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BM: bahasa Melayu atau bahasa Malaysia?

Merujuk kepada rencana ‘Speak Malay, PM tells Chinese community’.

Komen oleh seorang bergelar ‘Nihatkahveci’ (screenshot bawah) – yang mengatakan sesetengah warga Malaysia masih tidak fasih bertutur bahasa kebangsaan – telah ditanda dengan 275 ‘thumbs down’ oleh para pembaca The Malaysian Insider.

Sementara itu, ‘JimmyKL11’ yang cakap berlapik mengatakan kadangkala orang Cina lagi pandai BM berbanding orang Melayu telah ditelan bulat-bulat oleh pembaca TMI yang memangkah komennya dengan +511 tanda setuju.

Untuk mengetahui pendapat kaum Cina secara umumnya terhadap saranan Perdana Menteri (yang disalah-ertikan oleh beberapa mereka), boleh baca maklum balas di Malaysia Today dan juga di TMI.

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124 thoughts on “BM: bahasa Melayu atau bahasa Malaysia?

  1. Kak Helen,

    kalau setiap parti gunakan bahasa ‘rasmi’ yang berbeza antara satu sama lain, maka, bahasa apa yang akan digunapakai dalam mesyuarat bulanan kabinet bayangan?

    kalau A guna bahasa Arab, B guna bahasa Inggeris dan C guna bahasa rojak, apakah akan ada penterjemah untuk memastikan mesyuarat kabinet bayangan berjalan lancar tanpa adanya jurang komunikasi?

    dan kalau penterjemah akan digajikan, berapakah bilangan yang diperlukan? kalau bilangannya ramai, dapatkah Stadium Melawati menampungnya? OMG!

  2. Bahasa Melayu adalah sama juga dengan Bahasa Malaysia dan malah digelar juga sebagai Bahasa Kebangsaan , ketiga-tiganya adalah sama . Sebenarnya terlalu melebih-lebih jika mengatakan bukan Melayu lebih pandai berbahasa Melayu dari orang Melayu sendiri . Dan kita tak boleh mengukur sesuatu antara kayu dan batu .

    Untuk mendapatkan pendapat mengenai perkara ini melalui pembaca malaysia Today dan juga TMI adalah perkara yang menarik , ini adalah media yang ‘menyalak macam anjing’ mengenai kebebasan akhbar tapi mereka sendiri akan menapis segala komen yang pro BN .

    Lebih menarik dan penuh hipokrit mereka mengatakan Bahasa Inggeris adalah penting dan dalam masa yang sama mereka menyanjung sesiapa yang menyokong Pakatan termasuk Samad Said yang menentang penggunaan Bahasa Inggeris di sekolah-sekolah dan pernah demontrasi bersama pemimpin Pakatan menentang penggunaan Bahasa Inggeris , agak ironik dan lucu , melihat betapa cetek dan dungunya pemikiran pembaca di Malaysia Today dan TMI .

  3. Inilah akibatnya pabila nama ‘Bahasa Melayu’ pun di ‘bastardised’ oleh ahli politik..

  4. penentangan dari pihak pro PR terlebih-lebih dapster bukanlah sesuatu yang aneh. ini memang sudah boleh dijangka. sebenarnya puak dapster lebih rela menukar bahasa rasmi kepada bahasa inggeris (dasar pandang ke temasik).

    persatuan dong zong tersilap percaturan jika menyokong dap kerana bahasa mandarin tetap jadi bahasa kedua selepas bahasa inggeris bila mereka berjaya merampas tampuk pemerintahan….

    ‘thumbs up’ ‘thumbs down’

  5. Mereka yg memberi komen di MT cuma hidup dalam penafian jikalau mereka fikir bahawa etnik Cina dan India di Malaysia boleh bertutur BM dgn baik, atau lebih baik dari Melayu. Hakikatnya majoriti masih “kantoi” atau “berterabur” apabila bercakap dalam Bahasa Melayu..

    According to the Article 152 of the Constitution, the language is called “Bahasa Melayu”, but obviously it should be embraced by all Malaysians

  6. accusing the government of being unfair and calling Malays racist yet they can’t even speak the national language properly, and worse still, reject the usage of the national language, so tell me, who is the real racist here ?

  7. Sebenarnya ia bukti mereka tak fasih BM dan tak dpt menangkap maksud tersirat JimmyKL11…tu yg telan bulat2 tu Helen

  8. ‘Bahasa Melayu = Bahasa Malaysia’…?
    2×2=4…2+2=4….apa bezanya?

    Defenition of stupid:

    knowing the truth….
    seeing the truth…
    but still believing the LIES!

  9. Helen,

    Itu JimmyKL perli olang bukan Malayu agar bukan dia olang sedar bahawa di mana-mana negara sekalipun, bahasa rasmi negara berkenaan perlu dihormati dan dikuasai oleh semua warga negala tanpa mengira kaum, budaya dan anutan.

    Jimmy mengharapkan tegurannya itu mendapat respons pelbagai dan sudah tentu respons negatif paling banyak dijangkakan kerana tulisan beliau amat jelas maksudnya (sama ada tersirat mahupun tersurat), bukan Malayu pasti tersentuh kalau mereka membaca dengan minda dan hati terbuka.

    Apabila pembaca tersentuh hati, Jimmy menjangkakan pembaca akan mengkritik, mengutuk dan mencaci beliau atau setidak-tidaknya pembaca yang tergores hatinya akan menekan butang “tidak suka” sementara pembaca upahan (yang tidak dapat menangkap maksud sebenar JimmyKL) akan berbondong-bondong memangkah butang “thumb up”.

    Kini, Jimmy mungkin berguling-guling di lantai sambil ketawa berdekah-dekah mengenangkan betapa ramainya pembaca upahan yang mana dalam keterujaan mereka menggunakan laman blog/sosial, pembodohan dan pendunguan diri sendiri berlaku tanpa pembaca upahan menyedarinya.

    1. SALAHKAN PEMIMPIN negara dahulu.. Tertutama si Najib yg layak memegang gelaran BAPA VERNAKULAR. Ada kuasa tak mau guna. Lihat bagaimana berjayanya Lee Kuan Yew. Dia sendiri kata susahnya memerintah di dalam masyarakat yg majoritinya Cina. Apa maksudnya?

      Cina banyak songeh kalau diberi muka. Diberi betis nak peha. Mana tau hormat org lain. Sudah tertulis Melayu majoriti. Konon belajar inggeris lebih baik kerana globalisasi. Tapi yg mati2 sekolah cina dari kecik sampai ke lubang kubur tu apasal pulak?

  10. Helen,

    Bahasa rasmi Malaysia ialah Bahasa Melayu. Malah bahasa rasmi singapura juga ialah bahasa Melayu, sesuatu yang tidak diketahui ramai.

    Masalah dimana ramai orang Cina merasakan mereka dilihat seperti pendatang oleh orang Melayu adalah disebabkan ramai ahli politik Cina yang berperangai seperti pendatang dan diterima oleh orang Cina pula.

      1. Lihat aja kualiti bahasa kebangsaan DAPster… dari kepala sampai ekor mcm hampas kelapa sampai terpaksa baca skrip dalam parlimen dan dun.

  11. I recall back in late 90s, I was working in Singapore. Once a month I’d go back to my hometown (Kluang), by first taking cab. Those were Malaysian cabs mainly to ferry folks to JB. It’s a “share” cab, so when you have three passengers, you are ready to go.

    I got myself in front, and soon, two guys got in the back seat. The driver, a Malay, asked us if we were Malaysians, we said yes. Then, making conversation, he realised that the two blokes seated behind couldn’t speak Malay property (don’t have to tell you what race they belong to, if you care for that sort of thing), and he launched into long lecture about being Malaysian and being able to speak in Bahasa Kebangsaan. It was awesome, but unfortunately, I am not sure those two dudes understood what he said. Sad.

    1. I left Singapore in 2000 back to work in KL. One of the biggest reasons for leaving the island? With lucrative income? I’ll tell you this, was watching TV and saw our Merdeka Parade in their news channel. Tears welled in my eyes, lump in my throat.

      Thinking of the treatment I got there both as Malaysian and as someone who can’t speak the language the majorities there speak, when the majority in Malaysia treated me like a brother or a son, part of their community (written about my life in Felda surrounded estate in my blog). Well, I am an emotional human being after all.

      1. my kampong just next to rubber estate in Kedah. with the indians, we were like bros. we used to play under pokok ubi gajah near kedai tuak. we were color blind. until now we are still color blind. it is very emo indeed when people are so racist nowadays.

        1. IDA,

          Unfortunately the good old days is “gone with the wind”.

          DAP is telling the Chinese that UMNO is their enemy. It creates imaginery enemy in Chinese mind. It incites the Chinese to adopt a hostile approach against Malays.

          In kampung environment of course the harmony is still there. But in other environment especially in private scetor, discrimination against darker people (meaning non chinese) is rampant.

          1. shamshul anuar,

            yup. indeed I’m still seeing it in the private sector. in fact in my 25 years in private sector (manufacturing) I’ve seen all sort of discrimination to the darker people. I guess one day the issue will explode. hopefully things change positively without explosion/ collateral damage.

          2. I think you should start a tag line that DAP is the enemy of the Malays; just like what they did to CPM decades ago.

        2. Actually I am literally colour blind. Gosh, those were the days. It started from my dad. His has two best friend, one an Indian Muslim, and the other Malay, Uncle Ramli. Uncle Ramli’s family especially was very close to us. My mother even babysitted their youngest and taught him Malayalam!!!

          Sorry for digression again, but we need to be reminded of great relationships like this.

      2. Rakesh, Lee Kuan Yew udah bilang dong… Susah mau control Chinese Majority country. Sebab tu dia kena impose mcm2 law. Kiasu gila babi.

      3. Hello friend Im from felda too and my friend of mine we called him sukumaran, every year during raya always come back to felda and visit all friends, and I still remember what he said no matter how successful he is, felda is still a heaven to him where he can comeback without worrying or think about melayu, india, cina dan sebagainya, very sad some of our politician do not see this advantage but try to seperated us out for political milestone.

        1. Interesting. Would you know where I can get the figures (data) for Indian participation in Felda? Thanks.

  12. Helen,

    Precisely. It is time for chinese to accept reality that their interests are best served through alliance with other races in BN. PR is too “hostile” to Malay interests.

    DAP on the other hand only cared sor the longevity of “lim Dynasty” while PAS is only good at ceramah. PKR on the other hand, centres on Anwar as if the universe revolves around him.

    1. correct.

      if the chinese dislike the near-extinct MCA, vote for other BN component parties. far far (manglish) better then Lim Dynasty Party. unless otherwise the like to be ruled by cocky, arrogant and tokong wannabes…

  13. kagum dgn pembaca berita berbngsa Cina sprt Ivan Toh (RTM, dulu ada Elize Lee), Pang Chin Fei & Gina Woon (TV3) dan Melissa Ong (ntv7). Mereka patut dijadikan contoh bg masyarakat Cina (walaupun sy tak brharap sangat semuanya boleh brcakap sefasih pembaca berita di atas..)

    Teringat dulu semasa bekerja sbg telemarketer di sebuah bank. Klau cstmr Cina, kena check dulu alamat. Klau alamat di Balakong, Jinjang, Kepong, Ipoh (terutamanya Jelapang & Menglembu), atau Penang (island side) terpaksalah tepuk dahi! Mostly can’t understand BM and simple English. ” Takbleh ciakap malayoo woo…” Tapi trpaksa call jugak sbb bank dok monitor.

    1. Mcm mana susahnya pegawai bancian buat kerja begitulah kamu matsentol. Bukit sungguh mereka dalm kelompok yg mengaku warganegara tetapi tidak mahu bercampur. Adakah perlu untuk menambah kakitangan berbahasa cina semata2 rakyatnya tidak mahu belajar berbahasa kebangsaan. NAJIB as a whole fail to see this because of UNDI and his stupid slogan 1Malaysia.

      1. Anti hipokrit,

        1Malaysia has long been practised before Najib even coined the terminology. Because of 1Malaysia concept, an Indian man from MIC can win in Lunas and a MCA guy can win in Kulim, a Malay majority area.

        Because of 1Malaysia, vernicular schools flourished in this cherished land, something that is not tolerated in other parts of the planet.

        Najib proudly said that Malaysia is the only country that recognises the separate school system. Yes. But we can do without this unique but ridicolous feature in school system.

  14. Good day to you all,

    It is sad to see we are actually have to talk bout this topic bahasa Melayu / Bahasa Malaysia versus what i think is Chinese Language(all dialect)

    lets all accept the fact that Bahasa Malaysia is the Is the national language and so happen Bahasa Melayu is Bahasa Malaysia.

    i for one agree that it is sad to see Malaysian people cant speak Bahasa Malaysia because we call ourselves Malaysian which means by default we are people who speak the national language.

    However we should also look at what is being said and portrait in media or by anyone. when THEY say Other races cant speak Malay who are they referring to?

    i strongly doubt those people being referred to as incompetent malay are people under the New Education system. New education system here means after the Main medium change from English to Malay.

    its funny to me people are quoting the elder non-Malay language skills, to my knowledge those who are in their 60’s grew up with English as the Education medium. During that time Bahasa Melayu/Malaysia was not used extensively and segregation of Malay in kampung , Chinese in Town and Indian in Estate. Those who had the opportunity to interact with other race used English or to some Extend Bahasa Melayu (so they learn to speak the language).

