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Apa lagi Cina mahu — sambungan

Cina mahu dijadikan ketua Jakim dan diberi kuasa untuk mengeluarkan sijil halal.

Lihat komen pelanggan Malaysiakini, Proarte, yang berkata:

“The fact remains Bak Kut Teh literally means ‘meat bone tea’ and therefore a halal Bak Kut Teh without pork is perfectly possible. This being the case, how can we come to the categorical conclusion that the couple were ‘insulting Islam’? This is most unfair and shows prejudice and lack of knowledge on the part of the couple’s accusers.”

http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/235945
http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/235945

Semua komen pembaca di bawah dicedok dari http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/236196

Rojak: “a dish which doesn’t necessarily have to be haram”

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Anonymous #38214283: “bak kut teh can mean any halal meat”

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Louis: ” True, Bak Kut Teh need not use pork. […] If by the name only it indicates ‘tak halal’, it means “Char Keow Teow” sold by Muslim are not ‘halal’.”

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kfcman: “louis, i support you. some malay stall even sell WANTAN MEE but serve with chicken meat. [halal] or not????”

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CHKS: “Rightly so! Bak Kut Teh simply means spare ribs in herbal tea. There is no explicit mentioning of pork although implicitly nowadays people often associate the word “bak” in bak kut teh to mean pork meat, rather than mutton or beef. Nonetheless, if you argue in court, I think what is implicit within a locality cannot be generalized to its explicit meaning. The government of Malaysia may lose this case and making a mockery of itself.

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Beberapa bulan lepas, NST pernah menyiarkan rencana bertajuk ‘Vegetarian Bak Kut Teh for a hearty meal’, kata Ir Dr MAMAKTHIEW MAMAD aka Mamak Bendahara.

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Lau Bing: “So as long both the controversial bloggers did not shout, ‘pork’ in public places then their acts cannot be offensive in nature … one could have any kind of meat in his or her bowl of bak kut teh.”

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Komen oleh Lau Bing

Rumusan

Intipatinya orang Cina yang lebih tahu makanan apa yang halal dan apa yang haram bagi Muslim.

Maklumlah, Cina-cina zaman sekarang sudahpun begitu pandai perihal amalan Islam. Anugerah Biasiswa Antarabangsa Syariah pun boleh ditweet oleh @imokman.

Kalau Hannah Yeoh rakan kembar DAP SuperCyber Bully Ong Kian Ming itu boleh dilantik menjadi Speaker, kenapa pula seorang politikus evangelis DAP tidak boleh dilantik menjadi ketua Jabatan Agama.

Bak kut teh tidak semestinya dimasak dengan babi. Maka Jabatan Agama juga tidak semestinya harus hanya mewakili atau diterajui orang Islam sahaja.

imokman attaanuar sama2 berpuasa

Ong Kian Ming (imokman) on Twitter

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Is Alvivi the MCA or the DAP’s baby?

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199 thoughts on “Apa lagi Cina mahu — sambungan

  1. Realitinya bah kut teh.. yang dijual di restoran-restoran cina sememangnya Sup Tulang Babi ..sebut je bah kut teh automatic di minda kita Sup tulang babi..kalau sup ayam cina pun tak sebut Bah Kut teh.. kami bukan bodoh lah… apa yang budak dua orang tu buat sememangnya tujuan untuk menghina dan memperolok-olok orang Islam di bulan puasa.

    Kenapa orang cina perangai macam ni.. orang islam tak ada pun nak menghina atau memperolok agama lain….. kristian, budha, hindu pun tak ajar penganutnya menghina agama lain…

  2. Honestly, the more they try to twist their way around the issue, the more they are showing themselves to look like sneaky insidious people who smile while stabbing you in the back.

    It’s not enough for some pranksters to blatantly insult, they are joining in and try to insult the intelligence of other people some more.

    Well, judging from their feedback, I actually think this could be fueling the ABC/BCL campaign even more. I bet now a lot more Malays would be more inquisitive of Chinese food and products, if this is brought to the attention of those bloggers.

      1. That’s what they like you to think.

        Did you really believe that DAP’s ‘errors’ were really because of excel and typos?

    1. Yes, I agree with hahaha. This a case of a drowning couple clutching at straws to save themselves. BUT we all know if they escape justice here they have already booked a place in HELL. Besides, if they know what’s good for them, they’d be grateful to be SAFELY behind bars. Don’t forget, there’s such a thing as MOB RULE. And if you push the Muslims to far, anything can happen. After all, not all Muslims are going to play by the rule like us Malays.

  3. Walaupun ade paparan logo “halal” sekiranya rasa was was terlintas dihati, Muslims will not eat. Most often within my family and friends, we will take some samples home to get it tested.

    Halal does not only refer to the meat we eat – even utensils used to cook the dish, add-on ingredients bla bla…

    Anyway, those who so claims there exists “HALAL” Bak Kut teh outlets, to please give us the names and contact of these places so we can send our team to check on their “Halal” Certs.

    1. majoriti cina mana paham konsep halal yang sebenar pasai tu la kedai cina banyak tulis “no pork served”. dorang ingat no pork tu halal. apa la punya cetek otak depa. kalau tak paham, tanyala, jangan jadi bodoh sombong.

    2. Please la, been asking for names of products and outlets selling “HALAL” Bak Kut Teh, anyone here?

      Raya coming most of our people going on leave, so cepat2 le kasi list…

  4. alah takat Jakim tu takdak hal. lepas cina nak jadi KP zakat & tabung haji. pelan2 lepas tu cina nak keluarkan fatwa pulak kepada muslim. ni semua pasai apa? pasai ah jib gor lembik macam sumi jelly.

        1. sajak ni dibaca sambil dengar lagu lazy song bruno mars…ah jib gor lembik + lembab.

          (2 X Lem) bikbab

          Aku kerdil di hujung nusa
          mencatat sengkak ulu hati
          dan mata berdarah.
          Apa yang menghalangnya
          membina benteng semula
          setelah diherdik tsunami.
          Apakah dia bangsawan
          minum dari piala liberal
          lalu mabuk penakut.
          Sepelusuk nusa menanti
          dia bangkit menjunjung,
          : Amanah para pemilih.

          29-06-2013
          Batu Kawan, Pulau Pinang
          ©Ibnu Din Assingkiri

          1. IDAssingkiri,

            Still waters runs deep. The PM appears to be in silent mode and he has been quiet the past two months ever since what he himself termed “the Chinese tsunami”.

            He is probably reflecting and coming to terms with the Chinese ‘betrayal’ (not that the 90 percent can comprehend what it is they have really done). I’m not a mind reader much less clairvoyant and privy to what the PM is thinking … I’m just suggesting a logical and rational reading of the current situation.

            To draw a historical parallel, I’d cite Datuk Onn Jaafar’s ‘grand’ offer to the minority races at the turn of the 1950s with his multiracial Independence of Malaya Party (IMP) and how MCA had let him down. (By the word ‘grand’ I’m expressing a heartfelt admiration for his action.)

            After that electoral beating that Datuk Onn got, he reverted to Malay nationalism with Parti Negara.

            Twice the Chinese have been our own worst enemy but again the 90 percent fail to realise this. And it’s pointless to try to explain.

            Najib is arguably the most Chinese-friendly PM this country has ever had. In view of this and his out-on-a-limb efforts the past couple of years, he probably expected at least some minimal support from the community in GE13 but which was not forthcoming.

            As with Datuk Onn in 1952 and with DS Najib in 2013, the Chinese will reap what they sowed.

            I doubt that after all the murky water passed under the bridge that the PM will (and nor can he) indulge the Chinese like he has done the last few years.

            I’m sad to say this but whatever happens next, a lot of it we (Chinese) have brought on our own heads.

            Najib’s silence and inaction should not be taken as weakness. Malays do cut him some slack, please.

            1. “Najib’s silence and inaction should not be taken as weakness. Malays do cut him some slack, please”

              Totally agree with you and I have been calling for this too.

              1. ‘Najib’s silence and inaction should not be taken as weakness. Malays do cut him some slack, please’.

                Mungkin kebisuan Najib sekarang kerana dia telah ‘belajar’ daripada apa yang telah berlaku. Dia telah cuba menggunakan teknik ‘berbaik baik dan buat baik’ kepada Cina untuk menarik sokongan Cina yang jelas terhakis pada PRU 2008.
                Teknik ini tidak salah untuk dicuba dan kelihatan berhemah. Apa balasan daripada orang Cina? Helen telah jawab dalam artikel di atas!

                Tapi saya amat ragu kebisuan Najib menunjukkan dia telah belajar. Banyak petunjuk yang Najib gagal membaca keadaan pada masa lalu. Saya beri dua contoh.

                Pertama PRK Sibu. Najib begitu ghairah memberi ‘sedekah’ macam macam untuk kepentingan orang Cina. Hasilnya, saya ada terbaca respon pengundi di Sibu, lebih kurang ini maksudnya, “Apa kami orang Sibu peminta sedekah ke yang perlu diberi gula gula untuk mengundi –”

                Contoh kedua, konsert Psy di Penang. Saya terbayang bayang wajah Najib yang pada pandangan saya begitu ‘excited’ Saya mengikuti siaran itu secara langsung. Najib ada tanya penonton lebih kurang begini, “Are you ready for BN?” Jelas kendengaran suara yang mengatakan “No” lebih kuat daripada “Yes”

                Banyak tindakan Najib yang saya anggap populist tapi mendatangkan kesan yang buruk kepada Negara. Pembatalan ISA dan Ordinan Dharurat adalah tindakan yang tidak bijak. Tengok jenayah semakin menjadi jadi dan Negara kita telah jadi macam Negara cowboy, kejadian rompakan dan tembakan berlaku sewenang wengangnya.

                Apa yang Najib fikir semasa membatalkan dua undang undang pencegahan ini? Dia hendak supaya kelihatan telus, menghormati hak asasi manusia dan ‘dare to be different’ Pihak pembangkang sebelum pembatalan itu seolah olah ‘dare him’ untuk melakukan benda benda ini!

                Jadi bijaksana ke ‘Malays do cut him some slack’?

                1. There is where you are wrong. I have commented many times in many blogs saying that Najib was going all out after the Chinese Votes and now the message is clear, the Chinese can no longer argue that he never tried before. If he did otherwise prior to PRU13, the Chinese would easily claim that “Hey! you never supported us ma, that’s why we voted Pakatan”.

                  It was a smart move by him indeed.

                  In fact, I they dare not go and confront him and to say what they want to say , only playing victim all over again after PRU13.

                  1. They did for the countless time. A bit less maybe, but it is still very early to tell. Najib is just a weak leader to me. He is not a good orator. But that’s fine. But his flip flop after flip flop which I came to realise judging from events after events before and after the GE13 makes me want him to be made Tun, soon.

                    Thank you and move on.

                    Pak Lah loses BN’s seats during the GE12 due to Tun M boycott of him.

                    Najib loses BN’s seats despite Tun M support and not to mention touring the country campaigning for BN.

                    We had Pak Lah to step down. Although I might add, I did not voted for the BN then. I’m glad that he was replaced.

                    I want the same for Najib despite supporting him via the ballot box the last GE.

                    Funny ain’t it? Such is life.

                    1. re: “Najib loses BN’s seats”

                      It was MCA, Gerakan and MIC (and PPP too) that lost the BN seats.

                      Umno recovered 9 seats (winning 88 in GE13 compared to 79 in GE12 and despite losing the Chinese votes in their constituencies).

                      In GE14, Umno will cut the BN losses of Chinese votes. The Chinese tsunami cannot repeat itself again.

                      In 2004, the BN held 198 Parliament seats and in 2008, 140 seats. Dollah Badawi (and other factors) caused BN to lose a whopping 58 seats and its traditional 2/3 majority within one election cycle.

                      Measured against the stunning losses incurred by Pak Lah, I would say that BN did well and Umno did exceptionally well to withstand the Chinese tsunami that followed upon the 2008 Indian tsunami.

                      We must have context and will need to frame the Najib team’s performance against the weak position that Najib inherited from his predecessor.

                      It was Pak Lah and his SiL who opened the Pandora’s Box of the Politics of Hate, “anything goes” and rolled out the red carpet for the evangelistas.

                      Najib was saddled with constraints created by the previous (Sleepy Dollah & 4th floor boys) gomen.

                    2. I believe you have got points there. Maybe I need my PM to be as strong and in command as Tun M was perceived to be.

                      Maybe I’m just plain wrong.

                  2. i do agree with you….

                    “the Chinese can no longer argue that he never tried before. If he did otherwise prior to PRU13, the Chinese would easily claim that “Hey! you never supported us ma, that’s why we voted Pakatan”.”

                    and of course we do hope najib would learn the lesson from what had happened during recent pru13

                    that’s what we call as high end diplomacy… tapi kena sanggup dikutuk oleh bangsa sendiri lah… itulah risikonya

                2. Norlin,

                  Saya tak pasti samada Najib sudah “belajar’ dari pilihanraya yang lepas.

                  Ramai sudah nasihatkn UMNO(atau lebih tepat Najib) supaya tak terhegeh hegeh cari undi orang Cina. Tetapi Najib enggan dengar nasihat.

                  Malangnya selepas pilihanraya, Najib masih tak belajar. Najib memilih harijadi Yang DiPertuan Agung untuk istiharkan bahawa SPR akan diletak dibawah Parlimen. Maknanya SPR akan terdedah pada Kafir harbi, munafik, fasik yang juga terdiri dari ahli parlimen.

                  Selama ini ada masalah ke dengan SPR dibawah Majlis Raja Raja.

                  Dan tak pasal pasal Hindraf dapat jawatan Timbalan Menteri. Kenapa tidak KIMMA? KIMMA lebih terbukti kesetiaan terhadap UMNO.

                  Dan apa perlu hubungan dengan Vatican? untuk dapatkan undi kristian? Sekarang duta Vatican pula bersetuju dengan Kristian tuntut nama “allah”. tak pasal pasal kita mencari penyakit yang sebelum ini tak ujud.

                  Ketika BN ditentang habis habisan oleh DAP, Najib diselamatkan oleh Melayu/Islam. syukurlah kerana walaupun kita banyak a,mbil mudah tetapi tiba disaat genting, Melayu/Islam masih dapat berfikiran jauh. Semuanya kerana masih ada “iman dan takwa”.

                  Kerana BERKAT IMAN DA TAKWA, Melayu rata ratanya masih dapat membaca betapa mereka lebih selamat dibawah UMNO.

                  Kerana IMAN DAN TAKWA, Melayu Perak berjaya halang cubaan jatuhkan kuasa Melayu . Mereka sokong UMNO hingga UMNO berjaya menang 30 kerusi, cukup untuk bentuk satu kerajaan.

                  Bagaimana dengan Najib?

                  Apa ulasan beliau bila ada budak muda biadap persendakan islam dengan buka puasa makan “bak kut teh?”

                  Najib bukan tak dengar nasihat. Tetapi nasihat siapa yang dia dengar?

                  Tentunya bukan dari kita . Inilah masalah sebenarnya.

                  1. re: “Dan tak pasal pasal Hindraf dapat jawatan Timbalan Menteri. Kenapa tidak KIMMA? KIMMA lebih terbukti kesetiaan terhadap UMNO.”

                    (1) Kimma cannot deliver any (Indian) votes whereas their Muslim base already overlaps Umno, c.f. the Azeez’s and the Sheikh Kadirs.

                    Photo: Penang Umno leader tearing up Koh Tsu Koon’s photo

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                    (2) Kimma is not registering the stateless Indians who may be convinced to vote BN the next round out of gratitude for having their long-standing citizenship problem resolved.

                    (3) Every Indian vote counted in GE13 and will count in GE14 if BN were to write off the support of the Chinese electorate.

                    If Hindraf can successfully tackle Indian woes via their blueprint, BN may be able to reclaim the Indian votes.

                    It’s a calculated move by Najib after doing the math, just as how he appointed 2 MIC Ministers and 2 MIC Deputy Ministers (4 is a strong Indian representation) to the current Cabinet.

                    After all, what is Waytha Moorthy’s one deputy minister’s seat out of 27 deputies?

                    1. ‘After all, what is Waytha Moorthy’s one deputy minister’s seat out of 27 deputies?’

                      Hindraf ex leader being rewarded for going against the establishment surely does not bode’s well with the grass root. What message is he trying to conveys to us all?

                      While we are at it lets talk about Namewee. Insults us, the azan via a mocking negarakuku-kuku-besi + cuckoo-gila babi, can’t be a commendable thing and yet he is made kosher by none other than the Gendang Cina playing Ah Jib Gor posted by I am Mulan below.

                      http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/pm-namewee-supports-1-malaysia

                      Helen, may I asked why did you choose to put the pics of that guy tearing up Tsu Koon gambar? Any particular reason?

                    2. (1) re: “Hindraf ex leader”

                      WM is Hindraf chairman — no change in status.

                      2) re: “being rewarded for going against the establishment”

                      Hindraf brought to national attention the chronic Indian plight.

