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Christians believe kalimah Allah is “Umno-manufactured controversy”

A Malaysiakini column by Dr KJ John today:

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Insular view on ‘Allah’?

By KJ John

  • 11:06AM Jul 23, 2013

This Arabic and pre-Islamic word used for some specific meanings of God as the Almighty, has arisen to become the centre of a “manufactured” inter-religious controversy in Malaysia.

In the entire Arab world, all Christians use the Allah word in defined specific contexts and it has a different meaning from the Malay word for ‘Tuhan’. In Indonesia, Christians also use the word Allah for God as well, and both Sabahan and Sarawakian bumiputera Christians have used the same word for God since about 100 years ago, based on their Indonesian translations of the word.

Only in Kampung Malaysia and under our ‘katak dibawah tempurung syndrome’ is this Arabic and pre-Islamic word a unique word and reserved only for Malay Muslims.  I suppose, in the future, maybe even Shiite Muslims cannot use the word because they are not considered “legitimate-enough Muslims” by the arguments of the so-called minister for the Muslim religion.

Of course we cannot also forget the Sikhs who have always used this word for their concept of God.

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KJ John with DAP leaders meet NECF

A manufactured controversy?

I am from Kedah, and grew up my early years singing our state anthem with the explicit use of the word ‘Allah’. Nobody objected and nobody cared. Even the royalty only reaped the benefits of the “blessing we prayed for them”. Even they did not either complain or protest. So, why is there the “sudden realisation and consciousness of this God-word?” And why the need to debate the accurate anthropomorphisation of this God-word?

This has never been an issue even in the Arab world, or even in the largest Muslim country in the world, Indonesia.

I believe that it is a “manufactured controversy” and it always plays its head in anticipation of the Umno general assembly. Suddenly, the new MB and son of a former prime minister whose family has shares in a Philippine beer company, becomes very bold and “declares the word ‘haram’” in Kedah; when the High Court has already given an explicit  decision on this matter and its use, and even if it is currently under appeal by the federal government.

Why is Mukhriz Mahathir suddenly bolder than even the former PAS menteri besar of Kedah?

All this is “an Umno-style manufactured controversy” to my mind, and it is part and parcel of the “wayang kulit” as a build up to the Umno AGM.  It is obvious that someone is going to challenge Najib Abdul Razak for the presidency. The ground is being clearly laid now.  Even Kuala Besut is being fought with the Umno AGM in mind; why else did Khairy Jamaluddin (KJ) warn that Najib is the ultimate loser if BN loses there?

For many years now, since the 1981 abuse of the judiciary, there has been a systematic but carefully crafted attempt to slowly but surely raise Islam’s stature in Malaysia, from a “states-only religion and Schedule II faith” to become “the official religion of the federation.”

Islam is not the official religion of this federation we call Malaysia. I was taught this by none other than the late Professor Ahmad Ibrahim and he always went to great lengths to explain why the drafters of the federal constitution did not use the word “official” but simply referred to it as the religion of the federation.

His reasons were as follows:

  • ‘Official’ would make it by law the religion of the whole federation, but Sabah and Sarawak had explicit agreements that Islam would not be enforced there with the same quality of priority as per the nine states of peninsular Malaya;
  • ‘Official’ would make other religions second class religions when they were already being preserved as legitimate faiths of practice and provided for under the federal constitution; and
  • There was never intent to make Islam the “formal and supreme religion of Malaysia” as if it would be in an Islamic state. The sultans of the nine states were heads of religion in those states.  There was always design intent to keep the nation-state as a multi-cultural, multi-ethnic, and multi-religious nation state, even after the formation of Malaysia. Moreover, the federal constitution is the supreme law of this nation-state.

CFM’s Press Release

Last Saturday, the Christian Federation of Malaysia (CFM) issued a press release which was a first of its kind, as far as I know.

The CFM encompasses all Christians in Malaysia.  Official figures state that there are only 9.1 percent Christians in Malaysia. My estimate is that there are about 10 percent, because many of the newer believers are usually undercounted.

Furthermore, if I am not mistaken, there are about 20 percent Christian representatives in Parliament; from all parties of the peoples’ of Malaysia. Therefore, maybe, Christians in Malaysia may have a larger punching power than what appears on the surface.

Therefore, I find it rather amusing that none of the mainstream papers carried the CFM’s press release of last Saturday. The statement had for its headlines, and carried these paragraphs:

Christians appalled by statements of MB and minister

The Christian community is appalled by the recent statements reportedly made by the mentri besar of Kedah and the minister of urban well-being, housing and local government on the issue of the use of the word ‘Allah’ in the Al-Kitab.

Both statements are untenable and in flagrant disregard of the 10-point solution decided by the federal cabinet in April 2011. These 10 points were specifically communicated to the Christian Federation of Malaysia in a letter dated April 11, 2011 from the prime minister himself. (The copy of the letter is attached).

The press release was signed by Rev Dr Eu Hong Seng, as chairperson, and for the executive committee of all CFM members.

