Malaysia Today yesterday aggregated my posting ‘Hindraf Q & A’. There is a comment there from regular M2Day commenter temenggong, which I’m reproducing below.
temenggong, March 17, 2013 19:44:44
“the chinese and christians fantasize over racist and bigoted analogies, as in this instance. I cannot recall buddhists and hindus having any hostile agenda, ever, in any part of the world! Is is it hard to understand for the muslim/malay mind?
BN will win, but without a two third majority, therefore it is important for parties [ ]
After the elections there will be severe payback/culling. It is for you to read that as 200 listed companies taken down/changing hands.
Did you really think the rest of us have no anger? That we don’t know how to respond?”
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It does not end with polling day
Opposition supporters are under the illusion that after the election is over and done with, the political madness will be at an end.
Wrong.
It’ll only mark the beginning of a new chapter because as temenggong says, the payback is to come: “Did you really think the rest of us have no anger? That we don’t know how to respond?”
“Anger”
My blog has moderated more than 21,500 reader comments to date. M2Day would have moderated comments many thousand-fold this number.
Raja Petra Kamarudin has been manning M2Day since 2004 and as web admin he knows what commenters in the English-language new media are like.
Over the last year or so, Raja Petra has been cautioning his Bangsar Malaysia readership that their Malay-and-Muslim bashing has gone too far. Actually my Malay friends have been complaining to me about the Dapster’s abusive aggression since several years ago.
The success of the Chinese opposition in 2008 released the floodgates of non-Malay hope, frustration and anger that has been long pent up. This is something I can understand. However in the larger scheme of things, the past five years of opposition gains has been a case of taking one step forward and two steps back.
Screenshot below: The tweet is from the Damansara Utama Methodist Church (DUMC)
No stopping the Dapsters
Raja Petra has tried the carrot approach by appealing to them berhemahlah sikit.
More recently he tried the stick approach, writing on March 11:
“Anyway, as I said, Malaysia Today, too, has its share of hecklers who do not address, rebut or reply to the points in the article or report. They totally ignore the issues and instead just heckle. And these are the people I respond to with my sarcastic comments. It is not so much bringing myself down to their level but more to give them a taste of their own medicine.”
Their level is rock bottom
There is this popular quote — “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”
Can the Dapster behaviour be tempered (made to tone down) if you give them a taste of their own medicine? Alas, it looks like the answer is ‘No’.
I tested the water with my posting ‘Lowyat trolls need to be taught the Bung Moktar lesson’ (see the Sabah Umno MP’s tweeted reply above, screenshot). It was a failed experiment.
Reminders to the opposition supporters about Newton’s Third Law of Motion – ‘For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction’ – only falls on deaf ears.
The ‘green’ fist
The poster below was put up in Haris Ibrahim’s ABU (Asal Bukan Umno) blog on 7 Jan 2013.
As early as 27 Nov 2012, I had posted ‘Perarakan Himpunan Hijau di KL berbaur pengaruh politik DAP‘.
I followed up on 13 Dec 2012 with ‘DAP, pembangkang ada tangan dalam anti-Lynas’ and on 1 Feb 2013, ‘Kempen gerakan anti-Lynas untuk tumbangkan BN dalam PRU13‘.
That was some four months ago and I was viciously attacked by Chinese bloggers who claimed that Himpunan Hijau was a purely environmental concern.
Well now look.
Blog House president Syed Akbar Ali has described the entire Wong Tack episode in one word – munafikism.
SAA blogged: “It means hypocrisy. They say they are angels, whiter than white, holier than holy. It is all bullshit.”
“Hypocrisy”
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‘Ubah’ back to front
When I wrote last November that the Himpunan Hijau demo in the heart of KL was coated the colour DAP politics, I was vilified.
Now the facts prove that I was right — the so-called ‘green’ movement chairman is standing as a DAP parliamentary candidate.
It wasn’t too long ago that Wong Tack threatened to burn down the Lynas plant. Today he has Ubah to declare that it might be alright after all for Lynas to operate if they came in through the front door.
Look who’s always vilifying others as “unethical” (screenshots below)
Cyberslandering
Like how Rocky puts it, I’m “the Queen of Pain in the ass of Lim Guan Eng, the Komtar troopers’ paymaster himself” and hence the attacks on me do not defy Dapster logic.
However it is not only political writers who are attacked but just about any Chinese individual who airs a contrary opinion to the DAP worldview.
A medical practitioner who exposed the anti-Lynas propaganda Datuk Dr Looi Hoong Wah revealed:
“Pictures of a children with cerebral palsy, mental retardation as well as many other pictures with congenital defects and leukaemia from the Bukit Merah area has been used repeatedly to instil fear into the unsuspecting naive population of Malaysia in a very sick attempt to link Lynas to these terrible illnesses.
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“The link between congenital defects, cerebral palsy and radiation in Bukit Merah are misinformations maliciously created by the anti-Lynas folks!”
Dr Looi became the object of a hate campaign and receiving threats in the same mould as the Facebook (detergent ad) Girl when he reprimanded, “Only people with ulterior motives would use pictures and videos of these unfortunate patients whose disorders have nothing to do with radiation to score political points!”
Even the DAP followers’ own children were pawned during the anti-Lynas street protests.
Dr Looi commented that “they are being made used of by very unscrupulous, irresponsible and despicable people who exploit their misfortune for DIRTY POLITICAL GAINS !”
This too he said months ago. And Dr Looi has been proven right.
Cyberbullying
The key word is “enabling”. There must be “enablers” for this cyberbullying to take place.
Dr Looi traces the roots of the anti-Lynas movement by quoting one Jade Lee:
“’It may enlighten some readers here, if you are open minded enough to listen and to learn the truth, IT WAS A FEW CHURCH LEADERS IN KUANTAN who have first started to discuss the Lynas issue and to raise awareness of their congregation to oppose this project.’ Unquote” (see here).
Papa Dapster actually said that Lynas is a “NUCLEAR REACTOR“, screenshot above of TMI article (8 Sept 2012).
Dr Looi further explains:
“Once the madness started, a few of the local Chinese Newspapers, picked up the story and amplified the fear by persistently reporting on every word that the anti-lynas say, even though they are something that is obviously absurd.. like the Lynas plant is a nuclear plant and is going to explode and spread radioactivity all over the country.”
The Kuantan church leaders had access to the Chinese media.
With the English media both online/broadcast and print, it is the Christians who are in control.
The Chinese polity have allowed the Dapsters to take the wheel. The Christian community have allowed the evangelistas to sit in the driver’s seat.
Cyberslandering and cyberbullying are not being carried out by autobots. It is flesh and blood Bangsar Malaysians who are running the show. When you meet them in ‘real’ life, you will find that they behave just like the Dapsters and the Jerusubangites.
