Why the Pakatan popular vote advantage is nothing to shout about

May 21, 2013 at 1:17 pm 72 comments

Pakatan have gone to town shouting that the 5,623,984 votes or 50.87% it won for Parliament nationwide makes them the more legitimate winner of GE13 than BN which won a total of 5,237,699 votes or 47.38%.

In other words, Pakatan candidates nationwide collected 386,285 more Parliament votes than did their BN opponents

However the fact of the matter is that Teresa Kok alone had 51,552 votes more than her MCA rival in Seputeh.

DAP’s Tan Kok Wai had a majority of 37,409 votes in Cheras over the MCA candidate. DAP’s Tan Seng Giaw had a majority of 40,307 votes over the PPP candidate.

Between the three DAP stalwarts, the trio collected a majority of 129,268.

In other words, compare that 222 Pakatan candidates nationwide had altogether 386,285 votes more than their 222 BN opponents.

However a mere three DAP candidates in KL collectively had 129,268 votes more than their three BN opponents.

Only three DAP MPs – Teresa Kok, Tan Kok Wai and Tan Seng Giaw – had already accounted for almost one-third of the much vaunted “popular vote” majority that the Pakatan is going to town with.

The bulk of the popular vote advantage gained by Pakatan can be said to be contributed by the avalanche in only a handful of DAP urban constituencies.

Update: On second thoughts, the headline sounds like I begrudge the opposition their popularity.

To give credit where credit is due, admittedly the oppo won more votes but like Adi pointed out, DAP-PAS-PKR are not a formally registered coalition and they contested under their own separate party logos.

A more appropriate title might perhaps say that the popular vote advantage is not representative as it is DAP-centric and the bulk came from the Chinese urban areas.

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  • 1. zack  |  May 21, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    Sinar Harian yesterday and today had charts and analysis about this popular. Basically UMNO alone garnered more popular votes than all parties, followed by PKR and DAP. In terms of seats, it is BN, followed by DAP. Remember that Pakatan is not a registered party but a loose coalition.
    In most states UMNO garnered in most states except in Penang, WP and Selangor as well as Sarawak (because UMNO did not participate).

    • 2. Helen Ang  |  May 21, 2013 at 1:39 pm

      Thanks for the SH link.

      As anticipated by most pundits, it’s true that generally Umno regained the Malay vote (swing back).

      However I’ll need to look at T’ganu and Kelantan more closely.

    • 3. shamsulariffin  |  May 21, 2013 at 6:03 pm

      jgn layan org meroyan nak jd PM. peliwat tu bkn tak tahu demokrasi di Malaysia ikut jumlah kerusi bkn ikut jumlah undi. dulu dia jd TPM ikut jumlah undi ke? putar alam, putar belit, putar pungkoq. putar3. LAIN KALI LAH. INI KALI SUDAH KALAH

    • 4. ChineseNoReasonToStay  |  May 21, 2013 at 7:28 pm

      It seems the Malays are too simple minded. The communist chinese cadres are adapt at pretensions. So it seems the fight against the communist chinese is not over.

      The UMNO leadership must devise strategies to reduce the Chinese population in malaysia just as the Chinese government of Singapore increase the communist chinese population on the Malay island of singapore. That is the only defense against DAP Chinese chauvinism. But that is the nature of every race so UMNO Presidents cannot remain being the happiest PM in the world mentality until they lose the country.

      Why are UMNO leaders not doing this?

      This is an obvious self defence that any govt in power would do. the answer is that there so many UMNO leaders with Indian fathers that Malay culture preservation is never a priority at all or even if they thought about it. Mahathir father is Tamil, his deputy Anwar father is Tamil so is it any surprise that there was nothing done to reduce Chinese or even Indian population as Singapore had done to the Malay population?

      Instead UMNO started bringing back Chinese and Indian under the pretext of TalentCorp!! How stupid can they be? Except UMNO leaders were never Malays in the first place.

      Only MCA Chinese should be encourage to stay as they understand this is Malay country. DAP Chinese should be rewarded for moving out as they are only confrontational and racists. TalentCorp CEO should be sacked and the unit used to place out Chinese not happy with Malay culture and Malay language.

      The Chinese has no reason to be citizens of Malaysia. No other country give citizenships to Chinese and Indians even in poor Myanmar. They are not happy with the citizenships that was hammered out by the British and they are not wanted by the Malays except by Mahathir and others maybe for his family economic reasons.

      All these while Malays thought the Chinese are part of malaysia because of the self interest of UMNO Presidents. The fact is that DAP Chinese want to grab power. And if they managed to do that there are 1.5 billion communist chinese waiting to be brought in. So the reduction of the Chinese population is a must for Malays self preservation and good race relation.

      A good chinese is one who is back in mainland China.

      • 5. islam1st  |  May 21, 2013 at 8:19 pm

        Clearly you are not simple minded.

      • 6. desiderata  |  May 27, 2013 at 4:22 pm

        Haha, what this guy is saying is like saying the only real Malay is a LAZY ONE dependent on special rights to survive day to day.

  • 7. tukang komen  |  May 21, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    You are right Helen. His PM’s days are numbered. Bite the dust Anwar

    • 8. Ismail  |  May 22, 2013 at 2:12 pm

      Anwar, berhenti je lah!

  • 9. AK47  |  May 21, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    We must follow the rule of the laws and not the laws of the jungle. Black is black and white is white since time immemorial.

    • 10. A Rambler  |  May 21, 2013 at 4:11 pm

      You must mean the ‘taik cicak’ law? Tell that to Anuar if he can ‘grasp’ that.