                      If the Umno-led gomen had failed to show a willingness to address Indian problems, then the Indian vote in GE13 would have mirrored the 90% Chinese vote going to the oppo.

                      As it was, there was a last-minute swingback of Indians to the BN.

                      (3) re: “surely does not bode’s well with the grass root”

                      You mean with the Umno-Malay grassroots? But I have run a number of Hindraf Q&As in my blog before – with both the brothers and the Hindraf advisor – for them to explain the affirmative action programmes they wanted for Indians.

                      (a) From what I gather, the Malays are supportive of extending dedicated assistance to the Hindraf constituency (poor, marginalized Indians) to help uplift the displaced community – especially the urban squatters who were displaced from the rubber estates.

                      (b) Why should the Malay grassroots be unhappy if the Indian dissatisfaction is redressed?

                      (c) The bottomline line for Umno as I see it is that the urban, middle-class, professional, English-speaking Christian Indian electorate is staunchly with Pakatan.

                      And you know how Umno is mocked as being able to garner only the kampung Malay and Felda settler votes from among the Utusan readership.

                      Critically b’cos the next GE is a do-or-die battle, BN desperately needs the semi-rural, Tamil-speaking, Hindu Indian vote — like those of Mengkibol as well as to claw back at least a portion of those Tamil votes in the suburbs.

                      (d) It all boils down to the head count, ultimately. For Ge14, BN should expect to obtain less than 5% of the Chinese votes.

                      Hence I believe Najib is doing the right thing in engaging the Indians.

                      (4) re: “What message is he trying to conveys to us all?”

                      Reconciliation? That Umno too can ‘change’ and is willing to listen as well as reduce its arrogance.

                      I’ve been saying for yonks that we’re heading into the two-race political system, i.e. Bumiputera vs Chinese.

                      So which side is more isolated and which side is more inclusive? This is the perception war.

                      If BN can get the Indians onto their side, then the DAP-dominated Pakatan will appear to be a solely Chinese+Christian package.

                      If BN loses the Indians (Sabah & Sarawak natives, Siamese, dll), then the Malay-dominated BN will appear to be a Malay+Muslim package.

                      Najib, like his father Tun Razak in 1974, is collecting the various small minorities ethnicities to board his omnibus.

                      This is a bus that has no or negligible Chinese passengers. That was Dr M’s Gelang Patah ultimatum — the Chinese tore up their bus ticket.

                      (5) re: “Helen, may I asked why did you choose to put the pics of that guy tearing up Tsu Koon gambar? Any particular reason?”

                      To explain to Shamshul why Hindraf is prioritized over Kimma. The mamak (not meant to be derogatory) vote is already within the Umno fold. The mamak guy tearing up KTK’s photo is a Penang Umno man.

                      Kimma is of little political heft in its ability to deliver votes.

                      Before the BN-Hindraf rapprochement on the eve of election, Najib already turun padang to personally meet the Indian ground. During a period when Hindraf was not in the picture, Najib went direct and bypassing MIC.

                      Simple: Umno wants the Chinese and Indian votes (whatever little that BN can muster but still vital for borderline seats) that MCA and MIC had been unable to deliver, that’s all there is to it.

                3. pendapat yang bernas…

                  sebelum GE13, aktiviti PM Najib yang dipaparkan di semua media berita mempunyai satu matlamat….untuk meraih populariti!

                  sayangnya pemimpin yang popular selalunya tidak berkesan sedangkan pemimpin yang berkesan biasanya tidak disukai ramai….!

            2. Ms H. Without the DE-TRIBALIZATION OF THE CHINESE, THE MALAYSIAN CHINESE, it was bad enough because the Chinese have always behaved in a very individualistic way due to the vastness of China. The Japanese work together as a team because their small country is full of bare hills and had to harvest the sea for food. When the Chinese Emperor is a nice guy and dabbled in the fine arts, the whole of China would be in turmoil. But an Emperor who chopped off a few heads like the Chinese Government now, the country would be at peace and harmony. Take the case of the British in British Malaya. They left the Chinese alone as long as they do not try to be funny with their rule. If so, they will be packed off by the next boat for China. One reason why some of the Chinese behaved contrary is that after 2003 to 2013, the good years before this for a good income dried up and money was seen to defy gravity by flowing up to the apex. This the whole world knew. This income was the LUBRICANT WHICH BONDED THE CHINESE, THE MALAYSIAN CHINESE TO VOTE BN SINCE 1957. It is still a mirage today. HENCE, THE HIATUS OF DISCONTENT !

              1. re: “When the Chinese Emperor is a nice guy and dabbled in the fine arts, the whole of China would be in turmoil. But an Emperor who chopped off a few heads like the Chinese Government now, the country would be at peace and harmony.”

                And the PM’s dilemma today: Najib the nice guy and still lashed by the Chinese tsunami.

                Dr M chopped off a few heads (Ops Lalang 1987) and still the Chinese vote ‘saved’ BN-Umno in 1999 as the Dapsters like to ungkit.

                Compare the Chinese behaviour during the strongman Mahathir years with the Chinese behaviour during the “I am PM for all” Dollah Badawi years.

                1. Ms. H. During the TDM years the Chinese made the most money together with the Malays. Also 7 1/2 poor Singaporeans became multi-billionaires during the NEP and have returned to Singapore to boost the ANNUAL WEALTH QUOTIENT to enable Singapore to say they produced more and more millionaires every year PLUS THE NEW IMPORTS FROM INDIA AND CHINA who had a propensity to crash their Ferraris.

                  As the General Economy has still not recovered, the Chinese are still struggling to survive, retailers, wholesalers, manufacturers etc except the planters !! This is the TRUTH.

                2. Ms H. I draw your critical attention to the facts which I presented to show that the BASE of the Singaporean Trojan Horse DAP has imploded since October 2008. Please note also their frontline troops are still advancing without an exit strategy back to their home base Singapore. What poor generalship ?

                3. Re: “Dr M chopped off a few heads (Ops Lalang 1987) and still the Chinese vote ‘saved’ BN-Umno in 1999 as the Dapsters like to ungkit.”

                  “At last we will reveal ourselves to the UMNOputra. At last we will have revenge”

                  The Redbean Menance

              2. “When the Chinese Emperor is a nice guy and dabbled in the fine arts, the whole of China would be in turmoil.”

                pray tell which one? the british pack themselves off when the japs come, and deng warned the late ironic lady thetcher not to be funny and she fall off step. where u learn yr history? rehab centre?

                1. Haven’t you read what The Forbidden City is all about for one?

                  Haven’t you learned a lesson or two what Cultural Revolution in China is all about? Chop! Chop! Chop!

                2. HY. You are a yellow banana and DETRIBALIZED who specialises in one off insults without foundation or fact. Go and fly a kite in China.

                3. HY. YOU ARE A RACIST TO THE CORE. The sort who brings us the Chinese, the Malaysian Chinese, all sorts of trouble by bad mouthing others with no reason at all. Go home please to SINGAPORE

                4. HY. At the entrance to the University of Cambridge, I had better grades than your hero, Lee Kuan Yew who went into the bottom most college, Fitzwilliam House BY THE BACK DOOR. My college was the BEST AND IS STILL THE BEST. Read ‘Singapore Story.’

                  15 members of my family either by direct or indirect through marriage went up to Cambridge from 1925 – 2013. Go fly a kite.

                5. ak47, so this cam uni never teach u to organize yr thought a bit before write, and that is y u wrote 3 post that talk nothing about the question I asked apart from calling me names n bragging about yrself?

                  n for yr info, my grasp of chinese language should compare against u could be as wide as the deep sea valley, n I learn all that by myself, I dun need a colonial master university name to advance my argument and reasoning.

                  btw “which one” seem like a pretty straight-forward question to me, alas not much of an answer from you as yet, I hope I dun have to ask the same for a third time, oh please dun divert to spore, lky and banana.

                  lol, of course I know forbidden city n cultural revolution, but what this have to do with “When the Chinese Emperor is a nice guy and dabbled in the fine arts, the whole of China would be in turmoil.”? r u attend the same rehab with this ak fella? just asking.

                  1. HY

                    r u attend the same rehab with this ak fella? Oh you meant like the CHURCH of JURUSUBANG like you did? Of course not…

                    TRY BETTER NEXT TIME AGAIN IF you want to play insult here… YOU CHINKY ABOMINABLE TWAT….

                    Enlighten me about the history of Forbidden City that finally link to the Cultural Revolution?

                    1. That’s the point that AK trying to make. and you….

                      “the british pack themselves off when the japs come, and deng warned the late ironic lady thetcher not to be funny and she fall off step”

                      Where do you learn your history lesson ? JUST SUPERB

                    2. Are you trying to tell us here that CHINA is great that the British are afraid of them?

                    3. lol,

                      HY is a legit commenter and not a Jerusubangite. A ‘he’, methinks, not a ‘she’.

                      Essentially, he asked a straightforward question of Uncle AK.

                    4. Ok noted.

                      The thing is AK is making a generalization of historical account in China but she could not grasp the idea and keep pestering AK for that. You on the hand catch the drift hence relates it to Malaysian Scenario.

                      Since she boasted that she is “so smart” and no need to go to Cambridge, I posted the history of Forbidden City that finally link to the Cultural Revolution, which essentially explains the lavish lifestyle inside the Forbidden City has in way fuel the turmoil outside among the poor. I know that she is expecting something to the effect of Empress Dowager Story Line.

                      Plus she “KURANG AJAR” to AK and ME.

                    5. Hua Yong is a ‘he’ as far as I can tell. A seasoned commenter in the sopo scene.

                    6. Ms H. So HY wants the name of a Chinese who chopped off heads. The latest one should be Mao Tse-tung. You mean this HY guy is ignorant and illiterate. Then, he has no right to appear on this Blog asking silly questions.

                    7. lol, u cited fc n cr without explaining what this have to do with what I said, and now u return my question back to me, is this a merry-go-around? see, I dun have to try the next time, yr incapacity to argue and resort to obscene term is the best insult at yr level. as far as I know, fc was dynastic n cr is about bombarding the headquarter to strengthen communism, so mao is the nice guy n dabbled in the fine arts writing ‘snow’ ka?

                      n what helen catch the drift r u talking about? she mentioned clearly n-a-j-i-b, m-a-h-a-t-h-i-r and b-a-d-a-w-I, no generalization and stereotyping, unlike ur hmmm, rehab mate.

                  2. “I dun need a colonial master university name to advance my argument and reasoning. ”

                    Let me rephrase it for you SWEETIE, with your kind of half baked reasoning, let’s just say they don’t think that you fit in. PERIOD.

                    1. At this time, I think not only are the British afraid of China, so are the Americans, the French…..well the whole of Europe, actually.

                    2. lol. These stormtroopers are stupid. Many have appeared specially at wwwchedet.cc.org to kill me but they got killed and ran off. Not to worry. They are hollow upstairs and can only be abusive. Nothing else. YH suddenly appeared here. This definitely confirms he has been assigned here to DUEL WITH ME.to discredit me. Welcome.

                    3. re: “YH suddenly appeared here.”

                      He did not suddenly appear here. He had been commenting since my blog’s infancy.

                    4. But he has that annoying tone of lingo that is akin to Redbeanie. If you notice in Annie’s blog, the Redbeanie has the same pestering tone pattern…

                    5. hahaha.

                      null

                      Commenting most in 2012 was MiNY (Malaysian in New York).

                      Whatever happened to Darlyn Azlinda? :D

                  3. HY. You were abusive first. What do you know about the hardships of the Japanese Occupation, of the new villages during the Communist Insurgency, what do you know about the Malayan Union, the Federation of Malaya. Talking rubbish and sanctimonous. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR OUR BELOVED MALAYSIA ? HY Big Mouth – GO HOME TO SINGAPORE AND YOUR DADDY WHERE YOU BELONG FOREVER. Where is your record of service to this beloved country. I HAVE AT THE TOP EXCEPT POLITICS AND HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. Big Mouth HY !!!

                    1. Ms H. I have trapped Opposition cyberstormtroopers like moths to a lamp at other Blogs of the HY type. They have never been able to out duel me because they are hollow and nothing to argue with me. They queued up at wwwchedet.cc.org to kill me. But all got finished off in good time because they have no INFORMATION AND EXPERIENCE BECAUSE OF THE LOW LEVEL OF THEIR INTELLECT. Every statement they made they had to check with their supervisor. How to DUEL ON THE BLOG LIKE THIS ? Go home to Daddy in Singapore all you troublemakers !

                  4. HY. You got the wrong fellow. You are just an Opposition opportunist in disguise. I have met the likes of you in other Blogs who want to kill me off. In the end they were killed off by me because they could only be abusive. I AM 100 YEARS OLD. I WOULD BE BOASTING IF I AM YOUR AGE 21 years old, Boy ! Have you ever heard of a Malaysian appointed to be Advisor, the first Asian, to the world famous Smithsonian Institution Washington DC UNTIL NOW 2013 ! You only heard of the great deeds of Lee Kuan Yew. Right !

                    1. HY. Yellow banana. Jealous. I SCORED 100 MARKS IN ALL 4 SUBJECTS TO GAIN ENTRY INTO THE BEST COLLEGE OF THE UNIVERSITY OF CAMBRIDGE, I never boasted until you abusive stormtroopers at the Malaysia Chronicles called me stupid. I forgot all my achievements for 60 years until then.

                      I found I had better grades than your godfather Lee Kuan Yew. OK. JEALOUS ! THIS IS MERITOCRACY FOR YOU – NOT BY THE BACK DOOR. You should not be jealous but proud of me. STUPID STORMTROOPER !

                    2. HY. I scored 100 marks for 4 subjects in NINE months. JEALOUS. STUPID. All self study. No special tutors or nannies.

                    3. HY. Do not pretend. The trouble with you hollow English speaking Chinese is that you ONLY LOOK CHINESE. YOU DO NOT THINK CHINESE OR THINK ENGLISH. If you do not know what I meant in my comments about you, then you go to a first class head shrinker and find out what is wrong with you who have no cultural ballast whatsoever. You are just one of those abusive cybertroopers I have met before. Stupid.

                    4. AK have do you address the late Margaret Tthatcher? Is it “Ironic Lady” or “Iron Lady” ?

                    5. HY. I refer you to your hero the brilliant Lee Kuan Yew’s 9 Policy failures for Singapore in this Blog or wwwchedet.cc.org. ENJOY !

                  5. HY. Big Mouth. You want some more. I give you. Jealous. I did so well at my exams the Chaplain to Queen II at Windsor Caslte, Dr. C.E. Raven, the former Vice-Chancellor of the University of Cambridge and former Master of my College, recommended me for a place at the best College. Jealous. HY Big Mouth. This is MERITOCRACY AND HARD WORK FOR YOU who only know how to insult and abuse others using ANONYMITY. Stupid.

                    1. Ms H. Anyone who is insulting and nasty to me is a cyberstormtrooper because they cannot stand what I say about their idol and hero the brilliant Lee Kuan Yew with the 9 failed Polcies for Singapore. This has always been my TRAP for them. They always abuse me wherever they can. In this case, because of the facts I presented, so they abuse me on something else. BECAUSE FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME THEY CANNOT BELIEVE THAT THEIR GREAT IDOL AND ICON HAS FEET OF CLAY. They get very upset and very abusive to me always. SIMPLE ALSO. IF HE IS NOT FOR ME, HE MUST BE FOR THE BRILLIANT LEE KUAN YEW WITH HIS 9 POLICIES FAILURES FOR SINGAPORE. Right ?

                    2. HY was not defending LKY. He merely asked for the/a name of the said Chinese emperor.

                    3. ak, here is yr fave poem which u may only could recite in your colonial master language “…But alas these heroes! -Chin Shih Huang and Han Wu Ti Were rather lacking in culture; Rather lacking in literary talent Were the emperors Tang Tai Tsung and Sung Tai Tsu; And Genghis Khan, Beloved Son of Heaven for a day, Only knew how to bend his bow at the golden eagle….”. many emperor name were remarked here to facilitate your inability to pick one, so stop your nonsense on that little red dot dictator, who attended the same ama cam uni with u, birds of a feather flock together I guess, nerd n snob that love to generalize.

                6. HY. There you are. You confirm what I said before about the Mandarin speaking Malaysian Chinese.- a feeling of superiority covering up an inferiority complex. And the Mandarin speaking Malaysian Chinese like you sorry to say are the most likely to do negative things in Malaysia. You are just a copy cat which is brain-dead. You definitely would not go far in life. YOU ARE THE PERSON WHO STARTED ALL THIS NONSENSE in your isolence. For your edification, go and view my 3,000 books of Malaysiana (THE BEST IN THE WORLD)which I DONATED TO UTAR FOR NERDS LIKE YOU who are illiterate in ENGLISH.

                  Were you educated at the Confucian Secondary School, Kuala Lumpur founded by my father in 1906, nerd ? The first Chinese Secondary School in the Federated Malay States for nerds like you.