Helen Ang 
after the Malay Muslim bashing, definately the Malay Muslim will be UNITED under UMNO-
The Indians who have been left out of the Dapster tidal wave to grotesque power will be voting Barisan…
I can see that this will be another Sarawak PRN domino effect.. the payback time will means no Chinese Reps in The August House for The ruling coalition …no voice…
remember what TDM used to say…”you whisper (MCA/Gerakan being a coalition member) I will listen, but if you shout (DAP with its gangster way) , I will throw you out”
Big deal!
If you want a rerun of what happened in the past….
The world has changed. “Revenge” and “retribution” are no longer possible, unless you want to descend into collective madness.
The international justice system may be slow, but it grinds surely to conclusions.
As the ICC trials show, genocide, racial cleansing, religious wars and the like will noi longer be tolerated by the international community.
So, what exactly are you trying to prove?
Don’t talk about the international justice system. We will have foreign troops landing on our soil in the name of so-called ‘humanitarian intervention’ before the ICJ opens their folders.
US carrier groups on the South China Sea. UN economic sanctions. China and India making their moves. The Selat Melaka and South China Sea are very strategic waters.
Singapore will take action to secure its water supply and a buffer zone as ‘insurance’ against a fascist anti-Chinese anti-Indian regime.
As Helen claims, they can’t tell the difference between a Bumiputera and non-Bumiputera Christian. If so, we will see flareups on East Malaysia. The Filipinos will make their move on Sabah.
The end result will be a fragmented Malaysia with territorial losses. Our economy which is built on manufacturing, finance, and resources will be gone. All Malaysians, Malay, Chinese, Indian, you, me, will lose out.
Eh? You say, “As Helen claims, they can’t tell the difference between a Bumiputera and non-Bumiputera Christian.”
What do you mean and when, where did I say that?
“It will be collective punishment. The Christian natives of Sabah & Sarawak / Orang Asli may be punished like with stricter restrictions on the use of Allah.”
Helen Ang | Mac 18, 2013 at 4:26 pm
Hullo, don’t put words in my mouth lah.
How in the world can what I said about the Christian natives of Sabah & Sarawak / Orang Asli being collectively punished for the sins of the evangelistas
be made to relate to what you claim, i.e. there is a fascist anti-Chinese regime that can’t tell the difference between a Bumiputera and non-Bumiputera Christian?
I’m not putting words in your mouth. I am quoting what you said. Unless you are that absent minded or worse, have no idea of what you are writing.
No, you’re not. Your putar belit is just like those fellas who accuse Dr M of saying that Umno is “parti syaitan” for using the expression ‘better the devil you know’.
They will insist that, well, Dr M himself said the word “devil” what.
Look, if you point out a genuine mistake, I would retract like I did the Klang calculations which was wrong math. I have no issues striking out the miscalculated material as errata.
However, take your putar-belit which deliberately puts a false context to my remark about “collective punishment” by saying that “As Helen claims, they [the “fascist anti-Chinese anti-Indian regime”] can’t tell the difference between a Bumiputera and non-Bumiputera Christian”.
Your behaviour only reinforces the stereotype that opposition supporters are ultra kiasu.
So WHO will be giving collective punishment to the Christian natives of Sabah & Sarawak / Orang Asli like with stricter restrictions on the use of Allah?
Collective persecution or punishment on social groups are usually the habits of those too lazy to think, or unable to tell the difference.
You accuse me of putar-belit and ultra-kiasu, but you are actually doing the putar-belit as a method of debate with ultra-kiasu behavior. I have read several of your past articles, and I would say it is mostly putar belit.
It is also interesting to note ‘ultra-kiasu’ was coined by a person who now faces charges of plagiarism. Copying other people’s work and passing it as yours is the hallmark of ultra-kiasuness, to quote my friend.
I was right, it is the habit of pro Barisan sycophants to contradict themselves before the end of their sentence.
Disclaimer: I am not saying you support RT or are a plagiarist
I’m well aware that “ultra kiasu” is a word synonymous with RT’s columns just as “Jerusubang” is with this blog (although I don’t personally own the patent).
However reluctant I am to borrow RT’s intellectual property, I could think of no better one to describe you.
As for the Christians, do you really think that the Muslim authorities are unable to differentiate between Malay-speaking Sabah & Sarawak native Christians and the non-Malay Christians here in the peninsula
isif they choose to enforce a blanket ban (collective punishment)?If they can tell the difference, why will there be collective punishment? Why would Christian natives of Sabah & Sarawak / Orang Asli be persecuted?
Let me articulate my view on DAP’s election strategy.
I have mentioned before on my comments on Hindraf that the minority will able to exert leverage far beyond their numbers if and only if and when the majority is divided.
DAP knows this and they are skillfully exploiting this by dividing the Muslim community by using PAS vs UMNO. That’s why DAP is the most loyal member of the Pakatan coalition and still hanging on despite PAS’ extremist agenda. DAP knows that they are strong when the Muslims are divided and they have been fueling the fire by bringing up various explosive issues. That’s why, for example, LGE brought up the Kalimah Allah issue during his Xmas speech.
DAP also knows that the demographic clock is against them and that the longer it goes, the weaker their position becomes. As such, this GE is a pivotal event in their political career. If they don’t succeed this time, then they will never get another chance.
Unfortunately the Malay Muslim community has been consumed up with petty differences and allowing themselves to be played out by DAP. The ABU campaign, ironically initiated by a Malay activist himself, is another example Malays are being blinded by partisan politics and work toward their own destructions.
DAP’s position vis-à-vis is simple. They demand equal rights without equal sacrifice or equal responsibility. They want to retain all their cultural, economic and political rights while demanding the special rights the bumis enjoyed in lieu of granting of citizenships to non-bumis to be relinquished. To disguise this outrageous piece of con job, they paint as Malaysian Malaysia concept. I would rate this is the con job of the century, occupying the same exalted space as Maddox’s masterpiece.
Calvin,
yup. you are spot on.
I am disgusted with people complaining and comparing Malaysia with Singapore as an example “Singapore this Singapore that…”
I told them off that in Singapore there is no Tamil or Mandarin schools. They often then changed the topics of conversation.
For DAP, BN is bad as it is led by a Malay based party, UMNO. So, they make a big fuss on UMNO dominating political landscape. As if it is a crime for a malay based party to achieve dominant position in politics.
And they lament on and on that UMNO is racist. I told them if UMNO is racist, how come Grik, Lunas were won by non Malay BN candidates when the constituents are malay majority.
They ridicule whatever Malay concerns with utter contempt. Tian chua insulted Malays, Muslim UMNO by implying that UMNO created sandiwara in Sabah.
Are the Malays that cruel? Is UMNO that bad? Malays too have their weaknesses but racism is definitely not one of the weaknesses. My Chinese friends find it astonishing when I told them that the way Malay leaders treat non Malays is a source of inspiration worth global admiration.
