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Amaran “jangan memperolok-olokkan agama Kristian”

Posting di bawah adalah jawapan saya kepada amaran yang disampaikan oleh seorang pembaca supaya wajar “jangan taksub memperolok-olokkan agama Kristian”.

Beliau mendakwa rencana-rencana di blog ini “kebanyakannya mengupas aktiviti ahli-ahli DAP dengan menggunakan pelbagai terma keagamaan”.

Pembaca tersebut ‘Jsper’ juga menegur:

“Kalau nak kutuk, kutuk sahaja [Si XYZ, politikus tweet-tweet-tweet DAP] … mengapa perlu dimasukkan agama Kristian dan kaum Cina di dalam olahan saudari seolah-olah itu adalah perkara yang benar dipercayai DAP?”

Pada hemat saya, Kristian kepada DAP 2.0 adalah seiras Islam kepada PAS.

Maka dengan itu, agama Kristian adalah merupakan sebahagian daripada percaturan politik puak yang kini menguasai DAP. Mereka mendapat sokongan gereja sama seperti PAS berkempen di masjid.

Hussein tapi bukan Muslim

Adakah agama seseorang politikus perlu menjadi pertimbangan? Jawapannya ‘Ya’.

Contohnya presiden Amerika Syarikat sering menjauhkan diri daripada nama ‘Hussein’ yang dimilikinya – name penuh: Barack Hussein Obama – kerana takut kehilangan undi orang putih.

Madonna sebenarnya peminat dan penyokong tegar Obama [YouTube sini]
Madonna terpaksa memberi penjelasan setelah timbul kekalutan ekoran komennya yang mencetuskan kekecohan (“caused a stir“) serta menyebabkan penyanyi tersebut dikecam (“Madonna under fire“).

Kata Madonna:

“I was being ironic on stage. Yes, I know Obama is not a Muslim – though I know that plenty of people in this country think he is. And what if he were?”

Mitt Romney seorang Mormon

Pesaing Obama ialah Mitt Romney, calon parti Republican, yang menganut agama Mormon.

Dalam rancangan televisyen di rangkaian MSNBC (pro-Democrat) beberapa bulan lepas, juru acara Lawrence O’Donnell mengolah:

“Part of Romney’s religion problem is that he’s a member of a new religion. Established religions like Judaism, which is about 4,000 years old and Christianity, which is about 2,000 years old, don’t easily warm up to new religions like Romney’s which is only 182 years old.”

Bill O’Reilly, rakan sejawatnya di Fox News (rangkaian televisyen pro-Republican), berpendapat andaikata O’Donnell membuat komen yang serupa tentang Islam, pasti juru acara MSNBC itu akan dipecat dengan serta-merta.

Soal-jawab tentang peranan agama

Majalah Cathedral Age menajukan soalan “How does faith play a role in your life?” kepada kedua-dua Obama dan Romney.

Obama:

“First and foremost, my Christian faith gives me a perspective and security that I don’t think I would have otherwise: That I am loved. That, at the end of the day, God is in control.”

Romney:

“Faith is integral to my life. I have served as a lay pastor in my church. I faithfully follow its precepts.”

Sumber: Cathedral Age Q&A

Tambah Romney, “A political leader’s faith can tell us a great deal or nothing…”.

Apapun, sekurang-kurangnya Romney berterus-terang bahawa beliau seorang Mormon.

Apa agama pemimpin agung DAP?

Ada sesetengah pemimpin DAP yang menyorok daripada pengetahuan umum apa sebenarnya agama yang mereka anuti.

Komen Rakesh, seorang pembaca regular blog ini:

“I wonder what is DAP Christian/Catholic and PAS supporters take on the guideline released by that parent teacher’s association (the related ministry claimed it didn’t endorse it, but as usual blame is on the ruling party). From what I know, these two religion is totally against same-sex thingy. Enlighten me…”

Pastinya PAS tidak merestui LGBT.

Apakah pendirian DAP tentang kesalahan ‘jenayah’ serta ketetapan-ketetapan yang diwajibkan berikut:

(1) Bunuh orang yang murtad (Kitab Injil, Deuteronomy 13:6-10)

(2) Hukuman rejam atas penzina (Kitab Injil, Deuteronomy 22: 23-24)

(3) Tutup aurat (Kitab Injil, 1st Corinthians 11: 5-6) dan simpan janggut (Kitab Injil, Exodus 28: 3-4)

Sumber: OutSyed the Box

Selain PAS yang mengkehendaki hukuman hudud ke atas pesalah, adakah DAP pun menyetujui hukuman mengikut kandungan kitab bagi orang yang menyimpang dari tatatertib agama?

Adakah penyokong dan politikus DAP akan membawa landasan Kitab Injil kepada pendekatan perundangan dan penguatkuasaan undang-undang, contohnya ke atas kumpulan LGBT?

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106 thoughts on “Amaran “jangan memperolok-olokkan agama Kristian”

  1. I believe some Quran words are wrong interpreted. Cutting hand is not intended by Quran. It obviously imperfect & can not be called as God law. Hand cut can not be applied for those born with no hands, hand cut can not be applied for 3rd times offence & stealing punishment shall not be severe than accusation without witness (more harm than stealing) punishment. God law shall can be applied to every person & every time. If God really ask for body cutting, penis of adultery shall be cut, tongue of defamation shall be cut. Barbarian law can not be called as God law.

    Hudud Pas have stone to death & kill murtad. This is exactly not in Quran. Hudud Pas also have cutting leg for 2nd time stealing. This is also not in Quran. Many items of hudud Pas actually are not in Quran. Hudud Pas actually embarrassing Islam. Christian should tell Pas why they stop punishment that similar to hudud Pas.

    Actually many practices are believed as Islamic is not in Quran. For examples: janggut, jubah & serban. This is not in Quran but in Bible. Hair cover is also not said in Quran but mentioned in Bible. They say follow hadis but the hadis align with Bible. As muslim, they should follow hadis align with Quran. Actually Islam is universal but narrowed to whatever name called Islam: party, bank, clothes, food, etc. But many cases who bring Islam name worst than others.

    One question, how muslim ibadat before hadis book compiled. There is also not guarantee current hadis book content is original at the time written. I believe if Quran is interpreted accurately, hadis book is not needed. Some opinion said ‘sola’ in Quran is not routine pray. Muslim problem now are tend to believe fairy tales story more than Quran.

    For those muslim, do not accuse me as murtad because my opinion may be contradict to most of you. We must tell & admit the truth. Correct me if I wrong.

