By i hate n’sync
BN politicians are particularly slow on the uptake on many fronts, especially the really stupid lies peddled by some PR supporters.
What I absolutely cannot fathom is why nobody from BN, not Umno, not MCA, not MIC took refuge from the fact that they ARE all race-based political parties and they STILL collaborated over half a century to keep this country going — Compromise? Give and take? Deference? Call it whatever you want, we knew it was not easy but we had a good foundation and a great run.
Was it necessary to wash away all our ethnic identity in the name of unity or equality? Why can’t we be Malay, Chinese, Indian, Dayak, Kadazan or Iban and still be Malaysians?
What is WRONG to be a Bumiputera or a Non-bumiputera? Inequality is not addressed by making everyone Bumiputeras. Why should Malaysians be ashamed of their unique heritage and ethnic make-up?
Recently some poor chap got so confused about ethnicity and nationality that he beseeched everyone to stop identifying themselves by race. He is definitely not alone.
Not all of us are Hannah Yeohs who seek to define ourselves along monotheistic lines.
Some of us recognize that we identify ourselves on multiple axes – race, religion, gender, state or language, but to HAVE all these differences and still able to call ourselves MALAYSIANS is a far greater achievement than a pure breed of Aryans (or their wannabes) who think that our diversity is a bane instead of a bonus.
Why should we refuse to being asked our ethnicity in official forms and documents? We should proudly declare our identified heritage, culture and ethnic identity, but it does not mean that allow others to discriminate us on the basis of race.
This is the level of thinking for most Malaysians, they say that the government should not collect racial profile or data, but the real issue is not with the information, but how it is going to be used. It is like getting rid of your house so that it would not be broken in to, or selling your car so that it could not be stolen.
That is how absurd the people who insist on calling themselves as a “Malaysian” race.
Comment originally @ 2013/05/16 at 11:21 pm
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The graphics are sourced from the blog Planet of the Monyets. The Monyet King (blogger) had written:
“In the past weeks, many have been trying to tell others that they are not racists. We must move away from race-based politics, they say. We must shun racism, they shout. We are all Malaysia, they scream. And together with their scream and shouts, they have also produced cute posters and images to tell the world that they are ‘color blind’.”
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By Helen Ang
Note that in the Malaysian Firster version of the kumbaya-United Colours of Benetton poster (above) making the rounds in the Jerusubang World of Facebook, it is now Ah Chong who takes the centrestage over Ali and Meenachi.
The idea that “(Malay) + Chine(s)e + Ind(ian) = Malaysian” is also propagated prominently in the national news pages of The Star — below, page 8 of the paper’s 13 May 2013 edition.
Helen Ang 
Helen,
Pesanan buat Hannah dan Jerusubang
” Journey to hell is full with good intentions”
Jangan ditanya siapa yang mengungkapkan ayat diatas.
LOL! I always enjoyed reading I-hate n’sync!
The thing is that with these Bangsa Malaysia morons, they define multi-racism and being Malaysians in a narrow and warped sense. I love the analogy of selling your house and car to prevent theft.
The issue with Firsters and Bangsa Malaysians is that they tend to confuse symptoms with cause. The problem that we should tackle is not racial identity but the lack of unity among Malaysians.
By doing away with the “race” column in our IC would not make the problem go away. Even in Singapore, they still want you to fill the race and religion columns in every application and also clearly stated in the NRIC.
My question to Hannah Banana would be: Since there is also much tension between the Muslims and Christians, would you also propose we do away the religious classification ?
Malaysians can live in harmony while maintaining our ethnic, religious and other differences. This is proven before in the Peninsular Malaysia while in Sabah & Sarawak this spirit is still very much alive. What we need to do is to examine the source of disunity which I think is due to inequalities.
The bumis are unhappy with the economic gap with the Chinese and their dominance. The Chinese are unhappy with the affirmative actions that the bumis enjoy. I do think we can find a middle ground between these two groups for I can relate to both sides of the grievances.
Rather than race, my biggest concern is religion where extremists like PAS and the Bintang Tiga Evangelistas are propagating a culture of supremacy and hate which is harder to address.
“By doing away with the “race” column in our IC would not make the problem go away.”
if they do that Calvin, they are opening a Pandora’s Box. then people are going to ask “since all of us are now Malaysian, what should we do with vernacular schools ?”
then the reply comes in the form of “vernacular schools are not Malaysian. therefore they must be gradually converted into Malaysian schools”.
but of course this Malaysian First crap has a growing market among the urban dwellers such as the Chinese and Indian middle class, who, with their deluded and mistaken perception that vernacular schools will be preserved, will subscribe to it in their attempt to achieve “racial equality”.
I agree. This is where their warped sense of being Malaysians that I meant. They want to eliminate “race” but want to keep all the identities that come with ethnicity such as language, schools, customs, radio/TV stations, newspapers, food, culture, etc. Isn’t this idiotic ?
I always maintained that “race-blind” is a code word and an euphorism for “Anti-Malay” and “Anti NEP”. This is just a con job to foolMalaysians.
you can only do a con job on the people if you know what they want to believe. the reason why Pakatan has been so successful is because they know what the Chinese and Indians want to believe, that it is possible to have racial equality and racial preservation all at the same time.
but this is absurd. sooner or later, they will realize that you can’t have the cake and eat it too. something has to give. when will that happen ?
well, look at the demographics. what will Malaysia look like in 2030 ? 2040 ? most certainly, the Malays and other Bumis will outnumber the Chinese and Indians, maybe 70% to 30%. then what ? are the Chinese and Indians then going to continue to shout “we must preserve our ethnic identity no matter what !” ?
Like Monyet King, I’m sick of all this too. please lah, I’m Serani so i’m not Malaysian?
sorry, couldn’t get you.. is it ever anybody question your citizenship just because you’re serani?
Good morning Helen
Today’s Bintang Tiga Metro Darul Sampah Edition reports on the handsome Chai Yi Ri s/o ex UMNO and hunky Bollywood politician Jagdeep s/o Jelutong Tiger walking about Rifle Range caring about the poor destitutes.
And on Page 4, the paper talks about how sial the Komtar pedestrian bridge by Gerakan is saying how bad the feng shui is. The DAP zebra crossing pulak is very bagus.
On Page 5, a ceramah by DAP to curse BN is a thanksgiving ceramah. Like praise the Lord for getting rid of BN.
Yes. The Star has become a paid version of the propoganda Buletin Mutiara which is paid by dumb taxpayers like me.
You are lucky who don’t live in People Republic of Darul Sampah. Oh yes we nice Warisan 1920 buildings for the dumb ass local tourist. Visit Penang 2013.
if they are really into Malaysian First, why do they continue to promote English ? look at The Star, on every Sunday, its always about promoting the English language.
I must make it clear. I m not against the teaching and learning of English. in fact, I believe 100% that we need to master this language in order for us to compete internationally. what really irks me is that a mainstream paper like The Star is so into promoting this with missionary zeal. I would like to remind people that its not The Star’s business to promote the teaching and leaning of the English language. its the job of The Education Ministry.
speaking of missionary zeal, The Star, even after GE13 is still promoting the opposition’s politics and politicians with missionary zeal.
hello ! not everyone subscribes to this sort of nonsense by The Star. if they want to promote the opposition, they should instead transform The Star into a subscription based paper. that way opposition hacks and whacks can indulge themselves with compulsive angst while sparing innocent people the crap that’s being dissed every single day by The Star’s editorial group.
Dia orang tak faham bahasa malaysia. that why they promote english. Baca utusan mesti misinterprate
http://justread-whatever.blogspot.com/2013/05/tony-phua-misinterprets-zahid.html
After that blame it to BN aka UMNO.
The Malaysian Firsters post so many anti-racism stuff cos they need convince themselves that they are not racist. The more they post, the more convinced I am that they are.
‘The Malaysian Firsters post so many anti-racism stuff cos they need convince themselves that they are not racist. The more they post, the more convinced I am that they are.’ Garret
This is a good one. Couldn’t agree more!
Apa Orang Cina Penang Mahu?
1. Mereka mau element pembangkang dalam kerajaaan tetapi sampai no opposition.
2. Mereka mau no traffic jam tapi mereka tolak monorel dan mahu terowong yang akan merosakkan Persiaran Gurney, Jalan Pangkor dll.
3. Mereka anti rasuah tetapi datang berpusu-pusu untuk makan free kerana terima “rasuah” makanan adalah halal sebab syaitan yang biayai.
4. Yang Buddhis tak suka yang Kristian dan vice versa tapi bila politikus buat drama, memanglah halal. Macam Lady Betty.
5. 99% penduduk Penang mahu kempen PRU13 diteruskan memandangkan masa tak cukup. Walaupun kempen PRU13 telah tamat diluar Darul Sampah, kempen masih berjalan.
6. Mereka tak suka mamak kerana mamak bukan “(Malay) + Chine(s)e + Ind(ian) = Malaysian” tapi “(Malay) + Ind(ian) = Mamak. Jadi DAPster alah kepada makan nasi kandar.
