Bersambung dari ‘Eh, Guan Eng belum ajar Dong Jiao Zong lagi ke?’
Posting awal ini membincangkan manifesto “common identity” yang digembar-gemburkan Lim Guan Eng dan DAP sebagai falsafah Malaysian First parti mereka.
Hannah Yeoh (lihat bawah) beberapa hari lepas menekankan mesej “in a nation like Malaysia where race is used to divide its people, a single identity as Malaysian is BADLY needed.” Akan tetapi adakah kita mahu bergalaskan kerangka identiti DAPster mereka?
Screenshots di bawah diambil daripada sesi soal-jawab Twitter yang diadakan real time dengan Hannah dalam rancangan ‘On The Spot’ anjuran The Star iPad.
Moderator bergelar ‘bongkersz’ menapis soalan dari awam untuk dikemukakan kepada Adun Subang Jaya itu yang juga baru-baru ini dilantik menjadi anggota Selcat.
Soalan oleh Lim SK (bawah) mencerminkan budaya samseng DAPster [walaupun ia tidak terpilih oleh moderator untuk dijawab Hannah].
Seterusnya, lihat pada gaya Hannah menjawab Tan Keng Liang. Selepas lebih 20 minit, Hannah mencuba sekali lagi (sebagai langkah damage control.)
Pada hemat saya, soalan yang diajukan oleh Keng Liang adalah munasabah manakala cara Hannah menjawab membayangkan sikap cepat melenting.
Bukan setakat memperli “Wat kinda question is this?” tetapi Hannah juga mempamerkan sifat seorang yang sukar menerima pandangan yang bercanggah.
Ditanya bagaimana reaksi jika anaknya bila besar nanti mempunyai pendapat politik yang berbeza daripada ibubapa, Hannah dengan begitu yakin menjawab, “Shay will not be race based in her views”.
“A SINGLE IDENTITY AS MALAYSIAN”
… one race … many schools
“AS A MALAYSIAN FIRST”
… SO IRONIC …
“DOES NOT MEAN ONE IS RACIST”
… SOOOOO DEFENSIVE, WOR …
Jawapan berbelit Hannah kepada Zaidel memang sebiji macam lidah sifunya Lim Guan Eng, iaitu tidak memberi respons yang menepati kehendak soalan.
Seperti Keng Liang tadi, Zaidel nyata mengemukakan suatu soalan yang cukup valid.
Hannah pula mengelak dengan menimbulkan tuduhan menyimpang “rasisme”. Kemudian mengalih topik kepada perkauman dengan mengungkit perkara SRJK (C) juga mempunyai murid Melayu dan India walhal Zaidel bertanyakan tentang bahasa penghantar.
Hannah juga mendakwa kalau Pakatan mengambil alih Putrajaya, mereka tidak akan menganak-tirikan mana-mana negeri kerana Pakatan bukan berperangai macam BN.
Saya rasa sebenarnya Pakatan boleh lagi teruk BN jika sikap berat sebelah Speaker DUN Selangor menjadi ukuran.
Ataupun lihat pada liputan Selangor Times.
Walaupun jawapan Hannah – bahawa dia akan mendesak supaya proses pelantikan ahli majlis tempatan dirombak – mungkin menyedapkan telinga tetapi pada hakikatnya dia cakap tak serupa bikin.
Edward Ling, iaitu setiausaha politik Hannah, telah dilantik menjadi ahli Majlis Perbandaran Subang Jaya (tamat perkhidmatan tahun ini) manakala pembantu peribadinya Rajiv Rishyakaran masih kekal sebagai kaunsilor MPSJ. Bukankan pelantikan kedua-dua orang itu berciri kronisme?
Ditanya “What is your biggest dream for this country?”, Hannah menjawab “Malaysia to be free from race based politics and free from corruption”.
Lu ‘caya dia?
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“Lu ‘caya dia?”….smack on her face, hehe
typical racist kiasu hypocrite….plenty in DAP, PKR
And none in umno? Can’t wait for pr to win. Enough of bullshit from Helen and co.
The bullshit is actually in Malaysiakini, Malaysian Insider and such blogs. And from this bloke calling himself Sshsn.
I have long wanted to write this but when the suitable post came out, often found myself having to respond on other aspects of the Opposition bullshit and forgot writing it:
Perhaps someone should start a blog dedicated solely to whacking the venomous blogs like M’kini and MI. Write posts that address each and every one of their blog posts one by one. Counter argue them, provide the correct facts and arguments, state the authorities, quote the experts and all.
Write only about the Opposition parties, leaders and known members. Accuse them, substantiate with facts, justify with valid arguments. Periodically accuse them wildly like they have been doing frequently – to let them taste a bit of their own medicine.
Answer comments from the “non-incorrigible, non hardcore” Opposition party members and supporters. Publish all comments, even the lewd and skewed ones to show readers what sort of blokes they are made of. Wherever possible, make fun of them.
There a few blogs solely dedicated to Opposition bashing existing in the Internet. But I wish a person with a flair for writing and interest in researching like Helen would do the job. Helen’s current blog does contain posts on other than Opposition parties, their leaders etc, and I personally feel it’d be good for her to continue that way. It’s good to have a spread of pro and con views as exist in here, especially when said in a civil manner.
