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If there was a “shootout”, why was the dead suspect’s head on the pillow?

Tsk, tsk, tsk, Umno ni … retak menanti belah.

Dah lah kalah undi popular PRU13, nanti tewas PRU14 pula dan terus terkeluar daripada kerajaan kelak.

Doncha know The Sneaky Star is just waiting to help oust Umno? Menara Star could well be markas propaganda DAP.

Let me explain what I’m hinting at but first look at the photographs below. They are the men who died in Sg Nibong whom The J-Star labelled “murder victims [shot by the police]”.

The Chief of Police claimed that there was a shootout / firefight at Century Bay Apartment.

If the suspect(s) had shot back, why is his head on a pillow and his body laying on the bed?

Read my previous posting ‘The J-Star kata tembak mati 5 lelaki India adalah kes “mangsa pembunuhan” polis

SgNibongPillowx

Now look at the photos of the others shot dead.

This man appears to have been shot at the back of the head. Observe the pool of blood.

Also notice that his hand is wrapped.

SgNibongHeadshot

The next photo shows clearly the deceased’s hand wrapped in a brown paper bag.

Also scrutinize the bullet wounds. If I’m not mistaken, it looks like he has been shot somewhere under the chin.

This is why the Indian oppo polies have declared that the men were shot “point blank”. The angle of such a shot is not consistent with a shootout. It pictures the muzzle of the gun held at close range.

Now you have to consider whether the Indian men were armed (it was 4.30am when the police raided the apartment, according to the media reports) and whether they had in fact surrendered. More on this later.

SgNibongUnderChin

The next photo more clearly shows the bullet entry points.

It is smack between the eyes, in the temple and in the middle of the chest.

His right hand is similarly covered in a paper bag. Why, you must ask.

SgNibongbetweenEyesx

Now you THINK, please

The police made the standard claim that they acted in self-defence.

However consider this scenario. Supposing the men had surrendered and put up both their hands (in surrender) …

Reference this: ‘Gunshot residue on victim’s hands may tell the story

handresidue

Hands tell the story

If you’re an avid fan of CSI, you’d know that “Residue also is found on the hands of the shooter because some particles come out of the cartridge ejector and a space around the trigger” (from the article linked above).

“But the volume that comes from those areas is not as large as the amount that blows out the muzzle”.

So imagine that the suspects had put their hands up in surrender. All the five suspects were shot dead.

Note that gunshot residue blows out of the muzzle of the shooters’ (in this case the police) guns.

Next, imagine that the suspects are confronted by the police as the photos indicate they were shot from close range. They instinctively put up their hands to protect their face (this is a reflex action).

The article I’ve cited that the victim’s hand may tell the story says “It is not unusual to find gunshot residue on the hands of victims because they often put their hands up in self defense”.

I’m just suggesting this theory because there must be a reason why the hands are wrapped in paper bag. Or perhaps the police would care to tell us.

Now think again, all of you who are supporters of Umno

As the Umno president has himself admitted, the BN lost the battle of perception in GE13.

So how is Umno linked to the narrative above?

Well, the Umno bloggers have come out guns blazing at Hindraf chairman Waytha Moorthy over his statement.

Given what has leaked out so far, which side of the political divide do you think will win the propaganda war over this police shooting case?

Guns trained on Umno

Aside from his position as Hindraf chairman, Waytha Moorthy is also a Deputy Minister appointed by Najib.

And we all know that there is a ‘Get Najib’ campaign that is being carried out. A number of targets in the PM’s periphery have been hit in the current move by a faction in Umno to force Najib to step down.

Shooting at Waytha Moorthy is shooting at the Najib administration’s own foot.

I’ll just illustrate two examples of the pro-oppositionists who have exploited WM’s statement to cast aspersions on the establishment. One is The Sneaky Star.

http://www.thestar.com.my/Opinion/Columnists/Why-Not/Profile/Articles/2013/08/23/No-place-for-collateral-damage.aspx
http://www.thestar.com.my/Opinion/Columnists/Why-Not/Profile/Articles/2013/08/23/No-place-for-collateral-damage.aspx

The J-Star baling batu sorok tangan

Today The J-Star has the following article penned by its deputy executive editor Dorairaj Nadason — ‘No place for collateral damage‘.

Dorairaj wrote:

“But there are also questions. Having seen photographs of the dead men, Deputy Minister in the Prime Minister’s Department P. Waytha Moorthy has expressed doubts that there was a shootout. Instead, he says it looks like they were shot from close range. If the men had been unarmed or asleep at the time of the incident, he feels they should just have been arrested.”

Correct that the Deputy Minister had expressed doubts that there was a shootout and that it looks like the men were shot from close range.

But nowhere in the Senator’s statement had he either said or implied that “If the men had been unarmed or asleep at the time of the incident”.

And how would the paper know what Waytha Moorthy “feels” anyway? Sneaky, sneaky Star yang baling batu sorok tangan.

It is obvious that Dorairaj mentioned the bit about the “if the men had been unarmed or asleep” since The J-Star yesterday (correction) on Aug 21 had labelled the five dead as “murder victims [shot by the police]”.

How sneaky of the J-Star editor to slip in the sensitive information about the men being asleep but the Scissorati refusing to themselves bear the consequences of being called up by the Home Ministry! Instead The Sneaky Star put the words into the mouth of a Deputy Minister — which Waytha Moorthy did not say in his press statement.

What are the implications of the J-Star agenda?

We know that some 90 percent of the Chinese electorate have turned against the BN and cannot be budged.

Now it is the wavering Indian votes which are at stake and we’re aware with whom The J-Star‘s loyalty lies, aren’t we?

There are an estimated half a million potential new Indian voters — the newly eligible (just turned 21), the first-time voters, i.e. those previously not registered to vote, and the stateless Indians who may be acquiring their MyKad anytime between now and 2018.

All the pro-opposition media are doing their utmost to swing the Indian vote bank to Pakatan.

‘Shot like animals’

Now examine another report by Malaysiakini about the Deputy Minister’s statement — ‘Waytha questions manner of killing of suspects‘ (20 Aug 2013).

The J-Star and Malaysiakini are brothers in arms.

Below is the relevant excerpt from Malaysiakini that imputed something to Waytha Moorthy which he did not say. Only Malaysiakini is not as bad as The J-Star evangelista.

Malaysiakini reported:

“[CPO] Khalid said yesterday that police had fired in self-defence, and had linked the three pistols retrieved to 10 murders and two attempted murder cases.

“However, a family member of one of those killed claimed that they were shot “like animals”.

Waythamoorthy said the Indian Malaysian community was very concerned that they appeared to have become the target of a ‘shoot-to-kill’ policy.

In past years, he said, many youths have been shot dead and police were not able to justify their actions.”

Sneaky, sneaky, sneaky

It was actually a family member who said that the Indian youths were “shot like animals”. However the sentence is inserted between what the CPO and what the Deputy Minister said. The bulk of the Malaysiakini article was a reproduction of Waytha Moorthy’s statement.

Hearing that the five men were “shot like animals”, needless to say, would make the Indians very upset and angry.

And they will be upset and angry at Umno because the oppo are perpetually linking the police to Umno. They might even think, or it might later be misreported in the re-quotes from the Malaysiakini article, that a deputy minister in Najib’s cabinet had conceded that the youths were “shot like animals”.

Can you see how the pro-oppo media play with perception and incite public sentiment?

Reflect on how underhandedly Gunting dalam Lipatan are playing the political war game. And winning.

Compare with how gung-ho the Umno bloggers are shooting on sight, firing at random and oftentimes aiming at their own team. The harshest criticisms of Najib are, at the moment, coming from an Umno faction.

Be careful what you wish for

Those Malays and Umno-ites calling for Najib’s removal may inadvertently cause the entire House of Umno to come tumbling down.

Surely these critics realise that Pak Lah was toppled more because of the attacks coming from within Umno itself than from the ragtag opposition in 2008.

It may make you happy if Najib were to lose his cache as Umno president but these acts of undermining the party from within will likely cause Umno to lose the next general. Haven’t you heard of the saying “Win the battle but lose the war”?

The battle is Umno guys firing shots across the bow at BN and its affiliates when the real war is against Pakatan. So yeah, please do keep on shooting at your own foot to Pakatan’s great delight.

Updated: 6.40pm

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160 thoughts on “If there was a “shootout”, why was the dead suspect’s head on the pillow?

  1. Ironic is it not? These fringe Mahathir supporters will call you a ‘traitor’, ‘race traitor’, ‘ungrateful immigrant’ if you did not support Najib. For criticising Najib you deserve to be locked up in ISA, kicked out of the country or have your citizenship revoked. But they are now doing the same thing as the opposition supporters…. criticising Najib, and worse, trying to take him down from within.

    Who are the real traitors now?

