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Logo Hari Merdeka Pakatan ada elemen-elemen Kristian

Posted on by Helen Ang

Burung merpati melambangkan Roh Kudus, iaitu jasad ketiga Tuhan Triniti dalam agama Kristian.

Simbolisme burung merpati merah adalah berdasarkan tindakan “Christ redeemed Man with his blood”.

Disambung

Lihat logo ciptaan Pakatan (atas) untuk sambutan ulang tahun kemerdekaan — dilaporkan oleh Harakah

Banyak ayat al-Kitab (terutamanya buku-buku Gospel) yang merujuk kepada burung merpati.

Surah John 1:32

Ayat 32 John testified saying, “I have seen the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven, and He remained upon Him. 33 “I did not recognize Him, but He who sent me to baptize in water said to me, ‘He upon whom you see the Spirit descending and remaining upon Him, this is the One who baptizes in the Holy Spirit.’ 34 “I myself have seen, and have testified that this is the Son of God.”

Sumber gambar: Christian Spirituality: The Place of the Holy Spirit in Christian Discipleship

Matthew 3:16

16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”

Mark 1:10

10 Immediately coming up out of the water, He saw the heavens opening, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon Him; 11 and a voice came out of the heavens: “You are My beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased.”

Luke 3:22

22 and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, “You are My beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased.”

Lihat juga bentuk kelopak bunga raya yang terkandung dalam logo Pakatan. Bandingkan dengan nyalaan api dengan imajan burung merpati dan juga logo Ignite.

(Kemeja-T untuk sambutan Subang Rally – “Take Subang for Jesus” – juga menggunakan cogankata ‘Ignite for Christ’. Baca sini).

Hati merah suci merupakan satu lagi simbol penting dalam ikonografi Kristian.

Logo Hari Kemerdekaan yang direkacipta Pakatan mempunyai simbol burung merpati, hati merah dan kelopak bunga yang nampaknya macam nyalaan api Holy Spirit.

Simbol Gereja

Burung merpati adalah lambang gereja.

Ia juga simbol Kristian dalam lukisan-lukisan bercorak keagamaan serta digunakan sebagai hiasan popular untuk kad Krismas dan kad ucapan tahniah bagi upacara pengkristianan bayi dan kanak-kanak.

The Church: Dove as a symbol of the Church, the agent through which the Holy Spirit works on Earth.

Pentecost: Whitsunday, a feast of the universal Church which commemorates the Descent of the Holy Ghost upon the Apostles, 50 days after the Resurrection of Christ.

  • Saint Gregory is generally shown with a dove on his shoulder, symbolizing inspiration or rather Divine guidance.

Baptism: The dove symbol occurs frequently in connection with early representations of baptism.

In ancient times a dove-like vessel was frequently suspended over the baptismal fount.

Martyrdom: As a symbol of martyrdom it indicated the action of the Holy Spirit in bestowal of the fortitude necessary for the endurance of suffering.

Sumber: New Advent

Dove as a Christian symbol, rujuk http://www.jesuswalk.com/christian-symbols/dove.htm

Sudah berpuluh tahun negara kita menyambut Hari Merdeka. Cuba tengok logo tahun-tahun lepas (bawah).

Belum pernah ada logo hari kebangsaan yang serupa logo rekaan Pakatan berjiwa Kristian ini.

Simbolisme burung merpati terang-terang ikonografi Kristian dan asing daripada budaya tempatan kita.

MUTAKHIR:

Komen Roketkini terhadap rencana ini — SINI

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Murtad: Syor amat pelik oleh setiausaha agung Majlis Gereja-Gereja Malaysia

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181 thoughts on “Logo Hari Merdeka Pakatan ada elemen-elemen Kristian”

    1. macam mana pulak pos malaysia yg ada gambar merpati tu??? xnk kata gereja ke???

      1. apa ke bengap..kan merpati digunakan sbg alat penghantar mesej .. kena la dgn pos malaysia…

      2. Sorry, at first, second and third glance it looks like a male chicken or c*ck, which funnily befits PR so well, talking c*ck 24/7.. but I do agree to their slogan/theme though, unlike BN’s which lately does not translate how Malaysian should strive as one nation to keep the country at peace and harmony. Janji ditepati? come on. You can have that for Umno’s or BN’s anniversary slogan but not for independence.

    2. wow.. cybertroopers at work.. helen hit a jackpot !! The numbers of comments…wow this is the second best pre-empt strikes in spinning issue to pakatan sides after tanda putera..

    3. pe ke bengap bangan bahlol HARAM JADAH ko ni???
      pakatan rakyat perintah pon agama ISLAM still agama rasmi la BEBAL…

      2. sekarang memangla islam agama rasmi,kalau pakatan memerintah lain hal pulak jadinya.

  3. Apa yang nak dihairankan sangat, Helen. PAS akan korbankan apa saja, termasuk agama, untuk bertakhta di Putrajaya.

  5. CELAKA PUNYA PECACAI UMporNO/LEMBUNO…BATU API MELAGA-LAGAKAN KAUM DAN RAKYAT YG BERLAINAN AGAMA!!!…HANCURLAH KAMU BE END DAN UMporNO PADA PRU 13 INI.HIDUUUUPPPP PAKATAN RAKYAT!!!!

    1. boleh encik bengong jelaskan secara terperinci tentang simbol² kristian pada bendara US yang ditiru itu?

  10. And the dark stripe forming the underbelly of the dove represents @mmanoADUN, the skidmark on an otherwise white (anglophile) sheet? LOL!

  11. Yes Helen, the first time I looked at PR logo, I immediately noticed the ‘Buring Merpati symbol and immediately cross my mind that it very related to Christian.

    It is their very intention to promote christian in this logo, though they try to coverup under Merdeka/Malaysia colour.

    This remind me of TV3 ad last year with the flying trishaw, ( this element is pure christian trying to promote christianity into muslim ).

    For me this is taking it too far.

  13. owh aku baru tahu tu…so Agensi AntiDadah Kebangsaan tu yang guna logo merpati pun tu kira penggerak kristian la ya? hahaha~

    2. Spot n! Kalau taku sgt dgn lambang agama kristian tu kasi tembak semua burung merpat kat Malaysia…

  14. akhirnya DAP berjaya mentarbiah kan nik aziz ulama islam tersohor. hadi awang ulama islam tersohor.

