Below is FMT columnist Selena Tay’s take on what will happen if the DAP is deregistered.
Selena, who is a DAP member, writes:
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“The majority of the Chinese voters will stand firm against BN’s bullying tactics. The more the Chinese voters are thrown a disadvantage, the more they will strive to overcome the challenge thrown at them and this issue will only strengthen the resolve of Chinese parents to send their children overseas for further studies and better opportunities.
These children will then work abroad when they get good job offers after completing their studies.
This will cause the nation to suffer in terms of brain-drain and capital flight as there will be fewer people paying income tax.
Yes, this will happen if the Chinese perceive DAP as being bullied and they perceive that the situation is a disadvantage to them after the 13th general election.”
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Selena’s full article can be read at ‘DAP facing de-registration?‘ (FMT, 3 Aug 2013)
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Selena is an evangelista by the way.
Related postings:
“Kolumnis kesayangan puak Pakatan Selena Tay ini umpama Ong Kian Ming, juru strategi kempen pilihanraya DAP yang ramalan-ramalannya yang melambak-lambak tentang keputusan pilihanraya-pilihanraya kecil sering tersasar.”
Baca seterusnya di ‘Kabinet bayangan orang Pakatan panjat dinding‘.
“Maka sesiapa yang masih memilih untuk menyokong BN adalah dungu lah pada hematnya. (Nota sampingan: Rencana Selena Tay pada 25 Feb 2012 bertajuk, ‘Wake up, vote Pakatan‘)”
Baca seterusnya di ‘“Terbukti pengundi M’sia dungu,” tulis wartawan pro-pembangkang’.
Helen Ang 
So it looks like the divide btw M and C will be wider . Sigh .
No lah. With Chris Ross any C can become an M.
Let the chinese do whatever they want to do. If they break the law => tangkap!
Ms H. Our beloved Malaysia cannot be the Wild Wild East without the governance of laws. If we the Chinese, the Malaysian Chinese, take it upon ourselves to set our own rules, what have we become ?
I am surprised that the Singaporean Trojan Horse DAP with strong pretnesions to rule over us one day encourages the disobedience of a civil society without regard to the laws of the land. Maybe I am wrong in my perception !
I always feel as Chinese we should be beyond reproach like Caesar’s wife and show the World that we are Chinese, Malaysian Chinese and not some present day rabble-rousers running around the hot and humid streets of Kuala Lumpur at the drop of a hat in reponse to the whims and fancies of some instigator beyond our shores.
“These children will then work abroad when they get good job offers after completing their studies.
This will cause the nation to suffer in terms of brain-drain and capital flight as there will be fewer people paying income tax.”
.. if I’m not mistaken yang berlambak-lambak kerja illegally kat Chinatown in English speaking countries tu bukan C ke? Brain drain indeed!
.. the unpatriotic ones planning to work overseas, please make sure you don’t fight for Govt or GLC or MNC scholarships will ya? After all you don’t plan to pay income tax to Malaysia anyway. Isn’t it enough that Malaysians have subsidised your primary and secondary education? BUT knowing your muka tak malu kind, I’m sure you will take everything but give nothing back with “It is my right!!!” justification.
I wish C will just shut up. You don’t have to shout to the world that you are unpatriotic and selfish. WE KNOW.. Just make sure when you’re overseas you change your citizenship. If not, bila you buat crime like that stupid surgeon in OZ.. Malaysia punya nama get dragged in the mud with you!
Fed-up WC, nak buat macam. C fikir they are superior. Brain- drain konon.
CEC pun tak lepas.
in fact ‘the chinese’ (mostly from south china) got the best deal in the merdeka agreement – harta yg tak ternilai – citizenship!!! (lebih dari apa yg melayu dapat). now they want to be the lord of this country via political platform. that’s the only way to ‘own’ this country. do they want to share??? no way!!! melayu pulak lembut tak kena tempat, keras pun tak kena tempat. nasi dah jadi bubur atau dah jadi acuan of this country. melayu tanpa cina tak boleh hidup, cina pulak tanpa melayu pasti mampus. kalau cina masih dgn malaysian chinese instead of chinese malaysia or malaysian (melayu included), what do we expect? belajar & faham tentang sejarah but live on geography. my question is: apa pengorbanan cina utk melayu??
Depa ingat ni Taiwan kut?!
I wonder what made the C think they are superior. Actually we, the Malays think of them the opposite. Syiok sendiri lah tu!
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If you’re submitting a Cina “pijak kepala” pegawai penguatkuasa video here, methinks that in the social media (Facebook) controlled by DAP – where DAP has 404,000 ‘Likes’ from potential voters compared to 27,000 for MCA – the apparatchiks would be linking far more material to daily convince their audience that pegawai penguatkuasa/pasukan berseragam mengherdik dan membuli rakyat marhaen Cina.
After all, isn’t that what The New Village movie is about, i.e. kerajaan zalim dan menganiaya penduduk Cina? (qualified statement as I haven’t watched the film; nobody invited me to the preview).
Aiyah Helen itu youtube punya tajuk wa mana boleh tukar?! Macam mana mau tukar, bukan wa punya made for youtube video wor! Itu wa mau share sama semua sini, itu gaduh sudah mula. Wa tengok itu video mana ada Cina pijak Mpsj kepala. Itu tajuk memang sengaja itu owner buat itu macam, apapasat itu macam, mana wa bleh jawab punya.
Melayu kahwin orang beragama Islam ..tak kira bangsa. Keturunan dapat ‘Hybrid Vigor.’ Apa jadi pada Cina di Singapura yang kahwin sesama Cina? ..Inbreeding. Go to Singapore and see all the stressed Singaporean ladies. Tengok di laman web sosial macam mana rupa mereka? LKY hendak graduat kahwin graduat……ha ha dia nak lawan kuasa Allah! Gene pool Cina di Singapura kecil. Gadis Cina negara China sungguh cantik sekali kerana gene pool yang besar. Orang Melayu Malaysia makin lama makin berbakat (traits) dan pandai. Helen tak tahu ke ini?
Cina syok sendiri! Mereka fikir mereka lah yang paling pandai di Malaysia!..Mungkin paling rajin… Orang Melayu sebenarnya tak kesah pasal ini asalkan Cina tidak membolot semua benda/harta di Semenanjung Tanah Melayu! Hinggakan berurusan dengan Public Bank sahaja walaupun Maybank dan CIMB Bank berdekatan rumah atau premis pekerjaan.
Impossible for DAP yang cekap to make “genuine” mistake in the election. We all know who Lim KIt Siang (the Mahatma Gandhi of Malaysia) is. I really pity the ROS…but not to worry because the TRUTH shall prevail! I am a senior citizen who experienced the 13th.May..we all know who was the young man who humiliated the ‘backward’ Malays in 1969!
Those who work overseas illegally is for survival. Those are not PHD holders. They’re usually from small towns where opportunity is limited. The money they managed to save is brought back to Malaysia to buy their home and for their kids’ education. If given a choice, who would want to go through that?
Fed-up WC,
Majority of chinese stands firm with DAP as it offers them something that no UMNO leaders are willing to give:total power.
DAP does not believe in concept of sharing. To DAP, other parties must submit to DAP. That is sharing to them.
Selena kind of giving subtle threat that should ROS penalize DAP, then Chinese will leave the countries.
In truth, Selena likes all DAP leaders like to over emphasize everything about Chinese. . Like Chinese are bullied( the opposite is the truth).