    1. Helen, its all about reality now for the Malays. The reality of the situation is dire now for the Malays with the current Najib, Pak Lah, Mahathir style of Malay government.

      Do you agree on this? Well it seems the majority of Malays agree on this. The veteran and wise old editor Kadir Jasin even said that to improve the Malay situation, UMNO must lose the election!

      Or something about UMNO must lose to that effect.

      Now that is a stupid thing to ask for.

      Does the Malays want UMNO tol lose? Of course not. Not Ever because this is their country.

      So how to change to stop the Robber Barons now continuting robbing PNB and GLCs with the Malay votes gave to UmNO in PRU13?

      These are unscrupulous people who want to make money, thank you Najib while they can.

      The Malays can change UMNO leadership. UMNO is a democratic Malay party. We Malays are humble and democrats to the core. look Onn Jaafaar, Tunku all simply relinquishing their power without tears.

      The problem lies in the abuse of trust by Indians in UMNO who until recently seems to bask in the power of the Malays to enirch their Indian cronies and Chinese. This is because the Malays of UMNO are busy being teachers, police, army and civil servants.

      But not anymore. Malays professional are realising that billions have been amassed by Chinese and Indians unconstituionally.

      Thus the disgust with UMNO Presidents who wallowed in corruptons and abuse of power.

      So for the Malays its, one: give chance for another Malay to lead UMNO, two: let UMNO lose in PRU14. But why? by then the Robber barons would have stolen more, why wait. thirdly; ask the Malay military to assume temporary power like MAGERAN to put the house in constituntional order i.e cancelled all the licenses and concessionaires to chinese and indians.
      Merdeka! Merdeka! Merdeka!

      Pada tarikh keramat ini satu pembacaan Deklarasi Kemerdekaan Persekutuan Tanah Melayu akan di adakan. Ya tuan-tuan kemerdekaan, ini pada tanggal 31hb Ogos 1957 adalah kemerdekaan Persekututan Tanah Melayu bukan malaysia!

      1. Yet again bashing Indian Muslims. i know for a fact that you are not Malay. In fact, I don’t even know what you are but nice try there. Go on. Keep on bashing Indian Muslims. The more the better, and merrier.

        Speaking of Robber Barons, the other side did even better. Barely a month in office in The Silver State and we have Tailor Gate.

        Why the rush ? Luckily the Silver State made a wise decision in GE13. Otherwise had the Opposition won the state again, there would be more Tailor Gate like shenanigans.

      2. Please la…then tell the hawaiians dun celebrate Independance day and other US states that did not enter the Union until later than July 4.

        During thid time, DAPSTERS and Anglophiles will spin around the 31st August as not being the true merdeka day because these buffoons have their minds shackled to self righteous agendas or simply ‘ only me me me and me is right’.

        1. Its funny ain’t it? Spoken to some east Malaysians whom agree with the celebration of Hari Malaysia, celebrated annually now, on 16 September.

          Wonder should Batam choose to join Malaysia on 31 December this year, whether we will be changing our Hari Malaysia towards this date pulak, simply to accommodate and jaga hati the people of Batam…

          Kelakar lah Ini Negara!

          1. There is a difference.

            Before Hawaii and Alaska joined the United States, the American federation had 48 states and they celebrated their Independence Day on the 4th of July. Their country was already called USA.

            Before Sabah and Sarawak (and Singapore) merged with Malaya, there was no country called Malaysia. So Malaysia is a new country and it was formed on Sept 16.

            Are all the 14 states in Malaysia equal?

            Are Sabah and Sarawak equal to Perlis and Malacca? Look at the map and compare their sizes. Perlis has 3 Parliamentary constituencies and Sarawak has 31. We need passports to enter Sabah and Sarawak.

            And not all the 14 states are the same administratively. Wilayah does not have Aduns. The executive heads of Penang, Malacca, Sabah and Sarawak are Chief Ministers and in the rest they are Menteris Besar. In Wilayah, it’s different again — there’s the FT Minister and the KL mayor.

            1. Ok kalau Batam masuk Malaysia dan kata kita tak inclusive when celebrating hari Malaysia, then how?
              Kecil besar dah satu hal. You masuk federation, you ikut la federation. Helen takkan wa masuk lu rumah, wa buat suka hati wa, ignoring your values and preference?

              ‘We need passports to enter Sabah and Sarawak.’

              Yes and its quite ridiculous to me. Harimau Malaya pun diminta tukar. Sebab orang Sabah dan Sarawak tak boleh relate, katanya, tak inclusive enough.

              Sama la macam geng yang mocking lagu kebangsaan. Apa salahnya kalau trang bulan atau memula moons dijadikan reference atau diambil terus sekalipun, sebagai lagu kebangsaan. Kita akur dan hormat la perlambangan kenegaraan kita. Apa yang susah sangat?

              By the look of it, should Batam masuk Malaysia (or Acheh, lagi besar kan), surely we will Ubah our Hari Malaysia. And Ubah. And Ubah lagi should Maldives pula nak masuk.

              Kelakar lah Ini Negara!

            2. “Are all the 14 states in Malaysia equal?

              Are Sabah and Sarawak equal to Perlis and Malacca? ”

              Helen, of course all 14 states in Malaysia are equal. What makes you think otherwise. Sabah has only 1.8 million population. KL has 3 million. So you just cannot compare size of land area. The Federated Malays States were all independent in 1957, while Sabah and Sarawak were still colonised in 1963. They cannot be equal to the whole of the independent Federated Malay States.

              And they would have remain colonised if not for Tunku and his big heart. Tunku was english educated and spent his time in england so he was the most articulate english wise among the Malays.

              The 20 points in the Malaysia agreement is to protect the natives in Sabah and Sarawak against Indians and Chinese who are trouble makers and land destroyers like Tian Chua etc. They were afraid being aligned with the Federated Malay States meant opening up to the chinese and Indians as well.

              They could have chosen to be Filipinos or Indonesians but they chose to be with the Federated Malays States. Who knows why? The cobbold Commision confirmed these.

              Maybe it was P Ramlee influence. The Sabahan and Sarawakian love P Ramlee and Saloma. Culturally P Ramlee was very egalitarian and until today his dialogue and his songs strike a chord with Sabahans and Sarawakian more than in Semenanjung. A Sabahan pointed out that P Ramee movies speak like Sabahan malay.

              1. God! Even today, there are people like you who obviously don’t know anything about the formation of Malaysia!

                Sabah, Sarawak and Singapore were equal partners in the formation of Malaysia in 1963, i.e. each state is equivalent to the whole of Malaya.

                FYI, it wasn’t Tunku who ‘helped’ Sabah, we were actually asked whether we wanted to join Malaya, and together with the two other S states, we did.

                You asked why we chose to join Malaysia, it was because Tun Mustapha said so. Sabahans wanted to continue to be a colony but the Brits impressed upon Tun that the safety of the people is best guarded by joining forces with Malaya and the other 2 states.

                Did it ever occur to you why Sabah has to make up 25% of the electorate? Cuba fikir kenapa.

                You obviously need to read more before you comment.

                1. Mr. Sabahan…are those Lord and sir from the Cobbold Comms are only puppet? Walauweh…should ask my children taking A-Level so that he don’t have to study misleading history facts of Malaysia.

    2. Why is a Jew supporting the Silver State? shrugs..
      Indian bashing..? far from it. Just fighting for Malay rights in the Federated Malay States. And keeping UMNO to its true fight. Bangsa dan Negara.

      “The battle is Umno guys firing shots across the bow at BN and its affiliates when the real war is against Pakatan. So yeah please do keep on shooting at your own foot to Pakatan’s great delight.”

      Is that your opinion Helen? I get confused with so many cross references sometimes could not get whether its a quote or the opinion of the blogger.

      Really? Is the battle against Pakatan? It may disappoint Helen that the Malays are not angry with MCA chinese or STAR..hehe.. why should we? They are just doing things to survive.

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      Helen: The rest of this comment is deleted. I can’t publish his repetitive accusations that a certain VIP has plundered billions. Also this commenter is overly obsessive about faulting the mamaks and their connections in Umno.

  2. UMNO bloggers reflect the Malay community, which is generally disunited. Most Malays can’t agree on fundamental issues pertaining to religion, race, and politics. And the intensity of their disagreement is so great that they would go online to express it using foul, demeaning and sometimes slanderous language. They don’t take a moment to ponder that what they write or say can be taken out of context or made into nasty soundbites . Take Nazri in this article from TMI:

    http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/under-fire-nazri-fights-back-calls-his-critics-stupid

    Nazri appears stupid to have made such a comment because it obviously backfired. From a sampling of the TMI comments, it is obvious the oppo supporters think HE is the stupid one.

