Dalam rencananya bertajuk ‘Sikap ultra kiasu isu makan di bilik persalinan‘ (Berita Harian, 29 Julai 2013), Prof Madya Ridhuan Tee menulis:
“Saya selalu menginap di hotel. Adalah perkara biasa di bilik persalinan diletakkan sinki untuk sesiapa saja makan dan minum di situ. Lebih teruk lagi bilik persalinan tidak diasing dengan tandas. Tandas berada bersama bilik persalinan. Adakah salah? Adakah tidak ada bau tandas? Kenapa tidak diprotes semua hotel yang berbuat demikian?” […]
Petua-petua di bawah dipetik daripada rencana nukilan ketua program (Program Kenegaraan, Kepimpinan dan Ketamadunan) Fakulti Pengajian dan Pengurusan Pertahanan, Universiti Pertahanan Nasional Malaysia itu.
budak-budak kecil perempuan ini tidak merokok (dalam tandas yang dikatakan satu tabiat lumrah).
Sambung Ridhuan Tee lagi:
“PIBG sepatutnya tampil ke hadapan membela atau mempertahankan keputusan itu. Bukan hanya diam membisu setelah diasak oleh ultra kiasu.”
Seri Pristana sebuah sekolah baru
Sekolah Kebangsaan Seri Pristana mempunyai kemudahan dua bilik persalinan, dua bilik mesyuarat, dua makmal sains, makmal komputer, bengkel Kemahiran Hidup, bilik sumber, bilik buku teks, Bilik P&P (Pengajaran dan Pembelajaran), bilik muzik, bilik Pandang-Dengar, bilik Self Assess Learning, bilik seni, bilik sakit, bilik pemulihan, bilik kesihatan gigi, bilik pendidikan khas (untuk budak-budak yang mempunyai “keperluan khas”), bilik kaunseling, bilik pengawas, bilik keselamatan, bilik stor dan pantri, antara lainnya.
Saiz sesebuah bilik darjah di Sek. Keb. Seri Pristana adalah begitu luas sekali, iaitu melebihi 700 kaki persegi.
Cuba tengok gambar SK Seri Pristana (bawah).
Mutu, gaya, keunggulan
Taraf seni bina SK Seri Pristana lebih kurang sama tinggi tahapnya dengan sekolah Putrajaya (gambar bawah).
Bermakna kedua-duanya adalah sekolah baru yang luas, lapang dan canggih.
Kesian pihak JKR (Jabatan Kerja Raya).
Juru bina JKR sekarang ini dituduh pula sebagai tidak pandai merancang pelan bangunan SK Seri Perdana sehinggakan kantin telah dibuatnya “terlalu kecil” dan tidak mampu menampung kesemua budak-budak sekolah itu.
(Nota: Kompleks bangunan SK Seri Pristana boleh menampung seramai 1,440 murid sementara jumlah murid (enrolment) yang didaftarkan di SK Seri Pristana adalah seramai hanya 1,375 orang.)
Masalahnya JKR sebelum itu telah menggaji seorang arkitek yang mesti kurang mahir, konon, kerana boleh membuat design kantin “terlalu kecil”.
Dan bukannya nak cakap tak cukup ruang pula itu, memandangkan Seri Pristana mempunyai begitu banyak tanah lapang untuk memuatkan bilik-bilik kemudahan yang disenarai panjang di atas.
Bayangkan, kalau kantin terlalu kecil kenapa pihak sekolah tidak memaklumkan kepada Kementerian pada bulan Mac ataupun bulan April, bulan Mei, bulan Jun sampailah bulan Julai?
Kenapa dilengahkan perkara ini yang seharusnya segera diberitahu kepada Kementerian Pelajaran agar tindakan yang sewajarnya (misal kata permohonan dana untuk memperluaskan tapak kantin) boleh diambil?
Guru besar ini yang membiarkan masalah kesesakan meleret sepanjang bulan Mac, bulan April, bulan Mei, bulan Jun sampailah bulan Julai nampaknya seorang pentadbir yang kurang daya perancangan ke depan (forward planning).
Sekiranya anda mempercayai alasan guru besar bahawa kantin sekolah itu adalah terlalu kecil, maka arkitek JKR yang melakar pelan bangunan Seri Pristana itu seharusnya dipecat sahaja kerana tidak membuat kerja dengan sempurna awal-awal! Betul tak?
SUNGAI BULOH: A parent lodged a police report against the headmaster of SK Seri Pristina in Sungai Buloh, Selangor, today for taking photographs of pupils who allegedly reported him.
Kumancan Veeriah said headmaster Mohd Nasir Mohd Noor had gone to the school, while he was on leave last week, and taken photographs of some non-Muslim students who he suspected had leaked the news that they were asked to have their meals in the school changing room, near the toilets.
“I am worried about the safety and security of my daughter who is in Year Four. The headmaster was supposed to be on leave. Why did he come to the school and take photos of the non-Muslim students?” asked Kamancaan who is a mechanic.
Read more @ http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2013/07/30/police-report-against-hm-umno-wants-parent-charged/
286 thoughts on “Mutakhir: Adab makan ultra kiasu di hotel / Siapa arkitek Seri Pristana?”
Lets just not prolong this matter. This is just an issue blown out of proportion. The matter was mishandled by the school and PTA. It was supposed to be sorted out at school level. I believe there was no intention on the part of school and PTA to discriminate the Indians and Chinese depicted in the photos.
re: “Lets just not prolong this matter.”
‘S’gor Umno: Probe canteen whistleblower for sedition’ @ http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/237133
Look’s who’s prolonging this matter.
‘Ambil Tindakan Terhadap Pihak Politikkan Isu SK Seri Pristana – Perkasa’ @ http://www.mstar.com.my/berita/cerita.asp?file=/2013/7/26/mstar_berita/20130726234034&sec=mstar_berita
Look at all the Facebook pages and online petitions in support of the HM.
There is also a facebook menyokong tindakan diambil ke atas guru besar sk sri pristana. U can google it.
Both parties – the guru besar n megaswari kelly have received death threats. Both parties have their own supporters online. If u wanna prolong this issue go ahead. Go n pass ur own judgement. you’ll be happy when the guru besar is fired. U’ll be happy when ur judgement that malay is racist is validated. Peace.
re: “If u wanna prolong this issue go ahead.”
Nope. It is S’gor Umno chief Noh Omar that is prolonging it by waving the sedition law.
It is Perkasa that is making threats.
re: “U’ll be happy when ur judgement that malay is racist is validated.”
All of you who are supporting the HM are implying that JKR did a lousy job in designing the school and its canteen. Most likely the JKR architect who designed Seri Pristana is a Malay.
By supporting the HM’s contention that the canteen is too small when his school enrolment of 1,375 pupils still falls under the comfortable range of maximum 1,440 pupils that the school was built for, you are implying that the JKR architect and everyone else involved in creating the building plan for SK Seri Pristana botched their jobs.
The entire architect team is likely Malay. Who’s racist? Are you saying that the Education Ministry (which is predominantly staffed by Malays) are so inept that they can’t even build school canteens to the adequate size. Seri Pristana belongs to a sophisticated class of new schools. You’re further implying that the rest of the schools of the same class are design flawed.
If they are design-flawed (all canteens too small), and if they were cars for example, then all the faulty models would have to be recalled.
helen, the tone of your reply is high presumptuous, and not based on any concrete evidence. In fact, I would go so far to say that you are letting your bias get the better of you.
If have replied to my comment listing the url links to the Umno S’gor story and other news reports.
What is so presumptuous about highlighting the obvious bias of Noh Omar? He’s the one who is evidently racially prejudiced.
The Seri Pristana issue involved mainly Indians. There is only one little Chinese girl in the whole school.
Statistic wise there are only 17 Indians, 1 Chineses and the rest are Malays…so there is no issue here. Eating in changing room is acceptable globally …unless there are pollicised in highly political electrified Malaysia. Yes the school PTA/PIBG should come forward and bring forth the MOM that shows they agreed to students eating in the changing room
Statistic wise: 28 non-Muslim pupils according to Bernama @ http://www.mysinchew.com/node/89283
re: “Eating in changing room is acceptable globally”
Oh really? Show me where it says so? Berita Harian according to Ridhuan Tee etiquette?
Canteen being small is actually quite a common problem in Malaysia on overall. Even big schools like St.John’s canteen can hardly fit all the number, rather than claiming that JKR made a bad design, I would say it was design according to standard size. I have yet to see, in my life to tell you the truth a school canteen that is equal to the size all the class room put together. That is plain absurd.
Now the bigger issue at hand, is that the whole thing was initiated in bad faith, and then you have politicians from both side playing the same game. Calling for the removal of the headmaster, when you have one side taking side, I’m not surprised that there are groups wanting to protect the headmaster.
I wouldn’t agree that it is being seditious but i would say the way it was represented was really filled with bad faith. But you know, at least the changing room was way more cleaner than back in my school we would sit down near the canteen drain, if it was dry it is okay, but it was dirty as hell with water inside of it. Now, I won’t justify it is right to eat there, but compared to eating near the drain it is better to eat there. And why not eat in the classroom some people say, i tell it shows how much people forget that they haven’t seen schools for the past 20 years, all school basically forbids and bans student from eating inside class out of sanitary reason. Not only limited in primary but up to high school.
The problem is that I viewing more people are actually taking more knee-jerk reaction. See here, the person reporting the whole thing took a knee-jerk reaction by saying discrimination of race and religion, and you have Noh Omar knee-jerk reaction for probe, perkasa have always been knee-jerk reaction. When do people learn that knee-jerk reaction doesn’t solve problem only worsen things out. To worse things out, everyone seems to move on confirmation bias, anything reported or written on facebook seems to get pass along as long it confirms their own biases. This is not good trend in a long run for Malaysia. More or less shows how much, immature, lack of reflection, and knee-jerkism or intellectual masturbation like RPK would call to some of his reader.
But St John’s is an old school.
It’s like the roads in the heart of Georgetown — some are so narrow. The streets were made when trishaws were the primary vehicles in use.
re: “bans student from eating inside class out of sanitary reason”
I’m not sure which sanitary reason you mean, i.e.
(i) students eating in class will dirty the classroom, or
(ii) classroom too dirty for students to use as a dining area
Given the facilities that Seri Pristina has, if the renovation story is to be believed (which I don’t but never mind), then I would suggest the Counselling Room as an option. It doesn’t matter that the location is not near the canteen b’cos the canteen is closed in any case and nobody’s selling food.
As for the knee-jerk reaction, Malays are rushing to the HM’s defence like lemmings. Lemmings rush before they think.
I’m presenting some data to be considered rationally like classroom size, standard specs of the school (I even gave the square feet size of the classrooms) and rationale as to why the HM’s story is dodgy, particularly since they staged that little Buka Puasa scene with the grown men in baju Melayu and songkok crowding The Room.
quote Helen, ‘As for the knee-jerk reaction, Malays are rushing to the HM’s defence like lemmings. Lemmings rush before they think.’ unquote.
Good to know how you actually feel towards the Malays, that we can’t think.
Probably you’ll be the 95% org Cina who will vote for DAP in GE14.
The real Helen is exposed.
Do you want me to compile how vicious the threats have been against the mother and her 9-year-old daughter from all the defenders of the headmaster?
Be my guest. No one has every stopped you from compiling any thing before. Why stop now?
Helen – You are as guilty as Noh Omar for prolonging this issue.
Now I clearly see how overzealous you can be in issues like this, and you are dead set to continue to spin and prolong issues.
I think you will only stop spinning, twisting and prolonging the issue when the poor HM is put in jail.
Really, Helen, what is it that you want from this issue?
I suggest you write a bit on my query.
re: “Helen – You are as guilty as Noh Omar for prolonging this issue.”
Why you elevate my importance as if seeming to be at par with a former Cabinet minister? Don’t put us in the same sentence lah. I’m only a blogger. I don’t even have access to mainstream media or the portals.
Dont la spin what I said Helen.
You are prolonging the issue. That’s the fact. Look at the number of blogs you’ve put up regarding the issue. I can count, ok!
So you and Noh Omar are the same as far as prolonging this issue is concerned.
It’s like the pot calling the kettle black.
With or without comment from my blog (mine is a personal B-L-O-G, okay, not media), wanna take a bet how long the issue will drag?
Even this piece is in response to Ridhuan Tee’s column in Berita Harian which has a daily circulation of 130,463 print copies (i.e. estimated readership of 521,852 or roughly half a million).
It’s not a matter of pot and kettle … it’s a matter of you putting me in the same sentence as an Umno ex-Federal Minister … YB Pak Menteri tu.
And now I’m informing you that Ridhuan Tee has just stretched the Seri Pristana issue to a nationwide and 94 percent Malay readership (BH demography here, http://www.adqrate.com/newspaper/details?id=41&type=1), and you come in here trumpeting that I “cannot/am not allowed to further” touch on the issue at risk of being branded as prolonging it?
(1) Today’s — one
(2) If Malay kids made to eat in Chinese school changing room, how?
(3) School canteen: Getting upset when see non-Muslims eating (?)
(4) SK Seri Pristana: Is this Youth Minister Khairy’s position?
(5) Updating (2) SK Seri Pristana ‘canteen’ case: Offer to go see for yourself the school
See, you don’t even need to use more than one hand to count.
The fact remains that you are prolonging the issue.
I never said I didnt allow you to prolong the issue.
I just wanted to point out to you that you are the same with Non Omar, that both of you are prolonging the issue.
Please be reminded that this is Helen’s personal blog. She can blog on anything she wants. This is not online news or the mass media. Moreover, the ‘prolonging’ as alleged by you is also contributed by readers of this blog that commented on Helen’s postings.
I don’t see how you can equate Noh Omar’s statement which was published by main stream and online media with that of Helen’s personal blog.
i never questioned Helen’s right to blog whatever issues she wished to write.
i was merely pointing out that Helen’s was being hypocritical that she’s accusing of Noh Omar for prolonging this issue but at the same time blogged again about this issue.
if Helen hadn’t put up the blog on this issue, there wouldn’t be anyone commenting this issue and indirectly prolonging it.
so Helen’s prolonging this issue for putting up another blog about this issue.
is that too difficult for you to understand?
And I’m not even a fan of Noh Omar!
Is noh Omar the one asking for the mother who posted the pics to be tried on sedition charges? If so, then why is that racist? Also, this whole issue may be a case of religious discrimination, not racial discrimination, regardless of how many on the non Muslims are Chinese or Indian.
As I wroted to Conrad, can you prove it? You may think it is obvious, even overt, racism. But can you prosecute based on your perception?
A black Italian government official had a banana thrown at her. The perp wasn’t punished. Was such an act overt racism?. In fact, the black official didn’t even consider it racist, just a waste of food.
When did I ever mention “racial discrimination”?
I have made five postings — see bullet list (somewhere on this page in response to Setem). Go rake through all five.
Then you show me where I have used the word “racial” or “discrimination” or “racial discrimination”.
I have as per usual presented data, i.e. facts (insofar as they can be ascertained), figures (including the size of the classroom in square feet) and I have said that the timeline do not square with the version of the story as told by the HM.
Helen earlier: – “What is so presumptuous about highlighting the obvious bias of Noh Omar? He’s the one who is evidently racially prejudiced.”
Helen later ;- “Then you show me where I have used the word “racial” or “discrimination” or “racial discrimination”.”
Wow. Helen has used the term ‘racially prejudiced’ but claims she hasn’t used the word ‘racial’.
Now that is some DAP level twisting of words.
Obviously this issue is ‘racial’ for Helen. Sorry, strike that! ‘Racially prejudiced’ is the ‘correct’ term.
Hullo. I said look at my five postings (articles) and see whether I have used the phrase “racial discrimination”.
My articles carry the theme of the discussions.
There have been more than 1,000 comments here already on the Seri Pristina discussion overall.
The the course of engagement with provocative and “simply accuse” readers like you throughout these 1k comments, is it realistic to demand that I studiously avoid the use of the word “race” and its derivatives like “racial” altogether?
I repeat: I never used the phrase “racial discrimination” in any of my five original postings – I am referring to the articles.
I had claimed I never used the phrase “racial discrimination” in any of my five original postings, and this claim is accurate. Don’t spin.
Siapakah yg mengambil gambar dan uploaded ke dalam fb jika bukan megaswari. Murid murid di larang membawa hp ke sekolah. Mengapa megaswari yg so educated itu tidak mendapatkan penjelasan awal dari pihak sekolah ataupun bertanya kpd rakan rakan indianya? Apa tujuan megaswari masukkan ke dalam fb yg telah menyebabkan timbulnya persepsi perkauman dgn begitu banyak komen berbaur rasis hinggakan timb menteri pun berkejar ke sekolah tsb kerana sangkaan rasis? Megaswari memang rasis dan berniat jahat. Justeru adalah wajar dan betul utk noh omar meminta supaya megaswari didakwa dibawah akta hasutan. Mengapa hingga kini si india megaswari itu masih membisu? BALING BATU SEMBUNYI TANGAN HITAMNYA???
The issue was dragged by Noh Omar. Why do you want to drag yourself to his level? There are supporters on both end. They have their own reasoning, valid or not. But who’s competing? Is there a prized trophy when all these end? Now talk about JKR design flaw? What?
There’s just too much anger everywhere. Everyone just need to chill.
re: “The issue was dragged by Noh Omar. Why do you want to drag yourself to his level?”
I live and vote in S’gor. If Noh Omar continues at his level, BN will never have the chance to recover the state. Then Pakatan will rule S’gor until the day I die :(
You must be joking lah Helen.. BN will never get back Selangor in the near future.. focus on the issue.. WHat do you expect when our people being attack.. its our responsibility to defend our people ..Kudos to NOh Omar.. You ingat org melayu dudok diam saja when orang bangsa lain attack left and right and full of fitnah and half truth pulak tu.
Apalah you Helen. You are getting hanyut with anti Malay sampan also.
re: “Apalah you Helen. You are getting hanyut with anti Malay sampan also.”
Somehow when you say “defend our people” (orang kita) you mean Malay, not anything else. You’re the one drawing the dividing line.
“You’re the one drawing the dividing line.”
– Sekolah Jenis tak termasuk pulak eh? Sekolah Jenis tu refer kepada apa “people” pulak? Bukan ke “your people” Helen? Terang lagi bersuluh siapa yg beria-ia nak mengasingkan diri dari perpaduan di sini. Kelakar sungguh!
Berapa banyak komen di bawah? Puluhan atau ratusan?
Jawapan anda ini sudah memadai buat saya berhenti di sini.