    For those segregated, they did not feel the need to learn the language because they live with people who speak the same language which they have greater understanding and fluency. (like people say necessity is the mother of all creation)

    those who grew up under the Malay Medium are fluent in Malay. They might speak funny but they understand the the language because for one its the main requirement for you to enter any Tertiary education.

    Language is not a set of skill, it requires training. Sadly (or not sadly) Apart form the Government administration and Schools, Bahasa Melayu is not in use. so people like me who grew up in Malay medium rarely use in in working life because the main language is English (to a certain extent Chinese). because of these issue the non-malay have less practice in the language ( so we speak funny)

    We are just 50 year of a Nation, it will take time for all Malaysian to speak the language and once we come to a full circle (all Malaysian under the same education system)

    i believe this also a debate of the Ventricular School causing the issue (because Chinese go to Chinese School , Indian go to Indian School and Malay to the National School)

    to my view, i agree we should have a single school System but it is how they implement in matter. if you implemented in a proper manner we all can benefit from it. have a proper qualified teacher to teach a subject and respect each subject give equal important to all language. also the number of school (and the funding) i am yet to see a Sekolah Kebangsaan in an Estate. Why? is it because people in estate don’t to go to the school or the facility.

    You cant complain parent sending kids to a ventricular school when they might need to travel miles for a school. second if you say Ventricular school student cant speak Malay well why don’t you send good Malay teacher to estate school to teach ? 3rd provide additional funding for the school to get better reading material. I am not an Education specialist so i wont comment.

    last but not least are you sure we all speak the same Bahasa Malaysian?
    We have people from each state speaking their own dialect (Kelantan, Terengganu , Johor , Kedah, KL & Penang) how can you aspect Non-Malay to speak proper Bahasa when they are exposed to so many version and all widely spoken so we also rojak.

    i been places where i spoke Bahasa Malaysia (as taught in School) and that guy looked blur as i was speaking an alien language and this happen in a Malay Kampung)

    How many Malay corrects their non-Malay friends Bahasa when it was spoken wrongly. instead they go “Uncle, itu loceng berapa harga, uncle boleh kurang ka ?”

    you cant blame others for this, when you people are not helping us to correct our language

    1. Thanks for the comment SK.

      One disagreement — where you say, “We are just 50 year of a Nation, it will take time for all Malaysian to speak the language.”

      Bangladeshis and Burmese workers can speak BM in just a couple of years being here.

      1. Denial Syndrome from SK. byk sangat point yg pelik. Antaranya DIa kata kenapa tak hantar guru BM yg terbaik? Apa kategori terbaik kalau Dong Zong asyik suruh htr cikgu yg tahu berbahasa Cina aja duduk dlm SJKC. SJKC will be 100% RASIS.

    2. Regarding the dialect, that is not an excuse to say that it prevents you from learning Bahasa Malaysia. All those dialects, whether Kelantanese, Penang, Kedah are not proper standard Malay but are regional dialects. But if we speak in a formal setting, of course we should try to hide our dialects and speak proper BM.

      Just like in English, In the US for eg, we have one standard American English, but a variety of dialects such as Texan, Californian, Pittsburgh, Virginian Tidewater and so on, while in the UK, we have Welsch, Scot, Essex, Kent etc. Each have their own words that are not mutually recognized. But a foreigner could not say “I could not speak English, because there are just so many dialects”. This is a lame excuse.

      But I agree, there are many Malays who do not correct the non-Malay’s BM (those who are poor in BM of course), and worse, some Malays even stoop down to the nauseating manner of the non-Malays broken BM when speaking with them. This is not right. But these Malays do this because they consider the Non-Malays to be hopelessly slow in learning BM and somehow if they talk proper BM, the non-Malay would not understand.

      However, credit must be given to the Bangladeshis and Pakistanis who could speak BM decently in just a matter of a couple of years.

  15. SK,

    Perhaps you are not aware that Dong Zong insisted that teachers must be fluent in Mandarin (meaning non chinese teachers excluded from vernicular schools) before they are allowed to teach in vernicular schools.

    With due respect to Chinese community, I as a Malay feels their reluctance to accept reality that Bahasa Melayu is the national language. So, not surprising when a Chinese grandmother who spends her entire life in Malaysia pleaded to be accorded citizenship when she makes no effort to master Bahasa Melayu.

    The problem lies in the attitude. In other countries say Australia, England, Thailand, France, the govt of the land will simply say “master the language or out”. Or in plain language “berambus keluar”.

    Exactly this kind of attitude makes Malays are skeptical of Chinese community. Generally the relationship does not go beyond casual pleasantries. I am not demonising Chinese community. But do wake up and face reality that no Malay would want to trust you if you do not show any effort in learning Malay or accord respects to the national language.

    Do not be a hypocrite. Or in plain language, for God’s sake, discard the “pendatang” mentality. By all mean, go and learn your Mandarin. But accept reality that this is not China.

    1. You forget one thing Shamsul, the governments of Canada, Australia, etc do not discriminate based on skin colour like ours do. Therefore, there is greater incentive for integration.

      I have met Malays with atrocious command of BM… everything in slang, and tatabahasa all screwed up. Just go to the cari forums…

      1. DAKKA,

        Really? The govt discriminates you based on skin color? Then tell me why the number of temples in Selangor exceeds that of mosques and surau put together when the number of Muslims is 4 times that of Hindus in Selangor?

        And why on earth for a number of times a MCA representatives can win in Kulim, a Malay majority area?

        And still the govt discriminates you after funding the vernacular schools ?

        1. Shamshul, it is okay to challenge Dakka, but don’t talk cock. You show me in statistic that the number of legalized temples in Selangor exceeds 4 times of the mosques and suraus.

          This is the problem tembak, just tembak.

          Shamsul, Selangor was a plantation nation like most of the states in Malaya with their estates and those days every estate had a temple naturally as the workers were Indians who contributed to the bulk of the country’s GDP. Of course with the development, these estate workers were displaced, sudah pakai buang sahaja. Don’tlah talk politics.

          Nobody denies that the federal government still funds the vernacular schools but this is not because they owe them or you but the fabric of the nation for what is built on. Do you think it is because what the government funds and you have 4 times (over 100 years illegal temple structures) as oppose to the mosques and suraus?

          Let’s not get political on issues that you and me cannot contribute until and when we can accept each other beyond the religion as Malaysians rather than creating scapegoats for our own convenience.
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          Just to add on:

          The inflated ‘temple’ count must surely include the small shrines under the trees and altars sitting in the crevice on rock faces. The point is comparatively masjids are magnificent buildings and the suraus almost all at least decently appointed (equipped).

          The “4x number of temples” is a spurious argument promoted by Ridhuan Tee.

          Helen

          1. Malaysian in New York,

            It is not “just tembak’. It is the reality. I am just giving facts about people who continue to lament that they are discriminated when the fact is otherwise.

            I am not being cocky here. I am just stating the plain fact. Are you discriminated when a MIC candidate can win in Malay majority area?

            Are you aware that no govt in USA will tolerate shrines under the tree? So, at least appreciate the generosity of the Malay led govt. Remember, there is a shrine exactly on the pavement outside a hospital in Penang.

            In USA, in no time it will be demolished. It is not a case of making the scapegoat. That is the purview of DAP.

            It is about stating the facts. It is not the spurious arguments. It is the fact. It is not about denying Indian contribution.

          2. No need statistics la.. You drive your car and you can see a lot of temples and small shrines. Maybe MNY jarang balik sini. Aku udah fed up dgn org yg denial ni.

      2. yenna da Dakka… you expect people to write in standard malay when writing in forums? c’mon lah…

        jangan buat lawak sengal kat sini.

  16. Dear Both

    1st,

    i agree, that Bangladeshis and Burmese workers can speak BM in just a couple of years being here.

    As i told you “necessity is the mother of all creation” those came here to make a living either you swim or you sink so they swim, the elderly non-malay came here at different time. today, they are with their family. the family speak their language to fulfill their needs.

    The same argument can be made how come a Bangladeshis, Nepal and Burmese can speak English after some year in Malaysian when the Malays can’t. The same rule apply they need to learn to survive.

    One can also argue technically the “Big Bad British” over ruled us before formation of Malaysia. their media was English. then how come the Malays, Chinese and the Indian cant speak English (the older Generation) it comes back to the need. British decided to use “mandor” concept, they get few who speak the language and used them to translate, the translator does his part and get paid, the workers do what the translator said.

    so the second Generation is the are currently the translator in our case. i am sure most non Malay in their 40’s can speak and understand Malay (may be poor but they can , sufficient enough to get the message through)

    Secondly

    I am aware of the Dong Zong new request/demand, which i believe its slightly off but they might have a reason. that reason might not be because they don’t accept Bahasa as the National language.I don’t know

    for example

    How do you explain “Pagi” to a standard one Kid, are you going to say Pagi and show the Sun ?. so initial you will use what they are familiar with (language or tools) then link it to the Message that’s how language is learn. that is one reason.

    Does request/demand a person to know an additional language to help teaching /making kids understand better a bad thing ? Does it reduced the status of Bahasa Melayu as the national Language.

    by your definition “Grand Mother” means she is old she might be older than 50 year by then Malaysia didn’t even exist ? she should be given a nationality based on the Social Contact by our fore fathers.

    What you talking about is Migration, What i am meant about is Pre-independent and older generation. I believe the new generation are Ok In Fluency of Malay Language, that’s what i meant by full circle.

    I do not believe that by Insisting that “Chinese School” need a Teacher Fluent in Chinese language is nothing wrong on the flip side. Why cant they learn additional language ? its not a disadvantage for learning additional language. after all The Chinese Pay for their School (most Chinese school are privately funded or only partially funded by the government)

    The merely say you need to be competent in the language they are comfortable, they didn’t say must be Chinese person. tell me if you have P1/P2 in Chinese language (SPM Level/ STPM), do you think they will reject you ? ( you are qualified based on the requirement) least i believe so

    Effort to learn Bahasa Malaysia is in place, just because all school has Bahasa class, so we learn. as far as the respect goes its has nothing to do with Ventricular school because that’s the matter of attitude. its is not confine to Non Malay it also extends to Malays as well (to be honest, i don’t know how you respect a language ?)

    If grammatical error then it happen ( even Malays do) if speak funny (we all do, Malays do too, Malay also got loghat)

    How come if Malaysia want to sent Malaysian Scholar to Japan / France / German,malaysian (including malays) wiling to learn the language tapi kalau nak suruh belajar mandrin untuk ajak di Sekolah Cina Tak sanggup ?

    come on la brother, you are not wiling to go down a bit to learn Chinese to help our sister/ brother to improve their skill but you are willing to learn a language which might not be spoken in Malaysian just so you can progress ( who is Hypocrite now)

    ( this sounds familiar doesn’t it “necessity is the mother of all creation” , you change and reinvented yourself because you saw the need)

    About Hypocrite and Pendatang Mentality i can right you a Big Assay on the subject.

    I will only say this

    There will be no Pendatang Mentality if the is no Ketuanan Mentality) both term coined by people who seek benefit out for the Hustle and tussle

    I i will say is this I support Sekolah Kebangsaan over Ventricular school but i really hope and wish they look at the implementation part. Implemented wise/correctly will be beneficial for all race.

    We as a nation are good at planing but terrible when we do implementation because we seek political approval or economical approval before looking at the long term benefits

    Regards
    SK

    1. I would excuse the elderly non-Malay for not being able to speak BM but won’t extend the same to young Malaysians for the simple reason, how can they fail to see the “need” for all who claim to be Malaysians to speak BM as a requirement for being Malaysians?

      1. I’m the head of an International based NGO here, and I had a session with the youth branch of the organization last Thursday. The group from a Chinese school couldn’t speak either English or BM!

  17. HI Helen

    I do believe the young Generation is Ok,
    like i said we might talk funny but we can understand what being told ( i am not saying all ok or all bad)

    We malaysian should be able to converse in the language but i admit the level of competence is in question which does need improvement

    but i don’t believe the ventricular school is the reason. its the matter of attitude in general regardless of race (this include Malay, Chinese and Indian

    I just hate when its being used to paint a bad picture on a race or an organization and being used as a target

    because i do know Chinese & Indian who went to National school and still talk funny and the other way around

    the cause is not Ventricular / National school it should be just school

    1. Agree and disagree :)

      The young generation – as shown in the girl who stepped on Najib’s photo and the man who received a flying tackle at the Shah Alam i-City KFC outlet as well as other Chinese individuals in trouble who have turned to DAP interpreters b’cos they cannot answer reporters’ questions – do not indicate that they’re okay in BM.

      However, I do concur that vernacular school should not be scapegoated.

      This is b’cos the vilest hate (reflecting badly on the Chinese race) have come from the English-speaking evangelists, i.e. Guan Eng who is not a product of SRJK(C) but La Salle.

      And I agree with you that “it’s the matter of attitude in general”. It’s the attitude of war (Perang Salib) through the ages and again manifested in the bombing of Afghanistan, Iraq, the drones air-striking Pakistan and generally all the civil wars in many parts of the world where Christians and Muslims are killing each other.

