok. I hope they see that the opposition leadership (especially DAP) is using the same strong-handed political tactics as BN. Those tactics won’t improve governance or transparency .

        BN on the other hand appears to have learnt their lesson. They have still a ways to go but they are being exposed by a relentless opposition. In many cases it is DAP who is leading the charge and setting agenda.

      4. yeah, u almost hit the nail on the head, I agree with your perspective but u didn’t answer why the chinese parents continue to send their kids to chinese school and indirectly hand over the power money and control to djz (who would be that naïve to believe this bunch of sucker is not a sucker), the crux is our national education policy, no?

        my extreme support to chinese education is because I believe it can work as a balance, the moment we lose this balance, the education of the primary level might resemble what happen to our local u.

        ps/ the reason i prefer to use chinese education instead of vernacular is because I am a chinese, n further to that no matter how we justify the logic (chin huat wrote a good piece on why we shdn’t call it chinese education but I think that is too academic for understanding though I fully agree with him), the core still remain very chinese.

      5. Let’s talk about your proclamation of double standards vis-a-vis CSL and Eli Wong. Was Eli Wong married to someone else at the time of having a live-in boyfriend ? You are simply too shallow to understand that it wasn’t in the distribution of the DVD vs the photos. It was the question of morality, which you clearly don’t understand.

      6. My question to godfather on Eli vs CSL issue. I don’t think anyone here defending CSL. He was wrong and he admitted his mistake, resigned from his post and made his peace with his family. But on what ground you defend Eli? No religion allows or accepts pre-martial sex and this is especially so in a publically elected rep. Not only that she did not admit (ie lied) but also refused to resign.

      7. For a period in the 60s and 70s, nobody wants to send their children to Chinese schools. At that time a lot of people wanted to send their children to St. John, St. Joseph, VU, Assunta, Convent etc.

        When that option disappeared, and with declining standards in the SK and SMKs, parents chose schools where their children will be exposed to (in their opinion) the least amount of non-education related nonsense or distraction. They all chose what they thought was the better choice for their children, but they did not realize their choice is actually contributing to the general problem, not the solution.

        Can we blame the parents? Of course not, they only did what they think is good for themselves and their children. We cannot blame them for being selfish or unwilling to do their part in fixing the worsening SKs and SMKs. Those with money will opt for international schools, and those flushed with money will send their children abroad. Who needs Bahasa Malaysia?

        So now you tell me HuaYong, is the vernacular system acting as a balance or as a spoiler? Because the Chinese parents have an option outside the education system, they do not have to invest (literally and figuratively) in the national schools. They thought the “Chinese” schools can stay aloof and remain immune to the general decline of education standards, forgetting that a national education system is not just about building schools and running them. Where will the teachers come from? Who fixes the syllabus? Who is training the teachers?

        Ignorant about the ecosystem of a healthy national education system, “Chinese” school proponents act like a petulant brat when things don’t go their way. I don’t want to teach Maths and Science in English, even if the national schools have to do it (PPSMI). I don’t want to be put in the same compound with other vernacular and national schools, even if we operate separately (sekolah wawasan). I don’t want to have a teacher that cannot speak mandarin, even if he or she is teaching English or Malay. I don’t want administrative officers or staff that are not able to converse in Mandarin, even if he or she is fully qualified (1987). I don’t want to know why there is a chronic shortage of teachers in Chinese schools, even if I have to go to the streets to protest over it. I just want the MOE to get me my “Chinese-qualified” teachers, pronto. Why, because doing all that will dillute our “sinocentric quality”.

        The biggest irony? The government is paying for the salary of ALL the teachers in “Chinese” primary schools.

        It must be noted that only about 150+ SRJKC (about 10%) are FULLY funded by the government, compared to 400+ for SRJKT, but that’s because they wanted autonomy by being PARTIALLY funded themselves.

        DJZ is not just asking for solution for its teacher shortage woes, it is asking for a racist solution via a thinly-veiled Chinese-only need apply here. National schools cannot retaliate by saying that only qualified Malay language teachers can be its top management personnel, it rewards based on seniority and performance. DJZ is itself the beneficiary of the government’s education spending, but it seeks to solve problems by demanding special attention.

        Can we have a street protest for lousy teachers being assigned to SKs and SMKs next? That would be the proper response for the persatuan guru-guru dan PIBG next.

      8. Yeah, disagree. You start to sound like propagandist under one authoritarian regime, or a proud altruist who believe people can collectively make our world a better place without acknowledging the fact that we are basically a race base country. Is PR a balance or a spoiler? Are the private school, residential school, international school, the foreign school at the other side of causeway, the many foreign university a balance or spoiler?

        If we want a collective solution, if we want a “ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country,” the present constitution just doesn’t help, and like I said, the one that could enable a collective dream if there is any, should come from a government and not a NGO.

        And what irony are you talking about? There is a huge possibility that the Chinese community don’t mind funding the whole Chinese education if such freedom is allowed, just change the voluntary donation into a mandatory one (fee), so what is the big deal? But this is of course the extreme solution which nobody looking forward.