Apakah kita semua tersepit kesan “institutionalised racism”
Bila agaknya boleh kita dengan hati terbuka menanganinya?
Guru besar telah pun memohon utk pembesaran kantin earlier. Please check ur facts. U can ask mazidul about this. He interviewed the guru besar. Even the classroom pun tak cukup. They have to conduct classes outside. There is only one school to cater for a few neighbourhood. Why dont u meet the guru besar and find out for urself instead of making assumptions n creating issues. Do read mazidul’s blog. U can contact him for all facts. N do visit the school n talk to the guru besar or head of pibg.
If you believe the guru besar, then haul up the architect and building planner for job badly done.
Oh ya, like I said earlier, if they claim that the renovation takes months, then let’s see the invoice from the contractor for the work done.
Also the Education Ministry (Deputy Minister Kamalanathan) can confirm for the general public whether it’s true that the application has been made.
What’s the point of asking me to talk to HM when he will repeat the same story that he told that Malay blogger?
Let’s hear it from the Deputy Minister.
Well if u have extreme prejudice against this guru besar, looking forward for u to clarify with kamalanathan.
Before the school was handed over to the Education Ministry, why wasn’t an inspection done? If any facility was found to be lacking, the CF can be withheld until they are rectified which quite obviously didn’t happen.
And surely someone in the ministry should have been aware of the space constraints, thus begging the question why were so many students enrolled in the first place?
In the beginning I was willing to give the HM the benefit of the doubt. As the story unravels, I am inclined to be less accommodating in my views. A cockup at many levels exacerbated by a lack of common sense & respect for others IMO. Unfortunately avoidable but it happened anyways.
Given that the school has 18 classrooms (and thus 36 classes – if they want – over two sessions morning and afternoon), Seri Pristana is NOT overcrowded.
At over 700 sq feet, each of the classrooms are big. It’s hard to believe that with such spacious classrooms and having such a wide-ranging complement of facilities (music room, art room, counselling room, prefect’s room etc) which all take up immense floor space, that the architect would have designed a cramped canteen.
The “changing room” is unsuitable. It is not ventilated.
…The “changing room” is unsuitable. It is not ventilated…
Atas kapalterbang macam mana semua orang relax saja makan. Yang tak bernasib baik dapat tempat duduk, beberapa langkah dah sampai pintu jamban!
Berapa jam kita ada atas kapalterbang dan berapa kerap kita menggunakan kapalterbang?
Kalaupun kita nak fly, tu atas kehendak dan pilihan sendiri.
Yang ni, budak-budak kecil dipaksa. Jika diikutkan cerita guru besar, sudah 5 bulan (Mac, April, Mei, Jun, Julai) budak-budak terpaksa berdepan dengan keadaan yang kurang menyihatkan itu.
Spot on rina.
Aircrafts are air conditioned even if it recirculates the air. Just like a car’s air conditioning. No one forced you to fly or drive did they?
As for the changing room, I don’t believe there’s even a fan in there.
Fakin Fake Calvin,
Definitely there are babies, toddlers and older kids travelling, no choice, FORCED to travel with their parents/guardians. As your children, they are FORCED to live in your house and FORCED to go places in your car – are you sure your home/car aircon units are clean and safe for your kids. .
Recently we did some tests on baby milk formulas and found fungus/molds in one of the brands. Imagine infants FORCED by their PARENTS to drink these?
This kantin fiasco is sheer nonsense.
Kids are whose responsibility again? If we leave them at home alone like Macaulay Caulkin, then we’d have people trying to crucify us they way they did when a parent inadvertently left their kids in the car ending in tragedy.
Btw, growing up have you “revolted” against your parents? Forced to go to school & gain an education perhaps when you prefer to sleep in, watch cartoon & just lepak?
Maybe we should go the Jake Gyllenhaal way in Bubble Boy. That’ll make sure we are in a sterile environment at all times. Or perhaps a bunny suit? I sure as hell don’t envy those clean room operators decked in bunny suits for an entire shift. Even taking a piss is a chore.
Do u know that alot of new neighbourhood dont have enough schools – to cater for all the students. This school is one example.
Out of 1,375 Seri Pristana pupils, there is only one Chinese student.
You may claim that the neighbourhood doesn’t have enough schools but it’s obvious that there is some nearby where all the rest of the Chinese pupils are lodged.
Yup hauling up the architect n building planner will definitely solve this issue once n for all :-p anyway got to now. Nice talking to u helen. Nite!
Better talk about the racist doctor. Why cant we discuss. Something wrong or is it wrong?
Yes, let us talk about the racist doctor. Why Helen senyap saja?
Go ahead. You and Maae can talk. I’m not stopping you.
I was waiting for Helen to write about the racist doctors too.
But none so far.
Selective blogging prosecution, same like pro-Pakatan bloggers.
Now we are beginning to see the ‘real’ Helen.
Bloggers will always be bloggers; 2 x 5.
What’s your point?
Of course I’m selective. I don’t select to write about Sharizat’s cows or Rosmah’s cincin/Altantuya/Scorpene submarines, lots of things.
Bloggers will always be bloggers. Ya lah. I’m not a Twit or a Facebooker what.
Now we are beginning to see the ‘real’ Setem too.
At the end Helen, you will always be a person hating the Malay race…the presumptions that you make; ie the architect being Malay, education dept filled with Malay, and so forth, are outright racists and purely done without evidence abound. In short Helen, what you did is truly in bad taste. The great divide has now come to forth. You should be ashamed. You might be pro BN, but unfortunately yo still belong to us and them mentality. Yep, the true Helen has been revealed:-(
(1) re: “the presumptions that you make; ie the architect being Malay”
You’re correct – it is a presumption. But nonetheless, it is still a most valid presumption because according to the order of things, the JKR as a government department is very predominantly Malay.
Direktori Pegawai Kanan JKR (cawangan arkitek)
Ar. Noraini Binti Md. Zin PENGARAH KANAN, Ainah binti Ulam PEMBANTU KHAS, Ar. Sutina Bt. Ghazalli PENGARAH I, Nur Rabiatul Adawiyyah bt. Saad PEMBANTU KHAS, Baharudin Bin Abd. Jalil PENGARAH II, Nur Izni Bt. Abdul Rahman PEMBANTU KHAS, Azman Bin Abdul Manaf KETUA BAHAGIAN PENYELARASAN DAN KHIDMAT SOKONGAN, Nur Nabila Binti Saharudin PEMBANTU KHAS, Yong Razidah Razidah KETUA BAHAGIAN TEKNOLOGI DAN INOVASI BANGUNAN, Pn. Zan Fatimah Bt Maon KETUA UNIT REKABENTUK FASILITI KESIHATAN 1, Nor Azura bt. Che Abu PEMBANTU KHAS, Hasnah Yun KETUA UNIT REKABENTUK FASILITI KESIHATAN 2, Ab. Rashid Bin Abdullah KETUA BAHAGIAN PEMBANGUNAN ICT DAN DOKUMENTASI, Ar. Mariani Noor Bt. Suhud UNIT REKABENTUK FASILITI PENDIDIKAN, En. Ibrahim Bin Isa KETUA UNIT REKABENTUK FASILITI BANGUNAN AM, En. Sarpudin Bin Muda KETUA UNIT REKABENTUK FASILITI BANGUNAN AM 3, Ar. Zuraina Leily Awaludin KETUA UNIT REKABENTUK FASILITI BANGUNAN AM 2, Ziety Haida Bt. Hassan PEMBANTU KHAS, Ir. Rosila Mohamed KETUA UNIT REKABENTUK FASILITI KSELAMATAN/PERTAHA.
There — above, copypasted all the office holders in the JKR architectural department as listed in their website http://www.jkr.gov.my/directory. Although I cannot give you the name that the particular architect who designed Seri Pristana is Malay but 100 percent of his immediate bosses are certainly Malay.
(2) re: “education dept filled with Malay”
Yes it is. See organisation chart.
Click to access CO%20KPM%20SELEPAS%20GABUNG%20%28plus%20nama%20penyandang%29%281%29.pdf
Below are the names of the State Education Department directors (list compiled some 2.5 years ago but if any of the office holders have changed, pls do let me know).
Johor: Sufa’at Tumin, Kedah: Shahidan Abd. Rahman, Kelantan: Hussain Awang, Labuan: Mohammad Zaki Mohd Yusof, Malacca: Isa Abu, Perlis: Mansor Lat, Penang: Ibrahim Mohamad, Negeri Sembilan: Abdullah Mohammad, Pahang: Abdul Aziz Abdul Latiff, Perak: Mohd Radzi Abd Jabar, Sabah: Muhiddin Yusin, Sarawak: Mortadza Hj. Alop, Selangor: Sulaiman Wak, Terengganu: Ariffin Embong, Kuala Lumpur: Mohd Adenan Deraman, Putrajaya: Khairil Awang
There you go, the State Education Department heads are 100 percent Malay.
See also, Dr Geoff Wade’s findings. He wrote in his paper ‘The Origins and Evolution of Ethnocracy in Malaysia’ that “Preference to Malays in appointment as university lecturers. Malay appointments as university lecturers have increased from 30 percent to 95 percent.”
Separately, the Universiti Kebangsaan Malaysia online staff directory showed that every single one of the 61 lecturers in UKM’s Faculty of Education are Malay-Muslim [sampling taken in July 2010].
(3) re: “Helen you will always be a person hating the Malay race … outright racists … still belong to us and them mentality”
Someone should prescribe you a chill pill.
Takdenye cinion ni nak cerita pasal isu doctor rasis punya. Yang tukang repot punya facebook komen racist siap sebut Allah, Melayu takde pun dia bising/kecoh(nampak sangat niat perepot tu tak baik dan niat tuan punya blog ni pun sama). Kalau cinion ni ikhlas nak kutuk, biar kena dua-dua pihak la. Ni bias tak hengggat!!!
Kalau dia kata Umno ngan Perkasa panjangkan hal ni, dia pun 2×5. Bila diajak untuk satu sekolah, dia menentang. Diversity konon. Padahal membesarkan barrier.
Jikalau minoriti yg sekecil ni ni pun jauh lagi vocal/kiasu dari majoriti, boleh bayangkan kalau mereka pula yang menjadi majoriti? Berapa kali ganda vocal/kiasu mereka akan jadi???
Pasal Dong Zhong menentang PIPP tak nak komen eh???
re: “Kalau cinion ni ikhlas nak kutuk, biar kena dua-dua pihak la.”
In the first place, I would appreciate that you do not use the label ‘cinion’ anymore in my blog. Same goes for “chingkie” and “Cinakui”.
You do not see me giving the Malay race or Indian race any nicknames.
In the second place, wrt your comment “biar kena [kutuk] dua-dua pihak la”, try Google both the words “DAP” and “Umno” in my blog.
If you insist mesti kena dua-dua pihak la, then every time I mention Dapsters, I must kutuk Umnoputra, okay? Every time I mention DAP, I must make sure I kutuk Umno also, and every time I mention Guan Eng I will kutuk Najib/Muhyiddin/Mahathir (take your pick) kaw-kaw.
That’s your kiasu logic neh when you demand that I must delve into that other affair of the purported “racist Chinese doctors” in Penang. What’s there to say? The Health Minister, who’s Indian, has already cleared them.
Aik??? Habis yang Y.B. Tuan P Kamalanathan a/l P. Panchanathan kata benda ni kira dah settle tu macamana pulak? Dah jadi tanggungjawab sosial Cik Helen mengecohkan isu ini?
Ke dah cium molot dgn Guan Eng balik? Entah-entah Red Bean in disguise ni. Bukan boleh percaya ni…
Ke mung yang Red Bean yang hanya tahu buat tuduhan melulu tanpa asas?
Bukankan highlighted story blog saya berjudul ‘Iguana Eng’?
Entah ke ABCD ni REDBEAN army saja nak mengapi-apikan lagi…
Kalaulah saya Red Bean, dah hari-hari/setiap masa tanpa tidur saya mesti menulis kat sini punya. :)
Ke Helen Red Bean sepenuh masa? Waktu artikel/komen pun selalu waktu yang pelik2. Dibayar untuk tidak tidur ek?
Ke artikel anti-Guan Eng selama ni hanya penyamaran semata-mata?
Lagi-lagi mung kata saya “mengecohkan isu ini”.
Bukan saya yang membuat repot polis melambak-lambak tu.
Bukan saya yang mengugut serta menuntut Akta Hasutan dipakai.
Bukan saya yang mewujudkan petisyen serta mengutip ribuan tandatangan.
Bukan saya yang hendak adakan demo di depan Kementerian.
Cuba tengok posting-posting saya yang lepas. Pada lazimnya saya mengemukakan data.
Sekarang ini juga saya mengeluarkan data termasuk berapa luas dalam kaki persegi saiz sesebuah bilik darjah di SK Seri Pristina itu.
Data yang sedia ada tidak menyokong cerita yang disajikan guru besar kepada media Melayu.
So Y.B. Tuan P Kamalanathan a/l P. Panchanathan menipu la ek? Sama dgn Health minister?
Banyak laporan dalam suratkhabar-suratkhabar Tamil. Sayangnya saya tak reti nak baca.
Apapun pertubuhan Malaysian Tamilian Today berkata mereka akan mengadakan protes dalam masa dua minggu terdekat ini.
Isu ini masih belum lagi ditutup meskipun YB Kamalanathan kata sudah beres. Sebenarnya beliau banyak diberi tekanan dan juga oleh rakan-rakan MIC-nya sendiri. Bab yang ini ada dilaporkan oleh media bahasa Inggeris.
Bila Health Minister tu cakap isu dah clear,terus telan bulat2 eh?
In the first place saya tak ikut pun cerita doktor itu.
Kan saya dah kata, kalau mung berminat nak sosek-sosek kes doktor tu, go ahead lah and borak dengan Anon dan Maae.
See??? Double-standard. Panggil
cinion[edited] kang marah. Dia hanya nak percaya apa yang dia nak percaya sahaja. Selamat malam.
The Health Minister has NOT cleared the issues of the alleged racists Chinese doctors in Penang, Helen. Get your facts right. Investigation is still going on.
The original headline was “Dr Subra: No racism, just poor communication” (NO RACISM!)
What the original headline was is irrelevant.
Fact is that INVESTIGATION IS STILL GOING ON.
And you were wrong to say that I quote you ‘The Health Minister, who’s Indian, has already cleared them.’.
For once, admit laa you made a mistake.
I remembered the headline. They were ‘cleared’ of the charge of “racism” which is what all the fuss is about since Umno had branded the doctors “racist”.
The Health Minister suggested something like they have poor communication skills. Having poor communication skills is not racism.
Stop lah splitting hairs.
Ni bukan isu yang baru pun. Pernah beberapa kali ketika saya berada di klinik kerajaan saya dapat lihat kaum ini(cina) sengaja minta kepada kerani pendaftaran supaya mereka dirawat oleh doktor yang sama bangsa(cina) dengan mereka sahaja. Kalau ini bukan rasis, nak panggil nama apa pula ek???
Yang bahagian kaunter farmasi pun terpaksa cari pekerja2 yang sebangsa dgn mereka(cina) untuk bekerja di situ. Kalau tidak, mereka enggan ambil ubat dari pekerja Melayu. Yang peliknya, nak pulak pergi klinik kerajaan? Apasal tak pergi ke klinik swasta jenis cina?
Cina haram ambil ubat dari Melayu kah???
Helen, you’re alright as long as you keep hantaming the opposition. Just don’t be objective enough about the other side.
Does this ring a bell?
How different is this crowd from those supporting the opposition?
Both are blindly loyal to their political masters and/or race. Both kinds are hypocritical about racism and neither one is above resorting to falsehood, double standards or inane arguments or selective persecution/ignorance to champion their causes.
What’s funny to me is that the Malay crowd here who brand the Chinese as racists are just as racist as the Chinese who holler ‘racist’ at every opportunity.
Like…how different is Setem from Onyourtoes at Mkini?
2 X 5.
Bunch of hypocrites.
Woi, ibu bapa India dan Cina hantar anak mereka ke sekolah KEBANGSAAN Seri Pristina, tetapi murid tersebut diarah makan di bilik salinan. Kantin pula ditutup sejak bulan puasa bermula atas alasan renovasi la, tukar pintu kaca la, melindungi murid berpuasa la…
Dengan gelagat guru besar macam ini, bagaimanakah ibu bapa dapat percaya kepada sistem sekolah kebangsaan bila anak mereka diberi layanan berbeza dalam konteks ini?
I travel approximately 100 days in a year for work. I would normally stay in 4-5 star hotels as the company has preferred rates with chains such as Hilton, Sheraton, IHG etc.
I can’t recall having a meal in a changing room in the last 5 years or so. Not even on Valentine’s Day or New Year’s Eve. I do wonder which hotel the good doctor Ridhuan stayed in which serves their guest meals in a dressing/changing room?
kelakar sungguh cik helen ni, saya gelak sampai putus kepala…hihuhihuahaiahauahaih
Nope. Me too cant recall anywhere where changing room in hotels serve meals.
Why do we have to pay for the sins of our forefathers? My American parents-in-law voted for Obama thinking that by voting for a Black to be the President, it could wash away some of the sins of their ancestors who owned slaves in the south. You see, the Whites imported the Blacks from Africa and they were responsible for the Blacks’ well being.
As for us Malays, we did not import the nons, the British did. The British should be responsible for the well being of the nons, not the Malays. When the British left Malaya, they should also take the nons with them. If a survey were to be conducted amongst the Malays today whether the nons should be chased out from Malaysia, 90% would vote for it. 10% would be the liberal Malays like Zaid Ibrahim or an LGBT supporter like Anwar Ibrahim.
re: “If a survey were to be conducted amongst the Malays today whether the nons should be chased out from Malaysia, 90% would vote for it.”
You might be right.
What you say would explain the immense partisanship shown in the Malay reaction to the Seri Pristina affair.
Sy cuba lihat ni dlm perspektif helen. Cik helen kena faham kalau isu ni hy libatkan kompetensi guru besar tu, rasanya org melayu pun x kisah dan boleh terima. Tp perkara ni dah smp melibatkan main agama dan kaum mmg cr pasal la drpd paria mana tah. Yg lucunya dlm gambar tu pun ada budak pompuan pakai tudung maksudnya mana2 budak pun makan d situ, bukan non muslim saja. Jd kita pun paham kalau libat isu agama dan kaum x kira melayu cina india mesti akan berpanjangan dan kesudahannya mmg x baik.