But I’d like to see a blog solely designed to disabuse the Opposition abuses in their propaganda so-called “news portals” that Home Affairs Minister Hishamuddin has given a warning (M’kini) and ex-MAS boss Tajuddin Ramli has sued to the tune of hundeds of million Ringgit (MI).
Alas, I can only say but not do on this one. I’m practically IT illiterate and prefer only to spend whatever time available to do some whacking on others’ blogs rather than in a blog of my own.
wait panjang- panjang
Do you think this ‘Sshsn’ is same as ‘Ccscsc’ commenting at Stop The Lies & elsewhere?
Ha-ha-ha about the plenty “kiasu”.
What’s smacking in the face is her statement “Don’t confuse language with race” in reply to Zaidel’s question about national school and medium of instruction.
These DAPster tekongs have a most startling talent for ignoring their own inherent contradictions.
This “Don’t confuse language with race” is the same politician who herself confused race with nationality in filling up her daughter’s birth certificate particulars.
What Hypocrites! I hope they won’t learn. Hahaha. Fooling themselves again and again. Just because they are louder does not mean that the rakyat agrees with them. Bn learned it the hard way. I found that most Malaysians will keep quiet when they dont agree with you, but come election time, their vote will go the other way. I like the way they’re doing things now, having own committee to judge own members, then expecting the rakyat to swallow? Good, .good. Pas doing the same in Kedah, with a new driver for their MB. Hahaha.
At least Bn doesn’t try to whitewash dirty laundry themselves. If members do wrong, they face either Royal Enquiry, MACC probe, and court. Even if found not guilty, leaders will step down if perception is bad enough. Not so in Pakatan. They’re getting cocky just because the rakyat chose them over the last PM. Hard Blow but we still survive, if only just so. Dato’ Najib is doing everything right for now. And the Chinese will have to prove loyalty if they want more. No one is going to give to enemies if they have nothing to gain. In the BR1M gift, we gain a lot of political mileage by giving to Bersih and even Pas members. What to gain by giving in to DJZ? And the whispers from the ground is saying no.
Semoga kita dapat hidup aman di bumi bertuah ini
PR memang cakap tak serupa bikin..!
Let me try to understand Ms Selangor @ Calender Girl @ Hannah Yeoh’s perverse logic. It is OK to divide Malaysia by language, it is also fine to divide Malaysians by religion but NOT ok to divide by race. This is classic DAPism where truth is defined by what is uttered by their dear leaders.
It is not difficult to understand why DAPsters want to abolish the racial divisions but want to retain language and religious ones. The ultimate objective/highest goal and the wet dream of DAPism is the abolishment of the bumi special rights / NEP. So it figures that when the identification by race is eliminated then the NEP will die a natural death.
Thanks to DAPism,the Chinese have now abandoned their cherished principles of Confuciusm with Confuse-sm. However I note that the non DAPsters among the Chinese are noticing the dangerous cult that DAP is. Their over the top actions have not gone unnoticed. I saw even the generally pro-PR columists in SinChew starting to voice concerns on DAPsters’ politics without principles.
BTW, you might not know this but the “moderator” Bongketz is an ultra Pakatan supporter. I was shocked that the Star, being a MCA paper, was willing to get Bongkerz to moderate the session.
If DAP is so Malaysian, help abolish chinese schools and every student should study at sekolah kebangsaan.
Ya lah, kalau kat Thailand semua student boleh belajar bahasa Thai, kat Indon pun macam tu kenapa kat Malaysia tak boleh. ? Sepatutnya haramkan terus sekalah cina ni. Tapi di sekolah kebangsaan boleh belajar bahasa ibunda masing2 mandrin atau tamil. Baru boleh ujudkan perpaduan melalui sistem pelajaran. Baru ada identiti kita sendiri, betul tak ?
Haha..Memang kelakar sangat bila baca artikel ni pagi2.
Anwar took around 10 years after released from jail for his supporters to realise what a chameleon he is.
But Hannah took less than a 72 hours!
Waiting for Pala Richie to back up his beloved drama Queen.
Thank you for sharing Hannah.
Kamu adalah sahabat baru kami.
it is better to reject these pakatan rakyat hippocrates before it is too late for the nation… they have done more harm than good especially from the examples we have seen on how they manage their constituencies and states…
Helen, what are you breeding here? A bunch of Malaysians who cannot see anything wrong if it is politically expedited and how it enriches them? I am sure your fellow commentors with the best of the intention suck up their thumbs for how well it serves them. Don’t get me wrong!!!! Talk about the mishaps of DAP like how UMNO has been with their mandores for natural justice. Naturally you would not want another mandore mentality within your sphere.I just found out that Bank Rakyat gives a 20% dividend on your investment with them and of course it is has to be Bumiputra. Naturally another PNB. So my esteemed Bumiputra friends, do you think this is fair for people like me who like to be considered and accepted as Malaysian as you are, yet you will not forgo what additional incentives that your Muslim government provides you although I am a malaysian as much as you are? Don’t you think the resentment is qualified as i am treated on a secondary level although I am a Malaysian. What makes a Malaysian, is it your religion, race or creed or how it should be between us without any disparity?
You’re alluding to the BN “Muslim government” providing Malays with “additional incentives”.
Yet it is the DAP Pg government that increased allocations for Islamic projects in the state by 22 per cent, as LGE proudly announced (here). The Pg CM also boasted that he’s allocated “far more” than his predecessor ever did.