      9. Dear HuaYong,

        Define “Chinese” community. If the Chinese community is so generous, they should STOP asking the Malaysian government to fund their schools. Did you took a poll on 325 among those deluded philanthropists?

        You are speaking as if the government is against private institutions of higher learning or private schools for the Chinese. I hate the word “Chinese” education and I think it is bullshit. The Chinese in Malaysia gets free education LIKE THE REST OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY. It is by pure choice that a majority of the Chinese Malaysians prefer MANDARIN-based vernacular education, which in this country, is perceived to be associated with better scholastic outcomes.

        Private schools ARE spoilers. When the rich have to send their children to public schools, they will care what happens to the SKs and SMKs. Education is not a for-profit business.

        Residential schools are part of the national education system. Only students from SKs need apply. Is there anything about race discrimination?

        International schools should have NEVER been allowed to take Malaysians. They were supposed to be meant for children of expatriates, not for the rich and wealthy. Every student we send overseas is a form of private investment with the hope of them ever returning. Which government on earth have you heard of funding international or private schools? And you equate them with “Chinese” schools? And please, Independent Chinese High Schools ARE private institutions.

        The government of Malaysia has funded SRJK(C) SMJK(C) to the detriment of her own. It earned no goodwill, received no recognition and certainly got no gratitude. Yet, the government acknowledges its importance and centrality to the Chinese and their ethnic sentiments.

        The biggest culprit, however, is the manipulation by DJZ to extort concessions from the MOE without giving any in return. Do they care if their actions generate bad vibes or ill will among Malaysians? All they want is money, power and control, to the extent of running their own private examinations and certification. Aren’t the “Chinese” education supporters think of themselves as “proud altruists who believe people can collectively make our world a better place”?

        Of course, the way they are doing it, this country is going to be a more race-segregated place. Yes, people ARE racists, Chinese, Malays, Indians, Bajaus, Dayaks, Ibans etc etc etc. They just don’t need more approval or affirmation of their racism.

        Perkasa is just as racist as DJZ, just like how many Chinese parents and supporters of “Chinese” education convinced themselves that it is not racist to set a foreign language requirement for hiring purposes. More than 50 years of independence, and you still see signages that read “only Mandarin speaking need apply” or outright “Chinese only”, and the excuse? They need Mandarin-speaking staff for boutiques and sales? Conversely, some have no problem whatsoever hiring Indonesians or Burmese as waiters or waitresses.

        Don’t peddle crap about having opposition being the balance, whether the opposition is BN or PR. You can pigeon-hole anyone you like, but we are talking about the national education system here. You don’t set up check and balances to keep everyone on the equilibrium (or law of averages). If “Chinese” school is part of the balance, what is it balancing against? Ethnocentrism? Elitism? Discrimination?

        SRJK(C)s are a necessity, I can live with it. But SMK(C), ICHS and all the other Mandarin-based institutions of higher learning are an ANOMALY, just like how private and international schools are not the norm, but exceptions.

        So why are you using tax-payers’ monies to fund anomalous exceptions and enriching for-profit organizations? And please don’t come back and argue that they give out scholarships. Many private colleges and university colleges and universities give out scholarships too, but it doesn’t change the fact that they are a business entity, DOH.

    2. “Chinese has been supportive of BN since TDM’s economic boom era, down to 1999′s economic downturn (where Malay votes were all time low due to TDM-DSAI fallout) ”

      Kawan di waktu senang?

  2. simple answer to this.
    the malaysian chinese wants to control the malaysian economy and obviously the next step would be the political side of it.
    DAP knew that this would be impossible since politics involved the majority. So pressuring UMNO to split up, taking PAS and PKR into their paylist and provoking MCA in becoming BN enemy.
    how to do this?
    get money (capex) , with 5 states and DAP loyalist, you got it made
    provoke racist. this everyone know.

    but as daim said is true
    once you got puppet running this country with hungry majority (malays), and chinese businesses person needs money to run their businesses , how on earth you gonna control them?

  3. Some observtations in additions to Helen’s excellent points.

    1. It is very interesting to compare what actually Daim said and what the alternative media reported (at least ones who did anyway). They reported that BN is only safe in 3 states while his bigger and more important (and more insightful) message was buried inside or not reported at all.