    The Chinese have their disagreements, but they are good at hiding them. They don’t air their dirty laundry in public. And their political leanings are generally directed against UMNO. I am sure even MCA supporters would like for some UMNO members to be taken down a notch or two.

    If the UMNO bloggers want to do their readers a service, they should publish factual accounts of current and give their readers chances to comment. This will give them the appearance of being neutral. Then they should write to the government officials personally to convey the message. Instead, they shoot their mouths off at any opportunity they get, thinking they represent the official mouthpiece of UMNO grassroot supporters.

    Take papagomo. He is prime example why UMNO bloggers are just idiots who think too highly of themselves. Even when he tried to atone for his sins by putting his own hat in the ring, it was obvious he was half-hearted about it. The lies and half-truths he published on his site to tarnish the reputations of others finally caught up with him.

    1. re: “I am sure even MCA supporters would like for some UMNO members to be taken down a notch or two.”

      I’m sure the majority of MCA members voted oppo.

      Berani ke BN release the GE13 postmortem?

        1. He is being sensible.

          Releasing it would mean, pouring oil to the fire and will further deteriorate the race clash between Malay and Chinese which is already at rock bottom.

          Frankly I think he couldn’t care less about the Chinese for all that he care. He doesn’t need the Chinese support to rule the country. Economy? OneI stroke of fatwa from one extreme “Ustaz” will kill the Chinese business in no time. Or he can start take control of all the essential items and franchise it to the Malay only if he wants to etc.

          But he is a LEADER and MUSLIM leader first and foremost. Islam menuntut PEMIMPIN YANG ADIL. Antara mereka yang pertama masuk NERAKA kalau tak silap ialah PEMIMPIN YANG ZALIM (kalau tak silap). You have to view it from that angle, but keep in mind that he is no ANGEL and one has one limit.

          1. A piece of trivia:

            1971-1990: New Economic Policy
            1990-2000: National Development Policy
            2000-2010: National Vision Policy
            2010-2020: National Transformation Policy

            Like it or not, economically we’re still 7 more years to go on Najib’s Transformational Malaysia Plans.

            1. Exactly. He is using his brain and not KEPALA LUTUT; like once upon a time PM with various projek mee segera. and I am still livid with the MENANTU.

              The success of this plan will depend on peace and stability of this country. There is a lot of give and take that needs to take place but of course no single party will be equally happy at the end.

                  1. Re . Ahli UMNO takut projek (status quo) sangkut!

                    Ni lah saki baki yang dia rasuah dulu untuk menang kut? But now the format is different. BTW, who are allowed to vote this time around?

  3. I will still hold my judgement until I find out more about the shootout case in Sungai Nibong. I do find it strange their hands have been wrapped in paper bags.

    1. It could also be to test for gunpowder residue if the suspects themselves had fired guns. Nonetheless the shooting has been several days already and the police hasn’t mentioned anything about this.

      “Family members and friends of the deceased alleged that the photo images showed guns had been wrapped with cloth in the left hand of some the deceased when they were right-handed.” — see http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2013/08/20/families-want-cops-charged-with-murder/

      The family were referring to the man in the 3rd photo I’ve reproduced above.

      However the CPO did say that the ballistics (I’d take it as matching the bullets and calibre of the guns) had been ultra speedily concluded and he pronounced the suspects guilty as charged.

      1. Re. “However the CPO did say that the ballistics (I’d take it as matching the bullets and calibre of the guns) had been ultra speedily concluded and he pronounced the suspects guilty as charged.”

        My take on this is, the police have got to do whatever they have got to do, collateral damage or no collateral damage included.

        Whether they like it or not, the oppo., the Cina DAP and most Indians have already formed their opinion about the police force (negative that is). Work need to get done. Time for being moderate and tolerant is over, a clear and strong signal need to be sent out. Otherwise you will see more and more Penyamum dan Penyangak dan juga yang kurang ajar pada pihak police.

        1. re: “a clear and strong signal need to be sent out”

          You are correct that a clear and strong signal had been sent out.

            1. Sabarlah Bang oii… Polis dah kenyataan bulan lepas kalau tidak silap yang mereka akan lancarkan perang habisan-habisan.

              This is just the beginning.

              1. Fed up already with PM kucing. A new beginning for me would be Muhyidin Yassin taking over from gendang cina playing bangsawan!

      2. I suppose it would be for the forensics tests later for gunpowder residue, to protect against contamination of the hands during transport to the coroner.

  4. Re. “Those Malays and Umno-ites calling for Najib’s removal..”

    I almost joined the bandwagon despite my earlier full support for him. However, looking at the current development e.g. with the police force going all out doing their job, the court of appeal verdict on Kalimah Allah issue, plus several others that I need not have to mention here, I can see that he has started to show his claw.

    UMNO members just have to see it and rationalize it themselves. Don’t keep searching for things that are yet to crystallize but look at what has been put on the table so far. One issue that I am pretty sure that will “menyakitkan hati Cina DAP” in particular is the drop in percentage of enrollment for the Chinese in IPTA this year. Have you heard any development about it thus far? It just died down apparently, what can the Cina DAP do about it, they are not represented in the government.

    As an Ultra-Racist-Malay I am happy to hear that UITM is willing to offer placement for those Malay students who fail to get placement in other IPTA. This is another good news.

    There are other initiatives that have taken place as well before for instance, the Kedai Rakyat 1Malaysia to combat the monopoly of the Chinese monopoly in essential goods e.g. sugar, cooking oil, flour, etc. where in the past their monopoly had resulted in escalating price and good shortage (and very often that is), but now you hardly hear that. Sorry to say “Sifat Peniaga Cina Yang Tamak Haloba dan Busuk Hati sebenarnya yang selalu membeban rakyat”.

    Cina DAP jangan nak bermegah dan bongkak yang mereka menguasai ekonomi dari segi perniagaan dan kuat bekerja. Kerajaan UMNO sebenarnya masih lagi ada rasa timbangrasa, kalau tidak, it just has to take someone like Ustaz Azhar Idrus to say “Haram Sokong Perniagaan Kafir Harbi/Cina DAP” contohnya and that will do it. Your business will bungkus in no time like what Mcdonald has experience in the past. Tanpa sokongan pembeli Melayu pun kamu akan bungkus lambat laun.

    1. Just to give insight, funds are being diverted to MARA and waves upon waves of malays and bumis under twinning programmes are being sent to reputable overseas institutions.MARA institutions like KPM and KPTM will eventually be upgraded to University College status meaning the more normal Malays/Bumis with vocational background will benefit, unlike the past where only MRSM elite students tend to benefit the most.

      Rest assured that the agenda to empower the Malays and Bumis through education is still maintained and augmented and remains the backbone of the current NEP.

      With the PERMATA program to augment pre-school education, I forersee the dividends in 10 years when many Malaysian students especially the rural Malaysians especialy the malays and Sabah/Sarawak pribumis will enter primary and secondary schools with better grasp in reading and basic maths and the gap in education between nons and bumis will narrow even more.

      Per capita, Malays and Bumis will be the the productive contributor to the country’s GDP due to their increasing number and better education and widespread participation in the economy, as of 2009, the Malay median income has bridged 74% of the Chinese median income, which is far cry from 45% since data is collected in 1970.Compound of economic growth and stability will close the gap although the higher income strata of the Chinese is still dominant in the economy(more malaysian chinese billionaires)
      http://econsmalaysia.blogspot.com.au/2012/04/documenting-income-inequality-malaysian.html

      Never mind they will return to get lesser salaries than the Nons, difficult to get job, higher chance to be laid during recession, janji we show, we also work hard for our families, in the end, we are the one who will stay and make malaysia our home through sweet and bitter moments, the hujan emas in Australia,UK or US do not interest us.

      1. Re. “Never mind they will return to get lesser salaries than the Nons, difficult to get job, higher chance to be laid during recession, janji we show, we also work hard for our families, in the end, we are the one who will stay and make malaysia our home through sweet and bitter moments, the hujan emas in Australia,UK or US do not interest us.”

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    2. “As an Ultra-Racist-Malay I am happy to hear that UITM is willing to offer placement for those Malay students who fail to get placement in other IPTA.”

      This means in the near future, we will see more unemployed and unemployable graduates with UITM degrees and hefty study loans to repay.

      UITM already has a high unemployment rate among its graduates.

      http://www.thesundaily.my/node/173527

      To the original question by Tan Sri Dr Ting Chew Peh (BN-Gopeng), Abdul Rahman said 20,217 graduates registered with the ministry’s Job Clearing System were still unemployed as at June 12.

      The breakdown showed UiTM as having the highest number of unemployed graduates with 3,278 (16.2%), followed by UUM 1,532 (7.6%) …

      1. Re. “This means in the near future, we will see more unemployed and unemployable graduates with UITM degrees and hefty study loans to repay.”

