Hannah Yeoh kutuk papan tanda KLIA yang menyatakan bahawa Malaysia sebuah negara selamat dan aman sentosa. Dia menretweet bahawa ini “satu penipuan” (a sad lie).
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Petikan ucapan Lim Guan Eng sempena pelancaran Paradigma Pulau Pinang (PPP), iaitu rancangan 10 tahun untuk membangunkan negerinya tersebut.
PPP dilancarkan Ketua Menteri itu kelmarin di kompleks membeli-belah MidValley di Kuala Lumpur. Sebelum itu, ia dilancarkan seminggu awal (Feb 23) di Pulau Pinang.
Kata Lim Guan Eng:
“Since Merdeka, 2 million Malaysians and Penangites, especially talented young people, have left because of lack of educational opportunities, lack of economic opportunities, discrimination, corruption and lack of social justice.”
Tambahnya lagi:
“This state of affairs cannot be allowed to continue.”
Helen Ang 
Dear Helen,
What your post is about? Incorrect figure? 200 left instead of 2 million?
What is the correct figure then?
Malaysian do have a lot of inaccurate figures on Bersih 2.0, Bersih 3.0 and KL112.
Please provide the actual numbers. Thank you.
http://www.tindakmalaysia.com/showthread.php/1783-Immigrants-and-Emigrants-Facts-and-Figures
Aiyah!!! so what? Saya seorang mak cik Bumiputera yang dinamik, Saya berhijrah ke luar negara dah 4 tahun sebab saya nampak peluang di luar negara lebih baik dan saya mahu berkongsi pengalaman Malaysia membangunkan negaranya. Gaji 4x ganda di sini, kalau nak balik, bila-bila masa dan kerajaan BN tentunya menyediakan berbagai kemudahan untuk rakyatnya. Jadi orang berhijrah bukan soal peluang, tetapi mungkin gaji yang rendah. Kerajaan sekarang pun sedang melaksanakan transformasi nasional ingin menjadikan Malaysia negara berpendapatan tinggi. Negara Malaysia, negara yang maju dan rakyat Malaysia dihormati diserata dunia.
Jadi Guan Eng jangan jadi kolot lah dan tak payahlah menyalahkan kerajaan BN!
Too bad Lim Guan Eng is not included.
guan eng bawa lah semua orang cina hijrah keluar dari bumi malaysia.
agree with noname. lge pls add yourself into the number 2million and 1. or better still add your family, father, father in law, grand father, grea great grand father and the whole clan of lim…wa aman malaysia…
Macam ni pemimpin tertinggi DAP berbicara?
Atas dasar apa dan mana faktanya? Mana bukti ada rakyat Malaysia yg dinafi hak mendapat pendidikan spt disebut?
Kalau setakat main petik ajer anak aku pun boleh jadi KM Penang!!
Ya memang tragik, sehingga ketua menteri pun terpaksa import dari Johor…
Dia tak undi utk diri sendiri… tetapi dia calonkan sendiri sebagai CM
Tokong LGE mewakili kualiti haprak pemimpin DAP
The issue on Malaysia not being safe, we probably need to ask Kim Guan Eng for his opinion. He did claim that Johor wasn’t safe so maybe that’s why he decided to parachute himself as the CM of Penang. Thing is, so many gangland style shooting there recently. And they even have a vigilante group of hooligans under the CM’s auspices.
As for emigration, I believe it’s a personal choice. You can do so for a multitude of reasons. For career advancement, economic reasons, educational ones & maybe (I’m assuming ok) if Gan Ping Seu actually emigrate it is because of a lovely park bench with views that wows & terribly impressed him.
I did my time away from Malaysia. I had a taste of Singapore, Oz & Europe. But my heart was firmly back home so asking for a transfer back is a no brainer even if it meant a pay cut.
Just because you emigrate, that don’t always mean that you’re running away from a messed up country . And I find it loathsome that Hannah harps on the fact she returned as a badge of honor signifying her commitment to “change”. Fact is, and she admitted as much herself, she didn’t qualify for a PR in Oz.
Tokong LGE – We look forward to your joining them! You are salah seorang rakyat Malaysia yang paling tak berguna di negara ini. Suka sakitkan hati orang dan suka ajak gaduh. Sedarlah yang you memang tak ada ciri-ciri seorang pemimpin yang cemerlang, gemilang dan terbilang.