                7. “see, I dun have to try the next time, yr incapacity to argue and resort to obscene term is the best insult at yr level. as far as I know, fc was dynastic n cr is about bombarding the headquarter to strengthen communism, so mao is the nice guy n dabbled in the fine arts writing ‘snow’ ka?”

                  Precious… you don’t even know what point of reference and analogy that we are using in our discussion. Go and read some more…..

            3. I couldn’t help looking at kampung malay angle of perspective… hehehe. this is what we kampung folks think of najib. why so secretive one.

              Iguana sergah kera terperanjat,
              sampai terjatuh dahan mangga;
              tidak salah tuan memanjat,
              kepala kami bukannya tangga.

    1. Jalan Ke Pulau Burung

      Saban hari
      jalan ke Pulau Burung,
      memaksaku dalam rela
      menghirup udara ibunda
      dengan perih siksa…
      hidung malang berbicara
      “tuan, aku ingin jadi kaki”
      oh, begitu sekali!
      kaki pun ikut bicara
      “tuan, aku sanggup diam dalam sepatu busukmu,
      tapi aku tak ingin menjadi hidung”
      oh, kasihan!
      aku harus bagaimana lagi
      di tanah Melayu ini
      harus berkompromi
      kerana udara ibunda
      telah dicemari kerbau pendek
      (yang sering tersungkur itu)
      eeeuwww!

      02-11-2011
      Batu Kawan, Pulau Pinang
      ©Ibnu Din Assingkiri

      1. Abang bersajak saya pun jadi gian plak…Helen, sedikit ‘dark humor’ untuk semua that was not intended to be vulgar nor insulting…

        Seruan

        pagi!
        bangun!
        terpacak!
        tersedia!
        menegak!
        membajak!
        membatang!
        berpalang!
        mendalang!
        berkalang!
        menjalang!

        aku teruja, tapi kaku membatu
        bergelora jiwa, lantas mati kutu
        agak bangga, juga sedikit malu

        laknat!
        manusia-membutuhkan-nafsu
        laknat!
        manusia-bernafsukan-butuh
        laknat!
        butuh-manusia-bernafsu
        laknat!
        nafsu-membutuhi-manusia

        satu gila!
        seribu cerita!
        sejuta kecewa!

        apa cara?
        apa gaya?

        ada saja!
        ada daya!
        apa-apa!
        ada-ada!

        apakan daya?
        biarkan saja?
        adakan daya!
        rekakan cara!

        buatlah cerita
        bukalah pekung didada
        tunjuklah punggung segala

        pagi, petang, malam
        membatang!
        memalang!
        menjalang!

        agama, bangsa dan negara!

  5. This people still lives in the bubble. They don’t understand about islam but they try to comment, tweet or FB-ing like they know more about Islam than a muslim. They think they’re intelligent enought to understand Islam by just reading a few simple wiki info then commenting like they were ulama tersohor. When people get angry with them, they just saying people so sensitive or it just a dark humor. But other cannot even discuss apa cina mahu without they going monkeying around….geeeezzzz

    :o sarah

  6. Nah, ini jawapan RPK di dalam kolum beliau kepada seorang pemberi komen yang ingin mengajar tentang halal haram.

    [written by Steveview, July 20, 2013 10:09:00
    Come on lah , if you go to kampung kerinchi or our airport waiting place , you can find pau make of halal ingredient , but pau in those days were mostly make of pork .time change everything eventually evolve.

    RPK : So what? Who the fuck cares about all that useless information you are giving us? The two arrogant Chinks still intended to provoke and mock the Malays. If you think this is so right why don’t you send me your picture with a halal pig sticking up you arse and a Jakim halal sticker on it and I will post it in MT. ]
    http://www.malaysia-today.net/mtcolumns/no-holds-barred/58256-bah-kut-teh-is-not-chik-kut-teh

  7. This couple must either be from Mars, the Moon or like Rip Van Winkle.

    We read all sorts of apologies for the insensitive behaviour of this short circuited couple who crave free publicity and think it is funny as though the World nowadays has no morals or propriety. Rest assured the good old World has changed one wee bit, It is the ingenuity of Humankind which created all sorts of computations and options to project themselves for all sorts purposes and most times it has something to do with money.

    THIS DUO LOOK UGLY AND INTIMIDATING WHEN THEIR ACT HAPPENED SO SOON AFTER A TITANIC STRUGGLE FOR POWER TO RULE OUR BELOVED MALAYSIA.

    AND SHALL WE SAY IT IS A QUESTION OF TIMING ! Yeh ! TIMING !

    Yeh! It certainly is harmless and funny if this insensitive duo performed Sydney, San Francisco or even Tokyo at midnight. No one would have cared. BUT THEN THIS IS MALAYSIA WITH HER MANY DIVERSE RACES AND RELIGIONS AND SO SOON AFTER A BRUISING ELECTION with the Chinese, the Malaysian Chinese, strangely voted against the BN as led by the UMNO with the 13 component parties.

    1. AK47 said: “THIS DUO LOOK UGLY AND INTIMIDATING WHEN THEIR ACT HAPPENED SO SOON AFTER A TITANIC STRUGGLE FOR POWER TO RULE OUR BELOVED MALAYSIA.
      AND SHALL WE SAY IT IS A QUESTION OF TIMING ! Yeh ! TIMING !”

      yeah…..setiap ujian dan dugaan yg datang itu merupakan baja utk menyuburkan lagi semangat perjuangan mempertahankan keharmonian negara malaysia oleh para pencinta kebenaran

      the more insult they do, the more face off we could see

      1. wangsa. Correct. This is why I appeared on this Blog to put things into proper perspective. That there is a purpose behind all these mad behaviour and that is Opposition politics.

        I have already said they could have achieve power in ONE EASY STEP but they did not and took to common garden tactics of no avail.

  8. Ms H. It would be a happy day for our beloved Malaysia when our citizens can argue or discuss topics without the use of abusive language on one another. Then, we would have come of age.

  9. Ms H. If you take an overview of events which happened after the shock defeat of the Opposition by the BN as led by the UMNO with the 13 component parties since 5 May 2013, you may only observe all these events were either organised openly as in the street demonstrations or pin-pricks singularly to create anarchy or chaos amongst the populace. Fortunately, such out-moded methods failed even through the much vaunted Net army.

    You may note also the deep disappointment of the Singaporean Trojan Horse DAP in not delivering a conquered Malaysia to save the brilliant Lee Kuan Yew with his 9 failed Policies for Singapore and his legacy coupled with the Opposition’s promise to their financiers and the Chinese of CHANGE which did not happen.

    The Opposition after losing big time, cannot do anything to the BN as long as it IMPLEMENTS POLICIES WHICH ARE FAIR AND TRANSPARENT, OBSERVES THE ABSOLUTE RULE OF THE LAWS, MAINTAINS A NORMAL BUREAUCRACY, AND ESCHEWS THE GLCS AND BUSINESS.

    AND PLEASE NOTE ALSO, 2018 IS A LONG LONG TIME AWAY IN MALAYSIAN POLITICS

    1. Accusing the DAP as a Singaporean trojan horse acting to deliver Malaysia to LKY is a serious allegation. I hope you have something concrete to back up your claim.

      Maybe I should read your many postings.

      1. malaysia is what a heaven – that many are dreamed to conquer this promised land…hahaha including LKY

        kenapa marah sgt bila DAP dikatakan kuda tunggangan spore…??

        DAP tidak dituduh sbg kuda tunggangan tetapi DAP ialah kuda tunggangan s’pore

        in fact LKY masih lagi berharap agar dia dapat menjadi president malaysia walaupun dalam sehari melalui proksinya iaitu DAP

        DAP is just an extension of PAP originated from spore
        DAP lead by LKY

        yes…u should read uncle AK47’s postings as well as all other evidents showing that DAP is the new hope for zionist/jesuits to implement new world order especially in malaysia

        DAP is a yowtai evangelist

        jangan marah…..ia bukan tuduhan tetapi satu realiti

        1. You know what, reality implies that there are evidence and facts to that effect.

          Which ever side you stand on, it’s always better you have proof or even circumstantial proof backing up what you say rather than passing up your suspicions, suppositions and conclusions as the only thing people should believe in.

          You also would be better off stopping thinking of every one that challenges you and inquires for confirmation as angry or mad or belonging to the opposite side.

          Besides, if DAP is a trojan horse acting for Singapore, this would be a more serious thing, not something to just be thrown around to badmouth DAP. It’s like saying to other people that you neighbor is a drug dealer/murderer/rapist/whatever and yet not calling the cops about it.

          This is the same thing I am pissed off with how the allegations that Anwar had a hand in the Lahad Datu intrusion have been handled. It’s a serious allegation and should have been investigated and if true Anwar tried as a traitor, instead of just being thrown around in pre GE 13 campaign, and yet seemingly totally forgotten after it.

          1. Hey you can keep your denials bro nobody is asking you to let it go. I surely wants to keep mine too, in case you are wondering.

          2. uncle Ak47 has a vast experience regarding the ups and downs & the struggles of our beloved older generation in developing malaysia.

            read through his postings with an open heart.

            have you ever heard about The Li Bloodline..??
            have you ever heard about Yahadut Mizrah Bloodline..??
            have you ever heard about Yowtai??

            kindly do research about it

            1. wangsa. Thanks. I do not lie or have hatred for anybody in my heart. I am exceedingly happy and pleased that even today our beloved Malaysia has not embarked yet on a journey of no return.

              ALL MY INFORMATION IS FACTUAL AND CULLED OUTSIDE OF MALAYSIA ESPECIALLY FROM SINGAPOREAN SOURCES. No more. No less.

              The simple message I bring is that we should not quarrel amongst ourselves and break our own rice bowl at the instigation of foreign proxies and their foreign money.- it is not worth it after all these years of Nation building led by the BN and UMNO with the 13 component parties.

              1. haha….uncle AK74, thanks a million for sharing your experience that we couldn’t find it anywhere. i feel great for having you joining us in this open discussion at Helen Ang’s garden of information, facts & figures

      2. what the hell. The Singaporean Trojan Horse DAP was founded indirectly by the brilliant Lee Kuan Yew with his 9 failed Policies for Singapore, in 1966. I was in the Dewan Rakyat fo the full PAP team duelling agains the likes of Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad in 1964. I was at the Opposition stark demonstrations along Foch Avenue (Jalan Tun Tan Cheng Lok), against the shooting at Kepong, along Jalan Imbi after the General Elections – all done by men in 555 singlets who morphed into gentlemen in black wielding wooden bats at recalcitrant Tan Sris outside 6 star hotels in KL. These 555 singlet types have been replaced by the bongo bongo voodoo choral and dancing troupes of Subang Jaya – the new Christians – the pawns in Lee Kuan Yew’s game of English Chess since 1966 to conquer our beloved Malaysia. The King
        is in Singapore, the Queen and the rest of the pieces are in Malaysia which is the chess board. The knights, the rogues, the castles used to be Chinamen but in recent years have been replaced by Malays.
        From 1966 to 2013, for 47 long years the Singaporean Trojan Horse DAP did nothing for the Malays, the Chinese, the Indians and all but only contemplated their navels. And the DAP has always shouted the PAP slogan ‘Malaysian for Malaysians’ which is intimidating until early this year when it was changed to ‘M

        1. Sorry. And the DAP has always shouted the PAP slogan ‘Malaysia for Malaysians’ which is intimidating until early this year when it was changed to ‘Malaysia for Malaysians with a Malay based’. I was there when the PAP leaders shouted the very same slogan at their Suleiman Court, KL rally. At that time, the Malays whom I grew up with were already very much agitated by this PAP slogan.

          I became a student of Lee Kuan Yew and Singapore after by elder brother married his only sister in October 1951 and before the founding of the PAP in 1955.

          1. And the brilliant Lee Kuan Yew with his 9 failed Policies for Singapore made THE ILL-ADVISED GRAND TOUR OF THE OPPOSITION in the Ulus in April 2008 to congratulate his associates after being assured of the demise of the BN as led by the UMNO with the 13 component parties – a trip which even his ranking PAPs and family eschewed since 1965 !

            THIS TRIP CLEARLY HAS THE COMPLETE SET OF LEE KUAN YEW’S FINGERPRINTS THAT HE IS DEEPLY INVOLVED IN THE DOMESTIC POLITICS OF MALAYSIA AND THE DEMISE OF BN AS LED BY THE UMNO WITH THE 13 COMPONENT PARTIES. To add salt to the injury, he had English tea out of English fine bone porcelain with a distinguished lady in her salon. And for laughs, we see pics of the head honcho of the MCA a party Lee Kuan Yew wanted to destroy all these years, decked out in his finest Mandarin silks kow-towing to the great man as though he was seeking for the post of Ambassador to China

            1. what the hell. And for your further edification on Lee Kuan Yew, please see http://www.tremeritus.com/2013/07/13/ng-kok-lim-rebuts-sg-embassy-singapore-is-authoritarian and http://www.tremeritus.com/Moody downgrades 3 Singapore banks, DBS, OCBC and UOB to NEGATIVE. This information is SUPPRESSED IN THE MEDIA INCLUDING THE STRAITS TIMES AND THE SINGAPORE BUSINESS TIMES. This is democracy, freedom and meritocracy for you and me, what the hell !
              The above by Singapore’s very own independent source plus its comments confirm what I have been saying about the brilliant Lee Kuan Yew with his 9 failed Policies for Singapore all these years especially since 2011 in the Net.

              1. The brilliant Lee Kuan Yew’s 9 failed Policies for Singapore. Let us look at it this way.
                1 HIS BRILLIANT ACADEMIC ACHIEVEMENT OF DOUBLE STAR FIRST IN LAW AT CAMBRIDGE HAS BY DEEPEST RESPECT AND ADMIRATION.
                2. But his public service which produced at least 9 Policies failures is already engraved in stone in the annals of history.
                i. The use of money as investment in Foreign Policy which killed, maimed or injured innocent men, women and children. Malaysia has no such blood on her hands. Vide. Thaksin. The Bangkok riots.
                2. The loss of US$108 Billions (RM350 Billions) by the dysfunctional meritocratic pyramid of ‘yes’ men with the smartest fellow on top of Trust money in October 2008 on Wall Street. Channelnewsasia. Lee Kuan Yew. November 2008. All Singaporean Blogs. 2009-2013. Financial Times London, Gillian Tett. April 2010. The Star. Seah Chiang Nee Saturday Columns.
                3. The 2 Child family Policy of 1970s and 1980s. This is the killer. Vide. Singapore Government White Paper on Population 2013. In 1959, Lee Kuan Yew took power -indigenous population was 100%. 2013 – 62%. 2030 – 45%. A deliberate reduction of the populace by Policy.
                4. Humanity and Multicultrualism never practised. Vide. Channelnewsasia. The Curry Smell Tribunal. 2011. The 188 bus drivers strike 2012. The toilet fights 2012.etc.

                1. 5. The perfunctory Judiciary which is well-known the World over. Vide. The unfortunate and fortunate Mr Chee. The unfortunate Tan Koon Swan. The Aussie and German drug mules. Dr Woffles Wu. Shaw ( If the Police stopped at 1, he would not be in trouble. But they stopped at 51 !. Poor girl ! ) etc.etc.
                  6. 5000 pigs imported daily. The flower nurseries contracts. King of the Road. The sale of Kim Eng Securities to Maybank. etc etc.
                  7. The Government officials are the highest paid in the World. Vide Warren Buffet.
                  8. The Singaporean Trojan Horse DAP was created indirectly in 1966 by Lee Kuan Yew to deliver a conquered Malaysia to Singapore. The DAP failed in 3 EASY STEPS THREE TIMES – 1997, 2008 and 2013 !
                  9. Lee Kuan Yew assumed power in 1959. He is still there in 2013 – 55 years. During the same period, Malaysia has had 6 democratically elected Prime Ministers.

                  1. what the hell. I am a student of Lee Kuan Yew and Singapore since October 1951 at the top.
                    Lee Kuan Yew spent all his time on geo-politics especially those which concerned his immediate neighbours. His super-computer to gather info on all was in operation since 1972 whilst the Malaysian Immigration inefficient computer began in 2000 !
                    He was right in the middle of the conquest of British Malaya when the Japanese Imperial Army made that historic momentous thrust down the Peninsula to conquer Singapore. From then on, he knew full well that to safeguard the integreity and independenc of Singapore, he must conquer our beloved Malaysia by hook or by crook.

                    1. A SORT OF TAIL WAG THE DOG STRATEGY. Hence, the Singaporean Trojan Horse DAP. To this end, he has failed for the simple reason to this day he does not really understand the Malay PSYCHE due to his own character ! And by being obsessed with a conquered Malaysia to save his legacy which is faced with his failures, he forgot HIS OWN SINGAPOREAN CONSTITUENTS – charity begins at home. And if you read http://www.tremeritus.org/ only ITEM LEFT OUT IS CORRUPTION.
                      WHAT DO YOU THINK THE SINGAPOREANS WILL DO TO HIM NOW WHEN HE SHOUTS IN HONG LIM GREEN, ‘SINGAPORE FOR SINGAPOREANS’
                      What the hell. WHAT GOES ROUND COMES AROUND. Sir !