  15. From wiki..

    Doves, usually meaning domesticated Rock Pigeons, are a traditional Christian symbol of love and peace

    hahaha..

    1. from same wiki:

      In Islam, doves and the pigeon family in general are respected and favoured because they are believed to have assisted the final prophet of Islam, Muhammad, in distracting his enemies outside the cave of Thaw’r in the great Hijra.

      the bird in the logo looks more like the bird motif in batik art, with fancy head plume n tail.

      maybe indonesians will complain

      1. The head plume of the Pakatan logo is a heart. Are hearts a common motif in batik?

        Since you want to mention pigoens in the Quran, I can also apply your logic and mention dogs in the Quran.

        If you’re saying by virtue of pigeons being mentioned in the Quran, they become Islamic iconography, then would you apply the same argument to dogs?

        See Surah Al-Kahf 18:18

      2. rexuan said doves are a symbol of love n peace in christian. i also pointed out the favorable view of the same animal in islam.

        bird motifs with ornate head plume n tail feathers are common themes in batik art
        ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

        Scan me a batik motif with the heart as an ornate head plume, can? — Helen

        P.S. There are no ornate tail feathers in the logo. The emphasis is on the wings (as the designers themselves said, keywords: “terbang”, “kebebasan”).

      3. hey, helen, since you insist its a dove, can you scan n show me a photo of a dove with head plume?

        can also be genetic engineered species from bio lab. : )

  16. Itu ayam rerama/serama lah…bukan burung merpati…apa ingat burung merpati saja je burung kat dunia ni? Kalau gitu tembak sajalah burung merpati kat Malaysia Dan jgn gunakan/lepaskan burung merpati kalau Ada upacara2 perasmian….jumud betul pemikiran!

    1. Tolong bacalah penjelasan yang diberikan pencipta logo itu sendiri. Dia kata: “Gabungan keseluruhan logo telah mewujudkan rupa seekor burung yang sedang terbang sekaligus melambangkan kebebasan …”

      ‘Gi tanya kat mana-mana orang di dunia, sejak bila ayam serama melambangkan kebebasan? Kalu gitu’ bila ada apa-apa upacara perasmian nanti, ko lepaskan ayam serama untuk menandakan kebebasan lah, oke?

      Tengok bawah atau baca link sini.

      null

  18. They still deny about their agenda to Christianize this country. Hmmmmm…………….kalau nak buat, biar buat terang2. Jangan nak nafi tu nafi ni bila dah bongkar muslihat.

  19. jgn jadi bodoh lah…. betapa banyak klip video pemimpin2 umno melepaskan buring merpati tu nak kata apa pulak.

    1. Ko yang pandai-pandai ni sebenarnya nak sampaikan mesej apa kepada pemimpin-pemimpin Umno?

      Gambar Paus Benedict di Vatican melepaskan burung merpati.

  20. in islam there are also story of dove.. so what? u think dove only a symbol for christian? pls open ur mind and read other religions story too.

    1. We’re talking about the Church being represented by the dove.

      You’ve never seen Christmas cards before, meh? (even if you may not have held hymn books in your hands). If you feel uncomfortable about going inside a church, then look from the outside at their stained glass window decorations.

      Since when is Islam represented by iconography? Excuse me … but to the best of my non-Muslim knowledge, Islam frowns upon pictorial representations.

      Don’t insult your own religion please just b’cos you’re politically kiasu.

      1. That Pakatan hacks coming to this blog pretending, impersonating as Muslims is nothing new. They use Malay, Muslim names but the moment they talk about Islam, you know these hacks are frauds and phoneys. Izzah, or whatever name they use, its nothing new. Nice try “Izzah”. Woo Hoo !

      2. do doves have ornate head ‘balung’ n tail feathers?

        its amusing the national day has turned into a debate on both sides. the national day song was claimed to be plagarize from christian song, even though theres similarity, but its only a part of it.

  22. sebelum ni saya ada membela 3 ekor burung merpati di dalam sangkar……setelah membaca blog ini saya terus membunuh burung merpati tersebut kerana takut iman dan akidah saya tergugat……

    1. they are also other animals that can be used to symboized peace internationally. tell that to pastor guan eng

  25. so lepas nih kena wat holocaust kat sume burung merpati ats bumi Malaysia nih sbb ia simbol Kristianiti…

    hahaha anda mmg pandai buat lawak antara benua lah Helen…

    1. rusdi, engkau ingat kita semua ni apa? engkau ingat kita percaya engkau ni melayu? tulis pun tak betul. yang orang pembangkang ni datang kat sini, yang kata mereka ni melayu, semuanya bohong belaka.

      nasihat saya kepada orang2 pembangkang yang bukan melayu tapi buat2 macam orang melayu, kalau nak buat tipu muslihat, baik pergi sekolah dahulu, lepas belajar bahasa kebangsaan beberapa tahun kemudian, barulah datang balik kat sini, lepas tu, bila hantar komen, rahsia tak terbongkar.

      1. masok airlah ko nih… paranoid gilerr tahap gaban… cube ko tgk logo Anti Dadah Kebangsaan, ade burung merpati x? logo PMCare, Pos Malaysia, Sabun Dove ade gmbr burung merpati ke x?

        kite jgn jd paranoid + bebal, org mcm ko nih lah yg memalukan umat Islam sbb otak xtau pikir btol2…

        by the aku nih oghe Klate. Lahir kat Machang Klate tapi loni aku dok KL sbb aku kijo sini… jgn sbb politik mung oyak aku nih buke melayu. jgn jd paranoid bedo’oh smpi mung tunjuk jahil tuke nyo mung…

      2. omg, rusdi, memang betoi! pm care ada logo merpati keristian.

        ini mungkin kerja orang sabah sarawak. kerana umno kini sudah lemah, orang borneo dah naik tocang. kini pandalina sudah menang pingat, ini mesej dari illuminati bahawa orang borneo akan naik taktha di bumi malaysia ini. omg!

