Dalam kolumnya di The Malaysian Insider kelmarin, naib pengerusi DAP Tunku Abdul Aziz Ibrahim menuduh “Umno stormtroopers” sebagai berlagak seperti lasykar-lasykar (“brownshirts”) pada zaman Nazi Hitler (“Third Reich”).
Rencana Tunku Aziz berjudul ‘Open season on Lim Guan Eng‘. Tajuk tersebut membayangkan ekoran ‘musim terbuka’ – serangan terhadap Guan Eng – sedang berlangsung sekarang natijah matlamat menghalalkan cara (fitnah dan asakan bertalu-talu).
Tunku Aziz berkata kempen perang propaganda untuk memburuk-burukkan Guan Eng sedang dikelolakan oleh golongan ‘Melayu Baru’ (mamak*) — “a bunch of bloody-minded, misguided ‘constitutional’ Malays who have been manipulating the Malays for ages”, pada hematnya.
Nota: Tunku Aziz tidak menyebut perkataan ‘mamak’ atau ‘Melayu Baru’ secara khusus. Saya yang sebut.
Waima sesetengah pihak mendakwa gelaran ‘mamak’ adalah “politically incorrect” maka di sini saya menggantikan dengan istilah ‘Melayu Baru’. Alasan saya ialah golongan terbabit mungkin sudah tidak lagi melihat diri mereka sebagai kaum India. Maka dengan itu untuk terus menggelar mamak sebagai “Indian Muslim” tidak tepat.
Tunku Aziz menuding jari kepada Melayu Baru yang mengeksploitasi isu masjid di Bayan Mutiara.
Dia menggambarkan seteru Guan Eng sebagai “hanya Melayu mengikut Perlembagaan” tetapi bertutur bahasa Tamil di rumah.
Katanya: “For all their professed Malayness I am told the majority speak Tamil at home”.
Tunku Aziz mempertahankan Guan Eng dengan berkata:
“Guan Eng can always hope for the best but he knows deep inside as long as he continues to make a success of his stewardship of Penang, and as long as he has no truck with unethical practices, he will continue to be harassed and even physically threatened by Umno thugs.”
Dia juga menggambarkan Guan Eng sebagai seorang pemimpin yang beretika, bersikap terbuka, tidak bermain kotor macam Umno serta telus dan bertanggungjawab (“accountable”).
Setpol Guan Eng, iaitu Zairil Khir Johari yang membekalkan kononnya suara Melayu bagi DAP, pun sealiran pendapat dengan Tunku Aziz.
Kata Zairil beberapa hari lepas dalam satu kenyataan akhbar:
“Keselamatan diri Ketua Menteri Pulau Pinang Lim Guan Eng tidak boleh diambil ringan oleh pihak berkuasa ekoran fitnah bahaya dan rasis yang dimainkan Umno, TV3 dan Utusan Malaysia kononnya tanah masjid dilesapkan.
“Susulan daripada itu, Guan Eng telah diancam secara peribadi oleh pertubuhan perkauman Perkasa dan pemimpin-pemimpin Umno yang mengugutnya dengan keganasan dan bahasa yang penuh kebencian.”
(Sumber: ‘Ketua Menteri Pulau Pinang diugut,
pihak berkuasa tidak boleh pandang ringan’ di Roketkini)
Sebenarnya orang DAPlah yang kerap menyindir ketua Pemuda Umno Pulau Pinang Shaik Hussein Mydin dan sesetengah ahli pertubuhannya sebagai “Nigerian” yang tidak cukup syarat keMelayuan mereka walhal orang Melayu Tanjung sendiri tidak mengutuk.
Misalan kata kita rujuk Dr Zambry Abdul Kadir yang diejek oleh seorang evangelis DAP dengan jolokan “hitam metalik”.
Zambry adalah Adun Umno. Ini bermakna parti Melayu tersebut mengiktiraf Zambry sebagai Melayu.
Rakan-rakan sejawat Zambry di DUN menerima kepimpinannya sebagai Menteri Besar Perak. Malahan Sultan Perak berkenan untuk menabalkan Zambry sebagai MB.
Perlembagaan negeri Perak menuntut supaya jawatan MB disandang seorang Melayu dan seorang Muslim selain kalau Sultan memberi pengecualian mengikut budi bicara baginda.
Zambry diterima oleh Sultan sebagai Melayu tetapi para DAPster masih tidak habis-habis dengan cemuhan mereka — mengata warna kulit Zambry (yang memang tidak dinafikan kelihatan agak gelap).
Bukankan DAP yang selalu mencanangkan parti mereka ‘buta warna’ dan ahli-ahli DAP yang paling ghairah bercerita bagaimana “kita semua bersaudara”?
Berbalik kepada Umno dan kawan-kawan Kimma di Pulau Pinang: Sekiranya masyarakat Melayu sendiri menerima mereka sebagai Melayu, kenapa pula DAP menyampuk dan mencelah?
Rusuhan Natrah di Singapura
Ambil juga contoh budak Maria Hertogh yang berwajah orang putih. Namun oleh kerana gadis keturunan Belanda itu telah memeluk Islam serta dibesarkan oleh ibu angkatnya yang orang Melayu, maka Melayu Singapura menganggap Natrah sebagai “orang kita”.
Sama ada seseorang itu Melayu harus ditentukan oleh individu berkenaan yang ingin ‘masuk Melayu’ serta ia juga terserah kepada masyarakat Melayu mahu menerimanya atau tidak.
Dalam hal ini, DAP dan bidan terjunnya Tunku Aziz tidak wajar memperli Melayu Baru memandangkan kelentong setiausaha agung parti mereka yang sendiri tidak faham akan konsep ras.
Guan Eng telah menyatakan takrifan bangsa ‘Malaysian First’ sebagai warga Malaysia yang identiti dirinya bercirikan demokrasi, kebebasan, keadilan, integriti dan “kewibawaan sebagai insan manusia” (human dignity).
Sebab itulah Guan Eng bukan Cina!
Jelas sewaktu masyarakat saya menyambut tahun baru dan lain-lain perayaan Cina, kami tidak mengadakan upacara menyembah dewa-dewa Demokrasi, Kebebasan dan Keadilan.
Identiti bangsa-bangsa lain di dunia bersandarkan ciri bahasa, budaya, adat resam, sejarah yang dikongsi, agama, dsb.
Hanya DAP ‘demokrasi-kebebasan-keadilan-integriti-human dignity’ Malaysian First lain daripada yang lain.