    2. Much of the so-called the rise of the Right among the Malays that the Chinese are unhappy about (Perkasa, accusations of conversions of Muslims,Utusan, etc) are direct response to the rise of Chinese / Indian assertiveness in the post-Mahatir era. The way the Church handled the issues of Lina Joy, Allah, etc. The manner the Chinese treated the issues of “nude squat”, TBH, etc and the way Hindraf walked the streets all spooked the Malay psyche. The worse was the outcome of the 12GE. Many Malays voted against BN rather than for PR mainly for the excesses and also due to bread-and-butter issues of fuel hikes and inflation. But they did not expect or foresee the sea change that resulted from their decision. They were horrified to see DAP controlling Perak and Penang and having equal power to PKR and PAS in Selangor. They saw how DAP split the Malays among UMNO,PKR and PAS but grabbed 80% of the Chinese votes. They saw how LGE openly declared he will repel NEP in Penang. So the Malay mindset changed to the other extreme. Many Malays who did not like UMNO (like our overseasbumi here) swtiched their support to UMNO just to ensure that DAP does not further split the community and then steal both economic and political power from Malays and leave them to the fate of Singaporean Malays.

    3, The Malay views on MCA and MIC is no secret. They have this understanding since pre-Merdeka days. As I had said earlier,MCA’s and MIC’s roles are primarily defensive where they want to preserve their cultural identity in exchange for Malay special rights.The only other option would be a full assimilation ala Thai and Indon which the minorities do not wish to have. They realised that this is a good compromise. UMNO understands though during the reign of the god-sent Anwar as the Minister of Education mother-tongue education came under siege.

    4. As for the Chinese support for BN,let’s put some myths that spun by alternative media and uninformed political commentators to rest. The Chinese traditionally have given DAP a strong support and this can be seen from their showings in the urban areas. Generally the support have been 50 or more %. The only time this support reduced was during the 1996 and 1999 elections. The Chinese supported BN in 1999 not because they liked Dr M but because they were spooked by the blood-thirsty killings and mass rapes of Chinese in Indonesia during the “Reformasi” era in 1998. Anwar stupidly used the same slogan of “Reformasi” and also organised street demo and this was the factor for the Chinese swing. Before that it was due to DAP’s nikah with PAS was viewed with suspicions.

    5. The current Chinese love affair with DAP is not too difficult to decipher. It has nothing to do with BN’s policies, corruption, lack of democratic space, environmental issues or human rights. It is all about DAP being the protector of the Chinese and their only hope for removal of the NEP. Of course DAP will never openly say they will remove NEP (though they did during the 12 GE) but this is their message (in Mandarin of course) over the decades. DAP’s struggle always been about NEP and Malaysian First is merely a code word for the removal of NEP. There is a core bunch of Chinese who will vote for DAP just like the fanatics of PAS. These folks consist probably around 40% to 50%. The rest either won’t vote or vote for BN depending on the situation. But when Pak Lah took over, he relaxed the media controls and this allowed the media (both MSM Chinese and alternative) to openly attack BN and promote pro-DAP propaganda. DAP stepped up the attacks and sent a message that with Pakatan they have a real strong chance of forming the Fed govt that will repel NEP and lead to the Chinese Utopia of NEP-less Malaysia. I will bet my bottom dollar that even if DAP is even more corrupt than BN and this independently proven, these people will still vote DAP.
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    Thanks Calvin. Food for thought indeed. I like this observation: “I will bet my bottom dollar that even if DAP is even more corrupt than BN and this independently proven, these people will still vote DAP.” As with the rest of the DAPper hypocrisy.– Helen

    1. Did I tell a story of my DAP-loving colleague who was sacked by my company for taking bribes from numerous suppliers ? But because of lack of witnesses and also to avoid publicity, this was not reported to the police. But his guy supports DAP and hates BN because it (BN) is corrupt. When one of the local DAP leader was asking for money from my company to expedite some approvals, this guy still defended the DAP guy as his bribes are “not in billions like the evil UMNO/BN”….

      Exhibit 2: Lynas vs Bosch solar plant. While those green-clad DAP fanboys and gals rose to become Mother Earth loving “Save Malaysia” warriors in protesting Lynas,they are defending Penang’s Bosch solar panel plant as safe as it was approved by DOE.

      1. Careful, Helen is anti-Lynas also.

        Opposition sites claim to be a-politicial when discussing Lynas but any technically-minded person –Calvin is probably one as he works in the semiconductor industry– can see Lynas’ technical demerits are exaggerated to promote a political agenda.
        See this article:

        http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/sideviews/article/lets-de-politicise-the-lynas-issue-stop-lynas-coalition/

        The article is very one sided. The comments section reveals many technical counter-points, but those are the ones permitted by TMI’s nazi administrators. One can imagine the comments not permitted by TMI.

        IAEA has determined the measures in place are following internationla guidelines

        Click to access lynas-report2011.pdf

        A pro Lynas website is this:
        http://www.lynasandmalaysia.com/

        I think DAP/PR is jumping on the Fukushima bandwagon for political gain.

      2. Hello,

        Regarding Lynas, have you forgotten about the Bk Merah incident where radio active waste frm rare earth processing caused many birth defects, illnesses & deaths.

        The solar power plant doesn’t deal with significant amount of radio active material. FYI, there is a plant in Kulim also making solar panels.

      3. DAPster cybertrooper dave uses the ‘talking points’ he learned from his green-shirt seminar, where they were forced to memorize the typical ‘talking points’ concerning Lynas.