LGE’s pol-sec even said, “This large allocation encapsulates all efforts for the extension of Muslim burial sites, the development of religious schools, allowances for mosque officers and religious teachers as well as programmes for Islamic celebrations.” (here)
In fact, some DAP politicians are going around berating the other state govts (BN-led with Malay MBs) for being cheapskate in their budgets compared to what LGE has splashed every year for the past 4 years.
So as a non-Muslim, if you want to complain about being “treated on a secondary (No.2) level although a Malaysian” then expect to complain some more b’cos as a non-Chinese non-Christian, you’re gonna be bumped into further lower rungs of quaternary (No.4) or quinary (No.5) level by the Pakatan state govts.
Don’t forget what they let slip about how they really feel about the “metallic black” tribes. And don’t forget about how ashamed they are to classify a newborn mixed-race Christian child as an ‘Indian’.
Also, who do you hear more often calling other people “low class”? I don’t think this is the favourite word of Umno politicians.
helen, where i can click ‘like’ button.. hihihi
Can say ‘Like’ in comment section lor. — Helen
I think you missed the gist of my comment. I know exactly what Pakatan represents as seen in the Kg Buah Pala issue, or what BN represent as i am not interested in them. I am more interested on psyche of your commentors in reality issues that concerns the common folks. As you are aware most ultra vires online media has now become partial towards the opposition and naturally vice versa as it has been with BN.If you look at the most of your comments here, they become vociferous when it is political or seemed political as everybody decides to chose a camp. When you decide to talk about real issues without bringing politics into the picture, you would probably get only a handful of comment. You see, the psyche of Malaysian hasn’t really changed much, just that they find new outlets to vent their frustration.Only once the malaysian public itself individually irrespective of origin comes to sense on their moral obligation towards their fellow Malaysians will they see the real change otherwise it is just politics as usual even from the moderate Malaysians that I hope would seek to see the truth for the poor, marginalized and deprived communities whether they are BN or DAP camp.That was my only purpose insinuating on the 20% dividend by Bank Raykat for only Bumi not whether it is BN or DAP to increase the vote count for the divided faction of your commentors. Seriously it does not matter what i think, but i realized over the years that quality is definitely better than quantity when you deal with humane issues.
OK, I read you. — Helen
Just sitting down and whinning about your status of being a second class citizen not gonna help you much.All these “discriminations” did not stop many Indians (including yours trully) from being successful in life in Malaysia. In despite these “preferential treatments” the bumis are still poorer than Indians.
I suggest you and Hindraf to grow up. The reality is that by antogonising the majority bumis or the economically powerful Chinese not gonna help you in the least. It appears to me that Hindraf have not learnt their lesson from GE13.
I was present at many PR ceramahs where the Hindraf leaders were paraded like rock stars to vote for PR and against BN. In fact many of the PR Indian leaders like Prof Rama and many others actually attained their current status due to Hindraf. There is a DAP leader in Penang who threw tantrum because he was not given chance to contest in the election as ADUN. The saffron power is the factor made DAP to give in.to this clown In fact I even say that Hindraf is the one who made LGE the CM of Penang..
Needless to say, you know what happened after that.In Penang the great Hindraf hope Prof Rama who supposedly defends Tamil interests worldwide, presided over the destruction of KBP. Indian MPs and ADUNs of Penang because the DAP regime’s apologists.
The kinds of things that you are demanding not going happen irrespective of who rules Malaysia. In fact such demands will not even be accepted in India.
Don’t delude yourself in believing that the Indian support is as strong as it was back in 2007. Those days are gone. Stop getting drunk on your own hype.
The only reasonable course of action is to drop the macho talk and work out some solution with Najib as he definitely honest and sincere in helping Indians.
A nugget for MiNY:
Article ‘Indian leaders see silver lining in Hindraf washout’ (here) about how DAP Senator S. Ramakrishnan had sent out an sms on the eve of the anti-Interlok rally asking Indians not to support the event b’cos it was organised by Hindraf. The worst saboteurs to undermine Hindraf are the DAP politicians.
It is not just DAP leaders but also supporters. Let me relate a small incident. Back in 2007, many of my DAPsters Indian friends were rabidly pro-Hindraf and used to berate me for not joining the bandwagon. In fact some of these friends even joined the group of Penangites who travelled to KL for the 25th Nov rally in a convoy. I was even accused as a traitor for not supporting them.
Some of them were so worked up that they were even talking about taking up arms to defend the Indians and help Hindraf.
When the KBP issue came up, I was one of those who tried to help the villagers (in a small way) because I knew some of the residents personally and also because I was involved in social programs.
When the issue became a hot potato,I called up my friends who travelled to join the Hindraf rally for help. Imagine my surprise when the same guys refused, saying Hindraf guys are abunch of racists for attacking the LGE govt !
Calvinsankaran, thank you for your preaching As you said “To this clown In fact I even say that Hindraf is the one who made LGE the CM of Penang…” In your premediated state, you don’t know me nor what I represent but nevertherless,you have the right to say what you have to say, but it is always wise not to prejudge anyone because we think we know better.We may think we have all the knowledge and the know how quick fix solutions over cyber blog comments but it cannot become wisdom until we put knowledge into practice. I don’t think we have been anywhere near there for 54 years until HINDRAF erupted for the poor & marginalized and now we are back to the same status quo as it was pre – GE12 in a different mode ie comments and blogs waiting for something to erupt and tag along with it on a political landscape rather the issues that faces the common folks.
i am a fan of helen when she write for mkini and cpi, i am no that sure if she lost her way or i lost mine. however everyone have the rights to make choices. i just hope she could move a little back to the middle.