                    2. what the hell. Here is how the Singaporean Trojan Horse DAP failed to deliver a conquered Malaysia in 3 EASY STEPS – no need demonstrations or tons of money, money, money.
                      1. In 1997, if the DPM took a holiday with his family to Disneyland. He would have returned as the Honourable Prime Minister. Events which happened later would not have arisen. JUST ONE EASY STEP.
                      2. In 2008, if the Opposition had sorted out the 32 seats BEFORE THE GENERAL ELECTIONS AND NOT AFTER, they would be in Putrajaya. JUST ONE EASY STEP.
                      3. In 2013, if the Opp

                    3. You need to check into rehab. A mental institution. There’s one in Singapore.

                    4. Sorry, what the hell.

                      3. In 2013, if the Opposition leadership went on a 100 day hunger strike against the EC and the 13th General Elections and their 51% voters also boycott the General Elections, the BN would have won 100% of the seats with 49% of the votes and faced World condemnation. They would have strolled to power at Putrajaya.

                      Power for the asking in JUST ONE EASY STEP instead of running around the streets of KL and daily pin-pricks at the thick-skinned dinosaur BN.

                      So the Singaporean Trojan Horse DAP failed the King in Singapore MISERABLY. and I AM NOT GIVING ANY ANSWERS TO THE OPPOSITION SELF-INFLICTED DILEMMA.

                  2. what the hell. And on the subject of Singapore’s much vaunted meritocracy, 2 Ministers of the Singapore Government have announced this year 2013 that future admissions and promotions will not be BASED ON ACADEMIC QUALIFICATIONS ALONE BUT ALSO ON HIDDEN TALENTS.
                    We can only admire the efficiency of the Singapore Government to correct a WRONG IN GOOD TIME ! OK. You and me got chance !

                    1. Thks Uncle for your personal insights… you should get your kids to pen down and record your experiences..

                      Sedikit sebanyak ini semua satu hari nanti akan jadi bahan sejarah for our future generations.

              2. Thank you for your response. Looks like you have seen and experienced not only a lot of Malaysia but also Singapore’s history to come to your conclusions and convictions.

                People here should realize they have a treasure trove of history in their midst and try to make good use of it.

                1. another random name. My study of the shenanigans of the politicians on both sides of the Causeway came slowly in time from experiences and observations. I happened to be at the cockpit of the going-ons and humble friend who became powerful and mighty. It is only by presenting facts and facts on the brilliant Lee Kuan Yew with his 9 failed Policies for Singapore that we have a BALANCED VIEW OF OURSELVES VIS-A-VIS SINGAPORE. That I could finally DRAW THE CONCLUSION THAT MALAYSIA IS A RUNAWAY SUCCESS IN HUMAN TERMS AND SINGAPORE A FAILURE. So no need to quarrel amongst ourselves BUT INSTEAD PUT OUR ENERGY TO THE WHEEL FOR PROGRESS FOR OUR CHILDREN AND OUR CHILDREN’S CHILDREN.

                  1. “People here should realize they have a treasure trove of history in their midst and try to make good use of it.”

                    yes indeed….real history never lies, we have to swallow it regardless of its taste, the bitter pill is the best medicine

                    there is no trial/error – it’s either you use it or just forget about it. however history would repeat itself when people never learn the lesson from their past. so do we want to fall at the same place for the second time?? definitely no…

                    i was wondering why suddenly a very successful singapore based company which has operated so many years in malaysia made a hard decision to close down their business over here.
                    it happened somewhere in 2008 and yet supposedly it was also a public listed company in singapore

                    and uncle Ak47’s explanation provides me the answer that i’m looking for.

                    and it was a malaysian tycoon that has saved the company from being collapse all the way by becoming the major shareholder

                    “2. The loss of US$108 Billions (RM350 Billions) by the dysfunctional meritocratic pyramid of ‘yes’ men with the smartest fellow on top of Trust money in October 2008 on Wall Street. Channelnewsasia. Lee Kuan Yew. November 2008. All Singaporean Blogs. 2009-2013. Financial Times London, Gillian Tett. April 2010. The Star. Seah Chiang Nee Saturday Columns.”

                    1. I did occasionally. But I rarely comments though. Here is more fun. If I’m not mistaken, I have read previously as you were telling Helen about your presence there. Was it Mubarak Chan, am I wrong?

                2. Rina. I have already written 2 books. 4 more books to come. I was the only Asian ever to be appointed as ADVISOR to the SMITHSONIAN INSTITUTION, WASHINGTON DC.a long time ago. I do not boast.

      3. what the hell. I STAND BY WHAT I SAID IN MY COMMENTS WHICH ARE FACTUAL. FOR YOUR EDIFICATION, I HAD BETTER GRADES THAN YOUR IDOL THE BRILLIANT LEE KUAN YEW AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE 500 YEAR OLD GATE LEADING TO MY COLLEGE, THE BEST IN CAMBRIDGE. He entered the bottom most college, Fitzwilliam House by the back door. Read his book ‘ Singapore Story’.

        1. what the hell. 15 members of my family, either direct or indirect through marriage, went up to CAMBRIDGE from 1925 to 2013. OK.

  10. Ms H. Good topic. Good timing.’What more do the Chinese want’

    I have always the Chinese, the Malaysian Chinese are the best treated in the World better than Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan, China and the rest of the World.

    Within the Malaysian context, we must presume the Chinese being influenced by the Chinese media and brainwashed in English by the brilliant Lee Kuan Yew with his 9 failed Policies for Singapore all these years, that they want Lee Kuan Yew and the Singapore Government to rule over them.

    The TIMING OF THESE CHINESE, THE MALAYSIAN CHINESE IS ABSOLUTELY PERFECT because they can now read for themselves from Singapore’s very own http://www.tremeritus.com/2013/07/13/ng-kok-lim-rebuts-sg-embassy-singapore-is-authoritarian. Only corruption is not mentioned.

    And http://www.tremeritus.com/Moody downgrades 3 Singapore banks, DBS, OCBC and UOB to NEGATIVE. This information is SUPPRESSED IN ALL SINGAPOREAN MEDIA INCLUDING THE STRAITS TIMES AND THE SINGAPORE BUSINESS TIMES.

    This democracy and meritocracy and freedom for you and me, folks ! At least, in Malaysia, you can still TRY TO PUSH THE BN GOVERNMENT AROUND !

    1. ‘This democracy and meritocracy and freedom for you and me, folks ! At least, in Malaysia, you can still TRY TO PUSH THE BN GOVERNMENT AROUND !’

      Sir, can we say TRY TO PUSH UMNO AROUND since MCA and MIC acted pretty much against the coalition anyway, most of the time. And choose to tikam belakang UMNO whenever they can?!

      1. islam lst. I have great faith in UMNO. They will come round to normalcy soon enough and revert back to be the guardian together with our Yang Di Pertuan Agong of all Malays, Bumiputra, the Chinese, the Indians and all.

        THIS IS WHY OUR BELOVED MALAYSIA AND ITS CITIZENS IS GREAT. Of course, we have our differences and quarrels. BUT LOOK AT THE SWISS CONFEDERATION FOUNDED 800 YEARS AGO – they have 4 tribes, the Germans, the French, the Italians and the Romansch. They still say snide remarks behind each others backs and quarrel. THIS IS WHY THEY HAVE A NATIONAL REFERENDUM ON ISSUES EVERY TIME !

        1. islam 1st. Please also realise the Malays and Bumiputras in Malaysia are UNIQUE AS A SINGULAR GROUP IN THIS WORLD JUST BECAUSE THEY ACTED WHAT THEY HAD ACTED SINCE 1946. And as for the DE-TRIBALISED CHINESE and the Indians and all, I am happy to say they are also exceptional vis-a-vis their origins !

    2. “This democracy and meritocracy and freedom for you and me, folks ! At least, in Malaysia, you can still TRY TO PUSH THE BN GOVERNMENT AROUND !”

      With Najib yes, don’t get me wrong I support him 110% all the way, but there are two or maybe 4 successors in the making, and they would give them “HELL” once in power.

      Except for Anwar Ibrahim, traditionally the potential successor always tow the line and these successors are groomed to be an all- rounder in various key Ministries e.g. KDN,KPM, KP, KK.

      I think every Malay can almost certainly guess who is the favorite after Muhyiddin Yassin.

      Sorry to say KJ and H2O are not in the list at this moment and will never be I hope. Dapster loves these two.

      1. lol. The Malays have always had their way of doing things since 1946 the year of the Malay Spring. I have full trust in their commonsense and vision. No problem. Without UMNO, we non-Malays will be in big big trouble.

  11. Let’s not complicate matters. Amongst the Chinese community the work “bak” is synonymous with “pork” because that is the favoured meat, hence when they mean “beef” they would say “gu bak.”

    So, the defence might try to pull the wool over our eyes but we are not STUPID. I only hope the judge on the day is not a PRO-PKR/DAP judge, In shaa Allah.

    1. re: “Amongst the Chinese community the work bak is synonymous with pork

      Correct.

      What kind of people are they yang masih mahu menegakkan benang basah dengan putar-belit “daging ayam”, “daging kambing” mereka?

      1. Been in my family for 3generations, (grandparents/ aunts/ uncles/ cousins/ nephews and own kids) we don’t use the word BABI but “BAK” when referring to PORK. Babi is a forbidden word, kinfs rude when uttered esp infront of the elders – instantly kena cubit pipi!

        Anyway, Helen.. duk tanya kat blog you nama2 products or restaurants having “Halal” Bak Kut Teh so we can send our team there to inspect, why noone bothers to reply? Boleh Helen tolong dapatkan senarai ini tak?

        Those who mentioned outlets using chicken or mutton for their “Halal” Bak Kut Teh can also please name these restaurants.

  12. Apa lagi Cina Mahu?

    Cina mahu Melayu malu dengan mengungkit pasal Ibrahim Ali dan Zul Noordin menghina bangsa lain.

    Tetapi Cina (dan beberapa India) tidak pernah mengungkit pasal Dong Zong, Hua Zong (dan macam-macam Zongs lagi), Chua Soi Lek, Namewee, Karpal Singah, Theresa Kok, Lim Kit Siang, Lim Guan Eng, Ngeh Koo Ham, Tian Chua…you all boleh tambah sendiri-aku dan makin geram ni, ramai sangat!

    Surat Untuk Namewee

    http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/Forum/20130718/fo_01/Surat-untuk-Namewee

    Dan Cina juga mahu bergabung…

    Gerakan (who?), MCA (DAP coolest coolie) & SUPP akan bergabung menjadi parti Cina atau parti pelbagai bangsa sebab Gerakan (who?) dan SUPP yang juga mempunyai ahli bukan Cina.

    http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/Dalam_Negeri/20130721/dn_01/3-parti-Cina-BN-bergabung

    Macam mana dengan India, Kadazan dan Iban dalam parti-parti ni, kalau depa jadi parti Cina?

    Macam mana pulak dengan keadaan UMNO yang sekali lagi sedang dimalukan dengan tikam belakang 5 bintang dengan ‘memaksa’ UMNO bergabung dengan puak-puak losers dalam BN (what?).

    Kalau tak gabung nampak rasis pulak. Kalau gabung umpama orang lain makan isi, kita makan tulang!

    Nampaknya UMNO seperti pernah dinukilkan satu ketika dahulu, menang bentuk, kalah isi!

    1. islam1st,

      Your comments and lol’s were blocked by the WordPress filter due to the Utusan url, it would seem (as that is what both your comments had in common).

      ???

      One thing I’ve noticed is that Malaysiakini does not turn up tops in Google search which could be due to copyright issues (or something).

      I’ve no explanation on this puzzling business of Utusan urls being diverted to Spam queue.

      1. Right after GE13 it was hard for me to visit Utusan Online. You know after the Apa Cina Mahu Lagi?, more and more I wanted to read the Utusan albeit online. It has been a couple of week for it to normalise, if I’m not mistaken.

        And now this. Hmmmm. Sneaky…

        What kind of people are they?

    2. islam1st, you tak pernah dengar nama parti GERAKAN ke?

      org cina ada dua parti yg join BN, MCA dan GERAKAN

      pernah dengar nama Dr Lik Keng Yaik?
      logo mereka ialah tigasegi warna merah ada gambar padi kat tengah tu

      http://www.gerakan.org.my/

      ia bukan sebuah “gerakan” tapi ia adalah satu nama parti

      1. I dari Penang maa, of course la saya tahu parti Gerakan. Sorry, it was a series of bad jokes I’d like to post once in a while. Gerakan is full of jokers! Still does.

  13. Waa taruh link sudah tiga kali tak boleh wor Helen, why?

    Surat Untuk Namewee

    YO Bro! Whats Up!

    Mungkin ayat di atas melayakkan saya mendekati dan berkawan dengan anda sepertimana yang berjaya dilakukan beberapa individu, artis dan juga Menteri Melayu. Tetapi, saya orang Melayu. Jika saya mahu berkawan saya akan gunakan pendekatan Melayu kerana perlembagaan Malaysia jelas mengatakan Bahasa Kebangsaan kita adalah Bahasa Melayu.

    Saudara Namewee,

    Saya berharap agar anda sihat dan bahagia dengan kehidupan anda sekarang. Walaupun anda pernah menghina agama Islam dengan cara anda, menghina lagu Negaraku dengan RAP anda, menghina bendera Malaysia bagi menunjukkan perasaan tidak puas hati anda dan sebagainya, anda tetap hero dan idola kepada kaum anda. Ini jelas terbukti melalui filem arahan anda yang box-office selain mendapat sokongan daripada korporat Cina serta penggiat industri filem Cina.

    Pada Ramadan tahun ini, selepas lebih enam tahun anda menghina Islam, Melayu dan Malaysia, seperti yang kami jangka, didikan dan hasutan anda kepada jutaan Cina lain khususnya anak muda remaja yang lain telah berjaya. Alvin dan Vivian hanya merupakan dua orang daripada berjuta apprentice anda yang akan meneruskan legasi ‘rasis jahat’ anda.

    Sebagai anak ibu Cina, saya mengaku ibu saya mempunyai sikap perkauman yang kuat kepada bangsanya iaitu Cina. Namun ibu juga mendidik saya agar saya juga bangga dengan kaum saya sama ada Melayu atau Cina, dengan menjadi seorang ‘rasis baik’ yang menghormati hak dan perasaan kaum lain.

    Tidak seperti anda Namewee, anda sebaliknya dididik ibu anda untuk berbangga menjadi ‘rasis jahat’ yang hanya menghormati hak dan perasaan kaum anda sahaja dan menghina hak dan perasaan kaum lain.

    Saudara Namewee,

    Saya berdoa kepada Allah agar anda diberi kesihatan dan nyawa yang panjang. Hidayah jika itu kehendakNYA. Saya amat berdoa agar anda terus hidup untuk menyaksikan kesan daripada satu tindakan anda. Tindakan yang pada anda mudah, senang dan heroic tetapi kesannya panjang dan amat mudarat kepada rakyat Malaysia yang bakal didiami oleh anak cucu anda.

    Sejarah Wikipedia mencatat anda sebagai ahli seni yang berjaya dan tidak langsung menceritakan yang anda meminta maaf kepada rakyat Malaysia bagi mengelak tindakan ke atas anda. Tetapi saya pasti, sejarah akan mencatat anda sebagai pencetus utama kepada hubungan serta keharmonian kaum di Malaysia.

    Terma ini amat dibanggakan anda buat masa ini kerana anda akan terus dianggap hero oleh kaum Cina. Walaupun Buddha mengajar penganutnya berdamai dan menghormati hidupan lain waima semut, maka jelaslah ramai penganut Buddha seperti anda sudah banyak terpesong daripada ajaran Buddha. Saya katakan anda terpesong kerana saya pernah membaca ‘kitab’ rakan Cina saya, seorang Buddha SGM. Jelas ajaran Buddha adalah baik hati, baik tutur, baik makan, baik badan, baik nafas, baik penglihatan dan baik segala yang ada di dunia.

    Mungkin bila anda mati Buddha akan mengecilkan anda kerana memesongkan pemikiran serta mengotorkan hati penganut Buddha Malaysia.

    Saudara Namewee,

    Apa jua kepercayaan agama kita, kita semua tidak dapat lari daripada hukum alam. Kita akan tua, akan berkahwin, akan mempunyai anak dan akan mati.

    Pada masa itu, anda mungkin masih tidak akan menyesal walaupun berjuta orang Cina dikotori jiwa mereka oleh anda, dihina tamadun dan nilai bangsa Cina yang sopan oleh bahasa kesat anda.

    Anda sudah pasti tidak menyesal walaupun beratus Melayu Islam ditangkap polis kerana marahkan anda serta anak-anak didik anda. Jauh sekali anda tidak akan peduli walaupun berjuta Melayu terus dihambat masalah nilai maruah kerana tiada tindakan diambil terhadap anda dan banyak lagi kesan yang anda tidak pernah fikir, jauh sekali menyesal.