        He, like many of his people, use rote learning passed down from his trainers, teacher and community leaders. Critical and impartial thinking isn’t part of the repertoire of his ‘people’.

        As a young child he was probably inculcated with the idea that NEP/Article 153 is bad, western and confucious thinking is superior! He probably hates BN (sorry, I meant UMNO) with a passion. Of course, there is subtext in his hatred which runs deeper and which he won’t reveal in public.

        Although I had given links for him to study on this Lynas issue, davy here chose to ignore them.

        If he just took 2 minutes to read, he would get a different view. I paste it here. It’s in English. I won’t translate it to Mandarin for his benefit.

        From http://www.lynasandmalaysia.com:

        What about the waste?

        One of the LAMP residues contains very low levels of Thorium. Lynas is neither extracting nor concentrating the Thorium, so the low level of radiation remains the same – from raw material through transport, processing and waste.

        Is LAMP the same as the rare earths plant in Bukit Merah?

        The LAMP is completely different to the Bukit Merah rare earths plant. The Bukit Merah plant processed “monazite” from the waste of tin mines, which is very different to the rare earths we are processing. There are now much higher standards in place which mean Bukit Merah could never be repeated.

        What about radiation?

        Even though low-level radiation is part of daily life and all around us we understand the concern and have rigorous processes to limit any exposure. There is low-level radiation from sunlight, from appliances such as televisions, radios, mobile phones, computers and light globes and from basic medical procedures. Exposure to our rare earths poses no more risk than these everyday occurrences.

        Also from the IAEA report:

        The rare earths concentrate shipped from Mt. Weld to Kuantan is reported to contain 0.13–0.16% thorium and 0.0021–0.0029% uranium. The sum of the activity concentrations of Th-232 and U-238 is therefore about 6 Bq/g.

        For exposure to process material with a Th-232 concentration of about 6 Bq/g, the dose for a full working year (2000 h) would therefore be less than 5 mSv, almost three times lower than the estimate in the RIA.

        In actual plant conditions, the annual dose from gamma radiation can be expected to be even lower than 5 mSv because the source is likely to be smaller, the average distance from the source is likely to be greater and the annual exposure period is likely to be shorter.

        In terms of IAEA Safety Guide RS-G-1.7 and IAEA Safety Reports Series No. 49:
        (a) Materials with radionuclide activity concentrations below 1 Bq/g are considered to be within the range of normal rocks and soil, and are not regarded as radioactive for the purposes of regulation;
        (b) Materials with radionuclide activity concentrations between 1 and 10 Bq/g are regarded as radioactive for the purposes of regulation, but should be considered as possible candidates for exemption by the regulatory body. Typically, the granting of an exemption is the most appropriate regulatory option if the radiation doses received by individuals do not exceed 1 mSv per year.2

        The hidden subtext in the Lynas debate is that UMNO (read Malays/Bumis) won’t be competent enough to regulate radioactive substances, even though this has been done for decades.

        However, if DAP is in power, I won’t be surprised if they change their tune. Everything would be open to them. Nuclear power would certainly be considered, and they’d spin into something necessary for the country’s future yadda yadda…

    2. I pray that May 13 does not recur. Otherwise not one Chinese or Malay will be left standing in Malaysia. The Indonesians, ha ha, will then take over the country.

  4. Helen, don’t fall into the trap, stay a journalist, see this link by MGG Pillai on http://www.malaysiakini.com/columns/47517. Fortunately I was able to spend some time with him and his thoughts which i cherish to this day. We have too many smooth operators with a motive these days. Calvin Sankaran has perceived many things in his usual assumption method when nothing that we were able to dictated over a blog or comments like we are able to throw out to you. I never worry about inaction but action and trust me whatever crap of malay-Sino agenda did nothing nor will do anything until as you have seen until the uprise of HINDRAF to dictate and motivate the direction of the nation in action. Mind you, the minority created the change. If we the public are able to accept and deal with the truth and reality as a Malaysian, why then the problem and justify what it is and how it can be. Nobody can claim credit for this unless like you for how you have played the part to ensure besides worrying whether you spook someone else for the truth. Like what Galileo says ” All truth are easy to understand once it is discovered, but the point is to discover it and to do something about it”. Just curious how is Fisherman’s Wharf is doing these days. Calvin Sankaran, go google up this and maybe you then have so many things to say about it with your usual assumption that did nothing to change anything.
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    I haven’t been to Fisherman’s Wharf for a quite a while now. My writings have remained consistent in theme. It is they who flip 180-degrees (like on hudud & throwing Tan Yi Min to the wolves). But do you know that I’m blackballed in their media aggregation & blogrolls whereas other writers – simply for fulfilling the BN-bashing agenda – are frequently given space? — Helen

  5. Helen, your grit makes a difference for spineless & agenda driven Malaysians. We will appreciate you for what you are as a Malaysian in a pure sense without any individual agenda like UMNO’s 1malaysia or DAP’s Malaysian first.