      1. “do not indicate that they’re okay in BM.”

        it depend on how we evaluate ‘okay’, especially in certain situation whenever what we say have an seriuos impact to outcome. i notice one of my japanese colleague speak decent english, but he choose to speak japanese and insist on translator whenever the state of affair require reasonably good communication capability, for instance during negotiation. i think the same strategy and mentality apply to many so called “not okay in bm” fella.

        1. As a general statement, your reasoning is fair enough.

          But let’s take the case of the girl who stepped on Najib’s photo. Sin Yee was driven to the Dang Wangi station from her home state Johor. Her press conference was held in KL — facilitated by the DAP people and using the DAP translator (i.e. the language scenario you describe).

          Nonetheless earlier when she was in Johor, the first lawyer she sought help from (i.e. Norman Fernandez, the DAP Johor deputy chairman) revealed that the girl can barely speak a word of BM or English.

          1. i am aware of that and this is exactly my point, she will have no problem to buy nasi kandar and attend a driving license test, but not when she is facing a lawyer, dont u notice many indian doctor able to speak various chinese dialect particularly term that relevant to diagnosis? i think norman a blur blur one.

          2. have you been paying any attention to what i wrote earlier, “i think the same strategy and mentality apply to many so called “not okay in bm” fella.”?

            how many chinese malaysian girls age above 18 you meet that “hardly can speak a word of Malay or English”? i don’t.

            and what make you think whatever norman write or say constitute fact and not an opinion?

            1. In the case of Sin Yee, Norman’s opinion is more valid than yours.

              As for the general language competency of Chinese, we haven’t got good empirical data. However, let’s open it to the forum for anecdotal evidence.

              What do other readers say about their personal experiences in connection with Najib encouraging Malaysians to speak the national language at least competently?

          3. Do we want a society where we are only proficient enough to buy groceries from the local market?

            My korean was good enough to buy groceries and direct a taxi driver. But would I say I could integrate into Korean society– no way! Heck my german is also that good.

            I think we should aim to become a society that can share ideas and feelings and come to a mutual agreement… That requires a higher level of language proficiency.

            Helen did you scare off Mekyam?

          4. “I think we should aim to become a society that can share ideas and feelings and come to a mutual agreement… That requires a higher level of language proficiency”

            no disagreement, i think we were almost there once, at least in term of language and number, what cause the opposite direction? today i am not very sure, assimilation is not the mainstream and prevalent trend in many countries, while integration demand certain prerequisite which apparently we are lacking. perhaps we could still achieve something via a common objective, like what switzerland did, i thought we discussed about this many times?

  18. SK,

    Who is it that often mention “ketuanan” this and that. I am a Malay and have many Malay friends from both sides. I do not hear them saying “ketuanan” or anything like that.

    So, what is it that riles you? As long as you are willing to give excuse that vernicular schools are parts of Chinese cultures, then you must accept that invisible wall among races. The price to be paid is many Chinese will be termed “pendatang” exactly for having “pendatang mentality”.

    By all means, study your Mandarin. Nobody is stopping you. From Malay points of view (which they will not tell you upfront), vernicular school is just a pretext for “insulation”.

    SK, you miss the point. Nobody is saying mastering a language is futile, be it Tagalog, Arabic, Tamil, Malay, Spanish or Mandarin or any other languages.

    I am saying why on earth you are upset to be termed “pendatang” for refusing to master your own national language. Drop your ridicolous mentality and learn Malay for your own benefit.

    Will you expect White House to grant you citizenship if you do not know English? Can you expect Australia to fund Chinese school that you insist must be free from Govt control but receiving generous fund from them?

    What is the language of the land in Australia? Malay, English or Mandarin? Will you converse in Malay to Australian officer in Sydney? Will you expect Japanese Govt to provide translator to you?

    Similarly what is the language of the land in Malaysia? Mandarin, Tamil or Malay? Do you expect the Immigration officer to speak Mandarin with you simply because you cant speak Malay?

    Can I expect a Beijing official to speak in Malay with me ?

    It takes two to tango. Just as you expect to be treated like Malaysians, you also must return the favour by acting like Malaysians.

    How? No need to change your name like in Thailand or Indonesia? Just accept the fact that this is Malaysia.

    You will find that Malay generosity is unmatched. But do accept reality that this is Malaysia. For a start, master the language of the land.

    And do mix with them beyond casual plasantries. Then you will find that a lot of what DAP has been saying about them (meaning Malays, UMNO) are pure rubbish.

  19. I know this may be slightly off-topic, but here’s an interesting wiki article.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malayisation

    I stumbled upon it when researching about Malays from Sri Lanka.

    My curiosity about this topic was set off when I met a ‘Malay’ taxi driver in UAE. When I tried to speak malay to him, he didn’t understand. It turned out he is a Sri Lankan Malay. He speaks a singhalese/malay patois (pidgin malay) and passable ‘taxi’ English.

    Malays went to Sri Lanka hundreds of years ago. Some were exiled there by colonial powers.

    Here’s a wiki entry about them:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lankan_Malays

    After speaking with another Malaysian Malay in the UAE, we came to the realization that had our ancestors been re-located to Ceylon, we could be ones driving taxis in the UAE!

    I don’t understand why some Chinese in Malaysia don’t show that sort of empathy . Haven’t these DAPsters been to China and seen the conditions there?

      1. Alas, I admit I haven’t used BM in an official capacity in years (nearly 2 decades) as I have been travelling a lot. I think the last time I used malay in a written form was to file a police report back in the 90’s.

        I think that the problem with the Malay language is that there are many forms — spoken, written, internet and now even mobile phone forms.

        I would like to see a spoken/casual form of the Malay language that is very close to the official form. This would help bridge the gaps among segments of the Malay community and greater Malaysian society.

        Overseas, the open-minded and cosmopolitan malaysian malays I know tend to speak English. These malays would agree with me that Malay is not an effective or efficient language for professional or complex communication, especially given the fact that our professions use the English language.

        The malaysian malays who are religious and insular and who live overseas tend to speak malay (and broken malay at that). Some admit they have forgotten how to write proper, grammatically accurate malay. At the same time I see they can’t write proper or understandable English either. How they got jobs overseas is confounding!

        It is better to communicate in a proficient language than in a language that is commonly shortened, colloquialized, and, in general, abused.

        I hate to admit it, Malays are in large part responsible for the Malay language problem.

        1. I marvel that Mekyam hasn’t lost her excellent BM despite living abroad for aeons.

          And I enjoy her turns of phrase when she lets rip.

          1. I don’t know mekyam. How long is eons to you? Isn’t she also fluent in French?

            Some people just have the gift of gab.

            I can hold conversations in 4 languages. I started to learn korean when I was in Korea. I can read korean, but not speak or write it.

            My point is how effective can one communicate? Sometimes being grammatically correct is not enough.

            I am writing this while watching CCTV Al arabiyah (the arabic version of the chinese govt news network). They have chinese news casters speaking arabic. I am trying to learn arabic!
            _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

            Perhaps Mekyam will tell you if she reads this :) — Helen

          1. Yeah. You know how many times in the UAE people come to me speaking a foreign/alien language? I get respect only when I speak perfect English. This explains why the overseas British speak English and ONLY english, even though they know other languages (some are married to foreigners). They don’t want to appear like the lower classes. And, this explains the crux of the issue with DAPsters. They use English to make themselves seem superior.

          2. saya cakap ikut majlis.

            I code switch when necessary.

            I speak malay, hokkein, tamil, english, japanese. I also converse in Bahasa Indonesia when speaking to the Indons workers in factory. in my line of duty, sometimes code switching is better, rather than depending on english alone.

            in asian HQ, bangkok, I speak english, in Japan HQ kumamoto, I speak japanese. in Indonesia I have to speak Indon becoz the refuse to speak english and unable to communicate using english.

    1. Read somewhere that the Malays originated from Taiwan, and flowed down to Nusantara, Pacific islands to the east and Madagascar to the west.

      The Taiwan natives are of same stock as Malays; though my Chinese friends call them Taiwan aborigines. The ruling elites of Madagascar, the Marinas, are Malays from Bugisland. I don’t think we understand their language now.

  20. Bagi aku mudah aja. Kalau tak suka dgn apa yg sudah termeterai dan nak di Cinakan 100%, Keluar sahaja dari sini dan cari negara yg boleh ikut kehendak mereka. Pertama sekali yg aku cabar Yap Tian Sin (Dr Bogus).

    1. kawan,

      api tidak boleh dilawan dengan api. lawan dengan air lebih baik. tiada colateral damage. bahasa kebangsaan wajib diangkat ke tempat paling tinggi. tapi perpaduan masih boleh dicapai walau kita bercakap bahasa rojak dulu buat sementara waktu tanpa mengabaikan usaha memertabatkan BM.

  21. faktor tentang keupayaan menguasai BM yang anda mungkin tidak tahu:

    1. masih ramai orang yang malu menggunakan BM kerana takut disangka kurang/tidak berpendidikan tinggi.

    2. masih ramai orang memandang rendah BM kerana mereka memandang rendah bangsa melayu.

    3. pengajian BM merangkumi faktor budaya melayu. ramai orang tidak suka mempelajari tentang budaya melayu kerana bersikap prejudis dan anti-melayu.

    kebolehan bertutur dengan lancar BM, tidak bermakna orang itu lulus peperiksaan BM dengan cemerlang, lulus BM dengan cemerlang tidak bermakna pandai bertutur dalam BM.

    tahukah anda mereka ini siapa?

    1. lagi satu, menulis dan bertutur dalam BI tidak bermakna orang itu telah melupakan BM dan tidak menyanjung tinggi bahasa ibunda.

      Mari Beruding; Jangan Bergaduh

      Tekukur, kelicap ada di dahan,
      memakan benih padi dijemur;
      syukur diucap kepada Tuhan,
      takkan letih menjadi makmur?

      Beri tetamu rasa serunding,
      air halia pembasah tekak;
      mari bertemu di meja runding,
      resam jahiliah usah ditegak.

      Pohon duri jangan disentuh,
      bimbang pula tangan terluka;
      mohon hindari segala gaduh,
      bincang sahaja dengan terbuka.

      28-07-2011

      take a break and lets pantun…

  22. Quick question here— Who here uses Malay in an official capacity? Who uses it to write important emails at work (not gossip email , ok!)? And who uses it to make presentations to clients/bosses??

    I know Petronas does not use Malay in an official capacity. Their technical standards are in English. Most, if not all specifications are in English.

    When I worked for PTT (Thailand’s equivalent of Petronas), they wrote their specs in English, as those specs had to be sent to English speaking vendors and contractors. But their engineers used Thai text books/ notes for reference. THeir internal contract documents were in Thai.

    I worked for Sinopec (one of the China’s largest oil/gas/petrochem companies) in Beijing for months. They too wrote specs and datasheets in English. But some internal documents were in chinese and everyone spoke mandarin at work.

    I worked for a French engineering company. They had specs written in english and some in french. Their standards sometimes came in dual language (european IEC standards are generally dual language). Their international projects proposals and documents were generally written in English .

    I have attended an official meeting with italians, french, brits and one malaysian (I being the only malaysian). The language used in the meeting was mainly english, but french was sometimes spoken. The italians would interject and argue in competent french (i can speak competent french, so I could tell they were quite advanced ).

    The schools of the EU teach their children many languages. Why can’t we?

    1. Who says our schools don’t teach kids second languages? Under Muhyiddin as Education Minister, the contact hours for English has been increased and in fact are more than in some of the European countries (b’cos English is second language in Sek. Keb. whereas English may be the third language in the French-German speaking countries).

      Kids in Chinese schools do BM & English.

      Mara has the Mandarin modules.

      1. What i meant was to make it mandatory to learn languages OTHER than english.

        I lived in Europe for several years and I understand it is mandatory to learn other european languages. I don’t think you will meet a single European who hasn’t had some basic lesson in another european language.

        WHy can’t we have mandarin/cantonese/hokkien or tamil classes taught in our schools as a mandatory requirement? At least a basic introduction would be good.

        I just think the government can’t implement this because of the complexity of the issue. We would need to mobilise so many teachers and raise the budget.

        So, in the end it’s up to the individual to learn.

        By the way, korean/japanese/french companies i worked with gave free langauge lessons.

        I know a british company in thailand that tried to teach english to its staff. The more senior thai staff were a bit too arrogant to admit their english proficiency was actually quite poor. I saw similar behavior among malaysian staff. Some are too arrogant to admit their lack of language proficiency, regardless the language.

        I took english and technical english in university, and I still think I need to constantly maintain or improve my level of English. I think native, unilingual English speakers are always careful about their speech and writing.

        While writing that last sentence , I wondered to myself is it monolingual or unilingual???

        Is it octopuses or octopi?
        _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

        Cactus, cacti. Campus, campi. There are a few other joke words. Can’t remember off-hand. — Helen

      2. My children attended Chinese school at primary level, and we switched them to SMK for secondary. They wanted very much to attend Mandarin class for continuity and to touch base but the class is always clashed with Pengajian Ugama. When we complained, the school said, ini dasar kerajaan. Encik complain lah. Finally we accepted the reality and gave up.

        1. Najib has a positive attitude to Chinese language (he’s proud of the fact that his son speaks fluent Mandarin). But I also sense hostility on the part of some Malays, i.e. those who think it sounds like ching-chong, ching-chong.

          Is this negative attitude to the language an extension of a dislike for the Chinese?

