‘Nurul Izzah pertikai sekatan beragama‘ — laporan AntaraPos (3 Nov 2012)
Nurul merupakan salah seorang ahli panel di forum membahaskan negara Islam (lihat poster bawah) yang diadakan di sebuah gereja di Subang Jaya, iaitu pusat kegiatan evangelisme DAP.
Selain Nurul, ahli-ahli panel yang lain termasuk:
- mantan presiden Hakam, Malik Imtiaz — (gambar) duduk bersebelahan Hannah Yeoh, dan
- Mujahid Yusof Rawa — (screenshot tweet bawah) lihat balas-membalasnya di Twitter dengan Hannah Yeoh
Siapa Nurul Izzah?
Di awang-awangan Pakatan Lalaland, dia diuar-uarkan untuk menjadi Perdana Menteri Malaysia kelak.
Mengikut Perkara 160 Perlembagaan Persekutuan, seseorang yang mengaku Melayu wajib Islam.
Lantaran itu, kenyataan Nurul yang berbentuk “mana boleh kita kata ‘maaf ini (kebebasan beragama) hanya untuk bukan Islam sahaja’,” wajar diterjemah sebagai mempersoalkan takrif Melayu mengikut undang-undang negara.
Komposisi penduduk
Seorang lagi ahli panel perbincangan di gereja di Subang Jaya itu pada tempoh hari ialah Baru Bian — Adun Kristian pribumi yang dicanangkan para penyokong Pakatan sebagai bakal Ketua Menteri Sarawak.
Sarawak ialah negeri majoriti Kristian dengan mempunyai seramai 1,052,986 orang penganut Kristian berbanding 796,239 Muslim.
Datuk Kenny Ng yang juga turut menjadi ahli panel adalah seorang peguam dan juga pemimpin Evangelical Free Church.
Dengan Nurul menggorak langkah, ia akan membuka jalan bagi usaha-usaha dakwah diperhebatkan lagi di kalangan Melayu oleh evangelis penggerak Occupy Masjid dan jemaah media sosial.
Nota: Pandangan saya secara peribadi ialah semua warga Malaysia, termasuk Melayu, harus diberikan kebebasan memilih agama apa yang hendak dianuti mereka.
Namun saya menjangka huru-hara akan timbul ekoran perkembangan ini memandangkan betapa liciknya evangelis DAP mengambil kesempatan mengeksploitasi keadaan – contohnya DUMC – untuk kepentingan politik mereka.
Pulau Pinang ialah negeri majoriti etnik Cina. Ketua Menteri Pulau Pinang masih enggan mengaku status agamanya secara terbuka.
Helen Ang 
You talk about “my religion” in a church, how appropriate! I’ll talk about your’s in the “shit house”. This on slaught is getting to much! Please keep the touch going, I am sure we will have a bon fire pretty soon, let’s start in Subang Jaya.
Like father like daughter.
Berbicara mengenai perkara yang kontroversi, di gereja evengelis, berbicara mengenai Islam oleh orang2 yang gila publisiti dan oleh umat Islam yg gilakan undi. Suka mendapat pujian org bukan Islam drpd mempertahankan agama sendiri. Apa yg terjadi di gereja tersebut merupakan PLURALISME. Kalau agama lain kata semua agama di dunia sama, sesungguhnya tidak bagi Islam dan penganutnya. Islam tidak sama dengan agama lain.
Slogan PR skg ni Sebangsa, Senegara, Sejiwa, SEAGAMA.
Kak Helen,
bermula dengan yang ini, tak lama lagi nak tukar bangsa pun boleh, nak tukar pasangan pun boleh dan nak tukar itu dan ini pun boleh atas nama kebebasan!
hah, orang Barat macam Romney/Obama pun tak seliberal itu, Izah oi!
makanya, bila Dapster nak undi Nurul Izah jadi PMi? Kat mana? Kat Evangelical City ke?
Setahu saya, Pis yang membooking kerusi berkenaan sampai sanggup beradu untung nasib di Pekan…
dan kalau Pis kensel perjudian nasib di Pekan, apakah Nurul Izah akan memperjudikn nasibnya di sana? Berani ke dia?
with Najib delaying the GE13, bit by bit PR continues to wander straight to the abyss of self-destruction.
Now, our little princess has a lot of explanation to do with Hassan Ali smiling coyly and said ‘I told you so’..
PAS has just got punk’d…..and TDM texting Nik Aziz with a short ‘Who’s your daddy?’ message followed by LMFAO!