I agree with one UMNO member comment that DAP is exactly “yahudi ” of the east. It thinks only about LIm dynasty. It does not care a hoot about Chinese legitimate rights. Chinese are mere pawn to be used as a collision material againsts the Malays so that they can achieve the substance of Lim Dynasty.
And it is a tragedy that Chinese have yet to see how DAP is bringing them to collide with the Malays.
May I remind the Chinese that goodwill is fast depleted. It takes two to tango. Najib has been approaching the chinese for years. So did all previous UMNO leaders.
So far the chinese gracefuilly accept whatever goodies but derives pleasure in sending mixed signal to Najib.
So, do continue doing that. But they say some happiness is for a short period of time. After election, it will be the Chinese who has to please and approach Najib and may have to plead to be included in Cabinet set up.
As for the chameleon like stance of LGE and WT, these are only to be expected. If you recall that DAP/Pakatan operates on a different logic and value system for the rest of us the mere mortals.
In their lexicon, bad is defined as whatever is opposed to Pakatan. Corrupt is what BN does and racism is what BN/UMNO uses to undermine DAP. It is all relative. It matters nothing on what is the action but who does it.
There will be payback after the GE for sure. The Chinese are taking a massive gamble with their political choice. The geopolitical situation is not in their favour. With Singapore becoming increasingly xenophobic, the door is being slowly shut. There is no escaping with the economic slowdown in the US, China, ME and the Europe tightening the job market.
The Chinese tycoons who support PR will be similarly punished and shuffled aside for projects. They will no longer have MCA offering a shoulder to cry on or lobby on their behalf.
Of course Dapsters might console themselves with Penang but what’s the point of having the state when rest of the country is under BN. It could be a payback for Penangites too. With a weaker Federal Opposition, BN will squeeze DAP in Penang where it hurts.
Even tho’ you’re not Chinese or Christian but as a Penang resident you gonna suffer the payback too ,)
You’re literally surrounded by Dapsters. How, ah?
Ms Helen,
As a Chinese you too will be affected. I don’t think people like temenggong will distinguish if you voted for BN or not.
True.
It will be collective punishment. The Christian natives of Sabah & Sarawak / Orang Asli may be punished like with stricter restrictions on the use of Allah.
And if there are street riots, nobody will stop to ask the Chinese-looking person if he’s been a DAP supporter or not.
What the Dapsters and evangelistas do affect all of us. And The Star is promoting both. Therefore MCA must be held accountable for the behaviour of its newspaper.
Helen, you said, “And if there are street riots, nobody will stop to ask the Chinese-looking person if he’s been a DAP supporter or not”.
I’m sure this is the same that happened in 13th May… hopefully it will not repeat.
I wish not to yield my ‘parang’ to a certain chinese looking person only to later find out that she was you…. hehehehe!
If you mention “May 13”, the Firsters will immediately say you’re fear-mongering.
The fat cats of MCA will be the first to board flights out of KLIA.
Accountability? Not a strong suit of Chinese politicians, DAP, MCA, Gerakan & PKR notwithstanding. We are left to face the brunt of the backlash. And when houses of worship (churches, temples etc) are torched & targeted, all hell will break lose.
Helen ;
I think the Malay and Muslim had been staying cool all this while, sometimes when i go through the Muslim and Malay bashing in MT, MK and others I wounder when will be the last straw, even RPK cannot take it lately.
I am in the opinion though the feeling is hurt but but the Malay might feel that, ‘no point of arguing with the cow, they will never understand you.
But I wounder.
Read here,
https://helenang.wordpress.com/2013/02/05/who-is-wong-tack-dap-got-punkd/#comment-24431
It will be collective punishment. – Helen
I suggest the following punishments, hope they’ll be suffice:-
Punishment 1: Do ketuk ketampi 100 times.
Punishment 2: Write I will never vote a DAP candidate in my lifetime anymore one thousand times.
Sorry for the bad joke, tired day for me today…
But seriously, when I told one of my colleagues about MCA not going to take any posts in the federal government if their coming GE performance is worst than 2008, his answer was Let it Be (Beatles’ 1970 song).
Mr. Alwie, you say you are a Chinese Muslim on your profile. Looking at your photo you can be mistook for a Buddhist named Koh Ah Kau or something.
So don’t be too sure you will ‘wield your parang’ at Chinese-looking people. You know what I mean. ; )
Do it Zombie Apocalypse way kot? Arm himself to the teeth & blast away hoping to take as many as possible with him to hell? :-D
He will have to join you in Rela to learn firearms first.
Haha…Penang Island is what Subang Jaya is to Selangor. Unfortunately non Chinese and non-filthy rich Penangites like me reside in the Mainland while the whole world revolves around the Island and Tokong. If you have Subang Jaya and Hannah, we have Penang Island and Tokong.
I am not so much worried about BN’s payback, I can live with that. What concerns me is living under Tokong’s rule for another term. That scares the hell out of me. What he has done in the last 5 years will have a huge impact to the livability and competitivess of Penang. Even if Penang falls to BN (which will happen in the 14GE), the damage would have been done.
let Penangites practice living under DAP rule for 10 years. im pretty certain they will cry for Gerakan’s help by GE14.
i am not & will not be least suprised if Najib took the high road and do a christian thing – love thy neighbour. The blue blood in him will not allow further alienation nor disenfranchising the chinese from the rest of Msia.
Moreover, 5 years is such a short period and with the Malays still broken by ideologies, Najib need to garner more supports. The evangelists will learn a new word: ‘humility’.. and any shit thrown at Najib will not stick. There will be new ministeries set up to take care of the other minority races and it will be headed by a non-malay.
more people are leaving PAS – their brand of Islam has been indentified as DEVIATING- those who yearn for real Ilmu will be going for the Pondoks who are neutral – PAS and DAP will hug each other (sic)
…200 listed companies taken down/changing hands.- Temenggong
What is this all about?
Yeah, interesting speculation, ain’t it?
Like the consolidating anchor banks move?
Helen…you just hit the nail on it’s head. Prepare to say good buy to Chinese controlled banks post GE13. Serve them right!
sorry…’good buy’ should be ‘good BYE’… :)
Good lord, you folks are as nervous as a coed at a Tail hook Convention. All this talk of payback makes me want to vote PR. I have seen temenggong’s (if this is the same guy/girl, that is) comments on Mkini.
A good old Hindraf supporter and realist when it comes to the race politics of this country. In other words, my kind of rabble-rouser.
Like may Hindraf supporters on Mkini, he has been burned by the overt racism that PR supporters dish out to Hindraf, the Indian community or anyone that supports Hindraf. The hate there is palpable.
The worst of course are the Indians who hate Hindraf because they practice “race politicks”. God, how I hate those fuckers.
So I can understand his and others anger but sorry to say nothing is going to come of it. BN will not retaliate against the Chinese and Christian communities because it makes no economic sense.
The whole BN/UMNO Ponzi scheme is predicated on a vibrant middle (mostly Chinese) community that props up the agendas of the elites (Malay) in this country. Waytha was right when he goes on in “deep level” politics ramble. I suppose a hunger strike if lucky does provide moments of clarity.
