Dua hari lepas (Sabtu), PAS Negri Sembilan telah mengadakan rumah terbuka di Dataran Senawang. Di keramaian hari raya tersebut, para tetamu lelaki dan wanita telah diasing-asingkan.
Peraturan ini dikenakan di Seremban dan bukannya di Kelantan atau Kedah.
Ketua Pemuda DAP, Anthony Loke, salah seorang jemputan di majlis makan tersebut telah mempertahankan tindakan PAS itu.
“Our detractors should know that such things are common at PAS-organised events.”
Sebelum itu pada hari Selasa (Sept 4), Anthony Loke juga menyatakan pendirian DAP terhadap hudud yang ditegaskannya adalah berbeda daripada bantahan keras yang sering dikemukakan oleh MCA.
“If we are not involved in crime, why should we worry over its implementation or punishment. What MCA is doing is demonising Islam, painting Islam with an extremist kind of image with regard to hudud, to which we [DAP] do not agree.”
Intipatinya, puak evangelis yang menerajui DAP pada masa kini tidak membantah pelaksanaan hudud serta begitu mesra dengan amalan-amalan masyarakat Islam seperti pengasingan jantina.
Malah evangelis DAP juga menyokong agar wanita bukan-Muslim juga ikut menutup aurat.
Memandangkan sikap DAP yang begitu lembut dengan halatuju Malaysia ke arah sebuah negara Islam yang bakal mempraktikkan hudud, mengasingkan jantina serta mewajarkan tatacara pakaian tertib ala PAS/Timur Tengah, saya pun hairan mengapa sesetengah pihak mahu menggelar DAP sebagai “kafir harbi”.
Sepatutnya orang Melayu lagi sayang akan puak evangelis DAP berbanding Cina-Cina sesat MCA, bukan? Hakikatnya DAP sudah berjaya mentarbiah pengikut-pengikut ABUnya untuk menerima hudud.
Helen Ang 
Adakah niat Anthony tersebut ikhlas (tiada cara kita ketahui sekarang) hanya masa akan menentukannya..
Bagi kami deraf hudud PAS amat tidak bertepatan dengan ajaran Islam yakni keadilan hendaklah diberi kpd semua rakyat (Islam/bukan).. cara2 pembuktian juga amat2 ‘vague’, hanya bergantung kpd bukti persaksian sahaja menafikan hak tertuduh..
Ketidak seragaman antara hudud negeri (hudud Kelantan amat berlainan dpd Terengganu, Kedah langsung tiada niat utk melaksanakan hudud)
As I had commented in one of your earlier postings, all of the hudud punishments appear either in the bible or the gospel but nowhere in the Quran. (At most they are found in the hadith which are collections of the quotes and practices of Mohammed that were verbally passed down from generation to generation until they were committed in writing some 300 to 400 years later.)
In other words, PAS had been fighting the evangelist DAP’s fight with more fervour than did the DAP itself. Is it any wonder then that they are that akrab? That should explain, too, why Karpal’s had been a lone voice within DAP vis-a-vis the hudud issue.
A most interesting insight, Salhas.
Their symbiotic relationship makes sense if we look at it this way:
(a) DAP evangelists are helping PAS to install hudud
(b) PAS is helping evangelical DAP install biblical punishments which are identical to hudud
Karpal is the only one in DAP who doesn’t get it b’cos he’s Sikh.
Have you ever read the old testament (hebrew bible)? Or the new testament?
From the bible:
No pork!
No homos!
Kill non-virgins!
Man rules over women!
To the woman he said,
Kill adulterers!
Difficult for rich to enter heaven!
Kill children who curse their parents!
Kill apostates!
See the similarities? They want to blur the differences, so they can entice the PAS extremists.
Consider yourself catechized!
PS I am sure the extremist christian fundies who read your blog would argue that I took all those bible quotes out of context or they are superseded by verses from the new testament.
I was under the impression that the earlier Medina verses are abrogated by the later Mecca verses should they conflict.
Therefore, contention by the Christian fundies that Jesus came anew to do away with the old (Mosaic law, etc) would be another similarity between the PAS and the DAP orthodox “co-religionists”, no?