          1. Najib may be Mandarin friendly, but the school system is still embedded with archaic system and mindset. And MY isn’t of much help.

            Difficult to answer you second para. I know prejudice amongst Malays against Chinese is bad. And vice versa I believe.

            But my children that attended Chinese school have many very close Chinese friends.

    2. Saya gunakan BM dalam kerja rasmi apabila berhubung dengan rakan sekerja tak kira bangsa, peduli apa, dan saya galakkan juga kepada kerani kerani melayu kalau tak tau tulis english, tulis je BM, jangan paksa diri,

  23. Well Helen,

    I do not know the girl who step on our premier picture or the guy who made got the tackle. I truly hope/believe that they actually can speak Malay (its honestly shocking to me if the young generation of Malaysia cant speak Malay least to a point of getting the message across because regardless of education system background Bahasa is everywhere.)

    Least during my time, for you to sit for any National Exam (UPSR, PMR & SPM) you will have oral and Listening Exam for Bahasa, if you cant speak or read you cant pass those.

    To the point of they turn to Political person in this case is another matter (i am not sure they turn to DAP or DAP turn to them). People might twist issue for their benefits, that’s human nature.

    For the case of the Student, its wrong for her to step on the picture so she might be scared of the retribution so she kept quite. Fear any thing said will damage things further.

    Seeking people are used to addressing public and who will speak for them. People she seek might have miss used the trust or took advantage (that’s a point i wont argue its open to people’s opinion)

    Wakil Rakyat or people with power has a large following, they are able to put forward others view which might not been heard of a layman brought it up. that is something you cant argue.

    For example not long ago, a minister son got in hot soup for punching a security guard but he got attention because he was Minister son (if i did that, i might be in jail or none of you will ever know i did it. Am i not right?)

    Why does political party or any organisation has a publicist or a a communication director? Does the Chairman or President or any one of the main member cant speak the language? i don’t think so its more to getting the right message across in a properly and orderly.

    On the medium that they select is their choice (if a BN party member spoke on her behalf and made the same argument will the others make the same ruckus?)

    Secondly, why are we talking about Perang Salib and the attack on Afghanistan, Iraq, the drones air-striking Pakistan

    that’s worldly issue,

    i don’t recall Malaysian or the Muslim leader complain when Russian we attacking Afghan (USA a nation of Christian support with training and weapon to the Muslim Afghan nation to fight Christian Russian).

    I did not hear Muslim nation or Malaysian leader complain when USA made Blockade on CUBA during Cuban missile crisis (i believe both nation were majority Christian).

    USA got involve in Vietnam War when the majority was not christian.

    That’s just USA, they look out of their best interest in any war or issue.

    Why do we think Christian and Muslim are at War, Why cant we just say certain nation is at war with certain nation that’s all. we can pick our side but still are you picking a side based on your moral believe or Religion base,

    if you are supporting an idea purely based on Religion / racial believe then you are wrong. you should always make decision based on Moral believe it might be hard and hurting but if its right its right, if its wrong its wrong.

    Dear shamshul anuar & I.D.A

    Of course the Malays don’t say it or talk bout it (either side) because either you have the advantage. No one complain if you get advantage (or seem like you got advantage).

    As i told you before i am for a single school system but i just question how well it will be implemented, that’s all. If you can find a middle ground then we can have a single school system. The non malay should improve the competency in language, that i agree.

    On that point, we should also look in to Sekolah Agama or all the Islamic Tadika, don’t you think ?

    That is also a form Ventricular System? i am sure that those are also school also which you don’t need ? Sekolah Agama is fully funded by Government why is that? why cant they be like others ventricular school (partially funded or privately funded) why do you need a such a school?

    You have Kelas Agama in National school then you have kids who go to Sekolah Agama (sesi petang) and you also have kids who enter fully sekolah Agama? (correct me if i am wrong) why is that? The non-malays do not learn anything religious in School (we had to do it in our own time and money) but you get to do it in school and supported by the government? and sekolah Agama is not open to All Malaysian but ventricular school is.

    So coming back to you comment on Pendatang Mentality? is it logic?

    Both of you talked bout USA, Japan, Thailand, Australia and China and Pendatang mentality and learning the Language of the Land. i agree totally its true 100% but i don’t think all of them can speak the national language same goes here not all Malaysia non malays cant speak Bahasa but some cant? but you are generalizing all non malays as Pendatang.

    But are you sure that we are treated the same?

    In USA, Japan, Thailand and Australia, i don’t i do recall every time the the issue NEP is brought up the Malay draw their keris , Chinese take a kung Fu stand and the indian take their weapon? and ready to fight, Why?

    all the Malays politician talk bot the 30% equity holding, the Based of NEP was poor people below the poverty line but it was not meant poor Malay people all Malaysian people but i don’t see that view. i do not argue that Malay might be poorest based on ration but also consider the population. if the base on the stats 70% malaysia is Malay, 20% Chinese, 7 % indian and the others

    if i have RM100, i give to all race equally means 70 Malay people share RM100, 20 Chinese share RM100 and 7 Indian get RM 100 and we all make business of it

    but if i divide equally RM300 amount Malays get RM210, Chinese get RM60 and the Indians get RM30

    this theory only Apply to Economy right which means the Rich or the funding should be given to the less fortunate (generally deprived people)

    How bout other stuff: When Malay Pay Zakat it is straight educable from Tax but for non Malays there is a calculation of need to be made to determine the amount of money tax deductable.

    Why cant the government standardized the practice? Why is there a Tabung Haji (i know its only for haj but the money from there is invested in GLC to generate secure income to increase wealth, GLC are Malaysian Company why cant we share the profit? Cut my salary so i also can use the money if i want to make a spiritual enlightenment.

    Why is the ASB? we are also “Malaysian”, we have to only depend ASN which has a quota system. while ASB is only has limit of deposit and it can be withdrawn and added anytime not like ASN are we not Rakyat Malaysia.

    I have Muslim/Malay friends who are Pakistan, Afghan, Egypt, India , Indonesia Lebanon who are second generation Malaysian (Parents are of the country of origin) and they are classified as Bumiputera / Malaysian and enjoy the benefit for Bumiputera including the Housing benefits and ASB but me a 3rd Generation Malaysian are called “Pendatang”.

    I speak Malay, i know of the Malay custom (not extensively) but i don’t get anything. How is that logic? some argue they are from the Malay archipelago so they can are u sure Egypt and Afghan is? how come they are Rightful Bumiputera and i am still a “pendatang” who’s generation help develop the nation ?

    There is another requirement that you imply (being a Muslim) which is not part of any original document of constitution (correct me if i am wrong).

    If you are arguing saying we gave you nationality so we get to be higher preference or have advantage?

    About religion is fix Malaysia is a Secular State with ISLAM as an Official religion its in writing. No one can argue it or deny it or even change it even if the political party tries because it is history. Unless you are saying the statement above is wrong then i have no comment.

    If you believe that you are treating non Malays are equal then you wont have those policy because those policy (NEP, ASM) is been implemented to improve the Economical gap between Poor and rich regardless of race or religion by having those policy you are only focusing only improving the Malay’s economy (then by default you never saw as equal to start with)

    How do you aspect we the non Malay to be open and loose the so called Pendatang Mentality when we never felt welcome in our land ( Malaysia)?

    Now does USA, Japan, Thailand and Australia have these policy?

    So along as i can speak English or any national language and no criminal record and additional requirement I can be their Nationality and i will enjoy any and all of their benefits and policy whether is buying house, investment, education and health care as well will be seen equal by law (i don’t deny there might be slight “Penindasan” but it might be by the people not by the government policy or rule).

    So are you sure you always saw us as equal?

    P/s:
    Most of my colleague are Malay and i do get well with them to the extend we are able to see our differences and work together for the benefits of my company because if the Company (or nation) is not in a good state eventually we all suffer.

    We cant compare our nation with other nation, we have to embrace the difference and make thing better. if that means letting things go the so be it

    but always do it with a moral conscious beyond the Skin/ Race/ Religion

    Lastly Single education system is GOOD but how do you implement it matters.

    the reason why There are ventricular school could be the believe they will lose their Identity as Chinese and Indian. (which Malaysia proudly accept and advertise about)

    Even the Malay guard their tradition. May be the non Malays feel if they don’t do it they will lose their tradition.

    we have to work together to make us work.

    When i see,

    Chong Wei in All-England – i don’t see Chinese – i saw Malaysian
    Nicole David – i didn’t see Indian – i saw Malaysian
    Super Mokh – I didn’t see Malay – I saw Malaysian Legend

    We cant mix or fix an issue so fast and easy. we (as in our leader BN or Pakatan) have to sit and see how to resolve an issue to everyone benefits and work on that see the future its better we fight now than we cry fault later

    Thats all

    Sorry if i offended anyone by my post but its just my point of view of the matter in the eye of a non malay
    ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    The girl who stepped on Najib’s photo recorded an apology in Mandarin on YouTube. — Helen

    1. SK,

      I’m a Malay and a Muslim. Sekolah ugama is not necessary. It’s a mistake. A mistake that’s very difficult for us to retrieve now.

      To treat Egyptians, Pakistanis, Arabs etc as Bumiputra is a sin. But then again, do we really need to use the term Bumiputra in the first place? Is it in the Federal Constitution? I can’t recall.

      If the NEP is meant to help Melayu, Iban, Kadazan, Sakai et al, just say so. Is it necessary to categorise them as Bumiputra?

  24. Dear OverseasBumi

    i truly agree with you point. Some day we will reach there it will take time once we are comfortable with our diversity will will reach our goal as a nation

    i believe we are at our struggle stage, we are just over 50 year when other nation are older but we also need to learn fast

    China is the best example i guess

    Hope we will get pass this Bahasa is important but we also need other language for us to survive and improve ourselves

    its always nice to hear from our successful Malaysian from other part of the world

    Makes us proud and makes us feel we can do more

    heheh

    Regards
    Senthil K

  25. SK,

    Are you saying you are not welcomed here in Malaysia? That after a world record of more than 1 million citizenships granted on a term so liberal unmatched by other countries? Mind you the massive citizenship exercise literally changes the status of Malay states from being exclusively Malays to multi racial after Malays in generosity that is unparalled by any standard embraces the so called immigrants as citizens .

    Do not get me wrong. I am not trying to be sarcastics. But sometimes history needs be retold as many tend to forget.

    For a start, why are not feeling “welcomed”. You may not like what you hear. The very reason why you( I assume many chinese ) feel unwelcomed is that the Malays find the Chinese ( no offense) generally refuse to integrate with the Malays.

    You insist on separate schools as if your Chinese character will dissapear without Chinese schools. Literally speaking separate schools exactly does just that: separate us.

    You seems unperturbed when Dong Zong insists on only those who are proficient on Mandarins( meaning non Chinese teachers) teach in Chinese schools, therefore reducing the already minimal contact Chinese students have with other races.

    You say nothing about “mandarin is preferred” in private sectors. ask any Malays and Indian and they will tell you that is racism at its core.

    AND I DO NOT GENERALIZE CHINESE AS PENDATANG. What i said that many Chinese tolerate racist Chinese politicians who behave like “pendatang’. Do tell me how Malays see you or Chinese community if you continue to tolerate extremist in the form of Dong Zong or DAP.

    Why so upset about being called pendatang when many behave exactly liike that. I know it is very unpleasant but that is how Malays perception on many Chinese politicians

    We do not say out loud because ussually Malays “jaga hati”. Malays do not make an issue when a DAP politician called Dr ZAmri “hitam metallik” or insulted him by literally accusing him as a “bastard”.

    Malays tend to be forgiving. A Chinese youth was let off with only a warning after splashing red paints on a surau. I cant imagine the uproar should a Malay boy splashes red paint on a church.

    AS for Tabung Haji, the main objective is helping Muslims to prepare financially for pilgrimage. It has nothing to do with race.

    As for Sekolah Agama, the main purpose is on religious education which cant be taught extensively in Sekolah Kebangsaan due to shortage of time. It does not separate along racial line.

    Do check the Constiotution. Islam is the State religion and it is the duty of the state to fund Islamic activities. The state however is not required to funf other religious( non Islam) activities. If fnd is provided it is done on “ihsan” principle.

    As for those second generation becoming Bumiputera, this is due to their parents marrying bumiputera. My son has a classmate. the friend speaks excellent Malay. I only realise that his father migrated to Malaysia 20 years ago when I visited them during Hari Raya. he is deemed as ” bumiputera”

    As for ASB, do not get so upset. Besides “receiving” Malays also gives a lot. They are charitable lot. They allow separate vernacular schools that would have been abolished in no time in other countries.

    Malays are willing to vote for non Malay candidates in Malay areas. Any chance of malay being elected in Chinese areas? Despite having nothing good to say about UMNO, many newspaper still can attend PM press conference. Look what happen to Malay daily in Penang.

    My only advice to you is that you or the Chinese do not have to sacrifice your interests by supporting racist politicians whose idea of being relevance is by painting Malays, UMNO as cruel to Chinese.

    Try “integrating” with the Malays. No need to be insular. But if you insist to do so when other Chinese in other countries are willing to join national school, do not get upset when you are termed “pendatang”.