        Education is a tool and a mean; they will get by better with better education. I have seen many of them group up together starting small businesses and doing very well.

        Many of them become entrepreneurs and received support from various government agency through MARA. Of course you don’t see this published in any news paper.

        A daughter of friend graduated with Degree in Electrical Engineering from OZ uni last 2 years. Right away after coming back she started online business selling handbag, her monthly income at the start of operations was RM15K and now has increased much much more. So much so her sister who is completing her degree in University of Southern California, has also joined her.

        My second cousin has 3 boys and all are in college now. She runs a small food outlet together with her husband in my hometown in Johor. Two of the boys, the eldest and the youngest, are studying culinary now, since both have plan to venture into F&B bizz in the future. The second one is studying aeronautical engineering.

        Many of the Malays entertainers and celebrities are college graduates fyi nowadays. They may look shallow on the outside but they do have the brain to make it in the industry. As I said, education is just a tool for them.

        This is also a sign the we are progressing, just like the rest of developed world where education doesn’t guarantee you a secured job, but if you are street smart you will fair better in life.

        Re. The breakdown showed UiTM as having the highest number of unemployed graduates with 3,278 (16.2%), followed by UUM 1,532 (7.6%) …

        This doesn’t mean that all of them are unemployed. If you have a chance to visit Malaysian Agriculture, Horticulture and Agrotourism Show (MAHA) and Malaysia International Halal Showcase (MIHAS) you may see a lot these young and vibrant entrepreneurs.

        On that note, looking at the current economic scenario around the world and with the middle east plus Egypt are practically collapsed, which country doesn’t share the same problem?

        1. LOL yang dimaksud mamat kat atas tu ialah Melayu bodoh tetap akan bodo walaupun masuk UiTM. Itu saja. Bukan dia tak tahu pasal konsep beri peluang seperti yang diamalkan dalam masyarakat dia.
          Boon Siew SRP pun takdak. Ada yang kata buta huruf, tapi maju juga! Tapi dia Cina, bukan Melayu. Nampak tak perbezaan dia. Itu yang mamat kat atas tu nak beritahu kita semua kat sini!

          1. Tahu tu. Tapi ni bukan zaman Boon Siew lagi. Orang Melayu dah celik mata dan hati. Contohnya:

            1. Peniaga Cina DAP sorok barang dan naikkan harga sesuka-hati. UMNO buka kedai 1Malaysia dan beri contract pada Mydin dan Tan Sri Syed Mokhtar Al-Bukhary untuk supply essential goods. So selesai satu masaalah.

            2. Cina DAP 90% tak sokong Najib pada PRU13 walaupun dah janji bulan dan bintang pada mereka. Tup-tup peratusan pelajar Cina DAP ke IPTA menurun 19% ke 23% kalau tak silap. Apa dia orang nak kata.

            3. Cina DAP rajin kerja dan Kuat Kerja. Bagus lagi banyak hasil lagi banyak cukai. Hasil cukai gunakan sepenuhnya untuk kaum Melayu.

            4. Banyak songel dan cakap lagi? Suruh Azhar Idrus keluarkan kenyataan “HARAM SOKONG PENIAGAAN KAFIR HARBI/DAP”, terus bungkus business dia orang silap-silap.

            5. Cina DAP bangga sebab banyak high end property. Ingat lagi tak, it just took Tun Daim’s one liner to bring down the bourse in the 90’s.

            You see how so fragile they are with their “Harta”? Orang Islam/Melayu kalau bukan businessman, hidup simple aje. Lepas pencen balik kampung dan beramal ibadat banyak-banyak, kos sara hidup pun tak tinggi.

            Dia orang sampai mati pun DUIT-DUIT-DUIT. Kalau tak ada RM20000 dan tak plan siang-siang beli tanah kubur, baik jangan mati.

            1. re: “Dia orang sampai mati pun DUIT-DUIT-DUIT.”

              That’s why it is not within the capacity of Nizam ka-ching, ka-ching (DAP operative commenting using a fake Malay-Muslim name) to fathom that not everybody is like them or thinks like them.

              That’s why they mock kampung folks who vote Umno as “dungu” and do not understand why PAS supporters pentingkan akhirat.

              That’s why Dapsters are dragging the standard of public discourse into the gutter.

                1. I mention PAS in the context that the DAP is now a partner to the Islamist party but the followers of both camps are so different from each other. What strange bedfellows they make.

                  1. Betul. Betul.Betul. It is not even a coalition Helen. PR sebenarnya retak menanti belah. Kalau mereka tidak sorok-sorok ketidakpuasaan hati mereka, sesama mereka, dah lama mereka berpecah!

            2. “1. Peniaga Cina DAP sorok barang dan naikkan harga sesuka-hati. UMNO buka kedai 1Malaysia dan beri contract pada Mydin dan Tan Sri Syed Mokhtar Al-Bukhary untuk supply essential goods. So selesai satu masaalah.”

              Nampaknya LOL tidak faham tentang istilah ‘Supply’ and ‘Demand’.

              “Tup-tup peratusan pelajar Cina DAP ke IPTA menurun 19% ke 23% kalau tak silap”

              Menurun dari 19% ke 23%?

              Hahaha, dari manakah kamu belajar Matematik?

              “3. Cina DAP rajin kerja dan Kuat Kerja. Bagus lagi banyak hasil lagi banyak cukai. Hasil cukai gunakan sepenuhnya untuk kaum Melayu.

              4. Banyak songel dan cakap lagi? Suruh Azhar Idrus keluarkan kenyataan “HARAM SOKONG PENIAGAAN KAFIR HARBI/DAP”, terus bungkus business dia orang silap-silap.”

              Ah, tapi kalau bisnes bungkus, kutipan hasil cukai merundum. Terjerat leher sendiri. : )

              Namun sudah ada ostat yang mengeluarkan fatwa-fatwi haram membeli barang orang bukan Islam. Tetapi bisnes orang bukan Islam masih lumayan dan dikunjungi Melayu dan bukan Melayu. Kalau tak percaya, pergilah ke Giant, Bukit Bintang, dan ‘shopping district’ berdekatan anda. : )

              “5. Cina DAP bangga sebab banyak high end property. Ingat lagi tak, it just took Tun Daim’s one liner to bring down the bourse in the 90′s.

              You see how so fragile they are with their “Harta”? Orang Islam/Melayu kalau bukan businessman, hidup simple aje. Lepas pencen balik kampung dan beramal ibadat banyak-banyak, kos sara hidup pun tak tinggi.”

              Hm, golongan yang paling terbeban dengan hutang kereta, hutang kad kredit, hutang bank, hutang peribadi, hutang rumah ialah kaum Melayu. Jika bursa dan ekonomi merundum, kebanyakan mereka akan kehilangan kerja, kehilangan perniagaan atau bankrap. Ini sebenarnya berlaku pada 1990an.

              1. AC-DC

                Re. “Nampaknya LOL tidak faham tentang istilah ‘Supply’ and ‘Demand’”

                Kalau tak faham apa yang dikatakan janganlah komen. Since you insist, The bulk supply was contracted to Tan Syed Mokthar (TSM), and the retail supplly was given to both Mydin through kedai 1Malaysia and TSM.

                The demand will always be there, but the flow of demand will no longer go to Cina DAP Pocket in the long run. That’s the idea.

                Re. Menurun dari 19% ke 23%? Hahaha, dari manakah kamu belajar Matematik?

                Typo 19% atau 23%. Who is laughing all the way to the IPTA now.

                Re : Ah, tapi kalau bisnes bungkus, kutipan hasil cukai merundum. Terjerat leher sendiri. : )

                Aliran cukai itu akan datang dari Malay Corporate sebab supply semua ditangan Melayu pada satu ketika nanti. Anyway, Cina DAP mana declare hasil niaga in full everytine. Semua kaki klentong dan sorok.

                Re : “Namun sudah ada ostat yang mengeluarkan fatwa-fatwi haram membeli barang orang bukan Islam. Tetapi bisnes orang bukan Islam masih lumayan dan dikunjungi Melayu dan bukan Melayu. Kalau tak percaya, pergilah ke Giant, Bukit Bintang, dan ‘shopping district’ berdekatan anda. : )”

                Ya ke ? I live in B Bintang fyi. Barely a month the optical shop sent me message about their sales and many drops their brochures at my doorstep.
                It is still early at this stage. Just look around beberapa Product Manufacturer Cina DAP telah mula menggunakan artis-artis Melayu untuk endorse produk mereka. Kerana Apa?

                This is a statement from McD after Ustaz Azhar Idrus comment about them supporting Isreal and the sales drop over night.