By all mean, migrate to other countries. Then you will realise that no other countries(such as Australia, UK, USA, New Zealand, Canada) would tolerate having vernacular schools.
And no such thing as political parties there will ask voters to let a Chinese winning there. Especially when he is “thick” with “pendatang” mentality.
Why don’t the Malaysian Chinese join the Armed-Forces and participate in the Defense of these country? Singaporean Chinese controls Singapore Armed-Forces! I see no reason why the Chinese could not join the Armed-Forces.
…this…
Setuju. Kenapa tidak?
Letakkan kuota 25 peratus macam juga kuota Cina yang dituntut MCA bagi kemasukan IPTA.
Dan lepas ni kalau orang Cina sudah menyertai pasukan keselamatan secara beramai-ramai, nanti boleh layak (berdasarkan merit) jadi Ketua Polis Negara.
Nak pergi pergi lah! Should read Bob Proctor’s “Born Rich.” Law of Vacuum of Prosperity. Somebody else will fill in the vacuum created! Nothing new about people going to greener pastures. Why stay here if you are not happy?
Blaming the Chinese for everything while the real problems are left unattended
http://syedsoutsidethebox.blogspot.com/2013/08/fitch-downgrade-has-many-implications.html
Malaysia well truly on the way to becoming a failed state. Even our neighbors, this time not only Singapore but the Indonesians and the Filipinos are laughing at us.
Now we are importing maids and other labor from neighboring and nearby countries, continuing to say how well we are doing when the opposite is becoming increasingly clear. Even rich Malays, those working for government linked companies and civil servants with connections are milking whatever that’s available to them to send their wealth and children overseas.
This Selena T was wrong about the Chinese moving abroad. The Chinese are not the only ones moving abroad. Well informed, well educated and well heeled Malays and Indians too are moving abroad while the unsuspecting majority are still glued to a make believe Utopia fed constantly by those with ulterior motives of their own.
Chill out. Don’t worry. Indonesia and other countries nearby are developing nicely. Even Myanmar is opening up. The former basket case the Philippines too is growing. They will need labor when they reach a certain stage of economic development. Our people can go to these countries. No problem. Chinese, Malays, Indians, all can seek their fortune in these countries. No need to go to faraway places like the West.
Malaysia 2020 ? Look no further. Read the history books. Remember the Philippines of Marcos in the 1970s and 1990s ?
A provocative piece by old Syed.
Good stuff but I would be cautious on placing too much emphasis on Moody, Fitch et all but he’s backed up his concerns with credible evidence.
I think he got to the heart of the problem though and I always appreciate it when someone zeroes in on the year of the possible revolución, that’s 2018, for those who couldn’t bother to slog through his piece.
I expect the wolves to come in and call me names later in the day. Its obvious that people living in Utopia Nation are not comfortable when faced with credible evidence, as you’ve mentioned.
We would be very lucky indeed if we don’t implode before 2018, looking at the way things are progressing.
The blame game has gone on for decades, but its a convenient way of distracting people from confronting the real, urgent issues we as a nation must come to grip with.
Now that the Malay unity card is a complete washout, I expect those with an interest in preserving their power to turn to religion instead. From my observation, the religious card is now their last, final turn of the dice. The last remaining weapon in their arsenal. Also the most dangerous weapon.
And it is also apparent that opposition supporters are not the only ones who outsource their thinking processes to the opposition hacks/operatives operating through the alternative media. Pro establishment supporters themselves are acting the same way as their counterparts in the opposition, albeit with the prodding of the mainstream media.
Have a nice day Conrad. Its an honor indeed to have someone like you here.
Conrad,
Syed or anyone must have some concern with Najib ‘s administration. especially when Najib is so fond to listen to advices from those whose intentions are found wanting. .
Najib has the habit of dismantling whatever good regulation(ISA) in order to please opposition. Remember “dakwat kekal”. The truth is that our election is already fair. But in order to please the opposition, Najib allows ink to be used. only to be ridiculed again.
Besides, I found Najib has the irritating attitude of over emphasizing the chinese community at the expense of Malay community that put him in power.
Shamsul,
While I disagree with most of the points you raised, I do have a question I have been meaning to ask you for some time.
If the Najib administration with its progressive/liberal/whatever you want to call it policies manages to reclaim the support of the majority of Malaysians even though those policies may alienate the extreme right wing section of the Malay community, would you support Najib or look for a political alternative ?
Conrad,
Depend on what you mean with ‘progressive”. if progressive means winning standing ovation but the effect is disaster to the community, then of course I will not be a part of it.
Let me make it easy for Najib or you. What is required is a firm hand . A politician who is not bothered with popularity, poll. A politician who is dare to say the unpleasant truth. not a politician who is so keen on pleasing people.
“…May alienate extreme…”
The reality is Najib alienates vast majority of the Malays. He did not act when insulting remarks thrown at Malay/Muslim. He dismantle good preventive law. Why disturb a tiume tewsted effective law?
But UMNO won in 2013. And its record in 2013 is much better than 2008. Not because of Malay admiration. rather, Malays simply have no choice.
Not when they see how PAS is betraying Islam . Not when they conclude Anwar as what exactly Dr Mahathir called him and therefore not deemed as “Umat Muhammad SAW”.
The truth is that all Malays whom I ask already say no matter what Najib does or give, he would not be supported by chinese anymore.
And it was proven in last election. So stop dreaming that Najib can reclaim the support of Chinese. Najib’s sin is simply because he represents a Malay in power. A good Malay politician to most of Chinese must be like the joker Mohd sabu or willing to sell Malays like Anwar.
BY THE WAY, MAY I CORRECT YOU:
Najib already earns the support of majority of Malaysians . Only trhe chinese rejected him whole heartedly.
Check the facts firm. You may be surprise to know that even in urban area, UMNO manages to get the lion share of urban Malays votes
Hi,
I’d like to join in your conversation if I may.
However since you addressed your comment to Conrad, I’ll let Conrad respond first – protocol – and then if you both don’t mind, I have some queries (fact-finding, not fault-finding).
Cheers
Heln,
I am honoured to have you adressing what I said. I feel that conrad as expected fails to understand the malays.
:) Got some housework to do. Will comment when my head clears. There were one or two ideas that I had wanted to ask you to elaborate for us. Thanks.
Shamsul,
By progressive I mean the rhetoric of 1Malaysia that he says he follows but which in reality he does not. What do you mean you will not be a part of ? Could you name any other political party which is not a subsidy of UMNO.
With regards to a firm hand, if Najib could reign in the right wing elements of his party and put forward his vision of Malaysia which he claims is inclusive, would you support him ? The problem with your “not afraid of speaking the unpleasant truth” is that you mean your unpleasant truth and not something which could be objectively verified.
Well here is the problem, one hand you claim that Najib alienated the vast majority of Malays and on the other, you claim that the UMNO did get the majority of the Malay vote. Contradictory claims aside, an issue like the preventive laws is not a Malay issue only and that is your problem right there. Many Malaysians regardless of race have concerns about such laws.
Let me remind you that such laws were used selectively which was one of the factors that led to the breakdown of the Barsian National.
As for the difference in election, you claim that the Malays have no choice but this is were you are wrong. Even former PM Mahathir admits that now the Malays have a choice beyond UMNO, which is the problem. This is why there are calls with a unity government with PAS and the numerous calls for Malay cohesion.
Your views on PAS and Anwar is basically a partisan polemic. The reality is that these two power structures enjoy Malay support and view their UMNO counterparts with as much disdain as they get. Like I said, the problem is that nobody can claim to speak for the “Malays” as they could when UMNO was the top dog.