DAPster dan Bapa DAPster mereka begitu benci terhadap “si rasis” yang belum Malaysian First
Benci kepada Umno
kepada Melayu “Umnoputra”
kepada Cina MCA
kepada Cina Gerakan (yang dianggap mereka sebagai dayus/“boh hood” dalam bahasa Hokkien)
kepada India MIC
kepada India Hindraf
kepada pribumi yang tidak mahu DAP masuk Sabah & Sarawak
kepada ahli NGO yang bersikap kritis terhadap Khalifah kesayangan
kepada “wartawan pelacur”
kepada kelompok “hitam metalik” [sudah beberapa kali dah kedai mamak diboikot orang Penang]
Siapalah yang tidak dibenci oleh para DAPster ini?
Meskipun demikian, Guan Eng sebaliknya boleh mendakwa Umno yang menanam kebencian.
“Clearly Umno is taking a very racist and dangerous approach in pitting race against race, religion against religion in their desperate lies to undermine my leadership and the PR state government.”
(Sumber: ‘Guan Eng labels Umno Penang “racist”
over mosque land allegations’ di TMI, April 4)
Masjid di Bayan Mutiara bukan untuk Melayu sahaja — kaum yang dibodek gila oleh Geng Bertudung DAP. Masjid juga untuk pekerja-pekerja asing termasuk jiran serumpun yang ramai singgah di Pulau Pinang.
Akhir kata, kalau orang Melayu sedia menerima Zambry Abdul Kadir, Shaik Hussein Mydin dan yang lain-lain sebagai Melayu, kira Melayu lah mereka. Pula DAPster hendak berdengki ni?
Apapun tabik spring kepada keupayaan ‘doublethink’ dan ‘doublespeak’ yang terunggul sekali dimiliki orang DAP.
70 thoughts on “Naib pengerusi DAP Tunku Aziz serang geng mamak”
Helen, your common of the Malay language is atrocious. At least if you want to stir shit, do it with decent grammar? Now go crying to your umno cronies.
Aaah, the resident troll to divert from topic. Each blog under KomtarWatch has at least one, I’m guessing. Why don’t you in future write all your comments in BM?
Is that all you can say? Oh well you were never smart to start with Helen.
sshsn you don’t even know how to spell command and yet talk to helen about language. kihkihkih you are hilarious idiot!!
Are you brain dead, my friend? Helen is a true Malaysian. A citizen who appreciates it if things are right and condemns it if wrongs are committed. She has nothing to do with Umno. I know her long enough when we were colleagues once. Anyway, I can gauge people’s character and intelligence just by looking at their faces. Just let me look at yours.
Hussin Rahman – if thats even your real name…If Helen is a true malaysian – why is she terrified of democracy? If helen is even a real person and not an Umno ass…why is she so against Malaysians? Dapsters? Fuck that…im not even one…but her only line of defense against her bullshit is…you must be dap..so hussain…i leave this with you…fuck off..take helen with you..and look at her sold out face for the rest of your fucking life…
“a bunch of bloody-minded, misguided ‘constitutional’ Malays who have been manipulating the Malays for ages”
“Setpol Guan Eng, iaitu Zairil Khir Johari yang membekalkan kononnya suara Melayu bagi DAP, pun sealiran pendapat”
naib pengerusi DAP Tunku Abdul Aziz Ibrahim, pokcik oi, CINA CONSTITUTIONAL MALAY depan mata yang you tunggang tak nampak ke?, atau you boleh nampak yang “black metalik” aja ????
Tengok muka you sendiri dalam cermin , nampak tak muka apek dalam cermain?. kalau tak letak nama melayu , mati semua kata cina.
sudalah apek , lu bukan buta dan bodoh.
look the DAP “non” racist have spoken.
About to say the same thing .i think zairil is a non malay speaker constitutional malay, this tunku aziz fella…is he a malay? easily mistaken him for a chinese.. shame on them.the daps. who deny to be racist.. bt are race extremist.
Check his birthday and check his chinese converted mother marraige to his malay father. The answer is all there.
So far we let, the sleeping dog lie, but now it’s time to kick the mongrel.
Sshsn , free advice for you …shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
tunku abdul aziz is a classic melayu mongrel anglophile who look down on anythung malay..many malay islamists and conservative malays regard him with suspicious, malay folks in kampung do not know him and if they do know him will regard him as a lost briton.. this is a malay who is willing to eat pork (we have saying a malay will do many bad tings but he will never touch pork, but this tunku willl proudly eat pork and declare he is not malay).
back on the DAPsters, again they showed their atrocity buy denegrating the muslim malays in penang, when i studied i had a muslim punjabi as a roomate from seremban who speak hindi at home but hangs out alot with the malays that some overlook hisshrp aquiline nose and sheer tallness and regard him as a malay.. such is the acceptance of the malay people that other bracnhes if the nusantara race like the bugis, mendeling totally embraced the malay culture with the remnants of their heritage only linger in their specialized cuisines… the mamaks are the work in progess of integrating non malays into the mainstream society.. neverheless they are still able to profess their naive languages.. i hope the chinese can too like the baba and nyonya or the chinese in kelanatan who communicate impeccably in malay yet maintain their unique tradition…… unlike in australia the chinese immigrants become ABC and lose their identity.. hmmm…
>> this tunku willl proudly eat pork and declare he is not malay
got evidence? or u pulling out rubbish from your arse?
Since when a figure of words need evidence..?heh…it just a perumpamaan of what type of tunku abdul aziz ibrahim is..duh.
One second’s look at his face and I know this Tunku is not someone I will have tea with.
Asal bangkang aje rasis, Asal tak setuju kena ejek Melayu Baru lah, hitam metalik lah. LGE memang pantang besar kalau kena kritik, dan paling suka kalau disanjung dan dipuji. Ciri-ciri wajib bagi seorang diktator.
Semoga kita dapat hidup aman di negara bertuah ini
Saya sudah lama agak bahawa LGE ini tidak betul sikit kepala otaknya.
Helen minta kebenaran to share this on your site. I think in the midst of slowly heating up temperature of our political scenario it is nice to see some cares about the less fortunate: *** is trying to raise money to help Yayasan Chow Kit and more. Please log in and help them reach their objective. They are aiming at raising RM25,000. Yayasan Chow Kit provide safe space for kids of Chow Kit.
The link you provided (?) doesn’t seem to work or maybe it’s my firewall settings. But anyone interested can look up Yayasan Chow Kit. Cheers Aidil. — Helen
YES My august lady. You said it very well.
I am a “mamak”. My mother is a Malay and my father is off mixed parentage. There is a town in Seberang perai, Pulau Pinang that is called Padang Benggali by the locals. The official name is Teluk air Tawar.
Why Padang benggali? Because those who opened the once thick forested areas were then migrants from British India( area now known as Bangladesh). They have names like Abdul rahman, yusuf, abdullah or Mastan.