Perkasa wants Rev Eu probed for sedition - Malaysiakini 2012-11-09 09-45-39
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/185086

So that this representative fact is not misunderstood, let me explicitly state that the federation of all Christian communities of Malaysia also includes all Catholics, all Protestants Churches, and all autonomous Evangelical Churches of Malaysia. In short, it represents all 10 percent of Christians of Malaysia.

Media and Ethics

The primary job of all media, I would have thought, is to report truth of matters. But, that none of the mainstream media reported this statement of CFM is very telling indeed. Actually, as far as I can see, all Internet media did carry the statement, and some mainstream media did so only in their Internet medium for the Sunday edition, but not in their printed version. Whither media ethics in Malaysia today?

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70 thoughts on “Christians believe kalimah Allah is “Umno-manufactured controversy”

  1. These people beginning to act like Muslims who blame the Jews and Amerika for all ills in the world.

    Seriously if you want to use Allah as your God, worship Him as what He has commanded by not menyekutukan Dia.

    1. Methinks some readers have made a good suggestion that if they seriously want to use the kalimah Allah, they should masuk Islam.

      1. Agreed Helen.

        To use kalimah Allah is to perform the 2 Kalimah Syahadah and become a practising Muslim.

        These kalimah Allah issue and also your revelation of The paper called Malay Mail (hadn’t we had a paper by that name already?) will be fully utilised as DAP’s most potent vehicle gearing up for GE14

        Muslim especially dim wit PAS….be wary..your partnership with DAP is the gateway to attack Islam

    2. ‘These people beginning to act like Muslims who blame the Jews and Amerika for all ills in the world.’

      They are surely better than you for they know that Judeo-Christian Zionist is not a myth. It is clearly states in the Al Quran too in Surah Al Baqarah verse 120:

      Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion. Say: “The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance.” Wert thou to follow their desires after the knowledge which hath reached thee, then wouldst thou find neither Protector nor helper against Allah.

      At least the Muslims admitted that they are in fact Muslim. So are you a Muslim?

      Heck, you can’t even decide whether to be Tooyid or Zack most of the time.

      Kau ni Melayu ke?

  2. When the 10 point agreement was first negotiated and it seemed like a done bi partisan deal, the Youth branch of the CFM kicked up a fuss.

    Most recently in the MalaysianInsider op-ed piece, they claimed that the 10 point agreement was lacking. Now the CFM wants the Establishment to honour that deal. What a load of BS.

    As I said to me this issue is one of freedom of expression and if you cannot defend it on that ground don’t make shit up to justify your position.

    KJ John is the mouthpiece of the greater Christian movement made up of the mainstream denominations and of course the Evangelists (who make up the evangelical wing of the DAP) .

    Again as I said all this is propaganda effort to shape the religious discourse and subvert cultural/linguistic norms. If UMNO had not all these years made a mess of things when it came to the Arabization process, then these religious charlatans would not have a leg to stand on.

    As it is they are being propped up by anyone who bears a grudge against UMNO, real or imagined.

  3. Yes, yes, just blame UMNO and those katak bawah tempurung kampung Malays, Lim Guan Eng and the pro DAP Christian churches are totally not responsible one bit for blowing up the controversy.

  4. If these clowns really want to use “Allah” for good, kindly revise all Bible versions, the one in English, Chinese, Tamil, which currently refer to “God” with whatever bulshits, replace them all with “Allah”.
    Why target only Malay bibles? these clowns think they can fool the Malays

    1. I guess we’re back to that “Kempen cinta bahasa kebangsaan.” They are so into using Bahasa Melayu in their speech, in their writings – I mean just listen to them in Parliament. That’s why the fight for Malay bibles and in particular the word Allah. I can just picture these Dapsters sitting at airport lounges, LRTs, trains, buses reading copies of AlKitab – Berita Baik. NOT.

      You know, we Muslims can recite at least one verse of the Quran in Arabic from memory. I would like them to recite one verse from the Malay Bible from memory. If we poll all the 9% Christians, how many do you think will say they own a Malay bible.

  5. I believe it is due to political consideration that allow Sabah and Sarawak use Allah in their Bible.

    To be fair, yes the Arabs of the jahiliyah time indeed worshipped Allah along with other idols. And this was the reason Muhammad was sent to them. To correct their religious view that there is no God but Allah and Allah should not be equated with other false gods. Allah has said this so many times in the Quran that if you ask them who is their God they will reply Allah.

    But that does not mean that Allah allows this to happen. If Allah recognizes all religions as equal Muhammad would not say Islam is the only religion.

    1. Unless they’ve changed it, a verse of Ibu Pertiwiku, the Sarawak state anthem goes like this;

      “Sarawak dalam Malaysia
      Aman makmur rahmat Tuhan Maha Esa”

      Oooh the irony….

      1. The first line of the Penang state anthem goes:

        “Selamat Tuhan kurniakan, selamat Pulau Pinang,

        “Negeriku yang mulia …”

        1. Ku taat dan setia

          Aman dan bahagia…geez what has we become?