    1. Pemimpin lama telah mencipta satu formula yang sesuai untuk situasi di malaysia, apa yang perlu adalah penambahbaikan kepada sistem yang sedia ada, cthnya mara telah membuka pintu mrsm kepada non bumi, banyak lagi yang boleh dilakukan cthnya asb, asn harus lebih terbuka kepada rakyat malaysia, mengurangkan program berteras bangsa dan sebagainya

      ini mengambil masa, kerana untuk membina mindset yang betul mungkin ambil bertahun, kita yang berfikiran positif bernasib baik dapat memikirnya dengan rasional, tetapi masih banyak diluar sana yang perlu diberi perhatian, tindakan parti politik mengambil kesempatan dengan menanam ideologi kebencian amat buruk kesannya dalam jangka masa panjang…

  26. Just a few points.

    One. Kedudukan bahasa Melayu/Malaysia sebagai bahasa kebangsaan tidak dipersoalkan, baik dari segi Perlembagaan mahupun secara praktis. Sudah tentu bahasa Inggeris lebih dominan dan merupakan bahasa ilmu hari ini, seperti bahasa Latin dan Yunani, Perancis atau Jerman pada suatu ketika dahulu. Ini tidak bermakna bahasa kebangsaan boleh diperlekeh atau dihina dengan sewenang-wenangnya. Sebagai rakyat Malaysia, kita mempunyai tanggungjawab untuk memartabatkan bahasa kita, dan apa yang dituntut bukannya semua menjadi penulis atau penyair atau pakar bahasa seperti Awang Sariyan, Usman Awang, A Samad Said atau Lim Swee Tin. Apa yang dipinta hanya keupayaan berkomunikasi menerusi lidah sebangsa.

    Two. Bagi saya, jelas matlamat sekolah vernakular adalah untuk mempersiap dan membekal anak-anak kita yang bukan Melayu dengan ilmu pengetahuan agar dapat mengikuti pendidikan menengah dan tinggi dalam bahasa kebangsaan. Namun, kebelakangan ini, terdapat kelompok-kelompok manusia yang hilang akal dan lupa akan tujuan asal SRJK(C) dan SRJK(T). Tak sepatutnya ada apa-apa bantahan terhadap sekolah-sekolah rendah vernakular, selagi majoriti pelajarnya mampu bersaing di tahap yang sama di sekolah menengah kebangsaan nanti. Sekolah swasta dan sekolah antarabangsa bukan medan utama sistem pendidikan mana-mana negara.

    Three. Mungkin ada individu yang keliru antara isu bahasa kebangsaan, sistem pendidikan, kedudukan orang Melayu dan Bumiputera dan dasar ekonomi baru. Apa-apa kelemahan dalam mekanisma pelaksanaan tidak bermakna sesuatu perkara dasar boleh digunakan untuk rundingan tawar-menawar atau dijualbeli. Kelemahan dalam DEB tidak bermakna kedudukan orang Melayu dan anak negeri wajar dihapuskan. Kelemahan dalam penguasaan bahasa kebangsaan tidak bermakna kerakyatan bukan Melayu wajar dilupuskan. Ini mentaliti orang kat pasar.

    The key question here is that many Malaysians are unwilling to think of the common good, and instead, think of only their own selfish gains. The AES system is a good example. We should and can question the determining factors of why a location was chosen, but we should not insult the intelligence of others by insinuating that such a system is unnecessary. Of late, I saw a lot of grumbling about the new system, and as usual, Malaysians are too mollycoddled when it comes to matters of the law.

    1. Saya kurang bersetuju dengan perenggan kedua, sekolah vernakular dilihat sebagai sesuatu yang asing oleh ramai orang Bumiputera terutamanya selepas tuntutan demi tuntutan Dong Zong. Ini memperlihatkan mereka ini tidak pernah berhenti dan berfikir bahawa kewujudan SRJK di Malaysia ini, biarpun cuma ada sepuluh misalnya, sudah menunjukkan suatu kompromi yang tiada tolok bandingnya ke atas status BM sebagai Bahasa Kebangsaan negara.

      Hakikatnya, Malaysia adalah satu-satunya negara yang mempunyai SRJK (C) yang diiktiraf sebagai sebahagian daripada sistem kurikulum negara selain China dan Taiwan. Ia seperti sesuatu yang tidak kena pada tempatnya. Malah kaum Bumiputera seperti Iban dan Kadazan juga tidak sebegitu nasib baik sehingga diberi SRJK (K) dan (I). Indonesia dan Thailand sudah berpuluh tahun menutup sekolah2 Cina di negara masing2, dan ia merupakan salah satu faktor mengapa mereka berjaya mengasimilasikan masyrakat Cina masing2 ke dalam identiti negara kebangsaan. Kita pula ada 1,291 SRJK C dan 60 sekolah persendirian menengah Cina pula

      1. Saya percaya ada keperluan untuk sekolah vernakular di peringkat pendidikan awal. Sewajarnya, kena ada sekolah berasaskan bahasa ibunda kanak-kanak supaya non-native speakers tidak terpinggir, terasing dan dimangsakan (baik bahasa Iban atau Kadazan). Sudah tentu, logiknya, generasi baru akan datang mungkin semua sudah celik bahasa kebangsaan dan keperluan untuk SRJK akan berkurangan. Namun, saudara Elijah lupa bahawa ada SRK yang gagal menyaingi SRJK(C) sehingga anak-anak Melayu sendiri disekolahkan di situ.

        Saya masih boleh terima kewujudan SRJK(C) dan SRJK(T) kerana ada lunas-lunas pendidikan atau rasional pedagoginya. Kerajaan pun sedar dan bilangan SRJK(C) sejak kemerdekaan itu semakin berkurangan, bukannya bertambah. Kita kena cermin diri juga kenapa sekolah-sekolah persendirian semakin mendapat sambutan.

        Sewaktu bahasa kebangsaan dimartabatkan, sekolah-sekolah pelbagai aliran telah pun wujud di bumi kita. Kompromi itu telah terbentuk sebelum dan selepas kemerdekaan dan hakikatnya identiti yang kita cari bukan asimilasi tetapi integrasi. Kita kena pastikan anak-anak kita bertemu dan bergaul, dan kalau boleh, memang molek jika ini bermula dari bangku sekolah rendah. Namun, tak terlewat juga di sekolah menengah kebangsaan kerana mengikut saranan UNESCO, itulah yang sebaiknya. Kita fokus bahasa antarabangsa di peringkat menengah atas dan pengajian tinggi.

        Selagi kita mendapat persemuafakatan bahawa semua anak-anak muda kita akan berpeluang untuk belajar bersama-sama dalam bahasa kebangsaan di peringkat menengah atas dan bawah, saya rasa sudah tercapai hasrat sistem pendidikan negara jua.

        Saudara Elijah kena realistik, anak-anak bukan Melayu kalau semuanya dipaksa masuk SK terus mungkin ada yang handicap bahasa.

        Bab DJZ toksah cerita. Dalam pelan pendidikan terbaru kerajaan nak mansuhkan Remove atau kelas peralihan 1 tahun selepas darjah enam, supaya laluan ke SMK lebih menarik dan jelas. Kerana takut kehilangan faktor pendorong ke sekolah persendirian cina ICHS, wakil DJZ semua rata-ratanya membantah. Kita kena pandai menilai dan memahami strategi mereka. Niat dan tindakan kita harus mengambil kira kebajikan dan keutamaan kepada pelajar, bukannya mainan politik atau sentimen perkauman.

        1. I hate N’Sync

          Sebenarnya tiada keperluan untuk sekolah vernakular, kalau menurut saudara, maka semua etnik minoriti di Malaysia seharusnya diberi satu sekolah vernakular mengikut bahasa ibunda masing-masing. Maka perlulah ada SRJK Iban, Kadazan, Murut, Dusun, Mah Meri, Bajau, Kelabit, Bidayuh, Semelai dan seterusnya. Kenapa hanya etnik Cina dan India yang bernasib baik? Maka apakah pula ertinya kita mempunyai bahasa kebangsaan dan bukankah ini suatu kompromi yang maha dasyat terhadap status BM?

          Untuk mencapai peringkat semua sudah celik Bahasa Kebangsaan, maka Bahasa Kebangsaan itu sendiri, seharusnya diterapkan sebagai identiti masyarakat sejak bangku sekolah rendah dan itu sukar untuk dicapai dengan kewujudan SRJK dan kanak2 dipisahkan mengikut etnik dan tidak bergaul. Maka ia satu kitaran. Betul sangatlah apa yg saudara katakan, sangat molek untuk kanak2 bertemu dan bergaul serta bermain-main bersama sewaktu di sekolah rendah.

          Tiada negara pun di dunia ini, yang mempunyai sekolah vernakular SRJK (C) yang diiktiraf sebagai sebahagian daripada sistem pendidikan negara, kecuali Malaysia, China dan Taiwan. Tidak juga Indonesia dan Thailand, walaupun komuniti etnik Cina di sana lebih ramai daripada di Malaysia (8.8 juta dan 8 juta).

          Belajar menggunakan bahasa kebangsaan tidak patut hanya terhad kepada peringkat menengah sahaja, tetapi peringkat rendah juga. Inilah yang kita harus tekankan, Bahasa Kebangsaan itu seharusnya diterapkan di dalam jiwa kanak-kanak sejak di bangku sekolah rendah lagi, bukannya sudah umur 13 tahun tetapi masih gagal bertutur dalam Bahasa Kebangsaan sendiri dengan baik. Bukankah ini juga suatu kompromi terhadap Bahasa Kebangsaan sendiri yang tidak mungkin ditemui di mana-mana?

          Ya, memang SRJKC semakin berkurangan. Pada tahun 1970 ada 1,346 manakala pada 2012 kini kita mempunyai 1,294. (http://dapmalaysia.org/english/2007/aug07/lge/lge721.htm). Ini satu perkembangan positif, namun dengan tuntutan DJZ yang semakin melampau, serta DAP yang mungkin mendapat kuasa kelak, dan permintaan yang tinggi dari kalangan ibubapa Cina, bilangan SRJK akan bertambah semula di masa akan datang.

          Saya memang realistik, kerana inilah yang diamalkan di serata dunia, hatta di negara-negara maju sekalipun. Adakah maksud saudara handicap dalam bahasa ibunda? Tanyalah masyarakat overseas Chinese di negara2 lain, apabila sudah sampai ke 2nd atau 3rd generation onwards, mereka lebih beridentitikan bahasa kebangsaan negara masing2, malah tidak kurang yang kata itulah bahasa ibunda mereka, bukan bahasa Cina. Mereka mungkin masih mampu bertutur dalam bahasa Cina, tetapi lebih berbangga dan fasih berbicara dalam bahasa kebangsaan negara masing2.

          Bagaimanapun, saya tahu kerajaan tidak boleh hanya menutup SRJK di Malaysia dengan serta-merta, itu hanya boleh dilakukan apabila populariti sekolah vernakular sudah berkurangan. Untuk tujuan ini, SK haruslah menunjukkan prestasi yang cemerlang bagi meningkatkan kepercayaan ibubapa untuk menghantar anak2 mereka ke situ dan kebaikan belajar di SK juga haruslah ditonjolkan dimana ia lebih membantu di dalam pembinaan negara bangsa. Tujuan kita sekarang ialah hendak memartabatkan BM, maka segala langkah2 yg dilihat perlu, perlulah diambil, dan kewujudan SRJK merupakan salah satu daripada halangan yang ada.

          Berkenaan dengan etnik Cina menghantar anak2 ke SRJK, ya, sebenarnya >90% ibubapa Cina memang mnghantar anak2 ke SRJKC. Sila rujuk:

          http://www.cpps.org.my/downloads/factsheets/National%20unity%
          20factsheet.pdf

      2. statistik terbaru yg aku baca 96% cina pilih srjkc, ini juga membayangkan semakin kurang bukan melayu mendaftar masuk srk dan peratusan semasa mungkin kurang dari 5%, manakala bukan cina yg berada di srjkc sekarang melebihi 10%, jika mamandang bukan dari segi nombor mutlak tetapi menghadkan dari skop peratusan dan nisbah, apa yg tersebut tadi mengambarkan satu scenario yg menarik, iaitu srjkc adalah lebih cenderung dilihat sebagai sekolah kebangsaan dengan kepelbagaian murid dan bahasa.

        kalau pakcik tua kat djz guna otak, srjkc akan menjadi pilihan utama semua kaum di masa hadapan (dengan sokonan kerajaan).

        give a thought why this happen, and what sort of sekolah kebangsaan we aspire.

        1. Sorry HuaYong, 96% kanak-kanak Cina di SRJK(C) is less than 20% jumlah pelajar sekolah rendah di Malaysia. Saya rasa Hua Yong salah pakai statistik.

          I can fact check that claim, I just don’t think it is accurate nor true – as SRJK(C) being more “national” than SRKs.

        2. From

          Click to access BAB_1.pdf

          Enrolmen Darjah 1 – 6 @ 30 Jun 2010

          SK = 2,184,918
          SRJK(C) = 603,192
          SRJK(T) = 104,654

          Jumlah enrolment = 2,899,228

          So as you can see Hua Yong, being a SK is more than just your Cina enrolmen, we have also Indians, Kadazans, Ibans, Sikh, etc. In fact, your argument about 96% Chinese kids in SRJK(C) only serves to underscore how communal the “Chinese” schools are. SRJK(C)s exist to bridge non-Malay mandarin speakers to catch-up with the others on the use of national language at secondary level, NOT to replace the medium of instruction for public education in this country.