                Just remember in few years or a decade, it will become like Education issue, the Malays from Boarding school and sekolah menegah agama rakyat has consistently performed better than national average with straight A’s. Their achievement are hardly published and some were sent abroad even before the result is out. They just dissapear from the radar hundreds of them fyi. The economy will follow suit. SAKIT HATIKAN BILA BACA?

                1. “MRSM (PEKAN BRANCH ) CAN OFFER CAMBRIGE IGCSE ( ENGLISH) ”

                2. “Kesemua 45 Maktab Rendah Sains Mara (MRSM) di seluruh negara akan menawarkan peperiksaan peringkat antarabangsa, International General Certificate of Secondary Education (IGCSE) menjelang 2016.”

                Why do you think the Government don’t really care about PMSI anymore? Because they already have a solution in place as above. SAKITKAN HATI BILA BACA?

                http://ewarta.mara.gov.my/2011/08/07/45-mrsm-seluruh-negara-tawar-igcse-menjelang-2016/

                3. Giant request to open retail outlet like 7-11 has been rejected by the government. Why? Sebab tamak haloba dan tak mahu kongsi ruang niaga dengan produk bumiputera.

                4. Just google Smidec i,e. Small and Medium Idustries Development. You will understand how the BN/UMNO slowly growing these small entrepreneurs with all sort of training and assistance. Many have exported their HALAL products abroad. These are small time multi- millionaires that don’t reveal themselves in public. They pay taxes and zakat. They don’t cheat like Cina DAP businesses.

                5. East Coast Economy Region (ECER).

                Do you know what that is? One of the focus is to shift the commercial/industrial center from the Cina DAP area to the Malay area.

                Why do you think Penang’s FDI has sunk to rock bottom by 2012? Kata Iguana Eng Pandai sangat pasal ekonomi dan pelaburan?

                “Penang Chief Minister Lim Guan Eng’s recent admission of turning down of an FDI (Foreign Direct Investment) worth US$3 billion due to his inability to guarantee the prospective investor 1,000 engineers is a shocking case of poor decision-making and incompetence that unfortunately has become the hallmark of the DAP-led Penang state government in the last 18 months. ”

                http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/118949

                Fyi, the investors are turning to ECER and ISKANDAR instead of Penang. Of course you don’t know that right?

                SAKIT HATIKAN BILA BACA ?

                Of course you don’t know all of these because, you live within your Cina DAP circle.

                Re. “Hm, golongan yang paling terbeban dengan hutang kereta, hutang kad kredit, hutang bank, hutang peribadi, hutang rumah ialah kaum Melayu. Jika bursa dan ekonomi merundum, kebanyakan mereka akan kehilangan kerja, kehilangan perniagaan atau bankrap. Ini sebenarnya berlaku pada 1990an.”

                UMNO/BN has always had its way to deal with this. They always come up with preemptive measures. Now it has taken place with limit on number of credit cards one can have.

                Please la…. the Chinese and Indian are also equally affected.

                FYI,, duiring 1997-98 Asian economic crisis, yang paling ramai bunuh diri adalah peniaga Cina DAP. Yang banyak hutang dan diganggu along pun Cina DAP.

                Why do you think non-bumi/government and foreign banks “berlumba-lumba” menyediakan perkhidmatan perbankan Islam (Islamic Banking). Because there is where the money is and they can’t get it all the Chinese alone.

                Apa lagi lu mau cerita? SAKIT HATI KAN BILA BACA.

                ROME WAS NOT BUILT IN A DAY.

                Dalam Semak Ada Duri
                Ayam Kuning Buat Sarang
                Cina Tamak Selalu Rugi
                Bagai Anjing Dengan Bayang-Bayang

                1. “Three students who received scholarships to pursue degree courses at three prestigious military institutions in the United States are keen to impart new military knowledge and skills to help improve professional competence in the country.

                  Mohamad Aidil Shafiq Abd Aziz, Muzaffar Abdul Halim and Santos J. Jayagopal were accepted to attend four-year degree programmes at the US Military Academy (USMA) in West Point, New York; the US Naval Academy (USNA) in Annapolis, Maryland; and the US Air Force Academy (USAFA) in Colorado Springs, Colorado, respectively.”

                  http://malaysiaflyingherald.wordpress.com/2013/06/06/us-military-academies-scholarships-to-malaysian-students

                2. “The demand will always be there, but the flow of demand will no longer go to Cina DAP Pocket in the long run. That’s the idea.”

                  Harga barangan masih naik semasa Ramadan. Ayam naik sehingga menteri suruh kita makan ikan. So nampaknya ‘usaha’ kerajaan dengan KR1M sudah kena creamed.

                  Tapi harga naik itu akibat Demand yang meningkat. Bukan isu peniaga sorok.

                  “Aliran cukai itu akan datang dari Malay Corporate sebab supply semua ditangan Melayu pada satu ketika nanti.”

                  Corporate macam MAS yang harga saham 35sen sekarang, kurang daripada segulung kertas tandas dari kedai runcit? (kata-kata Syed Akbar Ali bukan saya). Atau NFC yang sudah hilang RM250J? Atau Proton yang sudah lingkup dan terpaksa dibeli oleh Saidina Syed Moktar? Atau KTMB yang sehingga kini gagal menjayakan kempen ‘Untung RM1’? (tapi pembuat lencana-lencana ‘Untung RM1’ memang untung banyak, wor)

                  Petronas pun menyedari hakikat masa depannya dijamin dengan ‘workforce’ yang pelbagai bangsa dan negara. Inilah yang diberitahu kepadaku oleh kawan yang bekerja di Petronas. Ini sebab pemblogger pro UMNO meroyan bila bekas eksekutif dan pengurus Shell dibawa masuk Petronas. Sampai pula menyemai fitnah kononnya Suria KLCC pro Cina.

                  “Ya ke ? I live in B Bintang fyi. Barely a month the optical shop sent me message about their sales and many drops their brochures at my doorstep.
                  It is still early at this stage. Just look around beberapa Product Manufacturer Cina DAP telah mula menggunakan artis-artis Melayu untuk endorse produk mereka. Kerana Apa?”

                  Nampaknya LOL pun kurang faham tentang pengiklanan. Baru tengok TV untuk kali pertama ke? :)

                  Artis-artis Melayu dah lama bertahun-tahun sejak 1970-an diupah untuk iklan barangan seperti syampu, telekomunikasi, internet, dan lain-lain.

                  [YouTube]

                  “1. “MRSM (PEKAN BRANCH ) CAN OFFER CAMBRIGE IGCSE ( ENGLISH) ”
                  2. “Kesemua 45 Maktab Rendah Sains Mara (MRSM) di seluruh negara akan menawarkan peperiksaan peringkat antarabangsa, International General Certificate of Secondary Education (IGCSE) menjelang 2016.”
                  Why do you think the Government don’t really care about PMSI anymore? Because they already have a solution in place as above. SAKITKAN HATI BILA BACA?”

                  Gembira aku baca ini. Haraplah pada masa depan kita takkan dapat pencari kerja yang dibelenggu penguasaan Bahasa Inggeris yang teruk. Tapi kena mula dari bangku sekolah rendah, bukannya MRSM.

                  PMSI ke atau PPSMI? Itu pun gagal dan kementrian terpaksa ‘gostan’ kerana guru pun tidak mahir Bahasa Inggeris.

                  “3. Giant request to open retail outlet like 7-11 has been rejected by the government. Why? Sebab tamak haloba dan tak mahu kongsi ruang niaga dengan produk bumiputera.”

                  Pengurus kedai runcit Cina dan India pun menolak Giant membuka cawangan kecil. Tidak mahu persaingan lebih sengit daripada syarikat besar. LOL tak baca ke?

                  “4. Just google Smidec i,e. Small and Medium Idustries Development. You will understand how the BN/UMNO slowly growing these small entrepreneurs with all sort of training and assistance. Many have exported their HALAL products abroad. These are small time multi- millionaires that don’t reveal themselves in public. They pay taxes and zakat. They don’t cheat like Cina DAP businesses.”

                  Nampaknya LOL tak pernah dengar tentang SMI atau SME. Kalau tak tahu, pergi tengok Google.

                  Saya ada saudara yang mengeksport barangan halal ke Arab di samping pasaran tempatan (JV bersama rakan Melayu dia). Memang lumayan bagi kedua-dua mereka.

                  “5. East Coast Economy Region (ECER).
                  Do you know what that is? One of the focus is to shift the commercial/industrial center from the Cina DAP area to the Malay area.”

                  Hm, macamlah Intel, Sime Darby, Tan & Tan, Motorola, Seagate, Western Digital, Maxis, Siemens, Freescale, McKinsey, IJM, dan syarikat-syarikat di Selangor, Kuala Lumpur dan Penang akan berpusu-pusu memindah ke sana kot? LOL faham ekonomi ke?

                  Tapi ECER perlu sebab Pantai Timur memerlukan peluang pekerjaan dan perniagaan.