          As for Allah and Islam:

          Below are related verses from Qur’an:

          “Indeed, the religion in the sight of Allah is Islam. The People of Book drew apart since they committed excesses against one another after this knowledge had come to them. And whoever ignores the signs of Allah and becomes a concealer, Allah is swift in reckoning him.

          So if they argue with you, say, “I have submitted myself to Allah, and [so have] those who follow me.” And ask the People of the Book as well as those who follow no heavenly Scripture: “Have you also submitted yourselves?” And if they submit, they are rightly guided; but if they turn away – then your duty is merely to deliver the message. Allah is The All Seeing of his servants.

          Give those concealers who ignore the signs of Allah, who kill the prophets without right and kill those who enjoin justice from among the people, give them tidings of a grievous chastisement.

          They are those whose deeds will go to waste in this world and in the Hereafter, and for them there will be no helpers.“ (Al-e-Imran/ Family of Imran 3:19-22)

          1. Spot on Islam1st.

            Regarding states anthem that have Allah’s name in it, it’s always in the context of the Ruler’s faith not his subjects. By singing Allah’s name in it, the king’s subjects declare that they are subjected not only to the laws of the state but recognizing Islam as the religion of the state. It’s foolish to interpret the anthem as giving them the legitimate right to call their Gods Allah.

            The issue only proves us one thing. Christians don’t know the actual name of their God or Gods or G-d or whatever lah..

            Imagine a son whom claim to love his father without even knowing his father actual name? Paradoxically, Christians claim that they will be saved by grace alone by accepting Jesus (PBUH) as their saviour. But until today, they have the slightest idea of what to call their saviour in their liturgies and prayers. Is it Yahwah, or Yahweh, or YHWH, or IOUO, or HANA, or PORA, or BILA, or ABAG, or OBRA, or ELLA, or ELI, or GENA, or SELA, or ZEYT, or KALO, or HOBA, or PIRV, or ABDA, or Allah, or DEWATA MULIA RAYA, or TVRA, or ORSI, or SHANG DI/SHANGTI, or whatever?

            The church compartmentalizes the Christians within their mother tongue block. By compartmentalizing them, the church brilliantly avoid the Tetragrammaton headache from resurfacing. Imagine, to explain the Trintiy mindboggling concept is an already uphill task that beffudled even the Christians Theologian, what more to explain a God or Gods or G-d or whatever they call Him or Them, having names like a chameleon which could change colours?

            Unlike Muslims all over the world, regardless in what tongue they speak their language, Allah remains solely the name that they refer to when it comes to God’s name. Their article of faith is sound and clear. Their God is AHAD (One). Just like Jesus (PBUH) explained to one of the scribes when he questioned him about the greatest commandment. A story narated in Mark chapter 12 verse 28 – 29.

            Mark 12 verse 28 to 29
            28 uAnd one of the scribes came up and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, asked him, “Which commandment is the most important of all?” 29 Jesus (PBUH) answered, “The most important is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.

            Jesus (PBUH) was quoting Deuteronomy Chapter 6 verse 4. In plain English, we’ll never notice the resemblance of the greatest commandment which crosses the Torah, Injil and the Qur’an.

            Deuteronomy Chapter 6 verse 4 in Hebrew, Hebrew Transliteration and Translation as below:

            שְׁמַע, יִשְׂרָאֵל: יְהוָה אֱלֹהֵינוּ, יְהוָה אֶחָד.
            Shema Yisrael, Yahuwa Eloheinu Yahuwa Ehad
            (Listen O Israel, Yahuwa your God, He is One).

            Now compares it to al Ikhlas (al Qur’an Chapter 112 verse 1) in Arabic, Arabic Transliteration and translation below:

            قُلۡ هُوَ اللّٰہُ اَحَدٌ
            Qul Huwallahu Ahad (Say, Allah is One)
            Asbabun Nuzul (the background story or occasions/circumstances that surround the revealed Quranic verse) for surah al Ikhlas, is exactly the same as what happened to Jesus (PBUH) in Mark 12 verse 28. A group of Jewish Scribes asked prophet Muhammad (PBUH) a question about Allah. Al Ikhlas is a smiting answer for them for being hypocrites.

            If all this while, they’ve been parroting Moses (PBUH)by continuously saying ‘Shema Yisrael…” as their article of faith, and then mocking Jesus with the same verse, which translates as “Listen O Israel..”, during Muhammad’s time, Allah smites them with an ultimatum. No more Shema ( שְׁמַע – Listen) but Qul (قُلۡ – Proclaim!).

            When Moses God revealed Deuteronomy chapter 6 verse 4-5 to the Israelites 3,000 years ago, it never meant that they should parroting it but proclaim it with all their heart. Muhammad has restored the original intention of verse 1400 years ago, but sadly we still have person like KK John Ah Beng trying hard to show to the world how Christians are deeply dipped into their own making quagmire of confusions. With his foreskin maybe intact and Trinity spells One to him and his ilk, how could he expect he be saved when Jesus (pbuh) himself said to the scribes that the only way to the Kingdom of God is by believing that there is only One God and there is no other but Him. Just like the way Muslim’s proclaim their syahadah, ‘There is no God but Allah…’

            I paste Mark 12 verse 28 to 34 & Genesis (Bereishit) Chapter 7 verse 9 to 14 below in case KK John Ah Beng forgets there are such things in his Bible.