Now the Malays that you speak to may be right and the Chinese community and indeed sections of the Indian community may have abandoned the Barisan National for good, but as an UMNO partisan, do you think that this means that UMNO/Najib, should abandon, the concept of 1Malaysia and only concentrate on the Malay community ?
Now I don’t want to burst your bubble but you do understand that claiming the Chinese hate Najib because he is representative of a Malay power structure is objectively wrong, right ?
The very fact that the “Chinese” are taken up by the rhetoric of the Mat Sabus and the Anwars, who do not stray very far from the original power sharing formula is proof that the “Chinese” don’t have an issue with Malay power structures but only those who control it.
Re: “Najib already earns the support of majority of Malaysians . Only trhe chinese rejected him whole heartedly. ”
Are Chinese not Malaysians? If the answer is yes, and considering the various arguments thrown about by the popular vote, than the majority of Malaysians don’t support the current administration.
Re:”Check the facts firm. You may be surprise to know that even in urban area, UMNO manages to get the lion share of urban Malays votes”
I will. I am pretty confident that that the loss of Selangor to PR was a vote of no confidence to the UMNO ruling elite. But again though this points the contradictory elements of your post.
If I may join the conversation …
Conrad,
re: “the ‘Chinese’ don’t have an issue with Malay power structures but only those who control it”
Why do you think the Chinese would think that PKR and PAS (rather than Umno) in control of the Malay power structure is a better proposition?
Helen,
You know that it is not the truth. PAS or PKR are not in the same league with UMNO. Both these parties depend heavily on DAP.
The malay support for PKR is no where near Malay support for UMNO. even PAS with traditional Malay base supporters saw its infliuence among Malays is waning. Which explains why UMNO manages to wrest Kedah and retain Perak.
Unlike UMNO that can stands on its own winning on Malay votes, these 2 parties depend on DAP (Chinese votes) to win.
Betul! Orang Melayu macam orang Cina juga. Cuma orang Melayu lebih ramai daripada orang Cina..jadi..tak perlu kiasu dan BODOH sampai OVER VOTE to guarantee VICTORY—Tamak nak kuasa! The moment Melayu nak kalah dan nak DIPIJAK… semua Melayu akan bersatu dan disitu lah baharu orang Cina tahu siapa Melayu. (Jangan lupa.. ramai orang Melayu ada-lah orang Cina – seperti kajian DNA orang2 yang mendaftar darah sebagai orang Melayu di GH seluruh Negara…26%) bahkan ramai orang2 Melayu yang mempunyai DNA=> Cina Hui, India, Arab/Yemani, Pashtun, Belanda, Inggeris, dll.
Re:”If I may join the conversation …”
You are always, welcome in any conversation.
Re: “Why do you think the Chinese would think that PKR and PAS (rather than Umno) in control of the Malay power structure is a better proposition?”
Simple, because of the rhetoric of the Malay members in PAS and PKR and the sometimes acrimonious discussions between members which is unlike the dynamic of BN.
Because of the way how PR states are run (which is a confidence booster as in “we are not going to crumble if we make a change”) and because this has always been about renegotiating the power sharing formula and not abandoning it.
In what way (i.e. what revised aspects/features) is the renegotiated power-sharing better?
Well for one, it is more open. Issues like transparency and needs based, are preferable to the racialist agenda of the power sharing formula that came before. Is this in reality how it is practised ? Too early to tell but I for one think that it is a step in the right direction.
Dr. Jeyakumar said that PR is the objectively better alliance ….to which I always add …because they don’t have a history of incompetence and corruption to weigh them down.
Look at the way how the MCA is being treated by everyone when they become more assertive.
I’ll blog later why I disagree with you on rehabilitating the MCA. Perhaps after we get to view The New Village (and the Briggs Plan, hint).
I also disagree with Dr Jeyakumar, and you, that PR is the better alliance.
Chinese/DAP wants to control and rule. They know that PKR and PAS are not solid…… nothing compared with UMNO! Wait till the next GE…you’ll see “How strong the support of the Malays are for UMNO!
Conrad,
My point is quite simple actually. Najib already won the election. Minus the chinese vote actually. But it shows without Chinese support, Najib and UMNO still can form the government recognised by the whole world.
Actually 1Malaysia concept has been practised for very long time. so we have a Chinese winning in Malay majority areas. If Malays start behaving like chinese, I believe no Chinese can win in Malay majority areas. o, it shows that Malays have always considered about others.
Najib or UMNO never abandons 1Malaysia concept. Because of 1Malaysia concept., the government of the day(meaning UMNO) never alienates the Chinese. If UMNO wants to alienate the Chinese, it would have done that 56 years ago,
The truth is that it takes two to tango. Just as much as you want the government to reach you, you too need to do the same. No leader can keep on agreeing to whatever your wishes minus total support. Chinese often laments that they are badly treated(meaning by malays). They are fond to say that UMNO does not understand them.
Have Chinese tried to understand the Malays? Have they tried to approach the malays. Not on superficial level like attending mosque function complete with Baju kurung or dishing buka puasa function. But on substance. Like understanding reality that no matter what they do, they must accept this is not China. Like not protesting non Chinese teachers on vernacular schools. Or like not destroying Malay stalls but leaving Chinese hawkers to operate literally on roads. This happen in Penang.
As for selangor, do check yourselves . BN of course lost out because non malays especially Chinese totally rejected BN. but it still won the majority of Malay votes. Ever wonder why UMNO won Kedah?
To you 1Malaysia means different thing than compared to what malays perception. To you mean everything must be shared equally(whatever legitimate Malay interest). But it stops only there. Chinese still refuse to open up.
But actually I am not worried if Chinese do not support BN anymore. Even without the chinese , UMNO still rules..
What I am trying to say is that short of saying it, Malays(including UMNO leaders) actually already gives up on chinese. we respect your wishes to be outside of the government of the day.
Shamsul,
As I said, I get what you are saying. UMNO does not need anyone but the Malays to maintain hegemony which is what I have said in our numerous exchanges.
The 1Malaysia concept is not about voting across the racial line. People have always voted across racial lines. PR partisans vote across racial lines. The 1Malyasia concept like the Bangsa Malaysia kool aid, is an attempt to project an image that diversity works in Malaysia. What I believe is, is not that diversity works but real politik works.
You are right that Najib/UMNO never abandoned the concept because there was never any fidelity to the concept. The Arabisation process, the selective prosecutions, the racial taunts and host of other provocations is testament to this.
Of course it takes two to tango and the I have often said that the spirit of bi partisanship is lacking in the discourse. But if you carrying on looking at it from the perspective that the Chinese are the only ones that abandoned UMNO and they are the only other partner in the dance, you will miss out on what former PM Mahathir bemoans as a lack of solidarity in the Malay community.
While you are free to call up on any specific incidences that you want in relation to hawker stalls, vernacular schools and the like, I could bring up numerous other instances, where the Chinese and Indians have felt the bias application of the Malay State’s bureaucracy.
As usual you conflate the Malay community with UMNO. PAs for years has gone on about the Maha Firaun polemic when it comes to the authoritarian manner of the state on the Malay community. You are dismissing factors to fit into your anti Chinese narrative.
I will get back to you on the figures but Kedah as a loss is a bit of a stretch. By any objective reasoning, UMNO’s victory was pyrrhic.
I do not believe in the 1Malaysia concept anymore than I believe in the Bangsa Malaysia kool aid. I would argue that the Chinese have been passive for years and making the most of the System. The fact that they have been so successful despite the claims of discrimination is telling but perhaps a conversation for another time.