Malays are very open about accepting others as one of “them”. The principal criteria is Islam.
But for some, being black is a sign of weakness. That is the reason DAP chauvinist in Perak said Dr Zambri is “hitam metallik”. the other forgotten part of his statement( and more insulting) is calling Dr zambri as “BASTARD”.
Meaning he claimed that Dr Zambri’s parents were adulterers.
And to DAP , the matter us considered solved by issuing 2 line statements.
Imagine if the role was reversed. DAP will go on and on and will tell the world that is the reason why UMNO is rejected by the Chinese.
“Malays are very open about accepting others as one of ‘them’.” — quote
I’m aware :) The DAPsters don’t know which makes me think despite their loud proclamations wrt Bangsa M’sia, they really don’t have any close friends who are Malay (except maybe the Tunku Aziz-types). — Helen
some DAPters will compare the malays to lets say the australian….but they forget when the malay or UMNO were willing to accept 2 million non british chinese and indians s citizens and i think regardless what politiciand cook up was the best thing umno has ever done..you will be surpsied that it is PAS people who actually say that UMNO biggest mistake was to allow 2 million kufrs to dilute malaysia islamic heritage..markmy words..back to the australians in the 1950s up till the 70s..the australians practice blatant racism with their asin exclusion law that banned non white from becoming australian which is probably second most racist policy after south afria and israel..the oz had to swallow bitter pill and accept the asians eventually..but sill they put tags on immigrants…ABC for chinese which is considered as insult to some..wog for the turk descent…lebo for the lebanese and many other denegrating names…if you read australian news you will se some anti asian articles about how chinese australians are outbiding whote ozies in buying homes and in technical jobs and i see another excsluin acts soon..currenly they are trying to stem thetide of muslims from afghanistan and iraq but that is the price to pay for joining the afghan/iraq wars bandwagon..the australians are hypocrites and we should not be compared to them
on the other hnds..malay rarely have a purpotely racial slur for any particularly race…keling was considered a normal term for indians among the malays but i dunno why the indian take offence,why be called indian which was an term the colonial brits put on the indians….. but the malays are polite enuff not to use it anyway..places like tanjung keling were named so to honor an indian who died at the tanjung hence the name ..same as kapitan keling in honor of a indian kapitan…apek was vernaular term among rural malays but DAPsters is trying to make apek into proof that malays are racists…
I have been kicked out of ‘malay’ blogsites like din merican’s and sakmongkol’s. Both bloggers allowed their commenters to tease that I must be ‘mamak’ as if it’s a slur. They’re partially correct. I also have jap blood, which can also explain my opposition to some chinese behavior and customs.
Do these DAP malays feel insulted that ‘constitutional malays’ work hard to defend their honor and the bumi name and status? Do they think they can do it all by themselves?
Do sakmongkol and din merican think that non-pure malays somehow pollute the gene pool? Do they believe in a ‘pure blood’ type ideology that some orientals espouse?
Tunku Aziz is someone who represented an organisation that prides itself in being transparent, but he uses a lot of subtext and insinuation in his writing. It’s crude and, as Anon said, ungentleman-like. Transparency International should publicly disassociate themselves from former members who join the dirty world of partisan politics. But, they probably never intended to be totally neutral.
Malays are the world’s true gentleman whereas DAPsters are the world’s true rascals.
Cik Helen Ang,
I, for once , refuse to beleive that the YM Tunku Aziz penned the article. Takanlah orang semulia beliau sanggup mencemuh hamba hamba Allah yang mungkin kulit tak serupa, namun darah tetap sama!
Apalah ada di kesumat hati kecil beliau hingga mantakrifkan saudara saudara kita sama saperti Hitler.
Kalau lah umat Melayu Islam Malaya berperangai se iota Hitler, kemanakah agaknya Cik Helen Ang kita akan berada.
Namun taklah sebegitu buruk perangai kami atau datuk nenek kami kan?
Ada sesiapa yang ingin buat kajian tentang the Malay Anglophile?
DAP may mean many things to their supporters and others but to me, DAP really stands for Deranged Activists Party.
Unfortunately, there is a group of people who believe they are great by insulting or slandering their own race.
Tunku aziz insulted the Malay, his own race. Also the race of his father. He is the example of whom Islam called “melampaui batas”.
Whatever mistakes I make in this world , i pray my children will not behave like him in future. It can mean one thing. either i fail as a father in raising my children or they are simply useless.
Tunku Aziz simply refuses to acknowledge Muslim concern with regards top Bayan Mutiara scandal. And he with ease brushes aside the question on the said mosque.
Instead of providing answer to questions, he chided those who ask.
As. so typical of DAP.
if you watch Malaysia Today comment section you can always see those DAP trolls calling Tun Mahathir all sort of racist names like Mamakthir, Maha Kutty and the likes. Yet if Tun was mamak or had mamak blood in him like they said so it means that their accusation that UMNO was racist does not hold water. How could a racist party elect someone who is not of their kind the be their highest leader?
they are oblivious to the contradiction and their own racism. one other thing, in Internet there is a thing called Godwin’s law. it is for people who recklessly and ridiculously compare or make analogies to Hitler or the Nazis to score a point or win an argument, what it means it that if you do that, you lost that argument automatically.
indeed…the hypocrcy of the DAPsters are alarming nd bear in mind these people may be professionals in many sectors in malaysia…..the so called second clas citizens while the malays who live in flat nd eating hand to mouth are ridiculed as priviliged and tongkat people
These ingrates are mentally deficient. Do they expect to live lavishly without working for their dues? Once they cannot get their way, they blame other people…Umno and the Malays are the easy targets.
You might want to copy paste the following which appeared in blogs here and there:
You people keep making fun of the Malays, mamaks, etc, what about you Chinese? What’s the equivalent to call you all also having mixed blood? Now, now, don’t say you people are pure Chinese.
Here is what Professor C.P. Fitzgerald says in his book, “A Short Cultural History of China” (600+ pages) – he lived in China for 5 years to research and gather material for that book:
The phrase “origin of the Chinese people” is in itself misleading.
1. Chinese culture took root in the plains of Manchuria, a foreign country until after World War II
2. The northern provinces have always to some degree been mixed with “peoples from the Mongolian steppes”
3. The southern and central provinces of China were, before the northerners moved southwards, “covered” by non-Chinese, the Miao, small in size and who the Chinese were contemptuous of.
4. The south was originally occupied by “aboriginal tribes”. The ancestors of most of the migrants to Malaya/ sia came from the south. The Professor said, “A large proportion of the population of the south calling itself ‘Chinese’ is in fact descended from one or other of the aboriginal races” – page 6. Even in modern times, in Yunnan and Kueichouu, tribesmen number half the population.