            Mark 12verse 28 to 34
            28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”
            29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.[e] 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’[f] 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[g] There is no commandment greater than these.”
            32 “Well said, teacher,” the man replied. “You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him. 33 To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.”
            34 When Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And from then on no one dared ask him any more questions.

            Genesis 7 verse 9 o 14..:

            9 Then God said to Abraham, “As for you, you must keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you for the generations to come. 10 This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you. 12 For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner—those who are not your offspring. 13 Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh is to be an everlasting covenant. 14 Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.”
            If U don’t circumcise, u’ll be cut off from His people… Jesus circumcised too (Luke 2 verse 21) and he observe Sabbath.

            & for ur info, Jesus (pbuh) circumcised too (Luke 2:21)

            Bye.. Metatron Out.

            1. re: “a God or Gods or G-d or whatever they call Him or Them, having names like a chameleon which could change colours?”

              Metatron, it seems you have found the explanation for the evangelista behaviour of wearing tudung and berbuka puasa.

              Thanks. Hope you don’t mind if I use your idea in my next writings.

              1. Helen,

                As the saying goes in BM,

                “Kecil tapak tangan, nyiru kami tadahkan.”

                If it’s for a fight against those chameleons, I’m more than honoured. TQ.

                  1. Helen, better be careful with that reptile u’re dealing with.

                    Iguana Eng is a known poisonous species of Fascist Evangelist.

  6. stupid KJ John, i dont need to parrot what UMNO nor PAS said and stand regarding the kalimah Allah issue. it is just natural as a muslim that this Allah that you’re referring to has different attributes than the ones that muslim worship and thus this was what cause outrage among the islamic community in Malaysia.

    1. He is just doing his best to keep the hate narratives flowing. In the semangat of PR, PAS was spared, although the Majlis Syura had supported the calls to ban Allah usage in the BM bible.

      Blaming UMNO is easy. These group of people simply do not know how to do it otherwise. I pity them!

  7. The Kalimah Allah, the Sulu Invasion, the Ink fiasco, the throwing out window of Teo Beng Hock, The Kugan detainee death, the Formula One Grand Prix Pirelli tyres fiasco, the Korean Asiana Boeing 777 landing sprat, the Chinese lady stuck in the wall, the Kate Middleton baby boy (they wanted a girl remember?) and all were all UMNO conspiracy and devious plans

    In fact up on I don’t remember which floor at UMNO HQ, linked by super computer to Putrajaya there is a group of like 50 Malay and almost Malay nerds who plan and conspire all these conspiracies. They hatched plans and execute by way of latest gadgets to make sure all the conspiracy plans are executed to the very precision and details

    To Zairil Khir Johari the “Malay” DAP MP, plse also note your late “father’ was the first director of this Conspiracy unit.

    You don’t know. Your “mum” Christine may not also be aware about this. […]

    1. And some guy in this blog even says that the ones who were arrested for kidnapping and assaulting Mun Tatt are UMNO batmen.

      Not just one batman, batmen.

      Don’t know where the robins are.

  8. Here is a another example of blaming Umno when everythings going out of control to them. To appease the Malay these people will write everythings to justify it. So, as always, they will put the blame on UMNO UMNO and UMNO and their herd will nodding up and down agreeing on it. Then like a parrot they will repeat it again and again and again to make it true. So, LGE name will lost in translation on who started it.

    :D sarah

  9. why this KJ John susah payah, telling all this – the whole world knew its UMNO conspiracy. alvivi also conspired by UMNO. they were paid by UMNO to insult muslim, so that UMNO can later fires all non-muslim in Malaysia.

    KJ John – KJ John… tell lah something else. so cliché and predictable….

  10. Does anyone want to protect the rights of Athiest?

    The MM is bitching over the TITAS. They want TITASTAY.
    Tamadun Islam, Tamadun Asia dan Tamadun Yahudi.

    Athiest parents should ask for a refund.

    http://www.themalaymailonline.com/what-you-think/article/reform-titas-to-ensure-fair-and-balanced-teaching-of-civilisation-studies-l

    What You Think

    Reform TITAS to ensure fair and balanced teaching of civilisation studies

    – Lim Teck Ghee and Din Merican

    JULY 23 — We owe a debt of gratitude to Pandan MP Rafizi Ramli and other supporters of the proposed Islamic and Asian Civilisation Studies (TITAS) course for opening the Pandora’s box on the educational value and desirability of this officially decreed course previously imposed on public universities and now planned to be extended to private universities.

    For now, there has been nothing offered by way of justification or in defence of the course design by the Deputy Prime Minister and Education Minister Muhyiddin Yassin and his subordinate, Higher Education Department director-general Morshidi Sirat, to allay the concern that the introduction of the course is politically motivated to serve the ruling government’s agenda, and not the interest of our young.