  27. Dear Shamshul anuar

    i am thankful to the My Sultanate for granting me the Citizenship that’s sure but i also believe that was also part of the agreement that the Sultanate agree with British to be granted Malaya Independence.

    i also do understand you are not being sarcastic toward non Malay but the world has change. you cant only depend on history say because we did that (grant Citizenship) we can do other things to because you owe me.

    True there are non-Malay who are hostile or refuse to integrate with Malay. Same goes for Malay to some of them refuse to integrate or lower their superiority, for example

    i have a close Malay friend, when met the family, the kid refuse to salam with me even when i offer. One may say, she did not know me so she didn’t salam but what shocking me was the mom told me (proudly) that the daughter did not salam because i was a non muslim and they visited my other friends the daughter did not want to enter my friend’s house. this is a 6 /7 year old kid.

    second incident is when they told me that they attended an indian wedding and the wife only drink water and did not eat any food due to fear of halal.

    how do you aspect me to digest in being a non-Malay

    i was raised Malay environment (90% of my classmate was Malay), work in a Malay environment (90% of my colleague was Malay). i believe i do know Haram & Halal. How do you feel when they don’t trust the food you cook or cater (certified halal). they practically told me when i get married get a Malay catering or they wont “menjamu selera” at my wedding.

    second, I met a Malay lady who complain to me that her friend need to berubat because she got contacted by the Temple holy water when she was walking by. she said the she the skin contacted with develop some rash.

    to be honest, i thought to myself how dumb this Malay lady can be and how dumb can my friend be to be telling me this. if i am not wrong the holy water used in temple is normal water or water which was mixed with “kunyit” (which is natural antiseptic, i think). how can that cause you a rash that you need to berubat?

    How do you aspect me to integrate with them when they don’t trust me to serve them food. Like people say it takes 2 to tango, as much as the Malay think the prejudice against non-Malay, the Malays has given us ample reason to do the same.

    if the law is broken, it is broken. The same level of punishment should be given to everyone regardless of race.

    i still do recall politician calling the Chinese prostitute? and balik China. i also remember a school Head calling Indian keling/pariah.

    what happen to those cases, the party say “the statement was misquoted, and then it does not represent the whole party view”.

    and the School Head was transfer and send to sensitivity training (i am not sure if they did transfer her)

    if other country, legal action will be taken against them, the teacher will be dismissed but how here?

    If you have those quality of Teacher in School, who wont consider the option to a ventricular school? a teacher who suppose to teach about moral and integration, calling student such name?

    about Voting in GE, who are you voting? the party or the candidate? that the real question? are you telling me that a Chinese/Indian can never win election in a Malay majority even if the person is the best or the most helpful ones? you are saying you will only vote a person based on his race and not his standing?

    There should be a freedom of press i agree, do we actually have freedom of press? we don’t this include all media but i seem to recall new splash in Malaysia being edited (example the police brutality against indian in 2008) unless the blog and online upload was reenactment then didn’t see those incident in TV news or the Bersih rallies?

    do you agree the media is filtered?

    about politician its hard, they do any thing to be on power let it the ruling party or the other

    About the privileges all i say is be fair and Just in implementing

    is it logic if a Bumi discount is given to a Million dollar house. the person can afford 1 million dollar house he is not poor !!!!!!! he should be buying at market price.

    Yes !!! the Non-Malay language will disappear if ventricular school is abolish unless National school prepare to embrace some changes to ensure the legacy of the language remain.

    a language can only be preserved if its spoken and taught. Ventricular school provide the option so that’s why we have the system. Latin used to be one of the most spoken language in the world but now its almost gone. the non Malay do not want that, they want their language to be preserved. Are the government genuine in trying to do that ?

    my niece is currently in national school, my sister wanted to send her kid to learn our mother tongue. but fully part was the school did not offer they language under the basis no Teacher. (its been 2 years now since then) but on the flip side my niece can speak arab.

    This is a joke, you introduce a Policy but you did not think through. how come, the management cant find teacher to teach Chinese and Tamil for 2 year. Not even a temporary teacher?

    Will you allow if the school you send your kids to do not have Maths / Science / Sejarah / Bahasa Malaysia / English teacher for 2 year? this show the effort put in to the policy do you think with this the non Malay will settle for a Chinese / Tamil subject in National school?

    this school my niece goes to is not in some rural area, its K.L

    You can never expect non Malays to fully integrate with Malays when they are treated differently.

    since you also brought it up, the Chinese and Indian in other country have integrated into their national school system because they do not feel the separated since the policy applies there is the best men win. The country or the government does not help a certain race, it help the poor/ unjust/ unfairly treated. Here there is, why is that ?

    Malaysian in general has not matured enough to see beyond the racial segregation. Racism is not confine to the visible one, also applies to the invisible ones. Until we reach that state this will continue.

    you cant say we are one, when you aspect you to be treated differently?

    you cant always go back to the citizenship offering as a reason because you are playing bogeyman.

    i do not believe the Government (BN/UMNO) are being cruel towards non-Malays as non Malays has enjoy much freedom here but its the matter how do they resolve an issue is in question? (bias or unbiased) doing things halfheartedly / unprofessional and harsh manner and turning the blind side is the issue.

    this does not only meant to the ruling party but any party and all citizen we should not see the bigger picture.

    when i interview staff, i do not see their race, only seek a quality that i want as my subordinate (coincidentally all Malay). as long as they do what i want / need and i speak Malay to them when giving task because, that’s the language they are comfortable and express their true feeling. Even though my boss has a limited command in Bahasa and prefer people with English fluency.

    This sometime does not sit well with people of my own race but what i believe is, i was hired because i was qualified and promoted because of that so end of the day, i need people who can help me to get my task done not to “air-con” me

    I do also talk my mother tongue to my race under the same pretext but i don’t do it often because Business language is English and National language is Bahasa so to avoid prejudice i use the language which is understand by all race. so time i give general instruction and repeat in in Malay just to make sure everyone understood what i meant.

    I do it because some my colleague might not have the competency language in either language so to make sure both in the same idea.

    I can’t use Bahasa when communicating with my own boss because of language barrier (my boss is not fluent in Malay) and also because we do have Expatriate coming to our meeting i cant afford to have a translator to translate my Bahasa throughout a meeting.

    Bahasa Malaysia is still has limited usage in business world this also reason why Bahasa not used extensively.

    People have pointed out that a lot of country people speak only the national language (and no ventricular School) but the new world commutes with English. those country said having difficulty when comes to getting job done.

    which is also the same scenario with Malaysia, having an additional language skill help us when we are in working life.

    Private sector prefer to pay top dollar to hire an Ok student with higher competency (including language) compared to a top student with communication problem (including language barrier)

    if you want to be hired you have to make sure you qualify for their requirement, you cant aspect them to adjust to your requirement (include: skill, qualification, Language, attitude, presentation)

    you cant cry foul, when you don’t meet their requirement because they pay you

    But i am thankful that i was born in Malaysia and i am proud being a Malaysian and do hope all Malaysian can work together towards a better Malaysia

    Its the responsibility of every Malaysia to fight the racial barrier and remove the prejudice againts us

    Best Regards
    SK

    1. well i believe in this case u also cried foul for every experiences u have had. i respected ur views and thoughts about the society and the racial barrier and the prejudices we had towards each other. when i say we, yes u also said it, we had our prejudices including you.

      have u ever watch an academy award best picture winner movie called crash (not the other erotic movie also called crash – there is a reason why i mentioned academy award winner here). western or american culture has it, asian also has it, of course. i didn’t mean we should be proud of it or rather live with it. in fact, i also don’t know how not to become prejudice towards others.

      the movie tells us something on how to deal with it or is it? i just couldn’t find it or may be helen could help me out. but from what my not so bright brain tells me is we are all good or nice or kind ppl regardless only u choose to become bad. anyway, as a malay in msia pov, from your ramblings and writings, it tells me that u want more than what u already have.

      well, sounds familiar with your kind. yes sir. it reminds me of what lee kuan yew once said about demokratiche dictatorship…

      “Anybody who decides to take me on needs to put on knuckle-dusters. If you think you can hurt me more than I can hurt you, try. There is no way you can govern a Chinese society.”


      Lee Kuan Yew: The Man and His Ideas, 1997

      wait there is more. emperor ‘all under heaven’ qin shih huang ti and chairman ‘cultural revolution’ mao.

      1. “According to history, Malays began to migrate to Malaysia in noticeable numbers only about 700 years ago. Of the 39 percent Malays in Malaysia today, about one-third are comparatively new immigrants like the secretary-general of UMNO, Dato’ Syed Ja’afar Albar, who came to Malaya from Indonesia just before the war at the age of more than thirty. Therefore it is wrong and illogical for a particular racial group to think that they are more justified to be called Malaysians and that the others can become Malaysian only through their favour. ”

        Lee Kuan Yew (in 1964 or 1965).

        lky said many thing, so how? what is your take on each and everything the dictator say?

  28. Hua Yong,

    You miss the point. Central to the issue is the refusal of many chinese to “integrate” with other Malaysians. I mean they cry out loud why sometimes people call them “pendatang’ but fails to understand that they behave like “pendatang”…

    They insist on “mandarin is preferred”, Chinese schools and yet they chide Malays for being skeptical of Chinese. They insist that they are “malaysians” and have all righs as Malaysians but they refuse to compromise or more importantly realise that this is not China.

    As for Malays are descendants of some Taiwanese tribe, that is immaterial. Nobody knows who set foot first here in Malaysia. But the world recognises Malaysia and previously as Malay states. Recognition comes in the form of most obvious manner. All treaties, war ultimatum or diplomatic relationship were done and done ONLY with Malay Rulers.

    Whether your ancestors can be traced through Prophet Muhammad”s line or a Taiwanese tribe or ladies in waiting of Chinese princess hang Li Po is immaterial.

    The issue here is refusal of Chinese to “integrate” with other Malaysians. Learn to give and take. Learn to accept reality that you will have difficulty in your relationship with Malays if you cant command their language (Bahasa Melayu) and also your language.

    If someone wants to migrate to USA or New Zealand, I would suggest him to learn English. Do not expect the citizens of USA to speak Malay with you simply because you cant command their language.

    Learn the futility trying to blackmail the govt of the day that it must comply with whatever your requests simply because of your votes BUT THEN fails to appreciate the gesture. LEARN to accept that the move will eventually backfire.

    You may think you can vote the govt out. But you may instead vote you and your entire community out of the govt. And when you refuse to show even inch of appreciation, you will realise that the other races also will see no point in being friendly with you.

    MANDARIN or TAMIL will not disappear without vernacular schools. It will disappear if you do not use it.

    Perhaps you are not aware how Malays perceive your community. Ask any Malay and he/she can vouch of rampant discrimination in private sector.

    You may have unpleasant incidents with Malays the way I have numerous unpleasant and also pleasant experiences with non Malays. But as goes the saying “one swallow does not make a summer”.

    All these incidents of ignorance comes from one source: separation from early stage. That is why during height of HINDRAF movement, my Indian childhood friends told me he does not believe Hindraf as it exaggerated. Why? because he mix with Malays from childhood.

    AND DO NOT confuse ability to speak fluently the national Language with the importance of English. Nobody denies its usage and international status.

    But if sizable section of non NMalay students from vernacular schools are not able to command Malay, then something is wrong here. It is creating problem and the result is still the same: it cuts through racial line right to the middle.

    And when you are “separated” from school from tender age, do not be surprise if in your adulthood you will feel awkward to mix with other races. Then the incident of looking down on darker people or refusal to salam will become “normal”.

    In 2000, 16 staff of a banking line from a dept did not receive a single cent of bonus. One of them complained to Bank Negara. BN asked for explanation and why all of them “happened” to be Malays. The said bank was unable to justify.

    What does it show?

    1. I am an old school fella originally from kampung near estate in Kedah. like many kampung in rural area, there are few chinese shopkeepers and paddy farmers. we mix around well on those days. the post 1969 generation mixed well in sekolah menengah. my indian and chinese friends, we were color blind…

      now, present time… let me share my experience as an HR practitioner in private sector. once, before I joined in the department, the malays and indian (as refered to darker people) engineering fresh grads (diploma, same CGPA score) all paid a starting salary of RM 1500 whereas all the Chinese getting RM 2000. this how the darker people treated by an organization lead by the chinese.

      when things like this happened, its beyond separation of school system… its just pure racist. you see, I have been in many organisations in the industry for 25 years, I have seen also minor cases but it only happened to the darker people…

      go to The Star or Jobstreet or any other web portal, you can see rasict statement everywhere that says “mandarin speaking preferred”. read between the line “Chinese prefered”. btw Indian who can speak mandarin also kena gaji lower than chinese. how come?

      1. In the UAE, the dominant racial/ethnic group is of course the Indian group, in particular Kerala Indians. Europeans/British are very frustrated with their behaviour and refer to them as ‘the Mafia’. They are not even liked among their own INdian community.