And once we do the survey and confirm the findings then what? Why i wonder we keep putting effort not to solve problem but more to accentuate the widening dan divisive gap between races?
BTW, any comments from DAP on the TPPA?
re: “Why i wonder we keep putting effort not to solve problem”
Seri Pristana IS representative of a wider problem which is that other national schools have also closed their canteens.
Are you aware that the canteen vendors are required by contract to operate throughout the term? This closure breaches the contract of service.
Then lets get the minitry to do something on the contract management and get the PTA on board for action. The mere mention or rather making Sri Pristina as the tombstone dont get the main issues being addressed for the benefit of the school kids. It just serve as avenue for bigots to ‘melepas’ and berkokok dont you think so?
Unless anyone is insinuating that the architect and the building planners were lousy and unqualified as well as the approving authorities (Ministry of Education and I suppose the local council) derelict in their duty, I’m beginning to incline to the view that there is really nothing wrong at all with the school infrastructure.
Therefore we just have to get at the truth of the matter. There have been too many excuses and versions coming from the
Btw, if we are to consider the school management and PTA would like to keep the school kids to learn to pusa without any ‘ godaan lapar’, after all they are kids, why cant an arrangement be made for a teacher or PTA volunteers to makan somewhere with the non puasa kids. not necessary at the canteen. Nearby house or eating place pun boleh. Maybe kat bilik kaunselling, if ada?
Boleh ke tak boleh? I have heard some school counselors do that.
Why close the canteen in the first place?
Just let the non-fasting kids eat in the area designated for taking meals and let the fasting kids use the library, resource room, music room, etc or just stay in their own classroom and play a tablet at their desk lah.
I think you are making this pristina into an unncessary beach head. the qustion is why did he close the canteen, was due to renovation. His mistake is why did he choose the changing room instead of other arrangement. Should the other arrangement are more suitable, we would nt have this situation. Why he didnt re open the canteen is what need to be asked. it can also be more like a contractual issue between school and the operator for breach of contract for the ministry rather than we continue making assumption that ended up for everybody here going round and round unnecessarily. We should allow the Deputy Minister to carry out his work in this area. We should let this matter be taken care of without further agravation.
For me, i wouldnt care to spend an iota of my brain on what the HM plan to achieve by going back to snap picture, a leopard cant change his spot, but i hope the HM will with some ‘assistance’ from the ministry.
This is a sekolah kebangsaan ie multi racial attendance. Given that the ratio of malay:indian: chinese students, with the majority being malays and like HA mentioned 1 chinese student saja. Kenapa yang majority tak bising.
As jentayu mentioned budak melayu ada juga yang makan didalam bilik persalinan. The kids dont have a problem with it. I have seen students sitting tepi longkang during recess to makan when the canteen is fully operational with enough seating space in other schools. Takde pulak dijadikan issue.
In this case because of safety issues, they used the changing room. Katakan school continues to use the canteen whilst repairs being done. Construction debris falls on students causing massive injury – what outcome do you think this will cause. Worst than what is happening in this instance kan.
There have been cases in venacular schools ie chinese where the malay teachers have problems too. Being ‘discrimated’. Ada cikgu pernah nyatakan anak2 murid bangsa china yang berani marah2 atau maki cikgu2 melayu, cikgu2 melayu pun makan bukan di ruang yang selesa. Mengapa mereka2 ini tak bangkitkan perkara ini. They also have this right being teachers and should be accorded some respect. Most Malays are very tolerant people because of upbringing and religion if i may add.
Kalau salah kita perbetulkan and mara. We need to give the right vibes to our kids.
re: “Construction debris”
None of the reporters from the various media who visited the site reported any construction going on.
With more and more police reports being made daily, it’s likely that the police will soon have to make a statement.
“Construction debris falls on students causing massive injury – what outcome do you think this will cause.”
It has already been proven that there was no construction or major renovation at the canteen. The works were just installing a glass door, a job that can be done in a day, or two days at the most.
No bags of cement, tiles, wood, nails, dust, or tools laying around.
WHAT IF the ‘glass door ‘falls and injures a student. Then what!
The works were just installing a glass door, a job that can be done in a day, or two days at the most. No need to close the canteen for two WEEKS.
Ho ho ho…
– student non-muslim 23 org
– belanja setiap org paling kuat RM2 (kalaulah setiap orang berbelanja)
– jumlah kasar satu hari paling kuat dapat RM46 ringgit sahaja.
– nak basuh pinggan/kantin lagi?
– belanja ke pasar, petrol?
Cerdik betul sesiapa yg meniaga macam tu, apa kata Cik Helen pulak buat bisnes kantin di sekolah kebangsaan semasa bulan puasa?
Bukankah senang kalau semua kaum bersekolah bersama? Takde isu kantin tutup bulan puasa punya. Dapat elakkan pembaziran dana kerajaan lagi
Gerai dan dapur kantin tutup tidak bermaksud ruang makan kantin pun kena tutup….
Really? So why is it that UMNO could not get more than 80% of the vote in the recent election? Even in their Terengganu fortress?
AC-DC | Julai 31, 2013 at 12:32 am,
That was pre Ge 13. Post Ge 13, after Chinese tsunami, the Malays’ support for UMNO is increasing.
Proof: Kuala Besut by-election result. Most Malays want Najib to be replaced by an ultra Malay leader and hopefully Najib will be a goner by October together with the UMNO liberals like Hishamuddin, Nazri.
[Quote: As for us Malays, we did not import the nons, the British did. The British should be responsible for the well being of the nons, not the Malays. When the British left Malaya, they should also take the nons with them. ..]
This is the kind of hateful nonsense statement I detest.
You are indignant because you have to pay for the sins of your forefathers in letting the nons here, and yet you speak nothing of reaping the good of the country today, that was built on the blood, toil, tears and sweat of everyone.
[Quote: If a survey were to be conducted amongst the Malays today whether the nons should be chased out from Malaysia, 90% would vote for it. ]
I guess the poor and forgotten Orang Asli would probably say the same to you.
hmm that is interesting….I believe we should do so…let us do a survey…ask each of the race including the org asli, bumiputra sabah sarawak to ask which other race they want to vote out from this country….
…interesting…do you think they would want to chase the Malay more than chasing out the chinese?
Quote: […interesting…do you think they would want to chase the Malay more than chasing out the chinese?]
What has the Chinese got to do with this Asli-Malay showdown? Chinese are not the ones who claimed special rights and status on their forefather’s land while they (orang asli) languish in poverty and neglect. http://www.aitpn.org/Reports/JHEOA.pdf
Like you, I do agree if possible, a survey would be telling. As most Malays concur 90% of Malays would chase the nons out of Malaysia if given the chance, the said survey would very least, throw some light on whether the Orang Asli are the bigger man in recognizing the benefit of a shared existence.
Out of curiosity, are you one of the 90% in voting the Chinese out?
Ridhuan Tee is Cina…but I wont be voting him out…
Helen is Cina…but I wont be voting her out…despite me being staunchly disagreeing with her in this specific topic…
Namewee/Alvin/Lim Kit Siang/Guan Eng type of Cina….I definitely will…
re: “What has the Chinese got to do with this Asli-Malay showdown? Chinese are not the ones who claimed special rights and status on their forefather’s land while they (orang asli) languish in poverty and neglect.”
When did I say there was a show down between Org Asal (I feel weird pronouncing this) and the Malay….
The way you have been questioning, it seems like you recognize that the Org Asli is the rightful owner of this land…Tuan Tanah! So my point is let the one that you recognize as Tuan Tanah be the judge as well…And not just Org Asli, let as include Bumiputra Sabah Sarawak as well…
Let them judge…do they want to share this land with the majority Malay or the Chinese?
Despite the Malay claiming the special status on their “forefather land”…do you think they will vote the Malay or the Chinese out?
This will be interesting…
asyik2 kaum diorang ni pakai alasan org asli. Ke buat-buat tak tahu yang melayu pun campuran DNA orang asli?
When you present your argument based on the findings of an Oxford University geneticist about Malays sharing the orang Asli DNA, you do acknowledge the Orang Asli is not privy to the privileges Malays are currently enjoying, right? I like to get that out of the way first.
Since you brought up findings by Dr Stephen Oppenheimer, we shall then talk about Dr Oppenheimer.
These are Dr Opphenheimer’s findings…
– The ancestry of ALL humans living today is from Africa.
– The migration from Africa started somewhere between 55,000 and 85,000 years ago…
– They went to India, Sri Lanka, and from there they went to the Bay of Bengal, and to Sunda Shelf.
– Quote: “They did not stay in any one place for a very long time. They moved on. They left colonies all along the route. But the vanguard moved very rapidly over a couple of thousand years, right down to Bali. The ancestors of the three Orang Asli groups (the Senai, Semang and Proto-Malays) in the Malay peninsula arrived in the vanguard. They descended from the very first people who put foot in this region in Malaya. ”
– Quote: “They’ve (the orang asli) stayed at home on the Malay peninsula. The Malays share some Orang Asli lineages, they have some of their own unique to island Southeast Asia and about half of the Malay mitochondrial lines come from Indonesia.”
So according to the good Dr, you have a group of people who came out of Africa. Some stayed put in Malaya while others moved around.
Quote Oppenheimer, “If one takes Southeast Asia as a whole, the ancestry of the Malays and Indonesian, are just as old as the Orang Asli. Only the Orang Asli stayed put while the others moved around. ”
I don’t want to draw any conclusion.
You draw your own if sharing some of the same DNA meant one group is as “asli” in relation to the land, as the next group, whom their forefathers had dwelled thousands of years before.
Full interview with Dr Stephen Oppenheimer here..
Got to add..
re: You draw your own if sharing some of the same DNA meant one group is as “asli” in relation to the land, as the next group, whom their forefathers had dwelled thousands of years before.
Btw, please keep your conclusion to yourselves. No need to reply to me. I am done with this topic.
You will be surprised, but many Sabahans and Sarawakians do not like Peninsular people forcing ideas down their throats. That includes Semenanjung-style race beliefs and what language to use for their religious scriptures.
Also remember Barisan Nasional received 47% of the vote, that includes votes for the moderate and East Malaysian parties. Fringe extremists such as Zul Noordin and Ibrahim Ali could not win seats in Shah Alam and Pasir Mas. Very likely your proposal will be shot down with over 2/3 voting ‘No’.
Tak boleh menang di sukan sekolah, dah ingat nak kalahkan Usain Bolt.
I’m a 3rd generation Malaysian, born in this land & I expect to die here when my time is up.
I’ve lived life overseas due to work but it never crossed my mine to relocate even with the PR dangled in front or me with the promise of citizenship by Singapore & Australia.
My parents, they both served this nation in her hour of need during the emergency. My father hunted communists in the jungle for months at end. My mother guarded the lockup & escorted the captured terrorist for years. And the nation paid them a monthly pension of RM753 & RM684 upon their retirement after 36 & 35 years of service in 2003 & 2006 respectively.
My uncle was one of 3 Sarawakians from the 8th Ranger Regiment killed in an ambush on April 4th 1980 in Gopeng, Perak leaving a 26 year old widow & 4 year old son with a monthly pension of RM87.
Today, no less than 13 of my family members are serving the nation in PDRM, ATM, RMAF & RMN. A cousin is even a submariner based in Lumut.
What have you done for the country to justify remaining here & to earn the right to chase my family out?
Well this proofs that the government school is overflooding with students la. especially ramai orang melayu hantar mereka kesini, bcos this is the only schools accessible kepada orang melayu. Bilangan pelajar terlalu ramai. Pada waktu anak saya berada di dalam darjah 6 sahaja terdapat 400 lebih pelajar tahap 6. Kalau anak saya mendapat nombor satu exam akhir tahun lalu, maka performancenya di catit sebagai 1/475 iaitu pelajar no satu daripada 475 pelajar tahap 6. Bila keputusan upsr keluar saja, yg mendapat skor 5A lebih dari seratus pelajar, yang mendapat 4A pun hampir seratus pelajar. Disebabkan terlalu ramai pelajar kemudahan tak begitu selesa, satu kelas ada lebih 40 pelajar setiap kelas tahap 6. Tapi pelajar dan ibubapa tidak komplain sampai ke media massa. Mereka selesaikan dengan pihak sekolah mencari solution sehingga dapat pastikan ramai pelajar berjaya dengan cemerlang.
Walaupun sekolah gov perlukan peruntukan mereka cuma dapat 100juta saja utk dibahagi dengan bilangan sekolah yang banyak sedangkan banyak sekolah yang kena dibangunkan lagi untuk atasi kepadatan pelajar disekolah kerajaan.
Tak spt orang cina dan india, mereka ada sekolah mereka sendiri tetapi sekolah cina dan india yang bilangan nya sedikit berbanding dengan orang melayu mendapat peruntukan yang sama banyak RM100juta setiap satu. Tengok saja kemudahan dan bangunan sekolah cina, rata-rata mewah dan ada yang ber aircond. Tiang bangunan macam tiang KLCC. Tapi masih dapat peruntukan beratus juta ringgit. Ini memang tak adil!
Puasa- orang bukan islam dewasa patut malu sebab budak melayu Islam tahap satu umur 7 tahun pun berpuasa tak makan tak minum dari subuh sampai ke senja malam. Mereka tak komplain pun. Kalau kamu makan aiskrim di depan mereka, mereka tak komplain walaupun minda mereka telah merangsang perut merasa begitu lapar bila lihat kamu makan dan minum depan mereka.
Cuba kamu yang dewasa tak makan tak minum dari subuh ke malam , ada larat ka? Pernah tak makan ka? Mau komplain banyak saja ada la! Buat hal banyak! Pikir yang betul ada banyyyak sikit!
Kesimpulan – kerajaan kena fokus bina lebih banyak sekolah di area sg buloh, puncak alam, saujana utama dan sekitar. Di tempat lain pun hampir sama keadaannya. Kalau di puncak alam cuma ada satu saja sekolah menengah utk cater semua penduduk. Apa hal? Lebih banyak peruntukan kena diberi kepada sekolah bantuan kerajaan kerana pelajar terlalu ramai berbanding dengan sekolah cina dan india.
So, saya amat sokong di tangkap mereka yang sewenang-wenang buat hal dan provokasi yang menjadi budaya mereka sejak azali.
Keduanya percepatkan pembinaan sekolah bantuan kerajaan dan cepat cepat upgrade kemudahan di sekolah-sekolah itu yang selama ini terlalu daif, padat dengan pelajar dan ketinggalan kemudahan, kekurangan guru dan sebagainya.
Kalau Darjah 6 sekolah anak din.audi menampung seramai 475 orang murid, maka enrolment seluruh sekolah ialah (475 x 6 darjah =) 2,850 murid.
Ataupun kita kurangkan angka sedikit (400 X 6=) 2,400 murid — jumlah ini dianggap sesak.
Tetapi di Seri Pristana ada 1,375 murid sahaja, bahagi 6 = 229 setiap darjah, bahagi dua sesi pagi dan petang = 114, bahagi 3 kelas (katakan Merah, Biru, Hijau) = 38 murid setiap satu kelas. Okay bah.
re: “Cuba kamu yang dewasa tak makan tak minum dari subuh ke malam , ada larat ka?”
Itu ibadah kamu orang Islam.
Kami orang Cina tidak menuntut kamu mengikut cara kami, iaitu memegang colok.
Kenapa pula kamu menuduh “Mau komplain banyak saja ada la! Buat hal banyak!”
Kami tidak membuat hal kamu berpuasa.
Kamu yang membuat hal menutup kantin tempat kami makan.
Cik Helen kamu orang dewasa sepatutnya boleh berfikiran matang seperti dewasa yang waras.
Isu sini dikaitkan dengan rasis dan ugama oleh complainer sebagai provokasi ketenteraman awam. Itulah yang menjadi masalahnya.
Dilihat tempat makan minum pelajar itu bersih dan ekslusif dangan meja yang berlapik cantik dan dengan kerusi panjang kemas . Berbanding dengan sekolah lain yang pernah saya lihat amat daif dengan meja tak berlapik cantik cantik.
Sedangkan pulak, semua pelajar tak kira bangsa dimaklumkan telah gunakannya sejak Mac yang lepas. So what the issue?
Bila hati sudah tak suka tinggal disini macam-macam alasan diberi. Bila sudah baru jadi orang kaya senang sikit, semua yang dilihat tak suka saja. Lihat lah dinegara lain, cambodia, vietnam, china, india, bangladesh, myanmar keadaan mereka lebih teruk lagi.
re “Kami tidak membuat hal kamu berpuasa.”
Tak ada perasaan hormat pun tak pa, at least ada fikiran yang waras sikit pun jadi la. Anak-anak orang melayu berpuasa, bersekolah dari pagi dan ada yang terus belajar pengajian Islam sebelah petang samapai jam 5-6 petang tapi masih berpuasa – mereka tak komplain lapar, kelas sesak dsbgnya dan mereka ini lah orang yang menang.
re: “Isu sini dikaitkan dengan rasis dan ugama oleh complainer sebagai provokasi ketenteraman awam. Itulah yang menjadi masalahnya.”
Noh Omar telah menggesa pihak Kementerian agar tidak mengambil apa-apa tindakan terhadap guru besar. Orang politik ini mencampurtangani isu walaupun sebelum polis memberi laporan siasatan mereka serta ketua Umno Selangor ini begitu berat sebelah menghakimi (prejudge) isu.
Jelas ianya perbuatan Noh Omar yang berbaur perkauman pro-guru besar Melayu dan anti ibubapa India itu.
re: “Berbanding dengan sekolah lain yang pernah saya lihat amat daif dengan meja tak berlapik cantik cantik.”
Adakah meja makan yang tak berlapik cantik-cantik di sekolah lain itu diletakkan bersebelahan dengan tandas?
re: “Sedangkan pulak, semua pelajar tak kira bangsa dimaklumkan telah gunakannya sejak Mac yang lepas. So what the issue?”
The issue is that several of the non-Muslim pupils have said that they were made to use the “changing room” only when puasa month started. Their parents have said that the claim of “since March” is a lie.
re: “Bila hati sudah tak suka tinggal disini macam-macam alasan diberi. Bila sudah baru jadi orang kaya senang sikit, semua yang dilihat tak suka saja.”
Allo, jangan serkap jarang lah. Sila tumpu pada topik. Sepanjang saya membincangkan isu ini saya pun memfokus kepada fakta dan tidak melencong kepada tuduhan-tuduhan sampingan seperti “bila hati sudah tak suka tinggal di sini”. What has this gotta do with the price of fish?
re: “Lihat lah dinegara lain, cambodia, vietnam, china, india, bangladesh, myanmar keadaan mereka lebih teruk lagi.”