    We should have no illusions that even with the spotlight of public criticism strongly on it, the authorities will not continue with the planned enforcement of the course. The political stakes are too high for the minister of education, soon contesting the Umno elections, to do an about-turn.

    Recognising that it is well-nigh impossible to expect the authorities to withdraw its proposal, we urge Rafizi and others in favour of the course to support the following measures to ensure that TITAS does not become another platform to load our young with politically, racially or religiously skewed knowledge. A narrowly conceived, ethnocentric and politically biased TITAS is counter-productive in a world characterised by diversity and pluralism and in our homeland which is one of the major cultural and civilisation crossroads of Asia.

    If indeed the intention is noble and aimed at instilling cross cultural learning and appreciation of the major civilisations of the region among all students, Malays and non-Malays, surely no one in their right mind will object to the safeguards below to ensure that this intention is achieved and not subverted.

    Proposals for reforming TITAS and ensuring transparency and public accountability in its implementation

    1. Make the course an optional and not a compulsory one in both public and private universities

    2. Post the present content of the required course on a website that is accessible to the public and request for feedback on it. This should include any compulsory textbook requirements and other special conditions imposed by the ministry

    3. Do away with the system of ministry-ordained recommended or required texts written by half baked or officially-sanctioned academics in favour of one which allows the use of diverse authoritative texts

    4. Permit the use of English as a medium of instruction for the course in both public and private universities to encourage exposure to the rich corpus of English-language material. The insistence on Malay as the language of instruction in private institutions is unreasonable as students should be allowed to study in the language that they are most conversant with, especially on what is held up to be such a critical subject. Also the ministry is not defraying the costs of the course and has no right to impose such a condition.

    5. Appoint a team of independent education experts to undertake an open review of the current course content and teaching methods

    6. Introduce changes to ensure that what is being taught is inclusive of all civilisations — great and little. The pre-Islamic civilisation of Malaysia including that stemming from our Orang Asli and Orang Asal heritage which has been marginalised in our educational system needs to be given a special place

    7. Since Islam had its origin as a religion in the Middle East, its inclusion in the course on Asian civilisations needs to be justified.

    8. Strive to have multi-racial and multi-religious teams of lecturers and instructors to conduct the course. This will be the best check against racial or religious bias in any form and help to ensure inter-racial understanding and academic balance.

    We emphasise that our fears of the course being hijacked by prejudiced and opportunistic politicians and bureaucrats as well as partisan lecturers are real and not imaginary. We have seen this happen time and again with various compulsory courses run by the government agencies and in the schooling system.

    Besides what we have proposed above, key stakeholders such as the vice-chancellors of public and private universities must use their positions and authority to carve out autonomous positions. They must honour their mission of providing relevant and quality education by ensuring that any ministry-required compulsory course is free from political interference and political bias, and has primarily or purely educational and intellectual reasons to account for their inclusion in the university curriculum.

    Vice-chancellors of private universities in particular should not take the easy way out or pander to the dictates of the authorities on TITAS just so their teaching licences are easily renewed, and other government-required approvals are expedited. Their students are paying hard-earned money to receive a non-state sponsored education. They are entitled to a TITAS course that is balanced and free from the blinkers and bias shackling the national educational system.

    Finally, to ensure that TITAS and other ministry-imposed courses lead to the opening and blossoming rather than closing of young minds, we need transparency, accountability and a vigilant public. We cannot expect it from the Ministry of Education or from politicians who may have been lulled into false optimism based on their educational experiences abroad.

    * This is the personal opinion of the writer or publication and does not necessarily represent the views of The Malay Mail Online.

  11. When did the controversy start? Based on what I have read, the Christians in Sabah and Sarawak have been using ‘Allah’ certainly before this issue became a hot potato for both sides.

    1. AC-DC,

      It started when Guan Eng insisted that Christians be allowed to use “Allah”.

      Funny, is it not? I asked all my Christian friends who they “sembah”? All of them said “Jesus”. None answered “Allah”.

      Again, I asked please show me the word “allah” in the Bible, in new or King James version. They said there is no such word in Bible.

      If Chinese insist that they must have separate school as if they will die without it, cant they see the same logic. That Muslim must have the exclusivity on the name “Allah”.

      If someone said “allah” is freely used in Indonesia among Christian, may I also say that in Indonesia, there is no vernacular schools.

      I try to explain as much as i could. All of my chinese friends are surprise when i told them that the issue was not created by UMNO. It is not a political or linguistic issue. The issue touches the very core of Islam.

      In other words, it affects the very foundation of islam. sharing the name will “NATURALLY” leads to “sharing of faiths”.

      Muslim worships Allah, the God. As mentioned in AlQuran, Allah is the God, not given birth by someone and in turn never gives birth to anyone. And he is “incomparable” to ANYTHING human mind can imagine.

      Christian worships Jesus. In islam, Jesus is a mere prophet, reverred but not worshipped. Just like prophet Muhammad SAW. He is idolized, reverred BUT NOT WORSHIPPED.