    2. Tang kene kt korang paranoid bagai…ce bn yg buat….huh..cannot imagine…bunga tanjung pn blh jadi star if david…

  26. mana ada burung merpati dengan balung kepala dan bulu ekor besar cantik?

    hm, nanti helen boleh tuduh polis kita dipengaruhi ejen hindu kerana jata polis ada harimau. ke ke ke

    1. Hullo Dave,

      Ko ni tak reti nak baca ke?

      Read what the logo designers themselves explained: ““Gabungan keseluruhan logo telah mewujudkan rupa seekor burung yang sedang terbang sekaligus melambangkan kebebasan…”

      (1) They themselves said “sedang terbang”. They said nothing about “bulu ekor besar cantik” unless you’re now telling readers that you see a flying peacock in the image.

      (2) The logo designers stated “melambangkan kebebasan”. Now please go correct the mistake of the rest of the world who’ve got it wrong all these years with the dove.

      Inform them to get ayam serama to release from the top floor windows or parapet the next time they have these kind of ‘freedom’ ceremonies.

    2. quote helen: “(1) They themselves said “sedang terbang”. They said nothing about “bulu ekor besar cantik” unless you’re now telling readers that you see a flying peacock in the image.”

      and they also didnt say the bird was a dove. in any case, it cannot be a dove with the heart n bunga raya forming the head plume (balung kepala).

      now, if u really want to look for ‘omg! hidden kristian konspiracy’ u can look our postal service. notice the white bird that may or may not be a dove. using helenism logic, lets say its a dove

      and the new logo…

      jeng jeng jeng! omg, three doves! the trinity! father, son, holy spirit!

      must be christian conspiracy!

      1. Come on lah. The Pos Malaysia has a historical allusion to the function of carrier pigeons.

        “The yesteryears of Pos Malaysia Berhad can be traced back to the early 1800s with the establishment of postal services first in the Straits Settlements.” (source)

        The postal service started here in 1800s. If they use (retain) the pigeon logo, it’s understandable.

        The Pakatan logo was designed this month in 2012. What’s the rationale?

        If it’s not a dove – like you say – to symbolize flying and freedom, then what bird is it? Can you list your birdbrain suggestions? Ayam serama? Burung merak?

      2. but nowhere in the website says they used carrier pigeons (which btw, the dove is a species of pigeon, n carrier pigeons are usually grey)

        in fact, if you remember, the old pos malaysia logo had no bird

        http://kajang-stamps.blogspot.com/2010/08/logos-of-postal-authority-of-malaysia.html

        and with the new logo of 3 birds (doves?) probably representing the holy trinity.

        fyi im actually parodying your motive to search for hidden christian plots/symbolism/agendas behind everything

  27. Terima kasih. Mulai sekarang saya akan berhenti menggunakan pos malaysia kerana ia terdapat logo burung.

    Mohon share pls

  28. Jangan pakai twitter, salah. Orang dahulu berperang hantar utusan pakai burung merpati, salah. Pergi taman burung, salah. Guna burung utk melambangkan kebebasan, salah. Jangan jadi BODOH apabila anda membenci seseorang. gunakan akal yang ada (walaupun tak seberapa)

    1. Kalau ‘Janji Ditepati’ boleh dituduh mempunyai unsur politik BN, takde ke ‘membebaskan’ mempunyai unsur politik PR? Negara kita ni Burma ke?

      Lepas tu, korang kata “haramkan burung merpati”, “kena bunuh semua burung merpati” (kerana ia simbol Roh Kudus). Siapa yang hujah tak guna akal di sini?

      1. dah ko cakap gambaran burung merpati tu menyamai kristianiti.. nampaknya ko yg tak guna akal.. sarcas tu blogger ni…

    1. “Bodoh” only? I thought the favourite word with your gang to scold others is “low class”.

      And who are you to speak for the Chinese?

      1. Who are you to speak for the rest simply base on what you see you hypocrite ! A symbol of a bird is to show freedom in the nation. Dove is also a symbol of purity in many parts of the world. Unlike you Helen , people arent as dumb as you think they are. They will not support UMGOK like you do. period.

        1. You use the nic “Against Racism”? And you accuse my blog as a “racist site”?

          So when you say “MAMPUS UMGOK!”, you’re merely directing your curse at Umno’s 3.5 million members across the country?

          Salute! People like you are so useful in making fence-sitters fall off their neutral perch.

      2. QUOTED BY HELEN ANG ” Read what the logo designers themselves explained: ““Gabungan keseluruhan logo telah mewujudkan rupa seekor burung yang sedang terbang sekaligus melambangkan kebebasan…”
        (1) They themselves said “sedang terbang”. They said nothing about “bulu ekor besar cantik” unless you’re now telling readers that you see a flying peacock in the image.
        (2) The logo designers stated “melambangkan kebebasan”. Now please go correct the mistake of the rest of the world who’ve got it wrong all these years with the dove.”

        AND YET here you are twisting words into religion , FUNNY eh u ? Now you correct YOUR mistakes on the symbol of the bird. Who are you to judge what YOU see while the person who made the logo themselves is saying otherwise? People like you deserve the title ‘Conspiracist ! ‘

        Malaysia dont need thrash like you who demotes the country. Because of people like you we are not growing. You’re a pathetic who calls yourself Malaysian and yet ignites hate among people.

        PUI !

        1. ‘AgainstRacism’ is a typical Umno-hater putting words in other people’s mouth.

          You accuse me as “a pathetic who calls [myself] Malaysian”. Hullo, look to your right on the sidebar. It’s stated: “Aku Cina”.

          Yeah, yeah … in your Malaysian First eyes, people like me who admits Aku Cina is like TS Muhyiddin saying he’s Melayu and we’re “racists” unlike your ilk preaching Love, konon.

          Ko nak meludah ke langit, nanti muka sendiri juga yang basah.

      3. ***

        A typical “high class” ad hominem attack by the Perpetual Hysteria squad — Helen

    2. OF COZ who will like a body with full of cheaters ? Oh dont get me started on what they have done. Yes all of them have done one thing or another which has pocket the money of the rakyat, the point is , they dont stop.

      That is why people dislike umgok , oh how many million umgok are there again ? I SERIOUSLY doubt your numbers are right to begin with. Would you like me to provide you some of the sites with the amount of people who is not umgok ? You’ll be surprise with your close mindedness.

      Also , THANK YOU for admitting you’re a lousy Malaysian by saying AKU CINA. Malaysians are to say I’m a Malaysian and not by their race.