Ya lah. Macam Ridhuan Tee kata, “makan minum dalam tandas sekalipun perkara biasa”. Jadi mengikut hemat din.audi, di cambodia, vietnam, china, india, bangladesh, myanmar, kanak-kanak sekolah mereka pun duduk makan di tepi tandas lah.
re: “Anak-anak orang melayu berpuasa, bersekolah dari pagi dan ada yang terus belajar pengajian Islam sebelah petang samapai jam 5-6 petang tapi masih berpuasa – mereka tak komplain lapar, kelas sesak dsbgnya dan mereka ini lah orang yang menang.”
Lepas tu, anak-anak orang India yang tidak bersahur itu juga bersekolah dari pagi dan ada yang terus ko-k sebelah petang samapai jam 5-6 petang tapi masih belum makan kerana kantin langsung tidak buka – mereka mungkin komplain lapar tetapi apakan daya asalkan para ibubapa yang sewaktu dengan din.audi berpuashati.
re “Kami orang Cina tidak menuntut kamu mengikut cara kami, iaitu memegang colok.”
I also didnt say you to puasa. I was expecting more mature answer from you and not a childish like this one. Bahasanya adalah please compare those adults (provocateurs) with full belly with those young kids and the muslims who are fasting in that school. At least that adults can think rightfully before condemning and making fuss by consulting with the school admin. What kind behaviour of people who like seeking solutions from general public? Let say if they found their house was ransacked what would they do? Would they ask the public via facebook to help find the culprit? or directly consult and report to police? Which one??? definitely, this proven their arrogant, racist and ill behaviour towards general society.
re “Their parents have said that the claim of “since March” is a lie.”
Why you believed with the parents? The school has said students can use the room in addition to the canteen area since March. That students may never use the room before puasa time eventhough they were allowed to use it. They might chose to sit in canteen maybe. My take here is that, only the puasa time they started to use it that making them feel irked whereby many other students have used it since March.
re”Ya lah. Macam Ridhuan Tee kata, “makan minum dalam tandas sekalipun perkara biasa”. ”
Satu lagi ini yang nak tergelak. Saya sudah baca blog Dr RT. Saya rasa ini ayat tambahan yang sengaja ditambah tambah, sama jugak dgn 3 captions di atas. Betul ke atau di terjemahkan mengikut selera hati Cik Helen?
Apa yang dapat saya simpulkan DR RT menyatakan orang -orang yang komplain ni kalau merokok didalam tandas pun tak jadi masalah, kalau mereka makan minum di bilik persalinan yang disebelah tandas pun tak jadi hal dan sememang nya perkara biasa (dirujuk kemudahan yang ada di kebanyakan hotel). Kerana ada yang makan dan minum disitu sebelum swimming ka atau main sport ka (Mereka tak pulak komplain kepada public melalui facebook, atau paling sopan komplain kpd management hotel? spt mana mereka komplain sekarang ni tentang sekolah tu.)
Pada saya, Cik Helen ni suka blow out something yang tak betul. Mana boleh ini macam. Think positively Cik Helen.
re: “please compare those adults (provocateurs) with full belly with those young kids and the muslims who are fasting in that school”
Why not compare apples with apples, kids with kids? There are maybe half a dozen to a bit less than one dozen young Indian pupils in the series of Facebook photos. Compare lah their plight of having to take their meals in an unventilated, smelly (they complain) room next to the toilet.
re: “What kind behaviour of people who like seeking solutions from general public?”
The behaviour that is prompted by the behaviour of some of the hardline commenters here who are purportedly Muslims/Malays. Remember, for very action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
re: “Would they ask the public via facebook to help find the culprit? or directly consult and report to police?”
There have already been 18 (maybe more by now) police reports.
re: “Which one??? definitely, this proven their arrogant, racist and ill behaviour towards general society.”
And some on the reader comments here on the controversy are not arrogant or racist, meh?
re “Their parents have said that the claim of “since March” is a lie.” Why you believed with the parents?
Why you believe the headmaster?
re: “Saya sudah baca blog Dr RT. Saya rasa ini ayat tambahan yang sengaja ditambah tambah, sama jugak dgn 3 captions di atas. Betul ke atau di terjemahkan mengikut selera hati Cik Helen?”
Hullo. I already provided the link to his article in Berita Harian. You go and read yourself first lah before you buat tuduh-tuduh kat I di sini.
re: “Think positively Cik Helen.”
Why don’t you think positively yourself? If you find that looking at non-Muslims eating to be a dugaan, then successfully overcoming the godaan will bring you more pahala for your puasa.
So why such negative behaviour like preventing little non-Muslim kids who did not bersahur from using the canteen (and since the canteen is closed, they are unable to buy food during recess).
“Jelas ianya perbuatan Noh Omar yang berbaur perkauman pro-guru besar Melayu dan anti ibubapa India itu.”
– Tapi Helen tidak pula secara terbuka mengutuk posting rasis ibubapa pelajar tersebut selama ni. Seperti pro-ibubapa terbabit membabi buta adalah
– Memanglah Noh Omar tu selama ni tah apa2, tapi dgn menghalakan seluruh kesalahan kepada sekolah tersebut pun tindakan yang tidak adil juga.
Kantin tu ditutup sbb sdg dibaiki dan merbahaya digunakan. Kau fahamkah? mmg ko ni mmbuat hal!
Berapa hari diperlukan untuk mengganti satu pintu? kau tau kira kah? mmg ko ni bebal lah.
Kalau ada reno yang lebih daripada itu, biar ditunjuk invoice-nya oleh kontraktor.
Yalah, ini gambar kantin yang dikatakan sedang direnovasi atau dibaiki…
Hiasan semua ada. Meja dan kerusi ada. Bahan binaan tiada.
Sidia yang kompen tempat makan sekolah ni kalau dalam kapalterbang (kena pula dapat seat nearest the jamban) duk tengah makan, rasa2 dia mengamok tak kalau pax masuk nak berak?
Kalau dalam kapalterbang – katakan penerbangan 10 jam – berapa kali akan penumpang dihidangkan makanan oleh pramugari?
Dan seseorang itu mungkin naik flight berapa kali dalam sebulan?
Ini, kononnya, ikut cerita guru besar, ramai bebudak dok duduk dalam bilik persalinan itu sepanjang bulan Mac (31 hari), bulan April (30 hari), bulan Mei (31 hari), bulan Jun (30 hari) dan bulan Julai …
Why are some people accusing Helen of being pro Opposition ? It pointless personalizing this issue. Helen is not a stand in for the Chinese community anymore then the HM is for the Malay community.
If there are racial or religious undertones to this story it should be explored. Burying it is not going to help anyone.
As for the so called racist docs, apparently “The Health Ministry did not detect any element of racism in its investigation into complaints of allegedly racist doctors in Penang over their “refusal” to treat Malay patients.”
But want I really want to know, is why the hell was the HM taking pictures of little kids ?
Conrad, you admit they are only racial undertones. Where is the proof that it is more than that?
You are only looking at one facet of the story. You ask why the hell the HM is taking pictures, but why don’t you ask why the parent took pictures of the kids in the changing room in the first place, and post on facebook? Is there a law against taking innocuous pictures?
The complainants against the alleged racist docs went through the proper channels. They used due process. Had they taken hidden videos and recordings of their interactions with the alleged racist docs, and then posted on the internet for public to make rush judgements, and perhaps draw national and international attention, then it would have been a problem. Some would even consider such a course of action as seditious.
On the other hand, the Indian lady did not put in due diligence to complain against the school, HM or education ministry. She let Facebook make the judgement.
Also, do you think that if the education ministry were to investigate school canteen matter, they would determine the HM to be racist? They would most likely come to a conclusion like the health ministry in the alleged racist doctor case.
It’s hard to prove overt racism.
Jampi, I am very careful with my choice of words. I put it down to a Jesuit education. I said “if”.
The parent taking pictures was a very deliberate act of pointing to an alleged act of racism. I am wondering why the HM in the eye of the storm would want to take pictures esp after there have been allegations of threats made against the students who made the complaint. There is nothing innocuous about taking pictures when it comes to this particular situation.
Actually the complaints made against the racist docs was done by a UMNO politician and then when pressed he wheeled out the so called complainants, which is when the Ministry of Health stepped in. The whole thing was played out in the press and had explicit political motives.
Making a complaint on facebook is not an appropriate forum but these things happen everyday in this country. Allegations are made on social media all the time and they are investigated or not depending on political will. in fact in the racist doctors case I would argue that there was no due diligence. However even then when we have no official body to report alleged acts of racism, “due diligence” is red hearing.
I have no idea how the findings of the Education Ministry will turn out. It is extremely easy to prove overt racism. There have been many occasions where HM’s have indulged in racists speech and the like.
Subtle racisms or the words of crypto racists is perhaps more difficult to prove. These days though in the Malaysian context, people seem to not mind being called “racists” or assume that racialism and racism is interchangeable.
I define overt racism, in this context, as denying medical service or assigning different places for eating (not harmful to one’s health) based on racial considerations. Certainly anyone accused of such ‘overt’ racism would deny there was racism involved.
Sure they would deny it but what exactly is your point ?
In a country where the sedition laws has defined “racism” in various different context, the question of a definition of racism acceptable to all, is moot.
If definition of racism is moot then why even argue this issue?
My my, Conrad, you are just Helen using another Username.
I am not the one who is arguing the issue, jampi. I am not even accusing the HM of racism. You are the one who is getting excited and bringing racism into this issue.
I am glad you agree that posting on Facebook is not appropriate. I am also glad that those who think it is ok to post pics of bak kut teh for iftar are prosecuted under laws of sedition, just to set an example.
I don’t think it is a stretch to consider some blogs as seditious. Papagomo was punished. Is this blog committing sedition by continuing to harp on this non-issue? Helens defense that she is highlighting the plight, and it is mainly an Indian issue (as only one student is Chinese). The fact she highlights the students’ races strikes me as racist , albeit in a positive form of racism.
Remember, a true DAP member, based on their rhetoric, doesn’t believe race even exists. So this proves Helen isn’t a true DAP member.
Quote Jampi [So this proves Helen isn’t a true DAP member.]
Have you beem going around telling people you are a DAP member?? Confused lah. Dun tell me your member card personally siged by the Iguana. Kakakaka
I have never had anything to do with the DAP.
I assumed that Jampi had simply made a rhetorical statement.
My family and I proudly announce we are UMNO, dulu, sekarang dan selama2nya. We even fly huge BN flags on our rooftops last GE13. We are committed dlm perjuangan kami. What is there to hide? Our w/end home was used as Bilik Gerak kawasan… to us memang seronok hidup bermasyarakatan, young and old so involved and committed.
Yes around me the business community (Chinese) are all with DAP, tapi when MCA organize makan, you will see their faces, family and all rushing for food like madmen, siap tapau lagi.
Next day they will be chiding MCA. Talam dua muka, really filthy way of life as they know 95% of their regulars customers are BN supporters – takut terjejas business mereka. But the ABC is slowly seeping in as finally, collectively they have shown us their true colors.
Re: “Is this blog committing sedition by continuing to harp on this non-issue?”
Why do you think this is a non issue ? Right now we have another HM accused of uttering racists comments to Indians, Malays, and Chinese students. There is a pattern where these kinds of situations crop up regularly in our schools.
Helen as far as I can tell has not accused the HM of being “racist” but is merely exploring the situation and raising extremely relevant questions.
The fact that these questions make certain people uncomfortable says a lot.
Re: “Remember, a true DAP member, based on their rhetoric, doesn’t believe race even exists.”
Incorrect. Based on their rhetoric they believe that race does not matter. Their actions with regards to their rhetoric displays their hypocrisy.
Helen on the other has never made that claim hence bringing up the race of the students in entirely within her philosophical outlook.
I get that sneaking in the word “racist” albeit in a supposedly “positive” manner points to the ambiguity of the word but it is unnecessary if one can rebut her arguments instead of creating straw men.
This is not about creating straw men. This is about defining what exactly is the issue. Is it about discrimination? Is it about racial segregation? Is it about religious segregation?
Why is helen so passionate and pissed about this school canteen issue. It is minor in the grand scheme of things.
Why hasn’t she buried this post already?
The latest controversy is about the case of Maznah Yusof performing crazy things like mimicking religious rituals with her dogs and breaking fast with them. Is that a non-issue? Is that racial? Why hasn’t she posted something on that? Is it because the perpetrator is having a Malay sounding name and she can’t create a narrative of the ‘weak’, ‘helpless’ non-Malay/non-Muslim?
Don’t bother replying. I am not interested in reading your manipulation of arguments.
Of course it is about creating strawmen. How can you define the issue without any facts ? All we know is that the students were segregated – we should be careful of the term because it is loaded with political and religious baggage – but there are conflicting reports as to whether this was “segregation” of Non Malay/Muslim students or if involved all students, hence the term would be inappropriate and mischievous.
I assume Helen is interested in the issue because it is a hot button issue and she wishes to explore it considering that these kinds of issue have cropped up before. Why are you so interested in dismissing it ?
I consider the Yusof case an issue of freedom of expression. I am sure with acts like these there is a political and social motive – that she wants to push the boundaries when it comes to freedom of expression and Islam – but who knows ?
Why are you so against exploring narratives or against anyone who wishes to ? Why are you so intent on dismissing any issue that you feel threatens your worldview when it comes to the race and religion discourse in Malaysia ? Why are you so intolerant of discourse ?
Re: “Don’t bother replying. I am not interested in reading your manipulation of arguments”
This is an extremely childish response. You throw out numerous question, make numerous implications and question peoples motives but yet are uninterested in response or dismiss them with a strawmen. It is keeping in character with a certain type of Malaysian.
And I consider your statement “we have no official body to report alleged acts of racism” as a disingenuous assumption.
I’m sorry. Is there an official body or a specific set of anti discrimination laws (for example) that I am unaware off ?
Making police reports or running to NGO’s hardly qualifies as “official bodies” dedicated to investigating racist claims.
Then why did the mother of the non-muslim girl not make the police report before posting on Facebook, Conrad?
There is absolutely no point in arguing with people like you.
No wonder the stereotypes of your people persist.
I have no idea. Perhaps she realized that people are always making police reports and most times nothing comes of it. You are aware of the numerous reports filed by the Establishment and Opposition with regards to a wide range of issues, aren’t you ?
Perhaps she thought that this was the way to go to get public attention. Why didn’t the UMNO politician make a police report wrt to the “racist doctors” and not make a statement in Parliament ?
Again with the “you” nonsense. What it is with partisans and righteous pleadings. I doubt very much I am a stereotype but with every post you demonstrate that you are nothing more than a partisan hack, interested on in discussion when your views are not challenged and you can spout any nonsense so long as it bolster your agenda.
I at times have my doubts about Helen Ang. Wasn’t she the one who accused of STL being a scissorati? Selalunya orang yang suka tuduh menuduh tu sebenarnya yang guilty of the wrongdoings. For example, DAP masters have accused UMNO of practicing corruption, cronyism and racism but in actual fact they are guilty of the same thing, even worst than UMNO.
The fact of the matter is both Helen Ang and STL blogs are read by mostly Malays but both of the blog owners are Chinese. As such, we, the Malays have to be very cautious when reading their blogs and to take them with tons and tons of salt!
Go right ahead — compare.
My blog is operated by a known (can be publicly identified) individual. I answer all your (readers’) queries in a very active and interactive discussion forum.
Do you know who STL is, what STL looks like or even whether STL is a man or woman / men or women? (I agree that STL is Chinese).
Has STL ever ventured even once into the Comments section to comment as web admin?
re: “Selalunya orang yang suka tuduh menuduh tu sebenarnya yang guilty of the wrongdoings.”
Aren’t you accusing me now? I publish all the readers’ unfounded allegations – even the most outrageous and baseless ones (from others, the cyber operatives but I don’t consider you to be one). And I reply with reason.
re: “The fact of the matter is both Helen Ang and STL blogs are read by mostly Malays”
Ask yourself what is the motive of STL running such a shadowy, sinister blog that is read mostly by Malays.
I write in Malay and my blog bahasa pengantar is formatted in Malay.
It’s clear that I engage Malay readers, I ask you all questions on what you think about certain hot button issues (i.e. I solicit opinion and feedback), I argue with you all but I agree on some things.
My blog is cohesive and reflecting the ideas that I explore or certain points I want to make to the extent of being overly persistent. Can you detect any cohesion in STL (besides its political agenda) or that STL cares about any particular pet idea or pet project?
So you tell me lah. STL has never published in BM. What is STL’s motive for entering blogosphere? Surely not for the purpose of engaging the Malay crowd like my blog does.
What do its contents reflect? Answer: Anti-DAP material. Where can STL have gotten its insider knowledge and info? Answer: MCA and The J-Star.
In fact I every much hope that the national security apparatus that’s investing the RBA would also investigate STL at the same time, considering all the slander that is being posted there.
Compare the Wild, Wild West “readers” comments in STL and in my blog. Beza langit dengan bumi. Which blog is the one with credibility?
You replied to my post at 5:09 am. You tak tidur ke? Anyhow, my late dad who’s half-Chinese often reminded us (my siblings and I) to not ever trust the Chinese. He even advised us to ensure that our next door neighbors were not Chinese. According to him, the Chinese race were only nice to us the Malays because they wanted something from us. Well, during his youth he had a lot of interactions with the Chinese and besides English and Malay, he also proficient in Cantonese and Hokkien.
So, you cannot blame me for being suspicious!
re: “So, you cannot blame me for being suspicious!”
That’s okay. Your comment speaks for itself.
“the Chinese race were only nice to us the Malays because they wanted something from us.”
You are right, Anon, this Chinese in me wants all Malaysian Malays to wake up and become smarter before the mamak bumiputeras hijack more of your rights and label you “LAZY and STUPID”.
Anon, you are right to have doubts. These people feed their own stereotype.
Anak I buat medic kat Czech Republic, you tau tak Muslim students solat kat mana? Kepit sejadah kat ketiak, nak sembahyang cepat2 bentang sejadah tu kat corridor near staircases saja (students lalu lalang).
I think the non Muslims mengada2 sangat le kat Negara ini!!
re: “I think the non Muslims mengada2 sangat le kat Negara ini!!”
Kenapa “the non Muslims mengada2 sangat” walhal sesebuah kantin itu tempat yang sepatutnya untuk makan?