The southerners comprise the following major groups:
a. Fukienese, “a separate stock, mixed with immigrants from the north and the Yangtze Valley” and speaking “a peculiar dialect”.
b. Cantonese, also speak a somewhat alien language, a form of old Chinese – the south was colonized by the northerners, colonization completed in the 7th Century – some 800 years after China was formed as a political entity by Chin Shih Huang Di.
c. Hakkas, of Kuantung province, known as “guest families” – they speak a peculiar dialect, despised by the Cantonese and do not inter marry. These people were said to have come from the north, running away from frequent Mongol invasions in the 13th Century.
So, if any of you are referred to as descendants of the Miao (who are aborigines and non-Chinese), or other aborigines of south China, don’t blame me, I’m just a messenger of the news. You can’t also blame Professor Fitzgerald any more because he died some years ago.
So, how about we refrain from racial profiling and name calling, ha? Still angry with me, wanna call me names? Don’t la, coz you also can be called names.
the only similarities among what this race called themself chinese is the ability to speak mandarin. other than that, there is no such thing as chinese except citizens in a country called china.
Remember, Anon, our host considers herself “Han Chinese”.
There exists this phenomenon where some, if not most, Chinese want to lump themselves into one , all-encompassing group. I guess it’s no different than malays, malay mix-bloods and converts want to be considered ‘Bumi’. It’s nice to be a part of something bigger than oneself.
Helen, in your case, it’s about time you proclaim your individualism and renounce your membership to malaysia’s ‘han’ community, the majority of whom probably want to reject you. Maybe you should serve as a ‘token’ in a predominantly Malay organisation, or are you doing that now?
I urged sakmongkol , din merican to renounce their bumi status because they don’t serve the interests of the bumi majority, in my opinion. Furthermore, I challenged them to do it publicly and repay all the benefits and privileges they enjoyed during their years as ‘bumi’. The repayment should be done openly to the non-bumi community at large. Both didn’t respond to my challenge.
The bumi/malay (I use those terms interchangeably) community should disavow people like TUnku Aziz as well. Or we should challenge him to state publicly his position on Article 153.
I once thought of ‘making a stand’ and declaring myself just ‘Malaysian’ or something more basic or fundamental. But, that was decades ago, and I have seen the error of my ways. However, if ever I am confronted by the Tunku Aziz types who cast aspersions on my Bumi/Malay status, then I do feel like migrating!
Then there are the likes of Richard Razaleigh Lum who is a Malay/chinese living in the UK. You can read about him here:
This article is obviously slanted (pardon the pun) to perpetuate the narrative that Malays can do better overseas without NEP, where there is supposedly no racism. The article also wants to prove that even overseas malays can’t relate with local malays.
The author of the article, Lim Ai Leen (no surprise there!), also included Richard’s words:
Urgh! I hate it when I go from speaking in general terms to picking specific examples to make a point. But this is the same argumentation technique used by the Opposition. Political discourse tend to deteriorate into taunts, petty recriminations and the fallacious presentation of incomplete evidence.
Perhaps you got banned from the other blogs for unnecessarily provocative innuendos against the host, like with this line — “Maybe you should serve as a ‘token’ in a predominantly Malay organisation, or are you doing that now?” which is in almost same mould as the DAPsters in FMT over that article where you read everyone’s comments. Desist please.
It’s normal and alright for us to acknowledge our roots, though in this country all of us should be working towards the creation of a united and cohesive Bangsa Malaysia fully based on the Constitution, such that when economic functions etc are no longer identified by race, we can do away with official forms and documents needing the word Bangsa be stated, except for medical cases and others having legal implications. That I think is necessary for long term and enduring peace and harmony in this country.
On Malays and Bumiputeras, which term includes the natives of Sabah and Sarawak, I strongly recommend you read the books “The Malay Civilization”, 2007, and “Tamadun Alam Melayu”, 2009, both published by the Historical Society of Malaysia, whose membership includes eminent academics, like Professor Emeritus (Malay Studies) Dato Mohd Taib Osman, Professor Emeritus (History) Tan Sri Khoo Kay Kim, Professor of Archaeology Dato Nik Hassan Shuhaimai (who is also the Editor of Encyclopedia of Malaysia volume on Early History). That Society was set up in the latter part of the Colonial era by members of the prestigious Malayan Civil Service (now Perkhidmatan Tadbir Dan Diplomatik) for the purpose of providing a vehicle for the writing of matters of historical interest on this country based in Kuala Lumpur, rather than in the almost entirely expatriate and Singapore-based Journal of the Malayan Branch of the Royal Asiatic Society of the time. The founding President was one of the earliest Malay MCS Officers, Dato Mahmud Bin Mat (if my memory has not gone historical!). I sugget you Google the Historocal Society of Malaysia for more information.
I think there’s no need for anybody to renounce their roots, Bumi or non-Bumi status, so long as they subscribe to the Constitution of the country. It’s those who don’t, like many DAPsters, who need to have a serious look at their citizenship status because of their lack of respect for the Constitution, and I believe, citizenship must mean loyalty to the country, and respect for the Constitution is the only measure of loyalty.
Din Merican has Indian blood, like all those carrying the Merican name do. But he is a Malay by the Constitutional definition, though sometimes he and Sakmongkol (called a Malay apologist) do get questioned their Malayness because of their anti-Establishment posture. But then even Tun Dr Mahathir gets called Mamak for being an Establishment man and strongly Malay – and he has long ago admitted to having 25% Indian blood from his father’s side.
I don’t think it’s “an error of (your) ways” for thinking at one time of “‘making a stand’ and declaring myself just ‘Malaysian’”.We all need to proudly identify ourselves as Malaysians when abroad, not Malays, Chinese or Indians. Only when talking specific do we state our ethnic origin. Though I prefer the ancient name Tanah Melayu for this country, I accept that, despite the cajoling and arm-twisting by the bloody British colonialists pre-independence, we have gone through the democratic process, and Malaysia it is to-day. Good that, despite your frustrattion, you put aside thoughts about migrating. Migration is only for those who do not respect the Constitution and whose loyalty to this country is questionable.
As regards Helen, having been a participant in this blog since 2-3 months ago, I have not seen her being anti-Malay (she declared more than once previously having a Malay boyfriend) or anti-UMNO/BN, and she appears genuine in breaking away from her traditional DAP support. She has not been unfair, she justifies and explains any accusations she makes of others. That Opposition blogs like Malaysian Insider publishes her articles may be due to her excellent writing and clear thinking, plus the acquintanceship she built as colleagues when working in the New Straits Times. Perhaps you’d like to give her space in writing what she wants as she has given us space in commenting in her blog. Hope to continue seeing you around and in the meanwhile, best wishes to you, brother.