7. Semua projek BN kena dirobohkan seperti PISA swimming pool, overhead bridge sebab sakit mata. One day Penang Bridge dan 2nd Bridge akan diruntuhkan sebab sakit mata.
8. Pelajar KTAR biayaian MCA diajar untuk benci MCA dan BN.
Ish. Kalau kita predict semua yang orang Cina Penang mahu, kita boleh jadi gila. Baik kita ubahkan tenaga kita di kedai Magnum, nescaya semua 1st Prize kita menang sampai Multi Purpose Holdings bangkrap dan MCA pun kena dijual kepada Singapura. MCA /Gerakan please dont waste your money on Penang service centre. Orang tempat lain seperti Kedah lebih memerlukan.
Not OK Man,
Boleh cerita sikir kronologi mengapa orang Cina P Pinang tak suka Mamak?
Dengar cerita ada kempen boikot Mamak, apa ceritanya sebenar?
mfma,
That they hate mamaks is well known. This started from Day 1 of the DAP admin.
There was a demo at Komtar after LGE made a statement saying he wanted to eliminate NEP in Penang on the day he was sworn in back in 2008. Some morons started a rumor that it was led by mamaks. Then onwards the mamak bashing started with people calling for a boycott of nasi kandar places. I think their business never recovered after 2008.
Itu you kena tanya DAPster Penang. Saya tak benci Mamak. Sekarang di Darul Sampah ada kempen beli roti Massimo.
Actually the so unracial Dapsters are the most racist. Look at how many dark skinned Malaysian were pulled out because they were “Bangla” voters. Kita tak nampak BN people pulling out China Doll looking voters (those Beijing girls from all the private colleges) who add votes to the Pakatan.
In short it is all about how dark your skin is. Mamak is because they are dark skinned but not brown.
Not OK Man,
On “mamak” , it is not purely due to their dark complexion. Had not for “mamak”, the Muslim eatery in Penang is as good as gone with the wind.
“Mamak” is hated mainly as they seem to be more independent and successful as compared to Malays. Besides, Mamak is closer to Malays (meaning friendly to UMNO).
Chinese Swimming Club in Penang would make Obama realise of how liberals Malaysians are!
And yet, these people the swimming club is named after are the most disenfranchised of the lot.
Good morning Helen. TGIF
Why the hullabaloo over race & nationality?
Too ashamed to admit that you’re descended from pendatangs is it? Or is it an attempt at self pacification over the fact that you’re not ethnically defined as a bumiputera?
IF you’re so Malaysian, then why do you conduct your party affairs primarily in Chinese? Surely it is ranked at most 3rd behind BM & English in terms of proficiency by Malaysians who are not obsessed with racial heritage?
And if you’re so hell bent on equality without any reference to ethnicity, then why do you share your bed with a party whose objectives are primarily for the advancement & good of a particular religion? So you’re saying that it is not OK to fight along racial lines but OK to fight along religious lines? Well f**k me! Have we learned nothing from history?
While we’re treading this road, anyone notice how first churches & more recently temples are being used as pawns to stoke up anti establishment sentiments by certain quarters? They did mosques too until the authorities & Sultan gave them a kick up their backsides so that has died down I suppose.
All in all, the very ones who advocate their Malaysian first concept are the very ones manipulating religion to incite the masses against the authorities. What does that make them?
At the same time, the ones who advocates freedom of speech & democracy smothers it by refusing to accept defeat in an election. They harp on & on about the popular vote when they never had a reason to complain about the first past the post system all the while. What does that make them again?
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Talking about the “popular vote”, I think there are several factors which can be used to dispel the myth. Two that I can think of;
1. Turnout – e.g. An urban constituency with 100k voters with 90% turnout vs a rural constituency with 20k voters with 60% turnout.
2. Is the electoral roll a reflection of the racial demography in Malaysia? Are the percentages according to race & age groups similar? All the more reason the government should consider automatic voter registration.
Anyone else have any other factors to dispel the popular vote issue? Do share as I’m just sick of hearing about it all round two weeks on.
well, according to Justin Lim of ISIS Malaysia, 7 million eligible Malaysians decided not to vote in GE13.
and I quote Justin NST Friday May 17 2013
“One issue that has escaped the attention of most is the existence of a “silent” majority of the electorate. These are eligible voters whom, although eligible, did not register to vote.
On the surface, their inactivity appears to be harmless, easily passed off as fence-sitters and almost oblivious to the political atmosphere. Delving deeper, however, shows that it is no trivial matter.
The number of votes garnered by both Barisan Nasional and Pakatan are approximately five million voters each, sizeable by any account. Consider, however, the size of this silent majority.
In mid-2011, four million voters that are eligible did not register. By 2012, these voters have grown to an estimated five million, despite the numerous countrywide registration campaigns held. However, a record breaking 2.2 million did register, which is certainly commendable.
But let us imagine that voting was made compulsory for all and that our ballots were initially, by default, crossed on a hypothetical I-Don’t-Care-Enough Party, whereby turning up on election day is the only way to reselect our candidates of choice. The no-show of these five million will, by default, choose the I-Don’t-Care-Enough Party.
This party is now in the same league as BN and Pakatan!
With the additional two million who registered but did not turn up on election day — also choosing the I-Don’t-Care-Enough Party by default as a result — this party is now the real winner of GE13 with a popular vote of seven million voters!
But this I-Don’t-Care-Enough Party is an oxymoron; they are simply indifferent, interested but not committed, silent or unwilling to engage in the issues at hand. In other words, apathy and spectatorism is now the true Malaysian ideology.
Although this hypothetical scenario seems too far-fetched, it does not change the fact that these seven million strong are, unfortunately, the real majority of this election. In GE13, four out of ten eligible voters have decided that democracy is not worth the effort.”
and Pakatan claimed that they won the popular vote. well, excuse me ! they didn’t win the popular vote. someone should teach these Pakatan hacks basic maths.
You can teach them all you want but they just don’t have the grey matter to comprehend. Bengap. Apa lagi dia mau?
Fakin,
Yes, the popular vote imbalance can be explained easily by voters registration as well as urban-rural differences in voting behaviour.
The Swiss Confederation came into being over 800 years ago. They are still German Swiss, French Swiss, Italian Swiss and Romansch Swiss (these were the chaps who deserted from the Roman legions 2,000 years ago during the decline and fall of the Roman Empire and holed up in the high Alps since then.) There are no Swiss Swiss.
To this day, they still quarrel amongst themselves and say all the bad things behind each others backs. OK. Beloved Malaysia, only
56 years since Merdeka. OK.
Couldn’t agree more with AK47.
We are trying to be civilised again after being colonised for more than 400 years by European powers (we should sue them asks them to compensate us!). 56 years of self governing and expectedly, nothing is perfect.
Heck, United States is not perfect either. Enron, Arthur Andersen, Fanny Mae and Federal Reserve are perfect examples on how corrupt and zero transparent US corporations are. Despite Obama telling us about our polling discrepancies BS.
Germany are not perfect either. Did anyone missed out on the cry of rasuah on Gerhard Schroder among Germans slightly after he chaired the 5B dollars Gazprom (read Putin) controlled Northern European Gas Pipeline, 8 years ago?
Which country is? Rasuah is perfectly humans. It is extremely not humane. But that is just how it is. Having said that, I believe we have to strive to be zero rasuah. Kawtim culture and mentalities (the give money, perempuan or booze one) need to be stop once and for all. But realistically I do believe it won’t be easy as well.
Case in point. Dave Hartnett tax cut deals worth of billions of british pound, with Vodafone and Goldman Sachs.
And only yesterday Ed Miliband had slammed Google over its tax avoidance initiatives.
It won’t be easy. IMF and the World Bank themselves are not transparent. A lot has been written about the family that runs these two private giants. Maybe AI, transparency international poster boy, could shed us some light over Shaha Reza scandal. We all know too well on his business cronies when he was the second most powerful man in Malaysia.
We are still young and it is ok for us to do things our way, without interference (“No chance!” CIA) from anyone or any power outside Malaysia. We’ll take time and that’s OK.
And yet we have Malaysians (Malaysian Firsts that is) calling on the US to invade our country.
Mind boggling.
You speak Mandarin (Cantonese/hokkien) or English all day. You studied in a Chinese primary school. All you friends are Chinese. And you eat Chinese food everyday. You read Chinese papers. You watch Chinese programs on TV (or illegal DVDs). You look Chinese too. Yet you want to say you want to be known as Malaysian ?
They not only want to bolot the term Malaysians, they also want to define what a Malaysian is and who a Malaysian is not.
And most ironical considering their claim to Malaysian Firstness, they have assigned to Ridhuan Tee the category of Melayu celup Cina murtad.
yet they want to preserve Chinese schools. maybe the reason why they want to preserve these schools is because they are the descendants of coolies who themselves were not proper Chinese. we all know that these people who came to Malaya in the 19th century were mostly of the uncouth, belligerent types. hence the reason I call them “not proper Chinese”. so in order for them to become Chinese, these vernacular schools must continue to exist. otherwise, they will revert to their natural state of not being “proper Chinese”.