    1. Grit or outright blindness ? Blinded by hatred against the DAP that she can’t tell the difference between a RM2000 accusation vs a RM 2 billion accusation.

  6. Hi,

    It is quite interesting to see this discussion taking place and emphasis placed on SMJK or otherwise. I agree it is about politics and I only agree with Tun Daim on his point of that the Chinese community must not think of “I want to topple you” mentality. Please remember, any split among the Malays will be temporary! So the topple you mentality may result in a severe back lash (which I would rather not see).

    Let us try to break it down to the atomic position of say 5 Malays, 3 Chinese and 1 Indian. What do they want? I am sure that the true thing that each one desires is “fair bargain”. It is the same for everybody. Buy a car at same price and get same service. Right? Not a question of which race should be excluded.

    At present, we cocoon ourselves in separate schools. For what? Intra community, we see people cocooning from each other. One easy way is to create fear of the unknown. So that the disparate sets of people stay within themselves. Who will lose in the end?

    The Chinese are an enterprising lot. Without the SMJK they would still have a place in Malaysian sun.

    With BN, a larger percentage of the Chinese, than the Malays, have done well.

  7. Fortunately,

    1. I agree with you completely that there are many smooth operators with motives these days. But this applies to both sides of the spectrum and not just applicable to the usual “evil” BN/UMNO owned media organization. Nobody is hiding the facts that Utusan, Berita Harian, the Star or the NST supports the current government. Being public listed companies their funding is an open secret and they survive on their readership. If Malaysians do not like these media organizations, they can vote with their feet (as many PR supporters have done so). No body is forcing anyone to pay Rm1.20 to buy and read the NST for example.

    2. However on the other-hand, our alternative media tries to play the “independent” media role while being blatantly spewing out pro-PR propaganda and ant-BN “news”.They hide behind assumed names and do not disclose their funding or backers. Look at MKini, none of their guest contributors are even remotely neutral, it is anti-BN bashing all the way. Look at the letters, any letter that is critical of PR are censored while rambling and illogical ones are published. Look at FMT,their writers do not write stories but opinion pieces that have one aim; attack BN.Is this kind media that you think is responsible ?

    3. You are quoting MGG Pillai but he’s no better than Mkini in terms of impartiality. I could call him courageous but most certainly not neutral.

    4. You seems to have taken offense to some of my views. I don’t think it my style that irks you but rather my view points that DAP/PR are worse off in terms of political choice. If you disagree with me,please be specific rather than being wishy washy and spew some generic motherhood. FYI I am not trying to influence here but merely state my opinions. In case you don’t like it, you can either go elsewhere or skip my comments. Neither Helen or myself is forcing you to read them.

    5. Fisherman’s Wharf : I have no clue what you are talking about. Is it a restaurant ? If that so, I am sorry, I don’t do food review. LOL

  8. I think the DAP supporters, especially the chinese, do not mix around with other races, esp. Malays, thus their total lack of perspective on reality. If you go on the ground including in the city centre, with the exception of the malay-bangsar-wannabe-mat-saleh group, ALL that i spoke to who were disgusted with BN pre-2008 and voted for the opposition, are all saying one thing and one thing alone…CINA DAH MELAMPAU! And mind you, these are the modern middle malays, not the hardcore perkasa type. They are so fed-up with the chinese, and they complain that the arrogant attitude that the DAPsters have have even spilt into the working environment. Ini belum menang lagi…kalau menang, lagi gila! Belum menang lagi and dah corrupt and bongkak…whether Millions or billions, who cares…mencuri is still mencuri! I shudder to think what will happen if they win…

    And seriously, do the chinese actually believe if pakatan wins, they would actually abolish NEP and bumi rights and risk the wrath of over 60 % of the population? Knowing how pakatan is an expert at twisting and spinning, they would probably abolish NEP only to introduce another policy that will be even more bumi-friendly to placate the majority bumi. Every politician knows that in order for the minority to live in peace and to prosper, the majority has to be happy. I don’t think pakatan is that stupid as to commit suicide by abolishing malay rights…so,i believe cakap aje, spin aje, in the end, we will have the same system running but with another ‘name’…
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    “DAPsters”, good one, I shall use this word next time.

    I concur that the Chinese are being conned if they’re foolish enough to believe that DAP-Pakatan will abolish bumiputera category. I also agree with you that they will instead raise the bumi quotas just to get Malay votes.

    Presuming you’re a Malay, my question for you: If the end result benefits you, i.e. more bumi privileges under DAP (due to their Hasnah Yeop ampu-bodek behaviour), then why not you vote Pakatan lah? — Helen

    1. I concur with Melonhead. That’s the exactly the feeling I get from my Malay friends and in Penang this feeling is heightened because of the demographic advantage that the Chinese enjoy (for now).