        Here’s how they do it:

        -Speak Malayalam (native language of Kerala) around other workers.
        -Exclude other people, including other Indians, from their discussions using the language barrier
        -Avoid socialising with other groups
        -Reject resumes/CVs coming from other ethnic groups, sometimes on very minor points
        -If asked to interview a candidate outside the Kerala community, they would ask the toughest technical questions
        -Accept CV from their Kerala community without condition
        -Conduct easy one-on-one interviews with their people, sometimes obviating interviews altogether
        -At work, they don’t invite non-Kerala staff to important meetings
        -Avoid emailing non-Kerala staff on critical issues, sometimes expecting junior Kerala staff to email more senior non-Kerala staff, thus diminishing the role of senior non-Kerala staff
        -Kerala staff will criticize the work from other ethnic groups.
        -Ensure that HR can’t criticize them or sometimes install a kerala staff in HR dept
        -If HR or others criticize them, claim that the non-Kerala staff is paranoid and wasn’t good staff anyway (ie character assassination).

        My advice to Malays or others who try to defeat such racial discrimination– FIGHT

        Don’t let yourself be cowed. Argue, raise your voice if you have to but don’t yell. Make threatening gestures and tempt them to hit you. Remember the one who actually takes a swing is at fault. Speak perfect English and heavily criticize their English mistakes.

        Don’t cooperate to work with them and stymie the progress of their projects. Criticize their work at every juncture. And finally, work harder and APPEAR TO WORK HARDER than them. Have a strong upper management ally.

        1. I fought aggressively, until all the top guns from japan took action. now there’s SOP written about salary scale. after that, as predicted, I was transfered out from HR. :) I now been cold storage and they thought I will leave the company. hahaha. I like my new assignment actually, highly paid and under utilized sort of job….:)

          1. most of the time I tried to ignore that this is racist, but I can feel I have to work triple harder that my cina friend, just to proof malay can work, and sometimes act as less malay as possible, there was an event where I raised my voice over some issues, I was blocked from a promotion on that year.

            But on the other hand, my cina friend who knows me, always willing to accept me if I want to go anywhere , even my ex cina boss told me, you can come and join me anytime, a position always there for you, not one but more… I hope time will come where we are not treated as what what we are, but what is we are capable for and it must start with us.

        2. OB, with all your experience, you must know by now how that when you can handle the Malayee women, then everything sets in with their macho men.

      2. Dear IDA,

        Private sector is not a government or charitable entity. Their decision is commercial-based and profit orientated. Their businesses are funded by private funds and not public. As such, it is not legally wrong for them to impose restrictions such as mandarin speaking etc.

        Just like you have money and you want to purchase a product. You have the power to choose certain product and set the criteria that you desire before making a decision. I hope you can respect the decision of the private sector and their prerogative to recruit based on their necessity. As long as it is not illegal under the laws of the country, it is acceptable.

        1. Dear private, I like what you said “As long as it is not illegal under the laws of the country (self defined), it is acceptable”. Bottomline are people made out to need to make money for commercial-based and profit orientated, so what is so wrong if we need to accept bribe, practice Alibaba trade?

          I am game for this so what is the problem with BN, so who needs PR? The only obiter dictum here is we sacrifice humanity at the expense of profit and self indulged needs without a concern for humanity for the community to sustain amongst us in parity. So if this okay what the hell let’s be it as what it has to be for ourselves besides the goodwill of the community.

          1. Dear MalaysianinNewYork,

            Thanks for reply. I reiterate that we must differentiate between a government entity and private/commercial body. The former is funded by tax payers’ monies and as such, should keep discrimination/segregation at minimum levels. The latter are funded by private funds and as such are entitled to impose certain discriminatory criteria as long as they are not illegal under the laws of the country.

            Giving and accepting bribe is illegal. Somehow, our country has a lousy enforcement against corruption and the law itself has many loopholes. Ali Baba trade exists due to the weaknesses in NEP that favour the Bumiputeras resulting in contracts given under direct negotiation and inflated prices. If the government has political will to eradicate corruption and improve the NEP, private businesses will have a harder opportunity to bribe and exploit the NEP system. Problem is that our current BN government refuses to do so.

  29. Apa mau susah. Kalau semua tak mau lupakan China dan India. Pls go back there. Atau cari negara yg boleh kasi SJKC dan SJKT dan segala mcm tuntutan Hua Zhong dan Dong Zhong. Aku harap satu hari nanti ATM bolehlah rampas kuasa mcm di Fiji dan betulkan balik perlembagaan. Harap org politik semua hampas kelapa.

  30. Bila baca apa yang SK tulis – rasanya, Masyarakat kita mempunyai masalah yang lebih besar, dan harus diberikan perhatian dengan segera.

    Mungkin kerajaan sedar akan hal ini, dengan itu ditutupnya dengan pelbagai ‘kepura-puraan’ yang membawa mesej muhibah dll demi kebaikan Negara dari berlakunya perkara tidak di inginkan.

    Sedar tidak sedar, konon yang budaya perkauman, prejudis antara satu sama lain ini dibawa oleh Parti Politik yang berteraskan perjuangan bangsa ternyata hanyalah dongeng semata-mata, kerana sifat perkauman dan prejudis antara satu sama lain itu tetap wujud dalam hati semua bangsa dalam Malaysia ini, mungkin bukan semua.

    Dan perkara inilah harus menjadi topik perbualan untuk mencari penyelesaian.

    Di dalam bangsa Melayu terdapat keburukan, begitu juga dengan bangsa-bangsa lain, kerana hakikatnya kita hanyalah manusia biasa yang tidak lari dari kesilapan.

  31. Secangkir Kopi,

    Setiap bangsa ada kelemahan dan juga sifat positif.

    Tidak perlu hipokrit disini. Setiap bangsa sudah tentu akan lebih beri perhatian pada bangsanya dulu baru bangsa lain. UMNO tentu beri keutamaan pada Melayu seperti MCA pada kaum Cina. Tak perlu terperanjat.

    Tetapi mesti ada titik pertemuan. sekearang ni, atas nama hak masyarakat Cina, Dong Zong menuntut supaya guru yang tidak fasih Mandarin (maknanya guru Melayu dan India) langsung tidak diberi mengajar di sekolah Cina.

  32. ala karutlah dengan sekolah (J)

    dah ternyata dan terbukti tidak mahu bercampur gaul dengan berbahasa melayu lintang pukang apa entah lagi berbahasa inggeris dengan slang cina dengan sebutan english kurang tepat..

    kalau nak fikir sama rata, yah we melayu boleh kongsi macam macam asalkan kamu semua setuju hapuskan saje sekolah (J) ini dan bercampur gaul dengan masyarakat, kalau sekadar teman setaman atau kawan sekolah universiti… ahh karutlah

    islam adalah agama rasmi, apa bila rasmi perlu faham kelebihanya sudah tentulah zakat dan tabung haji untuk orang islam, kena faham orang islam dan bukan melabel sebagai melayu.duit yang tidak dikenakan cukai tapi cukai pendapat melalui duit-duit orang islam dibayar melalui compy GLC kepada kerajaan. bukan semua orang melayu kayaraya untuk melabur byk2 dalam saham, atau hartanah dan sebagainya, kewujudan asb sedikit sebanyak membantu bumi didalam ekonomi, kalau anda bole rujuk berapa ringgit dalam acc ASB tu sudah tentu tidak banyak, kalau yang banyak tu biasanya dari golongan ahlipolitik, perniagaan atau sesorang yang mampu manipulasi sistem kewangan spt OD, emas dll

    ahh karutlah anda yang berkata melayu turun dari taiwan, sejarah yang ada ini tidak betul, orang melayu tinggal dikepulauan melayu, maksud kepulauan itu terdiri dari malaysia indonesia filipina thailand, tapi perancangan sulit memecahkan orang melayu dan membahagikan kepada beberapa negara lain.

    sedarlah… sudah berapa tahun merdeka tapi masih gagal berbahasa melayu dengan baik lintang pukang serta slang pekat jangan mengaku bagus sangatlah ibarat bercakap ayam dan itik…

    puiiiiiiiiiii

  33. Dear Secangkir kopi , Azre & karutlah

    We all have our inner racism, that’s normal. The inner racism will only faded away with time and understanding. example

    We assume:
    All Chinese Are rich and eat pork (not all Chinese are rich and Some Buddhist Chinese don’t eat pork)

    All Malay are Fanatics and lazy (not all Malay are fanatic, there are large a number of Malays who are hardworking even more hardworking than Chinese)

    All Indian are Gangster and Drunks (not all Indian are Gangster or Drunks)

    but because of media and the number of cases flashed or the person that we have contacted with made us have these “idea” in our mind.

    we have to try to break the cycle and see good in people and help within our means not do hate / dismiss them. If you dismiss/hate them, they will do the same and the cycle continue to the next generation

    Dear Azre

    I have watched the movie before, while what you explain bout the movie was the prejudice of people even in west.

    but all i took from the movie even with all the issue with the White Cop still saved the trapped African-american lady (what i saw when doing something or your job put your own though / experience aside and DO YOUR JOB WITHOUT PREJUDICE)

    i am every sure our Leader will be able to negotiate some term with Dong Zhong

    Dear Antihipokrit ,

    you think if ATM took over, your hidup senang ke ?
    Please look at Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, Paletine, Iraq, Afghan that’s the price of War and Military Regime

    The UN will do Blockage and price of material will go up and Malaysia will Bankrupt

    Dear Karutlah

    Memanglah Bahasa Melayu/Malaysia kami tidak sehebat anda, tapi kami cuba memperbaiki bahasa kami. Bahasa English kami pun mungkin lintang-pukang, janji bila kami cakap semua faham. kami bukan nak masuk National Spelling Competition. Everyone has slang and other West countries also the same scenario.

    Kalau nak bergaul kenalah bergaul some place Setaman ke , Sekampung ke, Sesekolah ke ataupun di university have to start somewhere.

    Saya tahu perbezaan antara Orang Melayu and Orang Islam.

    How can you differentiate the money earn by orang Islam from non-Islam. GLC (Goverment Link Company) it does not belong only to Orang Islam it also belong Hindu, Christian, Buddhist.

    Unless you say Muslim business man money boleh kot GLC is not GLC belong to Malaysia.

    i am also aware not all Malay are rich same goes to non-Malay kami pun sama. kami tak dapat pun ASB ke , Harga Rumah diskaun ke?

    tak Kisah la orang Melayu datang dari mana. Are you saying The world (White, Latin, Africa, Indian , Chinese Arab) plan to dislocate all Malays from Kepulauan Melayu ?

    Based on Geology, the world was only a single continent but after year it broke in to super-continent eventually for the world today (The last known continent is Pangaea)

    Based on Pangeae, “Kegugusan Kepulauan Melayu” tak wujud secara tiba-tiba. so of course you will find malay in other parts of world. Because a lot of Malay in the area that is why they are called Malay Archipelago (direct translation : Kegugusan Kepulauan Melayu)

    sebab kami tak pandai la kami mintak masa supaya pandai sikit ? kalau tak bagi masa memang kami ada slang.

    Come one la, not everyone can speak fluent Malay at the same pace, Don’t compare too much.

    one reason we scramble our Malay is because English and Bahasa Melayu share the same alphabet so some time wrongly pronounces because use to one or the other

    Be proud if you find Malays in other part of the world

    Regards
    SK

  34. itulah sikap orang malaysia, janji faham, kalau asyik janji faham sampai bile tidak akan pandai berbahasa

    anda perlu faham, tabung haji diwujudkan membantu orang islam untuk pergi menunaikan haji, sudah tentulah duit para pelabur islam

    asb adalah sebahagian polisi DEB yang tidak berapa berjaya, anda berkata harga rumah ada diskaun? puiiii harga yang dikatakan diskaun itu tiada sebenarnya, harga yang diberi telah memberikan keuntungan kepada pemaju, sama seperti jualan “murah” ada diskauan % tapi sebenarnya tiada pun.. pengguna tertipulah..

    aku tak kata datang dari world wide, aku kata sekitar asia tenggara, nampak sangat tidak faham, satu benua? wei karutlah teori tu

    sudah beri masa yang panjang tapi masih tidak mahir berbahasa, bahkan masih menuntut yang bukan bukan apakah nak tunggu beribu tahun baru mahir, orang burma vietnam pun duduk sekejap pun boleh meningkat kadar sebutan bahasanya… malulah

    masalah perkongsian perkataan itu bukan masalah utama, bahkah sebelum ini tiada sangat bahasa inggeris dipinjam bahasa melayu tapi masa dulu mengapa masih tunggang langgang… jangan pusing pusing, orang negara lain pun ada perkataan pinjaman tapi ade masalah ke? hehe

  35. Dear karutlah,

    Come on, We have to start somewhere, we all don’t speak Bahasa Melayu the same way. i can speak Ok i guess. but i don’t understand loghat Bahasa Melayu Kelantan or Kedah so does that mean i am guilty or them ? ( i speak Bahasa Melayu which is taught in School) some goes everyone sure some will have “pelat” that might not be his fault. Least dari tak faham sekarang boleh faham kan ? ade kemajuan la tu.

    I am not saying Kami perfect, we are trying to learn as fast as possible.

    as for Tabung Haji, just mention as and advantage setup-by Government (as its not something that the Goverment did for Non-Malays) (i am also aware that the Constitution has a clause on it, however the interpretation seem to vary)

    Anyway Tabung Haji has Investment in KFC Holding (Christian/Jew Company ?) and Silver Bird.