Kenapa Muslim mahu menegah budak-budak kecil yang bukan Islam, dan bagi mereka puasa itu bukan satu bentuk ibadah yang dituntut agama mereka, daripada menggunakan kemudahan di sekolah yang sememangnya disediakan khusus untuk tujuan tersebut?
Lu ni helen dr dulu saya dah was-was…… tp now sy realized you are 1 of 1000 mother of red bean army….. your kaum mmg perangai gunting dlm lipatan……. sbb itu org melayu x akan percaya sama lu olang la Ah Soo….. hodoh la perangai lu olang sebab lu olang tamak haloba…..
Oh, kalau kejap tak sehaluan pendapat dah kena maki-hamun dan dilemparkan tohmahan?
Sabar je lah Helen…
Itu lah yang saya pelik dengan diorang ni… kalau dah tak sehaluan je terus nak maki hamun…. tak boleh nak terima perbezaan pendapat langsung…
Kalau ikut logik you Helen, kenapa perlu adakan tandas asing untuk perempuan dan lelaki? Bukankah tandas tempat tiap makluk dalam dunia ini nak berak dan kencing kenapa perlu diasingkan? Why the need for all the peraturan? Is this not a form of gender discrimination?
Kecuali kalau siPolan itu baru keluar dari hutan (kencing dan berak bawah pokok merata) dia memang akan rasa ganjil dan tak faham selok belok cara mengguna tandas awam dan insist nak juga masuk mana dia suka.
Lebih kurang macam ni le fiasco kantin sekolah ni!
Nak tanya sikit SJKC/T ada sediakan makanan “Halal” khas untuk pelajar Muslim di kantin2 mereka tak? Kalau ada tolong senaraikan sini, I nak pi inspect the kantin.
SRJK (T) practically 100% Indian.
As for your SRJK (C) question, it’s valid that you ask. However I dunno the answer. There are 10,000 schools in Malaysia.
There are many Muslim students in SJKC (4 of my younger siblings and today anak2 sister I pun belajar situ). We never questiond the schools as kita faham majoriti disitu adalah bukan Islam, so we adjust our ways accordingly.
Bawa bekal atau pun tak payah makan for 6 long years. Even my kids attended Chinese Tabika, Umur 5tahun pun dah dilatih tak perlu join kawan2 makan (pasal sure tak halal)..
And this 40 or so non Muslims kat sekolah malang ini, jadi heboh sampai keIndonesia Kompas… kenapa sampai riuh satu Asean macam ni sekali Helen?
Kalau dah seronok semua orang nak gila rasis sangat ayuh kita sama-sama merisik layanan yang diberi dikantin Sekolah2 Jenis Kebangsaan dimana ujud pelajar2 Islam.
betul tu RINA…
Itu yang jadi masalahnya dengan NONs kat Malaysia ni…..”we adjust accordingly”….things that aint a big matter…aint a big matter…
Sayangnya dalam kamus diorang ni tak ada “we adjust accordingly”…..
Yang peliknya kat sini (Aussie) boleh pulak puak puak ni…..
The truth is there is no such thing as win win situation…there is only toleration where one gain a bit and lose a bit…
“Yang peliknya kat sini (Aussie) boleh pulak puak puak ni…..”
Betul tu plus tak berani ANGKAT MUKA langsung dia orang… kalau kena harass cepat-cepat mengaku Malaysian (sebab takut dianggap Mainland Chinese) tapi negara ni lah dia orang kutuk macam tiada hari esoknya.
re: “kenapa perlu adakan tandas asing untuk perempuan dan lelaki?”
Up to you lah Rina if you wanna use the Gents. The plus side is that the queue is usually shorter there.
Helen selalu masuk ke?
You brought up the idea of mixed toilets ma. Can see from our Ladies snaking queue that the other side is not congested.
hahahahaha! tension baca komen yang saya rasa agak ‘serius’…tapi sampai sini…tergolak den!
“Why are some people accusing Helen of being pro Opposition ? It pointless personalizing this issue. Helen is not a stand in for the Chinese community anymore then the HM is for the Malay community.”
This is an inevitable byproduct from the anti-Chinese hysteria whipped up by UMNO and Perkasa after the elections. The UMNO supporters even target their own allies for the sake of lashing out at anyone that is Chinese. Helen differs on an issue regarding a school canteen and readers here accuse her of being an Opposition mole or showing her true colours.
And this hysteria easily spills over to the Indians, to which they hold deep-seated feelings against. Observe how there are more comments on articles about the canteen affair at the far fringe UMNO blogs. And as expected, cries of ‘keling’, ‘ular’, ‘pariah’, ‘estate’, ‘balik India’ are tossed around.
Helen Ang yang dihormati,
Ini pendapat saya. Guru adalah golongan yang dihormati dan dimuliakan dalam masyarakat Melayu, Cina dan juga India. Mereka juga manusia biasa tetapi kita dididik untuk menghormati mereka kerana mereka ada jasa kepada kita.Guru banyak berkorban untuk melihat anak murid berjaya disamping menjaga kebajikan mereka. Tambahan guru besar tersebut sudah tua dan sudah lama menabur jasa. Tugas itu merupakan amanah yang amat berat.
Kita semua ada pilihan untuk menyelesaikan masalah ini dengan budipekerti yang baik. kalau kita mengambil cara negatif sudah tentu hasilnya negatif juga. anak-anak melihat bagaimana kita melayani guru-guru mereka. Sangat menyedihkan.
Ibu-bapa ada saluran PIBG untuk menyuarakan suara dan keprihatinan mereka malah boleh berjumpa terus guru besar untuk mencari jalan penyelesaian bersama. Bukankah itu budaya kita? ramai ibu bapa mengabaikan peranan mereka dalam PIBG malah tidak berminat menghadiri mesyuarat PIBG.
Terlajak perahu boleh diundur, terlajak kata buruk padahnya. Pada zaman ini nilai-nilai kemanusian sudah semakin kurang. Kalau kita bersalah atau tersilap langkah , meminta maaf sudah tidak memadai. Akhirnya kita takut untuk mengakui kesilapan . adakah kita sanggup dan tergamak memusnahkan hidup seseorang hanya kerana mempertahankan pendapat kita. Kalaupun kita rasa berada dipihak yang benar, apa salahnya kita mengalah demi keharmonian. tapi nampaknya dengan kewujudan pihak-pihak tertentu yang ada maksud tersembunyi, orang yang naif mudah menjadi mangsa.
Tuhan, selamatkanlah orang-orang yang teraniaya dan bukakanlah hati-hati kami untuk berdamai dan lindungilah kami rakyat Malaysia dari orang-orang yang berniat jahat.
I’m cool with your comment.
Just one thing, re: “adakah kita sanggup dan tergamak memusnahkan hidup seseorang hanya kerana mempertahankan pendapat kita”
Some people bermati-matian mempertahankan guru besar tu sampai nampak macam nak berperang.
Have they all given any thought to the affected children and their parents?
To how their actions will impact on the national education system? Looking at the public reaction from the Malays now, how many non-Malay parents in general akan yakin untuk menghantar anak mereka ke SK?
Have they thought about how their support for the HM also reflects the shortcomings of the Education Ministry personnel involved in the setting up of the school, and as I’ve said in my article, on the architect who designed the building and its canteen.
It’s a slur on his professional reputation. He designed the school for x number of pupils but the implication is that he did such a shoddy job that he can’t even get the canteen size right. It’s like the infamous Kancil carpark where the design was so bad that only Kancil-sized cars can navigate and park in it. The carpark had to be demolished due to the flawed design. You can google this news story.
Saya bekas guru yang telah bersara. Saya nampak masalah ini dimulakan oleh ibu bapa yang mengambil gambar pelajar yang makan dalam bilik persalinan.
Sekiranya mereka tidak berpuas hati, kenapa tidak bincang dengan GB? Kalau GB tidak layan pergi ke PPD dan JPN. Terus pergi ke Kementerian Pelajaran kalau mereka masih buat tidak peduli!
Berdasarkan pemahaman saya, mereka tidak berbuat demikian. Mereka terus menggembar gemburkan di alam maya. Apa tujuan mereka berbuat demikian? Untuk mendapat simpati?
Akibatnya perkara kecil yang begitu mudah diselesaikan menjadi besar! Mereka sedar ramai orang akan bersimpati dengan mereka. Tapi jangan lupa tidak kurang juga yang ‘membantai’ mereka!
Secara kebetulan dua pihak yang bertentangan ini berlaianan kaum. Mungkin kalau dari satu kaum, isu ini tidak akan jadi hangat. Sekiranya tidak dicegah boleh menjadi isu perkauman.
Perbuatan GB mengambil gambar pelajar pelajar tersebut kurang bijaksana. Tapi siapakah yang mulakan dahulu dan kemudian disebarkan di alam maya? GB itu adalah manusaia biasa
Jangan terlalu marahkan Noh Omar. Dia orang politik. Pemilihan UNMO tidak lama lagi! Bagaimana pula dengan komen awal Kamalanathan? Tidakkah reaksi awal berbau perkauman?
Sedangkan dia adalah Tim.Menteri Pendidikan. Jabatan yang dihentam, adalah di bawah kementeriannya!
Saya teringat zaman zaman ketika masih lagi bertugas. Sekolah memang jadi sasaran ibu bapa. Ada yang betul, banyak juga yang salah.
Sebagai ketua, GB/Pengetua yang bijak mereka akan dengar semua aduan ibu bapa. Mereka akan cuba menenangkan keadaan dan menjelaskan mana yang perlu.
Sepanjang pengalaman saya, GB/Pengetua tidak akan ‘mengumpat’ guru gurunya di hadapan ibu bapa dan masyarakat. Tapi siap, kalau memang guru/staf sokongan itu salah.. Mereka akan di’belasah’ kaw, kaw di bilik GB/Pengetua atau semasa mesyuarat guru.
Helen seorang yang rasional kurang menyerlah dalam isu ini, malah ada kadang kala menjadi penguam bela!
Sebagai bekas guru saya, Kesihan GB ini!
HA the canteen was closed since MARCH.
Most Non Malay parents especially the Chinese have for a very very long time chose not to send their children to SK.
It may be a mistake of the JKR or the architect for not ensuring/designing the school canteen to its supposed capacity…
It is a mistake..but that doesnt mean that they are incompetence…its just a mistake…trust me…competence people make mistake too…
If for some reason you become an architect, you will realize that you would have made mistake in almost every project that you involve….if you become the JKR, then you will realise there is always something that you have missed or an oversight…
Having work in construction industry for so long….I know that it is littered with mistake….its just whether its big or small….
Is this the sort of mistake you would consider big or small? Would you “crucify” the JKR, Architect, or the HM for this sort of mistake?
No, I’m putting forward a dilemma:
If some people want to bermati-matian memperjuangkan guru besar tu, then making the HM faultless would in tandem make the architect “wrong” (or like you said, he made a mistake when designed the canteen).
I think It doesnt have to be a dilemma…it doesnt have to be one or the other…It might have well been the mistakes of all three (or more…err… definitely more) “peoples” involved.
And multiple chain of mistakes is the one mistake that causes most of the catastrophe!
1. The architect/JKR made mistake in the design or construction process by not designing the “right” capacity canteen.
2. Now the HM with overflown canteen decided to use the “toilet” nearby or some would say “a shower room with emphasize on toilet nearby :)”, as an additional “canteen”. Then come Ramadhan, decided to close the whole canteen for some small renovation and continue the use of the “toilet”.
3. The Guneswari (hope get her name right) decided to post that over stretch and highly flammable remark…
And the vicious cycle continues…..
Some here pointed out that I kept going on in circle…..The truth is I believe we have been doing so for years since 2008…
The pivot point of issue might be different i.e “the toilet canteen Saga, the Alvin Vivian Halal Bak Kut Teh, the SIti Insyah, The Cow Head Marched, the Fxxkmewee” and so on and so forth….
Underneath all these issues I see the same line of argument, be it from the Malay or the Nons side…and it kept on recycling itself over the years…
Agree with you about the Recyle and Vicious Circle.
The photo shows the toilet to be next door more or less.
This is to be fair to GB sekolah malang ini yang dihina dan dikejamkan begitu sekali kerana dituduh rasis dan tidak bertanggung jawab dalam hal penyediaan kemudahan kantin untuk murid2 non Muslim – mai kita sama2 tinjau apakah kemudahan yang diberi oleh GB SJKCs kepada murid2 Islam mereka dikantin.
Mungkin GB sekolah malang serta arkitek2 JKR boleh belajar tahap professiolisma cara GM SJKCs duk handle their kantin issues selama ini.
Sementara itu bole tak I bawa team inspect the premis serta certificate “halal” kantin sekolah tu…
yelah habis yg sebelah sana pun bermati-matian smp bg death threat, pegi sekolah merusuh, buat fitnah dlm social media. so u expect GB tu to die alone? kalau ya pun dia salah perlu ke sampai nak bunuh2? dah makin gila Malaysia ni agaknya. semua benda nak selesai cara kasar. sori helen, im not with you on this one.
Helen and team,
Cikgu fikir isu ini dah habis dan kita sama2 boleh teruskan usaha bina negara. Tidak perlulah masing-masing beremosi dan mencari salah.
Helen kena Bagi tahu pemimpin kaum India dan si Kumancan Veeriah- pergilah diskus dan selesaikan masalah dgn GB dan PIBG serta wakil PPD. Duduk semeja dan diskus. Respectlah GB. Mungkin sebab GB Melayu, maka kita nak hentam dia habis2an tanpa ada sifat pemaaf.
Bagilah cadangan dan bantu GB raise fund utk bina kantin sekolah TERBESAR di Msia. Minta billionaire India macam Ananda Krishnan to fully sponsor the BIGGEST canteen atau ambil sikit duit sponsorship Kelab QPR Antony Fernandes AIrASia. Lebih baik duit AIrASia bantu sekolah2 Kerajaan dari sponsor EPL.
Dunia ni tak kan aman kalau kita asik nak gaduuuuh aje. Perkara kecil selesaikanlah utk menjamin keselamatan dan ketenteraman awam serta kemakmuran Malaysia (Tanah Melayu).
I whole-heartedly agree with what you wrote.
Unfortunately, for reasons beyond my comprehension, Helen refuses to see the issue that way.
I thought Helen’s a pragmatic, reasonable and down-to-earth person, but her obstinacy to prolong this issue really puzzles me.
I asked her what she wanted out of this issue, but she refused to comment.
Yeah…and I agree with your last para that “Dunia ni tak kan aman kalau kita asik nak gaduuuuh aje. Perkara kecil selesaikanlah utk menjamin keselamatan dan ketenteraman awam serta kemakmuran Malaysia (Tanah Melayu).” But Helen refuses to put down her gun.
setuju dengan cikgu kampong and setem. I too wonder what has happened to HA in this case.
Salute to Cikgu Kampong, Setem and fazillah,
Helen, what is past cannot be undone, let’s allow the parties concerned to solve this matter in the true Malaysian spirit.
Let’s hope they have learned from this to become wiser and be more sensitive to the feelings of fellow Malaysians.
We are all in the same sinking boat because we trusted one person and that old man betrayed us for his own greed. Let’s not play to his tune any longer.
Who is the old man? If you meant Tun Dr Mahathir you are absolutely wrong. We highly respect TDM for what he has done for the country. But if you meant Kit Siang, Kapal Singh or Nik Aziz, I agree 100%. These old geezers have done nothing for the country except a lot of bullshitting.
“We highly respect TDM for what he has done for the country.”
If you mean the North-South Highway, I agree with you 100%.
But what about Proton, Perwaja, Bakun, and others?
What he did and is still doing is more for the benefit of his mamak cronies at the expense of all other Malaysians.
He hijacked the rights of the Malays to enrich his mamak cronies who have no 2nd thoughts about labeling Malays “LAZY and STUPID”.
In his days in UMNO, he decimated the cream of UMNO leaders so that he could remain in power and now he is doing it to make way for his son. Where are the smart Malays in UMNO? Do you think he will dare to support KJ?
When the Malays were lagging behind in our then fine English Education System he did not help the Malays to catch up with their counterparts but instead choose to retard the progress of the other races so that Malaysians, especially the Malays remain forever backwards so that they will support him blindly. Smart people are a threat to his evil plans and have to be removed and/or suppressed at all cost. This has lead to the downward spiral of the standard of education in Malaysian.
He did the same thing to the Malaysian economy too, only this time to enrich his mamak cronies. How many true Malays has benefited from his policies?
In fact, he is the worst racist against Malaysians of all races, with Malays at the top of the list because he betrayed their trust.
Once again, I beg all Malays to wake up and be smarter in the name of Allah the Almighty.
Most Malays don’t like KJ aka Si Kitol. And another thing, why on earth he hires Regina Lee who is a staunch DAP supporter?
“Most Malays don’t like KJ aka Si Kitol”.
I got this from one of the blogs:-
Si Kitol lah yang berperanan sebagai dajjal menabur fitnah dan memecah belahkan orang melayu mengakibatkan kemusnahan kerajaan Melaka yang dulunya gah di seluruh pelosok dunia.
Maybe I missed the boat but can you update me on what KJ had done similar to the above that warrants you to label him thus. Meanwhile, read something real from the pen of our Bapa Kemerdekaan :-
Harris Nasril- Baca ulasan menarik tentang Tun oleh Tunku Abdul rahman dalam bukunya 13 Mei : Sebelum dan Selepas.”
Click to access 1007391.pdf
Something similar strike you? Who’s the real Si Kitol? From the way the old man operates, I can understand why you said most Malays don’t like KJ. When are you Malays going to wake to the reality that each and every of his actions are only to enrich his mamak cronies by hijacking your rights and blaming the other races for your sufferings?
“And another thing, why on earth he hires Regina Lee who is a staunch DAP supporter?”
Hahaha, for me, it would do wonders for my ego to have a person like Regina as my secretary.
On the serious side though, I cannot speak for KJ but I think dynamic people hires dynamic people and maybe he believes that she is the best person for the job. It is not for me to doubt their professionalism even though they may have differing political beliefs.
“Most Malays don’t like KJ aka Si Kitol”.
I picked this up from one of the blogs :-
Si Kitol lah yang berperanan sebagai dajjal menabur fitnah dan memecah belahkan orang melayu mengakibatkan kemusnahan kerajaan Melaka yang dulunya gah di seluruh pelosok dunia.
Maybe I missed the boat, but can you please update me on what KJ had done similar to the above that warrants you to label him thus. Meanwhile, read something real from the pen of our Bapa Kemerdekaan :-
Baca ulasan menarik tentang Tun oleh Tunku Abdul rahman dalam bukunya 13 Mei : Sebelum dan Selepas.”