All this Jerusubang blather about race politics being so yesterday is just preaching to the converted. RPK and others talk of the Malays as though they are still some sort of monolithic voting bloc. As I have argued before, what AI has done in tap into the class resentments of the Malay community.
The Chinese are on this ride so long as their pragmatism holds out. Nobody of course gives a shit about the Indians, so you could suck on the BN crack pipe or make a stand with Hindraf.
Of course if Hindraf becomes another occasional chocolate fantasy to UMNO, much like MIC, I would not only have egg on my face but drenched head to toe in it.
Can another May 13 happen? Sure, why not. People will always be prone to manipulation and well-orchestrated violence by the powers that be. I personally think that PR does not have the guts, certainly not the Chinese component to orchestrate something like this, but others may disagree.
Nobody certainly not UMNO wants the gravy train to end and it would certainly end if another May 13 erupts. And this time it would be very much worse. With a divided Malay community and a Fundamentalist Islamic power group in play, who knows the kind of Malaysia that would be born from such an incident?
A mass exodus of Chinese from this country will have very overt consequences for this region. Race reality hurts, doesn’t it?
But like I said, it is all about money. Race is just the smokescreen. I do not buy any of this race war BS, not for one minute.
If they win big UMNO and get a huge mandate from the Malay community (gerry meandering withstanding), UMNO may punish those recalcitrant Malay power players in PAS and PKR and eat schadenfreude every day when it comes to the DAP.
Hell, they may agitate the DAP even more esp. in Penang where they would want a more subservient Chinese representation, but nothing will get in the way of the gravy train.
If they win small, then it gets interesting. Malay unity will be of paramount importance and this may necessitate making deals, with
the devils you do not know. Fun times ahead.
re: “the overt racism that PR supporters dish out to Hindraf, the Indian community or anyone that supports Hindraf. The hate there is palpable.”
Compounded by the hypocrisy of the Politics of Love.
re: “The worst of course are the Indians who hate Hindraf”
Can’t agree with you more.
re: “BN will not retaliate against the Chinese and Christian communities because it makes no economic sense.”
Don’t forget the Perkasa overlap in Umno.
re: “The whole BN/UMNO Ponzi scheme is predicated on a vibrant middle (mostly Chinese) community that props up the agendas of the elites (Malay) in this country.”
But the people physically fighting.wielding parangs are not the elite. The elites marry each other, e.g. Anisa Chan, daughter of the Sarawak Deputy Chief Minister is married to Taib Mahmud’s son
The axis of conflict between the races takes the form of violence at the level of the working class (race resentments fanned by the middle and upper classes), e.g. Kg Medan.
Hence the “overt racism”, the race hate that you mention, and the rudeness/insults and the bullying behaviour that I mention, have made the fabric of our society very lusuh (“worn out” but perhaps there’s a more accurate translation that slips my mind at the moment) and susceptible to tear.
re: “As I have argued before, what AI has done in tap into the class resentments of the Malay community.”
Agree.
re: “The Chinese are on this ride so long as their pragmatism holds out.”
Disagree. Some are drunk on Holy Water. They control the English media. They’ve also made inroads in converting the SRJK(C) alumni into Jerusubangites.
re: “I personally think that PR does not have the guts, certainly not the Chinese component to orchestrate something like this [May 13], but others may disagree.”
I quite agree, esp. with regard to the ball-less Chinese despite their big, bullshit talk.
re: “Nobody certainly not UMNO wants the gravy train to end and it would certainly end if another May 13 erupts.”
I don’t think Umno wants another May 13. And that’s where some of the Dapsters read Umno wrong when they accuse Umno of threatening May 13.
re: “A mass exodus of Chinese from this country will have very overt consequences for this region.”
Perhaps. The Indians were expelled from Uganda and the whites exodus-ed themselves from Rhodesia. Despite the temporary pain from the economic impact of Chinese departure, at some level, there would be certain quarters happy to see the Dapsters go.
re: “I do not buy any of this race war BS, not for one minute.”
Remember that Dr M wrote the Malay Dilemma as well as recently mooted the idea of the referendum on the 1 million citizenships granted in 1858. He controls the national narrative. His visit to Lahad Datu created more impact than that of the serving Ministers from the relevant ministries.
re: “but nothing will get in the way of the gravy train”
Post-GE13, the days of the Umno-MCA-business-elite Ali Baba will be over. Umno will have the train ride all to themselves unless the Chinese tycoon bypasses MCA and deals direct with Umno like the George Kent MRT business.
On the Pakatan side, they have Khaleli on a smaller scale. I think S’gor will stay in Pakatan hands.
“Perhaps. The Indians were expelled from Uganda and the whites exodus-ed themselves from Rhodesia. Despite the temporary pain from the economic impact of Chinese departure, at some level, there would be certain quarters happy to see the Dapsters go.”
The pain will not be temporary. Uganda has never recovered from the regime of Idi Amin, and Zimbabwe today is a failed state with 95% unemployment and 100 trillion dollar notes that buys nothing.
Re: PERKASA and UMNO overlap
One of the characteristics of a pressure group is its independence. I have seen no evidence that PERKASA is not merely a subsidiary of UMNO, and follows its orders.
Re: Elites not wielding parangs
Very true but there is enough historical (here and elsewhere) evidence to demonstrate that the elites direct those who wield the parangs.
I totally agree that the axis of conflict will be between the working class but where we disagree is in if the working class will be allowed to vent their frustrations.
What many Opposition supporters fail to see is that UMNO has been extremely adroit in containing communal violence of any kind. Kampung Medan is a perfect example of this.
With this in mind, we can assume that the only violence allowed will be the State sanctioned kind. Even at the height of the reformasi movement and the violence of the BERSIH rallies, what was evident was that the government was in control of the situation and that the public involved did not intend to take it to the next level.
As to the “lusuh” – wonderful word – fabric of society. I think there are a couple of factors we should consider. As far as Hindraf and Indians are concerned, whatever goes on in Mkini has zero effect on the community merely because in a sense, it is detached from the online world.
I think there is a tendency to magnify what goes on online and relate it to the real world.
Now I am not arguing that social media has no effect on the real world but I do think that this sense of hate is confined mostly to the anonymity of the Net.
I think the day to day interactions between the communities although tense is nowhere near as fragile as it would seem online, where racists are allowed to rant and do not have the uncomfortable reality of dealing with people face to face.
If this hate translates in the real world, it would be because the elites sanction it.
Re: Chinese drunk on holy water
Well I think there will always be true believers; I am not persuaded that although the Jerusubangites are the most vocal and perhaps most influential, the majority of Chinese have fallen under their spell.
I think at this moment, the disdain felt towards the MCA is resentment over years being taken for granted.