Thanks Anon. Small correction, ‘Malaysian Insider’ has never published me. It’s FMT. — Helen
Unlike some people who comment on this blog, including you Anon, I do read the Opposition websites like TMI, FMT etc to get their take on many issues. I read the comment sections as well to identify any valid points that would later become issues.
I sometimes can understand where the Malaysian Firsters come from. Some of them do seem sincere in wanting to be a part of something ‘larger than themselves’ that is not defined by race or creed. It’s an ethos probably modeled upon the American ideal of nationalism.
However, I also see the Opposition’s hypocrisy and the obvious double standards. They lack a fundamental understanding of how Malaysian/Malay society works.
As for din and sakmongkol, I can tell they just let loose their rabid dog commenters on me. They wanted me to be vilified as ‘mamak’ before banning me. I can see din as probably like the small group of jews who historically cooperated with the Nazis while allowing other jews to meet their terrible fate.
As for Helen, yes I do realize her intentions are sincere and there is more openness in the comment section to debate and discuss issues. However, it seems that my writing in particular really gets to her. My intent is just to play devil’s advocate, at times.
For example, I recently notice that the Helen allows DAP bashing openly in the comment section. And the term DAPsters, though comical and apt, is probably no different that using names like UMNOoo , Republicons and Dumbocrats to describe other political entities. I see also that she generalizes in describing DAP supporters as rude. I don’t want to disagree, but the generalizations don’t make us any better than DAP or UMNO for that matter.
I want to see the issues for what they are. With respect to race, I, being a mixture of 4 races, want to feel like I am beyond easy categorizations. However, as one commenter pointed out, the situation then shifts. It becomes an issue of how dark or how light (depending on the case) the skin color is. In other words, it would no longer be about ‘racism’ but an issue of ‘colorism’.
There are many forms of discrimination based on overt characteristics. I am sure Helen has heard of weightism. I can list others such as ageism, heightism, lookism.
From my vantage point, Malays who join DAP feel they are elite enough to ‘graduate’ from UMNO . It’s like they think they are ‘too good’ to be with the rest of the Malays . That’s my take from reading all the malay contributors to opposition websites. Nearly all of them espouse views that run contrary to mainstream Malay thinking. Most of their views are quite elitist.
PAS malays, on the other hand, are driven by their version of religion. I don’t want to get into it because I have close family member who are fervent followers.
Do DAP chinese feel they are elite? And, knowing how most chinese are like ( ie if one gets an LV bag, others , however poor, will strive to get one, too), do most chinese join DAP in order to appear ‘elite’? Is Helen going against the grain because she feels she is not part of the group of elitist, arrogant chinese (especially women) who think they look good in any dress ? Knowing how some cruel commenters pick on her size, does it make her angry that she doesn’t fit the elite DAP mold?
I apologize in advance to Helen for trying to psychoanalyze her. It’s because I read the comments in FMT and if her cuz calls her out, it does get me thinking. Btw, I don’t mind getting banned. Do what you must.
If the DAPsters want to call me “big, fat slob” (which is like ‘babi’ or ‘pig’ or other generalized insults), it doesn’t bother me one jot. It just shows that their brain is the obverse size since they can’t argue with facts & need to resort to the lowest form of taunting. And even if one were Miss Universe, they will still say “
fatthunder thighs” or pick on whatever perceived defect (merely reflecting their own lack of rational standards). — Helen
Don’t bother going down this path, OB, ‘cos I have no body image or looks issues. I used to represent my varsity in swimming (earning a half-blue) & obviously we had to compete wearing swimsuits.
As to the DAPster modus operandi, they will simply cook up any wild criticism to make their opponent look bad.
Like a recent one by regular troll ‘Sshsn’ who said my command of BM is “atrocious” (coming from a guy who’s never before left a BM comment here). I know he’s talking crap as I used to win BM subject prizes in school and even made it to the national finals of a Dewan Bahasa & Pustaka competition.
The more they persist in using these vulgar methods, the better for neutral readers to imagine what the country will be like under DAPster rule.
Those commenting loudest in the portals are already hardcore opposition voters & their votes won’t cause any swing. However, the way they behave (online & like at the Dong Jiao Zong rally) is making the middle ground & fence sitters re-evaluate.
So bearing this in mind, if any DAPsters want to throw the most outrageous insults, bring it on.
Believe it or not, there are so-called ‘neutral’ DAP supporters (my father being one of them) who think that the commenters who insult UMNO are actually UMNO supporters pretending to be DAP supporters. They think these ‘sock-puppet’ commenters are posting the insulting comments and trying to make other fence sitters so sick of DAP’s criticisms against everything “malay” as to make them want to return to UMNO.
Yeah, it sounds kooky and something a ‘conspiracy theorist’ might say, but still plausible unless there are ways to expose actual commenters.
Of course there are sites like FMT that forces commenters to use Facebook logins. The comments on FMT, on the other hand, do seem more toned down as opposed to TMI comments.
TMI comment section is controlled and so the ultimate blame can fall on the TMI admins. Is TMI actually a secret shill for UMNO who exposes all the pent-up frustrations and hatred of DAP supporters?
Full disclosure– I sometimes post insulting comments using a chinese sounding name on TMI . Those comments tend to get published.
When I post on TMI with a Malay sounding name that goes against the DAP/Opposition view, my comments don’t show up.
Anyhow, I will be leaving for the mid east tonight. Good luck dissecting the Opposition!
The Chinese do not have any right to look down on other people because they themselves, in certain ways, behave like low-lifers.
This not only happen in MT. If you go to many of the PAS blog, you will find many of them throwing racial insult to Tun Mahathir. I know one blog of a PAS fanatic who has systematically labeling TDM as Mamak Kutty and giving him derogatory racial remark to give an impression that Mahathir is not a Malay. It is unbelievable that someone who claimed championing Islam carry such attitude as what he did is clearly against the very basic principle of Islam in denouncing insulting another Muslim based on his racial background. There is a very well known narration from the Prophet reprimanding a companion for calling another as “budak hitam”. The prophet said to this companion that there is still a seed of jahiliah in his heart.
Reading the writing of this Tunku is really disheartening. What take a Muslim to throw such a derogatory racial remark on their Muslim brothers, be them Indian, Bangaladesh, etc. We should ask this Tunku, if he would like to be woken up in the day of Judgement to be group with LGE and the Dapster or he would rather be grouped with those he called bloody-minded, misguided constitutional Malay?