    • 11. Ismail  |  May 22, 2013 at 2:15 pm

      Setuju, tahu peraturan dan undang-undang itu ada tapi buat macam tak ada undang-undang dia orang ni, nak berbaju hitam, pakailah sampai akhir hayat dan bila nak dikubur nanti, pakai hitam juga baru padan muka, putih juga dipakai akhirnya!!

  • 12. zack  |  May 21, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    This english article summed up the Sinar Harian articles.


    • 13. Helen Ang  |  May 21, 2013 at 1:47 pm

      In conclusion, Umno has got the Malays solidly behind the party.

      So what next?

      The Chinese screaming and shouting are not able to see the picture. How ah?

      • 14. nisbah  |  May 21, 2013 at 8:00 pm

        Lets not beat around the bush. Chinese (majority) are desparately feeling trapped in this malay-ruled country. They wanted a chinese prime minister and do away with a malay agong.The best way to release out is to rebel. To hell with the history of this malay civilisation.

        To insult the malays is by thrashing umno. They forgot that umno is embraced by many malays not just a political party but an institution. Insulting umno will incur the wrath of the malays. They thought that by destroying umno they will make the malays kneel down? The politicians in umno may come and go but umno will be there forever as long as Allah swt allows.

        Umno has been battered by within and with-out since inception but splinter groups to demolish umno like pas, semangat46, pkr, and probably many more will be futile.

        Dear helen, why does the chinese community at large despise the malay rule?

        I doubt that the chinese was duped by dap. I dont want to insult the chinese intelligence nor would I allow them to claim innocence.

        The corruption blame-game is outdated and should be erased from the idiot-guide books. Not a good method to tear down someone as proven by anwar ibrahim, mustafa ali and even the dap lim dynasty.

        The truth helen? Is it the skin colour? Remember ‘bangla’ voters? How come chinese voters were not screen? They looked like taiwanese or mainland china or even singaporeans.

        Look at the nicey words showered onto you by many of your malay readers here. Are they truthful and sincere? Telling good about you but behind you they slander? But I believe the praises onto you are genuine.

        Put your position as datuk seri najib now. Have you seen him with a big grin and teatherical joyful and full of confidence remarks? He is still reeling back to recover from the insult by none other than the chinese community he sought for support.

        Helen we are just sharing our thoughts. No intention to put pressure on you. An honest and truthful insight on how the chinese think about our complicated and sophisticated society living under the malaysian sky can lead towards a better understanding and hopefully will scrap the long mistrust that we have been habouring for half a century.

        Malays has begun to discard the apologetic attitude. Who will speak for the chinese?

        • 15. Helen Ang  |  May 21, 2013 at 8:17 pm

          (1) I don’t agree with the vicious behaviour by some (I dunno what percentage to put to it) Chinese.

          (2) I don’t agree with their treatment of DS NTR and the kurang ajar that they’re showing.

          (3) I don’t agree with their attitude such as going for the free MCA mega dinner, melantak dan kemudian tunjuk biadab terhadap tuan rumah, and their inability to menghayati perpatah orang berbudi, kita berbahasa. Tak tahu langit tinggi rendah.

          (4) I especially deplore the way they menabur fitnah di merata-rata, suka putar-alam dan mahu menyeret semua orang lain masuk longkang mereka.

          (5) I realise it’s very difficult now for the Malays untuk bersangka baik.

          (6) Following the trajectory that we’re on now, a collision is inevitable sooner rather than later. But the Dapsters are truly unable to see this or to imagine this possibility. It’s impossible to get through to them.

          (7) The Star has contributed to the symptoms mentioned above and should be held responsible and made accountable.

          • 16. islam1st  |  May 21, 2013 at 8:23 pm

            Terima Kasih Helen, kerana memahami. Sincerely.

            • 17. nisbah  |  May 21, 2013 at 9:43 pm

              Helen, in your opinion, who should speak for the chinese?

              Mca and gerakan has played ostrich.

              Whoever had opened the pandora box should be accountable. Rain showers do not choose spots.

              Transformation policies and rewards by najib administration doesnt mean anything to the chinese. Nothing much was promised to the malays either.

              There is nothing to loose. The silence from the chinese community is very deafening.

              Nonetheless you have made an effort. There should be more voices of your nature. In the non-event, put on your seatbelts…

              • 18. Helen Ang  |  May 21, 2013 at 10:05 pm

                I think the caravan Malaysia should just move on. Hindraf has jumped on board the wagon — it’s a decision one (various segments of the community) has to make.

                Looking at the 90 percent now, I’m of the belief that nothing can penetrate their behaviour. Beri madu pasti akan dibalas tuba.

                • 19. nisbah  |  May 21, 2013 at 10:49 pm

                  So you setuju kita beri tuba?

                  Please continue with your revelation so that potholes can be avoided. Mind the signboards.

                  Unapologetic malays do not look towards najib & co for reconciliation. It is a waste of time. Once slapped twice shy.

                  We will do it our way.

                  • 20. D  |  May 22, 2013 at 2:29 am

                    Eh pundek…who the flying fuck slapped you ? Helen Ang?

                    • 21. islam1st  |  May 23, 2013 at 5:05 am

                      D, shame on your ancestors, is that the only thing that your parents had managed to teach you for all these years of makan tiduq?

                      Anyway, stop pigging here and kindly take your pundek along with you!

                    • 22. Servant of God  |  May 23, 2013 at 9:25 am

                      Aiyoo… mau marah2 kalu, kasi faham orang cakap apa dulu…

                    • 23. Ramayana  |  May 24, 2013 at 5:19 am

                      DAP fuckers still don’t get it. This precise behaviour just serves to make the Rakyat even more pissed off with the Cinapeks.