    TQ
    Pedang

    1. Hmm, cutting off the tongue of those who keep defaming. Sounds like an appealing punishment for the foul-mouthed DAPsters who keep flinging mud (lies) hoping some of it would stick.

    2. are you muslim pedang? you sounded like non-muslim…if you are muslim you should repent yourself. if you’re non muslim, don’t write about things that you unsure of. hadis is not fairy tales, only anti-hadis people would say that or you wanted to insult muslim with your opinion.

      btw you can’t murtad yourself if you pretend to be muslim.

      1. Sebenarnya ramai Muslim di Malaysia berfikiran sebegini and growing in number.. salah seorang advocate adalah syed out the box.. selalu gak aku baca blog beliau dan amat provokotif..

      2. Do you believe hadis said Nabi had 11 wives? I do not believe because it contra with Quran. You must believe Quran more than any books. Do not simply accuse other as murtad. Islam ask to Islamkan orang not to murtadkan orang.

      3. I.D.A,

        aku rasa dia tu bukan Muslim, tak hairan pun kalau kita boleh confirm dia tu bukan Muslim.

        ingat Ravin / Mohd Aziz ? Mula-mula dia kata dia Melayu, taoi lepas tu, bila dah pecah rahsia, dia pun balik guna nama Ravin, lepas tu tak habis-habis hentam kita dan Helen.

        Kita kena berhati-hati. bila ada orang yang datang kat sini kata dia tu Melayu, Muslim, kita kena siasat dulu. Ingat kes Ravin / Mohd Aziz !

      4. The Dictator,

        tu la kannn… aku pun dari awai saspek dia ni orientalis. yg kaji Islam dgn tujuan menyesatkan… wallahua’lam.

    3. Benar hadis dikumpul agak lambat, pada masa sebelum hadis dikumpul kesemua ummah Muslim hafal ‘by heart’ dan ada beberapa yg dilakarkan di atas berbagai medium plus bits & pieces here & there..

      Kita mendapat rahmah semenjak datangnya Imam Bukhari yang telah menyusahkan dirinya dan beberapa sahabah2nya untuk mengumpul fragment hadis berkenaan dan setiap pengumpulan bukan di buat sembrono.. Imam Bukhari akan study kelakuan, sifat, perangai orang2 yg memiliki hadis2 tertentu dan mesyuarah di jalankan untuk memastikan kesahihan hadis berkenaan.. dipendekkan cerita hadis Nabi SAW kompilasi Bukhari bukanlah ‘fairy tales’..

      1. Imam Bukhari collected hadis around 214 yrs after Nabi. Only less 1% included in Sahih Bukhari. That means too many fake hadis.

        There were 70 Sahih Bukhari version in 15th century. Final version today is around 582 yrs after Imam Bukhari, around 796 yrs after Nabi.

        There is no guarantee that’s original Sahih Bukhari. No wonder lot of fake hadis & story. Monkey stoning monkey adultery story also inside Sahih Bukhari. One question, how muslim ibadat before Sahih Bukhari?

      2. Pedang,

        if hadith is not exact just because it was gathered and compiled by the human beings, what about Quran? if not mistaken, Quran also undergoing the same process — gathered and compiled by human being. explain please.

        1. Quran was compiled from who heard directly from Nabi. It just few yrs after Nabi passed away. It was verified by many persons who live during Nabi. Within few years Quran already compiled & the same version is remaining until now.

          Hadis was compiled by hearsay few hundreds yrs after Nabi. The person used his method to verify the hadis. At that time too many fake hadis. For example only less 1% of collected hadis included in Sahih Bukhari. This show hadis more close to fake than authentic.

          It is make sense if Quran is not 100% original. However in Quran itself God guarantee He will preserve the content. As muslim, must believe & apply it. If not, muslim may be worst than others.

          It up to person whether to believe or not. However you can test yourself the authentic of Quran whether any contradicts & inconsistency. Do not refer translation alone but try understanding the essence.

          Some current translation are not correct for examples: God ask Ibrahim to slaughter his son, thief hand cutting, Allah’s house, etc. Whatever not make sense is wrong translated or interpreted.

          I ever heard orientalist convert after studying Quran. But I never heard any person convert after reading hadis. In the other hand some person use hadis to film or cartoon insulting Nabi.

      3. Why are people questioning the hadith, which had been collected with great care by people who are much superior in intellect and faith than those of us here?

        Rasulullah SAW has left us the al-Qur’an and hadith. If we cannot accept his words, then who can we believe?

      4. Em, sy muslim. Ko hina aku kah? Atau ko cemburu. Dunia x kan maju klu bukan jasa imam bukhari dan iman2 lainnya. Kau x tau sejarah2 mereka jadi jngan soal pandai. Jesus x ajar kekerasan kepada orang2 kafir. Ko bukan pengikut nabi isa(yesus). Ko sombong mcm la syurga tu suda di janjikan untuk ko sorang je. Beramal la ko sorang je dengan pengikut2 mu. Jngan la ko kutuk org2 yg bukan seagama dngan mu. Klu kami yg berdosa pun kau ke yg knak azap api neraka nanti?

    4. Kalau ‘sola’ tuh bukan routine prayer maka apakah ia?

      Jika ‘sola’ adalah routine prayer maka macam mana keadaannya?

      Kenapa ummah Islam suka menyusahkan diri sendiri ingin menafsir perkara2 yang dah tetap, kenapa ingin mengubah pesepsi kita sebagai ummah Islam?

      Why reinvent the wheel when it is not broken?

      1. Quran say sola can prevent from despicable. Lot muslims pray 5 times but worst than non-muslims. Muslim worldwide champion for wrong things. That means pray 5 times is not sola.

        From the hadis story, lucky pray times can be bargained from 50 to 5. If not every 1/2 an hour, you have to pray. Do you know at Turkey, fatwa allows sunni muslims to pray just 3 times a day.
        http://islamopediaonline.org/news/turkey-fatwa-allows-sunni-muslims-pray-just-three-times-day

      2. Bro,

        Pleas answer this simple question, if ‘sola’ is a routine prayer than only based on Quran how the ritual would be and what would the ayah/dzikir to recite?

      3. “Innallaha wa malaaikatahu yusalluna ala an-nabi. Ya ayyuha al-lazina aamanu sallu alayihi wa sallimu tasleema”.