BM is their mother tongue simply because Malaysia is their motherland and no one should be asking them to balik China because it is not their motherland. DZ and HZ are to be blame for this maha misunderstanding. Even the mother of their mothers mother did speak Mandarin.
But then again maybe mata aku yang sepet!
Even the mother of their mothers mother did NOT speak Mandarin.
correction
They spoke Hockien, Cantonese, Hakka. The Chinese of the 1920s who are here most of the CANNOT speak Mandarin.
Yeah, and its mind boggling that their Malaysian grandchildren are being told that Mandarin is their mother tongue.
That fact alone had pushed the country backward by at least 50 years!
Perpaduan dan Kesatuan Bangsa Masuk Tong Sampah Big TIme!
Helen … tell Najib to UBAH from giving something to Penang as everything was already there … factories that create huge income for them, international airport to cater economic activities, bridges to accommodate traffic flow from mainland to island and etc..
Why not this time let Penang alone with its problems as there is a very very capable team to look after their needs. NOW … ask Najib to develop southern Kedah … KULIM?
1: Build a new airport to cater southern Kedah, nothern Perak n Seberang Perai … it’s very troublesome for people from this area to go to Bayan Lepas Airport. With a new airport those area will benefit more.
2: Develop Kulim HiTech Park industrial area … create more investment/job opportunities… they have huge landbank to cater this and they have a system to monitor the industrial park necessities ie Majlis Perbandaran Kulim HiTech.
3: PLUS Highway is just 40 km from Kulim via Bandar Bahru exit .. make a new road from Kulim Hitech to this exit…
4: Penang Port is just 25 km from Kulim Hitech… BKE was there to cater flow of containers.
5: A railway double track is nearer from Tasek Gelugor station … make a new link from there to Kulim HiTech…
6: Build affordable houses as price of land is still cheaper compare to Penang Island.
AFTER ALL that area is a BN’s supporter… They support BN so BN must support them back….
Do some research and make a proposal to Najib & Mukhriz … i think they may consider this.
In fact if KTM would become bankrupt if they upgraded their line in Penang as Penang land is very very very expensive. Isn’t it cheaper to have the train line go from Perak to Kedah? Anyway Penang lang are so rich that they don’t need rail services. They all fly Business Class from P Ramlee International Airport. (The suggested name of the airport by LGE).
And Penang lang are so rich. Kedah should charge more for water as Kedahans are so poor (Kodiang, Sik etc) Kedah is just dumb enough to let PBA earn lots of profits.If Penang lang at Straits Quay can afford Evian and Penang water is known to be cheapest in Malaysia, it is fair Kedahans share some of it.
Couldn’t agree more. Thinking of the same. Mukhriz should resuscitate this issue. Business is business. I’m sure penang langs would understand. Long live meritocracy!
Actually the electorial system is to be blamed. The Pakatoon say that Kuantan has more voters than Kuantan. Yes. All the Jerusubang Kuantanites came back to vote.
In Penang there were lots of Kangaroo Penang lang. Yes. Yellow who feel that Malaysia is not good enough for them but then still busy body to determine the local affairs. They only go to Darul Sampah for Chinese New Year to give face to mother in law but they have hell a lot to say about how our longkangs are run. And they help the Tambun Biscuit (only Chinese) folks by making them millionaires.
If there are “Banglas” (Malaysian Indians who god cursed to be very darkskinned) who vote there are also Mother-in-law love tourists (Malaysian Cina who like hairy Caucasians) who vote too.
Helen: you should write an expose on how local twinning programs help local middle class Chinese girls search for Caucasian husbands. Wholly an exclusively in the gross search of a white husband.
Melayu, Cina, India = love MY ASS. More like Pan Asian is sexy. Melayu+mat salleh, Cina + Angmow, Indian+ London = Love
I agree with Calvin Sankaran that merely saying that we are all a same people is idealistic – meaning not based on real world reality at any given point in time.
Malaysians of different enthiticities feel their economic interests, opportunities and survival are threatened in some way or another by other enthnic groups and unless the different ethnicities can come down to a mutually agreed compromise which assures each ethnicity that they have a fair chance in Malaysia, then the ethnic tensions will not subside.
Otherwise, the above posters depicting a liberal notion of equality and togetherness is idealistic and is just like pasting wallpaper over undelying cracks in a wall to cover it up but wallpaper is very fragile and easily tears if the cracks below widen.
The problem is, there don’t seem to be many Malaysians of different ethnicities who are committed to working towards that mutually agreed compromise as Malaysians and who are willing to live by it in practice to uphold the compromise in the interests of Malaysians, rather than the interests of their own ethnicity.
Spot on, my thoughts exactly! I think the Malays are kind enough to reconsider the so-called Social Contract but the problem is that when you label them racist, unjust, cruel and evil every day, it becomes hard for them to sit down and talk to the Chinese. Healing is a good idea but it’s a two-way street.
In any case, for the sake of the country, Najib does take the first step forward to address the issue. However I expect PR to sabotage it at every turn.
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Personally I agree that this ideal of a Bangsa Malaysia is doomed to failure, which is why I left the country more than a decade ago to attend university overseas and have never returned. The problem in Malaysia is that there is no unifying national narrative/myth that unifies all Malaysians regardless of race or religion. On top of this is the separation enforced by sharp religious differences.
I personally believe the most important factor for deepening racial division in Malaysia since the early 1980s is the increased Islamisation of muslims in Malaysia. All over the world, including in advanced Western countries, those who are particularly religious tend to be socially restricted to their own kind. This does not only pertain to orthodox muslims, but also orthodox jews and christian fundamentalists. This is more so when the religion has particular dietary restrictions that make it difficult for its adherents to socialise with their non-regious colleagues after work over food and drinks.
Those who are not of the Malay muslim majority are faced with several long-term disturbing trends. 1) The tendency towards religious orthodoxy and practice among Malaysian muslims. 2) The demographic trends that will inexorably reduce the proportion of Malaysian minorities in the population over time. 3) The rise of China which will provoke a reaction in South-East Asia to Chinese territorial claims, which could in turn excite sharper discrimination against Chinese minorities. 4) Malaysia is mired in the middle income trap, and while the government might shout about how much per capita income has increased in the last few years, the fact is that other countries are rising faster. These trends in my view mean that any non-Malay who can emigrate and build a life and career overseas should seriously consider doing so.
I am a realist and I therefore understood years ago that I could never become a full and equal citizen of Malaysia. Trying to fight against these long-term trends would be like trying to stop the tide. As such, I chose exit.
But for those who support the status quo, especially the Malay muslims, I think there are several issues that they would do well to dwell upon: 1) If you oppose corruption and abuse of power, how do you reform UMNO without the political threat from a strong opposition that could conceivably take federal power? I simply do not think that is possible. 2) The long-term economic prospects of Malaysia, given its low productivity (lower than India or Indonesia), increasing global competition and rising brain drain. 3) Is there a better way to lift those Malaysians still living in poverty (of which a majority will be bumis) than the current IMHO failed method of doling out government contracts, small and large, to the well-connected in the hope that it trickles down?
These are issues that should command the attention of all thoughtful Malays even if there were not a single non-Malay living in Malaysia.
Dear Xaverian,
Thanks for letting us know that you packed your bags and leave without trying. The rest of us believe in working out our problems. Why should it be a problem for the Malays when it is a matter for all Malaysians?
You are not a realist, you are an opportunist. I don’t mean it in a bad way, not everyone enjoy a labour with indetermine harvest. However, I believe the rise of PR is precisely what is needed, and the socio-political development in GE13 is evidence of the changes the people are working on. Just because you give up, it does not mean real Malaysians should wallow in resignation and despair.
The long-term economic prospects of Malaysia is in the hand of Malaysians, not expats or migrants. The sooner we learn to utilize our human resources rather than continue relying on our natural resources, the better.
If you don’t know how Malaysia is combating poverty over the past 5 decades, that’s your problem. We are trying to deal with all kinds of challenges as a developing country and while the system is flawed, it has delivered results.
Yes, we are underachieving, but I don’t think it is because the flower of our generation are now rendering their service in foreign lands. Can’t afford to cry over exported brains, people make such choices everyday. The key is to make sure we improve the supply tap of quality human resources, and oh, you know, to answer Malaysians abroad who thinks that they are very bright for choosing to leave.
Don’t come here and give me the crap about “full and equal citizen of Malaysia”. You sound like a sulking boy because others were perceived to be the favourite son.
I suppose you left because you think the Malaysia Constitution is wrong on a few counts and since you cannot forsee the likelihood of it being changed, you welcome the arms of foreign nations and start over like your forefathers. Good for you!
Well good for you Xaverian!
I pray that you behave yourself find so that the mat sallehs won’t kill you.
I hope the shitty economy serve you just find too. And please don’t return, we have not gone cuckoo (despite NameWee lagu) over losing you, a narrow minded and self centred man like you was never a lost to us. And I’m not willing to share the economic cake with another tikam belakang kind. We’ve had too many of them running around the country already.
Naturally (migrating) you are just doing what you did best. Angkat Kaki and that is understandable. There’s nothing you could do really. You the hopeless kind.