        • 24. desiderata  |  May 27, 2013 at 6:37 pm

          Please dont insult the intelligence of the Chinese in Malaysia suggesting trash like this saying we want a Chinese Prime Minister. Never once have I ever heard this suggested except in proUMNO forums like this. The Chinese are not as stupid as you are suggesting here!

          • 25. Helen Ang  |  May 27, 2013 at 7:12 pm

            re: “The Chinese are not as stupid as you are suggesting here!”

            I really doubt that any of the “pro-Umno” forumers here would suggest that Chinese are “stupid”. They may believe that Chinese are a whole lot of other things, but ‘stupid’ does not usually top the list.

            (1) Why shouldn’t the Chinese clamour for a Chinese PM? After all, the DAP is always shouting “meritocracy”.

            Merit for a job means giving it to the best qualified person.

            Merit does not limit the applicants to Malays only. He may be a Kelabit (like Idris Jala), a Dayak (like Baru Bian), an Indian or whichever Malaysian First we’re-one-race-our-blood-is-the-same-red, yadda, yadda.

            (2) The DAP is always shouting that Chinese want to be treated as “first-class” citizens (or not second class). That Chinese want equal and fair treatment. That Chinese are against discrimination and are colour-blind.

            In which case why kick up a fuss that it’s a lie to say the Chinese want to see LGE installed as PM?

            Why should he even be seen as a “Chinese” going for the job? Isn’t he a Malaysian First individual qualified for the job on merit. After all, the Chinese think so very, very highly of LGE’s abilities and I’m sure they think he is better qualified than any Malay currently in the Umno stable.

            Even Karpal once said that LEG should be PM.

            Why discriminate against yourself when the Federal Constitution doesn’t discriminate? Even Dr M has said before that the FedCon does not in theory bar any Malaysian from becoming PM due to his religion or skin colour.

            • 26. desiderata2  |  May 28, 2013 at 2:23 am

              First off, “Helen”, Karpal Singh does not represent the Chinese. He is not even Chinese, remember. He is thinking in terms of the best people from his party. But remember LKS is always careful to proclaim Anwar to be PM designate because as a politician, he sure knows what is palatable to the majority of the population (the Malays) and what is not. Much as we prefer meritocracy, we know it will be politically unfeasible. We are not so stupid we cannot see this fact, sad though it may be!

              Second, I do indeed think the comments on your site are from proUMNO cybertroopers and I reiterate I think they are insulting our intelligence claiming we are communist and what not and suggesting we move out (I am definitely staying, thank you). Nobody I know from the Chinese community is even a closet communist. What trash!

              Third, what is wrong with pushing for meritocracy? That is not to say that a Chinese is always better. But why rule anyone out in any other arena than politics just because he is Chinese? How do you think the Koreans got so far ahead of Malaysian engineers? By their universities admitting mediocre undergraduate students and then producing mediocre graduates by massaging grades? Hey, they got ahead of us by making their universities’ entrance exams so competitive they get to pick the best.

              Why, the issue of meritocracy is so engrained into Chinese culture. We were the people who invented this thing called competitive exams, remember?. Malaysia is a nation of 28 million only. Why is Malaysia even restricting ourselves to certain races only for anything when our talent pool is so small? This is a sure fire recipe for falling behind as a nation. This is a savagely competitive world and we have inevitably consigned ourselves to the rubbish heap of the also ran nations one day with this policy of picking talent by race and ruling out some because of race. Yes, the Chinese in Malaysia are angry because we are stuck in a country that will slowly fall further and further behind because we think we can erect protective barriers that will protect us forever, no matter how far back we slide in competitiveness as a nation. The Malays may be quite content to be jaguh kampongs, but not the Chinese, certainly not us. We want to be able to compete, but you can imagine the frustration of being denied the chance on no other ground than race.

              Finally, the number of Malays is already multiplying so fast, and it gets worse when we admit any number of second generation foreigners who is Muslim to be bumiputeras. They will also want to “share” eventually. They will also clamour for “rights” while a 10th generation Chinese baba is never accorded right to a “share” but they must work extra hard to generate growth of the pie a part of which they are expected to give up.

              • 27. Helen Ang  |  May 28, 2013 at 5:28 am

                Your own words: “Much as we prefer meritocracy, we know it will be politically unfeasible. We are not so stupid we cannot see this fact, sad though it may be!”

                So you’re cherry-picking. You make up the rules as to what is feasible and what is not, when it’s expedient and when it’s not, and you shift the goalposts as and when you like.

                If you want to promote meritocracy – and Karpal the chairman of the DAP believes that Guan Eng the sec-gen of his party is the best man to be PM – then stick to your meritocratic principle instead of buat pusing dan putar.

                I can accept if DAP proclaims that it is not realistic nor politically feasible to put forward a Chinese for the job of PM. And it’s true. But don’t need lah to bluff that no single Chinese in Malaysia has any ambition to be PM or is seeking to become one.

                This DAP denial is denying the very principle of meritocracy that the party (and you) claim to be championing.

                It’s like if some black politicians in the 1970s were to declare that no single black American has ever harboured the ambition of ever becoming his country’s president. It may have been unrealistic and political unfeasible in the USA in the 1970s but if the blacks then were making Equal Opportunities their civil rights platform, then they should not discourage black kids – as Obama would have been then – from “having a dream”.

                re: “Second, I do indeed think the comments on your site are from proUMNO cybertroopers and I reiterate I think they are insulting our intelligence claiming we are communist and what not and suggesting we move out (I am definitely staying, thank you). Nobody I know from the Chinese community is even a closet communist. What trash!”

                What the other races in Malaysia – and not just the Malays alone – cannot stand about the DAP Chinese is the hypocrisy. It’s not the demands for being given a fair go (“merit”) that is objectionable but the DAP hypocritical attitude.