If you followed my earlier writings in English, you’d also have realised that after a key turning point (Kg Buah Pala), my views were no longer acceptable to pro-opposition publications. Even currently while I do get published in FMT, the reader environment is hostile for the deliberate purpose of drowning out meaningful communication to fence-sitters.
Again, since you’re familiar with my writings, you can vouch that I’m still pursuing the same course, i.e. topics like the betrayal of Tan Yi Min by Penang, opposition to hudud, Perkasa’s excesses – the white angpow episode for which DAP attacked the MCA man (?!!) instead of IA – my mitigation for Hindraf (the Jln Kebun forum), my unease over the Hari Raya Haji korban in schools, etc.
I’ve been consistent! in the themes of my postings & my ideas remain on the same rails despite switching language medium & having a predominantly Malay audience now instead.
Isn’t it DAP that has made the 180-degree turn?
Last time, it was “over their dead body” even for something like wearing songkok but look at them today. Go dig up LGE’s old press statements so that you compare his about-turn post 8/3.
e.g. similar to the angpow episode where DAP attacked MCA instead of Perkasa, DAP again attacked MCA (for its objections to Islamic state) over the issue of hudud rather than taking a firm stance against PAS.
As to who’s standing on the middle ground, notwithstanding the DAPster intense provocations, their continued attempts at character assassination, online harassment and despicable smear campaigns, I’ve never resorted to abusive language.
Whereas like one of our regular Malay readers observed, the DAPsters hurl insults endlessly in the virtual world and throw punches in the real world when confronted with any critical questioning of their blind adulation to the ‘Beloved’ leaders.
Look at the videos of the DJZ-325 to gauge their loss of control. If they cannot exercise physical restraint over their public behaviour, do you think they can discipline their thinking to keep within the bounds of rationality?
Helen wrote: ….the reader environment is hostile for the deliberate purpose of drowning out meaningful communication to fence-sitters… – This, I agree. I understand why Helen is vexed with those readers out there in FMT, Malaysiakini.
For example; the other day I was reading about Dr Jacob George of Cassa highlighting the issue about big developers reigning control in Penang (akin to mafia) in a news article at FMT. Since I live in Penang most of the time, I personally feel that the issue highlighted by Cassa is genuine. Now, there is a sense that Penang is probably overdeveloped and sustainability is a question mark at this point (can the existing roads accommodate the traffic). Recently, there’s a proposal to build another condominium near my friend’s place, and residents around his area are now signing up petition to object it due to density issue. Anil Netto (a journalist who is based in Penang) has brought up numerous issues regarding over development in Penang in his blog pretty often. Here’s a nice slide showing current overdevelopment in Penang.
In addition, property unaffordability is also a legitimate concern affecting most Penangites because properties in Penang are getting ridiculously expensive nowadays on both the island and mainland (a decent 1200sqf condominium on the island now cost at least RM500k, 4 years back, it would cost RM300k for the same place, albeit still expensive, if benchmarked across the country). I don’t know how the current government is addressing this issue (aside from building some properties in Batu Kawan).
Now, when I looked at the comments right after the article at FMT, most of the commenters were not even discussing the points highlighted by Cassa. Instead, there were a lot of name calling, and blame game. See some examples that I copied from FMT:
1. How much is Jacob George paid by BN to run down Penang?
2. George how much you getting paid?
3. Just another ular making noise.
4. Why whack Penang only? I dare you to whack other states under BN. They are worst than Mafia.
5. …another dirty tactics by BN and good old Jacob being roped in to lends some legitimacy
6. Siapa ini George? Another Ms Tow Truck ke?
7. what nonsense is he talking about.
8. Gosh! Penang has turned into Sicily overnight!
The political landscape now is; it’s either you’re with us or you’re with them, there’s no in between. Until we can start an intelligent discourse, we’ll get nowhere.
PS: This comment was meant to balas Helen’s reply to HuaYong, but there’s no balas link I could click after Helen’s reply.
Helen, sorry for being critical, I am not going to rebut you point by point, but have to say this, we might not aware that sometimes we are guilty of the same exact thing we accuse others, just read the many replies here to any so called DAPsters.
It’s fair enough what you say but my considered assessment is that if they choose to troll here (or even if they claim not to be a troll but their comments are still nonetheless framed & sound like typical trolling), then they have it coming.
Remember the Stalin propaganda tactic that a lie repeated 1,000x gets to be believed as truth? And undeniably the terracotta Dakyah & Propoganda army is on patrol — LGE’s people have admitted this fact themselves (as have Umno & MCA) to the press.
In any case if you’re an MK subscriber (if not, look at Chronicle, M2Day & the rest), see what happens when the DAPsters take total control of the Comment space.
The result is like what ‘Lousy Engineer’ sampled above re Dr Jacob George.
And since this is my hard-earned piece of cyber real estate, I’m damned if I’m going to allow a walkover for the trolls to bermaharajalela here like they do in all those other pro-opposition fortresses.
I don’t think genuine differences of opinion (say between me & Overseas Bumi, for example) is ever unfairly shouted down here. But the DAPster cheap shots & personal attacks have absolutely no merit & as it is, I believe I’ve already been too tolerant for too long in putting up with the DAPster crap.