Click to access 1007391.pdf
Something similar strike you? When are you Malays going to wake up and realise that each and every action of the old man is to enrich his mamak cronies by betraying your trust and hijacking your rights, at the same time blaming all the other races for your sufferings? Can it be surmised that most Malays don’t like KJ because the old man don’t like him?
And another thing, why on earth he hires Regina Lee who is a staunch DAP supporter?
Hahaha, it would do wonders to my ego to have a person like Regina as my secretary – don’t worry, it won’t happen.
On the serious side, I cannot speak for KJ but I think dynamic people hires dynamic staff and maybe he believes that she is the best candidate for the job. It is not my right to question their job professionalism although they may have differing political beliefs.
“Helen kena Bagi tahu pemimpin kaum India dan si Kumancan Veeriah- pergilah diskus dan selesaikan masalah dgn GB dan PIBG serta wakil PPD.”
Kumancan V. buat laporan polis mendakwa guru besar itu masih pergi ke sekolah walaupun disuruh bercuti, dan mengambil gambar murid India.
Kalau ini betul, ini ialah “harassment”. Kelakuan yang sepatutnya tidak senonoh daripada seorang staf pendidikan.
Kita tunggu dan lihat.
Lain kali kalau parents tak puas hati, tak perlu check dengan guru besar atau tanya PIBG,
Harap maklum semua guru besar, kamu lepas ni tak boleh buat silap sikit pun (kamu bukan blogger OK!). Siap lah kamu kalau ada pelajar bukan melayu terseksa jiwa batin. Kalau silap pun tak perlu minta maaf sebab parents tak kan puas hati pun.
PIBG lepas ni pun baik tak perlu ada.
FB dan twitter ada.
* senyum *
Terutama parents dari kaum India. Remember ‘Listen,listen, listen’ issue? Wasn’t an Indian named Bavani who uploaded a video of her being reprimanded by Sharifah in her FB that had gone viral? This Bavani turns out to be a member of PSM. I wonder what’s the real motive of this Indian parent!
Dear Helen, kesian lah dengan u. Semua orang yang rajin ke blog ini tahu di mana stand Helen vis a vis BN dan Pakatan, DAP, MCA dan UMNO dsbnya. Tapi lihatlah betapa bisanya komen-komen disini hari ini. Kes ini adalah mudah. Ianya hanya satu keputusan salah oleh seorang pengetua. Kalau lah pengetua itu meminta maaf dan memperbetulkan kesilapannya tentunya kes ini tidak membesar. Noh Omar pun satu. Statement beliau akan memungkinkan beliau menjadi pemenang utama di dalam pemilihan UMNO tahun ini. Cadangan saya kepada UMNO, kalau dah nak ambil stand sebegitu … janganlah komplen atau kata bukan-bukan kalau bangsa lain tak nak undi kita :<
mat bon kenapa GB yang salah sedangkan keputusan dibuat bersama dengan PIBG. ini bermakna parents pun tahu tentang perkara ini. Kenapa tak bantah masa mesyuarat.
There are avenues for complaint so use the right avenues. I quote Norlin binti Arshard.
Senang cerita, ini salah satu lagi cara untuk menguatkan sebab kenapa sekolah vernakular wajib ada dan dikembangkan..hidup vernakular!!!
ya, itu sebab Helen bermati-matian mahu menghidupkan isu ini supaya sekolah vernakular wajib ada sebab Helen pasti pelajar2 bukan Melayu akan ditindas di sekolah2 kerajaan.
It was not a mere teacher but a HM, a graduate, and probably with a masters degree, an educator allowing/forcing students to eat in washing/shower/changing room – such poor stewardship of students and facilities, heaping indignities on children, speaks of mediocrity, incompetence, condescending attitudes and huge gaps in his own culture.
That a number of persons have come to his defence speaks even more poorly of their education, culture and upbringing.
Now there is almost no chance of BN ever winning Selangor.
That’s one big reason why Malaysian Soccer is not getting anywhere: so much raw talent and so many needless diversions. Perhaps we don’t have the humility and the insight to set things right in the face of the obvious incapacity . . . .while intelligent opinions are showering aplenty.
You must be the same ‘temenggong’ who is a regular commentator in RPK ‘s blog. From what I can gather from your comments in RPK ‘s blog, you are an Indian, anti- Malay and anti-Islam. Therefore, your above comment doesn’t carry much water.
Cukup-cukuplah. Apakah agenda sebenar Helen untuk terus menerus memanjangkan isu mengenai SK Seri Pristina? Saya mulai curiga. Macam ada sesuatu yang tidak kena dengan beliau. Lama-lama meluat dan menyampah Dari masa ke semasa kes ini sememangnya akan membibitkan isu-isu sampingan. Biarlah pihak-pihak berwajib menanganinya. .
re: “Apakah agenda sebenar Helen untuk terus menerus memanjangkan isu mengenai SK Seri Pristina?”
Apakah agenda sebenar Noh Omar membangkitkan ugutan Akta Hasutan terhadap ibu seorang murid yang terlibat itu?
Apakah agenda sebenar guru besar menangkap gambar murid-murid bukan Melayu sekolahnya yang disyaki telah membuat aduan?
Apakah agenda sebenar penulis ruang pojok suratkhabar Melayu mengapi-apikan sentimen?
Apakah agenda sebenar pelayar-pelayar di alam maya untuk melancarkan pelbagai petisyen dan kempen?
Apakah agenda sebenar para pengomen seperti anda yang menggunakan bahasa kesat untuk menghindar isu-isu “sampingan” ditimbulkan? Adakah isu pokok hanya dibenar untuk ditentukan oleh majoriti etnik (1,375-28=) 98% Melayu sahaja?
The comments in here will go beyong 1000 comments if you answer questions with your questions, Helen.
Helen – For the last time, I call upon you to put up a topic and lay out your issues on ‘What is it Helen wants in SK Pristina issue?” and/or “Apakah agenda sebenar Helen untuk terus menerus memanjangkan isu mengenai SK Seri Pristina?”.
yes helen please answer the question. apa sebenarnya yang helen mau? jgn jwb soalan dengan soalan. akta hasutan tu sbb ibu murid dah memfitnah dalam social media. sama macam apa yg kena pd alvivi. apa masalah kalau saya GB pun saya nak tahu siapa yang mengadu pasal saya. kalau boleh selesai cara baik, kita selesai cara baik. kalau mau cara kasar, kita buat cara kasar. penulis ruang pojok suratkhabar Melayu hy respon pada kegilaan sesetengah pihak smp bg death threat pd GB. action will result in reaction. takkan yg ni pun helen x faham? begitu juga dengan pelayar2 maya yg semarakkan isu ni. isu pokok ni adalah tempat makan subtitute yg boleh diperdebatkan. tp helen pandang ini sbg isu kaum kononnya org bukan islam dipaksa makan dlm bilik persalinan padahal semua makan kat situ.
Apa yang Helen mahu? Simple, GB, tell the truth instead of lies. Why the students were deprived of their basic rights?
But some people refuse to understand. Just because the GB is a malay and the person who complained is a non malay, the complainant should be charged for sedition?
How about Zul Nordin?
We did not ask you, Shah Selamat (doubt you are a Malay).
Helen is very able to answer the questions by herself.
She does not need you to answer for her.
“How about Zul Nordin?”
There you go again..
what about the Chinese Teacher in Gelang Patah who called her Malay Students “Melayu Babi”..
What about Namawee?
What abiout Theresa Kok?
What about Karpal Sigh?
“Shah Selamat” = Try better next time if you want to pretend be a Malay.
I think you are a
Chink[edited]. Why do you hide under a Malay name? Is it because you are no more selamat in this Malay Land?
Helen, there is no point in editing his comment since he has insisted on using it. Just let him has his “orgasm” doing it.
Is Zul Nordin to be charged due to his “Hindu Video”?
If so, then I guess, hundreds more of Ustaz Ustaz PAS and other Ustaz has to go in as well….
The only thing is their video has not surfaced yet :). Or we havent recorded them.
I can vouch that this “belittling” Hindu, Tokong or 3 in 1 Christian has been going on inside many of ceramah agama and ceramah PAS (back during those days when they were not holding hand with DAP).
Many Malays Muslim (including me) do it among ourselves as well.
Of course we don’t say it in front of you guys due to “respect”.
I think it is time for all of us to stop mentioning about the school or the changing room incident again.
It has become a blame game.
From my point of view, I feel it is a minor issue only. It has already been settled. Must the head master be crucified to satisfy some politicians.
I share your point of view. But, not Helen.
I hear you and I totally agree with your list of questions. Simultaneously the opposing side has also made similar attacks.
There will be no end to it.
As I have mentioned much earlier in other posting that this case has become a “He Says, She Says” situation. Whether we like it or not, the two opposing sides have made up their mind, of which I don’t have to elaborate anymore.
Up to this point you are merely responding/reacting to both “Ultra Malay” and “Dapster” antics, while your own concern got mixed up in between the two. Correct me if I am wrong, from all you comments and responses I gather these are your issues:
1. Whether the HM did it on Purpose?
2. Whether the HM’s action is racially motivated?
3. The case has shaded some lights of the existing practice where many SK have closed the canteen during Ramadhan which in a way has deprived the right of the non-Muslim students; and you want this to be addressed.
So now, if this is the case, just forget about what the opposing sides are saying let’s hear where do you want to go from here?
re: “where do you want to go from here?”
For the moment and first things first, I’d like the authorities (in this case most likely the police) to unearth and tell us the truth.
Earlier there was another case of ‘He says, she says’, i.e. the assault, kidnap and writing “Saya musuh agama Islam” on the torso of a Chinese youth.
The police chief said it was a vigilante attack whereas the oppo people were more inclined to believe that the kidnap was merely for ransom.
I would be very, very concerned over the episode. What happened to him was chilling. But we still have Chinese who prefer to bury their heads in the sand.
In that incident, I tended to believe more in the police account of what happened. I do not have such a high level of distrust of the uniformed services as the average Chinese oppo supporter.
Second issue, the anti-Chinese sentiments are very high.
Once again, the oppo supporters (Firsters) refuse to credit this, and their distrust when the authorities (or Dr M or other veteran pollies) warn about a possible confrontation is the same as their distrust of everything else they’ve been cautioned against. They only swallow their Dapster/evangelista rosy narrative.
I consider the non-Malay opposition’s misleading of their supporters criminal.
Re. “For the moment and first things first, I’d like the authorities (in this case most likely the police) to unearth and tell us the truth.”
Agreed. Let’s the authority do their job and hear the verdict (whatever it is)
Re. “Second issue, the anti-Chinese sentiments are very high. ”
Yes indeed. I know as the 10% you are affected by it.
Re. “again, the oppo supporters (Firsters) refuse to credit this,”
It has been in their blood (This include the PAS supporters). If you remember Memali incident that’s what we will face if this is not being addressed. Only this time between races.
If any comfort to all of us, DPM has already opened his mouth about this situation i.e. Racial and Religious sensitivity issues which need to be addressed.
[I consider the non-Malay opposition’s misleading of their supporters criminal.]
I feel the same way too. Is this among the reasons why oppo is pushing hard for sedition act to be abolished? I sure think so.
I don’t know Helen … another feeling I get is we are IN a downward spiral.
It seems to me that both the Dap 3.0 and Enraged Malays are feeding each other off – just like islamophobes feeding Extremist among Muslim and vice versa.
re: “IN a downward spiral”
Yup, scary especially with the adamant in-denial that Firsters are famous for. Even bak kut teh also they can deny is pork.
re: “Enraged Malays”
Yup. They’re here on this board :)
Whatever I say will land me in the soup. Discretion is the better part of valour.
Re:”I consider the non-Malay opposition’s misleading of their supporters criminal.”
C’mon-lah Helen, don’t troll me like this :D
sementara itu orang Melayu, bersama-sama dengan orang Pakistan, Bangladesh dan lain-lain orang Islam bukan Arab beriya-iya nak jadi orang Arab.
orang Melayu dah lupa ke yang budaya orang Arab ni tiada kaitan dengan agama Islam.
tak percaya ? baca ni http://syedsoutsidethebox.blogspot.com/2013/07/memburu-arab-bungkus.html
* tepuk dahi *
out of topic laa..
If you know zilch about Islam please refrain from giving your comment and don’t rely on information from the blog that you mentioned (especially from him, I have read few of his postings fyi with regards to Islam and suffice to say only the MORON would believe him).
In Islam there is a term call “SUNNAH” meaning the way of life prescribed as normative for Muslims on the basis of the teachings and practices of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and interpretations.
All of us Muslims are encouraged to follow the Sunnah even up the point of the way dress. For instance, the men are encouraged to wear Jubah (robe) and Serban (a type of turban for Muslim), however it is optional. There are a lot of other examples ranging from the way we eat up to the bathroom; the way we sleep to the way we wake up etc.
Not all Arabic culture are Islamic, but in the same time, it is also wrong to whitewash all Arabic culture as unrelated to Islam.
Lain pula Helen Ang yg saya kenali melalui tulisan bernasnya sebelum ini…
Macam tak percaya.
Tenangkan fikiran….lapangkan dada….tenteramkan hati….
Jangan dibiarkan hati menjadi batu menjadi besi menjadi api.
fuck you lah helen !
Puasa tak hari ni Azhar?
Rasulullah s.a.w bersabda yang maksudnya: Berapa banyak orang yang berpuasa tetapi dia tidak mendapat apa-apa dari puasanya kecuali hanya lapar dan dahaga.
b) Menjaga lidah daripada berkata-kata perkara yang sia-sia, dusta, fitnah, cacai maki dan menyinggung perasaan orang lain.
ROS’ notice for re-election finally arrives, says DAP
“DAP secretary-general Lim Guan Eng yesterday criticised the ROS’ move as “an act of political vengeance and victimisation” as he speculated the agency had “clearly pre-judged and made up its mind to fix up the DAP”.”
The traffic jam at Gurney is caused by the stupid UNMO employed 1Malaysia riders riding their cheap Proton Saga and stopping by to eat nasi kandar.
There is water shortage in Selangor as the dumb UMNO schools came out with engineers who cannot understand English so they cannot supply water.
Everything must be UMNo fault.
Betul tu SETUJU SANGAT. Dia orang semua pulak bakal ahli SYURGA.
You know what Helen? You cannot eat in my house cause our toilet/shower is just like 3- 4 metres from our dining table in the kitchen and there’s no wall or anything in between. The living room not much better too – toilet/shower just 4-5 metres from main table. Nothing in between also. My other house in Shah Alam is worse- the eating table is beside the toilet cum shower. I do my eating just 2 feet from the wall of the toilet. In fact, come to think of it, you cannot eat in most of the houses in Malaysia, except of course in those big bungalows of the very rich which are mostly Chinese.
Now i feel like visiting the houses of the parents of the indians students…..
Let’s give Helen some space to be herself i.e. being Chinese and saying thing as the way she sees it ok.
Re. Now i feel like visiting the houses of the parents of the indians students
I agree with you on this,
Try the houses of the mamak bumiputeras
orang cakap pasal kantin u orang macam langsung tak tahu baca atau tak mahu dengar, asyik putar belit itu toilet.
yang pastinya…pelajar tersebut tidak akan dapat perhatian lagi dari mana2 guru. jadi baik pindah ke sekolah tamil atau cina je. itu pun belum ttu selamat.
guru2 nie kuat pegangan mereka dalam sekolah. klu ada ibu bapa buat tuduhan tanpa bukti, memang nasib la pelajar tu kalau diabaikan.
byk sgt tgk ibu bapa(tak kira kaum) klu menyerang sekolah/guru akhirnya anak sendiri yg rugi. dalam kes nie nasib la pelajar tersebut.
saya harap cikgu2 janganlah begitu terhadap murid2nya. yang salah adalah ibu bapa. budak2 ni are innocent. don’t penalise the student because of their parents.
ibu bapa tersebut sama sekali tidak akan memohon maaf kepada guru. ada kes ibu bapa terus hantar surat ke kementerian tanpa sebarang bukti. dah kantoi salah masih buat tak kisah.
kerana kebiadapan segelintir ibu bapa, anak menjadi mangsa.
goodness… I scan thru some of the comments above and boy, I was taken aback. So much racial and hatred in many of the comments.
Let’s move on to other topics. This issue has been blown out of proportion and will not be productive for all of us to spend time discussing this anymore.
The PTA should be the mediator between the HM and the parents who have lodged the complain. Let them sit down and have a heart to heart chat. cool minds. face to face. get all explanations out in a matrured and rational manner. I am sure in the end, it will be resolved amicably.
If we throw comments and judgement, without first seeking to understand or ask for clarification, this is what it ended up with.
Yesterday Noh Omar asked for sedition act to be applied to the parenst. Today LGE asked for the HM to be disciplined. See what happened? It is becoming political now.
Thanks Kak Mar. It’s okay. I’m realistic and all the exchanges provide a good barometer of the real level of hostility.
If anything untoward happens (touch wood), I’m aware that I look Chinese and I am Chinese. Always.
The bottom line is why must the head master be crucified to satisfy LGE . LGE, being a racist wants the headmaster being punished simply because he is a Malay.
It is a simple case. All students involved, not limited to non Muslim students only.
Ever heard the saying “forgive and forget.?” . let us move on.
He3…. AKu gelak jer baca semua ni…
Pelik… semua nak jadi HERO… takder yg nak jadi mediator…
Instead of one party becoming “Ultra” and the other become “anti” why cant we find somebody to go in between and call everybody and talk this out…
We are not playing badminton here and each side keep hitting the blame shuttle to the other court…
Call the parents and get the teachers to sit together… only then we can find the truth….
Personally,i think the Pristana HM is that typical Malay HM bodoh lembu that think he or she is always right and remove urinals because of some hadith palsu saying that devils take showers if men stand pissing, my HM was a bitch ustazah who despite MoE clearly states that tudung is non compulsory enforce tudung on all Malay female students, allowed the library to rot so that a surau can be built despite beung mere meters from the suburban suray, ironically all my Malay classmates except one or two now or tudungless.
I hope MoE make a guideline for the Malay headmasters to think critically and creatively.
Honestky, Id bitchslap the HM if my sister who is still in school have to eat in a bathroom or whatever room that is not the canteen.
Helen ni bila tersepit mudah saja jawapannya. Jawab soalan dengan soalan. Dia tidak akan memberi jawapan apakah agendanya. kalau selalu sangat menepis dan mengelak kita tahu apa yang tersirat. Teruskan bersandiwara Helen.