                The ‘Malaysian First’ pose rejecting “racism” is a case in point. The non-Chinese feel their intelligence is insulted when they’re presumed to be so stupid as not to be able to see through the DAP posturing and subterfuge.

                Your own words: “Third, what is wrong with pushing for meritocracy? That is not to say that a Chinese is always better.”

                Nothing wrong at all. So why pretend that no Chinese is ever fit to be PM? DAP is doing a great disservice to the cause of the Chinese community by dissimulating that no Chinese is eyeing the PM job, just for the sake of the party not scaring their PAS/PKR partners or frightening away the Malay votes.

                In fact, some of the readers of this blog whom you term “Umno cybertroopers” are open to the idea of a Chinese PM. If he really has to be a Chinese, they don’t mind that the job be given to Wee Choo Keong (who’s popular with the crowd here).

                Rejecting a Chinese PM is projecting the DAP’s own racism onto the Malay worldview. Already, our PMs were themselves of mixed race. Tunku had Siamese blood, Hussein Onn Turkish, Dr M Indian as the Dapsters never cease reminding us, and Dollah has Chinese blood.

                If you notice, Zambry Abdul Kadir the Perak MB looks more Indian than mamak. He’s the Umno MB. It’s not the Malays who are making an issue of his skin colour but the DAP evangelistas who created an uproar with the “metallic black” slur.

                Your words: “But why rule anyone out in any other arena than politics just because he is Chinese? How do you think the Koreans got so far ahead of Malaysian engineers?”

                Why rule out the arena of politics? If you want to push “meritocracy”, then stick to the principle.

                There are no constitutional impediments to a Chinese becoming the PM. Even in the states where the state constitution stipulates that the MB should be Malay and Muslim, there is an exemption clause. In the Perak constitution for example, following the article stating that the MB should be Malay and Muslim, there’s a further article stating that the Sultan has the discretion to make an exception according to his wisdom.

                (A parallel example: The DAP party constitution states that a person has to be a party member for 2 years before he’s eligible to stand for public office on the party ticket. However exemption can be given by the CEC. In practice, so many of the 2.0 and 3.0 Yang Berhormats do not fulfil the criterion of having been DAP members for 2 years before being put up for public office — Hannah Yeoh, Tony Pua, Teo Nie Ching, Charles Santiago, Ong Kian Ming, Yeo Bee Yin, the late Edward Lee were all DAP members mere months before they were handpicked to augment the Christian coterie).

                Your words: “Why is Malaysia even restricting ourselves to certain races only for anything when our talent pool is so small?”

                If even Dr M is willing to publicly state that there’s nothing to block Malaysia from having a Chinese PM, why does DAP set back our Chinese equal rights by several decades? All because of the DAP’s political gamesmanship.

                Look, if the Chinese candidate for PM is Lim Guan Eng, then I’d rather have Bung Moktar as PM. LGE is the last person among our 222 MPs whom I’d like to see as PM. However for the sake of this argument, and even though the last thing I want to see is a DAP PM (if all the option we have is Guan Eng or anyone in the current DAP stable), nonetheless I would still stick to the principle that the Federal Constitution qualifies any Chinese to be the country’s PM.

                Your words: “Yes, the Chinese in Malaysia are angry because we are stuck in a country that will slowly fall further and further behind because we think we can erect protective barriers that will protect us forever, no matter how far back we slide in competitiveness as a nation. The Malays may be quite content to be jaguh kampongs, but not the Chinese, certainly not us. We want to be able to compete, but you can imagine the frustration of being denied the chance on no other ground than race.”

                Like I said earlier, a number of the Malay readers of this blog would not deny Wee Choo Keong a shot at becoming PM on the basis of his race. It’s not that the majority population is slamming the door in our faces. It’s a matter of how we knock. DAP is seen not as knocking but as attempting to break the door down. In other more famous words, “like barbarians at the gate”. The onslaught on Johor recently underscores this point.

                Your own words: “Finally, the number of Malays is already multiplying so fast, and it gets worse when we admit any number of second generation foreigners who is Muslim to be bumiputeras. They will also want to “share” eventually. They will also clamour for “rights” while a 10th generation Chinese baba is never accorded right to a “share” but they must work extra hard to generate growth of the pie a part of which they are expected to give up.”

                We don’t even need to make a comparison of the second generation. A Bangladeshi who’s been here 5 months can speak better Malay than a Malaysian Firster (Chinese) who’s lived here 50 years, or whose parents were born in Malaysia.

                If you’re a Malay, what would you make of the language anomaly between a foreigner (the Burmese can speak BM too) and the Chinese Malaysian who’s thumping his chest on Firstness? Language is just one area. There are many other areas indicating the lack of adaptation.

                You might counter that a Baba Nyonya is a fluent Malay speaker, so why is the 10th generation Chinese Baba still denied Bumiputera rights whereas a second generation Muslim immigrant can be given it.

                My reply would be that the 90 percent of the Chinese spoilt the market for the 10 percent Babas. It’s a collective punishment like how I’ve been told that I will be “collateral damage” in the Malay backlash against the Chinese even though I’m in the 10 percent that didn’t vote Pakatan in the last GE.

                At the heart of the matter is that the second/third generation Muslim immigrants are accepted by the local community as Malays. One example is Anas Zubedy. It’s said that his grandparents are Yemeni. Anas was probably born into Malay culture. But in any case, he clearly embraces Malay culture.

                The truth is the Chinese are seen as aliens. The Chinese demand for “meritocracy” is simply a code word for doing away with the NEP policies which are enabled by Article 153 (the ‘Malay special position’ mechanism).

                The Malays will keep the ‘special position’ provided for by the FedCon as long as Chinese are perceived as aliens in their midst.