    Tindakan anda pada masa lepas telah mengakibatkan pelbagai masalah kepada berjuta orang. Saya pasti agama anda mengajar anda nilai kemanusiaan tapi mungkin anda bukan seorang penganut agama yang baik. Sebagai rakyat Malaysia, saya memberi anda jaminan, saya dan ramai lagi akan mengingati anda sebagai punca kepada ‘segalanya’.

    Artikel Penuh: http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/Forum/20130718/fo_01/Surat-untuk-Namewee#ixzz2ZdV8BrE4
    © Utusan Melayu (M) Bhd

  14. Surat Untuk Namewee

    YO Bro! Whats Up!

    Mungkin ayat di atas melayakkan saya mendekati dan berkawan dengan anda sepertimana yang berjaya dilakukan beberapa individu, artis dan juga Menteri Melayu. Tetapi, saya orang Melayu. Jika saya mahu berkawan saya akan gunakan pendekatan Melayu kerana perlembagaan Malaysia jelas mengatakan Bahasa Kebangsaan kita adalah Bahasa Melayu.

    Saudara Namewee,

    Saya berharap agar anda sihat dan bahagia dengan kehidupan anda sekarang. Walaupun anda pernah menghina agama Islam dengan cara anda, menghina lagu Negaraku dengan RAP anda, menghina bendera Malaysia bagi menunjukkan perasaan tidak puas hati anda dan sebagainya, anda tetap hero dan idola kepada kaum anda. Ini jelas terbukti melalui filem arahan anda yang box-office selain mendapat sokongan daripada korporat Cina serta penggiat industri filem Cina.

    Pada Ramadan tahun ini, selepas lebih enam tahun anda menghina Islam, Melayu dan Malaysia, seperti yang kami jangka, didikan dan hasutan anda kepada jutaan Cina lain khususnya anak muda remaja yang lain telah berjaya. Alvin dan Vivian hanya merupakan dua orang daripada berjuta apprentice anda yang akan meneruskan legasi ‘rasis jahat’ anda.

    Sebagai anak ibu Cina, saya mengaku ibu saya mempunyai sikap perkauman yang kuat kepada bangsanya iaitu Cina. Namun ibu juga mendidik saya agar saya juga bangga dengan kaum saya sama ada Melayu atau Cina, dengan menjadi seorang ‘rasis baik’ yang menghormati hak dan perasaan kaum lain.

    Tidak seperti anda Namewee, anda sebaliknya dididik ibu anda untuk berbangga menjadi ‘rasis jahat’ yang hanya menghormati hak dan perasaan kaum anda sahaja dan menghina hak dan perasaan kaum lain.

    Saudara Namewee,

    Saya berdoa kepada Allah agar anda diberi kesihatan dan nyawa yang panjang. Hidayah jika itu kehendakNYA. Saya amat berdoa agar anda terus hidup untuk menyaksikan kesan daripada satu tindakan anda. Tindakan yang pada anda mudah, senang dan heroic tetapi kesannya panjang dan amat mudarat kepada rakyat Malaysia yang bakal didiami oleh anak cucu anda.

    Sejarah Wikipedia mencatat anda sebagai ahli seni yang berjaya dan tidak langsung menceritakan yang anda meminta maaf kepada rakyat Malaysia bagi mengelak tindakan ke atas anda. Tetapi saya pasti, sejarah akan mencatat anda sebagai pencetus utama kepada hubungan serta keharmonian kaum di Malaysia.

    Terma ini amat dibanggakan anda buat masa ini kerana anda akan terus dianggap hero oleh kaum Cina. Walaupun Buddha mengajar penganutnya berdamai dan menghormati hidupan lain waima semut, maka jelaslah ramai penganut Buddha seperti anda sudah banyak terpesong daripada ajaran Buddha. Saya katakan anda terpesong kerana saya pernah membaca ‘kitab’ rakan Cina saya, seorang Buddha SGM. Jelas ajaran Buddha adalah baik hati, baik tutur, baik makan, baik badan, baik nafas, baik penglihatan dan baik segala yang ada di dunia.

    Mungkin bila anda mati Buddha akan mengecilkan anda kerana memesongkan pemikiran serta mengotorkan hati penganut Buddha Malaysia.

    Saudara Namewee,

    Apa jua kepercayaan agama kita, kita semua tidak dapat lari daripada hukum alam. Kita akan tua, akan berkahwin, akan mempunyai anak dan akan mati.

    Pada masa itu, anda mungkin masih tidak akan menyesal walaupun berjuta orang Cina dikotori jiwa mereka oleh anda, dihina tamadun dan nilai bangsa Cina yang sopan oleh bahasa kesat anda.

    Anda sudah pasti tidak menyesal walaupun beratus Melayu Islam ditangkap polis kerana marahkan anda serta anak-anak didik anda. Jauh sekali anda tidak akan peduli walaupun berjuta Melayu terus dihambat masalah nilai maruah kerana tiada tindakan diambil terhadap anda dan banyak lagi kesan yang anda tidak pernah fikir, jauh sekali menyesal.

    Tindakan anda pada masa lepas telah mengakibatkan pelbagai masalah kepada berjuta orang. Saya pasti agama anda mengajar anda nilai kemanusiaan tapi mungkin anda bukan seorang penganut agama yang baik. Sebagai rakyat Malaysia, saya memberi anda jaminan, saya dan ramai lagi akan mengingati anda sebagai punca kepada ‘segalanya’.

    UTUSAN MALAYSIA-Helen, waa taruh link tak bleh wor? Why ahh?

    1. re: “-Helen, waa taruh link tak bleh wor? Why ahh?”

      Hmm, I also dunno. Can pls try again?

        1. I just checked the spam queue and found some of your (auto aborted) comments with the urls.

          I also found lol’s several attempts to provide the link to legislation/the local council by-law on building surau.

          And I found this (copypasted below) in the Spam queue too. It must be RBA spamming and hence the filter auto trashed it.

          “besok ada repot polis kikiki blog ni dan lain2 contributor yg ungkit isu sentuh semua agama.. either stop and delete the posts atau ada repot terhadap helen ang..”

          Well, so now the scumbag cybertroopers are resorting to this.

            1. Sorry about yours.

              I’ll trawl the Spam queue when I have the time to see what else is there.

              About the RBA threat ending up in spam, it could be because they send from a camouflaged/rerouted IP whereas ordinary commenters just post from your home or office computers.

                1. Serumpun with The Sneaky Star and their sebalik tabir blogs — remember ‘The DAP Insider’ that was an MCA-Scissorati covert operation?

                1. So far I haven’t tried to trace in respect of the unwritten good faith relationship between the blogger and our readers.

                  That’s why I’ve never revealed any IP address even though some of the operatives such as Mohd Aziz aka Ravin masquerading as Pakatan Puak Pembohong really deserved to be outed.

                  1. Okay. Now I understand you a little bit better. But surely zack & tooyid is of the same person…buy hey, I’m not asking you…

  15. M. Kula Segaran @mkula
    Honour 10-point ‘Allah’ deal, CFM tells Najib government | The Malay Mail Online

    Yeah after the Komtar Potentate stirred shit up with his Christmas message and the youth wing of the CFM spat on the original deal, they now want some honour.

  16. Kes Alvivi memperlihatkan sifat kiasi dan kiasu politikus Cina dan pembangkang. Takut mati dan takut kalah.

    Lihat betapa cepatnya LGE dan Anwar mengecam Alvivi. Mereka yang paling anti Akta Hasutan merupakan yang pertama mengecam Alvivi. Di manakah sifat kemaafan yang digalakkan oleh Yesus ? JSubang DAP diam diam? Kiasi lah. Takut mati.

    Dan nak cuci tangan dengan cepat kiasu lah. LGE dan Anwar konon nak jaga hati Melayu.

    Tapi bila Bung ‘mengebung’ Alvivi di parlimen, pembaca2 MKini kiasu membela Alvivi.

    Kesian Alvivi. Jatuh tangga pula ditimpa tangga. Politikus mempergunakan kesilapan Alvivi untuk main politik. Samalah MKini dan Star. Untuk jual suratkhabar dan dapat popularariti.

    Sehingga kini pihak MCA dan PAS yang diam. UMNO dan DAP yang paling banyak berbicara.

    1. MCA kat Seremban buat polis report. Michael Chong marah. CSL tak boleh kata apa, sebab 2 kali 5.

      PAS is a gone case for most of us here, at least. Hanipa Maidin might just be writing a piece or two for thestar soon. I doakan untuk dia.

        1. My wrong.

          Sepatutnya saya tulis, MCA kat NS ada buat report polis terhadap Alvivi.

          Michael Chong pun marahkan perbuatan Alvivi.

  17. Obviously these 2 idiots succeeded in provoking another bunch of UMNO Muslim idiots to overact. Why not UMNO sent their batman team to fix them up in the jail? If UMNO said there is NO PROBLEM of burning the bible, I don’t see why we need to give any respect to these UMNO bastard minister.

    1. “these UMNO bastard minister.”

      Those UMNO minister have been saving your CINA DAP butt for a long time without them you would become the Chinese in Indonesia. [YouTube]

      Please learn a lesson or two from their experience will you…

    1. I have said previously that if Umno Malays continue as it is, then BN will lose power come GE14. Reading the comments on this blog, my assertion is coming true.

      I have said many times. I will repeat again. When will Umno Malays wake up ? When will Umno Malays realize that we are looking at a changed, new reality ? When will Umno Malays sober up and fix their internal problems ?

      This latest bak kut teh controversy is just a diversion. And I m going to say this. Umno will benefit the most from this controversy. The perfect avenue to deflect the attention of Umno Malays from attending to Umno’s internal problems.

      So many has been politicians in Umno clinging to power. The scheming, conniving crooks. The dead woods now robbing the people through their stewardship of government linked companies. All this under the pretext of “safeguarding Malay interests”.

      I have given BN a chance in GE13 because it was Najib’s first election as PM. For GE14, well…………..I m not sure about that. If you don’t fix your internal and external problems, and continue to piggyback on controversies, issues generated by people who are out to fix you, then forget about GE14. As they say, you’re history. Done.

      1. Same here bro. 2008 I Ubah. 2013 I Ubah again. 2018 I might Ubah, lets just see how it goes with all of this mess, shall we?

      2. ” have said many times. I will repeat again. When will Umno Malays wake up ? When will Umno Malays realize that we are looking at a changed, new reality ? When will Umno Malays sober up and fix their internal problems ?”

        We are up and about after PRU13, there will be no more Chinese Tsunami, for it is proven that we do not need the Chinese to rule. Even MCA, Gerakan and MIC won on Malays vote. UMNO in total won back 7 seats from Pakatan in Malay majority areas while MCA, Gerakan and MIC lost every single one of them in their areas (based on their respective ethnicity).

        UMNO has made impressive in road in Kelatan, and the next PRU will be more interesting. UMNO should forget all out about the Chinese majority constituencies and move on…..Not that UMNO don’t want them but their greedy, selfish and ingrate behaviour has resulted in the Chinese Tsunami.

        Again, Gelang Patah is the turning point for UMNO and Malays.

    2. Yeah right CJB, as long as the definition fits your liking, then it is the truth and nothing but the truth.

    1. What a scumbag politician, no wonder he didn’t defend the two and said they should be punished.

      All just so that he can use them to try harassing other politicians and condemning the authorities.

      He seems to forget he was the one who ignited the whole bible issue in the first place, perhaps he should be reported and charged.

      He also forgot that Zulkifli was in PAS at the time of that remark, yet only now they chose to make a deal out of it.

  18. http://syedsoutsidethebox.blogspot.com/2013/07/4as-university-entry-and-nep.html

    quote”. I wonder why Cina nak sangat masuk IPTA? I thought they said Malaysians education system sucks?

    .. even after they graduated from IPTA they still claimed and shout to the world that Malaysian education system sucks!

    .. then they will work overseas using the degree that they got from IPTA and tell everybody who wants to listen that Malaysian education system sucks.

    Therein lies the crux of the matter – the attitude of Cina. Never grateful. Wants everything. No sharing. Complain until you get what you want. The epitome of Thomas Malthus “I must win, you must lose” is Cina in Malaysia.

    The present Cina youth is much worse. I doubt the present crop of Cina top scorers from vernacular schools will serve Malaysia after they graduated. They will work in Singapore or other foreign countries and will badmouth Malaysia (read Malay) non-stop.”unquote.

  19. Fine, there is halal bak kut teh. However can someone enlighten me how many restaurants in Malaysia selling halal bak kut teh? Even though there are halal versions available, most Bak Kut Teh are made with pork and hence the dish has been stereotyped as PORK RIBS TEA (I took this name from a Chinese website featuring a recipe for Bak Kut Teh). I am living in a Chinese-dominated area and let me tell you, it is not easy to find halal Chinese food cooked by Muslims. Even most Japanese, Korean and Thai restaurants in my area are non-halal.

    I would like to highlight this: EVEN IF THE MEAT USED FOR BAK KUT TEH IS NOT PORK, THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT BAK KUT TEH IS HALAL. EVEN IF THE MEAT IS CHICKEN, BEEF OR MUTTON, THE ANIMALS NEED TO BE SLAUGHTERED ACCORDING TO THE ISLAMIC WAY. FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE CHICKEN MEAT IS OBTAINED FROM A CHICKEN THAT HAS BEEN ELECTROCUTED, THEN THE BAK KUT TEH IS NON-HALAL EVEN THOUGH THE OTHER INGREDIENTS SUCH AS HERBS AND SPICES ARE HALAL AND THE CHICKEN BY NATURE IS HALAL.The problem here is that most of my non-Muslim Chinese friends understand that HALAL MEANS PORK-FREE AND ALCOHOL-FREE. They leave out the slaughter part, which is integral to the definition of halal.

    Furthermore, why are we ignoring the fact that the halal bak kut teh is being promoted by NON-MUSLIM PORN STARS? Here we have a pair of ‘penzina’ who are proud of showcasing their trysts to the public with no sense of shame, and we clearly know that pornography is degrading to the society. Zina is a big sin in Islam and even though Alvivi are non-Muslims, the fact that halal bak kut teh is promoted by porn stars is UTTERLY GROSS. It is akin to an alcoholic or a drug addict promoting a halal product to Muslims. Has pornography and zina become such a norm in our society that we perceive that pornography is not a crime? We already have a bunch of porn stuff available in the Internet and pirated media, therefore we definitely don’t need our very own Malaysians to become porn stars.

    Since Alvivi are productive with their sex lives and promoting porn (which shows that they obviously have nothing else better to do with their time), I am surprised that they actually can find the time to advertise Bak Kut Teh and wishing the Muslims ‘Selamat Berbuka Puasa’ with Bak Kut Teh. You know something? Back in the old days, centuries ago, youngsters like Alvivi would be whacked like hell and probably disowned by their parents for disgracing their families by committing zina. This is regardless of race and religion. Back then, people looked down upon sex out of wedlock (zina), prostitutes, women who worked in night clubs and the like. And just look at our society these days. People have become ‘enlightened’ and ‘open-minded’ that they don’t care if their youngsters behave the way Alvivi did. Hey, this is the modern era, so why bother, right? This is the modern times, so anything can be done under the name of freedom of speech and freedom of expression, without thinking of the negative consequences it has on the society.

    Even if it weren’t for the bak kut teh, I will still tell Alvivi to get lost because of the pornography. They themselves admitted that they couldn’t care less of what the society thinks of their exhibitionist trysts, so why do we need degrading youngsters like these in a Muslim country? They should abscond to countries like US where they will feel liberated to continue with their filthy ways. I will be happy and they will be happy. End of story.

    1. Its like wishing some of our Hindu brothers A Happy Deepavali while asking them to try and cook kepala lembu masala for a change!

      Is not funny isn’t it? Is it?

      1. Udah-udah ler tu. Cakap dgn orang mcm si Vindaloo ni aka cyber terrorist mcm cakap dgn dinding. Baik ignore dia.

  20. Helen Ang | Julai 21, 2013 at 2:07

    (1)WM is Hindraf chairman — no change in status.

    (This is even worse. I thought he was made obsolete by the group. The fact that UMNO kutip this guy who had openly blamed UMNO and UMNO only for sidelining the Indians in Malaysia, the worst UMNO could do is to sell out.

    2) Hindraf brought to national attention the chronic Indian plight.
    If the Umno-led gomen had failed to show a willingness to address Indian problems, then the Indian vote in GE13 would have mirrored the 90% Chinese vote going to the oppo.