                  “Why do you think Penang’s FDI has sunk to rock bottom by 2012? Kata Iguana Eng Pandai sangat pasal ekonomi dan pelaburan?
                  “Penang Chief Minister Lim Guan Eng’s recent admission of turning down of an FDI (Foreign Direct Investment) worth US$3 billion due to his inability to guarantee the prospective investor 1,000 engineers is a shocking case of poor decision-making and incompetence that unfortunately has become the hallmark of the DAP-led Penang state government in the last 18 months. ””

                  Namun, Pulau Pinang ialah penyumbang GDP per capita yang kedua tertinggi antara negeri, selepas Kuala Lumpur.

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Malaysian_states_by_GDP#Gross_state_product_per_capita

                  Negeri yang kecil tetapi sumbangannya besar. LOL marah ke? :)

                  “Fyi, the investors are turning to ECER and ISKANDAR instead of Penang. Of course you don’t know that right?
                  SAKIT HATIKAN BILA BACA ?
                  Of course you don’t know all of these because, you live within your Cina DAP circle.”

                  Iskandar? Itu tempat yang cepat dibeli orang Singapura ke? Rakan sekerja aku pernah menjadi konsultan projek pembangunan di situ. Masa lancarkan jualan kondo dan bangunan, fuyooh… orang Singapura dan orang Penang dan Selangor datang cekup.

                  Pemblogger UMNO melatah marah sebab Iskandar dijual kepada Singapura. LOL marah juga ke?

                  “Why do you think non-bumi/government and foreign banks “berlumba-lumba” menyediakan perkhidmatan perbankan Islam (Islamic Banking). Because there is where the money is and they can’t get it all the Chinese alone.”

                  LOL tak cekap bisnes ke? Kalau anda ada perniagaan dan 50-60% penduduk ialah pengguna produk/servis anda, memang logiknya anda akan mensasarkan 40-50% yang lain kalau nak menambahkan ‘market share’ anda.

                  Itulah salah satu asas memperbanyakkan hasil bisnes anda, ‘target new customer segments’.

                  Kera di dahan pokok nangka
                  Memakan buah pada siang hari
                  LOL melatah dan buruk sangka
                  Kerana tak tahu asas ekonomi :)

                  1. Re : Harga barangan masih naik semasa Ramadan. Ayam naik sehingga menteri suruh kita makan ikan. So nampaknya ‘usaha’ kerajaan dengan KR1M sudah kena creamed. Tapi harga naik itu akibat Demand yang meningkat. Bukan isu peniaga sorok.

                    When you want to argue put two and two together, aple to aple, orange to orange and not aple to orange.

                    Harga ayam naik atas keadaan semasa. Kedai 1Malaysia untuk jangkamasa panjang. BTW, setahu aku la kedai 1Malaysia tak jual ayam.

                    You want to know who is the most successful chicken breeder in the country and recognized worldwide..

                    KFC Malaysia own by Johor Corp. A Malay/State own company. They have been great in helping single women/parent to be part of their breeder and contractor.

                    http://www.pocketzila.com/kfch/business-units/poultry-integration/

                    Re : Namun, Pulau Pinang ialah penyumbang GDP per capita yang kedua tertinggi antara negeri, selepas Kuala Lumpur.

                    Belajar ekonomi dulu baru komen. Kalau ikut per capita memang tinggi sebab population kecil di banding negeri lain. Tapi kalau ikut gross GDP dah jatuh merundum.

                    As I said, it will die slowly of natural death with the rise all other economic corridors. This is just the beginning.

                    Re. Iskandar? Itu tempat yang cepat dibeli orang Singapura ke? Rakan sekerja aku pernah menjadi konsultan projek pembangunan di situ. Masa lancarkan jualan kondo dan bangunan, fuyooh… orang Singapura dan orang Penang dan Selangor datang cekup.

                    Itulah yang bodohnya kamu ni. that is for commercial n foreign investment section. All the cream of the crops, Kerajaan dah sapu dan masuk poket Melayu untuk anak cucu kita orang akan datang.

                    Re. “LOL tak cekap bisnes ke? Kalau anda ada perniagaan dan 50-60% penduduk ialah pengguna produk/servis anda, memang logiknya anda akan mensasarkan 40-50% yang lain kalau nak menambahkan ‘market share’ anda.”

                    Orang Melayu dan Islam adalah kaum majoriti di negara ini. Their individual purchasing power may be small but put together in bulk their purchasing power is bigger than any other races here. Orang Islam Melayu dah tak guna conservative banking products all go for Islamic, Jadi tak dapat tidak Cina DAP kenalah ikut telunjuk Melayu.

                    Nak tenguk macam mana Melayu buat investment.

                    1. Tabung Haji for so many years have given high dividen rate the latest being over 6%.

                    2. Bank Rakyat, if you are a member, your dividen share is 12% + 3% bonus on annual basis.

                    3. Ar Rahnu, Pajak Gadai Isla. Has been so succesfull. Even Cina dan India pun datang.

                    4. EPF is another successful. The former CEO, Tan Sri Azlan Zainol was my ex-boss. I learned from the BEST.

                    5. KPJ Healthcare is the third Largest in the world and going for number soon. First being healthcare chain of Khazanah .

                    6. Coming up are Waqf Corporation and development.

                    These are just a few.

                    All based on Islamic principal. Kalau argue, pasal increasing market share, kena tahu apa basis dia. What is your target market. Buka suka suka aje buat LAWAK maca, kamu.

                    Limau Purut
                    Tiga Serangkai,
                    AC-DC Buta Perut
                    Tak ada akai.

                  2. Re. Saya ada saudara yang mengeksport barangan halal ke Arab di samping pasaran tempatan (JV bersama rakan Melayu dia). Memang lumayan bagi kedua-dua mereka.

                    Kwang! Kwang! kena juga join venture dengan Melayu ya.

                    Re. “Hm, macamlah Intel, Sime Darby, Tan & Tan, Motorola, Seagate, Western Digital, Maxis, Siemens, Freescale, McKinsey, IJM, dan syarikat-syarikat di Selangor, Kuala Lumpur dan Penang akan berpusu-pusu memindah ke sana kot? LOL faham ekonomi ke?”

                    Itu la ada Mata Letak kat LUTUT, ada Otak Simpan kat BONTOT. ECER has a a totally different integrated framework. Just google ECER. then you understand.

                    UMNO brought in those companies that you mentioned in Selangor and even Penang. Not DAP fyi. Some domestic companies like Sime Darby are Maxis are pro UMNO. Maxis was helped by Tun M. Sime Darby is GLC. Sime Darby is venturing out of the country as there is no more land for development. They are now in Indonesia, South America, Burma, Vietnam etc.

                    I know a lot more about this companies more than you do, since they are former clients.

                3. “When you want to argue put two and two together, aple to aple, orange to orange and not aple to orange.
                  Harga ayam naik atas keadaan semasa. Kedai 1Malaysia untuk jangkamasa panjang. BTW, setahu aku la kedai 1Malaysia tak jual ayam.
                  You want to know who is the most successful chicken breeder in the country and recognized worldwide..
                  KFC Malaysia own by Johor Corp. A Malay/State own company. They have been great in helping single women/parent to be part of their breeder and contractor.

                  All proving the rise in grocery prices was due to Supply not keeping up with expected Demand. Yes, I was reading how you morons were blaming Chinese wholesalers supposedly hiding goods for skyrocketing chicken prices. When the most important supplier was Johor Corp’s KFC (and they pay the Americans the license to use the KFC brand). So it certainly isn’t the fault of those wholesalers.

                  “Tapi kalau ikut gross GDP dah jatuh merundum.
                  As I said, it will die slowly of natural death with the rise all other economic corridors. This is just the beginning.”

                  Yawn.

                  In the 1970, the federal government took away the free port status. People was expecting the state to die off. Instead, Penang switched to electronics production and the economy boomed with Intel, Mitsubishi, Bosch, and various technology corporations moving in. Meanwhile, the duty-free island Langkawi still depends heavily on tourism to survive.

                  In 1997, Mahathir wanted a new RM11 billion airport on a man-made island in Kedah to replace Bayan Lepas. Today, Bayan Lepas Airport has grown (have you landed there recently) while that artificial island is still sea.

                  And Kulim was built as an alternative electronics hub to Penang. Still, Penang’s industrial sector grew and now R&D labs are moving in. One of my past projects was with an aerospace company who was locating their new branch in Bayan Lepas. A consultant who I worked with mentioned that Kulim has not been successful compared to Penang.

                  If you devise some expensive hare-brained scheme to strangle Penang, they will find a way around it.

                  Talking about apples and oranges, do you know the ECER is mostly wood, petrochemicals, and food based industries? Certainly very different than what Penang is doing.