When I die and if I were to end up in heaven and then found myself in the company of DAPsters there, I would plead with the angels to transfer me to hell. Even in heaven, meeting up with DAPsters would be utter hell!
Though I don’t know much about the man (wasn’t he the well regarded Malay “gentleman”, a relative of Tengku A Rahman, once based in York – UN?), and I have not read much of his writing (have long ceased to waste my time reading MI), I think the piece referred to above is written by Tunku Aziz.
I think the question is why is he writing this piece? Rather short and not gentlemanly sounding. Has he become completely DAP- indoctrinated in thinking, and now manifested in his style of writing?
Obviously he is trying to defend the Dear Leader, Lim Guan Eng. But talking about “Aryan cousin of the Third Reich .. to cause as much mayhem as the Police .. years of blatant abuse with impunity by Mahathir .. by means fair and foul, mainly foul .. distort the system of orderly governance ..” Again, all being wild accusations, not providing any proof, justification or even explanations on what he says.
His may not be a case of DAP goonism but one of presumptuousness, thinking he can get away with whatever he writes, being in the DAP “Politbureau” – a Vice President, isn’t he?
But sneering the Constitutional Malays and saying, “For all their professed Malayness I am told the majority speak Tamil at home” takes away all semblance of his being a gentleman. I believe he’ll be bothered by accusations of being ungentlemanly, not of goonism and the like.
One seriously wonders how the man was given a spot in Transparency International. But I suppose it is this kind of wild, unjustified and unsubstantiated accusations that made him being dropped from the MACC Council. One may accuse but making general derogatory statements without substantiating them may have led to questions on his usefulness and to his being discarded.
Having lost his place in Transparency International and MACC, and hardly making news, he may be struggling to be relevant, in DAP. Particularly in view of the Malay newcomers like Sakmongkol Arif Sabri. I think he writes such articles as referred to above purely to maintain relevancy. Although perhaps he no longer has the vigour or the keenness to explain what he says. Not realizing that in doing so, he will slide further down the ladder towards obscurity.
The Tunku Aziz article is not short. I didn’t screenshot the full page (next time I must use a serrated border to indicate that it’s only a portion). Pls click on his article title in 2nd paragraph above to continue reading at TMI. — Helen
Postscript: Have just updated screenshot.
Having gone through the rest of the article, I stand by my opinion that makes wild accusations and does not provide proofs or justification on many of his accusations. E.g “Buying the so-called people’s mandate with state funds .. unbridled excesses we see unfolding before our eyes with regular monotony .. political thuggery in undemocratic and corrupt Umno-led Malaysia ..”
I’ve not heard about buying mandate with state funds before. I’ll accept the existence of vote buying but not with state funds. If he meant development projects, then how else governments of the world try to win votes other than via development projects.
He didn’t even bother to explain what “political thuggery” in Malaysia that he meant. And what standard does he use when accusing Malaysia as undemocratic – surely UN membership had reached some 150 when he was there, with a wide range of democratic-ness, the bottom most rung still accepted as full-fledged members of that august world body.
I shudder at the thought of how his superiors at UN would have viewed his reports if he had written that way. But of course he wasn’t DAP when at the UN! See how people degenerate into demagoguery when joining DAP!
“See how people degenerate into demagoguery when joining DAP!” LOL.
But more seriously, if Umno holds on to power, do you think there will be a post- GE13 backlash against the Chinese who have been stirred by the DAP demagogues to a fevered pitch? — Helen
There should not be an “if”, there should be a “when”. Frankly I’m concerned about what might happen to our peace and stability in the event of miscalculation or misdirection on the part of voters and the goons get to Putrajaya with the Talibans and the protect-Israel followers.
Mali came out in the news recently and, though we hardly had interruption in our democratic process except for about 2 years of Emergency rule in 1969, I hope no one gets any ideas of being adventurous or heroic like in Mali. I don’t mind being proven paranoid about this but it’s no fun living without democracy, though we might get Tunku Aziz regretting his wild accusation of Malaysia being undemocratic being proven true then.
I don’t think anything will happen if the status quo remains after PRU13, at worst only a hardening of attitudes especially against the perpetrators. But, unless BN gets a convincing majority, we’ll continue walking the tight rope and have always to be concerned about sparks coming out of irresponsible words and deeds by various quarters in the country.
It’s a given that DAP will emerge stronger from GE13. If so, how can BN get a convincing majority unless PAS & PKR flop? — Helen
Though I’m not privy to UMNO assessment(s) and plans, I’m not sure about DAP emerging stronger from or at GE13.
No reliable forecasting exists. The pollster Merdeka Centre can’t be trusted because the boss man is a close associate of Anwar.
But my hunch is that quite a sizeable number of voters have grown tired of DAP arrogance and uncompromising stance on important issues like belittling Islam (Malays) and consorting with Hudud promoters (non Malays). Sure they’ll win in predominantly Chinese urban areas but not so sure elsewhere.
To my mind, PKR has been playing on the anti-Establishment sentiment more than DAP even, but the Malays cannot quite accept Anwar’s character and the kampong folks don’t take kindly to his “sokong Yahudi”. Many voted PR at PRU12 not because of a strong liking for them but out of frustration at the “flip flopping, auto-piloting and sleepy” Pak Lah. Pak Jib has been trying hard.
PAS has problems even among their own members and ardent supporters when the Negara Islam and Hukum Hudud dream was chucked out last June. The thinking Malays laugh at Nik Aziz “kafir mengkafir and masuk neraka” tantrums and at MB Kedah Azizan U-turning his ban on entertainment outlets in Kedah last fasting month when Karpal Singh threatened to sue, and recently at his squabble with Exco Pahrolrazi.
The kampong folks do get thankful over such things as steady oil palm and rubber prices over several years plus the BRIM hand outs, the “durian runtuh” promises from the Stock Exchange listing of FELDA FGVH and the like. PAS tried to sabotage it by arranging 8 fellows to take an injunction but the Government circumvented it, and the Dataran Merdeka rally last week or so was attended by some 60,000 FELDA people.
Though he’s laughed at by many, I think Nik Aziz will still hold Kelantan. But elsewhere, UMNO may make inroads into PAS’ precariously held constituencies. Many have seen that PAS is not “parti Islam” as claimed, when they “sekongkol” with kafir DAP and “buang negara Islam”.
All told, I think a convincing majority is within BN’s reach.
You’re right about the uncertainty. According to Uthaya, he & the other Hindraf leaders were caught by surprise at the massive turnout for their rally but it was the SB/intel people who had forecast the closest estimate (this detail he learned later in Kamunting).