      THANK YOU for admitting you are a racist person by AKU CINA. Thank you that everyone now can see, HELEN ANG ADMITTED SHE IS A RACIST PERSON.

      Meludah ke langit jgn nanti jatuh kat muka u tu ya :)
      _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

      The 3.5m number is from NST in May 2012. Last year in Nov, the Umno info chief said 3.4m, see Star.– Helen

      2. Hahahahaha…. what lousy way to hentam people. its like syedsoutsidethebox said, ” my imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend ” …… trying to present your numbers are better than helen yet you said ” including ghost voters?” ….. any proven statistic on phantom voters ? since when anyone saying aku cina or aku malay is considered as racist? when u are a malaysian then u cant be a chinese or a malay or an indian ?

  30. Chill , there are 2 billion Christians in the world . It is the largest religion with 33% of the human populations are Christians. 1 in 3 people are Christians. People who are against Christianity as a religion will find fault with the religion.

    We have proven that helanang.wordpress.com is a racist wordpress site , thank you for once again proving to us UMGOK cannot be trusted. NO WAY ill vote for that crappy umgok in ANY General Elections.

    MAMPUS UMGOK !

    1. What has Helen got to do with UMGOK?

      Agak-agaklah bila nak hantam orang.

      Perpetual hysteria?

  34. Merpati adalah lambang sejagat yang bermaksud keamanan dan kebebasan. Kalau nak mencampur-adukkan isu agama dengan simbol merpati, sudah tentu tak patut, sebab agama Islam tak boleh menggunakan sebarang simbol binatang. Maka jata negara kita pun sebenarnya haram. Bukan begitu?

  35. pos malaysia ada gambar burung merpati.. korang xnk kata pejabat pos tu gereja ke???

  36. Haha blog ini agak lawak. Haish, Macam2 lah. Habislah skarang. Burung merpati yang baru terbang tu beragama Kristian! Kalau kita perhatikan, logo Kemerdekaan 1988 mempunyai 3 bulatan (yg mungking selari dgn konsep Trinity krisitian), Logo 1989 ada grafik Salib yang condong, Logo 1990 mempunyai grafik yang sepadan dgn respresentasi ‘roh kudus’, Logo 1994 mempunyai visual “Hati merah suci”. So, cam ne ni?

  37. Roketkini sudah memberi respons kepada rencana saya ini.

    Kata mereka:

    (petikan)

    “hari ini timbul pula tuduhan kononnya logo Hari Merdeka Pakatan Rakyat itu mengandungi simbol-simbol Kristian, seperti burung merpati dan bentuk hati berwarna merah. DAP lah juga yang dituduh telah berjaya mentarbiyah dan menundukkan PAS sehingga tertipunya mereka itu dan menerima simbologi Kristian yang tersirat di dalam logo. Kelakar.

    “Eh tolonglah. Nak tutup isu lagu Janji Ditepati sambutan Merdeka ala Umno-BN yang dikatakan diciplak daripada lagu Kristian yang memuja Yesus Kristus dari Indonesia ke?”

    Seterusnya di portal lidah DAP itu …

  38. Helen,

    Saya rasa cermin pada cerminmata saudari mengandungi elemen-elemen Kristian.

    Cuba tanggalkan cerminmata anda.
    Cuci cermin pada cerminmata dengan pencuci klorox.
    Bilas air dengan secukup-cukupnya.
    Pakai cerminata dan nikmati dunia sebenar.

  39. dia nak tutup isu yg dia cetus. hari tu pakatan ckp lagu janji ditepati ada unsur kristian. skrg bila helen bongkar kisah merpati dan kristian dalam logo pakatan mereka nak marah pula ke? huiisss double standard betul. anyway helen. keep on writing. dap semakin kepanasan. pakatan gali lubang tapi terjatuh dalam lubang yang dia gali nampaknya.

    1. Thanks. Actually I’d also blogged ‘Aiyoyo, irama ‘Janji Ditepati’ macam lagu gereja Indonesia? (kemaskini)‘ on Aug 1, and linking the YouTube of both songs.

      In my posting then, I even said the Indonesian gospel song sounds better than Janji Ditepati.

      So basically, I have raised the same issue to both sides but the reactions are SO DIFFERENT.

      The BN supporters took my Aug 1 posting calmly even though Rais Yatim had come under a lot of criticism from everyone for his logo, song & theme choices.

      BN supporters are capable of listening to contrary opinions and even willing to hear the charge that the song commissioned by the Ministry of Info sounds like a church song.

      However, with the Pakatan supporters, you can see the display of perpetual hysteria for yourself.

      In the other forums that have picked up this story, the DAPsters are shouting “Someone kill the bitch please!”

      1. Its very simple helen. There are 2 groups. For first group, when something went wrong, or somebody screwed up, we will still see them as guilty. Doesnt really matter bn or pr … but those people from tht aljuburi sides dont belong to the first group that i mentioned. They re in the 2nd group. People that cant really differentiate between truth or lies. whatever their beloved cult leader says, they follow like an obedient dog. Irony when they talk about freedom yet they cant even free themselves from their cult leaders ………

      2. lets see…

        1. jemesaidit | Ogos 1, 2012 at 3:37 pm

        Penyokong pakatan hanya nampak semut diseberang, gajah di depan mata, walaupun nampak tapi buat buat tak nampak…..typical kiasu!!!!

        only a handful of people commented anyway

    2. bercerita tentang kisah merpati, teman teringat kisah merpati membantu nabi membebaskan diri dari terperangkap didalam gua sehingga akhirnya nabi berjaya membebaskan diri daripada gua tersebut.

  40. cuba tanya penulis roketkini izmil amri tu, anak beranak bini mana yang ada dalam DAP? kata democratic.. kenapa ada dinasti keluarga plak

  41. the most stupid article ive read including the comments. i wasted my precious time. Ini pun boleh jadi isu.

  42. Doesn’t matter to me. All the designs this year, BN or PR, looks like crap. That’s what happens when political parties decide that they run national day celebrations like their personal campaign.