I believe and I may be wrong that what the MCA failed to realize is that the expectations of the Chinese evolved over the years and the MCA was still stuck in the mindset of communal expectations when the reality on the ground had changed.
Said expectations had changed to include the disdain for institutional corruption and the like which has egalitarian overtones which is why the Bangsa Malaysia kool aid is a potent brew to many Chinese and Indians.
Re: Dapster exodus
The problem here is that it will not only be the Dapsters who are leaving. As you said, if there is violence, distinctions will not be made and neither will there be any if an exodus occurs.
Re: Mahathir and controlling the narrative
Honestly, his rhetoric of late has been of the waffling kind. His attacks on Najib have been refined to praise. I think for the first time he understand all he has wrought.
Back in the day, his reign was legitimized by the Chinese community through the MCA and for the first time he has had to rely solely on Malay support.
If you study his works carefully (and I am sure, you have) I think you would discover an unease he has with the community. He both empathizes and is exasperated with it.
For all his rhetoric, the last person who would want violence is Mahathir. After all the continued existence of the “class” of Malays he created is predicated on the continued “harmonious” interplay between commerce and race.
Another May 13 would wreck this and this is really the only legacy not to mention eco system he has.
Re: Post – GE 13.
Call me strange but I think an UMNO without Non Malay participation MAY be a good thing. For once UMNO would have to take into consideration the other communities without the running dog/watchdog roles of its component members.
Unlike many I think UMNO MAY be smart enough to navigate these waters. With a huge Malay mandate, the insecurities of mantaining racial hegemony MAY abate.
I think if there were more entities like PSM who have demonstrated that they can play nice with the Federal government, I think much could be achieved by way of communal relations and class conflicts.
The problem of course would be the Tokong politics of the DAP. LGE once said he was not qualified to lead the country. I agree with him. I think as far as racial/religious agitations go, I think the DAP would pose a problem but this may change if they realize that they do not have the backing of PAS/PKR if the Malays give a huge mandate to UMNO.
As for your Ali Baba politics, the reality is that I think not even PR has any intention of changing that….well maybe just in a cosmetic way.
Generally, there’s much we are in agreement on and some areas where we’re not.
Re: “I have seen no evidence that PERKASA is not merely a subsidiary of UMNO, and follows its orders.”
(1) Its president Ibrahim Ali stood on PAS ticket in 2008. Before that he was with S46.
(2) Perkasa invites Hasan Ali (ex-PAS), Zul Nordin (ex-PKR) and Ustaz Ismail Mina to speak at their functions. The ustaz was a co-founder of Abim together with Anwar.
(3) Its concerns are the kalimah Allah (remember IA’s statement on bible burning) and the apostasy issues, like the DUMC raid, etc. These are issues that the Malay ground is trying to push up for the powers-that-be to take action, and not issues emanating from the Umno b’cos religion is a state-Sultan matter.
Think about this:
The common accusation is that MCA is Umno’s running dog. Yet on the Allah issue, MCA has taken a contrary stand. Remember Deputy Minister “Senator Wow, terribly impressed” making press statement that the government must lift the kalimah Allah ban on printed Christian publications as the restriction was “an affront to common sense”, and more recently MCA’s Loh Seng Kok (deputy chief, publicity bureau) reiterating CSL’s earlier stand that “Any restraint on the use of the Bible in the national language is tantamount to taking away the non-Muslim rights of freedom of practising one’s faith”.
So you see, Umno has not pressured MCA to conform to Umno’s stand on kalimah Allah. But Perkasa is acting as the pressure group on Allah and pressuring Umno and the govt. This shows pressure is from Down to Up.
If the kalimah allah issue was one where Umno’s stand was as adamant as Perkasa’s, Umno would have compelled MCA to toe a BN (read: Muslim) line on it.
In these Allah and apostasy matters which are Perkasa’s primary thrust, the movement is not following Umno’s orders because Umno has not issued any orders (since MCA is not echoing Big Brother’s stance).
On the contrary, Perkasa is unhappy with Umno’s tidak apa (not so much that, but more tak cukup peduli) attitude.
Also, Perkasa is closer to the PAS renegades like Hasan Ali and his Jati as well as Ustaz Nasha on the ground organizing their anti-apostasy events than they are to Umno top guns with the exception of Puad Zarkashi and one or two others (lanky ex-deputy minister methinks with mop of white hair whose name escapes me at the moment) but really not many, that’s why I can’t name any Umno big names — Puad is a deputy minister only.
I haven’t forgotten that Dr M is Perkasa patron. Another and more persuasive reason to regard it as a pressure group. It’s Dr M’s vehicle to pressure Umno … hahaha.
Other replies in separate comment.
“So you see, Umno has not pressured MCA to conform to Umno’s stand on kalimah Allah. But Perkasa is acting as the pressure group on Allah and pressuring Umno and the govt. This shows pressure is from Down to Up.”
I disagree. As I argued in my reply to Calvin on another thread, the only reason why PERKASA is allowed to run riot is because they have replaced PAS as the Islamic/Malay bogeymen and UMNO youth for whatever reason is being sidelined.
If I am not mistaken Ibrahim Ali back in the day was held under the ISA. Zul Noordin was an Anwar confidante and PERKASA counts among its members current and former UMNO members. All this goes to show is that alliances turn and enemies become friends.
UMNO does not need to talk the hardline because they have PERKASA to do it for them. When PERKASA threatens a counter rally and does not turn up or when Ibrahim ALI claims that he does not fear the authorities and willingly embraces martyrdom with no consequence, all this proves is that PERKASA and UMNO are working in concert.
In politics, you need a group that can say things you would not be able to say. To label these as pressure groups would be wrong. If PERKASA were really a security threat, they would have been contained by UMNO a long time ago.
But more importantly if they were independent, they would not have received the support they get especially if they take stands opposite from the government.
The problem with PERKASA is that it has become somewhat of a joke, which is why as a bogeyman it’s pretty ineffectual. Most people think that if there were trouble then the hidden hands would be UMNO working through PERKASA.
The reason for this is simple. PERKASA has made no violent moves independently on issues they claim to represent. True they have made many threats and rattled their sabers but in the end, they have always towed the UMNO line in keeping within the confines of the law.
If they were truly independent and wanted to pressure UMNO on a whole range of issues, they would be busy radicalizing the Malay population and carrying out protests independent of UMNO.
Helen,
“…It is Dr M’s vehicle….”
On the contrary, PERKASA serves as a reminder to UMNO that although UMNO occupies a very significant place in Malay life, it is not indispensable.
PERKASA is a reminder to UMNO that it(UMNO) would eventually be dumped if Malays perceives it abandons the very reason UMNO exists in the first place: to take care of Malay interests.
I know balancing Malay aspirations with fulfilling expectations of non Malays is a very delicate task. So far UMNO excels . No thanks to anwar, UMNO’s stability is shaken to the point it was forced to concede to Chinese demands, many of them would never be accepted in other countries.