      The word “Ahad” literally means Sunday is Arabic for “one and One ONLY”. The word emphasizes that there is only one GOD As per Muslim belief.

      No amount of explanation is sufficient if christians refuse to see that Guan Eng simply manipulate the sentiments.

      As for Muslims, they are already warned in the quran that “Christians and Jews” will not be satisfied until Muslims “follow” their way.

      And for any Malay parties fishing for Malay votes, it is very imperative they must show principle here. Indecisive attitude can cost votes.

      It already cost PAS a state, Kedah falling to UMNO as it(PAS) is deemed “insincere” in defending the sanctity of Islam.

      1. ‘No amount of explanation is sufficient if christians refuse to see that Guan Eng simply manipulate the sentiments.’

        I subscribe to this. This is very much the issue here. I felt the simply won’t want to understand it. Maybe some are genuinely being misinformed like what you have demonstrated. As for me, by hijacking UMNO into all of this is never going to help us resolve the issue.

        Again nobody’s wants to blame Parkiam in his doing, putting us all in this mess, despite no one is complaining about the usage in some part of Sabah and Sarawak. No one is even complaining when law breaking irresponsible people smuggling the Indon bible into the country. How does UMNO with sizable Christian ahli would want to put themselves into this extremely complex and extremely sensitive issues? Bodo isn’t it?

        Both UMNO or PAS has come to understand that the concern among the Malays/Muslims from both of the divides are genuine. If the grass root doesn’t care. UMNO simply won’t bother. Remember UMNO is less Islami than PAS (although now, for me, PAS with their flip flop overtly extreme fatwas, has almost been a gone case). If the grass root does not care, PAS won’t have lost Kedah to UMNO.

    1. I would be upset too if my children are made to have their recess meals in of all places… the school toilet.

      1. Eh. Today Gurney Paragon is open. The toilets are so clean. We can ta pao Chick Kut Teh and eat there.

        Sometimes the Indon workers eat in the toilet.

        1. It is not a toilet but a changing room and Malaysiakini is adding spices and rempah ratus to the story. From what I read the place has been used since March by Muslim students as well to eat.

          1. re: “the place has been used since March by Muslim students as well to eat”

            Why?

                  1. Of course the Muslims student and their parents understood the situations the school was in.

                    The non Muslims on the other hand had the typical anti establishment media to thanks to. UMNO bullies are so sneaky!

          2. It has sinks, a shower, bathroom tiles, and most likely, a toilet.

            There are far more appropriate places they can use for students to have their meals.

        2. You go ahead and eat where you shit.

          I once saw an Indonesian worker wash his hands in the urinal. Nothing wrong with that, right?

      2. Sometimes, people become totally irrational in carrying out their duties. Somebody should suggest that the canteen be closed to Muslim students only and placed a Muslim teacher to monitor the area. Which is what the school in my small town does. Apa pasal lah nak cari pasal?

      3. AC-DC,

        Check your facts first. The pupils do not eat in school toilet in this particular case. and it involves students, not just non Muslim students.

  12. It is a case of bad management. I will not defend the school admin. But I loath at people who turn this episode into a racial issue like the indian students forced to eat in changing room. May be the intention of the school admin so that other students will not see them eating.

    Since the place already used to eat before Ramadan so they eat there while the canteen is closed. If you read the original article in english, one of the indian parents who took the pictures claimed it was filthy toilet while that is not true.

    1. The Malaysiakini article quoted the parent as saying the changing room is next door to the toilet and smelly and full of bacteria.

  13. Helen, pernah saya tujukan soalan ini no replies from anyone and am still very curious. (Sama juga tiada jawapan minta senaraikan produk dn restoran selling “HALAL” Bak Kut Teh – so much noise yet noone gave not even one name, why are they so reluctant to disclose here?)

    Many Chinese, maybe some Indians still cannot read, write or understand our National Language, so will the Churches in Semenanjung be conducting their surmons or read their Bibles in Bahasa Kebangsaan?

    Question; If they print bibles in Tamil for the use of the Indian Christians here are they going to use the name of the Indian god like Krishna or Vishnu? And for the Chinese Christians, YU-HUANG?

    1. i suppose most that have a little knowledge of taoism know who is yu huang or yu huang da di. it is therefore insensible to use the name who most taoist could image. the chinese translation for god is shang ti, the chinese translation for allah is zhen zu. both also mean god or deity in ancient time. no wonder there are many christian and muslim in china.

      1. So Chinese translated Bible they will be using – yu-huang or shang ti or zhen zu? Which exactly?

        What about in Tamil translated Bible, anyone please?

      2. I agree with you. So you must be in agreement with us, Malaysian Muslims that thinks ‘most that have a little knowledge of’ Islam, does not ‘know who is Allah or Allah the One and Only True God. ‘It is therefore insensible’ for them ‘to use the name as most’ Malaysian Muslims ‘could image’.

        Thus the reservations on Allah, the One and Only True God to be included in the Bible and be mixed up with the Trinity complex.

        This is blasphemous for all of us. But I don’t expect the non believers to understand any of this too.