As for your last para, this goes back to my question, if UMNO continues in its attempt to forge a relationship with the Chinese which is a functional thing to do in a democracy, where would you go ? What is the alternative for people like you who reject this agenda?
Conrad,
I beg your pardon.
“….If UMNO continue in its attempt to forge…
Who reject who? UMNO, me, the Malays rejecting the Chinese or the other way around?
Please do not insinuate. Please accept reality that it is the chinese who totally rejected UMNO in the belief that it would fall come May 6, 2013. But unfortunately( or fortunately), UMNO still rules the land, minus the chinese representation.
Whose choice is that? Me? UMNO? or it is the choice that you, and entire Chinese community did?
What is wrong to conflate Malays with UMNO. you make the same comparison on Chinese with DAP.
And I never deny weaknesses in Malay community. and i am not blaming others for Malay predicament.
What i am saying( and all Malays whom i met including those from PAS, PKR) is that Najib should not waste time on chinese. instead he should concentrate on his power base: Malay community and to larger extent those who support him.
UMNO is not crying out loud to inform the world on its paramount position in Malaysian politics since independence. It earns the mandate through ballot box.
The last election is a mental breakthrough to many. Te much hyped “terminology” Chinese as kingmaker is not true. chinese has some influence. But they alone cant dictate politics.
What do you expect UMNO to do? “terhegeh hegeh” reaching to chinese only to be shown “middle finger’?
There is thing called “maruah”. Najib certainly learns the hard way. That because he ignored advices given from concerned Malays.
“…racialist agenda”.
If UMNO is damn bloody racist, why must it let Gerakan held the CM of Penang way back in 1990 until 2008. Mind you, UMNO continues to hold more seats than Gerakan in Penang state assembly.
And what a joke about PR of not being racialist. What happened to more than 700 delegates(happened to be Indianas) denied to vote in DAP Convention. Microsoft error?
Shamsul,
My question to you was, if UMNO continues to attempt to forge links with the Chinese community, would you be on-board with that and if not, what is the alternative ?
I think we have exhausted the blame game when it comes to which community rejected who and why. My question is fairly simple.
“What is wrong to conflate Malays with UMNO. you make the same comparison on Chinese with DAP.”
The difference here is that the Chinese have rejected the MCA totally and the DAP is the party of choice for the Chinese community. While you may argue that UMNO is in the same position, some people like former PM Mahathir would disagree with you.
To them the Malay community is split and PKR and PAS are a force to be reckoned with esp since they have teamed up with the Chinese community. There was a time when UMNO was the sole representative of the Malay community much like DAP is now with the Chinese community.
Re: “And I never deny weaknesses in Malay community. and i am not blaming others for Malay predicament.”
What I am saying is that concentrating on the so called betrayal of the Chinese community is a distraction from the real issues facing the Malay community.
Re:”What i am saying( and all Malays whom i met including those from PAS, PKR) is that Najib should not waste time on chinese. instead he should concentrate on his power base: Malay community and to larger extent those who support him.”
Ok good. Now as to my original question, supposing Najib does not do this and continues seeking a broad based consensus, how would you respond to that?
Re:”UMNO is not crying out loud to inform the world on its paramount position in Malaysian politics since independence. It earns the mandate through ballot box.”
Actually it is. If you have been keeping close watch on international propaganda, UMNO has always positioned itself as a moderate Islamic nation which enjoyed broad based multi ethnic/religious support.
Re:”The last election is a mental breakthrough to many. Te much hyped “terminology” Chinese as kingmaker is not true. chinese has some influence. But they alone cant dictate politics.”
To reverse this, the Chinese now know that they do not representation in Parliament to survive. This is also a mental breakthrough. They also realize that they can have influence on a State level in two of the more urban centres in Malaysia. I would argue that it is a mental breakthrough for every Malaysian.
Re;”What do you expect UMNO to do? “terhegeh hegeh” reaching to chinese only to be shown “middle finger’?”
Well yes. This is what happens in a functional democracy. The DAP is busy chasing of the Malay vote, why not UMNO the Chinese vote. Of course dismissing the Chinese vote is a poor strategy esp since by relying on the Malay vote alone it would mean that you have to be sure of majority Malay support all the time. Not to mention winning back the urban centres.
Re: “There is thing called “maruah”. Najib certainly learns the hard way. That because he ignored advices given from concerned Malays”
I would argue that it is hubris, that makes it impossible for UMNO to strategize effectively.
Re:” If UMNO is damn bloody racist…..”
Hey I said racialist. Even Mahathir claims to be a racialists. I think Gerakan was a good lapdog, a charge made by some of their veteran leaders but why go over old ground.
Re:”And what a joke about PR of not being racialist…”
Have you ever seen me make such an argument. In. Any. Of. My. Posts. Here. ?
Conrad,
So you want Najib to ‘terhegeh hegeh” after Chinese to be rejected again?
Najib has the choice. continue with his “terhegeh hegeh” attitude after Chinese votes and in the process lose the Malay votes.
I never say anything about protesting to UMNO’s approaching the Chinese. I just reminded UMNO to wise up. no matter what they give to chinese, UMNO will be rejected as UMNO simply represents Malays holding political power. And that is a sin to people like you.
On the other hand, PR represents Chinese controlling the politics.
As for racism, well that the DAP’s forte. But so nice of you to tacitly agree(along with the Chinese ) to pawn Chinese interest for the love to Lim dynasty.
But I respect the chinese not to be part of Federal government. So, “membankang lah baik baik’.
As for Gerakan “termed” as lapdog, well actually Malays too think PAS as “barua” DAP.
Abang shamshul anuar
Tak pening ka? Pimai-pimai tangtu…
‘Who reject who? UMNO, me, the Malays rejecting the Chinese or the other way around?
Please do not insinuate. Please accept reality that it is the chinese who totally rejected UMNO in the belief that it would fall come May 6, 2013. But unfortunately( or fortunately), UMNO still rules the land, minus the chinese representation.
Whose choice is that? Me? UMNO? or it is the choice that you, and entire Chinese community did?’
http://jawaber6.blogspot.com/2012/11/gempar-dap-mca-gerakan-berpakat.html
Shamshul,
re: “What is required is a firm hand. A politician who is not bothered with popularity, poll. A politician who is dare to say the unpleasant truth. Not a politician who is so keen on pleasing people.”
Do you believe that if Dr M was in charge today he would be able to rein in The J-Star and if yes, what course of action would he have taken?
re: “The truth is that all Malays whom I ask already say no matter what Najib does or give, he would not be supported by chinese anymore.”
So what should Najib do with the MCA between now and 2018? I believe Umno can let MCA die a natural death in GE14 by simply withholding the Malay-majority seats for MCA to contest. But in the interim, what is to be done with the BN Chinese parties?
It’s clear that the Chinese have thoroughly rejected the MCA. So what should MCA do (or not do) with regard to the Chinese community?
Thanks.
helen,
I do not have answer to that. But I know Dr Mahathir would certainly act. He may tolerate MCA as a dying political party that simply exists due to UMNO’s ehsan. But certainly he would not have its newspaper leans towards DAP.
In simple term. Never mind if MCA is unable to contribute. But please do not allow yourself to be used as a tool to attack BN.
On your second question,
There is a saying that generosity has its limit. Or in english you cant have cake and eat it too. MCA must win in Chinese area. That is the only way to earn respect. Just as UMNO battled PAS in Titiwangsa, Pendang, Baling, Jerlun, Kuala Besut.