A piece of advice is for you to stop the LKS complex and start blaming no one but yourself on your life path. Baling Batu Sembunyi Tangan is a crime.
To me Xaverian has written an intelligent and sensible comment which sets out the current situation accurately.
Just don’t feel that his decision to emigrate is any kind of personal insult to you or to the country. He’s merely explaining with a degree of openness why he made the choice to leave.
Regardless of the fact that he has elected to opt out, still, whatever that he’s got to say about our society and about Malaysia still holds water.
Each point which he raises can be assessed independently and objectively while at the same time ignoring the background history (emigration) that he has kindly provided if it troubles you.
Better to engage with someone frank and honest rather than to be lulled by the kumbaya crap that the evangelista opportunists are peddling. They only tell people what those people want to hear, and which both the speaker and the listener think sounds good to the ear (jual air liur sahaja).
Sorry Helen, although I subscribed to the opinion that it is ‘better to engage with someone frank and honest rather than to be lulled by the kumbaya crap that the evangelista opportunists are peddling’ mantra, we just have to agree to disagree on this, the comment was not intelligent and far from being sensible.
Yes, I’m insulted, deeply, not because of his decision to migrate, That is only natural for him to do and I just don’t care.
But I can’t stand the dumbing down narratives presented thus the refusal to objectively and independently assessed each point he raises. Frankly I don’t think he deserves any.
I just don’t like ‘ang moh’ telling us what to do and how to behave in our very own country. We don’t need another ‘Andrews’ from down under telling us he had lost hope on Malaysia for not voting the way he wanted to. How selfish that was, especially coming from someone who had only come home to vote for Ubah! For God sake, he doesn’t even lived here. We choose not to Ubah and suddenly we are not sensible and backward kampung folks?
The same rule applies here.
Xaverian decided to leave; good for him and for us. Now please leave us alone and stop campur tangan into our urusan. We’ve had more than we can chew. And I’m in no mood to entertain.
I did not write my post to insult anyone, and I truly fail to understand why anyone would feel insulted here. I called no one any names. And besides, it has long been unofficial UMNO policy to encourage all who disagree with it to emigrate. So I don’t see why BN supporters should find my emigration to be an issue. And on top of that, I fully agree that the idea of a Banga Malaysia is doomed to fail. I thought I would be congratulated on this blog of all places!
First of all, I have never voted in Malaysia, and I can’t vote anymore since I am no longer a citizen. And I have not set foot in Malaysia since before 2008. I actually have little interest in Malaysian politics, and if you noticed carefully I voiced no outright support for PR or Anwar in my post. I only started reading about Malaysian politics a few weeks ago because I heard then that there was an actual chance that BN might lose Federal power in the then upcoming elections. I thought that was quite a development! So I started to read various blogs and have continued to follow some because I find the post-election developments most interesting.
Now I think the reason you resort to insults is because you have no substantive answers to any of the questions I posted earlier. And your comments only serve to reveal how ignorant you are of the wider world. “You behave yourself so that the Mat Sallehs won’t kill you!” is the most ignorant and ludicrous post I have ever heard.
My friend, it was Mat Salleh money and scholarships that allowed me to leave Malaysia and earn two degrees from one of the finest universities in the world, and that money was given with no strings attached. My (then) country did not give me the money and my parents could not pay for it, but it was foreigners who paid for my education. What do you think of that? I work for a Mat Salleh firm, and they pay me an income that puts me in the top 1% of the taxpayers in the Mat Salleh country I live in today. You know nothing of the world and the opportunities it offers!
And let me share with you one insight I have gained from living outside Malaysia that might perhaps raise the quality of the discourse in this blog. I see that some people here have a problem with Chinese language schools in Malaysia. When you meet American-born or British-born Chinese, you quickly find out that the overwhelming majority of them cannot even string along a full sentence in Chinese, whether Mandarin or a dialect. And there are NO restrictions on Chinese language teaching in either the US or the UK. In fact, you also quickly find that frequently Mat Salleh children are more interested in learning Mandarin than the ethnic Chinese citizens themselves! No doubt the rise of China has stirred interest in things Chinese.
The chief reason why the Chinese in Malaysia care deeply about Chinese schools is because the government schools are bad and getting worse. Many have commented on how badly Malaysian education has tumbled down the rankings globally, so I won’t belabour the point here. The Chinese culturally place a very high value on education, and they simply want to ensure that their children get a good education. One may blame the Chinese in Malaysia for many things, but one for sure cannot blame them for the declining standard of education in Malaysia.
As for “dumbing down narratives”, let’s see who knows their history better. If one is against the compromise that was reached to secure Malayan independence from the British by giving citizenship to the vast majority of Chinese and Indian settlers because it was a colonial imposition, then why not the other colonial constructs that live on to this day? In fact, why not just go all the way and call for the unification of Malaysia and Indonesia to form a single Malay nation? After all both Malaysia and Indonesia are colonial constructs. And once you achieve the unification of Malaysia and Indonesia as Indonesia Raya, the non-Malay minority would be significantly downgraded as a proportion of the population in one stroke. Also, if one really cares so much about the marginalisation of Malays, has one done anything about the oppression of the Malays in Pattani? Seriously, the so-called “marginalisation” of the Malay majority in Malaysia is nothing compared to the situation of the Malays in Pattani. After all, the ceding of Pattani to Thailand was also a colonial construct.
re: “So I started to read various blogs and have continued to follow some because I find the post-election developments most interesting.”
Pls stay.
To All Malaysians please read this with an open heart.
http://syedsoutsidethebox.blogspot.com/2013/05/china-mari.html
And please open your heart and mind.
“If one is against the compromise that was reached to secure Malayan independence from the British by giving citizenship to the vast majority of Chinese and Indian settlers because it was a colonial imposition, then why not the other colonial constructs that live on to this day?”
– Xaverian
Some Malaysians believe Independence was predicated on the enlightenment of the British overlords which ensured citizenship for all Malayans. The fact is, public relation lines being packaged as a social contract totally ignore the reality that the Brits needed to get their ass out of Malaya pronto without creating an India-Pakistan mess. Our founding fathers struck a compromise to alleviate the anxiety and concerns of the major groups and this is in the document known as the Malaysian Constitution.
Why delve on historical perspectives when one cannot even get a current factoid right?
“And please open your heart and mind”
there were so much fallacy, flaw and wrong fact in the entire article, i think it is actually a waste of time to refute, going personal is much saving me time n effort.
“This article was originally written by me fully in Mandarin….” and he wrote earlier “马来西亚汉裔同胞……”
We use either 汉族 (han) or 华裔 (ethnis chinese)，we rarely use lexicon like 汉裔 (han descent, not in dictionary anyway) unless refer to minority in china who trying to trace their roots should they be the descendant of han. the writer cant even get the basic thing right, thus “written by me fully in Mandarin bla bla bla” open our heart and mind that he (50%) is either a kid, or a liar.
UMNO unofficially encouraged those who disagree with them to emigrate, and you DUTIFULLY complied, and you are surprised things take so long to get fixed?
I am not a BN supporter, and like you I have never voted in Malaysia. I believe there are equally important things to be had other than making a mark once every few years. Each to their own, I say.
You are now drawn back to developments in Malaysia because of a prospect of change in Federal power. So with your cursory readings, do you think things will change if PR wins. It has to win convincingly with a 2/3 mandate to fix some of the problems you have fundamental issues with in the Constitution, I’m sure.
Your “questions” are based on flawed assumptions, as I’ve pointed out, and I am still wondering what is it that you are “asking”. You are convinced that everything is going to hell with Malaysia, and you expect some of us to convince you otherwise? You have no idea how the system works and its nuts and bolts, but you want more glossy perceptions to counter your erroneous observations? Who is saying that we should reform UMNO sans a strong opposition? Malaysia’s economic prospects is what it is, a sum of CURRENT labour situations and past planning. Some developments are worrying, some are not, the government recognized the middle-income trap and are finding ways to work our way out of it. You think we are immune to the dominance of English and blind to the fact of brain drain and gain everywhere else? How is your “mat salleh” country handling poverty and uneven development and will Malaysians be willing to support a hike in taxes?
The only thing we can take from your statement that “I work for a Mat Salleh firm, and they pay me an income that puts me in the top 1% of the taxpayers in the Mat Salleh country I live in today” is that you believe you have done well in a foreign country you call home. Good for you as we all have said, but that does not make the fact that you are a jackass less true. Congratulations on fulfilling your monetary potential and lifetime earnings. So, do you understand now why the money was given to you with no strings attached in the first place? If you understand why some international scholarships insert clauses of “national service” (i.e. recipient must return to serve their birth country where they received the education enabling them to qualify for the scholarship in the first place), you would be none the wiser, being the brain that you are.
I don’t know why the sudden tangent into Chinese language schools. What you are saying is what everyone here know as a fact. Chinese Malaysians care less about Chinese culture than making sure their children have a ticket to get them ahead in life, and this include encouraging them to leave and never come back. Personal success is far more important, the country can fix itself, it seems.