        “Verily, Allah and His Angels do the act of Salaat upon the
        Prophet. So, O believers, you too perform the act of Salaat
        upon him with submission and eagerness”. (Al-Ahzab 56)

        Above ayat mentioned Allah & malaikat also solat (yusalluna). We must do research what is the most exact meaning of sola.

      4. Pedang 18,

        not sure whether you have correct translation for surah al-Ahzab ayat 56 but here is the Malay translation (by Jakim) for the same verse:

        “Sesungguhnya Allah dan Malaikat-Nya bersalawat kepada Nabi; wahai orang yang beriman, bersalawatlah kamu kepadanya serta mohonkanlah kesejahteraan dengan sepenuh penghormatan.”

      5. Sola can be mentioned in many derivatives such as: sol-laa, sol-luu, sol-lee, mu-sol-lan, mu-sol-leen, yu-sol-laa, yu-sol-lee, yu-sol-luu, ya-sil-luu, solaa-ta, solaa-tee, solaa-tu, solaa-waa-tee, solaa-waa-tun. In 33.56 yusalluna = they sola. It is obviously not selawat. Anyway, how & why God need to selawat to His creature?

        In 6.102, no single word mention worship. It is added in bracket by the translator not in ayat itself. However the ayat mention ibadat. Ibadat & sembah is obviously differ. Whatever you do for Allah is ibadat. Sembah is different, for example people sembah batu in whatever way for just at that time or routine, this worship.

    5. Quite clear here Pedang is a’ Christter’ within the Dapster ranks . Now these clowns pretend to be Muslim . After Ravin/Azizs fiasco they now morph, from malay pretenders to muslim pretender, who’s googled islamic knolwedge is used to pretend as a muslim. Kah kah kah…..
      …………………… Easy to spot you clowns.

      1. Helen, it’s an amateurish attempt to disguise as a muslim by Pedang , The question is a malicious attack, hidden via question instead of a direct statement. If he/her/itself proclaim as muslim and that is true , then this the action is that of a Munafik.

      2. It is kafir menkafir when YOU can confirm that this clown is muslim la.
        ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

        Why lah you scold people like that? As I’ve said, he sounds like a Quranic to me. — Helen

    6. Pedang, kalau engkau kata engkau ni orang Islam, kenapa engkau memberi komen, pendapat dalam bahasa Inggeris ?

      Saya rasa kamu bukan orang Islam, seperti apa yang i.D.A kata, engkau ni orientalis, yang datang ke sini untuk menyesatkan akidah orang-orang Islam. Selalu saja orang-orang pembangkang yang bukan Islam, yang datang kat sini atau mana-mana blog lain, yang kata mereka ini orang Islam, tetapi sebaliknya, adalah orang bukan Islam. Kalau nak bohong, biarlah pandai, jangan buat macam orang amatur, amateur. Faham ?

      1. Islam never ask conservation must be in Malay. I just use simple words & easy to be understood. If you hard to catch it, better do not read it. Don’t burden yourself.

  2. Aku tak rasa kristian berminat langsung untuk mencampur aduk undang2 sivil dengan undang2 dalam Bible mereka atau menukar terus kepada undang2 Bible..

    Cik Helen mesti tahu akan hukuman2 yang termaktub di dalam Bible kan?

    Kepada yg tak arif boleh rujuk OutSyedTheBox

    1. Pengikut DAP sekarang sudah tidak lagi membantah pelaksanaan hudud malah ada juga yang menyokong.

      MCA masih menentang hudud. Ini bezanya MCA dan DAP.

    2. Please do not refer to OutSyedTheBox for those yang lemah iman. Its’s good to look at others’ perspective who are anti-hadith, but please do not swallow every single word.

      1. @baulu, you are right.

        @Khairul, brother, could we not send traffic to OTB? Yes, the truth needs to be spoken, if we send those with weak constitutions to drink from the poisoned well, how? Nanti tak pasal2 kita pulak syubahat.

        Respectfully, SoG.

  3. I don’t think anybody here memperolokkan agama kristian. Tapi memang kita akan kerjakan #Pakatoons yang membawa gejala #Bebalisme.

  4. harap harap orang Kritistian DAP jangan jadi Kristian dimuka (surface Christian) saja, tapi mengamalkan ajaran Nabi Isa sepenuhnya… tak makan babi, bersunat dan melaksanakan hukum hudud seperti orang Yahudi..

    orang Islam kat Malaysia mungkin akan menerima mereka sebagai `people of the book` seperti yang dinyatakan dalam Alquran. Perlu juga orang Kristian ingat yang Nabi Isa tidak dihantar untuk orang orang bukan Yahudi seperti yang dinyatakan oleh kitab Injil.

  5. Kita orang Islam boleh kawin Ahlul Kitab ( Yahud dan Nasran ). Apa nak susah2. Kalau tak boleh kawin di Malaysia, pergi Indonesia kawin atau ke Egypt.

    Sembahyang untuk diri kita, untuk kenyamanan ‘soul’ kita, bukan untuk tuhan. Semua orang tak sembahyang pun, Tuhan tak jejas sedikit pun. Carilah kenyamanan di dunia ini

    moya

    1. Minta maaf mencelah, tetapi mmg manusia dan jin di cipta Allah untuk menyembahNya seperti mana firmanNya di Surah Adh-Dhariyat ayat 56 ‘ Dan (ingatlah) Aku tidak menciptakan jin dan manusia melainkan untuk mereka menyembah dan beribadat kepadaKu.’

      1. Wama qolaq-tul jin-ni wal-ain-sa il-laa li-ya’budun. (51:56)
        And I did not create the jinn and the humans except for serving Me. (51:56)

        We are created to serve, not to worship. We have been created in the grand design to serve by deeds (and not merely by thoughts or words). The misrepresentation of the word serve (ta’budu) to mean worship has had a dire effect on the Islamic landscape.

        The word ‘serve’ ta’budu or ya’budun is derived from the word ‘abd’ which means servant (and not worship). All humans are servants of God. Therefore they have to serve and consented themselves (sujud) to Him alone.

      2. Pedang,

        First of all, please stop transliterating. It serves no purpose here. The surah and verse number, together with the translation, should suffice.

        Secondly, while verse 51:56 (Surah Az-Zariyat, verse 56) did indeed say we are to “serve” God, how exactly are we supposed to serve God? Send Him a cheque every month? Send Him flowers, maybe dedicate songs to Him on the radio?

        Please open the al-Qur’an, surah Al-An’am ayat 102 (6:102), “That is Allah, your Lord! there is no god but He, the Creator of all things: then worship ye Him: and He hath power to dispose of all affairs.”