Dr Mahathir does need PERKASA to remind UMNO. UMNO now realises the strategic importance of keeping Dr Mahathir on its side. Never mind if Najib views things differently (exm abolishment of ISA) but at least now Najib accord the highest of regards to Tun.
Re: “enough historical (here and elsewhere) evidence to demonstrate that the elites direct those who wield the parangs.”
Which of our local elites gave directive(s) to parang wielders when?
Re: “As far as Hindraf and Indians are concerned, whatever goes on in Mkini has zero effect on the community merely because in a sense, it is detached from the online world.”
Hindraf Indians may be detached from Bangsar M’sia enclave but most unfortunately, Jerusubang controls the media which can shape public opinion.
The middle-class consciousness is needed. As an American example, Lyndon Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act into law. The whites had to play a part. In the same vein, Hindraf needs to get middle-class non-Indians to play the same role.
re: “I think there is a tendency to magnify what goes on online and relate it to the real world.”
I’m fine with this statement.
re: “Now I am not arguing that social media has no effect on the real world but I do think that this sense of hate is confined mostly to the anonymity of the Net.”
Where you stand depends on where you’re sitting. Since I’m Chinese and from Penang, quite understandably, my experience would be different. After all, in which other state of Malaysia do we have the state bulletin featuring more than 50 pix of Dear Leader & spouse spread over a 28-page publication?
“this sense of hate” spilling offline– see the pix of LGE and his Men in Black stabbing the cake :D that I captioned “Die MCA die”.
re: “I think the day to day interactions between the communities although tense is nowhere near as fragile”
It’s a matter of opinion but what the heck, it’s one we share. Wish we had more public attitude surveys to draw on. The Nov American presidential election was a goldmine for opinion polls.
re: “If this hate translates in the real world, it would be because the elites sanction it.”
It might be beyond their ability to control. Think Egypt post-Arab Spring for an example of public order spiralling out of control.
Re: Local elites directing parang wielders
Well I suppose I could draw from pre independence era but what
you are getting at is the contentious May 13 narratives. I have no problem going down that road, with you (I am assuming) going for the spontaneous eruption of violence and me with the hidden hands narrative.
Re: Hindraf and middle class-consciousness
While I agree with your sentiment, I do not think that the analogy with the civil rights movement is appropriate. The Bangsa Malaysians are operating under the assumption that their values are universal thus inclusive. That is not the reality of their political stance nor is it the reality here in Malaysia.
Hindraf is failing because as a minority they do not fit in with the aspirations of the greater minority – Chinese – movement here in Malaysia and also because the community is fractured with many still supporting UMNO/BN.
What I foresee is that the disenfranchised of the Indian community being lumped together with the Orang Asal in terms of status (without the so-called Bumiputra status) and the middle class Indians either favoring PR or BN.
Collectively we do not suffer the same and this is unfortunately is a body blow to any conception of civil rights movements. I have attempted to articulate this to Hindraf, without much success.
It does not really matter who controls the media either mainstream or alternative because as I said, the middle class consciousness is already defined in a dynamic that claims to accept the rights of Indians but in reality is preoccupied for the time being with the expectations of two different communities – Malay and Chinese.
Re: Beyond their ability to control
I do not ever give much credit to UMNO but in this instance, I have seen no evidence to think that they would lose control. My pro Opposition friends always fret that there is going to be another Ops Lalang.
I snort whenever I hear this but the reality is, that if there were to be another Ops Lalang it would just be an examples of how in control UMNO is. Instead of resorting to massive violence, they would have contained incidences that would necessitate a crackdown.
There would be some outrage in the beginning but soon everyone would get back to being his or her apathetic selves. Now maybe PAS would feel aggrieved but they too could be easily contained.
Of course depending on partisan bent you may disagree with this theory but as far as theories of violence go, this one is perhaps more credible than the others. After all what we are doing in this discussion is exchanging possible causes for communal violence
I am always troubled with Post Arab spring analogies. The variables at play there and here are totally different. UMNO has never been the Regime the Mubarak one was and the economic deprivation is nowhere near as constricting as Egypt.
About the only thing I find useful is how the Mubarak Regime attempted to demonize the Coptics as a rallying cry for Muslim solidarity.
“Re: hidden hands narrative wrt May 13”
I was wondering if that was what you had in mind. What makes you think so?
I’ve several commenters here who’ve shared their own personal narratives or their parents’ recall of Kg Baru, and incl. Shamshul Anuar who might have something to say (or rebut your theory).
“re: It does not really matter who controls the media either mainstream or alternative”
Initially there was the Utusan portraying Hindraf as some kind of stereotypical samseng. Then there was the propaganda about Tamil Tigers (off-hand I can’t pinpoint which mainstream media was responsible).
But that’s all water under the bridge since the Home Ministry has withdrawn the ban that makes Hindraf an illegal organization. The establishment press will follow suit.
It’s the alternative media that’s chopping off Hindraf at the knees. I’m reminded of the parallel to the new blogger Annie. Only 2 weeks in blogosphere (at least as far as the age of her blog is concerned) and finding her feet, and she gets the hatchet job from Komtar.
“Re: Beyond their ability to control”
Aaah, but Ops Lalang was during Dr Mahathir’s time and Pakatan is the one that keeps saying he was a dictator. Najib, on the other hand, is constantly accused by Pakatan as weak and vacilitating (particularly by Selena ‘Madam Seer’ Tay each time she predicts an election date and it passes).
Dr M could exert the control. Perhaps Najib can’t. He tried the tough guy act on the EO6 but he didn’t follow through.
LKY might have confined on Sentosa island those he deemed spelled trouble for decades (Chia Thye Poh was imprisoned under ISA for 23 years without charge or trial — I throw this factoid for the benefit of my Dapster monitors who are in awe of Singapore’s greatness).
re: “UMNO has never been the Regime the Mubarak one was and the economic deprivation is nowhere near as constricting as Egypt”
Agree. And both points are arguments favouring the establishment. However Pakatan – http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2012/08/31/regime-change-looms-in-malaysia/, http://www.sinarharian.com.my/politik/ambil-serius-amaran-arab-spring-anwar-kata-dr-mahathir-1.128951 – and their wingmen (the civil society NGOs) have been evoking the term.
re: “About the only thing I find useful is how the Mubarak Regime attempted to demonize the Coptics as a rallying cry for Muslim solidarity.”
The Jerusubangites seem not to have been appraised. They like to recite the stories of Muslims and Christians holding candlelight vigils together, Muslims protecting Christians/Christians protecting Muslims, and that kinda Bangsar stuff
Re: how many Chinese have under evangelista spell
If the Chinese were pragmatic, they would not do things that would play out against their own interests. Pushing the Firster idiocy acts against the preservation of Chinese schools as their “no race” rationale undermines the very reason for having SRJK (C)s.