Tun Daim must be among the few in the know. I was going by his public prediction about level of Chinese support for DAP, which should translate into urban or Chinese-majority seats.
Having been a token Malay in a Chinese organisation I know that the harshest competition and criticism come from one’s own kind.
As a token Malay in a chinese dominated political party, Tunku Aziz is probably competing against other token Malays for the attention of their political bosses.
I don’t trust Transparency International either. Their survey methodology is inconsistent and has been criticized widely. They defend themselves by claiming corruption is just a ‘perception’.
Perception is the same thing DAP is trying to influence!
I mentioned to Helen about Godwin’s Law a while back. Good to know there are others who are aware of it.
There is also another saying:
Sorry to those who have special family members.
Speaking of family members (what a segue!). I was reading the comment section of Helen’s article in Free Malaysia Today . Kee Thuan Chye is Helen’s cousin and he publicly criticized her article. I’ve observed that it’s not common for chinese people to denounce their own kind in public, much less family members!
I’ve mentioned before that sembahyang dua imam/kafir-mengkafir Chinese version is happening b’cos of Amanat LGE & particularly in Penang. Yes, KTC is my first cousin & true, he publicly denounced my FMT article that you mentioned. I’m in the very small minority orang Cina yang tidak taksub kepada DAP & I think the personal attacks on me by DAPsters when my articles appear in the portals is just outrageous. — Helen
Since you want to psycho-analyse motives, Lim Guan Eng just launched my cousin’s book. How about that for allegiances & partiality? Story http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2012/04/08/next-ge-the-best-chance-for-real-change/
This article is a joke. It’s like a compilation of the worst blurbs you can find on book covers. The author writes:
Helen maybe you can tell us if he has an Australian or Singaporean PR . Then we’d know if he is a ‘true citizen’, whatever that means.
Kee was just shilling for DAP and his book while dumping on you. How sad when family does that!
I respect Kee Thuan Chye as a dramatist and actor but I did’nt expect him to have such retarded views on politics. What a letdown!
They are the ones who normally spit at others, promote hatred rather than positive development/peace dividing Malaysia en
masse and now they accuse others of this sin (in order to absolve themselves)
Surely youall have noticed that this as one of the strategies used in their combat to win votes(apart from quoting non relevant replies when asked for justification on their wrongdoings) .
Analogically speaking, this is just like a person upon farting loudly in a room, will first vehemently accuse others of this “sin” so that he/she will not be the prime suspect.
Better still DAPsters will say , other’s fart is smelly, but LGE’s is perfumed.And it is good for the brain and it can makev as smart LGE and his family( well, almost as smart as the great leader and his family).
UMNO led BN is like a vessel steered by one captain with clear destination. Whereas in Pakatan Rakyat, there bound to be a mutiny on the bounty with 3 captains and 3 destinations. What a chaous and sufferings will there be…??????
This is just another example of DAPsters naked hypocrisy. It is OK for DAP to make racist statements and exploit racial issues but when others point to valid matters, they are imemdiately accused of being racists.
Dear Leader LGE being the secgen, unsurprisingly has turned this biawak-ism into an art form. He truly deserved to be called Biawak King. When Penang UMNO raises the issue of mosque land being sold is accused of using sensitve racial issues to attack the CM and cause ethnic tension but when the Dear Leader himself atatcks BN for repressing Christians and destroying Chinese schools, it is all OK.
I see Tunku Aziz’s shocking outburst as a sign that DAP is panicking over the recent attacks by BN on LGE where his weaknesses and mismanagement were exposed.LGE always wanted to show he’s sort of superman and Penang as the meritocratic utopia for the Chinese. But these recent incidents have tarnished the image.
What Tunku Azizis trying to do is not so much to insult the Malays but even more sinister. He’s trying to divide the Malays in UMNO by saying that these mamaks are now controlling the Malays. He knows that however much DAP trying to hoodwink the Malays by bringing in fake Malays like Zairil and failed and rejected UMNO leaders like Aspan and Sak, things are not working out.
In fact,I get the feeling that Anwar would want to avoid Permatang Pauh and switch to mixed area (ex Nibong Tebal). This is because there is a strong chance that he will be defeated. That’s my vibes when I speak with the folks in PP.
The way these DAP leaders and DAPsters behave when they have limited power now is already worrying. I am not surprised if these DAPsters will sell off Malaysia to the highest bidders if they ever get federal power.
Helen my apologies for diverting a little bit. I read yesterday in Tamil papers that Uthaya is planning to discuss with Anwar on Hindraf’s 18 demands.
Well, you know I tend to take a very dim view of Hindraf and Uthaya but often their stupidity and naiviety are staggering.
Uthaya should have learnt his lessons from the last GE and by now understood Anwar’s attitude and honesty. Even if Pakatan accepts the 18 demands, there is no way that PR will win in the 13GE or fulfill these if they do.
I understand he can’t approach BN as he will lose credibility but endorsing PR will be the height of stupidity.
I think Uthaya and Hindraf better off stay as political neutrals and act as a pressure group than choose a side and lose credibility.What Uthaya is trying to achieve with this strategy.
One possibility is that Uthaya is trying to strike a deal so Hindraf can be given a few seats (MPs) and places in the government (councillors, exco, GLCs,etc). I hope this ain’t so but I would not rule this out.
I think Uthaya has over-estimated his influence for he and Hindraf no longer has the same sway over Indians as it was in 2007 and 2008. He still has some respect because he’s neutral but he’s in the danger of losing it all if he continues to flirt with Pakatan.
Perhaps, you being closer to these folks, have a more accurate perspective.
I read it as Uthaya calling Pakatan’s bluff. DSAI, LKS & TGHA not likely to make the appointment. With their no show being on record, then Uthaya can once & for all get his Indians to stop bugging Hindraf to back the opposition b’cos they will finally see for themselves the Pakatan unwillingness to put any cards on the table. — Helen
Helen,I do hope. But the article in FMT just confirmed what I had been saying all along, that Hindraf has splintered into many groups with different agenda and objectives. It has been clear for a while that Uthaya and Waytha had been in loggerheads. Now Hindraf wants to expel Uthaya. I think for all intents and purposes, the original Hindarf is dead.
Uthaya is the torchbearer. His is the face that the Indian grassroots recognize. — Helen
If i can add on this. HINDRAF is HINDRAF and Uthaya is Uthaya. Let’s not blur the distinction. For pseudo Nostradamus who did nothing it means nothing. HINDRAF’s objective has always been consistent and nobody denies Uthaya’s sacrifice.The grassroots today will recognize if the cause is right and it should not be based on one man’s agenda similar to Anwar or your favorite LGE. it is not one person’s crusade, it is about truth and reality and a collective process that we need to listen, observe and act accordingly and that is what the original HINDRAF is doing. I think it has just resurfaced with the courage and intelligence rather than one with arrogance for the populace like how we observe in your comments for and against either BN/PR without actual wisdom.