        For those who prefer to read in Malay, “Yang demikian (sifat-sifatNya dan kekuasaanNya) ialah Allah Tuhan kamu, tiada Tuhan (yang berhak disembah) melainkan Dia, yang menciptakan tiap-tiap sesuatu, maka beribadatlah kamu kepadaNya. Dan (ingatlah) Dia lah yang mentadbirkan segala-galanya.”

        The directive to worship God is clear. Please do not play around with the commands of Allah SWT.

    2. In 6.102, no single word mention worship. It is added in bracket (in Malay) by the translator not in ayat itself. Your translate pa’budu in English as worship but ibadat in Malay. Ibadat & worship is obviously differ. Whatever you do for Allah is ibadat. Sembah is different, for example people sembah batu in whatever way for just at that time or routine, this worship.

      1. I give to you the translation of “Ibadat” as given by the Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka, which, in case you didn’t know, is the final authority on the Malay language.

        worship 2. the act of showing this, ibadat: they joined together in ~, mereka bersama-sama beribadat; Kamus Inggeris-Melayu Dewan

        Here, knock yourself out at the source: http://prpm.dbp.gov.my/Search.aspx?k=ibadat

        Either your Malay is so poor that you do not even realize the meaning of ibadat, or you’re just a typical “penyesat kaum”. I know the word penyesat might not be canon, but the meaning is clear and suitable here.

        So which is it? Are you ignorant, or penyesat?

      2. From the DBP http://prpm.dbp.gov.my/Search.aspx?k=ibadat

        ibadat
        Ar bakti (khidmat) kpd Tuhan, perbuatan dan amalan yg dilakukan sbg bakti kpd atau kerana Tuhan (spt sembahyang, berdoa, bersedekah, berbuat baik sesama manusia, dll): dia berdoa supaya semua ~nya diterima Tuhan; ahli ~ orang yg membuat ibadat; beribadat berbuat ibadat, menunaikan suruhan agama: gadis itu taat ~ dan mengasihi kedua-dua ibu bapanya; mengibadatkan menjadikan sesuatu sbg ibadat; peribadatan 1. keseluruhan perbuatan dan amalan ibadat yg dilakukan kerana Tuhan; 2. hal berkaitan dgn mengerjakan ibadat: dlm seluruh ~, keikhlasan menjadi sari pati yg amat dikehendaki.

        This is obviously show ibadat is not worship, but worship can be considered as ibadat. That means ayat 6.102 do not mention anything about worship. Your point here is useless. Can you bring other proof?

        Also from the definition, ibadat means serve to God. Previously you ask how to serve God whether send Him a cheque every month, send Him flowers, maybe dedicate songs to Him on the radio? Now I hope you already know how to serve God.

  6. kawin dgn people of the book ni utk org lelaki je. Bab hadis tapi tidak dinafikan ada yg dhoif, tp hadis tetap diguna pakai selepas nabi wafat, iaitu sunnahnya oleh para sahabat, apa yg nabi sebut dan buat, sahabat buat. jadi buat apa bantah, nabi solat 5 waktu, sahabat2 solat 5 waktu, baru2 ini je org pertikai jadi 3 waktu oleh anti hadis.

    Puak Khawarij pun solat 5 waktu, tp boleh jamak asalkan tak nampak bumbung rumah.

  7. Ramainya manusia mengaku Muslim tetapi sebenarnya bukan..

    Kepada yang terasa aku berdoa semoga Allah Subhana Wa Ta’ala memberi hidayah kepada anda dan Cik Helen sekali..

    1. If anybody have differ view from you, there is not means he/she is bukan muslim or kafir. Only God can judge, not you. Quran forbid us to accuse others like that. Muslim must be matured in arguments. If we can not answer, there may 2 possibilities either we lack of knowledge or we got the wrong teaching or interpretation.

      1. To you what you believed, to me what I believed, I will not follow your sense of argument and I really don’t mind if you disagree with mine..

        The main reason why Allah SWT sent His Messengers among man is because for every act, deeds, etc.. be followed by others..

        If you have problem with Hadith, then you should reject all histories in the world, because those histories gathered/accounted by mere human being.. for your information, even Al-Quran compiled into book/kitab by mere human being Uthman ibn Affan (ra)..

        Since, you have failed to give a sound answer to what does ‘sola’ mean than we have no more things to discuss!

      2. Yes, Allah is the ultimate judge.

        However, God also gave each of us a brain so that we could think and analyse for ourselves the facts before us, and come to a conclusion. Some people would describe this process as “to judge”.

        Yes, Muslims must be matured in arguments. But choosing to highlight one ayat while ignoring another is not “being matured”.

        Itu menyeleweng.

  8. when a political party has nothing to offer or has not done anything worthwhile for rakyat’s benefit hence having a poor report card on its service track record,

    a) they will either attack the opponents as a distraction to hide its weakness or

    b) fall back on religion or fanaticism where the followers or cult are prone to just follow and not question anything at all. This is the easiest strategy. We have seen many such tactics done worldwide

  9. Pedang is a typical argumentative anti hadis follower.

    They claim to be Muslim but have no iman i.e. no faith to Muhammad, after life, etc.

    1. Irshad manji also declared herself muslim and lesbian at the same time..maybe pedang is in the same ship, i mean muslim, not lesbian.

    2. To embrace Allah SWT but reject Rasulullah SAW, the human messenger who brought us the completed commandments of Allah SWT, is stupid beyond belief.

    3. If any contra Quran & hadis, we must choose Quran. For example: hadis said Nabi married 6 years girl. We must reject it because contra to Quran. Muslim can not say love Nabi but at the same they spread fitnah (fake hadis) on Nabi.

      1. Pedang, have you understood why quran is preserve in it original language? It is for people like you who is confused as to what the choice of words in the translation of a verse.

        “Lost in translation” should take new meaning for you.

        Your ‘literal’ methodlogy of ‘tafsiring’ the quran ala the Bible quoting Dapster, only drive me to the conclusion that you are a non muslim pretending to be a muslim.

        My suggestion for you to look up ”Yusof Estes” in youtube or google him. Listen to this former Christian preacher talk his reason and journey in to islam , may you receive ‘Hidyah’ from it.

      2. You are welcome to challenge my points. Kindly show your points. Do you have degree “How to guess whether muslim or non-muslim”?