      Helen, I am very sure that if BN/Najib removes the NEP today, the Chinese would not gain much.They would not be better off than now. They would not want to work in the govt nor interested in Class F contracts that is now only open for bumis. They will be only interested in big ticket projects which they already getting it now. Public university admission and overseas scholarship is one area they would claim to benefit but then again I don’t think many would take it up since it would mean to come back to Malaysia to work.

      Melonhead is right in saying that if the PR wins GE they will replace NEP but replace with a new scheme that is even more advantageous to the bumis.But the different would that the govt will be headed by a Malay (Anwar) but run by the DAP Chinese who will be only interested to help them and their cronies to enrich themselves. The new NEP would not help the bumis because this is merely a political tool ala Penang’s CAT slogan – a PR exercise. The model that Malaysia would be under Pakatan is the current Selangor govt. They will have a lot of bumi companies and shareholders – but all run by DAPsters (to borrow Melonhead’s term) behind the scheme. In short, an Ali Baba state.
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      Interesting take … lemme mull over this. — Helen

      1. So you think that DAP/PR will take ali-baba-ism to a whole new level ; ali-baba on steroids, I assume?

        I think I represent the bumi/malay professional community when I say that we all hate the ali-baba concept and tokenism.

      2. No such thing as removing the NEP. Or replacing it with anything PR style. DS Najib tried to quieten or soften it by engaging foreigners to draft the New Economic Model, of which the 1st part of the Proposal hardly mentioned the NEP. Look at the hue and cry by Perkasa and 150 or so NGOs. And the heated debates, the shrill accusations and the strongly felt rancour.

        Najib had to make the NEP visible again in the 2nd part of the NEM proposal. I think anybody trying to replace NEP will bring about a bloodbath. The playing field is far from being levelled in many aspects of the economy of this country.

        I believe Ali Baba-ism is here to stay for so long as the Chinese are not prepared to co-operate in making the NEP a success or bring in Malays and Bumiputeras as genuine business partners. Business is a chain, so many links along the way, practically all are controlled by the Chinese. Discriminating pricing and business terms (different prices to Bumis and non Bumis have often been spoken about), supply quantities and quality, delivery dates and payment terms all play a part in ensuring the Bumi businesses’ dependence on the Chinese. Until and unless the Government is prepared to build a supply chain, a distribution network like Pernas was designed to be decades ago but Pernas itself was milked and sabotaged by we know who.

        And the Government has to seriously provide not only training but guidance to Malay businesses from the smallest to the higher levels. Many Chinese grew from rags to riches – Lim Goh Tong from brick-laying, Boon Siew from bicycle repairing, Lai Sing from earth-moving tractor driving. The Chinese construction contractors started from just one unit, self-operated, used tractor, Class F fellows, moving to become small, then big-time sub-contractors, later become big time “Ali Baba” major contractors. They do not mind that system as they may just abandon the contracts when problematic, no harm to the name of their companies which are not in the contracts, only the Malays will lose their Class A registration and such.

        I think the Government must try to seriously build Malay businesses from the bottom up, otherwise Ali Baba-ism will remain forever. Remember that the Malays do not have a culture of doing business, of risk and profit taking, of wealth accumulation – only a culture of “berdagang” or barter trading i.e exchanging goods for daily needs. True, there are now Malay-owned Hicoms and Proton, but there are hundreds of thousands of goreng pisang and nasi lemak kinds of businesses that must be built up and promoted for a genuine structure of Malay business pyramid to emerge and last, so that the playing field can eventually be levelled.

      3. Hi overseasbumi,

        I think so. What PR have done in Selangor (and in Perak before) is to bring the Ali Baba to a whole new level from commercial Ali Babasm to Ali Baba state where the govt is headed by a bumi but owned and run by the PR Chinese.

        I feel for you on Ali Baba accusations. I have seen how the DAP folks dismiss the achievements of sincere and hardworking bumis as a case of Ali Baba, NEP favorism or cronyism. They use these terms to degrade and insult the bumis. I can feel the hurt and humiliations that you guys must endure.

    2. Tell me what other bumi privileges can DAP give? I doubt there is any thing that hasn’t already been offered by BN.

      Bumis are not so stupid as to want all chinese businesses handed over ‘gratis’ to bumis like what Zimbabwe did. But this doesn’t stop DAPsters from using Zimbabwe as an example to paint the worst possible picture of Malaysia’s NEP policies. I have seen DAP sites compare Malaysia with Zimbabwe many times.

      To me the problem is the inherent chinese chauvinism. Bumis — and many other races/people worldwide, for that matter — view chinese ethnic affinity for one another as in-born. This affinity enables them to have their own ‘affirmative action’. Many generations before the formation of Malaysia, chinese ‘affirmative action’ was well established and the british colonialist allowed it to happen. Fortunately Malays were given political power, or we would be in a worse position today.

      Unless DAP can magically erase chinese chauvinism built into the collective chinese psyche, any new DAP promise to promote racial fairness would appear like ‘pie in the sky’ ideas.