“Re: … expectations had changed to include the disdain for institutional corruption …”
Hahaha. Read Anas Zubedy’s ‘Politics for Idiots’. If Pakatan ever takes over, they can launder “institutional corruption” into justified operational expenses.
Re: “it will not only be the Dapsters who are leaving”
If the Chinese emigrate, we might still get the 15:85 ratio. Attrition of the 85 percent would, like I said earlier, be welcomed by some quarters. Too bad about the 15 percent but no inconsolable loss ,)
“Re: the last person who would want violence is Mahathir”
Yes.
Re: “Call me strange but I think an UMNO without Non Malay participation MAY be a good thing. For once UMNO would have to take into consideration the other communities without the running dog/watchdog roles of its component members.”
Interesting thought.
Re: If the Malays give a huge mandate to Umno, what would DAP do?
The Malay urban young vote is unpredictable. If not for this uncertainly, I’d say that Umno will get that mandate.
Under LGE, I think the DAP would behave the same way he’s behaving over the tunnel, hence the extrapolation is DAP will show the same defiance that LGE is showing on the tunnel project.
Re: Pragmatism and Chinese (Schools)
Ah, but you have hit upon the hypocrisy of the Firsters. The whole Bangsa Malaysia narrative is a sham. They have no interest in a unified inclusive polity. The DAP champions Chinese schools and every other agendas of the MCA. Nothing has changed except the party and polemics. And the Chinese know this.
The test for pragmatism happens when they are bereft of Malay (PAS/PKR) support. Then we will see if this whole Bangsa Malaysia crap is sustainable.
Re: Anas Zubedy
Me no like him. Him hack like many others. However will give hack credit in that the hypocrisy of the PR supporters is obvious.
They always ramble on of how no alliance is perfect. But that was never the argument. The argument is why don’t they hold their preferred alliance to the standards that this alliance holds UMNO/BN, to?
Re: Dapster Exodus Redux
I think AC DC has the right of it. No matter the break down and if there is violence on a greater or equal scale of May 13, the country would not survive the departure of the Chinese, which I believe would be in a significant scale.
Re: Malay vote and UMNO mandate
I agree with you.
Ultimately, the Non Malays are going to lose the numbers game. Racial politics will be outdated. PR had an opportunity to offer an alternative paradigm that would have shaped this country if accepted.
However, their sin is they lacked the conviction, talent and courage that greatness demands and instead chose to play the same game, which they will eventually lose.
re: “the country would not survive the departure of the Chinese”
That’s what they thought in 1957 and hence the absorption.
But with Dr M mooting the referendum, you wonder if his faction of Umno has changed their mind about the desirability of Chinese.
Also depending on how big a hand you believe Dr M had in the Sabah IC project, that was also a demography agenda.
re: “PR had an opportunity”
Not only did they blow it but they made everything that they claim to want to eradicate (like race allegiances) much worse.
Koh Tsu Koon had one DCM but LGE had to appoint the additional Indian one. KTK did not a Special Officer Zairil that he displayed as a race quota window dressing.
Re: May 13 “What makes you think so?”
I think the problem with May 13 is that there are competing narratives. One the one hand we have something like Tanda Putra and in the other the writings of Dr. Kua Kia Soong. I do not think I could add much to this narrative since my father was in active service and my mother was in graduate school. Sure, there are stories but most of it supports Dr. Kua’s narrative.
Re: Hindraf, Utusan and the mendacity of the alternative press.
I would argue that the demonizing by the alternative press is more damaging to the long term prospects of Hindraf than the mainstream press. I have to be clear on this. When I say alternative press, I include the participation of commenters on news stories.
I believe that Hindraf coverage is slanted but there is very little overt hostility from an editorial standpoint towards Hindraf unlike say Utusan. However the damage comes (mostly) from the readership.
Re: Najib, control and Ops Lalang
Najib may be in a weak position but I think this Lahd Datu incident will fortify him. The only reason UMNO cannot take the hard line now is that they know that Malay support is divided. I do not think Mahathir would have taken such a line if the Malays were as divided as they are now during his time.
Think about it.
His times has been the most turbulent when it comes to public displays of dissatisfaction with his administration but yet overall there has not been any major incident of communal violence. This has a lot to do, with how much control they are of the security forces and their
outsourced thugs.
Re: Jerusubangites and world politics.
Please-lah. These clowns have no grasp of anything beyond their feel good politics and their Obama messianic complex.
“re: I would argue that the demonizing by the alternative press is more damaging to the long term prospects of Hindraf than the mainstream press. I have to be clear on this. When I say alternative press, I include the participation of commenters on news stories.”
YES (in caps and bold, plus here’s an exclamation mark !
“re: I believe that Hindraf coverage is slanted but there is very little overt hostility from an editorial standpoint towards Hindraf unlike say Utusan. However the damage comes (mostly) from the readership.”
“slanted” – yes, I would use a much stronger word than “slanted” if I could think of one … but since you’re a long-time MK subscriber, recall when Zaid Ibrahim was falling from grace and how deliberately slanted the stories were then.
“little overt hostility” – latent covert hostility the effects of which you’ve laid out in your first para
“the damage comes (mostly) from the readership” – it is they who allow their readership to slander
the difference between the responses to a Guan Eng story and a Hindraf story is like langit dan bumi, the latently, covertly hostile readership can’t wash its hands off the mob that it has created and nurtured
Re: Desirability of the Chinese and Mahathir
In my opinion, it is just saber rattling. As I discussed up thread, the last thing Mahathir and his coterie want is a Malaysia sans Chinese because they are very well aware of the economic pitfalls of such a
proposition.
The racial demographic rejigging is merely UMNO not thinking things through. The possible blowback from such schemes never once crossed their minds until it intruded into their bubble.
Re : “And both points are arguments favouring the establishment.”
I hope you are not under the impression that I am here to promote the Pakatan line, Helen. It matters not to me which points favour the Establishment or the Opposition.
I like taking things apart and discovering what lies – BN/PR – beneath.
“re: I hope you are not under the impression that I am here to promote the Pakatan line, Helen.”
No lah. I’m not under any impression that you’re here to promote the Pakatan line.
“re: It matters not to me which points favour the Establishment or the Opposition.”
Ditto.
“re: I like taking things apart and discovering what lies – BN/PR – beneath.”
Ditto wrt Pakatan.
Umno seems to be what they are on the surface. Unlike the DAP sec-gen, the MCA prez has bared his true nature for us to see (i.e. what we see is what we get). It’s the DAP 2.0 Jerusubangites who are fullest of subterfuge — them and Anwar.
Here are my opinion what will happen if BN wins but no Chinese representatives in BN.
1. MKini commentators (haters, actually) will still be there. Doing what they do best, hating.
2. MCA will still be there, focusing more on social services that they are good at as they don’t have any representatives in Dewan Rakyat.
3. DAP will control the opposition floor in Dewan Rakyat as they are the majority.
4. Chinese tycoons will be seen leaning towards UMNO to be in good terms with the government. To ensure their business continuity.