  10. sepatutnya posting Helen ni bertajuk – Amaran “jangan memperolok-olokkan agama Kristian”, tapi ada yang bawa ke laut jadi persoalan lain tentang Islam, Quran dan Hadis… hemmm…

    ikutlah akal, sains, logik, khawarij, syiah atau anti hadis jika anda mau. bagi aku yang lain kami ikut apa kami mau… teruskan mencabar dan mencabar… jika itu memuaskan nafsumu. Tuhan memilih penerima hidayah-Nya.

    semoga kita semua mendapat hidayah-Nya. Amin!

    1. Because most muslim believe & do certain practice are actually from Bible not from Quran. Examples: tudung janggut jubah serban. Quran never mention these. Lucky no hadis tell to keep head hair.

  11. Amaran “jangan memperolok-olokkan agama Kristian”

    Oh ya ke ? mereka tak ada masalah menyindir orang-orang Islam, lihat Ngeh Khoo Ham dan Nga Kor Ming. tapi apabila seseorang seperti Helen Ang menulis wacana mengenai agama Kristian dan orang-orang Nasrani, mereka mengeluarkan kenyataan yang berbau ugutan.

    saya rasa, majoriti pembaca blog ni, dah kenal sangat dengan perangai orang-orang pembangkang. Mereka ni umpama petty thieves. cakap besar saja, tapi tak ada action. suka-suka datang ke sini, ke sana, buat ugutan, buat hasutan.

    1. ngeh-ngeh-ngeh (gelak) where got coffee needs halal cert. got meh? kopi only ma… katanya. dangkal betui. abih tu yg colgate ada halal jakim tu menatang apa? mana ada org telan colgate. hapara sub-species *cina bukit* betui dia ni. boikot!

      *cina tak bercampur dengan bangsa lain*.

  12. Thanks for posting my question here, Helen. Imagine an atheist hoping to become US president! He’d be out the first round. Religion and politics, what a cocktail to give you permanent hangover, nay, migraine.

  13. When some muslim question on Islam, another muslim hukum them as murtad, become non-muslim. When non-muslim question on Islam, another muslim say non-muslim can not question on Islam. They think they smart can run away from the question but actually they stupid because do not know to answer the question.

  14. Saudara/i,

    kitab-kitab Taurat, Zabur, Injil dan terakhir iaitu al-Kuran adalah diperturunkan kepada para nabi-nabi untuk diterjemahkan, dihafal dan diaplikasikan oleh seluruh manusia.

    Oleh kerana kitab-kitab ini bukan dikarang oleh manusia makanya hanya para nabi yang dipilih sebagai menerimanya yang dianggap layak dan mampu menterjemahkan dan menghayatinya secara tepat.

    Apabila manusia biasa (bukan nabi) cuba menterjemahkannya, kemungkinannya ialah terjemahan berkenaan tidak tepat 100%. Ketidak tepatan ini menjurus kepada kitab-kitab terdahulu berada dalam berbagai versi kecuali al-Kuran versi Arab.

    Dalam konteks al-Kuran untuk dihayati, semestinyalah Nabi Muhammad SAW satu-satunya manusia yang mampu menghayati setiap satu arahan yang terkandung di dalamnya.

    Justeru, dalam aspek pemahaman dan pempraktisan, manusia biasa tidak ada pilihan terbaik melainkan merujuk kepada keperibadian dan amalan Nabi Muhammad SAW — sunah.

    Mungkin ada sunah yang tidak tepat, ditokok-tambah atau rekaan semata-mata, tetapi semua itu sepatutnya boleh ditapis dan ditepis dengan menggunakan akal yang bernas.

    Kalau ada keterkilanan dalam aspek sunah yang benar dan palsu ialah kegagalan institusi pengajian agama di Timur Tengah untuk bekerjasama dalam mengkaji dan menyaring kesemua sunah dan seterusnya melahirkan hanya satu versi terbaik untuk kegunaan manusia sejagat.

    Apapun, biar terlambat daripada tidak ada langsung. Makanya, kalau usaha ke arah melahirkan sunah versi universal dibuat sekarang ketepatannya mungkin tidak 100% tetapi sudah tentu jauh lebih tepat kalau ianya dibuat 1000 tahun dari sekarang.

    1. The problem now fake hadis or story still remain in which called Sahih. Not little but too many. Monkeys stoning monkey adultery also inside. Authentic with fake is like water with shit. Most muslim have to drink it. If not they will be accused as murtad, etc. Some of them believe other books more than Quran. More worse, some Quran interpretation is inaccurate. As result, muslim worldwide now are too sick. They fight & kill each other. Doom.

      1. Pedang, the abhorrence means nothing when we don’t recognize the truth and reality amongst us minus religion. This song by AR Rahman [YouTube] is a classic example. I know it is Tamil, so what if it is real. Does that make you feel less?. We don’t need religion, we need to humanity & humanity to enhance each other. Whatever happened to your Jawi?

      2. Islam is no religion but deen. If you find some abhorrence element in Quran translation, it caused by wrong interpretation.

        Indeed, the deen by God is Islam. (3:19)

        Religion is a system detached from God’s prescribed way of life – or the deen-nil-lah. Religion was created by humans for people to devote themselves to a common entity like – but not limited to – physical entities made from wood, stone, rock, metal or anything tangible. People serve these idols or icons by worshipping them through prayers and religious rites which eventually evolve to become institutionalised and regulated religious obligations.

        The deen is the order in the system conceived by the All-knowing, which allows people to devote themselves to the one, unseen God through His providence sanctioned in His Scriptures. True adherents to this system serve God by committing themselves to do the deeds required by Him in His system so that they can achieve the peacefulness in this world. These obligations require self-sacrifice but are free of the dogmatic practice of ritualised worship or rites. Men and women who believe in God, the final day and observe virtuousness in this life are called Muslims or those who are at peace. Muslim is not a label but it is the state of being of a person who enjoys peacefulness.

      3. Pedang,

        It is interesting to note that when you refer to Muslims, you say “they”.

        Muslims tend to use “we”.

        And I find it interesting that you never challenged anyone who said that you are non-Muslim.

        Looking at your language, among other things, I am more and more convinced that you are actually a non-Muslim.

        Do you have the guts to admit that much?

      4. Normally who accuse other as kafir or munafik due to they fail to answer, so they try cover up their disgrace. 1st posting I used we. Your points (regarding ayat 51:56 & 6:102) defeated. You are advised to take a rest & study before give your points. If not, you will remain as loser.
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        Sorry for delayed moderation. For some unknown reason your comment got misdirected to the Spam queue where I just retrieved. — Helen

      5. Defeated? Hahahaha

        I was out with my family the whole day.