Winning in Malay area shoud be a supllemantary move only. But the bulk of seats must be won in Chinese majority areas such as PJ, Subang Jaya, Ipoh.
By insisting on MCA to rely on Chinese areas, MCA will realise that it simply has no choice but to face DAP. It has to fight head on. MCA simply has to tell the Chinese that no way they alone can dictate the political term. That the best formula is friendship with the mAlays. AND THE TIES TO the largest Malay based political party:UMNO is ohly viable choice.
On the third question
“baliklah ke pangkal jalan”. meaning to solve the problem, you must know the problem itself. MCA simply cant parrot DAP. It will only lead to physical clash with the Malays.
MCA must drum into Chinese mind that the last election shows that despite total rejection of UMNO, it still won the election.
MCA must be brave to criticize DAP. That DAP”s way of inciting Chinese to hate UMNO simply for it being Malay in power will in turn hurt the Chinese interest more than that of the Malays.
More importantly, MCA must point out to chinese that as an example Constitution is clear on things like Scholarships in favour of Malays. Nothing racist. Just the reality. and do tell the reason behind it.
Often I told my Chinese friends about it. They were initially dumbfounded. But i notice their anger somehow reduced after my explanation.
Do you know that I have friends who send their chldren to Egypt for doing medicine. And they do not depend scholarship from the government(meaning UMNO). They are all Malays. Their children scored 10As in SPM. They do not moan and whine when the scholarship application is rejected.
In nutshell, I hope Chinese will not allow themselves to be “caged” by DAP.
As at today until next PRU, I often told off my Chinese friends who proudly shouted “ini kalilah” (before election) on how they feel being voted out of government instead they voted out UMNO.
No more “ini kalilah”. Just a blank look. Orang tamak selalu rugi.
Thanks for taking the trouble to reply.
re: “MCA must be brave to criticize DAP.”
MCA is not doing that but instead training their criticisms on BN. Vice president Gan Ping Sieu stressed: “For any issue, not only communal issues but national and public issues, MCA as a political party must express its stands openly and vocally”. (http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/238114)
What about UMNO bashing ? Everything blame on UMNO and Malay . Have you visiting Indonesia , Philippines or Myanmar lately ? Bro u tau tak Indonesia ada minimum wage tapi berapa minimum wage kat sana ? You just rely on news only that why you consider Malaysia as a failed state .
Bro, Singaporean only berlagak la . Kalau Singapore heaven ,tak payah beli rumah kat JB or enjoy kat lounge in JB .enjoy kat Singapore la. Why nak kena crossover to JB ?
Remember the case of of Indian lawyer migrated to Canada and back to Malaysia and said that malaysia is an oppressive state . Dapat drive Porsche still made negative comment about government leads by Malay ,susah la macam ni bro .
Otak kat lutut , sikit sikit pasal income tax . bro you tak tau ka if Chinese not a citizen Malay tak payah share all natural resources dengan Chinese , berapa banyak duit Petronas yang guna unuk subsidized petrol orang Cina , berapa banyak Goverment spent nak tingkatkan infrastructures untuk Cina berniaga . Dulu masa Tun M buat North South Highway , Jambatan PP kena bantai teruk dek LKS . Sekarang LGE nak buat terowong which far far costly …how good Cina is bro?
Helen blog bukan blame Chinese tapi just critical towards DAP and evangelized yang berlagak macam malaikat.
The Golden Chersones had its ups and downs,just like any lands out there. The outflows of pendatangs or pribumis was not and never will be, a problem. Time and again this part of the world has become the land of milk and honey to the manys. Haven’t you get to see the loads of pendatangs opening shops and sundries all over the country. People come and go. By all means, just go and stop bitching about it already!
Suvarnabhumi
Yup and there’s a reason why, it has been known as such for the longest time. Seriously the European looters don’t come here for the illegal massage parlours, do they?
Aagh. Don’t worry about them. They can go to hell if they want to, who cares. If you go, don’t come back. Don’t say you are coming back later when old, cos want to die and be burried in “tanah tumpah darahku”. We malays are no more stupid. If you thimk we are, then you are “bodoh”. We will survive in this changing world even if we have to crawl and feed ourselves once a day. Remember, Rome was not built in one day. The country dont depend on income tax alone to make it going. The country has more than that. So don’t threaten us with your insinuation, please.
Hahahah ST….I would think that is a VERY GOOD IDEA. Most C are bananas anyway. SO they will enjoy and have a better life in the west, or south and be a Mat Salleh celup and their fake accent is so ear-sore for many of us.
Also one way of reducing the C population in Malaysia which will further tighten the M/B group in ruling the country. C has never been loyal to Malaysia ( for that matter even their “homeland” too). They will migrate as they seek material success anywhere they can get.
Sometime way back, the USofA will usually grant visa to Malays visiting the USofA without much fuss and hassle as Malays are not known for their tendency to leave their TANAH TUMPAH DARAHKU, unlike the C. The C or other ethnic groups will be thoroughly interviewed, their assets in this country listed and other info deemed sensitive revealed to the USofA as once the C is in the USofA, they will blend and be lost and work illegally in restaurants in Chinatown.
Of course there are also C who is very loyal to our country but that is a dying breed. This group, like the M and other B groups are thankful for what we have. It is not perfect but that is what we gifted with…
And the new gen C breaks rules which long time ago, the C was also a party to the law-makers. and what is also obvious, DAP also do not follow their own rules…..wonder why called themselves Democratic..more relevant to called theselves Donkeys and Asses Party
So good riddance to those who seek out. Sure in 100 years, your eyes will be blue whilst your hair is already blonde…..
Selena Tay, on the contrary, it is not the Chinese DAP who is bullied. It is the Malay govt bullied and forced into submission by the minority DAP. You need extra brains ST for your mind is clouded by extreme prejudice and bias….DAPsters always see themselves as the underdog, handicapped but actually they are the evil and the devil….and that is also why there are so many evangelistas…………
re: “Sure in 100 years, your eyes will be blue whilst your hair is already blonde…”
Got blue contact lenses. Anyone can wear.
REF: “The majority of the Chinese voters will stand firm against BN’s bullying tactics. The more the Chinese voters are thrown a disadvantage, the more they will strive to overcome the challenge thrown at them and this issue will only strengthen the resolve of Chinese parents to send their children overseas for further studies and better opportunities.”
Oh my God Selena! Shouldn’t you have announced instead:
“The majority of the DAP members will stand firm against Lim Kit Siang’s bullying tactics during the electoral process of the Central Executive Committee of the Democratic Action Party. The more the ordinary people are shoved out of the common cause, the stronger shall they resolve to overcome the wiles of the grand marquis who designs his own political dynasty.”
Once again it’s the “lose a little skin, get up and do it again” creed of the people of dissonance.
Suppose, just supposing, the evangelistas want to herald the “we don’t need our heads” culture from abroad into the hearts and minds of our Malaysian youth… the likes of the bakkut alvivi sex fiends?
[YouTube]
LYRICS:
With wheels on the pavement,
We’re feeling so grand,
Lose a little skin, get up and do it again.
Head up in the clouds,
And our toes in the sand,
Lose a little skin, get up and do it again.
Hangin’ on the outside,
It’s so much more fun,
We don’t need our heads cuz our bodies are young.
Nights under moonlight,
And days in the sun,
We don’t need our heads cuz our bodies are young.
I used to hate sleep,
I’d think of all the things,
That I could be missing, let’s stay up until the morning.