      I doubt that integrated schools would help change chinese social behavior. Thailand has integrated schools, yet thai chinese chauvinism continues to exist. Their dominance of the economy is even more overwhelming despite their lower proportion in the overall population. This pattern f behavior among many chinese communities through out the world.

    3. Agreed. I voted against BN with hope for better country. I have always been surrounded by close Chinese friends, some are like sisters some are like brothers to me, some spent almost five years of Aidil Fitri in my Kampung.

      I want equal opportunity. I want equal employment opportunity. But it has gotten worst in Malaysia. Do you know I have a client who is among leading banks requested that I change English test for the Chinese Grad because they fail miserably and they also banned Malays from attending interview for certain positions because they afraid the Malays will be hired instead. Guess the race of the hiring manager…. no need to guess lah.. yet they keep spinning that government only employ Malays (go check JPA and see how many Chinese apply to work for government), that Malays graduates not good enough that is why they are not getting job with private sector and when they don’t get the job because their weaknesses it is because the Malays.

      You want teachers why don’t you get those Chinese to apply. You sowed so much hate and you want the Chinese to serve the Government. How dare you demand for this when on one hand you have nothing nice to say about the government. Then go and do your own recruitment. Education Minister should just give them the money and let them hire their own teachers. That is more sensible things to do.

    4. hi helen,

      in another thread, i think someone came up with another good term – “DAPputras”.

      i guess that would be so ngam to describe the Penang DAPsters, yah? ;)

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      I kinda like ‘DAPster’. I shall adopt it with gusto, after due credit to the originator. Evokes an imagery of drag racing (attitude like the loud, revving cars) & the crowd of jostling streetfighters. Btw, their behaviour is not restricted to cyberspace. Offline the Penangites osso behave like dat one. — Helen

    5. the chinese believe the remove of nep = remove of corruption, that is all. dun project too much.

    6. The problem started because so many Malays are so penakut. It would be feet and punches first from me if I ever hear the DAPsters say bad things about Umno or BN. Some people will only see sense if their heads are bashed.

  9. You give space to Daim only because you selectively take a part of his interview re warning the Chinese. Why don’t you publish Daim’s interview in full, where he also “advised” UMNO on what not to do ?

    [*** allegations against Daim — edited].

    There are two foxes guarding the henhouse in those days, so I won’t trust whatever Daim says.

    It will be really sad if BN wins in GE13, but it will be a tragedy if BN wins a two-thirds majority. The Chinese will move their assets out of the country as it will be destined to go bankrupt.

    1. I am sure you don’t trust Daim.But if he goes to MK tomorrow and say that UMNO is rotten to the core, Najib is a murderer and corrupt and that BN will fall in GE14, you will declare your love,respect and complete trust in him.

      You are so predictable… typical DAPocrite.

    2. You really believe chinese will move their asset out of the country? In the first place, how do they have so much asset if they have been marginalized?

    3. I would love it if all these kiasu Chinese were to leave the country, for good. Malaya or Malaysia was already prosperous and cultured thousandsof years before the Chinese set foot on this blessed land.

  10. Raja Petra is clearly a compromised asset. His longing to return, his worry for his son, made him compromise with UMNO – be critical on both sides, and not just on BN, and the harrassment will stop.

    1. wah compromised ASSet , so his ASSet belong to some one else?. i always thought that it belong to his wife.
      ;):0:))

  11. I repeatedly reading comment no 12 and no 25, waiting for a respond to it, …like somebody will come up saying….it is all bullshit, …we are always “fair” “equal”, “color-blind” and Malaysia for Malaysian”…..
    while NEP is clearly documented,…this is not…..and hshhhh…don’t comment…..leave it like that….slowly they will forget……like the “Big Broom”…
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    Just to let Pak Ard & other readers know, the comment numbers may shift, i.e. when there’s a ‘Reply’ to the original commenter. Better to identify by time stamp. — Helen

  12. Helen,

    One employee from a leading Bank complained to Bank Negara way back on 2000. He complained that 16 audit department staff did not get even a cent ( on bonus). and all of them happened to be Malays. Bank Negara enquired. Unfortunately the bank was unable to reason why all of them “happened” to Malays.

    Finally, after unable to “satisfy” Bank negara why only Malays were not given bonus, that particular bank gave in and paid the bonus.

    This is a true story related by that particular staff to me.

    Contrary to majority of Chines perception, racism against the non Chinese is rampant in private sector. But of course, I must be dreaming to think that DAP or Guan eng will speak up on the behalf.of the malays.

    The response of the malays is predictable. They just resigned.

    And contrary to reality, the standard of English among non Malay graduates is wanting too, just like the Malays. But what we are hearing is that Malay graduates are unemployable.

    While private sectors hire Chinese graduates without a fuss, a lot of restriction( being hired is already a miracle) is put on the Malays.

    From the viewpoint of malays, Chinese ( just like Malays) are at crossroad. The debate between Dr chua ang Guan eng( no award for realising who is honest between the 2) symbolizes 2 diverging point.