A facebook friend from Sri Lanka (working in Afgan) shared this with me. Malaysia is one of the top countries to go to: http://tinyurl.com/cxae48n
2 juta orang Malaysia telah berhijrah.
hendak saya tanya 1 soalan. dari mana beliau dapat angka 2 juta itu ? adakan beliau mendapat angka itu dari kerajaan negara-negara yang menerima orang Malaysia sebagai contoh Australia ? kalau beliau kata 2 juta orang Malaysia telah berhijrah, sudah tentu beliau juga mampu memberi komposisi orang Malaysia dan negara-negara terbabit yang menerima orang Malaysia.
seperti biasa, beliau hanya cakap besar. memperbesarkan isu. saya tidak hairan dengan karenah Lim Guan Eng. pandai buat lawak. yang ironi dia tak perasan yang aksi lawak dia tu tak lawak pun.
apa yang boleh diperkatakan tentang keperibadian Lim Guan Eng ? apakan perwatakan sebenar beliau ?
keperibadian, perwatakan Lim Guan Eng mencerminkan kegagalan Lim Kit Siang sebagai seorang bapa dalam tugas, tanggungjawab mendidik seorang anak.
Lim Kit Siang tidak kenal apa tu keaiban. apabila seorang anak membuat sesuatu, misalnya berbohong, yang mendapat aib tu bapanya.
AI,
Jadi apakah angka sebenar kalau bukan 2 juta? Ada baiknya jika kamu dapat memberikan angka yang jitu supaya boleh dijadikan rujukan.
barangkali awak datang ke sini untuk mencari pasal. baca komen saya semula. tidak pernah sekalipun saya kata saya ada angka orang Malaysia yang telah berhijrah. kalau saya ada angka sebenar orang Malaysia yang telah berhijrah, saya tidak akan mengemukakan soalan :
“dari mana beliau dapat angka 2 juta itu ? adakan beliau mendapat angka itu dari kerajaan negara-negara yang menerima orang Malaysia sebagai contoh Australia ? kalau beliau kata 2 juta orang Malaysia telah berhijrah, sudah tentu beliau juga mampu memberi komposisi orang Malaysia dan negara-negara terbabit yang menerima orang Malaysia.”
daripada reaksi anda, rata-rata anda cuba mengelirukan para pembaca dengan sengaja mengalih fokus soalan yang telah saya ketengahkan.
AI,
Tak usah rasa tersinggung. Maksudnya kamu mengganggap angka 2 juta itu sebagai salah tetapi pada masa yang sama tidak mempunyai jawapannya? Kalau kamu tiada angka yang sebenarnya, berdasarkan apa kamu nak mempertikaikan angka 2 juta itu?
Keadaan sebenarnya begini abang.
Apabila seorang rakyat Malaysia dapat kumpul RM2 juta dari negara yang tidak ada peluang ini, maka dia pun emigratelah kerana dia sangka dia boleh hidup tak habis makan sampai cucu-cicit disana. Apabila dia tinggal di sana (mana-mana negeri first world lah) duit dia nak beli rumah pangsa pun tak cukup, maka dia pun baliklah ke Malaysia nak himpun lagi 2 juta. Tak caya tanya Tommy Thomas.
Yang pi balik pi balik tu dari dulu sampai sekarang adalah lebihkurang 2 juta orang. Itulah angkanya yang sebenar. Jangan singgung ya!
LGE is in the TEMPURUNG…
People migrate is to find better opportunities, some not able to compete here.. some really love other country more than Malaysia.. so it is their choice..
Does all the American migrate oversea is because of the same reason LGE have stated??
it is well known that those making the loudest noises are those unable to migrate while those that do migrate, have migrated tend to do so quietly.
Dear Helen,
1. When HannahYeoh tweet that it is a sad lie of Malaysia being advertised as most safest & peaceful country, she should check the facts that she were born here and her parents too.
Even she was married to a different ethnic and gave birth to two kids with a confused identity she herself created. Is it not that it all happens in a most safest & peaceful country? Well, she already confused her life and still trying to confuse others.
2. LGE said 2 millions? Hahahaha….what a joker! So many and this 2 millions should be there as mail voters that will help BN….!
I wonder why there is great stupidity for a ‘leader’ to simply come-up with unchecked facts and figures with today’s fast moving information access. Or probably our modern information technology is only a useful tool to spread propaganda which may be correct in the ‘sepet’ eyes and ‘tiny’ brain of the DAPsters…..!