    Flight to freedom… I am still wrapping my head around it to link it with 1people, 1nation, 1Singapore… oops, I mean, sebangsa, senegara, sejiwa.
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    LOL & good point. Whatt IS the link between “the absence of absolute freedom was the main cause of calamity in some Muslim countries” (quote attributed to Anwar) and Freedom Logo and 1bangsa, 1negara, 1jiwa slogan? … Pakatoon logic? — Helen

    2. With Malaysians like these, who needs enemies.

      A non-stupid way out of this mess would be to fix this year’s independence day theme AND figure out a long term mechanism to work on future ones, i.e. via a bi-partisan committee led by civil servants from related ministries / departments. Outsource or contract it or have biennial competitions / submissions. No shit, the possibilities are endless.

      As it turns out, it has become a joke of international proportions. A stupid Opposition and a clueless Government is really entertaining, to say the least.

      And you think our politicians are actually fit to run the country? Have anyone actually watched “Yes, Prime Minister!”?

    3. Anwar wants ‘absolute freedom’?. Does he even allow a semblance of it in his own family-owned PKR or Kim Guan Eng allow a modicum of it to exist in his Anak-beranak Sdn. Bhd. DAP?

  44. “Gabungan keseluruhan logo telah mewujudkan rupa seekor burung yang sedang terbang sekaligus melambangkan kebebasan …”

    Tunjukkan saya mana2 artikel yang mengatakan BURUNG MERPATI adalah lambang KEBEBASAN. Setakat yang saya jumpa, burung merpati adalah lambang KEAMANAN, tetapi banyak artikel yang menyatakan BURUNG SECARA AM (bukan khusus kepada spesis tertentu) adalah lambang KEBEBASAN. Jadi cubaan anda untuk mengaitkan logo itu dengan Kristian nampaknya sudah tersasar.

    1. Kaitan merpati dengan ‘kebebasan’ ialah penjelasan yang diberikan oleh pencipta logo. Lihat poster bertajuk ‘Rasional Logo’.

      Kaitan merpati dengan Roh Kudus:

      Pertamanya sekali rujuk kitab Injil, surah-surah dan ayat-ayat sudah dipetik dalam rencana atas.

      http://www.gotquestions.org/Holy-Spirit-dove.html

      http://christianity.about.com/od/symbolspictures/ig/Christian-Symbols-Glossary/Christian-Dove.htm

      http://www.jesus.org/life-of-jesus/youth-and-baptism/why-did-the-holy-spirit-descend-in-the-form-of-a-dove.html

      http://www.heraldmag.org/2005/05so_2.htm

      http://www.vawtermark.com/THE_HOLY_SPIRIT_AS_A_DOVE.htm

      http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05144b.htm

      http://orthodoxwiki.org/Holy_Spirit

      1. Pencipta tidak menyatakan secara spesifik bahawa itu adalah BURUNG MERPATI! Anda yang kata! You accused people of putting words into your mouth, and yet you didn’t realize that you yourself are putting words into the designer’s mouth. Just admit your mistake.

        1. Saya pun tidak akan mengatakan secara spesifik bahawa mana-mana pengomen (pada rencana ini) adalah seorang pembaca yang terikut-ikut gelagat kiasu si DAPster.

          Saya hanya akan berkata bahawa sesetengah yang meninggalkan komen mereka, mahupun individu Melayu, jelas terbawa dengan kiasu-isme rakan-rakan segerombolan politik.

          Tu lah, nak bersekongkol lagi.

      2. azam, itulah helen.

        dia kata logo burung itu ialah merpati kristien walaupun pencipta pun tak menyebutnya

        bila diberitau burung itu ada bulu ekor yang besar (mana ade merpati dengan bulu ekor indah berwarna serta balung kepala?) dia kemudian kata pencipta logo tidak menyebut begitu.

        ini mmg kes mengubah tiang gol

    2. A malay concerned about christianity….what a coincidemce…i am concerned why christian priests rape lil boys…care to elaborate

  45. My God! Teruknye org opposition ni. so much hatred. I thought they are all about love….what was it, love the sinner, not the sin?

    Why is it ok for them to criticise the government and whatever the gov does and yet org tak leh comment sikit pun pasal depa? Teruk nye!!!!!

    Whatever you do, people may not see things the way you see it. So, just like you said to Helen to be open minded, you pun kena ikut lah nasihat you sendiri. Be open minded to the fact that Helen is not the only one who sees elements of christianity in the logo. Just like some people see the official PKR logo (of the hands reaching fort he sky) similar to the gay rights movement logo.

    So lain org, lain hati, lain mata, lain budi…

    1. the PKR logo to me look like ‘mata satu’. And you know what mata satu is assiociate with…makhluk akhir zaman. D*jj*l

  46. it’s seem logical that the Pakatoon states mati-mati reject ‘janji ditepati’ slogan…b’coz they NEVER tepati their janji!

    1. Pakatan philosohpy is Janji ditaburi, lepas tu semua dijuburi.

      Kalau tak percaya, baca Buku Jingga and then survey the happiness of folks in Gombak, Selangor and Tanjung Bungah, Penang. Not to forget the Kg Buah Pala folk.

  47. Ok lah Ok lah, x kisah la lambang apa pon pon, yang penting logo ni buruk sebab apa2 dari pembangkang sentiasa buruk.. dah2 jangan gaduh2 kita tengok PRU13 macam mana nanti, so Everyone, chill , bulan2 puasa xpayah buat dosa kering lebih2 lagi pembangkang, ko keje nak auta je, x baik uols ni taw

    1. Bila Pakatoons nampak dewa-dewi mereka kena jolok, terus naik nafsu syahwat dia… mana la orang tak panggil taksub. Kalah orang yang mabuk todi.

  48. burung merpati pun jadi masalah.. apa kata kita kaitkan dgn peristiwa merpati selamatkan Rasullah dari cubaan dibunuh oleh musyikin mekah.. bersembunyi digua thur.. dimana burung merpati segera membuat sarang dan labah2 membuat sawang utk melindungi Rasullah dan abu bakar… haa… lagu mana tu??

    1. So spiderman tu mulia la sbb labah2 pn selamatkan Rasulullah..pakcik…agama islam x berkait dgn ape2 simbol..wlupun merpati tu ade membantu, wajar kekite menjadikannye simbolik?