        Don’t worry, I will anwer you tomorrow.

        By the way, you sound absolutely juvenile in declaring your own victory.

  15. It is very interesting exchange from our muslimat brothers & sisters. I was just wondering whatever happen to Jawi, I remember having this as a lesson in primary school which I attended. i still remember them with its alif, ba ta.

    It is funny these days our opposition leaders come out with Wahhabi Arabic verses in their speeches as oppose to Jawi. I think Jawi was a genuine attempt for the Malay Nusantara folks who adhered to Islam based on their surrounding amongst the others rather than one dictated by Wahhabis. I think only Brunei practices it now. Just curious. Any comments on this.

    My fellow Malaysians, I am not questioning your religion, but need an understanding why Wahhabis has spread so wide in Malaysia that everyone is so gung ho about it without any reference to Jawi as a lingua franca in our region for the Muslims.

    1. MinNY look up Yusof Estes on the net he has a video clip explaining Wahhabism , you will be surprise. i can remember the link.

      1. Thanks kpee. i did check him out, he is a Wahhabi. Now question? Why many venerated sites associated with Islam such as mazaars, mausoluems were destroyed in Saudi in early 19th century by the Wahhabi? Why other Sunni and Shia followers were against it? Is this Arab nationalism or an Islamic agenda?

        What about our very own Ayah Pin? I understand many teachings can evolve from Islam with the change of time and the environment similar to the Christians as well with Catholic, Protestant, lutheran, anglican, presbyterian etc (yet united), but why is the Wahhabi helping the killing of the Shias’ in Lebanon & Palestine indirectly through Saudi Arabia, the land of Wahhabi?

      2. MyiNY, answer to your first questio is no and yes.

        Wahnabi is a label , not a sect . To explain it is a little complex for me but here goes.

        There is a book written by a person call Wahab some time ago, if i am not mistaken called “Al Izhar”. In this book, he put out the view on the need to avoid “bidaah” and “krurafat” practice among the Muslim .

        Islam forbid the practice of offering prayer at ‘holy graves ‘ or ‘holy places’ such practice are “kurafaat” . This to prevent this non Islamic practice from creeping into the religion as norm.

        Thus in Mecca the removal of mausoleums and grave are carried when need or necessary for the expansion and also to prevent this “kurafaat’ act to perpetuate .

        Thus if you follow the practice of the Prophet (S.A.W),and prevent ‘Bidaah and Kurafaat’ practice,then you are just a Muslim and not a “wahabi”, this just a label put on to you.

        So either there is no Wahabbi’s or all muslim who follow the Prophet is a Wahabi by default.

        In the end,Only Allah know best.

        My suggestion to go to ‘IslamToday’ site for more info on Islam. It is very comprehensive info for non-muslim who wishes to know more and also for Muslim to learn .

  16. Here is my answer to Pedang.

    One point which made me pause was Pedang’s transliteration of a phrase in 6:102. He used “pa’budu”. Pedang, either you are an apostate (pemurtad) whose regression has caused you to lose the ability to properly recite the al-Qur’an, or you were never a Muslim in the first place. No Muslim would recite it as “pa’budu”. It’s read “fa’budu”.

    Another thing our so-called scholar Pedang says that there is no word mentioning worship in 6:102. That’s odd, because in my four copies of the translation of the al-Qur’an, none of them has a parentheses in the translation of 6:102. All of them says sembah, sembah, worship, and sembah. In case you were wondering, the “worship” was from Abdullah Yusuff Ali.

    That made me curious. How many al-Qur’an translations out there has the word worship in parentheses? So I checked 10 online versions of the al-Qur’an, in English and Malay. Guess what? Each one of the English ones said “worship” for “fa’budu” in 6:102, (except Pickthall who used ‘serve’, but a note on that later), while the Malay ones said “beribadat”. I will provide the links and notes below.

    It should be clear by now that worship = beribadat = menyembah.

    It should also be clear that Pedang is a liar. Helen, please stop referring to him as a Qur’anic.

    Pedang, please turn in your al-Qur’an to a nearby mosque so that it could be disposed of properly. It is a falsified copy. If you referred to an online version, please give me the link so that I can attempt to do something about it. As it is, your entire claim of there not being a word calling Muslims to worship God in 6:102 is completely false. I suspect you fabricated your entire claim.

    But, we’ve gone this far, let’s look at what else Pedang said. I find his sentence “Whatever you do for Allah is ibadat. Sembah is different, for example people sembah batu in whatever way for just at that time or routine, this worship.” very interesting.

    The first part enforces my suspicion that Pedang is not a Muslim. Pedang doesn’t even know the existence of ibadat khusus and ibadat umum. He betrays this ignorance by saying “whatever you do for Allah is ibadat”. Seriously, this is SRP/PMR stuff. How can anyone who wants to lecture about Islam not bring this up? It is so basic. So Pedang, you are either really ignorant about Islam, or you are just lying? Which is it?

    In the second part, where he says “Sembah is different, for example people sembah batu in whatever way for just at that time or routine, this worship.” He gives the example of people worshipping rocks. He is playing with words, saying that this worship is not equal to ibadat. He says that “pa’budu” (he even got the transliteration wrong) actually means ibadat, but not worship. Is this true?

    Well, let’s look at the facts. Pedang says that worship of stones is “sembah”. The al-Qur’an has a lot to say about people who worshipped rocks and trees. Let’s see the list:

    – Al-A’raf, verse 70. (7:70) There are two mentions of worship in this sentence. The first one is “lina’buda”, while the second word is “ya’budu”

    – Hud, verse 87. (11:87) The word is “ya’budu”

    – Hud, verse 109. (11:109) This verse also mention worship three times. All three words are “ya’budu”

    – Ibrahim, verse 10. (14:10) The word is “ya’budu”

    – As-Saffat, verse 95. (37:95) The word is “ta’budu”

    Well, that’s all and good, you say, but these examples are about the worship practices of jahiliyah people. Is there a commandment from Allah SWT in the al-Qur’an enjoining us to worship Him, using any of the words we’ve discovered so far?

    In surah al-Israa’ verse 23, there it is. (17:23) The word is “ta’budu”, and the first part of the verse means “Thy Lord hath decreed that ye worship none but Him, and that ye be kind to parents.” Masya Allah.

    There is more, but I would rather that you, the reader, go verify my claims for yourself. When clicking on the references I have provided, do be careful about the verse numbering for one of them, see where I had indicated. Please see my inline notes following each reference below.