Don’t you sleep? What time is it in Malaysia, 2 am?
Anyhow, I dare not comment much on the Quran lest I be attacked by my own people! I will just try to describe the issue in a factual manner.
First of all ‘Sister’ Helen, you got it the other way around– Meccan suras first, medinan suras after.
Orientalist (and probably some traditional muslim scholars) would argue that meccan suras were largely pacifist in tone, while the medinan suras promoted harsher measures against those who opposed Islam.
As for the abrogated verses, i wanted to open the discussion on the alleged ‘sword verse’ (part of the medinan sura of the Quran) that forms the basis of the modern jihadi movement.
Sayyid Qutb is probably the leading Islamic thinker who used the ‘sword verse’ to justify jihad. I won’t be surprised if most PAS supporters also follow Qutb closely. It’s important to note, Qutb spent some of years in the United States, where he witnessed what he considered decadent American lifestyles. Qutb obviously influenced Osama.
Unsurprisingly, most sites that discusses the ‘sword verse’ are BANNED in the UAE, as they are usually sites that promote apostasy or are blatantly anti-Islamic.
There is also the topic of the ‘satanic’ verses that allegedly involved goddesses that had a following in pre-Islamic Arabia. These verses were expunged, of course. The book by Salman Rushdie attempted to revive this story. Anwar himself claims to have read Rushdie’s book. Interpret that however you want.
Another thing I remember mentioning to you a while before is how religions, if left unchecked, can sometimes influence one another or partially merge. Sometimes conflicting religious ideas can converge in a process called syncretism.
Time zones: I see that you spend your stroke of midnight on my blog. That’s fine with me. You’re in a strict Islamic city where everything sleeps at 10pm?
Okay, I stand corrected on the sura order.
I’ve read Rushdie’s that book. Am aware of the goddess Allat.
I once attended a talk by Dr Maza (in KL) & the event organizers held a book display-cum-sale at the venue concurrently. I would usually buy some books at these events. At this one, I bought Nik Abduh’s compilation of essays as well as a notebook and on the notebook cover was Sayyid Qutb, Hassan Banna, (if I’m not mistaken) Yusuf Qaradawi and one other fella I’ve forgotten whom.
So our local publishers and stationers are indeed familiar with Sayyid Qutb.
Salhas has summed it up perfectly..
Thanks Salhas..
hai helen
yang lembut itulah perlu lagi kita berhati-hati. kenapa pulak boleh tiba-tiba jadi lembut.
ini dikatakan ada udang di sebalik batu.
Saya boleh terima lelaki perempuan dipisahkan semasa acara beramai, tapi kalau dijadikan S.O.P bagi rakyat Malaysia, itu 100% kemenangan kepada orang Islam yang suka hidup macam orang Pakistan Taliban dan juga cara di Saudi Arabia. Begitu juga dengan Hudud Ala PAS., 100% kemenangan kepada mereka.
Kita di Malaysia ini, dipupuk, diDoktrinkan dalam perlembangan, tidak ada satu kaum pun yang menang semuanya, dan tidak ada satu kaum pun yang kalah semuanya. Marilah kita enjoy persamaan kita serta meraikan berbezaan kita sebagai orang Malaysia.
Moya
Who would be stupid enough to fall for such obvious ploys?
It’s like strangers offering candy for kids to get them into the van.
You said :
“Who would be stupid enough to fall for such obvious ploys?”
I have said numerous times, that when people live in an alternative universe, a make believe world, i.e Wonderland, they see what they want to see, hear what they want to hear, believe what they want to believe.
You also said :
“It’s like strangers offering candy for kids to get them into the van.”
When you tell people what they want to hear, when you give them things they want to see, you don’t even have to offer them anything, let along candy. They will simply beg you to “take us there, we want to know what it is”.
I only have two words to offer: “Project Crossover”.
helen,
tahniah hit blog anda dah capai 702,225 hits setakat ni.