      But on the 2n thought la…mmg tipikal paster ok ngan simbolik2 ni…y?…try melawat umah pnyokong pas, gbr pemimpin dorang digantung remind me of gbr jesus christ di rumah org kristian..

      huhu. Felt stupid bc komen2 dorang.. n helen, mmg tipikal prangai pr supporter cam tu… bukan dapster je, ade paster n pakatoon jgk.

  49. You know what Helen, when the first posting on BN’s Janji Ditepati song entry came up, I thought it was so trivial. Then this PR logo entry arrived. It is still very trivial imho, but the response you have gotten (in contrast) is illuminating – to put it mildly.

    I won’t call them cybertroopers, I mean, I don’t think the majority gets paid. It is more of a testament of the level of conviction, even if it is misguided conviction – that PR can do no wrong, that is really impressive.

    I mean, look, anytime someone writes that “hati” bersesuaian dengan tema “sejiwa”, I get confused. Sehati sejiwa is not the same as sejiwa sejiwa, no? Jiwa is soul, filsafat, kenapa pakai simbol hati? Bab burung terbang ke arah kebebasan / kemerdekaan tu lagilah bangang tahap gaban. Malaysia dah 55 tahun merdeka, kalau tak cukup bebas, kasi-lah lagi banyak burung-burung berterbangan. Takde modal dan idea nak buat logo tapi nak masuk idea kebebasan. Kan baik kalau terus aje cakap hati itu melambangkan cinta – cinta akan negara! Kan baik kalau terus aje cakap burung itu melambangkan keamanan – sentiasa aman dan sentosa negara kita! Orang buat logo berdasarkan motif perpaduan, kesejahteraan, kenegaraan, kemajuan. Yang ini ayam ke burung entah ada kena sponsor Pos Malaysia, Kenny Rogers atau KFC ke tidak?

    Call me biased or indoctrinated, aku suka logo abstrak, bukan logo ayam / burung.
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    No, they’re not “paid” cybertroopers. The taksubs who were hollering (directed at me) — “Someone please kill the bitch” — are Hannah Yeoh fans. They brought up her name even tho’ HY is not mentioned at all in this post. The thing is that the DAPster cultish devotion is deliberately cultivated & state media like     ST willingly act as vehicles or conduits. — Helen.

    1. true Helen. Most of them already being brainwash into believing whatever their leader told them. Its endup become , if u r againts us , u r low class , stupid or getting paid for it. And yet they still croaking democracy~

  50. Christianity Christianity Christianity , cool i didnt know Malaysian like Helen are afraid of Christianity. This is fun to see and watch how people struggle. People only voice out such issue if they feel inferior to it. Well proved by this worthless topic.

    Yet again , what does she know about Christianity anyways :)

    1. I hope that you do not go around blogosphere impersonating me as part of your dirty smear campaign.

      What kind of people are you?

      1. Maybe she IS called Helen, Helen, and her surname is also Ang.

        Didn’t they say that impersonation is the sincerest form of flattery?

        It is like PR imitating BN as alluded to by Mahathir. Reality is a mother.

    2. Christianity? ?……what is that…world war 1 or world war 2 or centuries of pillaging colonialism

  51. Nah , not worth it anyways, i was just testing if wordpress allowed similar name posting system or not. Fail wordpress =.=

    anyhow, you’re quite famous at ragecomic in 9gag already for your racist post, so i dont need to do any more hate post so yeah haha. Truthfully i wonder why do you dislike Christianity so much ?

    2. What’s there to like about Christianity? So much voodoo. And that with persons such as you, or Hannah Yeoh, to talk up a snake oil peddler named Jesus Christ?
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      I’m allowing the ‘Hannah Yeoh’ nic in the same spirit that I’ve allowed the ‘Helen Ang’ nic earlier. — Helen

  52. haa…tak da kena mengena pun…budak sekolah pun tahu apa la..tak pasal2 kena sound dgn budak sekolah..

  53. ape salahnyer nk letak brung ker aper ker

    brung tu allah cipta bkn ntuk org kristian jer kan?

    jadi aper salahnyer

    dan org yg buat logo nie bkn ntuk tiru kafir laknat tu tapi ntuk mlambangkan kebebasan dari penjajah
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    Penjajah berunder 55 tahun dahulu le bro. Pakatan ni sejukbeku (tercegat) dalam tahun 1957 dan belum menjejak ke alaf ke-21 lagi ke? — Helen

    2. Pakatoons’ grasp of history only extend to 2008. Hence their tolerance for shi’ites, communists and assorted anarchists.

  54. Pakatoons all cuckoo head over helen post about salib dove. Hahah..hilarious..takes so little poking to flush all the pakatoon roaches.

  55. Truthfully, the pakatoon salib dove logo is as stupid as rais yatim janji ditepati logo wihich despite its political rhetoric is honest..but rais wins because the pakatoons decided to get the upper hand to design an equally unimaginative and christian laced propganda logo which base on the coment list in helen blog has atracted other bloggers to recycle this salib dove conspiracy theory not to mention malay commentators who are sure to share this khabar baik with others…hahaha

    Reaction by megachurch spies seem to indicate their insecurity or shall we say gelabah like anwar after the sex tapes..malays are already upset that dapster pakatoon manoharan tweet over lee chong wei and now this…seriously i know why najib delay the pru…its to let the megachurch arrogant heads to show their true colors..haha..we will see pas to go head to head with karpal over the islamic state issue….pakatoon dream to putrajaya is as elusive as a dove posessed by some holy ghost 3 in 1 allah.

    1. what to do

      dumb ass party is going head to head with parti auta sokmo. led by the party kencing kan rakyat.

  56. TAK KISAH LAH NAK LETAK BURUNG MERPATI KE BURUNG LAYANG2 KA, BURUNG APA2…. ASALKAN NIAT KITA BETUL SUDAH,, JANGANLAH BERFIKIRAN NEGATIF DAN SEMPIT,,, KALAU

    MACAM TU, SIMBOL “+” DALAM MATEMATIK DAN HURUF “T” KENA BUANG LA, SEBAB MENYAMAI SIMBOL KRISTIAN, BTUL TAK?… JADI TAK SALAH NAK PILIH MERPATI PUN, BURUNG TU KAN CIPTAAN TUHAN JUGA, KENAPA NAK PANDANG NEGATIF PADA BURUNG TU, DIA TAK BERSALAH PUN…

    HARAP KITA LEBIH BERFIKIRAN TERBUKA DAN JANGAN ASYIK MENCARI KESALAHAN ORANG LAIN.. :) ,,, SEMOGA KITA SEMUA DIAMPUNKAN ALLAH S.W.T.