We can go sledding if we want to,
We can do anything we want to,
We don’t want to miss a thing, let’s stay up until the morning.
We don’t need our heads,
When we’re jumping off buildings,
Lose a little skin, get up and do it again.
Selena Tay is scary. Otak tak center orang kata. Does she belong to Harvest Church also?
Helen you are fighting losing battle against evangelistas. I saw video on Yahoo news of the despot Pastor Kong of Harvest Church Singapore. He said thanks to Tan Sri **** *** **** the top 10 richest guy in Malaysia. Tan Sri was sitting in the church second row.
Rich and hardcore supporter. Patutlah kempen Hannah Yeoh kat Subang Jaya hebat betul. They still love the corrupt pastor walaupun pagar dah makan padi.
Hi Mas,
The Tan Sri is not in the Top 10 but among the Top 40 as listed by Forbes. And yes, he is a known staunch Christian.
Can you pls provide the url for the video that you’re referencing?
re: “Helen you are fighting losing battle against evangelistas.”
I know. They’ve got a well-heeled (lots of funding) and well-oiled machinery. Also very sneaky and not above spinning and slandering.
Chineses paying lots of income tax……the ‘mantra’ thats getting basi already. In this country, people come and go. Its not something new.
For the coolie class grandads of today’s chinese to come here, make money, educate their children who climbed into middle class, and now the grandchildren leaving to become world class, also nothing new. Its expected.
If their ancestors would not sacrifice for mother China, why would they sacrifice for “Tanah Melayu” come what may. Its better to leave before it gets worse – on the strength of perception alone.
Meanwhile they would continue to take, until its time to leave. Dah tak heran dah! Not giving back something? Anything? Don’t ask….
UNfortunately, certain people who got class but no brain! Hence they choose to be mat despatch for the descendants of the coolies from China.
Mat despatch never mind, at least he earns his keeps the honest way, Not like certain descendants of the coolies who become alongs, sell pirated DVDs/CDs, sell illegal numbers, operate gambling dens/illegal massage parlours cum brothels, organise crime gangs, take advantage of the greedy/horny politicians/civil servants by corrupting them with money and amoys etc etc – ie. earn their keeps dishonestly. Perhaps, fortunately the mat despatch does not have enough brain to become dishonest and ‘tipu’ peoples along the way to build up his fortune.
Somebody still thinks that Malay empires, the likes of Sriwijaya and Melaka, was actually build by aliens!
But then again, coolies, what do they know anyway!
Well said Pe’ah.
lol I don’t know whether to laugh or laugh some more. Openly announcing their unpatriotism of the country and still want to preach about the same thing in every political maneuver.
I really do hope these kind of people leave the country and seek opportunity elsewhere. It’s better for the country anyway.
Threatening economic woes when they leave the country. lolol. Really, I really am laughing out loud.
Please, do leave. Good riddance.
“Please, do leave. Good riddance.”
Said that Before, Still saying that now and will be saying that forever…
setuju.
Actually, the Chinese dominated dap (read:Lim’s family dynasty n cronies) discriminated the Indian party members n Chinese members’ dissents because the Lim’s family are a bunch of dictators and power crazy politicians.
with all due respect, Tun Mahathir has stepped down nearly a decade ago, so did lky. Look who’s power crazy now? Lks n lge accuse the government of the day (read:UMNO/Melayu) of ostracising the ethnic Chinese n Indians (Hindraf, anyone?), but it shows now it’s them who ostracise the Indians n the Chinese who disagree with them.
They call us racists, but it’s okay for them to racially abuse Bangladeshis?? Where’s the 40k bangladeshi who purportedly voted for BN in the last PRU13?
[Yes, this will happen if the Chinese perceive DAP as being bullied and they perceive that the situation is a disadvantage to them after the 13th general election.”
I shudder when I read this line because it made me uncomfortable how the writer interpret the Chinese support for DAP, which is out of good old pragmatism to something in the likes of blind devotion. But then people in love do see the world in a diferent light, and she is very much in love with her party. lol
Reading through the comments, many pride themselves true Malaysians because they chose to stay put. While those greedy and ungrateful ones, mostly Chinese of course, leave for greener pastures…
[Quote: …Malays are not known for their tendency to leave their TANAH TUMPAH DARAHKU, unlike the C. The C or other ethnic groups will be thoroughly interviewed, their assets in this country listed and other info deemed sensitive revealed to the USofA as once the C is in the USofA, they will blend and be lost and work illegally in restaurants in Chinatown.]
Then we have some who are thankful the Chinese finally came to their senses and leave this Malay-land to its rightful inhabitants.
[Quote: Aagh. Don’t worry about them. They can go to hell if they want to, who cares. If you go, don’t come back. ]
I had a few friends from my primary days who left for the States to seek ‘illegal’ employment. That was back in the 80s when US economy was booming and a clerk or supermarket cashier job back here would earn you RM200-350 a month.(not sure about KL though) To make ends meet, many left their family here and made their way there. These are good folks with Form 5 education. Every few months, the money would be transferred back home to their loved ones. THe US-MYR exchange rate was about 2.3 to 1 USD. Many were there for more than a decade and most missed out the best part of their children’s growing years. But then this is life isn’t it? There has to be sacrifice.
Why am I bringing this up? I am indignant folks equate leaving Malaysia for work to feed their family as unpatriotic. This sweeping generalization is no more true than calling people waiting for Govt handouts or throwing tantrums because there is not enough job for fresh grads to go around, as patriots.
As someone rightfully pointed here, the pressing issue at hand is job creation and growing our economic pie to compete. WHere we used to compete with Korea, HK, Singapore and the likes in the past, we are now relegated to competing with countries like Myanmar, Vietnam and Cambodia.
Having said it all, I don’t want to discount the contribution of those who stayed put. Just recognize the real traitors are those who manipulate issues jeopardizing national unity for personal gains.
Hi helen,
1. Dap kena face realiti lah. Dah tak sah. Jika tak patuh ROS habis nak patuh pada siapa? Semua salah Umno lagi. Umno pernah melalui saat getir ini. Satu parti besar yang akur.
2. Pengundi dungu. Siapa yang di perdungukan? Hanya pemilihan CEC boleh tersalah kira tetapi tidak pernah salah kira pada harta berbillion? Simple logic. Dinasty Lim. That’ s what they said. Pada orang cina totok ok. Pada ahli-ahli cina liberal, kaum hindu dan beberapa melayu berpatah arang, apa harga nya di sisi LGE?
3. Lebih baik dap di jenamakan baru kerana mca atau parti cina yang lain mungkin ingin bergabung. Dap boleh jadi abang besar dan boleh kawal semua nya. Pkr dan Pas bila-bila jadi pak turut dalam gabungan tersebut. Daftarkan segera.
Saya rasa dap tak berani. Seribu alasan akan di persembahkan. Maka kaum cina tertipu lagi…..
re: “Lebih baik dap di jenamakan baru kerana mca atau parti cina yang lain mungkin ingin bergabung.”
DAP masuk MCA atau MCA masuk parti baru DAP, same aje.
Pun sudah 90 peratus kaum Cina mengundi pembangkang.
Maae,
“…maka kaum Cina tertipu lagi…”
Tidak. kaum Cina tidak tertipu dalam hal urusan ROS berkenaan kesahihan pilihan dalam DAP.
Tetapi kaum Cina ambil pendirian menyokong DAP walaupun sudah terang bahawa pilihan dalam mesyuarat DAP menyaksikan ahli dari keturunan India sengaja dipinggirkan.