I too can’t find any balas button so I have to mentioned specifically that my reply is to LE, not everyone can write like a journalist, I know we should state our point without going personal or ad hominem attack, but I think many are incapable to write with fact and data due to many reasons, problem with blog and portal is they have a hard time to attract readers that hold dissent view, and that is why I treasure mkini when Helen is one of the columnist. Wrt name calling, are the comments here really difference with those you read in FMT?
helen, i do share your feeling and frustration :)
ps/ i write to criticize dap during the earlier stage in m2day, i do not change course just because one incident, and i hope you can be more broad minded, anti establishment is common among us that want the best for the country, but the ‘establishment’ is not limited to only dap.
Me too, I am a peminat of Helen Ang. I understand her stand point as she has been emotionally involved in it through her writings. I think it is a good thing to be emotional when the situation warrants it without worrying what the other’s think. Most of us kiasu Malaysians are pragmatic in a society issue and only get emotional when it involves our own family members, or friends but never the community.I don’t think she has lost her way or wayward in her approach but maybe needs to fine tune it as she is abundantly talented.Maybe this is where wisdom is not a path that is defined but only leaves trail hoping the public’s common sense prevail.
I have not been keeping up with your blog. I have been busy moving out of Thailand.
One thing I wanted to point out. Helen credits Stalin for the lie repeated 1,000x gets to be believed as truth .However, scholars would agree that Hitler originated that concept. He wrote about it in Mein Kampf:
You have to hand to DAP. They are always “on point.” There is a reason to this. Their people are followers who don’t question the party line. It’s almost like a belief system. There is no critical thinking. Any person who dares go against the party line is deemed an outcast, or — dare I say it — a pariah.
When politics devolves into mere belief, and any rational argument or presentation of fact is quickly brushed aside as a ‘lie from the opposing party’, then there can be no debate or meaningful democracy.
I see this phenomenon in my family. PAS has over the years brain-washed certain members of my family. BN has been reviled by my family for years, and I grew up hating TDM. But, PAS was especially good at penetrating the minds of some in my family because of their ‘religiosity.’ Over the years, I developed critical thinking, I learned to admire some aspects of TDM and saw the hypocrisy in politics, especially the PAS variety. In my view, PAS is a belief system co-opted with a political system.
But, since we know what PAS is like, we shouldn’t be surprised if the same mechanics are used by DAP. Why does anyone care if DAP changes its party line? What do they represent anyway? if their chinese, non-muslim politicians want to don muslim garb, isn’t it their choice? If they want to be silent on cases of forced conversion, again, isn’t it their right to remain silent?
Politicians are the consummate chameleons. They will change their colors as soon as they sense a shift in the political winds and they will do anything to continue to preach to their choir or to seek new adherents. DAP is certainly seeking new ‘believers.’
Hence, it’s the believers of the politicians whom I fear. If they are force fed the same drivel time and time again and they are not exposed to opposing views, then their minds will close.
So, while we circle-jerk around the concept that DAP sucks, which I wholeheartedly enjoy, we should not forget that MCA/UMNO/MIC/PKR/PAS aren’t paragons of virtue either!
One more thing, in deference to Godwin’s Law, Nazism is socialism. DAP is socialism. By pure syllogism, those two are alike. I would hate to think of those who toe the party line become obsessed and take up arms and declare hostilities.
Fortunately, LGE/LKS are no where close to having the charisma as the erstwhile Nazi leaders.
Yes, you’re right. The DAP cybers have been attacking my blog just drilling in a few points/words over & over — i.e. “venom”, “hate”, “envy”.
They make ad hominems like that & keep repeating lies lies lies such as any critic of the Beloved Leader must be a BN stooge/agent/Trojan Horse or bought/paid (even accusing the veteran CAP president).
These brainwashed DAPsters lose sight of the real issue, i.e. that the money opportunities in the millions & billions are really open to politicians (not bloggers).
The 4 expressways in Pg are worth an impossible RM8 billion (!!) in land swap/giveaway by the state govt, for Christsakes.
The billions ringgit involved in the Pg land & infrastructure development projects is scary & this is only in a mere 4 years. Their methods are truly despicable.
Read about the split personality DAP cyber [at another blog] who is suspected to have metamorphosized thru all the following names – song, PENYOKONG DAP, Malaysia, Malaysian, kangkong, running dog, double standard (ref. Anon comment 9.46pm, March 28) at this link.
A Star editor wrote this in his column today, “But with the loss of almost all civility in our political discourse, we can only expect frenzied partisan views, especially in cyberspace where emotions are stoked daily into seething froth” (here). If you just click on any comments thread in MK, you can invariably expect a stream of invectives from ALL the commentators (ordinary readers, not troopers).
“The believers of the [DAP] politicians” are like in Jonestown. While MCA, UMNO, MIC & PAS are not paragons of virtue, at least their supporters do not behave like a lynch mob. Anwaristas come close tho’.
It’s become quite impossible to talk to Penangites these days. It’s like the Third Reich there or North Korea.
Yes, we like the incentives so much, but we also share so that a dozen of your secomdary citizen friends become billionaires and were happy with just one or two.
Therenis nothing wrong with the incentives ,please tell me what is wrong with the incentives?