    The chronic Indian plight neglected by who? UMNO? What is MIC then? If they won’t engage MIC and want to talk to UMNO they can just do so. Why la the brutal demo? Why la acting as if they are foreign to this country especially with Gandhi pics. Gandhi is not Tun Sambanthan is he? Gandhi Ji, was respected during his life time for peaceful movement. Gandhi would be ashamed of what Hindraf had done! People on the ground are having only hate to spews on these group of people (I will talk more about this shortly under grass root), saying that the Indians dah melampau. When Najib decided to engage Hindraf he was planning to sapu bersih, or menang dengan bergaya thinking that the Chinese are with him, nor that he knew about a tsunami waiting to unleash.)

    Engaging Hindraf is
    (3) re: “surely does not bode’s well with the grass root”
    You mean with the Umno-Malay grassroots? But I have run a number of Hindraf Q&As in my blog before – with both the brothers and the Hindraf advisor – for them to explain the affirmative action programmes they wanted for Indians.
    (a) From what I gather, the Malays are supportive of extending dedicated assistance to the Hindraf constituency (poor, marginalized Indians) to help uplift the displaced community – especially the urban squatters who were displaced from the rubber estates.

    (Of course Helen you did. But please bear in mind those whom you classified as UMNO-Malay grass roots. Obviously many of them trolling your blog reading and what more commenting are not the bulk of them to say the least. The grass root is the silent majority, the real bhiksu, as I have always pointed out. The one that may not be visiting your blog ever! I a marketing garduate. Getting sample in sub urban and rural areas are not as easy as the market centre or urban. They are very timid kind of people. They are as open as sharing their opinion on things as you and me. They definitely shy a way from blog like this. Many of them anyway. Helen, unless you have the details of the IP address ie location etc than you might be able to conservatively tabulate the so called UMNO-Malay grass roots. Unless, how would you be so sure Helen?
    Of course in general the Malays had no issues over genuine plight of the Indians or even Chinese for that matter. The thing that does bodes well with the grass root (the orang kampung elders, nelayan, petani etc in Malay heartlands) thinking that by giving in to such entities is showing that we are weak and terhegeh-hegeh terlalu bagi muka kepada our haters. Why not helping the Indians that is friendly to us? Why would we need to engage these religious extremist?)

    (b) Why should the Malay grass roots be unhappy if the Indian dissatisfaction is redressed?

    (Hindraf is not the average Indian Helen. What they did. And their way of voicing their concern should not be entertain. Otherwise forever will be entertaining threats after threats after threats, and not to mention some brutality as well, when a group is not happy with something. Should this be the way to go? Have we forgotten the Paris riot?)
    (c) The bottomline line for Umno as I see it is that the urban, middle-class, professional, English-speaking Christian Indian electorate is staunchly with Pakatan. (Very agree with this, BN must find ways to get to them)
    And you know how Umno is mocked as being able to garner only the kampung Malay and Felda settler votes from among the Utusan readership.(Surely so. The bulk of the vote bank for the Malays is understandably in the Malay heartlands. Albeit reserved in nature they are simply not less informed-to swing from UMNO to PAS and back to UMNO in last GE surely prove that they have got the current issues covered and will only show it through the ballot box-action speaks louder than words)
    Critically b’cos the next GE is a do-or-die battle, BN desperately needs the semi-rural, Tamil-speaking, Hindu Indian vote — like those of Mengkibol as well as to claw back at least a portion of those Tamil votes in the suburbs.(surely but UMNO does not have to be a sell out. Let MIC do its part. What the point of giving these MICs leaders ministerial posts and all if they have no one to serve? UMNO must tell them that they wont be free lunch for the MIC. If we have to engage Hindraf to engage the average Indians, MIC may as well be dead.

    (d) It all boils down to the head count, ultimately. For Ge14, BN should expect to obtain less than 5% of the Chinese votes.
    Hence I believe Najib is doing the right thing in engaging the Indians. (Of course we should be engaging the Indians. This is definitely not the first. We should not think that by engaging Hindraf we are engaging the Indians. We have engaged MIC and apparently their are not doing their job as well as they should have been. What happen if another group tomorrow, putting up a demo ala Hindraf with the same premise of fighting for the marginalised and systematics genocide of the Indians in Malaysia? Should we engage them or should we not? By then if they managed to garner the support just like Hindraf did, we will be three group fighting for Indians causes. We had MIC and apparently they don’t represent the Indians. We then took in Hindraf and apparently sama cerita juga. And now this group pulak? Indians should have make the decisions already. We can’t be speaking to all three for one similar thing can we? What if a lot more crop up? What then?
    (4) re: “What message is he trying to conveys to us all?”
    Reconciliation? That Umno too can ‘change’ and is willing to listen as well as reduce its arrogance. (In a way, maybe to some. To some others this will be perceived as lemah. Tidak ada maruah. Lembik. Dan tidak ada kesungguhan for real change but cosmetics.
    I’ve been saying for yonks that we’re heading into the two-race political system, i.e. Bumiputera vs Chinese. (Maybe true.)
    So which side is more isolated and which side is more inclusive? This is the perception war.
    If BN can get the Indians onto their side, then the DAP-dominated Pakatan will appear to be a solely Chinese+Christian package.
    If BN loses the Indians (Sabah & Sarawak natives, Siamese, dll), then the Malay-dominated BN will appear to be a Malay+Muslim package. (Might be, I can see a pattern in that manner too)
    Najib, like his father Tun Razak in 1974, is collecting the various small minorities ethnicities to board his omnibus.
    This is a bus that has no or negligible Chinese passengers. That was Dr M’s Gelang Patah ultimatum — the Chinese tore up their bus ticket. (You should no better, wouldn’t you. Agreed)
    (5) re: “Helen, may I asked why did you choose to put the pics of that guy tearing up Tsu Koon gambar? Any particular reason?”
    To explain to Shamshul why Hindraf is prioritized over Kimma. The mamak (not meant to be derogatory) vote is already within the Umno fold. The mamak guy tearing up KTK’s photo is a Penang Umno man. (Techincally he is a peranakan, but I don’t think he would be happy knowing that you had associated him with ‘mamaks’ of KIMMA. I would also say that KIMMA is different from say, Sharizat or Azeez. He is more of a Sharizat and Azeez than he is a KIMMA. I’m not sure whether you would understand it. It is quite complex actually. Personally I had known the man.

    Kimma is of little political heft in its ability to deliver votes.
    Before the BN-Hindraf rapprochement on the eve of election, Najib already turun padang to personally meet the Indian ground. During a period when Hindraf was not in the picture, Najib went direct and bypassing MIC.
    Simple: Umno wants the Chinese and Indian votes (whatever little that BN can muster but still vital for borderline seats) that MCA and MIC had been unable to deliver, that’s all there is to it. (Very much in agreement with this. But KIMMA is definitely not known for being political but more to safeguards the business interest of its members. Lately it had done more. My money changer child hood kawan, would only have bad things to say about them. Not that I’m in agreement with all of his POV on KIMMA, I might add.)

    1. Re: “this guy who had openly blamed UMNO”
      Aiyah, he was only reciting the national motto lah.

      Re: “Why la the brutal demo?”
      In what way was the 25 Nov 2007 demo brutal? None of the protesters had injured a policemen.

      Re: “Why la acting as if they are foreign to this country especially with Gandhi pics. […] Gandhi Ji, was respected during his life time for peaceful movement.”
      Since you say Gandhi is respected for his peaceful movement, you have yourself answered your question as to why they carried the Gandhi portraits.

      Re: “saying that the Indians dah melampau”
      Dragging the severed and bloodied cow head was melampau too.

      Re: “Helen, unless you have the details of the IP address ie location etc than you might be able to conservatively tabulate the so called UMNO-Malay grass roots. Unless, how would you be so sure Helen? […] The thing that does bodes well with the grass root (the orang kampung elders, nelayan, petani etc in Malay heartlands) thinking that by giving in to such entities is showing that we are weak and terhegeh-hegeh terlalu bagi muka kepada our haters.”

      Okay, fair enough and I accept your point that I cannot claim my blog commenters as representative of the rural Malay voice.

      But can you similarly give me the details to support your contention that the orang kampung elders, nelayan, petani etc in Malay heartlands are unhappy with Hindraf? I ask the same level of proof from you that you have demanded of me, and which I concede that I cannot supply.

      Can you tabulate those orang kampung elders, nelayan, petani and also ascertain that they are people living “in the Malay heartlands” who have indicated that they’re angry with Hindraf.

      Re: “Hindraf is not the average Indian Helen.”
      Okay. How is Hindraf different from the “average” Indian?

      Re: “What they did. And their way of voicing their concern should not be entertain.”
      They voiced their concern by taking to the streets just like Bersih, Bersih 2.0 and Bersih 3.0. Why should they not be entertained when the Election Commission is willing to entertain Ambiga’s demands?

      Re: “Otherwise forever will be entertaining threats after threats after threats, and not to mention some brutality as well, when a group is not happy with something. Should this be the way to go? Have we forgotten the Paris riot?)”

      (a) Can you spell out for me what were the “threats after threats after threats” that Hindraf issued after 25 Nov 2007?
      (b) Can you describe the “some brutality” that you allege Hindraf inflicted, and on whom please?
      (c) What about the Paris riot and in what way has anything that Hindraf done been similar to the Paris riot? Please cite concrete incidents.

      Re: “surely but UMNO does not have to be a sell out. Let MIC do its part. What the point of giving these MICs leaders ministerial posts and all if they have no one to serve? UMNO must tell them that they wont be free lunch for the MIC.”

      Then your problem is with MIC, just like our problem is with the MCA for letting its apparatus campaign for DAP.

      Re: “We should not think that by engaging Hindraf we are engaging the Indians.”
      Urm, Hindraf represents the Chinese Christians of Subang Jaya, meh?

      Re: “We have engaged MIC and apparently their are not doing their job as well as they should have been.”
      Again your problem appears to be with MIC, a party which is not on my blog radar.

      Re: “What happen if another group tomorrow, putting up a demo ala Hindraf with the same premise of fighting for the marginalised and systematics genocide of the Indians in Malaysia?”

      Since November 2007, we have passed 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 and halfway past 2013, and so far there has not been another Indian Makkal Sakthi movement on the horizon. Let’s cross the bridge when we come to it.

      Re: “By then if they managed to garner the support just like Hindraf did, we will be three group fighting for Indians causes.”
      Again your problem appears to be with MIC (and PPP).

      Re: “Indians should have make the decisions already. We can’t be speaking to all three for one similar thing can we?”
      If I read you correctly, you’re saying that Indians are MIC, Hindraf and PPP just like Malays are Umno, PAS and PKR. Just as there are calls for Malay unity, are you suggesting that the Indians unite too?

      Re: “In a way, maybe to some. To some others this will be perceived as lemah. Tidak ada maruah. Lembik. Dan tidak ada kesungguhan for real change but cosmetics.”
      The Hindraf supporters are probably wondering the same thing – whether Najib will keep the nambikei with them or if the MoU is merely cosmetic.

      Re: “He is more of a Sharizat and Azeez than he is a KIMMA. I’m not sure whether you would understand it. It is quite complex actually. Personally I had known the man.”
      Okay, thanks for the explanation. I take it that Shahrizat doesn’t speak Tamil but the Kimma members do (?)

      1. ‘Re: “this guy who had openly blamed UMNO”
        Aiyah, he was only reciting the national motto lah.’

        Aiyah, if you thinks so, then it is lah.

        Re: “Why la the brutal demo?”
        In what way was the 25 Nov 2007 demo brutal? None of the protesters had injured a policemen.

        Funny enough they did.

        http://www.thestar.com.my/story.aspx?file=%2f2007%2f11%2f26%2fnation%2f19575975&sec=nation

        Cop hurt trying to control crowd

        KUALA LUMPUR: A police officer was injured when he was hit on the head with stones and broken bottles during The Hindu Rights Action Force (Hindraf) street protest yesterday.
        The attack on Dang Wangi CID sub-inspector Chew Choon Peng has left him with two gashes on his head with 12 stitches.
        He is also suffering from bruises on his arms, shoulders and legs.
        Chew was given outpatient treatment at the Kuala Lumpur Hospital. He is recuperating at his home in Cheras.
        “A fellow officer was attempting to arrest a rowdy protester who was making derogatory remarks at our squad of 15 officers stationed in Jalan Hampshire.
        “All hell broke loose when the protestor resisted arrest and I stepped in to help. The next thing I knew there was a sharp stinging pain on my head, and then I fell down,” he said.
        He commended his colleagues for quickly controlling the situation and dragging him away from the 200-odd protesters who had begun hurling motorcycle helmets and bricks at the retreating team of policemen.
        But the violence fizzled out as quickly as it had started and the protesters, too, retreated in the opposite direction towards Jalan Semarak.
        Several of Chew’s colleagues were also seen limping, and others clutching their arms in pain after the short attack. They then bandaged Chew’s head as he was bleeding profusely.
        Source: TheStar.com.my

        Re: “Why la acting as if they are foreign to this country especially with Gandhi pics. […] Gandhi Ji, was respected during his life time for peaceful movement.”
        Since you say Gandhi is respected for his peaceful movement, you have yourself answered your question as to why they carried the Gandhi portraits.

        No lah, how come? It turned ganas what? How does that represent Ghandi?

        What about Queen Elizabeth portraits? With caption that goes, ‘The Queen of England, the symbol of Justice, we still have hope on you? What do they mean by that? They want to ikut the Queen balik Britain is it? Is that not acting foreign ah? What about our Yang Dipertuan Agong? Subject to the Queen is it? Or slightly kejam than the Queen since according to their logic, a ‘symbol of Justice’ they put their hope on?

        Re: “saying that the Indians dah melampau”
        Dragging the severed and bloodied cow head was melampau too.

        Of course. No can deny that. But please don’t deny the fact that what Hindraf did was not because of the kepala lembu incident. The melampau act has got nothing to do with the melampau act you try to compare it with. Come on la, Helen, we can’t have a wrong justifying the wrongs?

        Re: “Helen, unless you have the details of the IP address ie location etc than you might be able to conservatively tabulate the so called UMNO-Malay grass roots. Unless, how would you be so sure Helen? […] The thing that does bodes well with the grass root (the orang kampung elders, nelayan, petani etc in Malay heartlands) thinking that by giving in to such entities is showing that we are weak and terhegeh-hegeh terlalu bagi muka kepada our haters.”
        Okay, fair enough and I accept your point that I cannot claim my blog commenters as representative of the rural Malay voice.
        But can you similarly give me the details to support your contention that the orang kampung elders, nelayan, petani etc in Malay heartlands are unhappy with Hindraf? I ask the same level of proof from you that you have demanded of me, and which I concede that I cannot supply.
        Can you tabulate those orang kampung elders, nelayan, petani and also ascertain that they are people living “in the Malay heartlands” who have indicated that they’re angry with Hindraf.

        I simply can’t too.

        But it is fair to say that I lives among these people. I have relatives in most of the Malay Heartland states. We congregate, (not limited to once a year, btw)we talk and discuss things that has impacted our lives. Politics included. It is not outside looking in anymore. I surely know people who are angry with Hindraf. None I spoke to, even among the nons had say that these people had melampau. The details is hurtful for me to share here. So it is an uphill battle for me to prove this to you too, I guess.

        Re: “Hindraf is not the average Indian Helen.”
        Okay. How is Hindraf different from the “average” Indian?

        Surely they can’t be representing the whole community voices? I believe this is so. So we can be talking and engaging the part of the society that believe in this country for once. Those who hail the Queen of England can’t be average Indians, right? Perhaps this is one example that Hindraf does not get full supports of the average Indians. Well at least I want to think so. I may be proven wrong. Just like what we have seen with the Chinese lately.

        http://www.thesundaily.my/node/132311

        Re: “What they did. And their way of voicing their concern should not be entertain.”
        They voiced their concern by taking to the streets just like Bersih, Bersih 2.0 and Bersih 3.0. Why should they not be entertained when the Election Commission is willing to entertain Ambiga’s demands?

        As for EC entertain Ambiga’s demand is not for me to answer. You might want to ask them direct. I’m a s baffled as you are. Perhaps weak leadership is the answer. I still stand that religious extremist of any kind should not be entertain. You might have a different way of looking at things.

        Re: “Otherwise forever will be entertaining threats after threats after threats, and not to mention some brutality as well, when a group is not happy with something. Should this be the way to go? Have we forgotten the Paris riot?)”
        (a) Can you spell out for me what were the “threats after threats after threats” that Hindraf issued after 25 Nov 2007?
        (b) Can you describe the “some brutality” that you allege Hindraf inflicted, and on whom please?
        (c) What about the Paris riot and in what way has anything that Hindraf done been similar to the Paris riot? Please cite concrete incidents.

        Aiyah itu figure of speech la Helen. But they did, refer to thesun url above. What I meant was, by giving face to these extremist we are not doing ourselves a favour.
        Hopefully the police pics with the Star url above will refresh your memory on this.
        You might want to check youtube vidoes on what Hindraf had done and what the Paris rioters had done. The context was different, the act definitely not.

        Re: “surely but UMNO does not have to be a sell out. Let MIC do its part. What the point of giving these MICs leaders ministerial posts and all if they have no one to serve? UMNO must tell them that they wont be free lunch for the MIC.”
        Then your problem is with MIC, just like our problem is with the MCA for letting its apparatus campaign for DAP.