    2. Re: “Question; If they print bibles in Tamil for the use of the Indian Christians here are they going to use the name of the Indian god like Krishna or Vishnu? And for the Chinese Christians, YU-HUANG?

      I’m not up to date on my contemporary religious philosophy but isn’t Jesus an avatar of Krishna ?

          1. Yeah, but I maybe mistaken but this distinction (gods/prophets) as far as Hindus are concerned is pretty flexible, right ? Again, its been ages since I relied on religious philosophies to hold a discussion.

  14. Wrt to “manufactured controversy”, all controversies are manufactured. The big question is, who gains to benefit and who gains to lose.

  15. The Arab Christians are of Orthodox group as opposed to the western group such Roman Catholic, Lutheran, Prostestants etc. Only the Arab christian orthodox use the kalimah “Allah”. The Christians in Malaysia aren’t eastern Orthodox.

    1. Yup they sure don’t seem like it. But these people now want’s to be the very ARAB that they despises on, for which the Malays, according to them la, wants to be!
      God willing the table has been turned. Their hypocrisy is very telling!

  16. Its very funny to think, for someone who is saying that Allah is not foreign in its usage among non-Muslim Malaysians, must be quoting incidents as far and wide as the Middle East, India and Indonesia, just to validate his point. All are foreign to this land. It must not be not foreign to the Malaysians context.

    The fact that Allah is of arabic origin is already a statement in the right direction that Tuhan should be used for God in Bahasa Melayu bible.

    As for Allah in the Kedah’s state anthem, the writer probably should be reading Undang-Undang Kedah to understand it better. Should he really wants to lah, you know, him being from Kedah and all, I’m sure he can get his hand on this too.

    Anyway here is a list of lyrics for all non-Negeri-Negeri Selat state anthems for us to scrutinise:

    Kedah

    Allah Selamat Sultan Mahkota
    Berpanjangan Usia Di Atas Takhta
    Memelihara Agama Nabi Kita
    Negeri Kedah Serata-rata

    Perak

    Dilanjutkan Allah Usianya Sultan
    Adil dan Murah Memerintah Watan
    Ditaati Rakyat Kiri dan Kanan
    Iman Yang Soleh Allah Kurniakan
    Allah Berkati Perak Ridzuan
    Allah Selamatkan Negeri dan Sultan

    Selangor

    Duli Yang Maha Mulia
    Selamat diatas taktha
    Allah lanjutkan usia Tuanku
    Rakyat mohon restu
    Bawah duli Tuanku
    Bahagia selama-lamanya
    Aman dan sentosa
    Duli Yang Maha Mulia

    Negeri Sembilan

    Berkatlah Yang Dipertuan Besar Negeri Sembilan
    Kurniai sihat dan makmur
    Kasihi rakyat lanjutkan umur
    Akan berkati sekalian yang sedia
    Musuhnya habis binasa
    Berkatlah Yang Dipertuan Besar Negeri Sembilan

    Pahang

    Ya Allah yang Maha Kuasa
    Lanjutkan usia Duli Yang Maha Mulia
    Dirgahayu Darul Makmur
    Aman dan bahagia sentiasa abadi
    Ya Allah selamatkan kebawah Duli
    Raja kami

    Kelantan

    Selamat Sultan Kelantan Darul Naim
    Lanjutkan usia Sultan kami
    Sultan Kelantan Raja ikrami
    Aman sentosa Tuhan sirami
    Berkekalan masa memerintah kami
    Kasih dan taat disembahkan
    Sepenuh keriangan patek ucapkan
    Segala kebesaran Allah cucurkan
    Darjah kemuliaan Allah tambahkan

    Terengganu

    Allah daulatkan Tuanku Sultan
    Terengganu Darul Iman
    Allah peliharakan Tuanku Sultan
    Sejahtera sepanjang zaman
    Allah rahmatkan Tuanku Sultan
    Memerintah rakyat aman

    Almost all except for Negeri Sembilan has Allah in its ‘doa’. Maybe one wants to read about the relationship of these states, but not limited to, with Empayar Turki Uthmaniah,

    Now lets take a look at the Negeri-Negeri Selat

    Pulau Pinang

    Selamat Tuhan kurniakan
    Selamat Pulau Pinang
    Negeri ku yang mulia
    Ku taat dan setia
    Aman dan bahagia

    Majulah jayalah
    Negeri ku yang ku cinta
    Bersatu dan bersama
    Untuk negeri kita

    Melaka

    Melaka Negeri Bersejarah
    Tempat Tumpah Darah Kita
    Dijunjung Dengan Sepenuh Jiwa
    Untuk Maju Dan Jaya
    Rakyat Melaka Sudah Bersatu Padu
    Berikrar Taat Setia
    Jujur Berkhidmat Setiap Masa
    Melaka Maju Jaya

    Singapura

    Mari kita rakyat Singapura
    Sama-sama menuju bahagia
    Cita-cita kita yang mulia
    Berjaya Singapura

    Marilah kita bersatu
    Dengan semangat yang baru
    Semua kita berseru
    Majulah Singapura
    Majulah Singapura!