You ni dah ketinggalan zaman. PNB banyak skim bukan hanya ASB, ASN sahaja dann sesiapa pun boleh melabur asalkan dia rakyat Malaysia.
Always enjoy reading your stuff helen.
No matter what happens in the next general election, I hope all of us have read about the Cuban government especially about Fidel Caestro. Lesson learnt: No matter how great a man is in politic, economy, and social, we must never give our minds, hearts and souls to him. I hope we will not repeat that sickening history.
Hypocrite and arrogant people like Hannah Yeoh and the gang will never listen. I bet Pakatan will lose Selangor.
subang abis la.. banyak sangat jalan berlubang.. lebih baik gaji itu diberi kepada setiausaha politik & pegawai-pegawai seranta mereka yang ramai tu..
Your writing style is full of venom and jealousy.
So typical BN style attitude
Why are you using a Malay pseudonym when your e-mail a/c is non-Malay? So typical DAP chameleon style attitude, neh?
Kantoi, Kantoi!! Hahaha
Semoga keamanan negara ini dapat dikekalkan.
Helen, yet another piece of DAPism from a member of Guan Eng’s Gestapo. If you criticise DAP and LGE, it is because you must be jealous of their success. This reminds me of what I read about the old USSR in the Stalin era. The critics of Stalin were sent not to gulags but also mental asylums by the KGB because no sane person would find faults with the government. So these critics must be mad.
I think both of us being critics of the Dear Leaders and DAPism, better book one-way ticket to Myanmar or Mongolia if Pakatan wins the GE14. Otherwise Hospital Bahagia at Tanjung Rambutan awaits us.
Typical of LGE’s hatchet men. See this jibe – “Consultant Psychiatrist Pantai Hospt, he can help you [Helen]” – #5 yesterday from Pala Richie who btw, left 35 comments in a span of 40 hours. DAPster streetfighters got no finesse lah. — Helen
Easy to spot these cyberthugs. They work 9 to 5 and use Malay names.
Like their tudung-wearing split personality leaders lor. — Helen
Wow, selama ni saya dengar2 sahaja orang cakap orang menyamar jadi bangsa lain guna nama lain. Tak sangka sudah ada bukti. Bukan fitnah lagi la yg saya dengar. Tak sangka rupanya mereka malu nak tayang nama sendiri. Ni jenis berani ‘atas kertas’ sahaja. Banyak betul dana depa ni upah cybertroopers ye. Kalau blogger UMNO dah siap merajuk2 sebab gov BN tak bagi apa2/tak iktiraf usaha mereka membongkar rahsia PR (mungkin betul ada skit upah sebab ramai tahu Helen dah dibayar UMNO dan BN). sampai dah dua orang masuk DAP (fakta). Memang tak ikhlas berjuang la tu. Sanggup gadai maruah kerana duit (ini mungkin auta dari saya.hehehe).
Dah pun masuk tujuh juta (tu USD, bukan ringgit) ke dalam akaun Swiss bank dan ‘tax-free’ juga, ya. Hey, “gaya, mutu, keunggulan” don’t come cheap ,) Saya rasa kalau siber-siber DAPster ni berhenti daripada memfitnah dan memaki hamun, hujah mereka habis kering-kontang. — Helen
seems disturbing that DAPsters will imitate malay name to give illusion that malays are like minded like them….truly a despicable people these DAPsters are that I believe no chinese,malay or indian should claim these DAPsters as their own..
i was a supporter of Bersih 2008..
Now I condemn Bershit…
Things can change in a jiffy..DAPsters will be in for a surprise coe PRU13….
i have “outed” you before in malaysia insider .. you dont sound like “Ahmad” .. haha
never fail to amuse and impress me with the articles written and good discussion in this blog.
I know not all chinese are bad same goes to us malay and indian. We can live harmony if we respect each other and don’t be gready.
Good job Helen. I never write any comment before but never fail to come to your blog and also Din turtle. :)
Gua caya dia sudah “kencing” kita semua..
Reform? heh.. Yeah, in my itchy scrotum I tell ya..
Saya bangsa Cina tetapi sedikit sakit hati apabila melihat banyak komen-komen yang berbaur perkauman di blog-blog anti pembangkang. Mungkin ramai diantara kaum Melayu dan Cina yang tidak pernah bekerja di luar negara. Atas rahmat tuhan, saya berpeluang untuk keluar negara atas business trip paling kurang 3 kali setahun. Apabila kaki memijak di atas bumi orang lain, semangat MALAYSIAN brothers menebal. Setiap kali terserempak dgn orang Malaysia, bahasa melayu yang digunakan. Semangat brotherhood memang tinggi. Tapi apabila di Malaysia, komen-komen berbaur rasis diujar-ujarkan tanpa ‘hesitation’
Inilah budaya yang kian menebal dan menjijikan saya. Encik Daud Din merupakan guru BM saya di St. Xaviers Institution. Saya klasifikasikan dia sebagai the Perfect Malay Gentleman. Di sekolah mixed seperti ini, tiada timbul niat untuk komen rasis. Budak melayu, budak cina dan budak india hidup bersama. Belajar bersama dan membesar bersama. Sebab itu, anak saya akan belajar di sekolah mixed ataupun missionary yang mempunyai imbangan kaum yang baik. Orang Penang patut tahu rivalry between Penang Free School dan St. Xavier. Setiap kali ada pertandingan bola, pasti terdapat perlawanan off field. Yang hairan, tiada klasifikasi Melayu kah, Cina kah ataupun India kah. Kami gaduh sebagai Xavierians dan bukan sebagai bangsa.