    One argues for a more dominant political role( meaning taking over control of politics from Malay) versus a time tested power sharing with Malays dominating( simply because they are the majority).

    It is good for Chinese to realize that the Malays are also learning from them. Many of them saying “why must we support MCA or Gerakan in Malay majority area”.

    And the precisely the reason why Kuantan, Bandar Tun Razak, Teluk Kemang, Pasir Panjang, Lunas, Ijok were won by Malay candidates, albeit from opposition.

  13. Hi Yeah, who told you the Chinese community is generous? If you think Chinese education is not part of the national education system, you can choose to stop the funding like many here suggest, and 54 years in power is not goodwill, not gratitude and not recognition? I did mention our core ideology is race base so what exactly is your point to substantiate my assertion by narrating the same with plentiful examples? Are we in a merry-go-round?

    My comment on the many schools is a rhetorical one to stress my idea that the government has no clue how to move toward a cohesive and quality education system, not to debate in the angle of race, we still see the whole system tend to accommodate the affluence and influential class, is CS not having the role to lessen the gap and bring about a balance for those who aspire a decent quality education with minimal cost? The continuous falling of quality and standard from our local universities is not one apparent indicator? Perhaps you should elaborate more on your vision of national education system before we delve deeper.

    I have no idea what is your position with regard to vernacular education, seem like you are okay with SRJKC but not CIS, I don’t know how you reconcile the two when both are similar in approach, the difference is that our MOE recognized the former but not the latter, thus what choice do they have if not churning out their version of examination and certification, pray tell so I can learn from you the tactic to pigeon-hole.

    That is fine if anyone wish to equal Perkasa to DJZ or vice versa, however the root of the issue is sentiment and reality that impact on the Malay and Chinese community pertaining to economy and education, we can choose to acknowledge their (or the sentiment behind those demand) needs and wants, or just label them as racist and continue to run in circle.

    1. Do you not understand what is UNESCO’s position on the matter of mother tongue education? How can you say that SRJK(C) and ICHS are similar? SRJK(C) and SMJK(C) are still bound to the national education syllabus, ICHSs do not. It is not about “recognition” by the MOE, you do not “recognize” schools, especially not in today’s open examination system where anyone can take the standardized tests. Your faulty argument is evident when you attempt to justify the UEC based on the need for certification. Students from private schools can sit for PMR, SPM or STPM, you know, which includes the ICHS.

      As I suspected, your idea of a “balance” refers to the supposed “decent quality education with minimal cost”, with emphasis on “decent quality”. So, essentially, the argument is that ICHS are cheap private schools. Why not just call a spade a spade?

      Sure, I can live with the idea of cheap private schools, even if they use Mandarin or German as the medium of instruction and an entire syllabus of their own. But the need for private schools in the first place is an evasion of the need to improve the public education system. Education is the instrument for social mobility, but when the rrich have the means to circumvent the system and to entrench the poor with lesser alternatives, this calls for change. The solution is not to encourage more, but less of such escapism.

      The reality is that we have people who are too deep in their convictions to consider alternatives. Obscured by sentimentalism and propaganda, deluded partisans are unable to rise to see a common good, a common need and a common goal. The PPSMI episode clearly showed how divided the Malay language champions and Mandarin language proponents are. Even in the face of adversity, they refused to join hands and sought to find solutions of their own. The “Chinese” schools negotiated additional class periods to show an appearance of compliance with PPSMI requirements.

    2. yeah hua yong, you got apoint there . but which come first the chicken or the egg?, if get my drift,where do we begin?, who get is the one to give way?

  14. Hi Yeah, I have to say yours is a fascinating read, at least you make me think and reassess my stance, not fully agree though.

    Just to clarify a few points, I am aware of Unesco viewpoint, however I didn’t claim both SRJKC and CIS are the same, I said the approach is identical whereby Chinese is used as medium, unlike you, I expand my support of Chinese (or vernacular) education into the realm of diversity, and I think this the ways forward in many countries. Wrt recognize, I meant even if CIS employ Chinese as medium language onto the common syllabus similar to what is practiced by SRJKC, the government would never include them as part of the national school system. Finally pertaining to balance, I am not as optimistic as you by looking at our history and what the Chinese school went through, my trust toward the present government is still at the skeptical level, besides decent quality and cost, I would deem balance as a point that could minimize the extremism of two or more force, the lack of it might cause the aggression of stronger party toward the weaker party, for instance, I do not have a choice not to do form 6, and the chances for me to get into a boarding school are pretty slim.

    And to answer kotaypanjang (TLD?) as well, a more educated Malaysian in term of quantity and quality plus a change of political landscape could help us to break through the vicious cycle, besides, most parent want the best for their kids, not many care about empathy and unity, everyone become more individualistic and less collective.

    Thank for the well written comments and I learn a lot. I could be wrong but I think your persistence toward the term vernacular instead of Chinese is parallel to my inclination to use Lunar and not Chinese new year at certain point of time.

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