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LGE said two million since Merdeka, so 56 years is quite a long time frame for his 2m numbers. It’s possible. — Helen
Helen,
People migrate for many reasons. It could be that the job abroad pays a lucrative amount. and i come across a rich lady who migrates to Melbourne as his husband takes a younger wife. A case of broken heart I guess.
and I have a ex colleague who migrated to Melbourne and proudly told me when i visited him 2 years ago that he cant stand discrimination( meaning by Malay led Govt) in Malaysia.
I told him whatever misgiving he has with the land where he was born , he must never forget the good mannerism of according respect to the very land that shelters his entire family for decades. He changed the subject then.
Malaysia may not be the safest or richest country on this planet. It has its fair share of weaknesses too, some are quite glaring. But it also has a fair share of stories that inspires. Many times I repeat the generosity of Malay Rulers who granted citizenship en bloc in manner not heard elsewhere. Again I said that at strokes of 9 pens by Nine Malay Rulers, Kit Siang who has nothing good to say about Malays changed from being “pendatang” to citizen of a new country.
As for Guan eng, he has yet to grow up. Decades being a spoilt “son of heaven” in DAP inner circle tends to make him blind that outside DAP he is considered childish, petty with habit to manipulate. Just like his father
Why does Hannah Yeoh say she “lives for God”?
Anyway, this type of issue, immigration and numbers is just the type of LaRouche politics that PR engages in to obfuscate from deeper systemic issues that they have no intention of correcting or have no idea how to correct.
my take on :
“the type of LaRouche politics that PR engages in to obfuscate from deeper systemic issues that they have no intention of correcting or have no idea how to correct”
why would they PR, or for that matter BN, or any other party, be interested in correcting those issues ?
after all, the very existence of these political parties will be at stake if they were to address these issues. sad to say, despite the multi-racialism as “propagated” by both BN and PR, their constituents are not likely to sign up for any “efforts” to correct the said systemic issues.
Excellent response, Ahmad.
As I argued on the Hindraf thread, the system is predicated on the racial expectations of Malaysians being bartered in lieu of a Malaysian identity/interest. .
Truth be told I do not blame UMNO/BN for this or at least I do not blame UMNO/BN for doing what they know best.
I do abhor PR for claiming that they are attempting a change of paradigm but instead what they are doing is creating a whole different set of problems using the UMNO/BN paradigm.
I can’t agree any less, Conrad.
while I personally believe, and this is my personal opinion, that both BN and PR are not going to attempt to resolve these systemic issues, as that would be the equivalent of committing political suicide, I do believe, and most of us here are already witnessing, that there will be an escalation of online verbal assaults based solely on crude and brutish behavior by the constituents of both sides of the political divide which, if left unattended, will make our society much more polarized.
I would like to know where did LGE got his numbers from? If I remember correctly the figure was 1 million based on the research by World Bank.But that was not emigration but more about the number of Malaysians who are living overseas. Many of them are students and I don’t think all of them have left the country for good.
Many people who move on is not necessarily for the reasons given by LGE but for career progression and opportunities and education.
Millions of Americans and Australians too work overseas. In fact I had written in reply to Tony on the issue of World Bank report that Singapore has the highest emigrants in terms of ratio of population.Does this mean Singapore lacks social justice and is corrupted ?
Many Malaysians are in Singapore, the Middle East and China . Why would they leave Malaysia and go to places where they have even less democratic rights, corruption and repressive policies ?
BTW, I would like to know how many Penangites did LGE managed to lure back after he had established the Pakatan’s version of meritocratic Utopia in Penang? I would say it would be close to zero. In fact LGE actually lost some key leaders within his own team to overseas. What does that say about him ?
Did the World Bank ‘one million’ figure cover a specific period of time? LGE did say “since Merdeka”, so he’d be referring to 56 years all in all. Spanning half century would not make the numbers sound so outlandish.
The issue with LGE is more that he’s using the narrative to menghasut and his style of politics is to stir dissatisfaction. His statement (this one) reminds me of when he previously said Johor had a high crime rate, and it’s also parochial, i.e. Penang-centric like he’s making out that Penang is better than the other states.
a friend of mine is staying in Australia. he’s been there for over 20 years, since he was 12. first for high school then for university. and he’s still a Malaysian citizen. he has PR status. he would visit us from time to time, at least twice a year. now is this friend of mine considered to have immigrated to Australia ? if we interpret “migrate” as having taken on the citizenship of another country, then this friend of mine is still a Malaysian because he still has Malaysian citizenship.
although I do not have the exact number, obviously, the number 2 million is dubious, so again, obviously, LGE is playing with the semantics again with the intention to menghasut.