    Pulau Pinang, Melaka and Singapura does not have Allah in its lagu. Perhaps being put under British governor and residences had left it mark. Was it a calculative move on the British to make the state anthem to be less Islamic than it normally would, one can only ponder?

    Now lets take a look Sarawak and Sabah state anthems. Would it be similar to the non Negeri-Negeri Selat or not?

    Sabah

    Sabah tanahair ku
    Negeri kita yang tercinta
    Pemuda pemudi
    semua marilah
    bangunlah bersatu semua
    Marilah bersama serta ma
    ju jaya
    Merdeka sepanjang masa
    Bersatu segala bangsa sentosa
    Sabah negeri merdeka

    Sarawak

    Sarawak Tanah Air Ku
    Negeri Ku Tanah Air Ku Sarawak
    Engkaulah Tanah Pusaka Ku
    Tanah Tumpah Darah Ku
    Ibu Pertiwi Ku

    Rakyat Hidup Mesra Dan Bahagia
    Damai Muhibbah Sentiasa
    Bersatu Berusaha Berbakti
    Untuk Sarawak Ku Cintai

    Sarawak Dalam Malaysia
    Aman Makmur Rahmat Tuhan Maha Esa
    Kekallah Sarawak Bertuah
    Teras Perjuangan Rakyat
    Berjaya Berdaulat

    It seems that Sabah and Sarawak shares more similarity in its state anthem’s characteristic with the Negeri-Negeri Selat when it comes to discounting Allah into its lyrics as opposes to non Negeri-Negeri Selat or more or less what can we term as the Malay heartland with Sultan as the head of state.

    Muslim Sultan would want nothing but well wishes (doa) by the rakyat. The Sultan prays to Allah, One True God and the rakyat would pray to Allah, One True God, to ask for the Sultan and the state well being. This is understandable. The rest does not have a Sultan and being govern either by a Christian governor, residences or white rajas. Thus the need not to include Allah into the ‘doa’?

    It is interesting to note that Pulau Pinang State Anthem English translation would have Tuhan be replaced with God and not Allah.The wikipedia would state that James W Boyle mengarang sepenuhnya lagu negeri. It means that the serani Jimmy Boyle had not only composed the song but also wrote the lyric of the song too. Read more here:

    http://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagu_Negeri_Pulau_Pinang

    This is just my take. Others are open to keep adding to enlighten us all. Perhaps I need more time to study on this. So additional info or corrections would be helpful.

    On media and ethics as highlighted by the writer, the probelm is nothing new. Media blankets over certain issues are working well from both of the divides. Both pro establishment and anti establishment are guilty of this crimes. Coming from MalaysiaKini, he should have known better.

    So somebody please tell this writer not to play luncai! Even budak kampung are not so lurus bendul!

    1. Negeri Sembilan berbeza kerana adat pepatih telah menentukan bahawa Yang DiPertuan Besar dipilih oleh Penghulu yang mewakili suku-suku utama.

      :D sarah

  17. Good discourse and conversation; let us all learn to listen to all sides of the views, opinions and feelings! All we say does not change who GOD is! GOD is always GOD! – Mr KJ John

    The question is, who does Mr. KJ John think GOD is ?

  18. For the non muslim,

    1. Do you believe in One God, The Only God that mentioned in Al Quran by the name of Allah?

    2. What is syahadah? In this declaration, you must say and obey fully in your heart that there is no other god except Allah SWT and the last prophet Muhammad Pbuh?

    3. This is the most important phrase in Islam that qualify you to use Allah as your God. It’s not Malay rule or UMNO rule or even other muslim in the world. It comes from Allah and clearly mentioned in Al Quran, the Muslim Kitab( Kitabullah-Kitab Allah). This Kitab belongs to Allah SWT.

    4. The fact is non muslim fail to acknowledge the Prophet Muhammad Pbuh. All sorts of condemnation and vulgar words thrown to him. With this very bad manner, unshamefully that you non muslim especially christians have the right to use kalimah Allah? You just cannot separate the existense of Muhammad Pbuh and at the same time seek refuge from Allah SWT.

    5. If you care to go further, please refer to Surah Al Ikhlas in Quran. Look and digest the meaning or even refer to Muslim Ulamaks. Never refer to fake one who like to bullshitblogging(my word). You may get stupid answers!

    6. Lately the sudden gust of christians community to own rights for the kalimah Allah. Bibles in B.Melayu. What’s the agenda? Who wants to read bible in B.Melayu since all the while you people speak in English? Indonesia is different and please do not compare with the Malays in Malaysia.

    For the good sake, let it be like before. We live in good communities that will not harm each other. Put politics aside, PLEASE !!!

  19. Saya setuju pandangan Helan.
    Ini semua kerana TOK GURU ajar UMAT PAS supaya menganggap ISLAM ITU EMAK BAPAK org pas yg buat.

    Sebagai bukti,
    Salah satu rukun WAJIB adalah TAAT GILA kpd perintah & kemahuan DAP.

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