OB,
thanks for the info. interesthing.
jika para evangelist DAPster mau kembali mengikut old testament, tentulah PAS lebih layak bergabung dengan DAP jika dibandingkan dengan PKR yang cenderung kepada Islam liberal.
jika PR menang pada PRU depan, tentulah PKR akan ditendang keluar kerana tidak sehaluan dengan DAPster dan PAStors (PASters). jeng jeng jeng…
tak dapatlah bang nuar jadi PM… kesian…
Thanks. My readership has almost doubled since my 5 minutes of fame over the spotting of Christian elements in the Pakatan Merdeka logo.
Ha-ha ~ sarcasm ~ Hannah Yeoh tweeting me to her 50,000 followers – like how banning or badmouthing a book provides it free publicity – could have brought some (hostile) traffic this way too.
I’m popularly read in Penang (for obvious reasons :), in KL and this is a surprisingly piece of news — in Terengganu!
it shows that the penyokong and haters are promoting you aggresively nowadays. :)
congrats!
Anthony Loke’s retort is the common, or should I say, standard reply of DAPsters when you confront them with the seemingly paradoxial stance of DAP vis-a-vis PAS and Hudud.
I recall the 1995 and 1999 GEs where the Chinese punished DAP for working with PAS. The defeat was so severe that DAP pulled out of their alliance with PAS.
But there has been a sea change among the Chinese when it comes to PAS and Hudud. They no longer see Hudud as a threat to their way of life or culture despite the ample evidence in Malaysia and elsewhere on the destructive nature of wahahbi-inspired Islam that PAS propogates.
This is not because the Chinese are deceived by PAS but because the Chinese are deceiving themselves. They have worked themselves in a trance-like state where no logic or facts can convince them from voting for DAP or their fellow snake oil salesmen and women from Pakatan.
It does not matter how many cute kopi boys scandals come up or China dolls video are released. It does not matter if Pakatan states are reeling under mismanagement and in-fighting. It does not matter if Kelantan resembles Iran and Afghanistan. It does not matter if Dear Leader sells off the whole of Penang. It does not even matter if Pakatan adopts Hudud in its Orange Book.
Nothing will convince the Chinese to change their mind from voting for DAP and whoever works with them.
Just recall before the 2008 GE on the kind of messages that Pakatan and the online media were frightening Malaysians with. We were told that the Islamists were running wild and Malaysia is turning into a conservative Muslim country that banning this concert and that, imposes restrictions on non Muslims, etc.
In fact if you recall, LKS and LGE were using Dr M’s declaration of Malaysia as an Islamic nation as a disaster for the nation and a main campaign tactic vs BN.
Imagine if Chua Soi Lek states that MCA accepts Hudud as long as it is restricted to Muslim. Imagine the reaction of onlne media and the foreign press if UMNO embraces Hudud. Chua will be branded as a traitor and MCA will be called as a running dog of UMNO and having sold off the Chinese interests.
This is why I say that no matter what DAP and their fellow conmen say, it will matter little on the voting Chinese public. They will find a way to rationalize it.
As far as I remember, the Chinese in Malaysia been the most rational and astute voters. Balancing the national and community interests by voting for BN or Opposition at the right times. But I see that they have lost their thinking faculties and now are voting with their emotions and thrown away the strategic calculus they always had displayed previously. And when you are guided with emotion you can win big or lose big.
I predict that when the GE13 results are out, and when BN wins as expected and the Chinese deserts BN as expected, there will be a big re-think among the UMNO leaders. This is the last GE where the Chinese can play a significant role due to various factors like demography, political balance, etc. If they throw this away, they will lose more than mere representations in the govt.
Indeed GE13 could be a watershed in our history.
You said :
This is perpetual hysteria as a result of living in an alternative universe, a make believe world called Wonderland, as I’d pointed out on numerous occasions. No surprise for regular readers of this blog.
Another point you mentioned :
You misunderstood the Chinese community. If you really do your homework, most Chinese here are the descendants of coolies and the poorly educated who were sold by the Europeans to business owners operating in Malaya in the late 18th to late 19th centuries, most of these people were, are to be found today in Perak, Penang, Selangor, KL, their forefathers initially were sold to Malaya to work as tin miners and as coolies. So in other words, or to put it crudely, most present day Chinese Malaysians, primarily those in Perak, Penang, Selangor, KL, they are of the “low” quality stock, so to expect them to do what you mentioned is akin to asking for the stars.
and you said :
Just look at the Sarawak state assembly. But their land stand will be the GE14, as far as I m concerned, GE13 will be the peak of the Chinese vote, I mean, how many votes can they harvest from this group ?