Oh, Helen, Xaverian is an enlightened migrant, he would have no problem deciding for himself to stay or otherwise. He obviously found us wanting, like the country of his birth, so don’t hold your breath on him staying.
i hate n’sync, despite the X…n being orang kaya that he claims to be, he doesn’t sounds happy and contented with his live, thus the need to educate us all with his pseudo 1st world rationales
We are not affected by his decision to migrate to the 1st world but just like LKY, he wants to come home, but the 3rd world, full of its maladies are just never ready for him and his kakis, and post GE13, the sore loser turns bitter thus throwing tantrums while expecting us to validate his rocket science logic.
You know la these ‘ang moh’ will always perasan pandai one!
Xaverian believes our deepening racial division is caused by Islamisation. The problems, as Xaverian alluded, stem from fundamentalism that “makes it difficult for its adherents to socialise with their non-religious colleagues after work over food and drinks”. That statement alone should alert you to the line of thought presented by Xaverian, Bangsar watering holes notwithstanding.
If I choose to socialise with my colleagues, we will all go to a place where we can both eat and drink at peace. I don’t know where Xaverian goes to “socialise” with his colleagues, but I didn’t realize the choice would be discriminative. Whatever happpened to mutual respect to the life decisions of others? I don’t drink and it ain’t because I am a Muslim. Do’h!
The last time I checked, the Constitution does not compel any Malaysians to be Muslims, far from it. I have nothing against Malaysians seeking greener pastures, but coming from Xaverian’s 4 “long-term disturbing trends”, he saw it fit to QUIT the country. Yes, Xaverian saw it coming when he left a decade ago to further his studies and decided not to return because he don’t like the Malays becoming more devout Muslims, the minorities are declining in proportion, China is becoming a superpower and Malaysia’s per capita income growth is not fast enough. Can you pick up the racism, bigotry and materialism evident in the rationale provided?
This is obviously a Chinese Malaysian who thinks that China’s growth will expose him to prosecution from non-Chinese Malaysians. This is obviously a Chinese Malaysian who prefers his Malay Malaysians to drink, gamble and fornicate. This is obviously a Chinese Malaysian who thinks that he can’t make enough money in a developing country.
Xaverian is an opportunist, and whether he makes good of his opportunity remains to be seen. Trust me, wherever he is now, he is not part of the growing majority in terms of demographics, unless he is in Singapore (the most likely situation), Hongkong, Macao or China. Xaverian is blaming the Malays for the low fertility of his fellow Chinese Malaysians, and put the Malays fully responsible for the special position of the Malays and Bumputras in a Constitution agreed by all of our founding fathers. He is saying that nothing can happen unless the Malays are affecting the change. Basically Xaverian is saying that Malays are a people who will not give up their privilege and will continue to “oppress” the non-Malays.
Xaverian’s level of intelligence is only suitable for distorted claims that Malaysia’s productivity is “lower than India or Indonesia”. Malaysia’s productivity level is at least 5 times the level of India or Indonesia. In the same the Star article, its productivity GROWTH was lower than India or Indonesia.
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2013/2/26/nation/12690726&sec=nation
Btw, doling out class F contracts is NOT a poverty alleviation strategy. Who on earth told him that? If Xaverian thinks the trickle down effect of creating a patronage system is Malaysia’s strategy to combat poverty, he must be high on some unknown substance that is clouding his brain. Sorry for being ascerbic, Singaporean Chinese ex-Malaysians tend to bring that out of me.
re: “makes it difficult for its adherents to socialise with their non-religious colleagues after work over food and drinks”
The social limitations are there. You can’t deny that it isn’t so.
re: “The last time I checked, the Constitution does not compel any Malaysians to be Muslims, far from it.”
Where in Xaverian’s comment did he say that the Constitution compels any Malaysians to be Muslims?
re: “he left a decade ago to further his studies and decided not to return because he don’t like the Malays becoming more devout Muslims”
Where in Xaverian’s comment did he say that “he don’t like the Malays becoming more devout Muslims”?
Are you equating devoutness with “fundamentalism” (his word)? They are two different words.
re: “the minorities are declining in proportion, China is becoming a superpower and Malaysia’s per capita income growth is not fast enough. Can you pick up the racism, bigotry and materialism evident in the rationale provided?”
(i) “the minorities are declining in proportion” — FACT
(ii) “China is becoming a superpower” — FACT
(iii) “Malaysia’s per capita income growth is not fast enough” — FACT
So where in those facts are Xavierian’s “racism, bigotry and materialism”?
re: “This is obviously a Chinese Malaysian who thinks that China’s growth will expose him to prosecution from non-Chinese Malaysians.”
You’re assuming he’s a Chinese. In fact. We’re both assuming it’s a ‘he’. He might be an Indian or a Serani for all we know.
re: “This is obviously a Chinese Malaysian who prefers his Malay Malaysians to drink, gamble and fornicate.”
Where did he say that?
re: “This is obviously a Chinese Malaysian who thinks that he can’t make enough money in a developing country.”
How do you know his threshold for “enough money”? We’ve both never met him before.
re: “Xaverian is an opportunist, and whether he makes good of his opportunity remains to be seen. Trust me, wherever he is now, he is not part of the growing majority in terms of demographics, unless he is in Singapore (the most likely situation), Hongkong, Macao or China.”
He did not indicate his location. It’s pointless to take this further into the realm of conjecture.
re: “Xaverian is blaming the Malays for the low fertility of his fellow Chinese Malaysians”
Where did he say that?
re: “and put the Malays fully responsible for the special position of the Malays and Bumputras in a Constitution agreed by all of our founding fathers.”
Where did he say that?
re: “He is saying that nothing can happen unless the Malays are affecting the change.”
Whether he did or did not say that, the proposition would still be true.
re: “Basically Xaverian is saying that Malays are a people who will not give up their privilege and will continue to ‘oppress’ the non-Malays.”
Where did he say that? The word “oppress” is not mentioned in his comment, that’s for certain.
re: “Xaverian’s level of intelligence is only suitable for distorted claims that Malaysia’s productivity is “lower than India or Indonesia”. Malaysia’s productivity level is at least 5 times the level of India or Indonesia. In the same the Star article, its productivity GROWTH was lower than India or Indonesia.”
His main point is “The long-term economic prospects of Malaysia”. It’s a valid concern. And India is forging ahead.
re: “Btw, doling out class F contracts is NOT a poverty alleviation strategy. Who on earth told him that?”
He did not mention “class F contracts”. He said “contracts”. Unless you ask him to clarify, it’s a wide term and may be appropriate depending on the context of which he has in mind.
re: “If Xaverian thinks the trickle down effect of creating a patronage system is Malaysia’s strategy to combat poverty, he must be high on some unknown substance that is clouding his brain.”
His pareagraph reads: “Is there a better way to lift those Malaysians still living in poverty (of which a majority will be bumis) than the current IMHO failed method of doling out government contracts, small and large, to the well-connected in the hope that it trickles down?”
I’d interpret it as querying the efficacy of the current system where “the well-connected” get “government contracts” while those missing out hope for a trickle down, and he’s saying that this is not the most effective way to uplift the poor. What’s wrong with what he’s said?
re: “Sorry for being ascerbic, Singaporean Chinese ex-Malaysians tend to bring that out of me.”
What makes you assume he’s Singaporean?
“The social limitations are there. You can’t deny that it isn’t so.”
– Helen
Social limitations because some of us don’t hang out at pubs and bars? Or must pork be on the menu in order for tongues to loosen? How on earth is religiosity a barrier “to socialize with their non-religious colleagues”? What is it that is not good enough for the likes of Xaverian and his non-religious colleagues? Putting religion as an excuse to isolate your co-workers is discrimination, pure and simple.
Xaverian is lamenting that “there is NO unifying national narrative/myth that unifies all Malaysians regardless of race or religion”. So I suppose the Malaysian Constitution does not fit the bill for him. It was evident to me that Xaverian has some interesting ideas about a “separation enforced by sharp religious differences”. Since the Constitution clearly spells out the freedom of religion, what is it that bugs our good man?
Xaverian makes no distinction between orthodoxy, fundamentalism and
“particularly religious”. If an individual adheres strictly to the fundamental tenets as required of his faith, why should that be a problem, unless the religion is advocating murder, laziness, lawlessness or ignorance.
Who is disputing the facts / trends? What I am incensed is that he judged those trends as “disturbing”, inevitable and the excuse for his “exit”. His line of thought would render ALL overseas Chinese minorities as disloyal migrants with a built in flee-instinct. If this is your home, do you choose to leave at the first sign of trouble? You assume the Malays are as racist as you if the rise of China will result in anti-Sino sentiments. Singapore has asked this question for years, if war breaks out between the Lion city and Malaysia or Indonesia, can they trust their Malays? Look what happened to the Japanese in US in World War Two.
“You’re assuming he’s a Chinese. In fact. We’re both assuming it’s a ‘he’. He might be an Indian or a Serani for all we know.”
– Helen
He left because ONE of his great observation that China is a rising superpower. I don’t think a Serani or an Indian in his right mind would be citing that excuse. Unless, of course, he is also alluding to a rising India.