        I guess so. Similar also in the acts of the Chinese in blaming UMNO for everything just like Hindraf did.

        Re: “We should not think that by engaging Hindraf we are engaging the Indians.”
        Urm, Hindraf represents the Chinese Christians of Subang Jaya, meh?

        Err, NO. But you must not be serious thinking they represented the Indians community. What are having the MIC and to an extent PPP for then? Perhaps Najib might want to buy Hindraf lock, stock and barrel. And scrap MIC along the way.

        Re: “We have engaged MIC and apparently their are not doing their job as well as they should have been.”
        Again your problem appears to be with MIC, a party which is not on my blog radar.

        Perhaps you should. How can you talk about Hindraf and the plights of Indians while omitting out MIC from the equation? If Hindraf and can put their fingers on UMNO for everything Indians, bringing up MIC is never out of context would it? Maybe should blog about MIC whenever you want to talk about Hindraf and the Indians. Perhaps to set the context straight.

        Re: “What happen if another group tomorrow, putting up a demo ala Hindraf with the same premise of fighting for the marginalised and systematics genocide of the Indians in Malaysia?”
        Since November 2007, we have passed 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 and halfway past 2013, and so far there has not been another Indian Makkal Sakthi movement on the horizon. Let’s cross the bridge when we come to it.

        Surely we should. 2011 attempt as highlighted by thesun url above is an attempt that more or less failed. Another group may not necessarily be Hindraf. Precedent had been set. You demo. We talk to you. Just like you said the EC entertain Ambiga. Is this the way to go for Malaysia?

        Re: “By then if they managed to garner the support just like Hindraf did, we will be three group fighting for Indians causes.”
        Again your problem appears to be with MIC (and PPP).

        My real problem starts when UMNO were made to blame on this. That is all to it.

        Re: “Indians should have make the decisions already. We can’t be speaking to all three for one similar thing can we?”
        If I read you correctly, you’re saying that Indians are MIC, Hindraf and PPP just like Malays are Umno, PAS and PKR. Just as there are calls for Malay unity, are you suggesting that the Indians unite too?

        No. They can be as many as they wish to be. But UMNO should decide to whom its should be talking already. Who is calling the shot over Indians issues. That is how Tun M would it. Any business dealing also you talked to people that matters. The decision makers. Any tom, dick and harry claims that they are big boss for this and that company. But we don;t jump the gun and talk to them. We would only do if they really are. The question remains, who represent Indians in Malaysia? How to addressed Indian issues should they government did not get the grass root inputs. We don’t want pisang berbuah dua kali do we? The Indians can just come back and say that what had UMNO did for them was wrong bla-bla shit, just because they engaged the wrong people.

        Re: “In a way, maybe to some. To some others this will be perceived as lemah. Tidak ada maruah. Lembik. Dan tidak ada kesungguhan for real change but cosmetics.”
        The Hindraf supporters are probably wondering the same thing – whether Najib will keep the nambikei with them or if the MoU is merely cosmetic.

        A wrong won’t make it otherwise, would it?

        Re: “He is more of a Sharizat and Azeez than he is a KIMMA. I’m not sure whether you would understand it. It is quite complex actually. Personally I had known the man.”
        Okay, thanks for the explanation. I take it that Shahrizat doesn’t speak Tamil but the Kimma members do (?)

        Mostly true. But you can’t say that for sure, too. The man surely can’t speak tamil, I’ve known the family since I was a kid.
        They don’t speak Tamil at all. Mamak is a too generic word. Perhaps Pak Syed can blog about this.

        1. re: “They want to ikut the Queen balik Britain is it? Is that not acting foreign ah? What about our Yang Dipertuan Agong? Subject to the Queen is it?”

          The Hindraf lawsuit was filed against the British crown. It was not filed against our YDP.

          re: “Or slightly kejam than the Queen since according to their logic, a ‘symbol of Justice’ they put their hope on?”

          The lawsuit wants to make the British crown the respondent. That means that the Hindraf complaint is

          against the British colonizers (up until 1957) and not against the Malayan government.

          Re: “saying that the Indians dah melampau”
          Dragging the severed and bloodied cow head was melampau too.
          Of course. No can deny that. But please don’t deny the fact that what Hindraf did was not because of the kepala lembu incident. The melampau act has got nothing to do with the melampau act you try to compare it with. Come on la, Helen, we can’t have a wrong justifying the wrongs?

          (a) In response to you, I have been specific as to what act constitutes melampau, i.e. “dragging the severed and bloodied cow head”. You were the one who first brought up the “melampau” word.

          (b) My comparison is that every ethnic community has its share of extremist individuals. You’re making as if the extremists only belong to the Indian and Chinese communities. My comparison was not to justify anything. It was to compare.

          (c) Can you enlighten us again as to what Hindraf did exactly that was “wrong” and “extremist” specifically?

          re: “I surely know people who are angry with Hindraf. […] So it is an uphill battle for me to prove this to you too, I guess.”

          It’s alright. I can accept your word that your social circle were angry with Hindraf. Their Indian tsunami – which they proudly claimed and never sought to deny – was in 2007. Water under the bridge.

          Makkal Sakthi has splintered and the various factions have moved on. Two of the Indian lawyer ISA detainees have even become DAP Aduns — Manoharan (Kota Alam Shah, 2008-2013) and Ganapathi Rao (current Selangor exco).

          Re: “Surely they can’t be representing the whole community voices?”

          The name Hindraf itself is Hindu Rights Action Force. From Day 1, they claimed to represent the poor and the marginalized, and their movement started in NGO responses to the spate of Hindu temple demolitions.

          As to your rhetorical question – “representing the whole community voices” – urm, it is possible that the English-speaking evangelical Christians of Subang Jaya do not see themselves as being represented by Hindraf. In any case, Mr Hannah Yeoh is not Indian.

          re: “So we can be talking and engaging the part of the society that believe in this country for once.”

          The BN-voting Indians?

          re: “Those who hail the Queen of England can’t be average Indians, right? Perhaps this is one example that Hindraf does not get full supports of the average Indians. Well at least I want to think so. I may be proven wrong. Just like what we have seen with the Chinese lately. http://www.thesundaily.my/node/132311

          Why do you say they “hail” QE II? They filed a lawsuit against her. In other words, they saman her.

          Your url links to an article on the anti-Interlok rally. The headline is ‘Hindraf demo fails to pull crowds: Hishammuddin’.

          In the first place, “109 people including eight Hindraf leaders and human rights activists [were arrested] by police in the federal capital”, according to The Sun report that you linked.

          (i) If the demo was a failure, why were so many people arrested?

          (ii) Why did the Home Ministry preemptively detain the rally leaders if Hisham was so confident that they wouldn’t be able to muster any public support?

          (iii) Why did DAP’s (then) Senator S. Ramakrishan tweet asking Indians to stay away from the rally if both the gomen and the DAP believed that the Hindraf-initiated anti-Interlok demo would not get any support?

          Re: “I still stand that religious extremist of any kind should not be entertain.”

          Hmmm, I wonder why Hishamuddin Hussein entertained the cow head protesters.

          Re: “You might want to check youtube vidoes on what Hindraf had done and what the Paris rioters had done. The context was different, the act definitely not.”

          You are welcome to direct us to any YouTube videos that might show what Hindraf had done which is the same as what the Paris rioters had done.

          Re: “But you must not be serious thinking they represented the Indians community. What are having the MIC and to an extent PPP for then? Perhaps Najib might want to buy Hindraf lock, stock and barrel. And scrap MIC along the way.”

          Sigh. Your problem appears to be with the MIC and to an extent PPP.

          Re: “You demo. We talk to you. Just like you said the EC entertain Ambiga. Is this the way to go for Malaysia?”

          It depends on the merit of what is being protested. Not everyone agrees with you that the Hindraf issues (displaced rubber estate workers becoming urban squatters, as one example) should not be entertained.

          Personally, I’ve gotten tired of the Bersih demands.


          Re: Again your problem appears to be with MIC (and PPP).
          “My real problem starts when UMNO were made to blame on this. That is all to it.”

          Are you saying that Umno must be absolved from any blame?

  21. re: “They want to ikut the Queen balik Britain is it? Is that not acting foreign ah? What about our Yang Dipertuan Agong? Subject to the Queen is it?”
    The Hindraf lawsuit was filed against the British crown. It was not filed against our YDP.
    re: “Or slightly kejam than the Queen since according to their logic, a ‘symbol of Justice’ they put their hope on?”
    The lawsuit wants to make the British crown the respondent. That means that the Hindraf complaint is
    against the British colonizers (up until 1957) and not against the Malayan government.
    Re: “saying that the Indians dah melampau”
    Dragging the severed and bloodied cow head was melampau too.
    Of course. No can deny that. But please don’t deny the fact that what Hindraf did was not because of the kepala lembu incident. The melampau act has got nothing to do with the melampau act you try to compare it with. Come on la, Helen, we can’t have a wrong justifying the wrongs?

    Helen the lawsuit is when ahh? Cause I was refering to the banner they have carried on the day the had demo in 2007. I was putting in context their antics that day. For them to do that, how can we justify what they did. That is why I say it was stupid and insulting.

    So suddenly the decided to saman the British Crown does not make it go away the fact that the had menghina and melampau in ‘belittling’ the Yang Dipertuan Agong of Malaysia.

    (a) In response to you, I have been specific as to what act constitutes melampau, i.e. “dragging the severed and bloodied cow head”. You were the one who first brought up the “melampau” word.
    (b) My comparison is that every ethnic community has its share of extremist individuals. You’re making as if the extremists only belong to the Indian and Chinese communities. My comparison was not to justify anything. It was to compare.

    Have I not agree that it was melampau too? You can be funny at times.

    (c) Can you enlighten us again as to what Hindraf did exactly that was “wrong” and “extremist” specifically?

    Helen does the injured policeman says anything to you? As for a lot more evidence, the last time I checked it was there around the net. Pics and Videos alike. I’m sure you are quite resourceful.

    re: “Those who hail the Queen of England can’t be average Indians, right? Perhaps this is one example that Hindraf does not get full supports of the average Indians. Well at least I want to think so. I may be proven wrong. Just like what we have seen with the Chinese lately. http://www.thesundaily.my/node/132311”
    Why do you say they “hail” QE II? They filed a lawsuit against her. In other words, they saman her.

    I was talking about this seditious banner.

    Again as I have said earlier the saman is way after the insulting hail the Queen banner. Only after Brown did nothing perhaps the reality sunk in among these people.

    Your url links to an article on the anti-Interlok rally. The headline is ‘Hindraf demo fails to pull crowds: Hishammuddin’.
    In the first place, “109 people including eight Hindraf leaders and human rights activists [were arrested] by police in the federal capital”, according to The Sun report that you linked.

    I was trying to say that they don’t represent the whole lot. Maybe I was dead wrong on this.

    (i) If the demo was a failure, why were so many people arrested?
    (ii) Why did the Home Ministry preemptively detain the rally leaders if Hisham was so confident that they wouldn’t be able to muster any public support?
    (iii) Why did DAP’s (then) Senator S. Ramakrishan tweet asking Indians to stay away from the rally if both the gomen and the DAP believed that the Hindraf-initiated anti-Interlok demo would not get any support?

    I’m not made Minister so I can’t be speaking for the Gomen. And Hishamudin is the last person I would want to defend. So perhaps they should answer you. I can’t.

    Re: “I still stand that religious extremist of any kind should not be entertain.”
    Hmmm, I wonder why Hishamuddin Hussein entertained the cow head protesters.

    Again, you should ask him.

    Re: “You might want to check youtube vidoes on what Hindraf had done and what the Paris rioters had done. The context was different, the act definitely not.”
    You are welcome to direct us to any YouTube videos that might show what Hindraf had done which is the same as what the Paris rioters had done.

    http://mahaguru58.blogspot.com/2007/11/hindraf-demo-gone-crazy-now-everyone.html

    Perhaps the Paris riot is still available on Youtube. You ni manja!

    Re: “But you must not be serious thinking they represented the Indians community. What are having the MIC and to an extent PPP for then? Perhaps Najib might want to buy Hindraf lock, stock and barrel. And scrap MIC along the way.”
    Sigh. Your problem appears to be with the MIC and to an extent PPP.

    My problem is with people who keep blaming UMNO for problems in their community. The sharing is not gonna be perfect. Please show me where is?

    It depends on the merit of what is being protested. Not everyone agrees with you that the Hindraf issues (displaced rubber estate workers becoming urban squatters, as one example) should not be entertained.

    Displaced rubber estate workers becoming urban squatters is definitely valid. But others have this problems too. Not all Malays are residing in Bukit Tunku you know. But systematic genocide against the Indians is way another story. Don’t you agree?

    Asking Brown to help save them their lives from this genocides is blatant lies. Are these they kind of people we give credits too? You must be joking here!

    But certainly the particular group should not be entertained with. Some liberals just don’t!

    Personally, I’ve gotten tired of the Bersih demands.

    Good for you. I had joined the first. But the second and third, I’m just glad that I didn’t. They are a sham too!

    Re: Again your problem appears to be with MIC (and PPP).
    “My real problem starts when UMNO were made to blame on this. That is all to it.”
    Are you saying that Umno must be absolved from any blame?

    No. Never.

    But are saying that UMNO should be held accountable for everythings? And the rest of the political parties must be absolved from any blame?

    My answer is as good as yours.

    1. re: “Helen the lawsuit is when ahh? Cause I was refering to the banner they have carried on the day the had demo in 2007.”

      Source — http://www.icird.org/2011/files/Abstracts/ICIRD_2011_Abstract122.pdf

      International Conference on International Relations and Development (ICIRD) report, Quote:

      “In November 25, 2007, the supporters of HINDRAF gathered outside the British High Commission to hand over a 100,000 signature memorandum to the British Embassy in Kuala Lumpur. The memorandum was a petition to Queen Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom to appoint the Queen’s Counsel to represent poor Malaysian Indians. Despite repeated warnings and a court order which allowed the police to arrest the participants, the HINDRAF rally saw thousands of Indians protesting on the streets of Kuala Lumpur. In addition, the HINDRAF rally support a US$4 trillion (RM14 trillion) lawsuit by HINDRAF against British government for bringing Indians to Malaysia as indentured labourers and exploiting them for 150 years.” (Unquote)

      re: “So suddenly the decided to saman the British Crown does not make it go away the fact that the had menghina and melampau in ‘belittling’ the Yang Dipertuan Agong of Malaysia.”

      I do not see why you are dragging the YDP into this. The Hindraf demo said absolutely nothing about the YDP. They saman the Queen of England.

      re: “Have I not agree that it was melampau too? You can be funny at times.”

      That is different from you accusing me of “justifying” Hindraf by making a comparison with the cow head extremists.

      re: “(c) Can you enlighten us again as to what Hindraf did exactly that was “wrong” and “extremist” specifically?” / “Helen does the injured policeman says anything to you?”

      When Umno supporters scuffle with PAS supporters during a demo, are you going to say that Najib and his party supreme council are extremist? The rally attracted 30,000. There is a limit to which the central command can control the crowd.

      But I will allow that there was one recorded incident of a policeman getting injured, as you have highlighted. I stand corrected on that.

      re: “As for a lot more evidence, the last time I checked it was there around the net. Pics and Videos alike. I’m sure you are quite resourceful.”

      I may be resourceful in doing research but you are the one making the accusation. So the onus is on you to provide the picture and video links. If I make the accusations, then I will provide the url and the screenshots.

      re: “I was trying to say that they don’t represent the whole lot. Maybe I was dead wrong on this.”

      There is no need for you to say this (moot point) b’cos in the first place they only claimed they represented the poor and the marginalized. Also there is the ‘Hindu’ in their organization name as explained already.

      re: (i) If the demo was a failure, why were so many people arrested?
      (ii) Why did the Home Ministry preemptively detain the rally leaders if Hisham was so confident that they wouldn’t be able to muster any public support?
      (iii) Why did DAP’s (then) Senator S. Ramakrishan tweet asking Indians to stay away from the rally if both the gomen and the DAP believed that the Hindraf-initiated anti-Interlok demo would not get any support?

      “I’m not made Minister so I can’t be speaking for the Gomen. And Hishamudin is the last person I would want to defend. So perhaps they should answer you. I can’t.”

      Why should the gomen and Hisham answer me? You were the one who brought up the matter.

      Re: “I still stand that religious extremist of any kind should not be entertain.”
      Hmmm, I wonder why Hishamuddin Hussein entertained the cow head protesters.

      Again, you should ask him.

      Well, each time you accuse Hindraf to be religious extremists I shall bring up the cow head protesters. It’s called “mirroring” — I shall join in the little game you’re playing with Conrad. The more, the merrier, right?