Kerana apa? Kerana kini masyarakat cina sudah merasakan DAP pilihan terbaik untuk menumbnangkan UMNO. Tumbangnya UMNO akan membawa satu dimensi baru poltik Malaysia.
Dimensi baru bermakna berakhirlah kuasa politik Melayu. Jadi masyarakat cina sanggup terima segala penyyelewengan dalam pemilihan DAP ini.
…..this issue will only strengthen the resolve of Chinese parents to send their children overseas for further studies and better opportunities….
Been going on since Merdeka so long as they have the money and able to communicate in English. Those without, will sneak in as illegals or overstay their whatever visas.
Will definitely creep home when nothing (business venture or employment) works for them overseas.
BN has no influence whatsoever, in C blood ,
From ST article :
“Yes, this will happen if the Chinese perceive DAP as being bullied and they perceive that the situation is a disadvantage to them after the 13th general election.”
But wait isn’t the DAP supposed to be a multiracial party ? Don’t they go around telling everyone that it is not a Chinese based party ?
But yeah, the ROS are partisan and it would seem not even interested in the appearance of being professional.
Selamat mononton rupa conman Singapura yang canggih. You can see Tan Sri KKP in second row as Christian conman thanking a pastor called Pringle. Selepas tu, acknowledge KKP who flew in from Europe to show support. Cara orang kaya dan fanatik.
I do maintain my integrity – Pastor Kong Hee
Thanks Mas. The Tan Sri is indeed mentioned by the pastor and seen @ 1:59. What eagle eyes you have ,)
Helen, see newspaper cutting below. Isnt this the same Tan Sri as mentioned by imPastor Kong ? And Kong thanked Tan Sri and Puan Sri..? So he has remarried? And this God-fearing- Lord is my mission- treats his wife like a prisoner and servant?
With this evangelist, Charity no longer starts at home. It now starts at City Harvest church!!
PETALING JAYA: Former beauty queen Pauline Chai (pic) has claimed that billionaire husband Tan Sri Khoo Kay Peng made her feel “like a prisoner” on their sprawling 404ha English country estate.
Speaking publicly for the first time since filing a high-profile divorce petition against Khoo in February, the 66-year-old Chai alleged that she could not leave their home without Khoo’s permission.
She said his staff had also informed her in an e-mail that she could only spend £50 (RM248.38) weekly on food.
“It said fruits were allowed and vegetables were allowed but I was not allowed to eat certain things that I wanted. My daughter said to me that I was being treated like a servant. I think she nailed it,” she said in a report by British tabloid Daily Mail.
Arabization anyone?
Eh the City Harvest logo macam itu belilah barangan Malaysia swoosh logo.
I don’t understand why everyone keeps harping on the brain drain issue. Those who chose to move overseas have their own reasons, which are varied. But the majority of them are neither geniuses nor possess rare talents.
I do see anything wrong with people staying or working overseas. It’s a personal choice and they consists of people of all races.
Selena is actually quite correct regarding the kids’ education. Which parent doesn’t hope for the best for their kids. Those who can afford will definitely send them overseas. As for the other reasons… I think she’s stretching it a bit too far…
What is more worrying is actually the outflow of capital and lack of new business investments locally, which is actually more critical, for the economy to grow.
I know many will dispute this… but the ‘kecinaan’ that so many despise is the very thing that kept the harmony, because the Cina on the street don’t crave leadership. They are more concerned about livelihood issues, such as the economy.
I’m no expert in politics, but the last election should actually removed any insecurity the Malays had before this. The constant Chinese bashing will make things worse for all. It’s the wrong target.
Anyway, the party that most readers here love to hate has perfected the art of perception. The perception of being the victim, while being the victors…. :)
re: “Anyway, the party that most readers here love to hate has perfected the art of perception. The perception of being the victim, while being the victors…. :)”
:)
Talk Kok and victim’s MENTALiti 3.0
http://bbcdrasmi.blogspot.com/2013/08/cina-pun-mahu-duit-zakat-teresa-kok.html#sthash.fgYizOz3.dpbs
Mungkin seputeh boleh jawab?
except for Teresa and Kinrara’s residents, I doubt others are even aware of those issues…
But surely some of the others here can whitewash it anytime. With OKM being super friendly to the Muslims, Seputeh may be getting what she asks for!
The news appeared in a blog, so I’m not sure of it’s accuracy. If indeed there is truth in it, then perhaps the answer lies in the motive, not the issues. Why would the Chinese ask for zakat funds? Most don’t even know what it is.
Just like LKS’s reply to Dr. M’s article on Chinese Dilemma. I quote: …. “I will like to know whether there is any Chinese in Malaysia who will stand up and state that Mahathir is right that there is such a “Chinese dilemma” in Malaysia!”…
The Chinese Malaysian is used to mask the motive, which is actually him defending DAP. Because the real message of Dr.M’s article is actually about MCA & DAP. And indeed, it is more than a Chinese Dilemma. It’s a crisis.
Shamsul,
I want Najib to continue seeking the middle ground which would mean appealing to all voters. I certainly don’t think that he should be throwing money or appealing to the lowest commonon denominator in the Chinese community or any other community.
Seeking the middle means tempering the rhetoric coming out of UMNO, applying the law of the land fairly, reforming institutions in a concrete and transparent manner and disengaging from the business as usual politics that has defined UMNO for decades.
By saying that you are merely reminding UMNO that people like me and the Chinese community reject UMNO as a Malay power structure is fallacious not to mention in essence rejecting overtures to the Chinese community. In a way you did answer part of my question.
I would remind you that I am more or less an independent voter now but if UMNO rejects the middle ground then I see no reason to vote for them or anyone associated with them.
I don’t know where you get the idea that I tacitly implied that Chinese interest should be pawned in favor of Lim dynastic interest but then again you have many rather queer ideas about my political stance.
I am glad you respect the Chinese not to be part of the Federal government but I think that choice is merely a means to be part of a Federal government in which they have some influence over rather than being merely yes-men.
Agreed that many UMNO partisans consider PAS a lapdog to the DAP.
Shamsul,
“…Seeking middle ground…”
As far as I see it, Najib’s administration is reluctant to act against racist Chinese but very fast when it comes to Malays. that is the general perception that the Malays have on Najib.
What rhetorics that come out of UMNO? DId UMNO provoke the chinese community? No. UMNO’s sin is simply because it does try defending Malay rights and that is already a sin to DAP.
UMNO never reject the middle ground. Remember UMNO stands on cooperation with non Malays at times when PAS branding it sinful for alliance with non Muslims.
The one rejecting middle ground is DAP. It acts as if non Chinese do not exist in this country. It consistently opposes to the Quota already enshrined in the constitution. It paints as if only chinese denied entry to public university. It consistently refuses uniting school children under one school with malicious lies that int is the first step towards abolishing vernacular schools . If that is the intention, UMNO would have abolished vernacula school 56 years ago.
In Penang Malay stalls demolished but Chinese literally operate their stalls on the street. Ask any Malay and they will tell you on rampant discriminations against non chinese in private sector.
The truth is that the Federal Government that Chinese wants is the Federal Government controlled by the Chinese. Simply said, Chinese are not interested in sharing with others. They want to control everything.
So, i know you are not saying the truth. Humble and generous the Malays could have been but their generosity also have limit like other races too. That is the reason why PAS influence among Malays is waning as PAS is seen as “barua DAP”.