Apa-apapun ‘axe to grind’ dgn DAP, jangan salahkah mereka kepada situasi sekarang. Yang nak blame dan yang bertanggungjawap, lebih kurang semua dah menemui ajal. Yang boleh kita buat adalah menyokong semua usaha menyatu-padukan semua bangsa di negara ini.
Saya Cina, tapi hati saya tetap sebagai MALAYSIAN first kerana pernah berada di luar negara, berpeluang belajar di sekolah mixed dan tinggal di Kampung Shaik Madar, Air Itam. Kami perlu buta bangsa dan mula hidup sebagai sebuah masyarakat majmuk. Article Kak Helen bernas dan tepat, namun tepuk tanya selera, adakah semua ini membantu membina masa depan untuk Malaysia?
Yang saya perhatikan, melayu(bukan semua) puji anda, sekali-sekala india(kampung buah pala) menyokong saudari dan Cina(pembangkang) mencaci saudari.
Bukan semua orang minat politik. Ada yang seperti saya yang sayangkan negara ini dan lebih berminat untuk membina negara. Bukankah ini yang patut Kak Helen buat dan bukan membuka jurang perkauman lagi?
Boleh renung fikir segentar komen panjang saya? Terima Kasih…
sxi 5Sc2 – class of 1999
Jurang perkauman tidak akan dapat direntasi kerana terlalu ramai, terutamanya Cina DAP P.Pinang, yang buta hati. Lepas PRU 13 & 14 nanti, keadaan pasti akan lebih meruncing. Sudah terlajak perseteruan politik kita dan tidak boleh berundur lagi.
Teringat saya akan kata-kata Tun Dr. Mahathir pasca PRU 2008…. beliau berkata, selepas PRU 12, jurang perbezaan antara kaum akan menjadi lebih besar.
How true he was.
After GE13 it’ll get worse & after GE14 much worse. — Helen
We appreciate helen’s blog, i bet that most of the commentators here are the silent majority, the ones who think they are not privilieged by the so caled bumi invpcentives but perpelexed why they are insulted ober it, the non UMNO members who are perpelexed why UMNO thpugh nptnperfect is degenerated tp the exteremes, the ones who sit idle as we watch DAPsters throw insults at our culture/religion/identity with fake equality and MalaysianMalaysia butbat the same time harp with chinese issues in In malaysiakini/MT , rabidly anti malay in online sites but at the same time pretend to be in cahoots eih the people they despise aka PAS/PKR, we are glad that helen thpugh may not be a bn supporter is willing to say what we are unable to propagate to DAPster that they are a bunch of fraud…
You seem to have the rakyat s back seeing there are many people supporting you in the comments given I recommend you stand for elections under MCA in Penang on your anti DAP platform
You seem so super confident I don’t think you will have any problem winning since nearly everyone here seem to think that DAP is the worst thing that has happened to Penang
You have my vote
Helen Ang for state assembly women yah!
Oh guess what Bill, I already anticipated the likes of you in an earlier posting — ‘The game that DAPsters play.
So I can deservedly give myself a pat on the back as my prognosis was spot-on in forecasting your type of offer. You DAPsters are soooo predictable.
Go there to see my original comment on March 24 at 6.24pm but in any case, I copypaste here for you.
I had written:
“If I list out the sins of the Lims, then the DAPsters will play the game if you want to talk so much, why not you just stand for a seat in Penang, dare or not?
“And then if you try to point out the weaknesses of the Lim regime, they will say who are you, you’re not elected whereas the people Penang guarantee will vote DAP to be the government again in the next GE, so LGE must be doing everything right. This game could go on and on …”
Aiyah, the DAPster boot camp should have included some creativity modules to help you guys think out of the box. You all appear to be stuck in the rut lah, just recycling the same old, same old.
thanks helen for your reply
I am for the record not a dapster whatever that means By the way not everyone who disagrees with you or does not like what you write is a dapster
You may check my ip adress I live overseas
i stumbled on your blog from a link on FMT.However its the last time I will visit your blog. Its full of venom.And quite a few racist remarks.
I still feel you should stand for elections.You seem to have the passion.
One thing I give you credit for is you publish all comments and dont block those who dont agree with you like some blogs do
If you really, really must needs to warm the cockles of your heart even online with the “we’re all brothers and sisters”, “feel the luuurve” and “let’s all hold hands now and sing together Kumbayah” huggy-wuggy,
and believe that “anyone who doesn’t speak the United Colours of Benneton-type lingo is a ‘racist’ or “venomous” then by all means click HERE & indulge.
Words are cheap, yawn again. You’re most welcome to have them from those who assiduously peddle the stuff. Not me tho.
Oh dear Bill. If you object to “venom” and “racist remarks” then you must have been turned off by the likes of Mkini, MInsider, MChronicles, etc. Heck, in fact you would have turned off by the likes of LGE, Hannah, LKS, etc whose blogs and twitter are full of venom too.
As for living in overseas, I know for a fact quite a sizeable number of DAPsters live overseas too. In fact some Malaysian with Singapore PRs seem to be more active than Malaysians themselves seeing from the cases of them involving in demos while driving in their Singapore cars.