Helen janganlah cakap gitu kita manusia sama saja kulit lain lain darah sama merah….
Kamu tidak tahu apa masalah SK helen. So shut up…. Kalau tak masuk akhbar dan jadi isu takde siapa nak bagi budget utk tambah prasarana. SK anak tiri kalau nak dibandingkan dgn SJKC yg mewah.
One SJKC in Penang with foreign Chinese enrollments (Asean, Taiwan, Korean, China etc) I was told by my sis even held their schools’ meetings in BALI.
Masa anak2 I Tabika Cina dulu, bila buat pementasan tahunan, wah towkey2 naik potong riben according to colors to indicate RM50K and above, RM10K>rm50k and so on.
We can see how much they collect by just looking at the colored seating rows…
Kalau SK (was in PIBG committee for many years) nak minta derma fr parents kena dpt kelulusan sana sini dulu, nak minta sumbangan dari parents RM3 each riuh rendah during the PIBG meetings…..
…..pergi kat kilang2 towkey berdekatan they donate gula2 packets or instant noodles or beras kampit 1kg each…approach ADUN nak bagi RM2K pun kena jadi peminta sedekah kalau lucky within his already tight budget, next 2yrs dapat, itu pun serah cek kat pentas semua orang kena beri tepukan gemuruh!
Bagi le support kat SK wahai ibubapa sekelian…
Tak pasal2 blog dah jadi too racist. I like your blog coz i feel its lebih BERILMIAH … compared to some other blog. But obviously it has been tainted or contaminated with unnecessary commenter lately. Pada pengomen-pengomen diatas tu, pls lah be more matured and jangan guna kata-kata nista kat sini. Ini blog Helen. Dia tuan tanah…! Kalau tak suka jgn baca … senang jer … kalau nak berhujah pun .. berhujah lah dgn bernas … nanti dah jadi tak seronok nak baca. Keep it up Helen … DAP pun dia hentam (even sometimes i dun agree with you) UMNO pun dia hentam … semua dia hantam …. its your right kan …. Melayu dia hantam Cina pun dia hantam jugak …. janganlah melatah ….
Its ok Helen , if you bertanding kawasan PJ Utara sure i vote for you ….
Just nak tanya Helen …..
If the HM is a Chinese, will you do the same thing ….?
That is a very good question!
masih belum ada jawapan…..
ABC dan BCL….
I fully support ABC (Asal Bukan Cina) & BCL (Buy Chinese Last)
All the Malay/Muslims should support!
my cousin work in sogo selling not made in malaysia shoe told me malay patron buy at least few pairs unlike the poor chinese who could afford not more than 2, she loves malay customer more than her husband but of course not the type that try 10, but no buy cheapskate.
I have been living in the US for so many years and yet not even once I experience racism both from Whites as well as Blacks. But I faced racism in my own country. On May 5, after casting our votes in TTDI, my older sis and I went to the Curve. The parking lot was full so we waited and parked behind a car belonged to a Malay family. Then came a young Chinese couple and the girl approached us offering their parking spot to us instead of the Malay family who had been waiting longer than us. It dawned on us that the Chinese couple thought us being Chinese (my sis looks more Chinese than me) and that’s the reason for them offering us the parking spot over the Malay family. After they left, we let the Malay family have the parking spot as it was the right thing to do.
We went to shoe outlet and came a Chinese lady (I presumed the owner) speaking Chinese to us. I told her “We are Malays, not Chinese”. She said “Oh! You look like Chinese”. I said “Yes, we may look like Chinese but we are Melayus! Do you have any problems with that?” She mumbled something in Chinese and asked her assistant (a Chinese) to entertain us. At that point, we had already decided not to buy anything from that store. But before we left, each of us tried 10 pairs of shoes just to teach them a lesson.
The nons and also the Malays should read RPK’s latest post titled ‘Malaysian politics of the future’ which touch on the importance of 3Rs: race, religion and royalty. If the nons challege the 3Rs, we, the Malays also challenge the validity of the nons’ stay in this country. I don’t know whether we, Malaysians, may again live harmoniously like before. But are we willing to try?
[Quote: If the nons challege the 3Rs, we, the Malays also challenge the validity of the nons’ stay in this country. ]
One would thought your years of staying in a enlightening racism free (your words) USA would prompt you to champion equality but instead, you chose to go all ballistic on your own country’s minority.
If US is so great why not propel to emulate their kind of equality for all?
HH : “If US is so great why not propel to emulate their kind of equality for all?”
Do you mean emulating the US like introducing Chinese Exclusion Act in our constitution just like the American did?
i think hh mean to emulate this “On June 18, the U.S. House of Representatives voted unanimously to pass an apology in legislative form for the Chinese Exclusion Act passed in 1882.”
but of course shd u have been living in the no racism america, u will be very exciting to read “Oklahomans have a plan to save the country. It doesn’t address the reverberations of the financial crisis or outline a way to pay for social services on a limited budget. Instead, they’ve fashioned a “preemptive strike” against Islamic law in the United States.” n the same go to florida texas….now go find a shoe outlet own by chinese to celebrate the preempt move by the greatest country of the world.
Only after 200 ++ years did they realized it was a discrimination to the ethnic Chinese? It proves that Tanah Melayu is more advance in granting immigration rights to the non Malay. Not only Jus Sanguinis, Jus Soli also has been taken as criteria in granting the immigrants rights to become citizens before merdeka.
HH never meant that. He sincerely admitted that he never knew such law exists in his comment below.. pls don’t put ur words in other people mouth.
For the Shari’ah law.. it’ll eventually find its way in America.. just like it did to Europe, India, Turkey & Nusantara.. you can see it by the way Oklahoman stressfully trying to push the panic button.. It’s really a good news to see them panic. It proves that they are doing the mathematics of probability and sense something big is coming.
What wrong of buying shoes from Chinese owned outlet? Don’t be such a racist. My great grandpa also a Chinese from Kwan Tung. Islam never forbids me to engage with any of the business communities unless they are posing threats to Islam.
that is y i live in msia, study here n cari makan here, i dont live in the “not even once i experience racism” america, so what exactly is yr point? parrot me ka?
i said ‘i think’, hh only clarify later, u tak tahu baca atau dyscalculia problem? n dun put words in my mouth la, when did i claim is wrong to buy shoe from chinese? btw, who is yr grandpa and attend what ama cam uni are of absolutely no consequence to me. so if you could pls keep it to yourself.
whatever la HY.. as long as u are happy here.. nobody’s going to bother u unless u r bothering everybody else..
good call. we want our kids to attend vernacular school for at least 6 years, so stop borthering us.
I’ve never heard of this Act before but a simple google search could do wonders.
You, the learned one, threw this at me knowing quite well it was… “Quote Wiki: repealed by the Magnuson Act on December 17, 1943.”
Yep, Wiki stated there seems to be some kind of discrimination by the US with regards to Chinese immigration. BUt my learned one, the keyword is “IMMIGRATION”.
Does not matter where your forefathers come from, if you are born in the States, you are embraced as its own and guaranteed, life, liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness as enshrined in their Declaration of Independence. Nobody can tell you to balik nor give you constant reminder to know your place because your forefathers were allowed here by grace.
Thanks HH for highlighting it.. the fact that the repealed the law by Magnuson Act doesn’t erase the fact that there is such law survives in American Constitution for hundred of years..
Quote HH : The key word is ‘IMMIGRATION’
Wow.. thanks HH.. now that’s explain why millions of them ended up here in Tanah Melayu rather than the States.
I was not a racist before. I was not even aware of the Malaysian political scenario until both my sisters told me to read political blogs in late last year. So much hatred have been hauled against the Malays and Muslims in cyber space especially from the Chinese. Even RPK, a very liberal Malay who is married to a Chinese has concurred that majority Chinese hate the Malays and Islam. He has also stated that he has time and again deleted many comments from Chinese who are anti-Malay and anti-Islam. He has also exposed instances where Chinese commentators who masqueraded as Malays by using Malay IDs, told the Indians to balik India. Now, if we want to post comments in his blog, we are required to register first by giving our full name, email address, house address and home phone number.
It is not hard to go extreme either way in this current political climate where there seems to be a lack of middle ground. Pro-opposition blogs naturally attract opposition sympathizers while pro-BN blogs boasts its own crowd of supporters.
Depend which blogs you go to, I would say the rhetorics and insults hurled by Malays and the nons are just about even. Coupled with the fact comments made on the internet are cloaked in the security of anonymity, it is easy for most to shoot before thinking. To be honest, I doubt the loud and crude ones (from either side) would be so bold if they had to say it to the other party in the face.
Yes, there are also ‘paid’ instigators on blogs whose job is to prod and poke for ‘desired’ reaction by their political masters.
I am saddened by the blind loyalty shown by supporters from either side. Voters are supposedly the boss . Political parties are supposed to bid for our votes by aligning themselves to our interests and needs, for the better good of all. Not the other way round.
That was a long time ago when the Americans felt it was right to segregate white people from non white people. Now today such acts are seen by the majority as discrimination.
Meanwhile, in Malaysia, many readers here think it is right to segregate the rights of non Muslim pupils from using the canteen during Ramadhan.
They were correct. The far right in Malaysia likes to live in a mythical past.
It is interesting is it not, HH?
These people want rights for themselves, and then refuse to give the rights for others.
And they have the gall to claim other people of “take and take but never give in return”. Clearly a bunch of narcissistic people.
I am trying to be an optimist and see their side of the story.
Do you find most UMNO supporters here going on and on about ketuanan and religion while totally disregarding the economic and accountability issues on hand?
Anonymous, you are right to feel indignation against the Chinese, who tend to treat people unfairly. Their stereotypical behavior is actually a worldwide phenomenon.
That said, the focus of these Nons is about their own problems. Rarely do they try to see the bigger picture.
Helen has practically ignored the alleged racism of Chinese doctors against Malay patients, which could have resulted in medical harm due to deferred treatment, and instead put unnecessary focus on the school canteen case, where the possibility of harm was negligible and was proven that no one was physically hurt.
Conrad thinks the video by an alleged Muslim dog owner that is obviously insensitive towards Malaysian islamic teaching, is just another form of ‘freedom of expression’. In another country, say pakistan, such a video would cause fatal riots. He purposely ignores the seditious aspect of the video.
I am not Muslim or Malay, but I can tell these two, Conrad and Helen, behave like the stereotypical Chinese — manipulative and intellectually dishonest.
Since you have no problem believing in the “worldwide phenomenon of the stereotypical Chinese behaviour, what are your views on the worldwide phenomenon of the stereotypical Muslim behaviour ?
Oh, that’s right, you don’t like your worldview being challenged but have no problem making sweeping generalizations of others.
You mean the so called “racism” of the doctors where the Ministry of Health has said that there was no racism involved ? You who place great emphasis on making complaints to the proper channels is not satisfied with the verdict from those same power structures ?
Just as you have your theory on the dog video I gave my own opinion. Why the hell do people like you bring up countries like Pakistan to make your point that Non Muslims should be grateful ?
You do realize that Muslims there are suffering because of the excesses of Islam which is why if they can afford to move they do…..most times attempting to change the ethos of the liberal countries they move to.
Re: “I am not Muslim or Malay, but I can tell these two, Conrad and Helen, behave like the stereotypical Chinese — manipulative and intellectually dishonest.”
(Sorry-lah Helen you are being lumped in with me. That’s always a bad sign)
Jampi, you ignoramus. Ever since you started posting here you have been a mass of contradictions, a peddler of straw men in lieu of factual arguments, a crypto racist masquerading as a rationalist who attempts to make arguments which are way beyond his intellectual capabilities.
The funny thing is, with these posts, Helen is not only whacked by her predominately Malay readership but also by the Chinese apparatchiks online who despise her and are enjoying a large dollop of schadenfreude.
I really don’t understand why is that video made by Chetz Yusof is considered insensitive. I admit that I can never comprehend why is that particular video would trigger such an outburst to the point she’s now being remanded in a lockup in Segamat. But reading her blog a moment ago, unveiled some of her personal life about her love for her grandma, her personal journey towards finding fulfillment in life through man’s best friends was really heart warming; it gives me an impression she’s just another good citizen out there. And for her to be remanded in a lockup because of this really saddens me.
Thanks. I’ll put up your comment shortly.
Re” …..it gives me an impression she’s just another good citizen out there.”
It saddens me that with all the hate out there, kindness and compassion is twisted into something ugly in the name of protecting the sanctity of religion.
Is tat u Helen?
Siapa jurulatih pasukan bolasepak kebangsaan?
Helen ignore these crazy racists. You are telling it like it is. In my school the changing room is next to the toilet and its super stinks. I’ll be damned if I ever have to eat there.
And it’s not a small issue. The fact remains that the renovations or whatever they are doing could have and should have been done during school hols.
And I agree with forestcat. Bitch slap is the way to go. And their buka puasa there don’t mean jack. Up to them la if they want to eat in inappropriate ways. Why impose on others?
And why the bias against Helen for prolonging this issue? Sukati dia la. blog blog lain Yng ngkorang dok sibok baca Siang malam pon pasai benda sama kan? Ok je? Talk about being selective.
Oh and I’m a Muslim btw for those of y’all haters who r interested. BN hardcore supporter too FYI but not too keen on najib la nowadays.
Parents pon satu, kalau tak serasi dengan kemudahan yang diberi kepada anak2, they are not forced to send their kids to that school. Kalau dah dapat restu PIBG means the parents OF THAT SCHOOL dah setuju la. Ibu budak India ni active tak dalam persatuan ibu bapa, kalau active how come she is not aware of the practice since May (as reported)
Kamu semua kalau nak kemudahan mengikut citarasa sendiri banyak private schools around yang will give you whatever you want. Sek Sri Bestari, dulu we parents took turns daily to monitor their kantin, menu pun kami sendiri duduk makan dulu, test to make sure acceptable for our kids, parents take pleasure to be committed with whats going on in the school for the sake of our kids.
Sg Buloh tak jauh dari Sri Bistari, many of the students travel daily as far as Bukit Beruntung and Syah Alam. Nak sangat segalanya special, nak komplen sampai ke bulan pun boleh, send your kids to private schools la.
Kolej Tunku Jaafar soon akan adakan sekolah rendah… send your kids there, guarantee no stinking toilets.
No need to slap pendidik kita, Islam mengajar kita menghormati guru, walaupun satu saat mereka mengajar kita, they remains our teachers for life.
Berapa school fees you bayar tiap tahun kat sekolah dulu sampai rasa dah besar kepala nak slap guru besar?
huh you mean you condone stinky toilets? haih.. malaysians memang love to be dirty la.. why can’t we all want to improve.
i work hard and i pay a LOT of taxes. the taxes are used to pay these teachers their salary. the taxes are also used to build these schools. So yes, I will be very upset if a teacher whose salary I am paying asks my kids to eat in a “changing room”.
sooo angry rina, go ask la your kids to makan dalam changing room yang busuk bau najis, that’s your problem man, i got no issue with what you do with your kids. but this is a PUBLIC school where TAXPAYERs monies have gone so since I pay taxes, I do have a say. Susah payah kerja siang malam bayar cukai to see this? nah, not gonna fly with me.
Banyak sangat ke pay taxes tuuuuuu?
….”huh you mean you condone stinky toilets”
May I assume thats how you keep your toilets at home?
Relax honey, clean your toilets 3x daily, and dont forget, after each use to ensure you wipe and mop-off the drips, mak ayah tak ajar jaga kebersihan tandas ker? OK teach your kids from as little as 4yrs old, bila besar jadi tabiat.
Inspect celah2 to ensure no fungus or kulat – jangan malas, tenyeh….toilets is one place that should be clean at all times. Ada banyak disinfectant yg dijual dipasar…remember, at all times, your toilet must be CLEAN.
rina – talking about the school stinky toilet la…cannot follow the argument kah…senang je…just scroll up and read….s l o w l y…:) this is so much fun lah.
hi rina, no la doesnt matter banyak ke tak…once i paid i should have a say, that’s all :) but yea ur right, takde la banyak sangat pon bayar cukai…e
You are probably the type of Muslim who defends performing ablution on dogs. I am not Muslim, but I can tell you that really is the definition of lunacy . I don’t think any right-minded Muslim (or non-Muslim) would do such a thing.
I know you don’t represent the mainstream. I have seen and met Muslims in US/UK who are better at defending their religion than you. You are just an apologist. No wonder Islam is losing its potency in Malaysia, and thankfully so. But what I fear is that Chinese chauvinism will take its place, and then it will not longer be Malays vs Non-Malays , but Chinese vs non-chinese.
no im the type of muslim who defends eating in canteen bodo. you must be the type of muslim who defends performing jampis. is this about some lady who put up the video in youtube of some dog and wudhu?? what are you on about bro? rina and i were just chatting about how much taxes I pay and how she loves to let her kids eat near tempat yang berbau najis. i totally respect her decisions man, no question. you pon suka eh? ok good for you la? i dont like it man – cannot ye? tak leh kalau tak suka makan dekat tempat yang ada bau najis ye? oh i see….macam tu la cara islam….my way or the highway….well done well done
I think many commentators are trying to weasel away from the fact the children were made to eat not near or adjacent but *inside* the shower/washroom, in a large school that occupies 5 acres of land.
This is called denial. It is uncouth culture.
Okay temenggong, where can they eat besides the canteen? Give suggestions. Please remind yourself that the place need to have covered space for seats and more importantly wash basins near it where the children can wash their hands before eating and after – for cleanliness and hygiene (ironic isn’t?) If it’s far they wont bother to wash.
I dont know about you but i’m a practical person – canteen under renovation, small number of students involved, shower room clean , not used, got wash basins , ergo – go for it!
I think if they are malay students nothing much will be made out of this.
Uncouth culture? Yes we malays (most of us) are poor , uncouth, not cultured, not refined -been eating besides, near, in washrooms all our lives. Eating belacan somemore!
Way to go Fatimah..
It is wise for anyone who tries hard to manage a situation consider the very aspect of practicality in any decision that they made.
Practically, the changing room is the most suitable place to replace the canteen under renovation. It is doltish to refer the changing room as toilet and it’s more boorish to hack on issue as if they were forced to eat out of a toilet bowl.
In this season of Muslims bashing, every person’s action and reaction that aims at scorning Muslims and Malay, regardless of whether they are right or wrong, they’ll be dub as superhero.