                  “Itulah yang bodohnya kamu ni. that is for commercial n foreign investment section. All the cream of the crops, Kerajaan dah sapu dan masuk poket Melayu untuk anak cucu kita orang akan datang.”

                  Pemilik hartanah di Iskandar yang kebanyakan orang Singapura juga yang untung. Golongan sayap kanan UMNO, Perkasa, dan Mahathir gusar terhadap kawasan pembangunan Iskandar Johor, seolah-olah akan jadi ‘Singapura Raya’.

                  http://www.thestar.com.my/story.aspx?file=%2f2008%2f5%2f18%2fnation%2f21291911&sec=nation

                  “Orang Melayu dan Islam adalah kaum majoriti di negara ini. Their individual purchasing power may be small but put together in bulk their purchasing power is bigger than any other races here. Orang Islam Melayu dah tak guna conservative banking products all go for Islamic, Jadi tak dapat tidak Cina DAP kenalah ikut telunjuk Melayu.
                  Nak tenguk macam mana Melayu buat investment.

                  1. Tabung Haji for so many years have given high dividen rate the latest being over 6%.
                  2. Bank Rakyat, if you are a member, your dividen share is 12% + 3% bonus on annual basis.
                  3. Ar Rahnu, Pajak Gadai Isla. Has been so succesfull. Even Cina dan India pun datang.
                  4. EPF is another successful. The former CEO, Tan Sri Azlan Zainol was my ex-boss. I learned from the BEST.
                  5. KPJ Healthcare is the third Largest in the world and going for number soon. First being healthcare chain of Khazanah .
                  6. Coming up are Waqf Corporation and development.
                  These are just a few.

                  All based on Islamic principal. Kalau argue, pasal increasing market share, kena tahu apa basis dia. What is your target market. Buka suka suka aje buat LAWAK maca, kamu.”

                  Of course, Tabung Haji dan EPF kumpulkan sebahagian pendapatan duit rakyat atau orang Muslim setiap bulan. Pendapatan memang dijamin. Pengendalian, itu soalan lain. Tabung Haji ada skandal-skandal dan terbaru, rakan Khairy dilantik menjadi pengurus. Sampai geng pro Mahathir dalam UMNO muntah berdarah. EPF, hmm… mana perginya saham Perwaja itu? Baru-baru menjual saham MAS dengan kerugian besar. Adoi. Ya, learn from the best.

                  Meanwhile, Public Bank, AirAsia, HLB, Maxis, YTL, IJM and others are also reaping good revenue by tapping into the Malay market.

                  “Kwang! Kwang! kena juga join venture dengan Melayu ya.”

                  Of course. Kamu sangka orang Cina tak suka bekerja dengan Melayu? Sebenarnya, JV Melayu-Cina sudah lama berlaku dalam sejarah… Sultan Melaka dengan Empayar China, Yap Ah Loy dengan Sultan Abdul Samad, Sultan dengan pelombong bijih timah, bangsawan dengan peladang getah, hingga ke kontrek dan bisnes hari ini.

                  “Itu la ada Mata Letak kat LUTUT, ada Otak Simpan kat BONTOT. ECER has a a totally different integrated framework. Just google ECER. then you understand.”

                  ECER has wholly different industrial sectors. Certainly not going to upend Penang, Selangor, or Kuala Lumpur anytime. Nampaknya awak tiada otak. :)

                  “UMNO brought in those companies that you mentioned in Selangor and even Penang. Not DAP fyi.”

                  Actually it was Gerakan’s Lim Chong Eu who brought them into Penang. I have done business with companies from Bayan Lepas before. Today, there is a freeway named by… Guan Eng… in honour of Lim Chong Eu.

                  “Some domestic companies like Sime Darby are Maxis are pro UMNO. Maxis was helped by Tun M. Sime Darby is GLC. Sime Darby is venturing out of the country as there is no more land for development. They are now in Indonesia, South America, Burma, Vietnam etc.
                  I know a lot more about this companies more than you do, since they are former clients.”

                  Mahathir, Perkasa, and the fringe right ‘ultra’ faction are so afraid of the management in Sime Darby, if we read their complaints in their websites. They even complain about Ananda-owned Astro showing Namewee’s movies. Still, the show goes on. :)

          2. Sebenar saya dan Orang Melayu yang lain ada banyak cerita yang akan menyakitkan hati Cina DAP sebenarnya. Tapi seperti dia orang yang suka BERI RASUAH tapi asyik menyalahkan PENERIMA RASUAH dan pandai cover story, kita pun pandai simpan cerita kita.

            Dah dengar pasal projek ladang ikan sturgeon kat FELDA tak?

              1. Ular Sawa ke Ular Lidi ke janji masuk poket MELAYU. Orang Melayu tak kira parti kalau pasal ekonomi. FYI, the director of LYNAS is a PAS Leader and former MP.

                [YouTube: Lynas – Saintis Nuklear PAS bongkar pembohongan Fuziah]

            1. Hahaha! LOL, a good one! Padan muka ACDC. I also have successful stories to tell about my nephews and nieces and I believe other Malays also have their own stories. The DAP Chinese still do not realise that we, the Malays being the majority race, have more buying power compared to other races. If we boycott DAP Chinese businesses, sooner or later they will ‘bungkus’ and that is what we should should be aiming for.

              1. Dia orang ni yang pergi SEKOLAH MENENGAH KEBANGSAAN, dia orang rasa dia pandai dari MELAYU. Tapi sebenarnya dia orang compete dengan 2 tier or maybe 3 tier Malay students. Melayu yang pandai dah pergi Boarding school sejak form 1, dan 2 round at form 4.

                Syllabus Boarding school pun much tougher than Sekolah Biasa. One of my friends, anak dia masuk MRSM after PMR. Dari Form 1 sampai Form 3 sentiasa number 1 dalam top class. Bila masuk MRSM rasa nak pengsan dia belajar sebab CGPA number 1 sampai nombor last dalam kelas dia tak jauh beza. Dan dia cuma duduk dalam top 3 overall. Itu baru MRSM belum lagi Sekolah Sains dan Sekolah Asrama Penuh macam TKC, STF, MCKK etc.

                1. When DAP takes over Putrajaya, TKC, STF, MCKK and other boarding schools as well as MRSM and UiTM will be thrown wide open to all Bangsa Malaysians and not only confined to a single race, and applications forms will be widely published and distributed by The J-Star.

                  1. Yes. Your are right. That is why, we the Malay will defend it till the last breath.

                    They will throw the Malays out of those schools first fyi.

                    1. Endless possibilities: We’re after all talking about a party that can host a Hari Raya open house attended all by Chinese guests, and its YBs who can subvert the meaning of #sahur and adamant on hijacking kalimah Allah.

                    2. How many Malays actually have attended the DAP organized Hari Raya open house? Kalau ada pun, hanya beberapa kerat.

                      Majority Malays have realized DAP’s real agenda including those who used to support PAS and PKR. Case in point, Malays (UMNO and PAS) were united in the demolition of the surau in Johore.

                      Another case is the use of Kalimah Allah by non-Muslims. You could see Malays (UMNO and PAS) were outside the court awaiting the verdict. Hanya Melayu liberals like Harris Ibrahim, Zaid Ibrahim, Anwar Ibrahim, Khalid Ibrahim and ‘musuh dalam selimut’ UMNO Ministers like KJ and Nazri Aziz who still want to kow tow to DAP Chinese.

                      These liberal Malays have bought DAP’s propaganda ‘Malaysian Malaysia’ but the rest of us Malays are ‘Melayu/Muslims first and Malaysians second. We will fight tooth and nail to defend this Tanah Melayu from being ruled by DAP Chinese!

                    3. re: “Case in point, Malays (UMNO and PAS) were united in the demolition of the surau in Johore.”

                      Sadly the Sedili surau visitors have nothing to do with the DAP evangelistas. Those Chinese tourists were Buddhists and not even Malaysians.

  5. Perception make a man guilty and throw in jail for 20 years (true story in the US). Just imagine if prosecutor J-Star make that same mistake and it provent, do you think J-Star publish that story ;)

    :) sarah

  6. Hi Helen,

    1. I don’t get you, relating gangsterism with Umno and PM Najib. Ur view, absurd

    2. Mobsters or gangsters, can u predict them? On confrontation, with killers that have criminal records, u may easily get shot at point blank. Then again who do blame?

    3. Happened that j-star already determined the target, in this case Umno, the way waytha moorthy put it, its the best shot ever been triggered.

    4. Just remember. Its not malay policemen against indians ! Its purely the retaliation of the gang 04, 08 or whatever…. already “cacing naik ke mata” . Let the policeforce do their job.

    Nothing to do with politics except the abolishment of EO and ISA. The story begins….