As for your comments on Helen should stand in election, what kind of logic are you using? Just because she speaks out about DAP does it mean she should be a politician? This is merely DAPsters way of saying that those we have no rights to criticise the DAP leaders.
The problem with DAP and DAPster is that they can attack and whack everyone with mindless and baseless accusations but when you start to question them, they get very upset indeed.I have first hand experience in being harassed and even threatened with law suits for just questioning LGE.
Agree! The DAP hatchet men (i.e. writers, commenters, bloggers) are everywhere incl. overseas like you say S’pore or Australia or elsewhere. Not being physically located in Pg does not decrease their vitriol one bit. — Helen
it seems you prognosis is correct when bill said your blog is full of venom. It sound so typical dapsters….(even pretending not knowing the meaning).
Spot On !
Their use of negative labels, like ‘venom’ etc is the same carpet bombing like when they shout “racists”. — Helen
Bill , helen , i have been reading back my own and many of our fellow bloggers comments, posted for the last week or so.
I tried to put myself in the perspective of a new “walk in reader” i.e first time reader.
Yes , we do appear to some new reader , as rather vicious in our comments and putdown ( especially me) with does not in line with our general views.
I would suggest that we bring our emotion down a couple notches .
I hope that we can carry our view in a more sedate emotions and language , not that we are any were close to the vulgar comment by the rabid DAPster’s.
I think not letting our emotion’s run wild, is corner stone of engaging a healthy discussion across all political boundary.
It was the self control and the dignified manner’s among the commentator’s here that draw me and many to this blog.
This dignified manner of commenting others view ‘s is the real difference between the Political animal’s and the ordinary citizen expressing his view.
let pray and hope we do not forget it and turn us what we hate.
If I may ask, on what terms are terms like “DAPsters, DAP(insert some other terms)” warranted? Are not those ad hominems as well, similar to that of “DUMNO” and the like? Frankly I can’t really see the difference between DAPster, DUMNO, cybertroopers, trolls and other name-calling labels. But your point is valid tho, it does put off not only first time readers, but also long time readers as well.
Overseas Bumi, well narrated. You say “I would hate to think of those who toe the party line become obsessed and take up arms and declare hostilities” I beg to differ here. Like the real time politicans most Malaysians are self appointed politicians themselves.The grouses only becomes an issue when survival is threatened. For most urbanized and middle class Malaysians, the system has been conveniently tailored like-bribery, corruption and so forth that is accepted within the society.The effort by PR trying to be houlier than thou will eventually fade out even with their Gestapo style mantra because their supporters are for their own convenience not one of desperation for the society. Hostilities that we see in the cyber blog does not bread action. Action and act of rebel in the field will only rise when there is no option/choice like HINDRAF.You see the poor and marginalized communities that HINDRAFattracted does not care about the poltiics of the day or what and how wise & intelligent Malaysians state their comments in cyber blog but rather a survival issue to live with some dignity & pride as fellow human beings. Bottomline,unless and until we as Malaysian irrespective of our origin can stand together putting aside individual concerns for a larger cause on real time issues for deprived communities, we are back to the drawing board whether it is BN or PR as we become their pawn.
Previously the Chinese never participated in demos (except the usual suspects, Reformasi holdovers & NGO-types, only very few). They were wary even to show up for candlelight vigils. The turning point was Bersih 2.0, then followed anti-Lynas & DJZ-325. The online belligerence is being brought into real life. That’s why lately even the Sin Chew editors & the more sober community/business leaders have been voicing out their concern.– Helen
Thanks for noticing the trend Helen ! I think it is inded an interesting recent (and a rather unwelcome) development in the Malaysian Chinese politics, in their attitude toward street demos. As you pointed out, they tend to stay out of demos. In fact even during Bersih 2.0, most of the participants were the Talibans of PAS and the neo-Reformasi die-hards of PKR. The stormtroopers of DAP (ie DAPsters) and their Dear Leaders stayed out.
But starting with Lynas Save Malaysia campaign, the DAPsters now have taken over the mantle. DJZ-325 and the Penggerang demos also saw DAPsters playing the leading roles. I attribute this to the growing overconfidence among the DAPsters over their political muscle. Unfortunately the same over-confidence that led to the blood bath of May 13.
I think the Malay community is watching the development closely and again I think DAP has blundered badly by associating and playing the leading role. I do think the bumi community is worried to see the growing assertiveness among the DAP stormtroopers and the sheer arrogance of DAP leaders in openly challenging the Malays political dominance. I bet UMNO leaders are busy preparing the campaign materials and manuals splashed with photos of DAPSters running amok.
In fact some of my non DAPster Chinese friends are also concerned this change saying that every such action by DAP will have an opposite reaction from the Malay community. The recent episode of abuse against Wee and before that on MCA women leaders are seen by many Chinese neutrals as an affront on the proud Chinese culture of being respectful and being in harmony with the society. They even say these are unChinese traits that point to communist rather than Chinese influence.
As you also pointed out,some Chinese groups (like DJZ) badly damaged their integrity and cause by associating with the DAPsters thugs.
Agree with the comment above.
Typical gangster method ,bila konfiden boleh menag , baru berani lawan. one on one kecut telur( dekat internet berani la)
Betulkah Pengerusi DJZ, Dr Yap Sin Tian beli ijazah kedoktorannya di internet?
Semoga kita semua dapat hidup aman di bumi bertuah ini
Helen, you should put a “Like” button somewhere..
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