Nik Aziz dah berpeluh tu..
Nik Aziz’s reply: celako, celako.
Dear Helen,
If Chinese Vernacular School, Chinese Language and Chinese Media is three main pillar for the Chinese people to make sure their children remain as ‘Chinese’, then for the Malay, Islam, Bahasa Melayu and Malay culture, and the Malay Ruler (Sultan & Raja) is their three pillar.
If you dont like we make a movement to push abolishing SKJ(C) and spend more time to teach the student in SJKC to learn Malay Bahasa because you felt that this will effect your student proficiency in Mandarin, same thing to the Malay that WE DONT LIKE WHEN THE NON-MUSLIM INTERFERE IN ISLAMIC AFFAIR IN MALAYSIA!
I just hope that the Natrah Incident will never occur again in our country.
Remember that the Malay are very sensitive when someone insulting Islam.
Hudud will be imposed on non-Muslims. That’s why a few Chinese have taken an interest or ‘interfered’ by pointing out that those countries practising hudud invariably score the lowest on socio-economic as well as political indicators like ‘failed state’, unrest (frequent bombings, killings, etc), literacy, women’s rights, standard of living, etc.
Chua Soi Lek who gave a piece of his mind is being demonized by DAP as “anti-Islam”.
Therefore, to stop Chinese criticizing hudud/Islamic state, all Malays must vote DAP who will not object if PAS carries out hudud unlike MCA who objects to Umno carrying out hudud.
Dear Helen,
Please dont get me wrong. I always follow your writing, and Im not supporting PAS Hudud.
I just dont like when the non-Muslim (especially the Christian) always asking why the muslim have to there, why the Muslim cant to that, and bla bla bla.. Cant they just respect our religion?
That why I feel a little bit dissapointed when you support murtad. Since I never support any movement to abolish vernacular school. I just hope that we can respect each other.
I miss the 80’s where there are no racial tension. I can easily listening to Francisca Peter and Alleycats regardless that they are not Malay and non-Muslim.
I understand the sensitivities you mention, Eddy. Even the British when they were the colonial masters in Malaya tak berani nak usik akidah orang Melayu. Tetapi si evangelista pendakwah kita ni bukan setakat bodoh sombong malah mereka juga bongkak dan begitu berani untuk menjolok sarang tebuan.
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I’m a liberal. If I were the citizen of a Western country, I would not object if the government permitted the legalization of homosexual relationships but as you know, I’ve not blogged on LGBT issues nor advocated gay rights.
I stated (disclosed) my views on murtad in order to be open and transparent. While I sympathize with Malay individuals caught in the predicament of wanting to leave Islam or other cases of forced conversion such as children in custody battles, at the same time I realise that removing the restraints on apostasy will open the floodgates for the evangelista to go on a conversion spree.
Negara akan jadi kucar-kacir.
I do realise that some personal views such as mine on freedom of religion and many other freedoms may not be practicable given the reality of our situation.
While I would support apostasy laws/enforcement to be relaxed for those individuals genuinely in a dilemma (say someone like Tan Yimin , the kidnapped child should she, when she grows up, decide to leave Islam), but with the evangelistas in the picture, such a relaxation will not just only allow the Tan Yimins to get remedy but also allow the aggressive and licik Christians to mendakwah freely to the Malays. This will spark chaos.
I wish to point out a few flaws here.
First of all, the question of vernacular education is often misunderstood by the chauvinist pigs at DJZ and Malay supremacists alike. The purpose of ANY vernacular education is to reach out to the bottom strata of a native community, such as the indigenous people, so as to buffer their transition into the formal national education system. On this point, you should realize that it is perverse to call a primary, secondary and tertiary education in Mandarin as a vernacular education because it is a totally separate path. Similarly, to say that vernacular education is unnecessary is to victimise ethnic minorities whose first language is not Bahasa Melayu.
Just as we all should welcome the debate of SRJK(C), SRJK(T) and ICHSs and the UEC, we should also welcome arguments on the Syariah laws, including Hudud. The jurisdiction accorded to the Syariah court has already affected the judiciary system and the civil laws under the Constitution and created dual paths which sometimes resulted in more conflict than resolutions. How many of you are aware of the Child Act 2001 and the problem family law faces with the Syariah enactments on custodianship, guardianship, adoption or underage marriage? How many of you are aware of the statute limitations in Syariah enactments which makes it technically impossible to punish apostates? So, caught in a bind (not able to sufficiently inflict the penalty as prescribed in the Hadith [according to some narrow interpretations] but neither is willing to make apostasy legal [although it is happening especially for saudara barus who have successfully renounced their conversion], many Malaysians prefer that the law be as vague as the status itself, so that as long as a Muslim does not openly declare his or her apostasy, the matter is fully private and personal.