As far as political representations go, I don’t believe the Chinese care about it. For them, from now on, it is all about obstructing the government of the day, just like what you have with the Democrats and the Republicans in the USA, the Republicans doing anything and everything possible, employing every trick in the book, to obstruct the Obama administration.
and GE14 will be a “brand new day” for Malaysia, and Malaysia will, by then, be finally able to “move on”.
a correction here :
and you said :
Just look at the Sarawak state assembly. But their last stand will be the GE14, as far as I m concerned, GE13 will be the peak of the Chinese vote, I mean, how many votes can they harvest from this group ?
sorry about that wrong word, should read as last, not land.
That was the 18th and 19th centuries when they coolies then. What were the me-layus’ main occupation then? Farmers?
In the 21st century now, the me-layu can be proud of themselves as having the most mat despatch and rempits in the country. Probably the chinese are still the coolies now and hence they need to choose a government who doesn’t have an army of thiefs specializing in stealing money from the country’s coffers.
So Ravin, after a few bottles you’ve become Indian again ?
Ravin doesn’t realize just how many of these malay despatches are entrusted with banking in the money of many a chinese towkay.
Ravin cannot even bank on his identity to earn an honest living. He has to use multiple names to create a fictional scenario supportive of his masters who, it is interesting to note, are aspiring to be the biggest thieves of the nation’s coffers we have ever seen.
If that were not the case, Tailorgate would not have happened so damn soon after they came into power. Other people faced temptation for years before giving in. Ravin’s PR masters had set their targets on corruption all along.
Ravin, your hipocrisy is sickening.
interesting view and sudut pandangan, en calvinsankaran.
I concur generally with your take on Chinese strategic preference for the upcoming GE. But that is mainly due to their materialistic value system. They’d root in for the party/ies they feel would form the next government.
The reason they’re putting their money on PR this time around is that they saw the trend set in the last GE when the PR made substantial inroads into BN strongholds. It was the traditional staunch BN backers, the Malays,that caused the ground shift. They decided to teach their party, that had ,of late, grown more arrogant, a lesson. Even Dr. Mahathir urged the electorate not to give BN a two-thirds majority.
Your prediction that the Chinese may lose more than mere representation in the next government is very realistic.
True indeed, chinese representation will be eroded significantly in GE13,the political landscape will be malay dominated with the east malaysia bumiputeras playing a more important role as can be seen by the numerous deputy minsters from east malaydia with their exotic names.
malaysia will enter its golden age in the next decades and the chinese role will diminish, demographically, more malays will especially the younger generation will benefit the most thanks to government active role in increasing access to education and developing industries that can absorb the workforce…after all…isnt itnthe chinese dream to seek some fairyland of equality other than malaysia?
You are spot on. Malaysia is changing and it is a sea-change in terms of demography, economy and politics. Many people do not see the change that is happening right in front of their eyes.
I do have a huge respect for the Chinese (those in South East Asia and Taiwan/HK that is). I admire their industry, resourcefulness and dedication and determination.
The Malaysian Chinese have become the victims of their own success and living in their past glories. The rise of China and the globalization has given them over confidence in their abilities and self-worth.
However they have not noticed the changes happening in front of their eyes. One, they have declined demographically. Two, their political power is declining with in their traditional power bases of cities where the percentage of non-Chinese (Malays mainly) is increasing rapidly. The number of Chinese majority seat will only reduce by every passing GE. Third, the industry they had traditionally controlled are being liberalized and being taken over by others. Fourthly, their economic power (ie gap vis-a-vis Malays) are narrowing and due to increasing bumi birth rate.
The 4th point is easy to see – just watch number of adverts on papers, TV and elsewhere targetting the Malays. It wasn’t too long ago that these adverts only focused on the Chinese.
Finally, the traditional migration routes for them are closing. Singapore facing huge internal problems due to their immigration policies and that was reflected in the last GE. Now they are tightening the rules and cutting down on foreigners.