“These TRENDS in my view mean that any non-Malay who can emigrate and build a life and career overseas should seriously consider doing so.”
– Xaverian
He made four observations and every single conclusion he has drawn from them has shown him to be a bigot – cannot tolerate religiosity due to the absence of his own faith, a racist – prejudicial to Malays whom he believe will mistreat others by racial association, and a materialist – the country is not developing fast enough in per capita income terms.
His considerations for migration is evident, but I don’t blame him for that. He clearly want non-religious neighbours and the opportunity to make a lot of money and not being singled-out for his slit-eyes. There are many countries like that, as I’ve pointed out.
You may want to add diversity to your audience by protecting new commentators from stinging rebukes. But asking us to point out the flaws in Xaverian’s argument was an invitation. :)
It is precisely because we let individuals off the hook when they make inaccurate statements that incorrect assumptions were formed out of erroneous interpretations. His POINT on the long-term economic prospects of Malaysia is that HE CANNOT AFFORD TO BE BOGGED DOWN by less productive Malaysians. I couldn’t even be bothered to point out to him how such productivity levels are calculated because in his mind, this country is a sinking ship and boy he was glad to have gotten out while he could.
re: “He is saying that nothing can happen unless the Malays are affecting the change.”
Whether he did or did not say that, the proposition would still be true.
This is where I differ. GE13 clearly showed that the Malay majority is wary of PR, but Chinese’s total tilt has make the momentum of change possible. BN has to react to such developments, it could be a positive reaction, it could be a positive reaction, but there will be change. History has shown that even though the communist insurgency failed, the ruling Alliance and the Brits needed to adjust their approach.
The patronage system is a bane to our country’s economy and the results have proven that it does not work. Our nation’s poverty alleviation program, however, is a different animal. To confuse the two is typical of false charges against NEP, which is a problem of perversion.
“…lift those Malaysians still living in poverty…”
– Xavier
I assume he is a Singaporean because he left a lot of clues in his infantile points and writings. Or maybe I have developed superpowers in detecting such ex-Malaysians. I would rather he is in Singapore, because if he is in Australia, New Zealand, US or UK, the criteria for entry has loosened very much indeed.
re: “Social limitations because some of us don’t hang out at pubs and bars?”
Nowhere in his comment does he mention pubs and bars. As for other limitations, Lousy Engineer has given a link.
Also recall the case in the Bukit Selambau school where the headmaster made the canteen totally off limits to all students during puasa month. Then where are the non-Muslim students supposed to eat and how to get their food?
They were scolded – look up the details yourself. The principal’s name is Ungku Aznan Ungku Ismail.
re: “Or must pork be on the menu in order for tongues to loosen?”
You’re refuting that religious food taboos separate people? How many times have we heard vegetarians lament that while Malaysians are made aware that pork is haram to be served but vegetarians are constantly overlooked and may end up with no choices for lunch at a given function?
re: How on earth is religiosity a barrier “to socialize with their non-religious colleagues”?
Your question is open to interpretation and we may not be on the same plane here. But as one example, during bulan puasa some colleagues would be excluded from having tea with other non-fasting colleagues.
re: “What is it that is not good enough for the likes of Xaverian and his non-religious colleagues? Putting religion as an excuse to isolate your co-workers is discrimination, pure and simple.”
I hope he will answer you himself.
re: Xaverian is lamenting that “there is NO unifying national narrative/myth that unifies all Malaysians regardless of race or religion”. So I suppose the Malaysian Constitution does not fit the bill for him.
Ditto.
re: It was evident to me that Xaverian has some interesting ideas about a “separation enforced by sharp religious differences”. Since the Constitution clearly spells out the freedom of religion, what is it that bugs our good man?
Ditto.
re: “Xaverian makes no distinction between orthodoxy, fundamentalism and
“particularly religious”. If an individual adheres strictly to the fundamental tenets as required of his faith, why should that be a problem, unless the religion is advocating murder, laziness, lawlessness or ignorance.”
Perhaps you should also elaborate on what you mean by “devout”.
re: “Who is disputing the facts / trends? What I am incensed is that he judged those trends as “disturbing”, inevitable and the excuse for his ‘exit’.”
I hope Xaverian will respond to you since I’ve only ‘met‘ him via a couple of hundred words comments yesterday and would be clueless on his ‘exit’ and do not seek to presume.
re: “His line of thought would render ALL overseas Chinese minorities as disloyal migrants with a built in flee-instinct. If this is your home, do you choose to leave at the first sign of trouble?”
Perhaps you could reference Khoo Kay Kim’s most recent thoughts on this vis-a-vis the Utusan front page post-GE13. “Many among them do not think of Malaysia as their own country;…”
re: “You assume the Malays are as racist as you if the rise of China will result in anti-Sino sentiments.”
He had framed this within a context which you’ve omitted. He wrote: “The rise of China which will provoke a reaction in South-East Asia to Chinese territorial claims, which could in turn excite sharper discrimination against Chinese minorities.”
Like disputed ownership of islands and such. The latest episode happened barely 24 hours ago — “Chinese maritime surveillance vessels were spotted off the Senkaku islands, which China calls the Diaoyus, in the East China Sea at around 2:30 pm”. Google the news.
re: “He left because ONE of his great observation that China is a rising superpower. I don’t think a Serani or an Indian in his right mind would be citing that excuse.”
I’m able to comprehend what he said but I’m unable to make out what you’re implying.
What he said was: “Those who are not of the Malay muslim majority [remaining in Malaysia] are faced with several long-term disturbing trends. […] The rise of China which will provoke a reaction in South-East Asia to Chinese territorial claims, which could in turn excite sharper discrimination against Chinese minorities.”.
I would read what Xaverian wrote as — Chinese minorities in M’sia may be open to sharper discrimination as a consequence should China flex her muscles by making claims to some SE Asia territories, e.g. the Spratly dispute.
A parallel might be the Suluks viewed with suspicion in Sabah following the Lahad Datu incursion.
re: “He made four observations and every single conclusion he has drawn from them has shown him to be a bigot – cannot tolerate religiosity due to the absence of his own faith, a racist – prejudicial to Malays whom he believe will mistreat others by racial association, and a materialist – the country is not developing fast enough in per capita income terms.”
How do you know whether he has an “absence of faith”? And where does he say that he believes Malays “will mistreat others by racial association”? He spoke about trends.
re: “His considerations for migration is evident, but I don’t blame him for that. He clearly want non-religious neighbours and the opportunity to make a lot of money and not being singled-out for his slit-eyes.”
Again how do you know that he has “slit eyes”? For all we know, he may be a beautiful woman with fluttering eyelashes.
re: “It is precisely because we let individuals off the hook when they make inaccurate statements that incorrect assumptions were formed out of erroneous interpretations.”
You have made the assumption that Xaverian is a “he” and a Chinese. On the first, you have a 50 percent chance of getting it wrong. On the second the odds are higher than 50 for you to get his ethnicity wrong. And furthermore, you have made the assumption that he’s a Singaporean. The odds are even greater for you to get his domicile wrong as there are many countries out there.
re: “He is saying that nothing can happen unless the Malays are affecting the change.” / “Whether he did or did not say that, the proposition would still be true.” /” This where I differ. GE13 clearly showed that the Malay majority is wary of PR, but Chinese’s total tilt has make the momentum of change possible. BN has to react to such developments, it could be a positive reaction, it could be a positive reaction, but there will be change.”
But the forcing of Umno’s hand by the DAP-Chinese developments still doesn’t take away from the fact that the initiative still rests with the Malays as represented by Umno power. Obviously Xaverian would want a change for the better. Malay reaction now to the GE results is a change for the worse for the Chinese community.
re: “The patronage system is a bane to our country’s economy and the results have proven that it does not work. Our nation’s poverty alleviation program, however, is a different animal. To confuse the two is typical of false charges against NEP, which is a problem of perversion.” / “…lift those Malaysians still living in poverty…”
– Xavier
But the NEP has opened the opportunities for the patronage system to take root.
re: “I assume he is a Singaporean because he left a lot of clues in his infantile points and writings. Or maybe I have developed superpowers in detecting such ex-Malaysians. I would rather he is in Singapore, because if he is in Australia, New Zealand, US or UK, the criteria for entry has loosened very much indeed.”
Why don’t you just ask him direct?
The act of civil servants who are too eager to indoctrinate specific religious precepts instead of performing their job have to be punished. This is where non-Malays need to reason and remind ethnocentric or misguided civil servants why they are doing their public institutions a huge disservice. How does this lend credence to the claim that Muslim and non-Muslim co-workers cannot socialize effectively?
I thought food taboos is a great entry point for us to recognize our differences and decide where to do lunch. Nobody is asking you to share your lunch with your co-workers everyday, but what is wrong in respecting the dietary requirement of others once in a while (especially for main functions), including the vegetarians? Your point about the vegetarians raise a good question – should vegetarians be blamed for the lack of socialization opportunities with non-vegetarian co-workers due to their vegan beliefs?
I was educated in a public school, did I feel particularly restricted or denied when it comes to food? I strongly doubt FOOD is to be blamed here for racial cliques forming at both the workplace and schools.