If the syariah and hudud wishes to gain a strong foothold in Malaysia, the system must clean up its act and understand very quickly that it does not dictate on a theological mandate. The syariah laws in Malaysia currently derives its authority from the Malaysian Constitution and is part of the civil justice system, although Article 121(a) sought to separate the courts. Eddy says that non-Malays or more accurately non-Muslims should butt out of the matter, but let me ask if anyone remembers Subashini, Shamala, Moorthy and Kaliammal?
I’ve been down this road before, and I can assure you that the laws try to separate us as Muslims and non-Muslims, but LIFE is far larger than the narrow courses of the law. Why do you think we need lawyers?
celaka betui. guru kencing berdiri, murid kencing berlari. bapak sokong Islam liberal anak sokong Islam murtad. celaka betui, like father like daughter. agama apakah pegangan dua ekoq ni. semoga Allah menghalang mereka. Amin!
I thought Quran says ‘tiada paksaan dalam Islam’. Then our Federal Constitution by virtue of Article 160 says that one of the requirement of being a Malay is to profess the religion of Islam. A Malay that professes another religion is not a constitutional Malay. Did the Quran said that a particular race must profess Islam only?
Can you elaborate/cite what come before or after those Words (Al-Baqarah 2:256) and what is the story behind it… ?
No, there is no such thing that a muslim should be from so and so race or that malays must be muslim. But as you mentioned in the Constitution a Malay = Muslim by default in Malaysia.
Regarding the Quranic verse you mentioned, its for NON-Muslims, that they cannot be forced or compelled to become muslims.
Anakmalaysia,
Quran does not say a particular race must profess Islam only. But in Malaysia, through the wisdom of our forefathers, Malays who renounce Islam are automatically deemed not a malay anymore. It is not an issue because as far as I know, all Malays are Muslim although i realise how Christian missionary are overzealous in spreading Christian among malay Muslim community.
They foresee that without such a clause, missionary will have a free way to spread Christianity to Malay Muslims. Thanks to a member of Suruhanjaya Reid, one Mr Hamid from india who insisted that Islam is accorded an official status, therefore putting it effectively as a state religion.
Many purposely are silent on one important clause in Constitution that says non Islam religions must not be practised in manners that upset the Muslim community
For any person wh claims to be “Umat Nabi Muhammad SAW”, do remember that the first thing to should PR take over is the tradition of “raja raja”. Once it is gone, the last vestige of old Malaya( as Dr mahathir said), will dissapear. With it, Islam will be reduced as one of the religions oractised with no state religion status.
But if a Malay who renounces Islam can no longer be Malay in Malaysia, then what race does he become? Orang putih? Chinese?
they become Haris Ibrahim…
LOL! i like this 10x!
Like 1000X
Shamsul Anuar,
“Quran does not say a particular race must profess Islam only. But in Malaysia, through the wisdom of our forefathers, Malays who renounce Islam are automatically deemed not a malay anymore.”
So, the ‘paksaan’ to profess Islam on the Malays is actually imposed by the Constitution and not by the religion of Islam itself. Does it mean that the ‘tiada paksaan’ verse in the Quran has been overridden by our Constitution? Do we follow the Constitution or the Quran?
“Many purposely are silent on one important clause in Constitution that says non Islam religions must not be practised in manners that upset the Muslim community”
Which clause is that? Article 11(4)? Is there a verse in the Quran that says the same?
AnakMalaysia,
No compulsion in religion. Meaning no one should be forced to embrace islam.
You are wrong to assume “paksaan” to profess Islam. But it is not surprising. It happened many centuries ago especially in christianity. choice were given to Natives to convert or die.
There is no “paksaan” to embrace islam. What i stress is the definition of Malay. One of the criteria is he must be a muslim.
We follow both AlQuran and Constitution. Because of adhering to quranic spirit that vast majority of Malays and the Govt (meaning UMNO) insist that “allah” cant be used by Christians. Sharing the name will eventually leads to sharing of Akidah and this affect the very foundation of Islam.
To Malays, I believe that is worse than Portuegese invasion of Malacca.