Australia too have the same issue and this is being compounded by their economic problems. The Middle East, one time a booming destination, has crashed and burned.
Moreover, unlike many Chinese believe, these countries only want highly qualified or extremely rich people. Not the typical Dapster off the street will do.
My favourite quote is from Darwin – it is not the strongest or the fittest of the species survive but the one most adaptable to change.
DAP’s victory in the last GE has given the Chinese a wrong message and DAP has drummed into them that they had been wronged and victimised by BN/Malays.
However, they have been mislead. It doesn’t matter if it is BN or Pakatan. If you are a minority, you are a minority. Under BN’s arrangement, the worse they can get is the Social Contract. But under PAS’ rule, they could lose it all – religious freedom, Chinese education, papers/radio & TV stations, etc.
Calvinsankaran, may your prophecy come true!!
En. Zaki,
Calvinsankaran gave a prediction, not prophecy. For his words to become prophecy, mr. calvinsankaran needs to be a prophet / nabi. Word has it that currently, in Malaysia, only a certain political party got nabi wannabe, and I don’t think they’d welcome another one :-P
SOG,
whoaaa… (nganga.com), clever lah.
@I.D.A.
Hahaha jangan laa camtu.
Since when malays separate men and women????..and we are copying arabs that are backwards in the desert
Actually, separation of men and women in Malay culture is a longstanding practice. I take for example a kenduri doa selamat in a kampung. It is traditional for men to sit on one area of the house, while women in another, usually an adjoining room or just another corner of the main hall. Usually children will sit with their mothers, but sometimes they might sit with their fathers.
So the separation of malays and women are well-established in Malay culture. Maybe that’s not the practice in big cities, but that’s the city.
However, for me it really isn’t the issue here. They’re pecking at each other like deranged hens while there are bigger issues that Muslims need to address. Murtad is the biggest problem. Teenage pregnancy Many other things. These things need to be addressed at the root, and I doubt the root lies in how we get together once a year and eat rich food. It lies in how we live our everyday lives.
That PAS tried to treat a Raya open house like a tahlil was stupid, but it was really a non-issue. Considering that PAS played along to DAP’s tune really makes me wonder what kinda magic dust they put in their kopiahs.
Actually this separation is common tradition among Eastern communities but with the influence of Western Culture this practice has eroded. In fact this is still practiced among the Indian community and in India it is even stronger. For example in temples or at weddings it is common to separate the two genders,
Before you stereotype all Arabs, may I just share first-hand experience:
A large number of Arabs are urbane, well-heeled folk who speak 3-4 languages. The bedouins, on the other hand, spend most of their time wandering the desert and are typically ‘backward’ by the standards of city folk. If you want to insult an Arab, call him a bedouin and see what happens. :)
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LOL. Thanks for the info. — Helen
Ravin, can you stop running down the Malays like your Anglicized DAP. You say
So what they at least what they are to express what they feel. These Mat despatch & rempits is the doing of us for not providing them the opportunity to enhance themselves for our own needs. You can correct the society’s wrong doing with the holier than thou concept for political maneuvering but rather by addressing their issues irrespective of the origin. Trust me those Mat Rempit & Mat Despatch have more humanity than you do for how it serves only you.
Ravin,
Just like other races, Malays also faces numerous challenges. There is no denying that there are many “mat Rempit” among Malay community. But certainly one entire community cant be faulted for that.
Just like many ah Longs” are Chinese and known to be heartless . I cant simply blame entire Chinese community for that.
AS FOR PAS, it is not “hudud” or insistence on Islam that is the problem. THe problem with PAS is its being so hypocrite. That is the real issue.
At one end, PAS chided UMNO for not pursuing Islam. At the end of another spectrum. Nizar mocked Tajol Rosli by asking Tajol to point where in PAS constitution that shows proof of PAS wanting to establish Islamic state.
Tell me who is going to believe PAS beside its fanatical supporters who try to absolve their misdeeds by supporting PAS.
As for DAP, well needless to say, it caters to Lim Dynasty only. And it tries to achieve the objective by inciting Chinese to go againsts the Malays.