LGE used the word “2 million people …………. have left…………”. It has a broad meaning. It will include your PR Australian friend. Your friend is still a Malaysian for namesake. But he contributes his tax money, expertise and knowledge to Australia instead of Malaysia.
Helen,
In my opinion, whether the number is 1 mil or 2 mil is secondary. The primary concern is the growth rate of people leaving Malaysia. Please refer here:-
http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/4/30/business/8574918
I cite the relevant paragraph:-
“The Malaysian diaspora is large and expanding, with a conservative estimate of about 1 million worldwide last year. The diaspora has quadrupled over the last 30 years, and is geographically concentrated and ethnically skewed.”
Hence the pertinent question is:-
Why more and more people are leaving Malaysia for the past 30 years?
benjamin & others: Read the attached link. This was my answer to the World Bank survey and should also answer all your questions too.
http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/opinion/2011/06/24/human-capital-outflow-beautiful-lies-and-hard-truths/
Dear Calvin,
Many thanks for responding. I have read your reply to the World Bank report. You disputed the findings of the World Bank.
I don’t mean to offend you, but may I know if ‘Calvin Sankaran’ is your real name? May I also know your academic credentials and association that you are attached to. Is there any empirical basis on your reply? Lastly, may I know if your reply to the WB report is cited or referred by some one else.
Thanks.
Helen,the WB only stated about a million Malaysians work /live overseas and not the the number who had actually left the country. So there was no time frame involved.
But obvious we can make some good guesses. If 2 million people have left but only 1 million are now still working & living, then it could be the missing 1 million
(1) Have died
(2) Returned to Malaysia
(3) Don’t exist
I think the likely answer is No (3). This is a number that the Merchant of Hate cooked up himself.
I think what he’s trying do is to use the number of people who had returned back to India and China after deciding they don’t want to be Malaysian citizen. These people are not Malaysians at all. LGE is just using statistics to fool people that’s all – just his usual strategy of BS.
“Since Merdeka” is a period of 56 years. If the World Bank says that one million Malaysians are working and living abroad, it’s not that inconceivable that another million might have left our shores between 1957 and 2011 (the year of the WB report).
If these 1 million are not currently living and working as of 2011, what happened to them then ?
If they were 40 years old at the time of leaving Malaysia, and let’s say that they left in 1970, then they’d be 83 years old today.
i am not going to dispute the 2Mil, it’s a coulda, woulda, sorta scenario .. but, out of this number, how many actually hold a high profile jobs? I have Malaysian friends who live abroad who worked in fast food joints, shop managers, housewives and prostitutes/rent boys (i have colourful friends!).
If memory serves me well, there was news on UK giving amnesty to overstayed Msians who seems not being able to find their way to Heathrow a few years back. Our overstayed cases were so bad that UK actually ponder on the possibility of making Msians apply for entry visa (commonwealth my arse, says the UK immigration).
On another note, how about LGE focus on the braindrain in Penang. How many has moved out or ‘forcibly’ moved out from Penang in the span of the last 5 years?
Don’t go telling us that you, LGE needs genuine public participations.. someone from CAP did i believe, and what did you call him way back then?
Penang Paradigm, you say? Bitch, pleaseeee… If there’s any paradigm shift that needs to happen now, it’s the realisation that you LGE is a whack job.
According to WB bank the rate of migration increased 4 folds in the last 30 years. If 2 million people indeed left Malaysia, I would assume at least 1.5 million would be still alive as of 2011.
BTW,Juwita Suwito is someone depnds so much on the govt’s programmes and projects to cari makan yet sees fit to make a mockery of the country. Another case of gunting?
Of all the appeals to emotions issues, this one ranks pretty high on the dumb list of most Malaysians.
They left, we stayed and it is up to us to make changes if we care to. All this talk of “those who left” or enticing “them to return”, fuck that.
Take the stupid overseas voting/voters issue, what do some people expect ?
Like the Riders of Rohan charging onto Pelenor Fields, these people will save us from the Dark Lord of Mordor ?