What is your “wisdom”, pray tell.
Just mentioning “truths”, “facts”, “factual facts”, and now “truth and reality”?
Why don’t you, for once, explain. For example what you mean by “a collective process that we need to listen”.
Now you accuse without substantiating again – saying “one with arrogance for the populace like how we observe in your comments for and against either BN/PR without actual wisdom.”
Try and read back what you wrote and see what are the facts and fancies in your above comment. The only fact I see is “HINDRAF is HINDRAF and Uthaya is Uthaya.” And that’s not much of a fact, is it?
The rest are all you opinions, man. What’s good for the goose may not be good for the gander. Irrespective of being in New York or Kampong Buah Pala.
The problem is which HINDRAF ? There are so many groups claiming to represent HINDRAF and they have such varied agenda and objectives that many people are confused.
You might say the original HINDRAF but who is fighting for and staying true to the original cause ? Apart from Uthaya none of the original leaders of HINDRAF are sticking to the founding spirit. I know Helen has much respect for Uthaya and consider him as the true leader who encapsulates the original HINDRAF and she might be right. I have know Uthya’s activities since 90s so I am more wary of him and his agenda.
In fact as I know the HINDRAF 5 do not even talk to each other. Uthaya’s problem with Waytha is no secret either.
If you notice,some of the groups that trying to kick out Uthaya are actually want HINDRAF to shed its political nuetrality and supplicates at the feet of Pakatan.
So how can you communicate clearly to the masses and the general public if HINDRAF is so riven by political and personal differences ?
Perhaps,instead of speaking in generalities and being vague, for once you can clarify the situation. Or perhaps you are unaware of this mess at home since you are faraway.
In case you are wondering,I do not disagree with the issue of Indian underclass. I differ with HINDRAF on how to solve the problem and the root cause. Since I had known Uthaya for years, I have a dim view of him. And since I had had dealings with HINDRAF and seen them in action, I think they are a part of the problem than the solution.
Sudah sampai masanya kaum tionghua boikot kedai kedai mamak di pulau mutiara ini. Sudah lebih betul kaum mamak ni. Saya sebagai anak pulau mutiara ini pun tidak tahan dengan sikap mamak umno disini.
Apapun, Kami sekeluarga dan jiran jiran disini akan terus sokong kepimpinan LGE. Sekurang kurangnya dia dengan konco konconya tidak menelan wang rakyat 250juta.
BElum lagi, bro tunggu tengok sapa yang kena . orang bodoh saja kata party yang dia sokong tak makan duit.
Kebenaran nya hampir 98.0% sapu, cuma makan besar atau makan kecik aja…
Kita bagi peluang dan sokong sehingga ada bukti mereka rasuah. Macam kita beri peluang dekat umno BN kian lama ini. Sudah terbukti pemimpin umno BN telah menelan Wang rakyat, kita berilah peluang kepada orang lain.
Undi lu,lu buat lu punya suka la.
lu nak lompat dengan labu-labu lu ,lu punya suka Daaaaaaaaaa.
Pemimpin dan penyokong DAP nyata lidah bercabang…sanggup memutarbelitkan fakta dan berbohong apa sahaja demi kuasa. Sedihnya, ramai orang Melayu/Islam sudah terpedaya dengan janji manis golongan tidak bermaruah ini.
Anon, you as usual miss the point. When you are born you cry, when you die you also cry. If you can only for once in your life if you live once for how the society has to be then you you don’t have to worry about this If the night is a blessing because of the darkess, then what light is there when it is darkness for marginalized and poor Malaysian community even in the daylight. When you can forego darkness for yourself yet for those deprived is bright, so why throw the sand to blur their vision.The cry of the deprived enlightens the humanity not for only how it severs us when it fits us like BN or PR. Let’s not get political and bitching about each other but desire that what we can do to uplift the humane community of Malaysians irrespective of origin without the typical brohahaa with an attitude that I am better or you are better.
What are you trying to say, MalaysianinNewYork? Are you trying to preach?
Tell us your religious denomination and see if any one wishes to subscribe to it.
Do realize that people have for ages been trying to “uplift the humane community” since Hinduism began (Hinduism said by some
to be oldest religion on earth), then the Jewish faith, Confucianism, Taoism, Buddhism, Christianity, Islam and so many other religious denominations after that.
Good that you want to do so but I recommend that you do it in ways that’ll make people believe you.
“bitching about each other”, eh? I suggest you refrain from repeating those words if you are trying to “uplift the humane community”.
Anon, my religion is simple, humanity. I don’t need someone to belief me. If you have humanity within your grasp, then you know what i am talking about. As i said when you are you born, people cry out of joy, when you die,people in grievance do the same. No religion,no belief can make a difference until and unless you are real in action.That can only happen if there is no constraint if it is for humanity. Who am I to preach? Do you think my preaching is going to make a difference unless and until you understand what the preaching is about.You don’t need me in your life to create chaos, as you have UMNO and PR to direct how it should be. My religion is simple, the truth & reality for humanity purpose irrespective of origin.
Sorry, man, I no subscribe to your religious denomination. No understand what exactly you wanna preach. Sound only unsubstantiated Opposition wild allegations. I better not entertain you further.
Anon, who cares if you will entertain me, you mean nothing to me. just another semua tahu, semua boleh that can only take care of yourself. It is a pity because that i wasted my time with you. What to do always giving the benefit of doubt for the hopeless case like you. .
Could Anon and MiNY take their fight outside the premises?
Aiyyo, OverseasBumi. Bukan kah saya sudah cakap I’d not entertain the man any more? You are the provocative kind, aren’t you?
Have a good day to you, too, OverseasBumi.
Sorry la bro. i didn’t read that. I thought MiNY and you were still going at it. I didn’t care to read all the minute details.
zairil khir johari is not a malay. how can he claimed himself a malay dan menggunakan nama khir johari as his father. sepatutnya ikut hukum dia mesti menggunakan nama abdullah sebagai nama bapanya. tak kan lah bila mak dia kahwin dengan khir johari dia boleh guna nama khir johari sebagai bapanya. zairil sedarlah diri dan guan eng pun sepatutnya tidak mengatakan “setpol saya melayu”. adakah hendak undi melayu sanggup guna melayu
Saya ada baca bahawa anak-anak arwah Tan Sri dibin dan dibintikan ‘Mohd Khir’. Pakai ‘Johari’ pula ikut nama datuk. Bukankah melanggar adat itu? — Helen
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