As for the rise of China (or India), we only need to fear the reaction of dumb or paranoid racists. Again, people who cannot differentiate between ethnicity and nationality are usually not capable of logic and reasoning. It is typical for Chinese Malaysians to fear of developments that they think might affect them, but they hardly bat an eyelid on broader national interest issues that they should be concerned about. The Spratly islands is a potential flashpoint, but Malaysians need to give our government all the support to pursue a peaceful diplomatic solution/demarcation. If Chinese Malaysians put the interest of the nation first, they will know what to do and they should never be apologetic about it. Unless Xaverian is insinuating that the government will victimize Chinese Malaysians to blackmail/punish China – hah, as if mainland cares.
What kind of sharper discrimination against Chinese minorities are you and Xaverian talking about? Public prosecution because Chinese Malaysians actually support China’s territorial claims? Singapore was created at the centre of the Malay archipelago. Isn’t this an invaluable lesson on colonialism and Malay sovereignty for all of us? Is LGE plotting a secession? Is China or HK or Singapore supporting a seccession of Penang?
The Suluks in Sabah are still going about the state, trying to piece together their lives due to the Lahad Datu incident. Do you see the government prosecuting them? Overtures were made on both sides where Sabah Suluks came out strongly and decried the armed intrusion. This country has proven time and again they can be very accommodating, from Chinese communists to Islamic terrorists to Indonesian confrontations.
The non-Malays have held on to the belief that we should stay out of the affairs of the Malays and things affecting them because any interference will be deemed unwelcomed. However, that has effectively allowed decades of apathy to the situation of the Malay community, from Syariah laws to Zakat provisions. The Malays are a majority, but it does not mean that the responsibility of nation building is in their hands alone. It is a majority buy-in that we seek, not a race purchase.
“But the NEP has opened the opportunities for the patronage system to take root.”
– Helen
By the same token the Constitution has opened the oppotunities for all the Malay – non-Malay divide, point being? NEP has delivered mixed results, and it would be an error to write it off as a total loss without acknowledging its successes (while admitting its excessiveness).
As for asking for Xaverian’s ethnicity and migration status, what kind of verification are you offering me? Besides, I’m using them as a way to explain his bias and prejudice. Even if he is a she and is in India atm, the writings still channel the same bias and prejudice.
But I really hope that you would asks him direct Helen, before Karpal Singhed him to all of us.
You and i-hate-n’sync wanna know, you both ask lah.
I normally don’t berate people who decides to migrate although I do feel disappointed every time I hears it (maybe berate is harsh word here). In my office alone, I’ve seen at least 3 persons have left (one is a Malay). I guess as long as Malaysia is perceived to be not able to provide a set of ideals that can be strive for among its citizens in the long term, educated ones will leave, that includes Malays. As for food and drinks, don’t look too far; just look at our national schools would be enough.
Calvin,
At time when blacks had to sit at backs of buses in America simply for being black, 9 Malay rulers at strokes of 9 pens granted mass citizenship on scale “unheard of” and ‘unparalleled” by any standard.
At time when “ways of the white are the ways of the world”, a political party, UMNO, that at the birth of the nation (Tanah Melayu) decided that the country to be a multiracial nation EVEN IT controlled almost 70% of parliamentary seats.
At time when minority values, cultures are expected to “dilute” with that of majority anywhere in the world, Chinese and other non Malay culture flourish in this land called “tanah Melayu’. In fact it flourishes so well to the point of minority trying to out manouvre the Malays.
WHAT THE CHINESE( by supporting the racist DAP) want is total control. Meaning malays to submit to them. They already have a clear vision and clear example. They “love” the way PAS submitting to DAP. occasional cries for Hudud are tolerated but submit PAS have to.
I am like Muhyiddin. I define myself as Muslim first, Malay second and Malaysian third. By Jerusubang definition, I don’t belong here.
I support Islam 1st. Let the new BN Government as part of the new initiative to reconcile with all launch a goodwill travel 1Malaysia Programme for youths to see for themselves and broaden their minds and outlook how other countries live, work and play as compared with our beloved Malaysia. Then, what Islam 1st says is the reality – our beloved country is unique in the World and within the next 5 years, our Prime Minister’s leadership should be able to show the 10 fingers to the Opposition and win hands down the next 14th General Elections.
Now, mischief makers tell the youths their version of our beloved Malaysia and promised the ‘never seen’ by the youths the promised land. Seeing is believing.
The Government should start tomorrow unlike the last Minister for Tourism who toured the World like a socialite, at Government’s and Rakyat’s expense !
Oh Helen. Semua perasaan terpendam selama ini. For years my kind (tolerent MCA supporters) are gentleman enough and engage in dialogue and tolerate and forgive, but really enough we have to UBAH.
UBAH and scream it out like the bloody DAPster.
I was personally cyberattacked but I kept quiet. (I am more patient than most pastors and have to bear “the cross” in silence.) The DAPster Penang lang slandered their way and we kept quiet. The poor Mamaks suffered in silence too.
Don’t think that boycotting Massimo bread, Old Town and Pappa Rich is racist. Let us boycott for our own health sake. Massimo bread, Old Town and Pappa Rich are just empty calories. By supporting them, we support the lives of the rich doctors (who have to treat our diabetic and hypertension) and gyms (to help us loose weight). Massimo is just white bread with no nutrients except SUGAR. Old Town and Pappa Rich gives us SUGAR.
Secondly MCA is too kind. We open KTAR to breed students that hate us. Our teaching staff all HATE us. MCA just stop giving scholarships to Penang students. Move it somewhere else like Kedah, Pahang, Johor etc. The elderly GENTLEMEN attitudes does not work today. So is Gerakan. All the cash given to the temples and then the temple hosts DAP head shaving session.
Thirdly, did anyone watch the movie Ah Boys To Men? It is by the Singapore evangelistic director Jack Neo who was caught having an affair with a church member. (I remember one pastor say it is the girl’s fault as she seduced him. Bullshit) The opening sequence shows Singapore being attacked by Black coloured men. Who are they? They are __________s. And the Malay character was given Beh Cheng Hiang pork in the movie. (So kind of the Chinese character). And you send the Pinoy maid to be blown up first. We dummies made this flim at big hit. Racist but we love it. Singapore can be blantantly racist but it is nationalistic.
Announcement: The DAPster Penang government is organising a Perhimpunan Penghargaan dengan Tajuk “Seorang Seundi, Bela Demokrasi”. How did I know? I got an SMS from 63001. Who is paying for this SMS? Taxpayer. If DAP sends it is info, if BN it is wasting of funds.
re: “Our teaching staff all HATE us.”
Shen Yee Aun (on behalf of MCA) had a debate with Utar lecturer Chong Zhemin (representing DAP).
Methinks many staff in the MCA-controlled newspaper really hate your party too.
Helen,
Seorang sahabat cina saya adalah pemilik restauran di Puchong. Malam minggu yang lepas saya telah pergi ke restauran tersebut. Beliau menjalankan konsep gerai bercampur yang menyediakan hanya makanan halal. Terdapat berbagai gerai, antaranya gerai mamak, nasi campur melayu, bakso indon, tauhu bakar dan minuman. Pelanggan restaurant tersebut majoritinya melayu.
Setelah selesai makan, kami berbual-bual hal semasa dan pastinya keputusan PRU menjadi topik utama. Beliau agak tersinggung kerana saya tidak pun bertanya kepadanya parti mana yang telah beliau undi. Jawapan saya kepadanya “Tau dah…”.
Beliau memberi alasan mengapa pada kali ini beliau mengundi pembangkang. “Corruption!” katanya. “BN very corrup!” katanya lagi.
Beliau memberi contoh tentang masalah berkenaan PATI warga Indonesia yang berkerja dengan beliau. Untuk mengelak dari diambil tindakan oleh penguat-kuasa, beliau terpaksa membuat pembayaran kepada pihak tertentu.
Contoh beliau yang seterusnya “Itu Majlis punya orang pun selalu mari kacau”. Saya bertanya berapakah bayaran yang diminta? Jawap beliau tiada jumlah tertentu dan segalanya “negotiable”. Saya bertanya kenapa beliau tidak mengambil pekerja asing yang sah? Atau patuhi segala syarat-syarat Majlis? Jawap beliau “Susah ma! Kita kasi wang lagi senang….”.
Hehehehehe….
P/s: Jangan tunduk Helen. Teruskan!
apa kene mengena Majlis dengan UMNO? Yang ambil duit pegawai kerajaan, bodoh kawan cina you tu?????
Pegawai Majlis=Melayu=UMNO
Sama macam LKS kata UMNO ini itu, dia kata Melayu.
AI pun sama sebab dia benci Melayu yang sokong UMNO sebab tidak bela nasib dia semasa kena buang dulu!
PAS anti UMNO tapi tak anti Melayu tapi benci Melayu UMNO sebab tak sokong PAS sebab pada PAS, PAS=Islam=PAS
Itu baru satu saja yang mengaku tak mahu ikut peraturan yang betul n then they say kena ‘ bayar’. What about the many thousands out there who are doing the same thing. Siapa yg korup?