    So, what can we conclude here? Simple. “Worship” means the same as “serve”. “Worship” = “sembah” = “ibadat (khusus)”. It’s obvious that Pedang only took the narrow definition of the word while conveniently ignoring the clear meaning.

    In other words, the al-Qur’an did instruct Muslims to worship Allah SWT, and that Pedang is lying. Again.

    Then, there’s the matter of Pedang’s focus on the verse 33:56. He talks about how the Arabic words are all about derivatives. Poor Pedang is out of his depth. He does not realize that he is thinking of “solat”, the basic Arabic word is al-solat, spelled alif-lam-sod-lamAlif-ta. 33:56 clearly spelled out “selawat”, which is spelled alif-lam-sod-wau-alif-ta. “Selawat” means “pujian”, or “praise”.

    Finally, I would like to say that while I do not have a degree in identifying whether a person online is Muslim or non-Muslim, you apalling ignorance about Islam really speaks volumes. Either you are truly a non-Muslim who wants to sow confusion among Muslims (which makes you my enemy), or you are a hypocritical Muslim or an outright apostate who uses his (or her) ignorance as an excuse to insult the religion while at the same time using that ignorance to come up with excuses so that you don’t have to perform the duties enjoined on you by Islam. This also makes you my enemy, Masya Allah, you have no idea.

    If you have anything else to say, Pedang, please do so if you are shameless. I have already proven that you are a liar who uses poor resources.

    But then, if you’re anything like Ravin/Aziz, we shall certainly hear more of you.

    ====List of online translations of al-Qur’an====
    1. http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?submitCh=Read+from+verse%3A&ch=6&verse=102 [this version includes the basmallah as the first ayat of every chapter, so our 6:102 becomes 6:103]

    2. http://www.oneummah.net/quran/book/6.html

    3. http://www.dar-us-salam.com/TheNobleQuran/index.html

    4. http://www.englishtafsir.com/Quran/6/index.html [for some reason, this resource for surah As-Saffat stops at verse 94. This is obviously an error, as the verse is 182 verses long]

    5. http://quran.al-islam.org/ [this one uses an app of some kind, so have to look for the ayat]

    6. http://www.alquran-english.com/6-al-an-am/ [this one is interesting because it gives the work of three translators, Abdullah Yusuf Ali, Muhammad Pickthall, and M.H. Shakir, together. Only Shakir says “serve” in his translations, and I have something to say about that: If you go to 7:70, you will see that Shakir uses “serve” whenever he means to say “worship”. Then, if you go to 11:87, you will see that although Shakir translated the Arabic word “ya’budu” as “serve” in 7:70, in 11:87 he translates the same word “ya’budu” as “worship”. In 11:109 he translates all three instances for “ya’budu” as “worship”. This settles the argument of whether “serve” and “worship” is different. These words means the same, in this context. See for yourself.]

    7. http://www.surah.my/6 [Here, “worship” = “sembah” for 7:70, 11:87, 11:109, 14:10 and 37:95. However, for 6:102, “fa’budu” is translated as “beribadat”]

    8. http://www.iium.edu.my/deed/quran/malay/ [Here, “worship” = “sembah” for 7:70, 11:87, 11:109, 14:10 and 37:95. However, for 6:102, “fa’budu” is translated as “beribadat”. ]

    9. http://www.alquran-melayu.com/6-al-an-am/ [Here, “worship” = “sembah” for 7:70, 11:87, 11:109, 14:10 and 37:95. However, for 6:102, “fa’budu” is translated as “beribadat”]

    10. http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/ [again, this resource describes the interchangeability of the words “serve” and “worship”. In 7:70, it translates “lina’budu” as “serve”, and then translates “ya’budu” as “worship”. Then in 11:87 and in other places, this resource agains translates “ya’budu” as “worship”.

    All the English online translations above translate “fa’budu” in 6:102 as “worship”, and Shakir uses “serve” interchangeably with “worship”.

    When you have three sources say “worship” = “sembah” for 7:70, 11:87, 11:109, 14:10 and 37:95, and then for 6:102, “fa’budu” is translated as “beribadat”, it is clear as day, isn’t it? “Worship” = “sembah” = “beribadat”.

    1. Correction on : “This is obviously an error, as the verse is 182 verses long]”

      I meant that the Surah is 182 verses long.

    2. Great job SoG!

      I have stopped replying to pedang since he can’t give a definitive answer to the word Solat and dare enough to asked us to do research.. apa punya nutcase..

      1. MiNY,

        The YouTube video you linked “contains content from Sony Pictures, who has blocked it in your country [Malaysia] on copyright grounds”.

        Helen

      2. Thanks, Khairul.

        Dia suh kita buat research, kita buat laa kan. Padan muka dia.

        Tapi laa ni nak susun balik buku.. adoii.. bookshelf ada 3, masih tak cukup. Nak letak mana? :P

      3. Sometimes we find new thing that we dont know the name. For example we see cow with head like you. We can not call it cow or your name. Temporary call it as cowrul. Sweet name.

    3. tu dia… kan dari hari itu saya udah bilang… pedang ini non-muslim, masak solat dan selawat pun keliru…makasih ya pak SOG udah susah payah mencerahkan kembali semuanya. u da best bro. :)

    4. Basic rule in Quran understanding is word meanings consistency. If we find any inconsistency or contradicts each other, the translation or interpretation is most probably inaccurate.

      Word assolah is derived from the root so-la. 33.56 have 2 derivatives from the root so-la: yu-so-lu-na & so-lu. 2.43 has 1 word from the root so-la (wa-aqimus sol-laa-ta wa-atuz zakaa)(and establish sola & give zaka & bow with those who bow). If you use selawat in 2.43, it become “dirikan selawat & keluarkan zakat”. Strange. You can not use same word with differ meaning. God not need praise His creation. It not make sense.

    5. Which one more appropriate for the meaning of ibadat in Quran whether serve or worship.

      My view on ibadat never change. As I mentioned ibadat is not worship but worship can be considered as ibadat. Refer previous posting.

      Previously you give DBP link. But it just strengthen my point. Actually you already killed yourself too early. http://prpm.dbp.gov.my/Search.aspx?k=ibadat

      After dead you depend on other links try to show you are still alive. I help you by add some translations. http://www.quranix.net

      As I said previously whatever you do for Allah is ibadat (serve). Before that you ever ask how to serve God whether send Him a cheque every month, send Him flowers, maybe dedicate songs to Him on the radio? You claim ibadat = worship.