Shamsul Anuar,
Let us be more specific on the following points:-
1. Islam says there is no compulsion. To what extent is the applicability of the said notion? For sure, it applies to non-believers. Just like what you said “Meaning no one should be forced to embrace islam.” I assume that your term of ‘no one’ refers to non-Muslims. Whether from the constitutional or Islamic perspectives, the answer is very clear. Do you agree?
2. What about a non-Muslim who has professed Islam and now decides to renounce Islam? For example, a Buddhist Chinese converted to Islam in order to marry a Malay Muslim in Malaysia. Subsequently, the marriage ended in divorce and the said person wanted to revert to Buddhism by renouncing Islam. Can Islam allow that? Will the Constitution allow that too?
3. What about a person born as a Muslim and now wants to renounce Islam? For example, a Malay baby born to Muslim parents and upon reaching the age of majority he now wants to renounce Islam. Will both Islam and Constitution allow this to happen?
tiada paksaan bagi bukan Islam memeluk Islam. tapi jika orang yang sudah Islam mau murtad (keluar Islam), dan jika dinasihati bertaubat dia engkar, maka dia akan dihukum pancung. bagi yang cuba memurtadkan umat Islam, apa pula hukumannya?
perlembagaan boleh dicabar oleh manusia. tapi hukum Allah tiada siapa dapat melawan. tunggulah di hari pembalasan wahai nurul izzah.
Hopefully, she got what she deserves earlier than hari kiamat – for the sake of Muslims in Malaysia (especially). Accidents Do happens isnt it?..fingers crossed ( note: just figure of speech ya..not salib style) hehehe
I am sorry IDA, sumber surah Quran mana yang engkau petik tu wajibkan yang murtad dipancung? Kalau mahkamah syariah tak dapat laksanakan hukuman pancung atau penjara seumur hidup, apa ceritanya sekarang? Kita dok mai buat bodo aje?
Allah akan tentukan hukumannya dalam soal akidah, bukan manusia. Akidah tak boleh pegang, tak boleh ramas dan tak boleh dinilai dengan liltian serban, kopiah atau jubah.
tanya ustaz yang sebenar. aku bukan ustaz. atau kalau rajin baca hujah ust zaharuddin yang panjang dan lengkap dalil.
http://zaharuddin.net/aqidah-&-kepercayaan/155-jawapan-kekeliruan-penentang-hukuman-murtad.html
Sumber Hukum bukan Quran saja, ada Hadith, Ijma & Qias, dll
Kadang-kadang masalahnya kita tidak ingin membaca atau mempelajari apa yang sudah ada depan di mata.
http://www.e-fatwa.gov.my/fatwa-negeri/fatwa-mengenai-orang-islam-yang-cuba-keluar-dari-agama-islam-murtad-di-malaysia-amnya
I.D.A. petik sumber sebarangan dan mengatakan itu daripada ustaz zaharuddin. Maaf, I.D.A. tak sedar ke itu sumbangan artikel anonymous “Penulis Tamu” dan laman web itu sendiri menyatakan “* Tulisan dan isi kandungan artikel ini tidak semestinya mengambarkan pendirian dan pandangan pemilik web site ( Ust Zaharuddin Abd Rahman).”
Untuk kupasan yang jauh lebih teliti dan bernas, saya sarankan kertas pembentangan penyelidik USIM.
Click to access murtad-perspektif-undang2-malaysia.pdf
Cuba fahami bahawa Zulkifli berpendapat di Malaysia yang ada hanyalah perundangan “keluar agama Islam” dan bukan “murtad”.
Ramai yang berbuih mulut berbicara tentang apa yang diperkatakan oleh Nurul. Bagi saya, selagi masyarakat kita live in a state of denial, selagi itulah apa-apa diskusi akan berpusing di lekuk yang lama.
Surely there is no compulsion to embrace Islam. Dare to elaborate recent hot news “Polis Berjaya Selamatkan Gadis Dikurung Kerana Peluk Agama Islam…. Berlaku Di Taman Soon Choon Ipoh”?
The girl who embraced Islam voluntarily was forced to revert back and was saved by police. The forcing part was unlawful and what the police did was constitutional.
Whenever a muslim want to apostate, we never force him back to Islam. By right, we want to save him.
Maaf mencelah… pandangan aku.. kalau lah orang evangelistas ni tau ape balasan dari Allah kerana mengajak dan memurtadkan orang Islam jadi kafir.. aku pasti mereka terkejut badak… tau la depa nanti… besar dosa tu… dosa yang Allah takkan ampunkan… nauzubillah.. tolonglah.. janganla murtadkan orang Islam.. you evangelistas will regret forever..