      Re: “You might want to check youtube vidoes on what Hindraf had done and what the Paris rioters had done. The context was different, the act definitely not.”
      You are welcome to direct us to any YouTube videos that might show what Hindraf had done which is the same as what the Paris rioters had done.

      http://mahaguru58.blogspot.com/2007/11/hindraf-demo-gone-crazy-now-everyone.html

      The videos total 15 minutes. Please specify which scene you are saying are the same as happened during the Paris riot. Then I shall watch the videos to match the scene(s) you specify … if they are there.

      Otherwise the video shows the police spraying water cannon and tossing tear gas, no meh?

      re: “My problem is with people who keep blaming UMNO for problems in their community.”

      The sec-gen of BN (Ku Nan) signed the MoU with Hindraf. Isn’t the fact of the signing/agreement already an acknowledgement that some problems in the Indian community had been neglected by the govt earlier, and that BN has pledge redress now?

      re: “But systematic genocide against the Indians is way another story. Don’t you agree?”

      I don’t agree with the “genocide” word.

      But we both agree that the displacement of rubber tappers is one issue. So which issues (Indian problems) that you disagree with? Please spell them out.

      re: “Asking Brown to help save them their lives from this genocides is blatant lies. Are these they kind of people we give credits too? You must be joking here!”

      Can you please provide the link where Hindraf purported asked “Brown to help save them their lives from this genocides”?

      Re: “But are saying that UMNO should be held accountable for everythings? And the rest of the political parties must be absolved from any blame?”

      LOL. If you google the contents of my blog, which do you think turns up the most search results? Is it the search word “Umno” or “PAS” or “PKR” or “MIC” or “MCA” or “DAP”?

      1. The pics above was extremely menghina Yang Dipertuan Agong. I know the fact that they post the saman. But it was years after the hail the Queen of England banner. When ahh was asking the year to year context. 2007 as compare to 2011 for example.

        ‘When Umno supporters scuffle with PAS supporters during a demo, are you going to say that Najib and his party supreme council are extremist? The rally attracted 30,000. There is a limit to which the central command can control the crowd.’

        With this logic. The Bersih’s extremist attacking the cop was part of the collateral damage I guess. Just like Pakistanis killed via US friendly fire.

        ‘Well, each time you accuse Hindraf to be religious extremists I shall bring up the cow head protesters. It’s called “mirroring” — I shall join in the little game you’re playing with Conrad. The more, the merrier, right?’

        That is not mirroring la Helen. Although I found it funny you’d said so. Mirroring does not involved apple to orange. Sneaky of you by bringing in Conrad into the picture. Hmmmm. SOS for help is it? ;))

        Perhaps this will answer you with regards to my opposition on Hindraf. This will also answer the genocide statement as well as surat kepada Brown.

        Hindraf appeal to Gordon Brown to refer Malaysia to World Court (&) and International Criminal Court

        HINDRAF
        Hindu Rights Action Force
        No. 135-3-A, Jalan Toman 7,
        Kemayan Square,
        70200 Seremban, Negeri Sembilan
        Malaysia. Tel : 06-7672995/6
        Fax: 06-7672997 Email waytha@hotmail.com

        15.11.2007
        The Rt. Hon. Gordon Brown
        Prime Minister of the United Kindom
        10 Downing Street, Fax: +442079250918
        London, URGENT
        SW1A 2AA

        Dear Sirs,

        RE: 1. COMMONWEALTH ETHNIC INDIAN PEACE LOVING SUBJECTS IN MALAYSIA PERSECUTED BY GOVERNMENT BACKED ISLAMIC EXTREMIST VIOLENT ARMED TERRORIST WHO LAUNCHED A PRE DAWN VIOLENT ARMED ATTACK AND DESTROYED THE KG JAWA MARIAMAN HINDU TEMPLE AT 4.00 A.M THIS MORNING (15.11.2007).

        2. APPEAL FOR U.K TO MOVE EMERGENCY U.N RESOLUTION CONDEMNING “ETHNIC CLEANSING” IN MALAYSIA.

        3. APPEAL TO REFER MALAYSIA TO THE WORLD COURT AND INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT FOR CRIMES AGAINST IT’S OWN ETHNIC MINORITY INDIANS.

        We refer to the above critical matters in Malaysia but which generally gets the least attention locally even by the Opposition parties, NGO’s, the Malaysian Human Rights Commission and the media for this community is generally regarded as politically insignificant, do not draw local or international funding and are deemed not pressworthy. To the contrary the Malaysian government has successfully projected itself to the world as a modern Islamic thinking country which is not true.

        The ethnic minority Indians in Malaysia were brought in to Malaysia by the British some 200 over years ago. Since independence in 1957 the Malaysian Indians have been permanently colonialised by the Islamic fundamentalist and Malay chauvinists UMNO led Malaysian government.

        Among the recent atrocities committed by this government are as follows:-

        1.100 over Indians were slashed and killed by the UMNO controlled Malaysian government in the Kampung Medan mini genocide. Despite numerous appeals, the Malaysian Human Rights Commission has refused to hold a Public Inquiry. The UMNO controlled Malaysian courts struck off a victim’s public interest civil suit for a Public Inquiry to be held without even the said UMNO controlled government having to file in their defence. The UMNO controlled Attorney General and the Inspector General of Police refused to investigate and / or initiate an inquest into the death of at least six Indians in this tragedy despite.

        2. Every week one person at average is killed in a shoot to kill policy and in every 2 weeks one person is killed in police custody. About 60% of these victims are Indians though they form only 8% of the Malaysian population.

        3. In every three weeks one Hindu temple is demolished in Malaysia.

        The latest being the demolishment of the Mariaman temple in Padang Jawa, Shah Alam, Selangor early this morning (15.11.2007) and the next being the (Mutaiya) Hindu temple in Sungai Petani scheduled for the 29.11.2007.

        A violent armed pre down attack at 4.00a.m this morning was launched by the UMNO controlled Malaysian government backed by about 600 police, riot police, Islamic extremist and armed terrorists which completely destroyed this temple.

        In an attack two weeks ago, uniformed police, riot police and city Council officers hurled rocks and attacked unarmed Hindu devotees with knives, sticks and iron rods
        (see http://www.malaysiakini.com for pictures).

        At least 20 Hindu devotees were seriously injured and 19 arrested including 4 of their United Kingdom trained lawyers in direct violation of Article 5 (Right to life) Article 8 (Equality) Article 11 (Freedom of Religion) Section 295 (defiling a place of worship), Section 296 (disturbing a religious assembly), 298A(causing racial disharmony) and Section 441(criminal trespass) of the Malaysian Penal Code.

        These authorities are plagued by an above the law mindset and in fact liberally take the law into their own hands. These atrocities however does not happen to almost all Islamic places of worship. Please visit http://www.policewatchmalaysia.com for further and better particulars.

        4. State sponsored direct discrimination against the Indians in Public University intakes, Indian (Tamil) Schools, skills training institutes, civil service and private sector job opportunities, business and license opportunities and in almost all other aspects of daily life.

        Despite our hundreds of letters, appeals and pleas to the Malaysian King and Sultans, the Prime Minister, Attorney General, Inspector General of Police, Ministers, Chief Ministers and the latest being our letters to the Prime Minister dated 29.10.2007 and 30.10.2007 and to the Attorney General dated 1.11.2007 the Malaysian authorities are only proceeding with greater ferocity and with impunity with very little regard for the Federal Constitution and laws of Malaysia. So please help us.

        CONCLUSION

        We fear that this peace loving Indian community of Tamil origin having been pushed to the corner and the persecution getting worse by the day may be forced to into terrorism in a matter of time as what has happened to the Sri Lankan Tamils.

        APPEAL

        On our part we are committed to a peaceful and lawful struggle and pray and appeal that the Government of the United Kingdom:-

        1. Moves an emergency United Nations resolution condemning these state sponsored atrocities and persecutions of Malaysian Indians in Malaysia.

        2. Refers Malaysia to the World Court and the International Criminal Court for Crimes against it’s own ethnic minority Indians

        Thank You,

        Yours Faithfully

        P.Uthayakumar
        Legal Adviser
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        Re: “But are saying that UMNO should be held accountable for everythings? And the rest of the political parties must be absolved from any blame?”

        Ahh, that was mirroring. Notice the similar words and words structure as your original question whether UMNO should be absolved from any blames.

        1. My apology for the delay. Your comment is so long and the avalanche of current topic comments too precedence in (blog) moderation.

          re: “I know the fact that they post the saman. But it was years after the hail the Queen of England banner. When ahh was asking the year to year context. 2007 as compare to 2011 for example.”

          The QE II banner must have been carried on 25 Nov 2007. It was a gathering by the Indians to hand the Hindraf memo to the British High Commissioner. The saman is linked to the memo and demo — same time period. The rally participants turned up b’cos they supported the idea of the lawsuit even tho’ technically the lawsuit had not been filed prior to 25/11/07.

          ‘When Umno supporters scuffle with PAS supporters during a demo, are you going to say that Najib and his party supreme council are extremist? The rally attracted 30,000. There is a limit to which the central command can control the crowd.’ / “With this logic. The Bersih’s extremist attacking the cop was part of the collateral damage I guess. Just like Pakistanis killed via US friendly fire.”

          The logic is to evaluate how much the leaders and other party office bearers incited the mob.

          e.g. Anwar and Azmin’s hand signal during Bersih and the breaching of the barricades, Husam Musa’s mati syahid ‘fatwa’, Nik Abduh’s speech — ” Hati hijau dan insyaallah kita hamparkan laluan ke Putajaya dengan permaidani berwarna hijau dan walaupun bertukar merah dengan darah sekalipun hijau akan tetap ke Putrajaya, insyallah” and whatever Iguana and his 3.0 henchmen said to bolster their “ini kali lah” exhortation.

          re: “Sneaky of you by bringing in Conrad into the picture. Hmmmm. SOS for help is it? ;))”

          ,) Even though I’ve been alleged to be “very persistent” by more than one reader, Conrad has got far more stamina in persistence. Saya pun mengalah kepada Conrad and give him the last word.

          re: “This will also answer the genocide statement as well as surat kepada Brown.”

          Will read later. Wanna have my dinner first! ‘Updating (2) SK Seri Pristana canteen case’ has got 218 comments already which required moderation.

          1. So in your opinion the pics provided enough to warrant menghina Yang Dipertuan Agong? Melampau tak?

            Just in case you are still reading the surat Hindraf kepada Brown, you might want to focused on these for context to support my genocide and acting foreign behaviour.

            A)RE: 1. COMMONWEALTH ETHNIC INDIAN PEACE LOVING SUBJECTS IN MALAYSIA PERSECUTED BY GOVERNMENT BACKED ISLAMIC EXTREMIST VIOLENT ARMED TERRORIST WHO LAUNCHED A PRE DAWN VIOLENT ARMED ATTACK AND DESTROYED THE KG JAWA MARIAMAN HINDU TEMPLE AT 4.00 A.M THIS MORNING (15.11.2007).

            Pay attention to ‘COMMONWEALTH ETHNIC INDIAN PEACE LOVING SUBJECTS’, how do you read that?

            ‘SUBJECTS IN MALAYSIA’, subjects of who, happens to be in Malaysia? British Queen? The one the picture banner they bandied around during the demo?

            ‘PERSECUTED BY GOVERNMENT BACKED ISLAMIC EXTREMIST VIOLENT ARMED TERRORIST’ Who is this they are trying to paint? if the word Government is a cue, Islamic Extremist would be none other than UMNO right? Since they have omitted out other political party and state rather crystal clear-ly that UMNO is the one they are not happy with. So do you see why I disagree that UMNO made one of them a minister. In fact further reading will make you see that UMNO was accused of supplying the Islamic Extremist.

            B)APPEAL FOR U.K TO MOVE EMERGENCY U.N RESOLUTION CONDEMNING “ETHNIC CLEANSING” IN MALAYSIA.

            U.K is the last country you appeal to as far human rights and personal liberty is concern. The last time that they did intervene, they cost lives lost to the host country. Friendly Fire. Collateral Damage are PR term to kosher their inhumane brutalities! So in all sanity, why would one asked U.K to intervene?

            “ETHNIC CLEANSING” IN MALAYSIA. Being a media practitioner, are you in agreement with this? Do you still think that it is valid? Did you get to sit and ask them about the stats on this?

            Firstly the reason no motion passed at the U.N on this was only to prove that it was baseless. But should the did pass it, what do you think the kind of action will be taken on Malaysia? Would Malaysia be economically sanctions should we choose not to abide by the resolution? Will peacekeepers be sent into the country to keep order and stop ethnic cleansing as alleged? Does this tantamount to the genocide claims that they made? Do you still think that they have done no wrong in this?

            C)3. APPEAL TO REFER MALAYSIA TO THE WORLD COURT AND INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT FOR CRIMES AGAINST IT’S OWN ETHNIC MINORITY INDIANS.

            Do you even agree with this charge? Do you agree that we should as matter of fact be referred to ICC for crimes against humanity?

            I’am keen to know what you and others, especially Hindraf supporters about this letter and charges being put forward by them. If this is the way to go for voicing concern, I dread to think what others would do next, minority or otherwise!

            1. re: “So in your opinion the pics provided enough to warrant menghina Yang Dipertuan Agong? Melampau tak?”

              No, I do not think so.

              The Hindraf 25 Nov 2007 rally got the Indians into the streets to protest their historical marginalization. The gimmick they used that got the attention of the world press was to saman the Queen of England.

              I do not see any reason why you want to drag our YDP into the picture when His Majesty was never brought into the photo frame by the Indians.

              1. Ayoyo Helen, itu orang sudah angkat Queen of England la. Banner Queen of England la kat Malaysia. Itu masih tidak menghina Yang Dipertuan Agong?

                Alangkah bagus kalau Hindraf bawa gambar Yang Dipertuan Agong untuk menyatakan sokongan tidak berbelah bagi dan mendapatkan perhatian tentang mereka sedang kena ethnic cleansing!

                Seriously, kau tak bawa ke Helen, itu banner apa tulis?

                How about the surat? Tak menghina Yang Dipertuan Agong lagi ka?

                Ayoyo, parawale…

                1. take a look at the pic again,

                  ‘The gimmick they used that got the attention of the world press was to saman the Queen of England.’

                  I don’t think so. How does carrying a banner that reads ‘Queen of England, The symbol of Justice, we still have hope on you’ is saying we wants to summon you?!

                  And what do they mean by saying, that the Queen of England is the symbol of Justice for which the have their hope on. Now remember they claim to be facing mini genocide in Malaysia.

                  Please take this into context too.‘COMMONWEALTH ETHNIC INDIAN PEACE LOVING SUBJECTS’. Subjects of who, again?

                  1. It’s historical.

                    India, Malaya, and other African countries were British colonies.

                    It was the British who brought the bulk of the Indian estate labour into this country.

                    We are still part of the Commonwealth. If you find it so objectionable that the Indians portrayed themselves as people of the Commonwealth, you should persuade Wisma Putra to withdraw Malaysia from the grouping.

                    1. Are we the subjects of the Queen of England, the symbol of Justice, they only have their hope on?

                      Come Helen, you can do better than that? Seriously?

                    2. They bodek the Queen saying that she is the “symbol of justice” (the picture, banner that you cite) because there is the Hindraf lawsuit (filed later) that sues the British crown for compensation.

                      Does the banner claim that the Indians (2007) in the protest are “subjects” of QE II? No, right?

                    3. ‘They bodek the Queen saying that she is the “symbol of justice” (the picture, banner that you cite) because there is the Hindraf lawsuit (filed later) that sues the British crown for compensation.’

                      And asking Brown to help at the same breath?

                      ^%@!*(@%&?!

                2. The lawsuit is directed at Queen E. The banner says they have hope of her as a “symbol of justice”.

                  I can see how the banner is connected to the lawsuit.

                  re: “Alangkah bagus kalau Hindraf bawa gambar Yang Dipertuan Agong”

                  If they did that, it would be twisted that they menghina the YDP by bringing his portrait into disrepute on the streets ke ape.

                  It was wise of Hindraf not to implicate the YDP in the demo (in the context of your objection to the QE II banner they carried).

                  1. They are asking the UN filed a serious motion. Maybe you should read the letter, if you have time.

                    They seriously couldn’t be asking the Queen to be implicated at the same time the asks Brown to help?

                    Ayoyo Helen?

            2. Re: “I’am keen to know what you and others, especially Hindraf supporters about this letter and charges being put forward by them. If this is the way to go for voicing concern, I dread to think what others would do next, minority or otherwise!”

              My views on Hindraf’s polemic is known on this forum. The short version. It was a plea to emotion polemic to get attention. There are some points I agree with and others that I don’t.

              Re: “If this is the way to go for voicing concern, I dread to think what others would do next, minority or otherwise!”

              You seem to think that this is an extreme example of voicing their concerns. There are numerous examples of the Malay majority community voicing their concerns in an extreme way. What exactly is your point ?

              Mind you the SOP of the PDRM seems to have changed which is why rallies are peaceful now (sic). If it was so during the Hindraf rally it would have been a whole different affair.

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