5. Najib will still be ‘approaching’ the Chinese community, even give Senatorship to MCA. On an extreme assumption, they might invite DAP to be in the coalition! Who knows, DAP might agree! Gerakan did this before, right?
6. Exodus from the Chinese community is highly unlikely. Reason, economy. Even though the Chinese hold the cakes of our economy, I would say that Malays are their majority employees.
7. Perkasa will show ‘happiness’ for a while but then will show appreciation to the Chinese when the Chinese shows that they are not the enemy but friends. It is just not in the Malay mind (majority) to hate when the other party shows companionship.
8. After a year of two, PAS will become their old self (more Islamic, blame UMNO of not Islamic).
Just my 2 cents. I have my opinion on what will happen if PR wins. Maybe I shall share it later. :)
(5) Imagine 3.5 million members being Jerusubang-ed :D Bottlers of Holy Water will be doing roaring business.
I think DAP and Dapsters know this election is their last chance saloon. As such, if they fail to capture there will be another situation like back in pre-2008 days where the usual Pakatan media fill their pages with stories of doom and gloom to make the non bumis to leave the country. I bet that among the first to leave will be the Jerusubang tribe.
“I bet that among the first to leave will be the Jerusubang tribe.”
the question here is :
do they have the money, do they fulfill the criteria set out by countries that accept immigrants ?
its easy to shout “let’s migrate” but the reality on the ground is very different.
Dear Helen,
I fully agree with you that if the younger generation of our population continues with the type of abusive and confrontational politics as practised by the DAPsters, we may end up with a replay of the May 13 tragedy.
This tragedy is something that nobody, including members of DAP, wants.
This possibility is one of the reasons why I decided to defend Lynas against all those lies which were used to gain political points.
The main feature of this Anti-Lynas movement is the obvious polarisation of the pro and anti groups into distinct racial lines..AND THIS IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS !
HAVE A LOOK AT ALL THE GROSS VULGARITIES AND UNMENTIONABLE OBSCENITIES OOZING OUT OF THE ANTI-LYNAS RED GUARDS IN THIS LINK, ESPECIALLY AMONG THE SO-CALLED LADIES WHO BEHAVE MORE LIKE THE VOLUNTARY WORKERS OF MOST UNSAVORY BROTELS IN THE 4TH WORLD COUNTRIES !
THESE ARE MALAYSIA’S NEW POLITICIANS AND POTENTIAL MPs OF THE FUTURE!
ALL THESE OBSCENITIES AND VULGARITIES DIRECTED AT ME FOR TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT LYNAS AND FOR GIVING THE SCIENTIFIC FACTS TO DEBUNK THE LIES PROPAGATED AND DISEMINATED BY THEIR MASTER BRAINWASHERS !
PLEASE SEE ALL THE 182 COMMENTS…… 99% VULGARITIES.
CLICK “View Previous Comments” as well in the link.
Dato’ Dr Looi
Thanks Datuk. I’ll post your comment later today.
Dear Helen, the hate agenda infused by DAP will soon wither away. Yet when I think about it with superficial one liner in FB and twitter, it won’t because we have a bunch of herded sheep’s for what is materially enhanced for themselves besides the agenda of the nation for all whether it is HINDRAF, PERKASA, or other ethnicity serving community when it has failed the humanity test. Who and how the humanity test is decided if Malaysians per se have the guts and courage to stand tall for it rather than taking sides worrying how individually we are impaired or believing in the fallacy of the supernova politicians.
Truth and reality transcends ethnicity when we per se individual Malaysians can act collectively to acknowledge it. When we are able to speak because that is the truth and reality, you will have the politicians to wag their tails to you and not the other way around.
re: “Dear Helen, the hate agenda infused by DAP will soon wither away.”
If DAP withers away, then it may happen.
However, the hate agenda will grow stronger if Guan Eng and his evangelistas grow stronger.
And they are so strong within the Chinese community. Dr Boo Cheng Hau of DAP Johor, whom the LGE faction is trying to get rid off, is not a Christian. With him sidelined, where is the internal check-and-balance within the DAP? And we’ve seen the Christian-Muslim civil wars elsewhere like Lebanon and Sudan.
And the evangelistas may just succeed in Johor which is arguably the state where the Chinese pre-2008 were the community the least under DAP influence. That’s why the Johor election results will be seminal in determining the country’s future.
And we’ve seen LGE’s videos and read his interviews about all that intense anger that he harbours for the government (read: Umno) due to his ISA and his sedition imprisonment.
Guan Eng is al-Nakba, a catastrophe for the Chinese community. That he is worshipped by them as their messiah signals how successful the DAP has been in harnessing hate as their primary election weapon.
Helen, sad to say this but this is something the Chinese community, the 2nd largest community in Malaysia, has to decide having lived in Malaysia and having HINDRAF fight their battle for equality and fairness.
The Chinese know what is at stake, LGE is a loose cannon without any substance, but the Chinese are not stupid, you can gauge the Chinese sentiment how their premonition are and steps that they will take but it does not mean that they are stupid to fall to LGE’s false charm.
LGE runs his agenda on media, but the reality is different. We must have faith on our Chinese community as much as we have with the rest. Not every Chinese is Christian. Enjoy this [YouTube].
from what I know, the younger generation of Chinese in Johor too have been turned by the DAP.
one Chinese from Johor I know of, who’s 26, say that come what may, he’s going to vote for the DAP no matter what. when I asked him why, he said its because Umno must be crushed. he didn’t say anything about development for the country.
so Helen, don’t think for a second that the Chinese in Johor are safe from the DAP’s brand of politics. no Chinese is safe from being infected by this “Hate Plague”.
that Lim Guan Eng is a catastrophe for the Chinese community is already a forgone conclusion. the question now is, when the majority of this country, the Malays, Indians, Natives of Sarawak and Sabah, when they turn against the Chinese community, who are they going to pin the blame ? Umno again ?
I’ll put up your comment, thanks.
thanks Helen. I’ve just read RPK’s With Your Head Buried in the Sand article. here’s one comment that I find really, really disturbing. I hope you read this and tell me what you think.
what RPK did was point out what’s really going on in the minds of the Malays regarding the Chinese community and this fella came in and write that comment. this is worrisome, and worrisome is an understatement.
re: “point out what’s really going on in the minds of the Malays regarding the Chinese community”
Dapsters are incapable of being open minded when they are told. They prefer their conspiracy theories.
PPP you speak from your experience. Please don’t disregard the Chinese. Nothing resolves without Malaysians being involved whether it is a Malay, Chinese, Indian or lain-lain.
This does not mean one race has an upper hand but rather how we can uplift each other without what is politically defined. In order to do this, we have to cleanse ourselves individually for what is is the truth and reality whether it involves the Malay, Chinese, Indians or lain-lain. This needs participation of the community not what you think what is politically expedient.