      Ama qolaq-tul jin-ni wal-ain-sa il-laa li-ya’budun. (And I did not create the jinn and the humans except for serving Me.) (51:56)

      You have to worship whole life if yabudu = worship. You say worship = sembah = ibadat (khusus). Can you do ibadat (khusus) 24 hours?

      You can test yourself by using serve & worship in related Quran verses. You will find serve is more appropriate.

      Worship & serve (ibadat) are differ, can not be the same. Can we consider helping the poor as worship (sembah)? Can we call working as worship (sembah)? Can we say sex with wife as worship (sembah)? All exactly not. Finish. So easy.

      It is no harm if you admit ibadat (serve) is not worship but worship can be ibadat (serve). Not need to declare here. It is not for me but for your own good.

      If you still not sure, the word ‘serve’ ta’budu or ya’budun is derived from the word ‘abd which means servant and not worship.

      1. You poor man (or woman). You still do not know what is ibadat khusus and umum, yet you want to argue here. You do not know what is ibadat khusus and ibadat umum and yet you want to question how are we supposed to pray for 24 hours.

        You stupid, jahil and arrogant man.

        If you are really a Muslim, you will know in the first rakaat of your prayer, before your Fatihah, there is a dua. One of the verses begins with “Inna …”

        You cannot even understand the meaning of that verse, yet you want to talk about Islam. You say I’m dead, you win, but you do not even address that verse.

        You are just a disbeliever, who claims to believe.

      2. servant of god (SoG) tak payah buang masa dengan Malaun seko ni. semua orang dah nampak dia dah sesat. You dah cuba tolong, tak payah buang masa dengan seko ni. biar dia melalak sorang tak payah layan.

        1. setuju. SoG takyah ambik port. mmg dah laknatullah malaun sekoq tu. biaq pi kat dia. nyamuk memang akan sentiasa berbunyi…nge nge nge, irritating it is but, mosquito only ma…

      3. of course we as the servants of god needs to serve our Creator but the question is: how to serve our Creator? If we don’t follow sunah then how? are we going to invent a new one?

        1. Follow Nabi is sunah & Nabi followed Quran. Follow Quran means you follow what Nabi did.

          God ask to do good deeds. We have to do good deeds. Do good deeds is our serve to God.

  17. Helen, I sent a very long reply for Pedang. I will be very upset if it doesn’t appear. Please contact me if you have problems viewing it.

    Thanks.

    1. Oh. Perhaps due to its length it got diverted to Spam. I’ll check now and I’ll need to tweak the Comments setting then. If I remember aright, I set it at 800 words. You might have exceeded.
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      Updated: I remembered a-wrong, apparently. (1.52pm)

    1. Another block was that you included too many links which the system usually diagnoses as spam. I’ll adjust the url setting as well :)

  18. Agak ‘common’ bila membaca komen tentang muslim, menghala kepada muslim championing all problems that happen in this world secara negatif, kahwin ramai dan guna pedang.

    tapi tiada fakta tepat. Berapa ramai muslim yang drunkers? smokers? gambles? sodomers? etc??
    berapa ramai muslim yang kahwin lebih sari satu? bagaimana Al Quran menekankan bahawa jika tidak mampu berlaku adil, KAHWIN HANYA SATU?

    Senjata zaman silam adalah pedang, jadi dengan pedanglah Islam mempertahankan kesucian agama dan tanah air. Tentulah sekarang tak guna pedang, tapi senjata yang lebih canggih.

    Tetapi kenapa tiada pulak yang berani melawak kenapa US guna missile, nuclear dan sebagainya untuk menakutkan dunia? ianya lebih dasyat dari pedang, tapi muslim jugak yang dipertikai.

    Muslim mengamok seluruh dunia kerana di hina, macam macam komen, ada yang sanggup mengatakan muslim ada masalah jiwa, tapi bila US mengamok pada Iraq, habis ratusan ribu rakyat Iraq, tidak pula dikatakan US bermasalah jiwa, kesimpulan, apa yang muslim buat salah, apa yang non muslim buat bersebab dan munasabah. US dan Israel masih meroyan dengan Iran pasal Nuclear….. sambung nanti

    1. Yahudi dan nazrani termasuk agama lain ingin hapus kan umat islam. Mcm la agama islam je yg pgang pedang untuk berperang dulu. Agama kristian dan agama lain tu x? Jadi jngan nak cari kesalahan org je. Walau islam tidak serang us tapi islam tetap berkembang di us. Dan di rusia cina, jepun, dan negara2x lainnya. Adakah kerana berperang? Jawapannya tidak. Sama juga zaman dulu. Diorang masuk islam krana hati.

  19. Salam …

    KAMI UMMAT MUSLIM PERCAYA SEPENUHNYA BAHWA ISA ADALAH UTUSAN ALLAH YANG LAHIR DARI IBU MARYAM YANG BEGITU SUCI, DENGAN MEMBAWA KITAB INJIL DAN BERBAGAI MACAM MUKJIZAT, NABI YANG MENGAJARKAN TUHAN ITU SATU (ALLAH) DAN AJARAN YANG BAIK LAINNYA, TAPI MENGAPA YAHUDI/NASRANI/KATOLIK/KRISTEN TIDAK MAU BERSAKSI-PERCAYA BAHWA MUHAMMAD UTUSAN ALLAH YANG DATANG SETELAH ISA SEBAGAI PENUTUP PARA NABI???

    KEBENARAN TENTANG MUHAMMAD SELALU DITUTUPI, PADAHAL KAMI SELALU MENYAMPAIKAN KEBAIKAN ISA KEPADA SIAPAPUN DAN AGAMA APAPUN …

    Wassalam ..

  20. Kepada muslim, apa gunanya anda sulat 5x sehari jungkir balik, tetapi hati anda beriman pada kebencian pada umat yang lain,

    Kelihatan ibadah anda muslim dimata manusia suci dalam rukum agama islam, tetapi sebenarnya anda sebagai seorang menafik yang beragama. Seperti kubur berabur putih, tetapi didalamnya tulang-tulang orang mati.

    Lihat di Timur Tengah dengan teriakan Allahuákbaaaar lalu membunuh sesama muslim melakukan perkosaan dimukah suaminya. Dan segala sesuatu yang kami lihat, sama seperti apa yang Muhammad lakukan di Khaybar dan Medinah ?
    Sejarah tertua biagrafi Muhammad.

    Apakah ini agama ciptaan Allah swt atau agama yang berlatar belakang politik ciptaan nabi Muhammad.

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