    Bejaya atau tidak bukan persoalan . Kewujuaan saja kami membangkitkan sebab it a policy for all but has been redirected and people now claim that under Special Privilege. kalau tak bejaya you may complain to the person who manage it . House discount, please check the Sales Price most housing has a bumiputra discount plus quota ? i am sorry if you didn’t get the discount if your entitle to it. kadang kadang nasib kita la lambat ke ? tak cukup duit ke , tapi ade diskaun (meaning the Non-malay might need to pay more to have the same house)

    You never said Asia Tenggara la bro ? check your posting (siapa yang tak faham bahasa Melayu ni?)

    Well i am not Ahli Sejarah, tapi Ahli sejarah is the one said about “Pangaea” . Maklum la saya tak pandai (need more than 50 Years to learn bahasa kan) unless you have a better theory than i think better leave that to the Expert who said that?

    Kami memang malu tak pandai bahasa lagi , so we are learning. anyway Orang Burma/ Vietnam fasih sangat ke sampai boleh berpidato ? (like i said they learn enough to survive)

    Saya tak sebut pun perkataan yang dipinjam (tak faham English Ke?) saya kata abjad la ABCDEFG tu ?

    Bahasa Melayu has Identical Alphabet as English (i am aware that some language has same alphabet but its not identical) (Macam Kembar dan Kembar Siam)

    So Bro, i am not Saint, Just give time and let us pick up the language but we (non-malays) are unlikely to speak as fluent as the Malay. We are slow , we know that we are trying to improve it

    That has nothing to do with Dong Zhong. Let the expert in negotiating negotiate and let them come to a compromise agreement between them.

    Sorry if i was harsh but if you are not willing to hear peoples view in open heart and ridicule people. so can I

    Regards / Salam
    SK

  36. SK,

    55 tahun merdeka masih lagi tidak berupaya bercakap bahasa melayu bahasa kebangsaan dengan lancar adalah salah siapa?

    Rakyat Malaysia suka sangat membandingkan sesuatu perkara yang berlaku di negara ini dengan negara lain, jadi mengapa tidak mengambil isu Bahasa ini dan bandingkan dengan negara yang lain. Tidak perlu jauh, bandingkan dengan negara jiran sahaja sudah mencukupi.

    Mungkin dikalangan bukan melayu atau melayu itu sendiri tidak memandang akan betapa pentingnya Bahasa kebangsaan untuk dijadikan asas sebagai rakyat pada sebuah negara yang berdaulat, tetapi jika dilihat pada sudut yang lain, adalah tidak masuk akal jika alasan sedang belajar atau berikan masa untuk belajar diberikan hanya untuk menutup akan permasalahan realiti yang sebenar.

    Mungkin disebabkan hal ini, labelan ‘Pendatang’ tidak pernah hilang di pemikiran orang Melayu terhadap mereka yang bukan melayu.

  37. Secangkir kopi

    Secara terang terang saya sudah menyatakan wujud kelemahan dalam tahap penguasaan bahasa Melayu/Malaysia dikalangan Rakyat Malaysia bukan melayu.

    Apakah definasi lancar ? people expectation is different based on our own expectation

    tapi tidak adil menyatakan bahawa Orang Melayu sendiri sudah pula bahasa hanya kerana mereka meyokong/ melihat kepentingan Bahasa English mahupun bahasa Ibunda lain.

    Sebab wujudnya issue ini Perdana Menteri meyeru rakyat bukan melayu mengunakan Bahasa Malaysia.

    anda tidak boleh meyamakan Negara Kita dengan Negara lain dimana kebanyakkan rakyat negara jiran (Thailand, Indonesia, Vietnam mahupun Burma) masih dikediami orang rakyat asal (dengan kata lain Bumipurera)

    Negara-Negara Jiran kita mengalami masalah dari segi economi atas sebab yang sama (Masalah komunikasi)

    Tetapi Malaysia terdapat banyak warganegara berasal dari Negara lain (Mainly India dan China) (about over 30% of Malaysia are not malays) ini sedikit sebanyak meyukarkan pengunaan satu bahasa

    Pada masa sekarang masih wujud perpisahan kaum dimana banyak rakyat Melayu masih bertumpu di kampung, kaum Cina dibandar dan India in Estate. Sudah tentu pergaulan Masyarakat adalah minimum.

    Generasi Muda, di taman perumahan bandar pula lebih selesa bermain PS2/3 /Gameboy /Iphone atau ke complex membeli-belah. kebanyakkan aktiviti megurangan interaksi antara manusia dan mengunaan bahasa English lebih kerap digunakan sebab kita lebih kenal nama barang dalam bahasa English berbanding Bahasa Malaysia.

    Memang wujud masalah pergaulan di Malaysia. Di Taman saya, saya boleh kira pakai jari sahaja jiran melayu saya. Jiran saya banyak India dan cina, adakah wajar saya perlu pindah ke tempat lain.

    Saya dapat berinteraksi dengan bangsa lain sebab saya sekolah kebangsaan. itu pun sebab terpaksa menaiki bas awam untuk kesekolah dulu.

    Dengan banyak masalah dan gejala sosial sekarang, ibubapa lebih memilih sekolah. kadang- kadang kawasan sekolah juga menjadi issue.

    Menyalahkan Sekolah Ventricular adalah salah kerana tidak semua yang belajar di sekolah Kebangsaan pandai berbahasa Malaysia dan bukan semua yang bersekolah Ventricular tidak fasih bahasa Malaysia.

    Jadi kenapa menjadikan Sekolah Ventricular sebagai kambing hitam.

    Adakah pemansuhan Sekolah Ventricular dapat menjamin kefasihan bahasa Melayu/Malaysia ? jika anda ataupun tenaga Pengajar Sekolah dapat menjamin dimana seorang pelajar bukan melayu boleh berbahasa sebaik dan sefasih seperti Melayu saya tidak ada masalah ?

    Saya tidak percaya sebab Bahasa juga sebahagian daripada Tradisi dan pegangan Kaum bukan Melayu. Adakah ia adil untuk meninggalkan Adat/Pegangan seseorang.

    kefasihan bahasa bergantung kepada individu,

    System Pendidikan adalah betujuan mendidik Anak-anak muda dan memberi ilmu.

    ini adalah sama seperti issue Science and Maths in English yang dibawa oleh kementerian. Kenapa mengubah Science and Maths kepada bahasa Malaysia. ia cuma 2 subject tetapi di tentang atas sebab mengajar dalam bahasa Melayu dikatakan lebih sesuai untuk pemahaman ( atas alasan prestasi Pelajar merosot)

    ada juga golongan yang menentang atas dasar tidak menghormati bahasa Kebangsaan. Jika 10 Kertas SPM dilihat hanya 3 berbahasa Inggeris. adakah ia mengancam Status bahasa Melayu sebagai bahasa Kebangsaan.

    Pemansuhan System Ventricular tidak semestinya memberi jaminan. kita hanya dapat cuba memperbaiki bahasa kita. Kita tidak mungkin mencapai tahap sefasihan seperti orang Melayu walau pun ia bahasa Kebangsaan

    saya setuju mungkin masalah yang lebih serius wujud tetapi tidak ditengahkan atas issue sensitivity.

    like people say “its just the tip of the iceberg”

    issue-issue ini hanya boleh ditengahkan jika perpaduan rakyat kukuh. tepi dasar politik/ ahli politik menyebabkan api perkauman diapi-apikan meyebabkan perpaduan kukah sukar dicapai.

    Salam
    Sk

    1. SK,

      Bahasa adalah bahasa – cara ianya berevolusi adalah apabila ianya ‘digunakan’

      Tidak, saya mengambil contoh negara jiran adalah kerana rakyat mereka digalakkan menggunakan bahasa mereka untuk berkomuniskasi antara satu sama lain. Rakyat mereka itu adalah termasuk mereka yang datang ke negara tersebut dengan ertinya lain, mereka bukan penduduk sebenar negara tersebut.

      Tidak perlulah saya terangkan pada kamu dengan lebih terperinci akan perkara itu, kerana saya pasti kamu mengetahuinya.

      Didalam soal ini penggunaan bahasa kebangsaan, saya tidak melihatnya dari konteks ekonomi, kerana kita tahu dunia sekarang dikuasai oleh bahasa inggeris yang menjadi keutamaan seluruh manusia untuk kuasai khususnya mereka yang berada di dalam bidang-bidang besar seperti perdagangan.

      Tetapi saya melihatnya lebih kepada inti pati masyarakat itu
      sendiri. Dan saya tidak nafikan akan betapa pentingnya untuk menguasai bahasa lain dan pasti begitu juga dengan orang lain.

      Masalah yang besar dihadapi sekarang adalah tidak ada kesedaran atau rasa akan cinta pada bahasa kebangsaan. Tiada halangan dan alasan untuk tidak kita menguasai bahasa kebangsaan hanya
      kerana kekangan pada suatu tahap.

      Dan jika kamu mengambil faktor pergaulan adalah disebabkan mereka bukan melayu tidak fasih atau pun kurang mahir dalam berbicara di dalam Bahasa Kebangsaan, saya rasa kamu silap. Terdapat banyak akan saluran lain untuk mempertingkatkan lagi akan penguasaan Bahasa kebangsaan.

      Kesungguhan itu adalah kuncinya.

      Saya lihat memilih akan ‘Sekolah’ itu adalah salah satu faktor sahaja, kerana kita tahu proses perkembangan minda anak-anak, salah satunya adalah bermulanya di Sekolah.

      Masalah Malaysia sekarang, kita mempunyai batasan di dalam semua tempat. Kita tidak mempunyai akses untuk mendekati sesuatu bangsa dengan hanya tujuan untuk mengenali mereka – disebabkan itu kita kurang bersefahaman dalam hal-hal tertentu.

      Negara ini dibina dengan asas modul acuan seperti itu, dan saya sebagai generasi muda rasa itu adalah kesilapan yang terbesar. Dan kesan akan kesilapan itu sudah mulai lihat dengan jelas akan pada masa sekarang.

      Isu bahasa inggeris dalam matematik dan sains itu, saya tidak ada komen. Kerana bagi saya sama ada ianya digunakan dalam bahasa inggeris atau bahasa melayu, jika tiada kesungguhan untuk menguasai akan subjek itu, pun tiada guna, seperti yang kamu kata, ianya bergantung pada seseorang individu itu.

      Seperti mana saya katakan di komen yang lepas, semua yang terjadi pada masa sekarang adalah bukan datangnya dari dasar politik, tetapi ianya datang dari kita sendiri.

      Dan saudara SK, bagi saya Bahasa Kebangsaan dapat menyatupadukan rakyat Malaysia – kerana dengan Bahasa kita lebih dapat memahami akan seseorang itu biarpun berlainan bangsa dan kepercayaan.

      1. aku berpendapat puncak utama ramai malaysian tidak fasih bahasa kebangsaan kerana kurangnya motivasi dan insentif, ini ada kena mengena dengan dasar kerajaan.

        bahasa merupakan salah satu faktor sahaja untuk menwujudkan rakyat yang kesefahaman lebih mendalam sesama satu lain, tetapi bukan formula atau penyelesaian tunggal menyatupadukan rakyat, lebih lebih lagi aku masih tidak tahu apa jenis perpaduan yang kita puja, adakah mereka yang masing masing berbahasa kebangsaan atau cina atau tamil dapat bersatupadu tanpa sebarang percanggahan?

        however i think you write very well, and sincere.

  38. hehe

    belit belit la SK ni, BM adalah bahasa perpaduan, jadi wajib untuk belajar, bukan untuk tinggalkan bahasa ibunda. perlu ke bahasa inggeris di pelatkan? dengan sebutan yang tidak betul..

    sekolah (J) memang karut, banyak masa para pelajar dihabiskan pada waktu persekolahan, jadi masa ini lah sekolah kebangsaan amat penting perananya

    semenanjung tanah melayu “home land” kepada bangsa melayu yang bertebaran disekitar asia tenggara, plz jgn nafikan
    harga yang diberi potongan itu adalah harga asal, menaikkan harga supaya dapat harga asal setelah dikira harga potongan tersebut.

    burma,vietnam bangla mereka memang boleh berbahasa, saya tak kata boleh mahir pidato, tengok kamu berbelit lagi kalau kamu kata ABGCDEFG kembar kembar siam adakah itu dijadikan alasan untuk tidak mahir berbahasa kebangsaan. bro aku pun fahamlah bahasa inggeris

    sudahlah jangan berbelit belit, nilai posting anda amat berbeza beza jawapanya

    belajarlah menggunakan bahasa kebangsaan

    puiii

  39. Artikel ini dan komen-komen sangat melucukkan. Saya tak pasti kamu tak suka PR ke, tak suka Cina ke, apa.

    Pengarang pun entah nama palsu ke benar orangnya.

    Kamu tahu ke tidak theStar adalah kepunyaan MCA bukan DAP. Kamu nak ketuk, ketuk lah… jangan salahkan pembangkang atau cina keseluruhan pulak.

    Apa ke masalah jika Cina ada longhat sendiri? adakah itu isu yang paling penting bagi kamu semua?

    Kamu semua mengetuk orang yang fasih dalam Bahasa Inggeris, seupama, Bahasa Malaysia adalah lagi penting dari Bahasa Inggeris…. malahan itu bukan masalahnya pun…

    Masalah yang sebenarnya…. pelajaran rakyat yang tak tinggi, tahu satu bahasa sahaja (mana-mana bahasa).

    Insaf lah.

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