CORRECTION
“..Many UMNO partisans,…”
Actually the feeling is not limited to UMNO members only. It is the general feeling of the Malays. which explain why I know PAS members who voted for UMNO in the last election.
Anyway, there is no need to worry. without Chinese also UMNO can rule the land. Not that we rejected the Chinese. They in their hope to topple the government , ejected themselves out of the government.
“tak apalah. Itu kehendak dia”.
“dia in gat dia cerdik. Orang cina dah kena kelentong dengan DAP juga Anwar Ibrahim”.
Shamsul,
As far as I can tell, the Najib administration and the ones before it were always quick to act against Non Malays accused of “provocations” and let the Malays accused of the same remain untouched by the law. It is selective prosecution of this type, which has harnessed the Oppositional forces of this country into a potent force.
Polemics like “Chinese tsunami” and statements by various ministers from UMNO including the recent statement by the DPM are the kind of divisive rhetoric that agitates the Chinese community. UMNO’s defence of so called Malay rights extends to the claim that any attack on the functionality of the bureaucracy and instruments of government is tantamount to attacking “Malay” rights.
I agree that UMNO was using PAS as the Islamic boogie man and PAS was intent on playing that role. Coupled with this was an agenda of Arabization that went unchallenged by the Non Malay component members of BN, which has resulted in UMNO abandoning the middle ground. This is why PR is a viable alternative.
There is no quota enshrined in the Constitution. Furthermore what the Chinese want is a needs based System rather than a race based one. The fact that DSAI has gone out of his way together with his PAS allies to reassure the Malay community that they would benefit the most from this needs based System points the racial quagmire we are in.
I have no doubt the private sector is racist. I have said as much in many of my post here. I too could bring up many instances where the State’s bureaucracy has been biased against the Non Malays. Ask any Non Malay he would tell you that the public sector is also racist against them. This is why I always advocate reform of the two to happen simultaneously.
As I have said many times, the Chinese want to redefine the power sharing formula were they are equal partners with the Malays. They realize they will never gain Federal power without the Malays. If they were really interested in power at all cost they would be content to remain the moneymen through the MCA.
I have no idea if PAS is losing influence with the Malays. Maybe they are or maybe it is stagnating. I know PAS played it hand very well in the Kuala Besut by election. UMNO spent what …half a billion in campaign promises and god knows how much else to secure an additional 158 votes.
UMNO can form the Federal government with the help of Sabah and Sarawak not to mention the rural heartland. UMNO is dying to get back the cash cow which is Selangor and Penang. Every victory seems to be Pyrrhic.
One day you are going to wake up and realize that the Chinese are not your enemy. They may be competitors but that’s not the same thing. The enemy was always within.
Conrad,
Let us be honest here. Najib is right. Chinese tsunami is a reality. That happened in PRU 13.
DAP with useless Anwar misled the Chinese into believing that this time Malays deserted UMNO. DAP played with racial issue.
You can try to deny. But the reality is staring at you. Believing DAP’s lies, Chinese wholeheartedly rejected BN(more importantly rejected outright UMNO).
“ini kalilah” . This time around the Malay party that for long stands against the DAP will fall. The line would be clear for DAP for its anti Malay agenda.
I never say or claim Chinese are my enemy. BUt ask any Malay and he will tell you Chinese are supporting the racist DAP that is waging war against the Malays.
BUT YOU ARE RIGHT. The enemy is within. So sure the chinese that this time is the time bury UMNO that they they forget they were played out by DAP.
The truth is opposite. The enemy is within. Malaysia is for all. Not for Lim Dynasty or chinese only. You are darn wrong on “competitors” here. The reality is that you want to sapu’ everything for Chinese only.
What you said about Kuala Besut shows that you do not understand the Malays. Development is one nice carrot but it is not all.
The real reason why UMNO prevails is because Malays are starting to question PAS. This is another Tsunami often overlooked.
It is happening. How UMNO manages to unseat PAS in Malay majority areas almost in all areas. Not because of totally supporting UMNO but to teach PAS a lesson.
What happened in Pendang, Baling, Balik Pulau, Machang, Ketereh, Titiwangsa where PAS lost to UMNO. Malay s begin to wise up. In Alor Setar, should UMNO contested itself, it would have won the seat. But malays upset with UMNo allowing A chinese from MCA to contest, thus voted an independent, splitting the Malay votes.
It serves as a lesson that goodwill among Malays are dying. all come to conclusion that while they can be “cordial” to the chinese, Chinese as a race are not to be trusted. the same cordiality cant be expected from the Chinese.
Please do not insult me by accusing that i think Chinese are my enemy. Please remember your elders( no intention to insult) got citizenship courtesy of Malay Rulers in scale unheard off and until today a world record. that shows generosity and beauty worth admiration.
The truth is that Chinese knowingly tolerate DAP playing racial issue in the belief that they can seize power. It did not materialise unfortunately(or fortunately) .
What they choose to ignore is they are putting themselves against Malays physically .
So the crap on good governance is a mere facade. Stop insulting intelligence when everyone knows that DAP manipulate its internal election to perpetuate Lim Dynasty.
Shamsul,
I reject the argument of a “Chinese tsunami” and I have given my reasons why on another of one of our numerous exchanges. My reasons remain the same.
Every political party plays the racial issue. The power sharing formula is about race. Neither PR nor BN has any interest in changing this, so accusing one party or coalition of using race, is illogical.
The Chinese didn’t believe the “lies” of the DAP. What they believed was that the MCA had cease to act as their voice in the government. The DAP just harnessed this dissatisfaction to their advantage like any functional political party.
The DAP doesn’t have an anti Malay agenda. They have an anti UMNO agenda. They assumed that the anti UMNO sentiment was as strong within a majority of the Malay community as it was in the Chinese community. They were wrong.
In a war you have an enemy. You claim that the DAP is waging war against the Malays. You conflate the DAP and the Chinese community. Nothing in all your post gives any indication that you view the Chinese community as anything but an enemy which should be vanquished.
The Chinese were not played out by the DAP but the community overestimated the anti UMNO sentiment which did not translate to votes for their counterpart parties in PR.
My point of Besut was the stagnation of Malay support and the fact that every UMNO victory seems to cost more.
I think UMNO prevails for a variety of reasons. although some gains were made in Sarawak, UMNO controls the Malay heartlands and Sabah. They have lost the urban communities which are the cash cows.
UMNO has always managed to beat PAS in rural constituencies. This is nothing new. What is new is that PAS may be slowing making inroads which is why the level of hostility during campaign seasons was high.
UMNO should not be giving seats to the MCA merely to give an impression of a multiracial coalition. If the MCA has lost the Chinese vote, they should be out in the cold.
You say that you do not consider the Chinese your enemies but then go on to say that as a race they should not be trusted. Do you not see the contradictions you pass of as Malay truth ?
Please do not insult me by saying that you do not consider the Chinese your enemies when by your own words you consider them enemies. Please be grateful that the Non Malays contributed to the development of this country, which is why you are not in a position of other so called Islamic countries.
The truth is that the Chinese exercised their democratic right in a country which claims to want to be the best democracy in the world but now a certain section of the Malay community vilifies them for doing just that.
While you may think that threats will cow people into voting for UMNO/BN, you are very mistaken. Nothing last forever and one way or another UMNO will find itself in a situation where it will have to answer for why its decades long rule has had no effect on the class disparities of the Malay community. The eventual reckoning will either happen in the ballot box or the streets.
Don’t worry though, I am sure in the latter, the Chinese will be collateral damage but the real winner will be PAS.