    1. KENA BATANG HIDUNG SENDIRI, MELOMPAT MACAM KERA.
      NI HA, SIBODOH PKR DAN SETAN NIK. NI CONTOH ORG BETUL BETUL BODOH

  57. Satu Malaysia to all …. saya rasa, Apapung yang dicatatkan adalah luahan hati … pekara ini bagi saya adalah subjektif … sebagai contoh warna merah memberi perlambangan yang pelbagai … Tidak perlulah saya nak ulas…

    Apapung kita hendaklah `think positive` mengikut pancaindera anugerah Allah dan tidak terkeluar dari landasan Islam yang Satu. ~tepuk dada tanya hati ` apa yang terbaik untuk negara … sebab kita adala negara Malaysia.

    Kepada pengundi2… tak kira pro or contra ke atas parti berfikirlah berkali2 … Namun Islam tetap perlu didaulatkan … Didoakan di hindar dari.. `Menang Jadi Abu, Kalah Jadi Arang`

    Selamat berpuasa dan selamat hari raya to malaysian`.

    Wassalam.

  58. Good morning Helen. Congratulations Helen ! From the comments by Opposition hacks on this particular topic, it shows that they are really, really insecure. So when they can’t counter the premise of your argument, the typical race card is flashed out. Hence you see people accusing you of racism, of promoting racism etc.

    But Helen, that is to be expected. Isn’t it obvious that the people calling others racists are the first to utter racist language when they are boxed into a corner ?

    Keep up with the good work. No need to apologize to these racist hacks. This blog caters to Helen’s readers. If you don’t like what Helen writes about, don’t come to this blog.

    After all, you talk about freedom, free speech etc. So if you don’t like what she writes about, you can exercise your “freedom” not to come here.

    Peace Helen. Keep up the good work. The readers, the genuine readers, are always here for you Helen.

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    Thanks.

  59. Zhou En Lai said “too earlier to tell” referring to French Revo. I think to Petra, it is whatever that suits him, when he were against the regime, he call his reader coward, changes can only via revolution he scream, now since he is a changed man, he used the same analogy but “twist” a bit and told us the French revo changed nothing in the end, he even talk Iran, then what about America, Russia and China revo?

    China renowned scholar Li Zhehou said perhaps a reformation in Qing imitated the British constitutional monarchy plus democracy will lead to less damage than compare to a revolution from communist…..hey raja boy, we are already with a constitutional monarchy political system so what revo is he talking about? He even associates democracy with Hitler and what a joker he is? Did this fella have a clue what a democracy is?

    ps/ i paste here since i cant find the comment section in your latest post on rpk.

  60. Cyber infestation by brainwashed PR trolls occurs when one exposes the inconvenient truth about the subversive shenanigans of their masters.

    Helen, no need to explain anything to these uncouth simpletons. Just whack the living daylights out of these hateful little zombies.

  61. PASAL GAMBAR BURUNG , DIKAITKAN DENGAN KRISTIAN ?? kalau macam tu , tema janji tepati pun ada unsur kristian jugak apa . “Janji Ditepati” bermula dengan huruf “J” . jESUS kan bermula dengan huruf “J” . NAMPAK TAK KONSPIRASI BN ? hahahahah . pegila share cepat . apa punya pemikiran la puak bn ni , abis tu dalam exam math ada bentuk segitiga , takkan nak cakap agenda freemason pulak kot ? 55 tahun merdeka , otak masih budak-budak

    2. si anuarizan yg mahabodoh mcm anuwar dan setan nik. helen ang bukan penyokong BN dan dia tak pangkah pun BN pada 2008 March. ini la bodoh nya puak PKR dan PAS.

  62. orang malaysia sibuk2 bergaduh pasal burung….orang barat dah lama sampai ke bulan….macamana la malaysia nak maju kalau macam ni…

  63. Reply LLC:
    I think that the theme/ slogan is very much opposing to the Article 153 of the Constitution of Malaysia. In fact all races were at peace in Malaysia before all these Christians, Liberalists and Pluralists started going wild. In fact Chinese and Indians should remember who they were in Malaysia before Merdeka.

  64. Hikhikhikhik…Apa pun tak boleh…

    Talking about Paranoia…
    Saya masih ingat lagi betapa penyokong Pakatan duk ungkit tentang duit baru 10 sen…(sampai ada yang bersumpah tak mahu simpan the NEW 10 sen coin)

    Nothing concrete…
    hanya dengan membuat sambungan of some imaginary lines…
    WOW!! ITS A STAR of DAVID….!!!
    Kerajaan Malaysia..UMNO…Peyokong propaganda Yahudi/Israel!!

    hikhikhikhik….

  65. Pening aku korang gaduh cam ni. Padahal kita semua rakyat Malaysia. Aku nak cakap pasal 1Malaysia.

    Minggu lepas kereta aku sangkut kat kerb pasal nak elakkan kereta yang a bodoh driver park macam buntut ayam. Yang datang tolong aku angkat kereta dari atas kerb terdiri dari bangsa Melayu, Cina, India. Abang India tu siap lagi suruh anak saya tak payah tolong pasal puasa. Yang pakcik Cina tu siap jackkan kete aku, cuba nak naikkan kete, berpeluh-peluh dia tengah panas. Kalau tak pasal sikap 1Malaysia begini, tentu aku kena panggil towtruck. Sempat one of the nice gentlemen sorakkan ‘1Malaysia!’ lepas kete aku ok.

    Sama-samalah kita kunjung mengunjung Raya ini dan hidupkan semangat 1Malaysia. Seandainya negara kita ini porak peranda dek sebab kita sendiri bercakaran, di mana lah kita hendak pergi?