Itu majlis perbandaran dalam Selangor. Tanya sama kerajaan PR yang menguasai Selangor. Apasal BN jadi Mangsa?
This weird species talk about bangsa Malaysia but still cry for their right to have SRJK..
Helen, just thinking aloud. When Najib made the ad playing the Chinese drums wearing cheong sam costume, there was a big hoo ha saying that he insulted the Chinese by using clothes meant for funeral. There was also big outcry when the resident bogeyman Ibrahim Ali handed out white angpows.
What do the Chinese then make out of this Black 505 campaign ? Does wearing black signifies death and brings bad luck ? Don’t see many Dapsters complaining about the cultural significance of this at all ….
re: the Black 505 campaign
Die Umno, die!
The black clothes to mourn the death of Umno, muahahahahah.
I am wondering why Dapstes should be wearing black to mourn UMNO’s death…Do they miss UMNO then ? LOL. More like they are making them a BIG target for FRU to direct their acid-laced water cannons and tear gasses….LOL…
Maybe AI will be killed by CIA operatives, thus baju hitam, to mourn his CIA designed upcoming demise. Banyak kut duit depa dia dah makan. Kalah pulak tu! Mana rosschai tak marah!
UMNO gets to be blame because AI on record had said that UMNO want him dead thus giving the CIA a free ride over their crime.
Good for you AI. You will be remembered and mourned yearly as the father of Malaysian democracy, killed for good ideals and selfless activisms.
AI death and the ensued riots by ‘AI junior cadet’ led by ABU ringleader will create the much awaited Malaysian Spring, a pretext for the US to colonise us to stop pengaruh China in South East Asia and will be smoke screened as advancing democracy and transitioning public order.
LKS and kakis will be on cloud nine! This would be Tsunami Cina of the highest order. LKY being kiasu would be made to feel like a total failure. rosschai will tt wang to Maharaja Lim of Malay-si-a.
re Announcement: The DAPster Penang government is organising a Perhimpunan Penghargaan dengan Tajuk “Seorang Seundi, Bela Demokrasi”.
But when Chai Yi Lil s/o ex uMNO when up from outside the carta in the pilihanraya DAPster upwards it is not fraud. Maybe Penang maths teachers are quite useless. They teach their studnets to count wrongly. Maybe kempen. Seorang kira Bela Matapelajaran Matematik.
Yesterday I read NST ” A bandwagon of gullible Malaysians” by Chok Suat Ling.
The big question in it was
1. “Why are Malaysian so gullible and
2. more importantly what does a Malaysian look like?”
For no 1 CSLing answer with : Some people are just very easily deceived. One does not need to be a sociologist, psychologist, or feng shui master to conclude that Malaysia are a gullible lot. This appears unlikely to change, it might in fact just get worse.
For no 2 :This question answer by Kimberly Legget when ask : How does a malaysian look like? How are we meant to look like?.
She answer : As a country we pride ourselves on being a blend of backgrounds and a melting pot of cultures that’s unified 1malaysia. there is no such thing as a malaysian look.
Some forget that the melting pot of cultures means you rejoice of your differences. You love who you are but at the same times you respect everyone else. This is what malaysian really is.
At the same times at page 15 Dr Chandra Muzaffar write about “Are the chinese marginalised”.
Guess yesterday they fuming at NST hmmmm…:D
You know Helen, whoever who quoted Matthew and use the three identical pictures to represent the finger and blood of three races in Malaysia is in itself perpetuating a lie – unless the finger belongs to an equal part mixed Malay-Chinese-Indian person.
I am working out on the possible Mendelian combination to arrive at aan equal MCI mix, i.e. Malay mGf + Chinese mGm = MalayChinese Mother; Malay pGf + Indian pGm = MalayIndian Father. That still gives us two part Malay, one part Chinese and Indian each Child. I suspect for the perfect specimen of equal parts, we might need to go three rung higher.
Christian?
Meant if the Matthew quoter believes his tribe can swing a virgin birth …
Helen. Our pen crossed in Borneo Unleashed 1 or 2 years back. I commented that I did not like the way you smashed Darin Seri Rosmah on the marriage prospect of her faughter. I told you that I would not say such things or comments to my worst enemy even. I was surprised you wrote me a reply in the Blog – somewhat apologetic… I noted something was different about you. I hope what I ‘see’ now is you yourself. You’re a true Malaysian Chinese.
Wak cannot agree more with you that while keeping our tags as Bumis, Indians, Chinese and Malay we declare ourselves as Malaysians is a more meaningful manifestation of racial unity. It’s realistic and scientifically sound. Islam, as stated in the Quran never denies the existense of race or racial groups,
“[49:13] O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).”
As all know Islam does not advocate racism; but it at the same time it does not defy the existence of races. And it places righteousness above race. To me, again, I’d say DAP is hypocritical about its push for the Malaysian Malaysia. What it wants is the political power and the supreme political seat in the Nation – PM. I don’t think the hardcore Malays would ever surrender this when they uphold that Malaysia was built from Tanah Melayu. What I am scared is that, if puched to the corner, instead of ‘submitting’ to a political supremacy of the Malaysian Chinese – as in Singapore – ; they (the Malays) would rather subjugate themselves to their big brother, Indonesia. Like Acheh – an autonomuos entity within the Motherland (Indonesia) of the Rumpunan Melayu. A possiblity…
(1) Our pens have never crossed. I’m not aware of any website called Borneo Unleashed (Hornbill Unleased, yes).
(2) I never smashed Rosmah Mansor on her daughter’s marriage prospect. As anyone who has followed this blog regularly would know, she’s not at all a topic I dwell on.
(3) I do not make comments about my worst enemies anything like you’re suggesting. Again, anyone who has follwed my blog would know this.
(4) There are cybertroopers who go around hijacking the names of genuine commenters. Thus far, Calvin Sankaran, Aidil Yunus, I.D.A., Pakatan Puak Pembohong (PPP) and I’m sure many others as well have fallen victim, as have I.
(5) If you noted that “something was different” about me, then obviously it wasn’t me lah.
That’s why I’ve been complaining that these unscrupulous people are a real menace b’cos they have no qualms at all in spreading the most unimaginably vicious lies.
(6) You can read about the impersonator I caught red-handed after being alerted by PPP. He pretends to be “Mohd Aziz” but is Ravin and a race-religion changing chameleon. See, https://helenang.wordpress.com/2013/04/09/dapsters-hate-mualaf-and-mamak-very-much-open-comment/
(7) If you can provide me the link where ‘I’ purportedly had an exchange with you, I’ll have a look.
But I must repeat and again emphatically stress, these kiasu cyber operators are dangerous b’cos there are no boundaries that they respect and no malicious lies that they will not stoop to tell.
Then that would make it a much, much better picture. And I wish you all the best. Let’s make our Malaysia an ideal Nation – for the Malays, Chinese, Indians and all Bumis. One day I won’t be surprised to see you on the actual political stage. You have the right make up. I will be gone by then though. Sudah tua baaahh! Anyway, thank you for your immediate reply.
PS: Borneo Unleashed,
http://hornbillunleashed.wordpress.com/
And Helen, he is one of them.
Wak whoever you are, please don’t bullshit about the Malays subjugating our self to our big brother, Indonesia. This is pure dumb down with niat jahat nevertheless.
The Malays are progenitor of rumpun Nusantara (Polynesia and Austronesia) termasuk Indonesia and those of you out here yang buta sejarah thinking that the Malays originated from Indonesia are plain stupid. Island (and Tanah Melayu) hoppings are the norms back then.
Case in point Malayan Union but the Malays choose to be united and fight instead of calling our so called big brother, Indonesia.
Wak you memang bangang tahap gaban!
Helen,
Agree with no 6. my name have been hijack a few times this past few weeks before GE13.
What kind of people are they?!
They try to make those who suppost knew me hate me to the max. Suddenly the tone of my post change to radical. That was insult to my characters. If I mis one day reviewing and monitor my comment to other blogs, they will attact by twisting my previous comment.
The way I fight them back was by direcly asking people who know me to write back by asking this people some questions about me. On that time we don’t familiar with RBA (Red bean army). My guess was, this was their job.
Hate this charecter so much that when I realize what happen to you, I jump up to help you.
:( sarah
Precisely. You’re right as to the malicious motive of their fabrications.
They fake racist/radical comments in other people’s names to make the general public hate or turn on the targetted victim.
Even in the Stop the Lies blog, I’ve come across the most vile comments penned about me and attributed to ‘Calvin Sankaran’. Of course I’m aware that the real Calvin did not write it and so would STL regulars.
But in other lesser known blogs and Facebook, the impersonation could do a lot of damage.
However STL should have exercised a greater control over its reader-generated content. The bloggers at STL are shadowy as they’re anonymous but it’s easy to detect that they’re an MCA-Star vehicle.
With regard to the question “What kind of people are they”, they are dangerous, obviously. More so if some of the lie fabricators have access to an organizational platform that can reach an audience of 5.63 million.
…imagine
Shallow firsters left out the eurasians, dayaks & other pribumis.