                They do not have issue with any other races in Malaysia. Everybody else is embraced — the Siamese, the Serani Portuguese descendents, the mamaks. All are able to get themselves absorbed into the bumiputera polity. Only the Chinese are excluded (the Indians will be included if they continue to vote BN in GE14 and after GE15, GE16, the Indians will eventually be absorbed too).

                If the door is open for practically everybody else to be accepted by the Malays, then you have to ask yourself honestly if the problem lies with the Chinese.

                • 28. desiderata  |  May 28, 2013 at 10:44 am

                  First, “HelenAng”, you are clearly a full time UMNO cyberblogger. I cant spend as much time debating with you as I’d like. Second, you are perhaps more guilty of cherry picking than I.

                  There is a clear difference between promoting meritocracy as a matter of principle and adopting it as their principle political platform, across the board, such as in their choice of who to be PM. So what if the Constitution doesn’t say only a Malay can be PM? The reality is that the racism of the Malays will not permit one. Your crowd rooting for Wee Cho Keong? Come on. Don’t humour me. Push comes to shove, at the voting booth, your crowd here would not tick his name no matter what they tell you.

                  A simple analogy. I’d love to drive a BMW. My financial position does allow me to indulge in this bit of monetary indiscretion. But as matter of financial priorities, I have never allowed myself to own one.

                  DAP’s priority as a political entity is to get as many seats as it can. You call it political subterfuge. I call it pragmatism.

                  If you were an excellent cook of international repute, and you can cook a mean dish each and every time, you’d still not open a Michellin 5-star restaurant in Kg Baru. That would be business suicide. It does not matter that your dishes are the best in town according to all the international food critics out there. So you compromise on a key detail. You don’t set up shop where you can’t sell.

                  BTW, I am a PKR guy, not DAP precisely because I think the DAP is too Chinese and not palatable for the average Malay. Not that I blame them. They tried, but mishaps like Tunku Abd Aziz and several wolves in sheep’s clothing who slipped past their vetting process, so they are moving to a more multiracial makeup with extreme caution.

                  And the blanket effectiveness of UMNO’s propaganda machine given their choke-hold on the only available media those days (the print media) in combination with their attack on the poor governance issue being centred around the unfairness of UMNO’s concept of what constitutes “equity”, they have come to be vilified as anti-Malay.

                  “HelenAng” sounds so Christian, but clearly you are not one, unless you are a Melayu Christian. BTW, LKS and LGE and Karpal are clearly not Christian. Pray, why on earth they would promote a “Christian” agenda by courting a “Christian coterie like you put it? For your info, fully half of all urban Chinese are Christian, so if you just bother to throw a stone into a crown of urban Chinese, chances are good you would hit a Christian. So much for your conspirator theory. So very UMNO a theory, “HelenAng”. Congrats for showing your true colours.

                  • 29. Helen Ang  |  May 28, 2013 at 11:21 am

                    Wow. Simply throwing accusations is a convincing counter argument?

                    re: “First, “HelenAng”, you are clearly a full time UMNO cyberblogger.”

                    I can also say that you’re a Lim Komtar cyber operative sent to harass me what. After all, no need to show any proof. And you talk just like Guan Eng by linking everything to Umno. He had linked the Consumer Association of Penang (CAP) President to Umno too.

                    re: “I cant spend as much time debating with you as I’d like.”

                    Well, neither can I. You’re eating into my time as I need to go out very shortly. And you can see also that my earlier comment was time-stamped 5.28am. So I’ve additionally sacrificed my sleep in order to reply to readers.

                    If you “can’t spend as much time debating” me, then don’t. Kehadiranmu di sini tidak diundang dan pemergianmu tidak akan diratapi.

                    Second, you are perhaps more guilty of cherry picking than I.

                    I don’t really have to respond to someone who declares that “The reality is that the racism of the Malays will not permit one [a Chinese PM].”

                    re: “HelenAng” sounds so Christian, but clearly you are not one, unless you are a Melayu Christian.”

                    Again you reveal the shallowness of your knowledge in not your pettiness – of all things – in attacking my name. Haven’t heard of the Greek legend ‘Helen of Troy’ before, ah? Don’t you know that Greek ‘pagan’ civilization predates Christendom?

                    re: “For your info, fully half of all urban Chinese are Christian, so if you just bother to throw a stone into a crown of urban Chinese, chances are good you would hit a Christian.”

                    Good. I hope the other commenter Sham (quite mistaken in his ” 10% ” theory) takes note of your statistic that “fully half of all urban Chinese are Christian”.

                    re: “So much for your conspirator theory. So very UMNO a theory, ‘HelenAng’. Congrats for showing your true colours.”

                    I’m glad you’ve shown us the colours of one PKR supporter.

                    • 30. desiderata  |  May 28, 2013 at 12:05 pm

                      Well, I shall stage my pemergian from your UMNO cybertrooper website. BTW in the modern context, Helen certainly is a Christian name. We are certainly not living in the Peloponnesian Wars era anymore or are we still?

                      And why on earth are we quibbling about 10% or 20% or 50% makeup of Christians among the Chinese leading to a “Christian coterie” in DAP unless you are religious bigot to boot? What relevance has religion to DAP politics, except to UMNO types? DAP welcomes people of all religions and race to the party for your info. UMNO was and remains unabashedly a race based party and pretends to fight for all Malaysians by co-opting MCA into a BN so that it can legitimise race based discrimination with the cover of agreement from MCA as the representative of the Chinese. So much for that cover now that the Chinese have given MCA the boot.

  • 31. Adi  |  May 21, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    What popular vote? Pakatan is not a legally registered entity. At the end of the day BN still has the popular votes vs. PKR vs DAP vs PAS vs. PSM vs Bebas,

    Am I wrong?