    1. lepas baca banyak komen stail nak gaduj aje, saya suka sangat baca cerita snarahman ini!

      saya pun nak ambik kesempatan ini utk ucap selamat bersikap 1Msia dan selamat hari raya kpd semua! :)

  66. dear helen and fellow visitors to RYT,

    i think there is a real need here to differentiate between the actions of the “new” evangelistic christians of malaysia [which may or may not be potentially insidious] and the tenets and practices of all christiandom.

    honest commenters and debaters of this entry on both sides should bear in mind that criticising the underhanded actions and motives of these evangelistic kooks and zealots is not targeting christians in general; just as condemming the talibans shouldn’t be seen as attacking all muslims.

    the evangelistic crazies who appear to have come to the thread in droves naturally relish the confusion because it is to their advantage to get other msian christians who are not guilty of evangelism to be defensive also. don’t lah go helping them pulak!

    helen’s pointing out the obviousness of christian icons being used in the PR logo for our national day is not running down those icons. nor should it be seen as a slight on the good bird or the organ. only idiots or mischief-makers would suggest that. it is rather the questioning of the motive(s) of using such religiously-loaded images with no justifiable relevance!

    so DO NOT LET THOSE KOOKS shift the focus lah!

    1. Mekyam, you said

      “it is rather the questioning of the motive(s) of using such religiously-loaded images with no justifiable relevance!”

      Really, then let me be the flavor of the day how does humanity fit in Malaysia because religion is used as a tool to divide our co-existence. Here we criminalize the acts of dissent if it is pro PR and vice versa, yet not being a pro PR, but an ardent fan of BN, how have BN made it better for us when they are unable to co-exist without being ready to address the issues that concerns basic humanity amongst the rest.

      This does not need a political drive but only the ability and having the conviction amongst us individually on a collective basis to do the right thingy for Malaysian irrespective of origin in the current prevailing environment.

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  68. Aku sebagai Rakyat Malaysia pun rasa Rakyat Malaysia ni Rakyat Yang Bodoh.. Bodoh Akal.. Bodoh Bab Berfikir.. Dah Bodoh Di Perbodohkan Lagi Sememang Nya Lahir Sebagai Bodoh..

    Simbol Merpati adalah Simbol Kebebasan.. Dari mana datang salah dengan Logo Merpati yang membawa Erti Kebebasan.. Bergaduh la Melayu sesama Melayu bertelagah untuk perkara ni.. Berpecah Melayu kerana Kebodohan masing masing..

    ALLAH dah bagi Otak untuk berfikir.

    Fikir la.. Jika kerana Logo Burung Merpati ni je korang semua dah boleh ubah agama orang lain,. Baju Manchaster United yang Najib Pernah Pakai tu dah Murtadkan Najib ke? tidak kan..

    1. Aku sokong… Ramai bodoh bergaduh tentang merpati. Sedih bile tengok melayu bodoh. kepada yg bijak pandai terutama yg beragama islam, kembali kepada Al quran.. Ada ke tidak nas2 yg mengharamkan Merpati? Sedarlah… merpati tu pun ciptaan tuhan, bkn hak mutlak kristian. Lembu yg dianggap tuhan hinddu pun kite sembelih, adakah mereka(hinddu) meanggap kite tidak hormat kepada tuhan mereke? Islam ni mmg lemah… senang diperbodohkan, sbb tu dunia hari ini islam 2 sgt lemah… renung2kan…
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      Lepas tu, TG Hadi Awang arah dirobohkan patung penyu di bulatan K.T’ganu tu kenapa? Ada nas yang mengharamkan penyu? Bukankan penyu itu ciptan tuhan juga? — Helen

  69. Harmony is Marxism, not Chinese and Marxism has nothing much to do with Chinese culture. The Chinese best version of modern creation with referring to harmony is when they claim “harmonized by CCP”

    Peaceful is pretty western, that is why China use the phrase “peaceful rise” for the sake of gweilo, but Mozi advocate ‘peace’ more than 2000 years ago.

    This is the common problem when one humbleness lacking anglophile wants to be a Chinese.

  70. woi!! Helen trgkn kt aku, tntg hruf ‘t’ dlm abjad rumi, bkn ke hruf ‘t’ mnyrupai simbol kristian, knp org rmi dri dlu smpi skrg bla gna hruf tu dlm pnulisan xd yg bangkang, ni bnda brung mrpati ko dok bsing2…

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  74. Show some respect and stop using religion as a prop for propaganda dumb asses.
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    “Where do they manufacture these retards”? in Subang Jaya Twitterverse? — Helen

    1. You troopers never learn do you? Is this the best you can do. What a disapointment.

  76. Byk komen Pro dan Anti Merpati… yang byk kaitkan merpati dgn kritian 2 sedarlah… Merpati itu jg binatang ciptaan tuhan (Allah), merpati bukan hak mutlak agama kristian. Admin ni pun betul2 kelirukan pembaca… Admin yakin ke salah guna gambar merpati? tunjuk2 mane2 kitab yg menunjukkan ia salah… guna otak la… adess…

    1. AbabSepet, ko ni siapa?

      Harus minta golongan ulama dan pihak berkuasa Islam untuk tolong beri penjelasan.

      Sebenarnya saya pun berharap agar Pusat Islam, Jakim atau mana-mana badan bertauliah akan meneliti perkara ini. Tapi bukan tempat saya untuk menyatakan permintaan sedemikian kerana saya bukan-Muslim.

      Apapun saya berharap umat Islam sendiri akan bertanya kepada para ilmuwan supaya boleh dijernihkan hal ini.

  77. Dlm rumah aku ada 2 ekor burung, so aku pengamal ajaran kristianlah. Mangkokpunya statement.!

  78. Terima kasih Helen, kerana menguatkan lagi sentimen apa sahaja berkaitan dengan Kristian adalah musuh. U r a sweetie. U gain a lot from this. When someday they turns against anything chinese, hope you remember this time glory well.
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    U r a DAPster. When someday they call you “low class”, hope you remember all that you’re doing in this present time. — Helen

  79. Ababsepet ku salute pendapat anda.. walaupun bunyi agak radikal tetapi andalh seseorng yg memahami apa itu islam..i’m christian but as long as God gives us wisdom to think, this kind of provocation will never bring peace among us but disaster to all of us. I’m sorry of peace lover..

    Religion is man-made but the relationship with God is already human-nature without us realize it. btw the logo isn’t controversial at all if we look at the positive context.. Peace God with you all.. Bless You all..

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