They expect us to receive the blow just like a punching bag. But once we react to the act, they call us names and playing the ‘minority being oppressed’ narrative. The problem should have not surface if the mother got engage earlier with the PTA to voiced her concerned. Where she has been all this while (for not attending the PTA) is matter only she could provide answer.
Blaming the Muslims, Ramadhan for her own shortcomings is unbecoming of her as citizen in a Muslims majority country.
In a classroom. Its a big school.
This is about a HM showing sopan santun. I did not see that.
“canteen under renovation”
Again, the same old excuse of canteen-under-renovation. The place was not under any renovation works as seen in this photograph:
The only works involved was installing a glass door, and that takes no more than a day or two. It certainly does not justify closing off the canteen for over two weeks!
Really we are doomed. Between BN and the others. we are fucked!
The more I read about his shower room controversy, the more confused I am…. How it evolved into this is really beyond me.
But surprisingly I do find Ridhuan Tee’s comments quite satirical…. hahaha.
Testing to see why I cannot comment
I checked and found your two comments in Spam.
Please send a test comment with pdf attachment url – which could be the reason for them getting caught in the auto filter – and let’s see if the next one comes through or still winds up in the Spam queue.
I’ve so far approved all your comments but I’d like to note that they (your comments) are obsessed with labelling Dr M as a mamak.
Thank you Helen, I had to separate him from the genuine Malays as what he had done in the past (and is still doing now) has never benefited the Malays, only his mamak cronies. He only makes use of the Malays whenever he wants to stir up racial disturbances for his own advantage and he has been able to do it time and again because he knew that the Malays trusted him. But then, he betrayed them time and again. He is one of the main cause of the deepening racial divide in Malaysia.
1) In his days as an UMNO leader, which Malay has he groomed to be successful to lead? Instead, he practically decimated the cream of promising Malay leaders to ensure that he remained in power. Now he is doing it again to make way for his son.
2) During his time as the PM, what had he done to uplift the livelihood of the ordinary Malays? He treated them just as his pawns to be used whenever the need arises. I know because in the course of my work, I meet many ordinary Malays that are having a hard time and barely able to cope with everyday life. Reason is because they have no connections. I pity some of them that had to resort to petty crimes to get by.
3) Like I said before, the most evil thing that he had done is when he dismantled our then fine English Education System. When the Malays were lagging behind in their studies, instead of helping them to catch up with their counterparts, he retarded the progress of the other races. The resultant appalling low standard of Malaysian Education will retard the growth of Malaysia for generations to come. Smart Malaysians of whatever race are a threat to him and his cronies. Come to think of it, smart Malays are a bigger threat to him than smart people of other races as smart Malays will challenge him and his cronies in UMNO.
4) He did everything possible to ensure that the majority Malays cannot get smarter to prosper on their own and many had to settle for government jobs. This is another of his ways to ensure the support of the Malays.
5) The list goes on…
FYI, I was a staunch supporter of his until I realised what an evil and sinister mind he has. In those days, I waited for hours in the hot sun just to shake his hands, I argued with (and condemned) Anwar’s Reformasi supporters, I applauded when he had his spats with Singapore and other foreign countries. But, like they say, you cannot fool all the people all the time. No, I did not get the realisation that he is evil through any of DAP’s postings…… It actually dawned on me one day while reading through one of Tun M’s postings, of which I was a fan.
Helen, I have no problems with the Malays and other bumiputeras having extra privileges as I feel that for Malaysia to prosper, we need the resources of all Malaysians to be able to compete with the world. A 10% to 20% share of the world market is bigger than any portion of the Malaysian market.
I believe many other Chinese have the same feelings too. We would be glad to help them in whatever ways we can so that Malaysia can progress forward. But Tun M’s policies are often to retard the progress of other races, which lead to the decline of Malaysia’s competitiveness in the world. As a result, the whole of Malaysia suffers.
I try not to be involved with differences over religious matters as no religion is bad and I believe that each religion in this world can stand on its own and definitely do not need us mere mortals to defend it. It is the the weakness of man and their ego that caused their own disputes. Life is tough as it is, if you make it tougher for other people, you yourself will get its effect too.
Helen, it is important that Malaysians, especially the Malays become wiser to Tun M’s evil tactics soonest or there will be an even bleaker future for Malaysia.
Thank you Helen and I note your concern, but I had…
re: ” Instead, he practically decimated the cream of promising Malay leaders to ensure that he remained in power.”
You should speak to Wee Choo Keong, Kerk Kim Hock and others (current leaders so I shall refrain from naming them) about how the Lim dynasty practically decimated the cream of promising DAP leaders to ensure that Sonny Boy remained in power.
re: “separate him from the genuine Malays”
Dr M sees himself as a Malay. He was the president of the United MALAY National Orginisation aka Umno. The Malays see him as one of them. It is the Chinese and Indians who make a bigger issue of his origins.
re: “He is one of the main cause of the deepening racial divide in Malaysia.”
No, we (the people) are. We have had 56 years since Merdeka to integrate. We didn’t.
re: “ordinary Malays that are having a hard time and barely able to cope with everyday life”
Nonetheless the NEP has been successful in uplifting Malays within one to two generations from being poor farmers and fishermen to a large educated and professional class. Under Mahathir’s watch, a lot of people of all races made money when their business thrived.
re: “the most evil thing that he had done is when he dismantled our then fine English Education System”
No blame on Anwar who was Education Minister too? Regardless, the “fine English Education System” had to make way for the national school system. It was the imperative of nation-building.
In the old days, only smart or well-to-do (family can afford) students went to school. Because they were few, education was rather elitist and hence the high standards. Post-Merdeka, education became universal. B’cos the opportunity was now given to all, quite naturally the standards dropped. Quantity had replaced quality but still it had to happen as the populace needed to be enfranchised.
The orang putih nuns and brothers in the mission schools get old and retire and they are not replaced. These educators are a dying breed with or without any interference from Mahathir.
The values of our society changed and teaching is no longer viewed as a noble profession. Ask the kids today how many of them harbour the ambition of becoming a teacher? (Compare how much better financially rewarded Mawi is compared to a teacher.)
Or see how many teachers do other things like teach tuition class or sell Amway/MLM products. So takkan the deterioration of the education system pun you wanna place squarely at Dr M’s door?
re: “When the Malays were lagging behind in their studies, instead of helping them to catch up with their counterparts, he retarded the progress of the other races.”
Dr Mahathir did not close Chinese schools. He also allowed private colleges to proliferate.
re: “Smart Malaysians of whatever race are a threat to him and his cronies.”
From what I hear, Dr M is open to views by smart Malaysians with smart ideas.
re: “He did everything possible to ensure that the majority Malays cannot get smarter to prosper on their own and many had to settle for government jobs.”
Erm, I thought Dr M was the Father of Privatisation?
re: “But Tun M’s policies are often to retard the progress of other races”
I thought the oppo like to accuse Dr M of creating Chinese (and one or two Indian) crony tycoons, e.g. the success of Genting helps the progress of the non-Malay races as the casino business does not provide many jobs for Muslims.
re: “Helen, it is important that Malaysians, especially the Malays become wiser to Tun M’s evil tactics soonest or there will be an even bleaker future for Malaysia.”
The Tun aside, pro-establishment Malays are nonetheless critical of Umno and are the party’s own harshest critics. The Chinese on the other hand are not critical of the DAP and defend the party, especially LGE, even when the bad conduct is indefensible. The Chinese must become wiser to DAP’s evangelista’s tactics soonest or there will be an even bleaker future for Malaysia.
You are spot on Helen! We know who is the culprit behind the declining of the quality of Malaysian education. He was also the one who introduced Bahasa Baku and changed Science and Maths subjects from English to BM. Now he is the opposition leade which he is not doing a good job either. Tun Dr Mahathir, for all his faults, was a strong and able leader and the best PM of Malaysia. Some non-Malays would argue that Tunku was the best PM but the majority Malays do not concur. When Tunku died, some Malays even wanted to piss on his grave. Tunku was not that a great leader. If he were, May 13 racial riot would not have occurred as he could have nabbed it at the bud. Now we are seeing the same thing all over again under Najib. My American hubby said yesterday “Can Tun Dr Mahathir make a comeback as the PM until a more suitable leader is found?” I hope so but I don’t know if the good doctor is willing!
Stop trying to change our mindset with all your lies. Your intentions to turn us, the Malays, to hate or to go against Tun Dr Mahathir will not work. Tun Dr Mahathir is highly respected and we regard him as a true Malay irrespective of his racial heritage. We know what we are doing and we don’t need you, a Dapster, to teach us!
Well Puan Anon, do you prefer me to continue addressing you as Puan Anon or you would like to introduce yourself?
re : We know who is the culprit behind the declining of the quality of Malaysian education. He was also the one who introduced Bahasa Baku and changed Science and Maths subjects from English to BM.
If you mean Anwar, you are spot on too. Copied from my reply to Helen “FYI, me and most Chinese hated the guts of him when he was in Government and the early Reformasi days. It is only when we saw some positive changes in him lately that our views had changed.”
re : Tun Dr Mahathir, for all his faults, was a strong and able leader and the best PM of Malaysia.
The only credit I can give him is the construction of the North-South Highway. Maybe you can name me some that had slipped through my mind.
A truly able leader is one who puts the interest of his nation above his own and make sure that he has similarly able compatriots and successors to continue his policies for the benefit of the nation, not decimating them to remain in power.
re : Some non-Malays would argue that Tunku was the best PM but the majority Malays do not concur.
That’s the specialty of this mamak, remember “Si Tokol” in one of my comments above. Coincidentally, were you the same “Anon” that brought this phrase to my attention?
re : When Tunku died, some Malays even wanted to piss on his grave.
Well there are many Malays and Malaysians who are waiting to do the same thing even before the demise of Tun M but I personally would not advocate it as it will only spew more venom onto a person who already has an abundance of it.
Instead, I would recommend that they pour compassion and kindness when the time comes in the hope that it will neutralise some of the the venoms ( because it is too abundant to completely remove all ) of this senile and confused old mamak who had betrayed the trust of the Malays and other Malaysians to do so many evil deeds in his lifetime.
re : May 13 racial riot
I have nothing to comment as what available reading materials there are come from parties with their own agendas. I only remembered my parents locking us up in the house while the sound of parangs and samurai swords scraped the ground outside, sounding throughout most nights during those darkest moments in the history of Malaysia.
Isn’t it a shame that after so many years, people still want to gain political mileage from this? Didn’t the antagonists pay for their foolishness with their lives?
Who are the opportunists that benefited from the follies of these antagonists? From the pen of Tunku, of our beloved Bapa Kemerdekaan, the person who benefited the most is none other than “you know who”.
I think the only way out of this deadly quagmire that will continue to retard the progressive integration of Malaysians is for the YDP Agung to set up an RCI to unveil the truth. The truth is needed not primarily to bring the perpetrators to justice but it is important so that Malaysians should learn from the mistakes and not repeat it, thus allowing them to move on towards a more progressive society that is more understanding and tolerant towards each other.
After the truths and lessons learned, the YDP Agung should decree that the subject is closed and belong to history and whoever manipulates it for malevolent benefits shall be punished dearly.
re : My American hubby said yesterday “Can Tun Dr Mahathir make a comeback as the PM until a more suitable leader is found?”
May I know your hubby is an American of what origin? How much do he know about what Tun M had done to think that Tun M will be able to solve the Malaysian Dilemma that he had created?
You still want to hide behind the dhoti of this evil mamak, not realising that he is the cause of most, if not all of Malaysia’s problems now? Don’t you know how he is working tirelessly to remove capable Malay leaders to make way for his son and other cronies?
re : I hope so but I don’t know if the good doctor is willing!
I believe he would willingly send you his son, YB Datuk Mukhriz, who was well taught to start early in planting (pun intended) fixed deposits by training Malay youths as farmers and not entrepreneurs or politicians.
re : Stop trying to change our mindset with all your lies.
In all my comments, I had advocated the need for the Malays to wake up and be smarter. I had even asked you to find the truth yourselves and not to blindly trust anyone, including myself.
It is a pity that your mind is set on believing what you do and do not know about Tun M. Do you not want to find out if what I said or wrote about might have an iota of truth? Or would it be too damning to find out that the person you loved and respected had betrayed your trust for his own and his mamak cronies’ benefits.
re : Your intentions to turn us, the Malays, to hate or to go against Tun Dr Mahathir will not work. Tun Dr Mahathir is highly respected and we regard him as a true Malay irrespective of his racial heritage.
Does asking you Malays to wake up and be smarter mean asking you to hate or go against Tun M and his evil deeds? If it is, then it gives me the more impetus to beg you Malays to wake up and be smarter.
I have no doubt that you and most Malays regard Tun M highly, but I hope that does not prevent you from finding out the truth about his betrayal of the Malay trust and rights for his own benefits.
re : We know what we are doing and we don’t need you, a Dapster, to teach us!
If you know what you are doing, then you would not label me and all Chinese and Indians who want good Governance and a more progressive Malaysia, as Dapsters. Your denial of the truth about the main concern of the majority Chinese, like the present BN Government, will not benefit Malaysia in any way, not now and definitely not in the future.
Once again, I beg you Malays to wake up and be smarter.
You know what, most of the economic, educational and racial problems that Malaysia faces presently will be solved if Malays in UMNO rejects and votes out all the mamaks from power in the coming elections. This will be the only way for UMNO to regain its glory of yesteryears.
“Si Kitol” and not “Si Tokol”
Dear Helen, thank you for your reply. I must admit that you provided some very interesting facts here.
re : You should speak to …… about how the Lim dynasty practically decimated the cream of promising DAP leaders to ensure that Sonny Boy remained in power.
Since you did not deny, I take it that you agree with me that Tun M decimated the cream of UMNO leaders, which led to the lack of capable leaders now, especially Malay leaders.
I, Casey Low, do not care a hoot about what the Lim dynasty are doing to capable DAP leaders. Let them implode when their tactics are exposed and their members cannot stand it anymore.
re : Dr M sees himself as a Malay. He was the president of the United MALAY National Orginisation aka Umno. The Malays see him as one of them.
Sure, the Malays see Tun M ( and his mamak cronies ) as one of them but are the feelings mutual? What had he done for the welfare of majority Malays? Which Malay has he groomed to be the future leader? What he did when he was at the helm of UMNO and until now are just to consolidate powers for himself and his mamak cronies, not forgetting his son. They are more interested in the Malays being backwards as they consider capable and smart Malays as threats that will challenge their grip on power in UMNO. Look at the line up of the executive powers and you will know what I mean.
From this line up, one cannot be blamed if they have a feeling that UMNO means United Mamak National Organisation.
In the course of a conversation with some of these mamaks, do you know how many times they will remind you that they are not Malays because “Malays are Lazy and Stupid”. These mamaks are happy as long as the Malays remain backwards in the rural areas as their fixed deposits, to be used and manipulated whenever they need to cause racial tension for their own political agenda.
re : We have had 56 years since Merdeka to integrate. We didn’t.
We were an integrated and harmonious lot until the mamak stepped in. Which of his policies really contribute to racial integration? I would safely say None.
re : Under Mahathir’s watch, a lot of people of all races made money when their business thrived.
Who are these people that made a lot of money? Which and how many Malays had he nurtured to become a capable entrepreneur? He would be happy that they remain peasants in the rural areas as his fixed deposits.
re : No blame on Anwar who was Education Minister too?
Thank you for pointing this out. It shows that this mamak too ( when he was the Education Minister ), was up to no good and definitely detrimental to the progress of Malaysia as Education is the backbone of the future of all countries in the world. FYI, me and most Chinese hated the guts of him when he was in Government and the early Reformasi days. It is only when we saw some positive changes in him lately that our views had changed.
re : The orang putih nuns and brothers in the mission schools get old and retire and they are not replaced.
In the beginning days we need their help. But don’t you think Malaysians in those days had taken over the job marvelously. I had many Malay, Indian and Chinese teachers who were great in their profession.
re : The values of our society changed and teaching is no longer viewed as a noble profession. Ask the kids today how many of them harbour the ambition of becoming a teacher?
I would believe that many Chinese and Indians ( and Malays too ) do not enter the teaching profession because they see no future in a system that rewards colour and connections above dedication and meritocracy.
re : Or see how many teachers do other things like teach tuition class or sell Amway/MLM products.
With the ever rising high cost of living in Malaysia, how else can they survive with their existing salary? Did their remuneration increase in tandem with the inflation? Do you think this is their problem or the failure of the Government?
re : Dr Mahathir did not close Chinese schools. He also allowed private colleges to proliferate.
Helen, do you infer that not closing Chinese schools meant he has maintained a high standard of Education in Malaysia? From what I recall, many Chinese only resorted to Chinese school education after the demise of the English Education System.
re : Dr M is open to views by smart Malaysians with smart ideas.
Oh yeah? Unless you are implying that there are no smart Malaysians with smart ideas because what he did and is doing now points to him being a bigot. I believe many Malaysians share my view.
re : Erm, I thought Dr M was the Father of Privatisation?
Except for himself and his cronies, i do not see how much it had helped the majority of ordinary Malaysians, either Malays, Indians, Chinese or other Bumiputeras of Sabah/Sarawak.
re : the success of Genting helps the progress of the non-Malay races as the casino business does not provide many jobs for Muslims.
Except for the Lim family, which Tun M and his cronies nurtured for whatever reasons that cannot be disclosed, what progress are you talking about? Don’t you want to know about the hardships of the numerous families that been broken because of the casinos of Genting?
re : The Chinese on the other hand are not critical of the DAP and defend the party, especially LGE, even when the bad conduct is indefensible. The Chinese must become wiser to DAP’s evangelista’s tactics soonest or there will be an even bleaker future for Malaysia.
Because at the moment, they have no other better choice and they have seen hope in the way Penang is managed. Unless they succeed in converting all Chinese into Christians (which I do not see possible), I do not see all Chinese supporting them all the time even if they do wrong.
The majority of Chinese just want better Governance for the future generations of Malaysia where they can live in harmony with the Malays and other races that they had been doing in the past.
Helen, I think that we, and most Malaysians realise the bleak future that Malaysia face due to the evil manipulations of the mamak dominated Government. And this minority had been able to do that by riding on the trust and loyalty of the Malays who embraced them with open arms, little knowing that they had been betrayed.
It is up to us to help the Malays realise that these mamaks had betrayed their trust and loyalty for their own benefits. The only way for Malaysia ( and UMNO in general as it is still the backbone of Malaysian society ) to be strong and prosperous again is to reject and remove these evil and greedy mamaks.
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