    • 32. Helen Ang  |  May 21, 2013 at 1:45 pm


      Okay lah, technically you are correct.

      That just goes to show the success of the Pakatan propaganda that a lot of us missed the forest for the trees!

      • 33. D  |  May 22, 2013 at 2:32 am

        You clearly are a brainless twat. Plus a cheap one. What is the going rate for a bad hair Ang these days?

        • 34. Dira  |  May 22, 2013 at 9:38 am

          And you clearly have nothing clever to say besides hurling insults at people.

        • 35. islam1st  |  May 23, 2013 at 5:11 am

          Gosh you are still here, RBA alerts everyone, albeit the odikal one!

          Must be very cheap kan, DAP have been paying these monkeys!

        • 36. Servant of God  |  May 23, 2013 at 9:28 am

          Aiyaaa, this type of bugger being let in ah? Feeling brainy some more, else would not accuse others of being brainless.

          So, D the Buggering Brain, are you capable of more than insults?

    • 37. MatSentol  |  May 21, 2013 at 2:40 pm

      I think Anwar watched too much American Idol, or still nostalgic about Akademi Fantasia. Get a life lah, Anwar. ini bukan ‘realiti show’, ini adalah REALITI!

  • 38. pengundi atas pagar  |  May 21, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    pendidikan bagaimana sistem pilihanraya di Malaysia wajib ditekankan di sekolah. jadi budak-budak ni tak jadi burung kakak tua ikut saja cakap big boss diorang tanpa tahu sistem sebenar negara Malaysia.

    masalahnya, org luar pun tahu system kita mcm mana, kenapa org kita sendiri buta?


    • 39. Helen Ang  |  May 21, 2013 at 1:51 pm

      Ulang siar:

      “Using the analogy of a football match, he [pemimpin Gerakan di Pulau Pinang] said the opposition should realise that the team that scored more goals would win a match, not the team with the most fans in the stadium.

      ‘”Likewise, under the country’s first-past-the-pole election system, a party needs to win more seats, not just popular votes, to triumph,’ said Baljit SIngh.”

      • 40. pengundi atas pagar  |  May 21, 2013 at 1:59 pm

        LOL suka sangat dengan analogi football match tu XDD


      • 41. Fakin' Fake Calvin  |  May 21, 2013 at 5:33 pm

        I beg to differ.

        I think it’s more like a league. You can score the most goals & conceded the least but at the end of the day the points are all that matters.

        You can thump your opponents 5-0 a number of times but if you lose by the odd goals here & there or have a lot of draws you’d still end up losing the league to the team that wins by 1-0 all season.

        Afterall winning 5-0, 5-4 or 1-0 is still worth 3 points. More goals equal better entertainment value but the 3 points are all that matters.

        As such I’d like to equate BN & PR this season as MU & MC respectively. The former was written off as the season started for having dodgy defence & midfield while the soothsayers were swooning over the latter being the defending champions.

        MU wobbled all the way through the season but won 3 points with single goal victories throughout the season while MC entertained but failed to be ruthless.

        Bottom line? MU won comfortably despite pundits writing them off at the start of the season.

        MC manager whined & whined about how they don’t deserve to lose etc & he ended up getting the sack. Now Anwar should be given the sack too for failure no?

        • 42. Helen Ang  |  May 21, 2013 at 5:49 pm

          No, issues with whatever sports analogy. I don’t watch football and rarely watch badminton.

  • 43. Not OK Man  |  May 21, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    You would notice that Pakatan is not popular in Sarawak (except Chinese Kuching). Sarawak is the most Christian state and yet they reject PR Christianity. Why? The Christian Bumis cannot trust the DAPster Evangelistas. They sense “ada udang di sebalik batu”. The Jerusubang Jesus-ness does not seem sincere. In fact the video of LGE that Helen tagged has only Chinese Christians. No Bumis were there. Trust is the WORD.

  • 44. Tired of Politics  |  May 21, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    Using badminton as another analogy, the player who wins two sets is the winner, not the player who accumulates the most number of points.
    Player A defeats player B in the first set: 21-19.
    Player A is defeated by player B in the second set: 15-21.
    Player A defeats player B in the rubber set: 21-18.
    Player A wins because he is the first to win two sets, even though his total number of points in the 3 sets played is lower than player B (21+15+21=57, compared to 19+21+18=58).

    • 45. Helen Ang  |  May 21, 2013 at 2:04 pm


      Your analogy is strong on the detail behind the rationale.

  • 46. IDA  |  May 21, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    Badminton anology widely used by pro umno/bn bloggers & cybertroopers.

    I totally agreed with Adi.

    • 47. a  |  May 21, 2013 at 2:59 pm

      Still true though.

  • 48. Deva  |  May 21, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    just love the way you demolish pakatan’s arguments with incisive statistical analysis. Keep it going

  • 49. Tokngah  |  May 21, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    According to the analysis in the blog below, for peninsular Malaysia, 62.2 percents Malays, 10.8 percents Chinese and 43.2 percent Indians voted for BN,


    • 50. Helen Ang  |  May 21, 2013 at 4:11 pm

      So there seems to be a consensus that the votes for BN from the Chinese is only 10 percent.

  • 51. Dino  |  May 21, 2013 at 4:15 pm


    Telah terbukti yang peranan RBA amat berbaloi untuk PR dalam PRU yang lalu. Banyak info telah diketahui tentang mereka, seperti tujuan, latihan, lokasi, kewangan hatta nama-nama setengah dari mereka telah pun dikenal pasti.

    Terlalu ramai pemerhati berpendapat yang kos untuk menubuh dan menyara mereka terlalu kecil jika dibandingkan dengan hasil yang mereka berikan. Satu pelaburan yang sungguh berbaloi-baloi!

    Saya mencadangkan agar semua bloggers dan cybertroopers yang dah meluat dengan PR bersatu dibawah satu organisasi / kelab / persatuan. Mulakan usaha-usaha membalas dakyah / tomahan / penipuan mereka secara bersepadu dan terbuka tampa perlu lagi takut dengan ancaman dari mereka.

    Setelah apa yang terjadi sekarang, wakil-wakil BN akan pasti berlumba-lumba datang memberikan segala bentuk bantuan / insentif / perlindungan serta bayaran untuk kerja-kerja “counter-measures” tersebut.

    Helen ada sertai mana-mana kelab atau persatuan bloggers ke? Boleh saya tau kalau-kalau sudah ada senarai ahlinya?

    “Nobody works for free….”

    • 52. Helen Ang  |  May 21, 2013 at 4:35 pm

      re: “Helen ada sertai mana-mana kelab atau persatuan bloggers ke? Boleh saya tau kalau-kalau sudah ada senarai ahlinya?”

      Tidak, saya blogger berdikari.

      Atas sebab saya tidak menerima apa-apa sokongan organisasi maka dengan itu ia memberikan saya kebebasan untuk mendedahkan kepincangan jentera media milik MCA yang merupakan salah satu komponen utama BN.

      Kalau BN yang membayar saya, pastinya BN tidak akan membenarkan saya melemahkan sokongan yang diberikan kepada mereka melalui pendedahan saya tentang The Star serta saya mempersoalkan peranan MCA. Kedua-dua The Star dan MCA adalah perkasas dan anggota BN.

      re: “nobody works for free”

      Tak pernah pun saya membodek mana-mana menteri atau personaliti politik dalam blog saya.

      Yang saya mempertikaikan adalah tindak-tanduk Papa dan Mama Dapster dan DAP SuperCyber Bully.

      • 53. Dino  |  May 21, 2013 at 5:24 pm


        Saya percaya kebanyakan blogger bebas lain juga bersetuju tentang pentingnya “kebebasan” tersebut. Kebebasan itu lah yang membuatkan artikel yang ditulis lebih menarik serta tambah menyengat.

        Saya juga percaya semua blogger tegar yang seangkatan dengan Helen juga amat meluat dengan perilaku RBA / CyberBully yang semakin melampau.

        Apa yang saya cuba fahami ialah apakah yang Helen (dan blogger bebas lain) perlukan / harapkan sebagai keperluan untuk “survival” serta terus menjalankan tanggung-jawap sosial ini.

        Apa yang saya kesalkan semakin banyak blogger bebas yang telah gulung tikar kerana kecewa dengan ketiadaan sebarang bentuk bantuan / pertolongan dari pihak-pihak berkenaan apabila mereka diserang tampa belas kasihan di dunia siber ini.

        Mungkin ada yang boleh membantu?

        • 54. Helen Ang  |  May 21, 2013 at 5:46 pm

          Dah saya minta :) Tolong khabarkan blog saya kepada 3 orang kawan.

          Bagi Dino, kuotanya 9 orang kenalan (kalau sudi). Itulah cara untuk pembaca menunjukkan sokongan kepada saya, iaitu dengan membantu dalam meningkatkan jumlah pembaca blog ini.

          Juga tolong jaga nama saya di blog-blog lain apabila sibertrooper Jerusubang memfitnah saya.

          Terima kasih banyak-banyak.

  • 55. sarah  |  May 21, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    Sport anology widely use becouse, man can understand rules and regulation if it closely related to sport. How complicated the sport rules are, the man always easily gasping it. That why if you want to make the man understand about rules, applied it to sport. And because a lot of our mp and their follower are man, it is easier for them to understand this, if they choose to understand lah hahaha


  • 56. MatSentol  |  May 21, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    One thing that we should consider is not all voters who vote for PR wanted Anwar to be next PM. Actually only 41% or 4,523,021 voters support Anwar as PM, compare with 47% or 5,237,699 votes for Najib. check out this blog:


  • 57. Halim  |  May 21, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    Hi Helen,
    You are true 1 malaysia chinese, respect your facts and figure.

  • 58. AK47  |  May 21, 2013 at 6:14 pm

    The use of swallows a’la KGB by the PAP and the Singaporean Trojan Horse DAP is as old as the hills. This was first tried out in the Malaya Hall London elections in 1957. Thereafter, the Singapore Government deployed these swallows at strategic places to entertain unsuspecting VIP foreigners or key places like the University of Chicago or Jakarta 1998 and the CNBC and the CNN. Digits like Hannah Yeoh is an extension of the long reach of the PAP via the Singaporean Trojan Horse DAP to harvest the minions who are not always reliable and have a tendency to jump like a frog after partaking of the goodies offered. Looks like the BN has to deploy swallows a’la KGB too.

    I have said not too long ago that Kuala Lumpur is a world centre for espionage overtaking Bangkok and Singapore during the Cold War.

    • 59. desiderata2  |  May 28, 2013 at 2:24 am

      And Malaysia is a base for Al Qaeda?

  • 60. Halilintar  |  May 21, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    Kalau dilihat dari bird’s eye view apa yang cuba dicapai oleh Anwar ialah Vacuum of Power.

    Sebab tu ditanam satu mind-sent atau ideology kpd golongan muda untuk defy authority. Contoh: Jangan dengar cakap polis, atau tak payah bayar PTPTN. Bila VoP ni jadi, mesti ada kerajaan sementara (selalunya tentera) tapi persoalannya ialah tentera mana? Malaysia punya atau Amerika punya? Dia ni selalu spin isu pasal undi popular..undi popular.. undi popular, creating an unrest in the society in believing that majority of Malaysians did vote for opposition.

    Cuba tengok pecahan jenis-jenis pengundi (melalui pendapat saya la).

    1. Pengundi Tegar Parti – Jenis pengundi yang walau apa pun akan undi parti tersebut regardless baik ke buruk.
    2. Pengundi Kurang Tegar Parti – Jenis yang akan mengundi parti yang mereka sokong, tapi rasa taksub tu kurang. Jenis yang boleh mengakui salah silap parti masing-masing.
    3. Pengundi Parti Yang Tak Puas Hati – Pengundi jenis ni yang dia sebenarnya sokong Parti A tetapi mengundi Parti B sebab silent protest terhadap dasar-dasar Parti A yang nampaknya tak menepati aspirasi asal.
    4. Pengundi Atas Pagar – Pengundi yang undi siapa yang dia rasa bagi lebih benefit seikhlasnya. Selalunya orang jenis ni tak tengok pada parti tapi lebih kepada wakil di kawasan dia sendiri.
    5. Pengundi Yang Tak Mengundi – Ni jenis yang dah sampai umur “akhil baligh” untuk mengundi tapi tak mengundi sebab bosan dengan senario politik semasa.

    So kalau nak dikira secara betul, kena kira satu persatu barulah dapat tahu yang PR ni betul-betul dapat majoriti 52% undi popular YANG MENYOKONG tindakan demo-demo ni.

    Letak tepi pengundi tegar parti sebab selalunya orang jenis macam ni dah memang set takde yang hitam dalam parti masing-masing. Tapi target kita untuk prepare next GE ialah pengundi jenis 2, 3, 4 dan 5.

    Itu pasal next GE lah, tapi what is more concerning ialah apa yg jadi sekarang (doalah semua supaya Tuhan masih bagi kita penangguhan waktu dari perkara-perkara buruk di Malaysia). Risau pasal perhimpunan akan datang ni betul-betul membuatkan orang percaya yg mereka ini memang membawa suara majoriti, yang kita semua tau tak betul!

    Honestly, sy tak rasa perhimpunan ni akan sampai jadi rusuhan yang membawa ke VoP tapi, setiap benda yang jadi tu akan ada catalyst nya. Jangan kita ambil mudah sebab Arab Spring yang berlaku tu tak perlu demo besar-besar pun. Cukup ada satu individu yang membakar diri, habis satu negara porak-peranda. Takut perhimpunan ni akan jadi catalyst yang lebih besar. Takut berlaku provokasi melampau yang akan membawa kepada kejadian yang tidak diingini.

    Bukan niat nak create state of panic dengan schizophrenic conspiracy theory, tapi orang kata “History repeats itself”. Harapnya kita boleh prepare sebaik mungkin apa plan akan datang.

  • 61. anakjamil  |  May 21, 2013 at 7:35 pm

    if popularity is the yardstick, someone should tell anwar, upin & ipin should be the PM – for heaven’s sake, the twins not only popular in Msia, it’s huge in Indonesia!

  • 63. ghost  |  May 21, 2013 at 8:01 pm

    Malay are idiot sold their house in the city then move to new place “Jem Tendang” to gain profit and Chinese move into the city with masses amount hence the city votes owned by Chinese population. I’ve been monitoring this situation after PRU12 2008 a lot of fliers and pamphlets from realtor asking Malay to sell their house in the city. How did DAP win? Kick Malay in the city to the rural areas.

    • 64. islam1st  |  May 21, 2013 at 8:34 pm

      Just because they prefer Kampung over Bandar does not make them idiot. To think so would surely make you one!

      • 65. nisbah  |  May 21, 2013 at 9:56 pm

        I’ve just sold my house in the prestigious kl suburb with a very good price after living there for 20 years. Just bought with the hefty profit a bigger piece of land with better facilities and gated community. Since staying in kl all my votes to bn has gone to waste. Might as well give my precious vote to a bn friendly area.

        • 66. sarah  |  May 21, 2013 at 10:51 pm

          it doesn’t metter if you sold your house, if you still registered at kl, no metter where you go, you still need to come back and vote at your registering area.

          That why some house have 20 registering voter in it, esecially if the house was rent mutiple times. This people will be considered as ghost voter coz after five years leaving somewhere else, they come back and vote.

          :) sarah

          • 67. nisbah  |  May 21, 2013 at 11:38 pm

            Thank God I am leaving a ghost town to more ghosts. Ghosts of the same spirit they do well together.

            Thank you for the advice, I will change and register my voting premise before pru14.

            • 68. sarah  |  May 22, 2013 at 7:15 am

              hahaha good one…. Thank God I am leaving a ghost town to more ghosts. Ghosts of the same spirit they do well together.

              Request permission to use it…


  • 69. ghost  |  May 22, 2013 at 10:26 am

    How to win back the city if you don’t have enough Malay in the city? That’s my point duhhh.

    • 70. Helen Ang  |  May 22, 2013 at 11:00 am

      What do you think DUMC have been trying to do that required the JAIS raid and the Sultan’s intervention?

  • 71. ali  |  May 27, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    Isu sebenar2nya ialah sakit hati dan dendam Anwar Ibrahim terhadap UMNO kerana membantutkan beliau menjadi PM. Itulah yang ada jauh dilubuk hati Anwar.

    Jika benar Anwar teraniaya , Allah telah lama memberi pentunjuk dan memberi kemenangan kepada beliau. Doa org teraniaya dimakbulkan. Namun kes Anwar berbagai2 bukti pula ditunjukkan atas kemungkaran yang beliau lakukan.

    Korupsi, transperancy hanyala sandiwara Anwar.

    Memang sukar hendak memadamkan sifat dendam ini, kerana sifat inilah yang membuatkan Iblis terkeluar dari syurga.

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