  7. It does not matter what Waytha Moorthy feels. Its all about what Dorairaj Pakatan Nadason feels. This pair of scissors has made up his mind that this government must be overthrown and nothing that the government does or say will be right.

    They say the investigation has Agenda writtn all over it. But this guy has Agenda written all over his own face. But then putting words in mouths has been a traits of journallists.

      1. Re. “It does not matter what Waytha Moorthy feels”

        Sorry to say, IT IS TIME FOR HIM TO PROVE HIS WORTH. You are given the position now to address the issue not to talk and talk and talk and talk……….

        Dulu pandai sangat complain, sekarang buatlah kerja bila dah dapat kuasa.

          1. He has to focus on the positive plan instead of clouding his mind and of his community with the current gangsterism issues. They should work and think in sync to make it happen.

            Kalau asyik nak salahkan UMNO dan BN aje, orang pun makin lama makin menyampah dan rimas nak dengar.

            Baca byline pun dah boring nak ulas. Semua orang kena buat untuk komuniti mereka, tapi mereka sendiri tak sama bertegas dalam memperjuangkan isu-su yang lebih penting i.e. pelajaran dan ekonomi kaum India. For once I want to hear something like ” We have this plan, we need this grant, we have the framework ready etc” please help us to make it happens”.

            …and Not we want this, please give us this, can you help us with this, can you ask so and so to help us…..

            1. On the eve of GE13 polling day, BN inked the MoU guaranteeing the Hindraf Blueprint to deliver to the Indians what you have described “We have this plan, we need this grant, we have the framework ready etc”.

              According to Hindraf advisor Ganesan’s explanation (url link), Hindraf is waiting for BN to make good their pre-election promise.

              “Today at the Crime Prevention Forum, [Bukit Aman CID director Hadi Ho Abdullah] said that of those on the police list of recognised gang members as of July 30, 71 percent where Indian, 23 percent were Chinese and that just under five percent were Malays.” — see http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/239217

              The high involvement of Indian youths in crime is a symptom. The root cause is the Indian marginalized social condition caused by years of neglect by the government.

              1. They really have to unite to make this happens. BN/UMNO can only do so much. The thing is they have to be “sensible too”, in a sense “kalau asyik mengutuk aje siapa nak layan dan tolong”. They really have to focus on education and bottom of the pyramid economy issue for the Indian as immediate measures.

                1. Demand franchise/allocation for Kedai 1Malaysia for instance.

                2. Resettlement of Indian families to other locality far from the current destitute areas and close proximity to crimes and social problems. Something to the effect of felda settlement.

                3. They have to decide on the fate of Tamil School. Personally I don’t see that the Tamil school is taking the Indian at the bottom of the pyramid anywhere. Unlike Chinese School which already has big and ready network to absorb the Chinese Students. If Tamil language and Culture are the concern make it a compulsory for the Indian students to study that in Sekolah Kebangsaan.

                They have got to give up something, to gain more the way I see it.

                You just look at the successful Indians that have benefited from the BN government, what have they done to help their community (of course being mean and racist, I would say that they are no longer INDIAN). Have they actually extended their hand/money to work closely with the government to help their community? Tony Fernandez, Ananda Krishnan, and there is new one coming up with super duper contracts (can’t recall the name) to name a few.

                Ambiga being Indian and most vocal. Has she fought for the fate of her own people?

                All of them are just NATO, once they got it, they just keep most for themselves.

                1. And kept blaming the Malay government for good measure. What have the got to lose. According to them it is not of their doing. How convenient. Lead your life at your own perils. Make a choice. But hey, there is UMNO to blame. Period!

              2. ‘The high involvement of Indian youths in crime is a symptom. The root cause is the Indian marginalized social condition caused by years of neglect by the government.’

                A lot more Malays and other bumiputeras have been marginalized by the very UMNO governments as well. But yet they remains the least likely group mentioned to be involved in crime gangs!

                1. re: “A lot more Malays and other bumiputeras have been marginalized by the very UMNO governments as well.”

                  Islam1st ni masih tebal naluri PASnya.

                  The Umno gomen has done very well for the Malays. Tun Razak rightly deserves his accolade ‘Bapa Pembangunan Malaysia’. There has been his NEP, NDP, NVP (Mahathir’s Vision 2020) and now NTP (Najib’s).

                  The fact of the large Malay middle class who are educated and professionals is a testament to how much Umno has done for the Malays.

                  As to why Malay youths are less involved in gangsterism, Malay youths in the environment of Sekolah Asrama, MCKK, MRSM, Kolej Matrikulasi are not exposed to the elements of the streets.

                  Now, about “the lot more Malays” whom Islam1st claims are marginalized too.

                  There are a lot of programmes with humongous allocations for Bumiputera Only which are not open to the other races. This is the SPECIAL RIGHTS that you all are so zealously guarding.

                  And lastly, Malay youths always have the house of Atok and Nenek in the kampung to return to. Malays have home (even the Felda houses are nice) and land (warisan tanah). This the TANAH MELAYU that you all are tub-thumping about.

                  The Indians after they were turned out from their estate quarters have no house. Their homes (family unit) is broken up. They are squatters living in urban slums. This unhealthy environment exposes Indian boys to bad elements.

                  1. Re. “The Indians after they were turned out from their estate quarters have no house. Their homes (family unit) is broken up. They are squatters living in urban slums. This unhealthy environment exposes Indian boys to bad elements.”

                    Very true.

                    Sebab itu dalam Islam ada mengatakan “Kepapaan itu akan membawa kepada Kekufuran”.

                    1. ‘The Indians after they were turned out from their estate quarters have no house. Their homes (family unit) is broken up. They are squatters living in urban slums. This unhealthy environment exposes Indian boys to bad elements.’

                      Konteks ini saya setuju dengan anda Helen, tapi, a lot more Malays yang saya maksudkan tu as oppose to the number of Indians being marginalized. The Malays masih ramai lagi yang urban poor, yang unskilled dan keciciran dalam pendidikan etc. UMNO had done it parts, I don’t deny this, but being in the community, I know for a fact that a lot more Malays are being neglected too. Some, don’t have anyone. to guide them through, even, you may be surprise, on how untuk mendapatkan the so called bantuan that had been put in place!

                      But then again, vice and gangs are purely personal choice. My mom had instilled in me and my siblings not to blame others, for our very own shortcomings.

                    2. re: “But then again, vice and gangs are purely personal choice. My mom had instilled in me and my siblings not to blame others, for our very own shortcomings.”

                      I fault the DAP for attacking the Indian identity and attempting to “ethnic cleanse” the Indian community (although no actual/physical killing is involved).

                      The Malays are aware how the DAP has been attacking the Malay identity, like TS Muhyiddin – for admitting that he is a Malay – is branded a “racist”.

                      Any Malay talking about the culture and tradition of this land as being Malay-based is branded a racist too by the Chinese who claim that Malays are pendatang just like everybody else.

                      And see how well the “racist” branding has stuck. Nowadays simply to regard yourself as a Malay First will make you a social pariah among the Dapsters (and the target of their vicious attacks).

                      Similarly the DAP has been at the forefront in making some Indians refuse to acknowledge that they are indeed Indian.

                      The difference is this. Malays in Malaysia must be Muslim and they can’t leave Islam. Secondly, Article 153 makes it advantageous for a citizen to be Malay. Note that 153 refers to the “Malay special position” and not Bumiputera rights. ‘Bumiputera’ is merely a word adopted for the advancement of Umno politics.

                      Given the reasons above, it is difficult for the DAP to unMalay the Malay. However, the DAP have been more successful in unIndian-ing the Indians.

                      They convert the Indians to Christianity (something that they can’t do with Malays despite the diligent efforts of the evangelical churches).

                      Malays will not lose their mother tongue but some Indians have.

                      As we can see with Mr Hannah Yeoh, his Tamil is non-functioning. His children are Chinese. Madam Speaker is wedded to the surau circuit. She doesn’t do the same for Hindu temples.

                      Young Indians are vulnerable because today they are caught in the cross-streams.

                      The fragmentation of the estates didn’t just cause them to lose the roof over their heads.

                      They went to Tamil school located in the estates. Their Hindu temples in the estates served as the focal point for the community.

                      With the dismantling of the rubber estates (and we must remember that the rubber industry was huge, Malaysia was the world’s biggest exporter, and in the early years rubber was our country’s No.1 income earner) …

                      … the job, the quarters, the school, the temple, the security are all lost. The social structure which was isolated and protected in the estates vanished overnight.

                      When Dr M published The Malay Dilemma in 1970, he was afraid that the naive kampung Malay was unprepared to face the onslaught by the “predatory” (the Tun’s word in his book) Chinese.

                      The year of his book publication is significant. May 13, 1969 happened to shake everybody up and hammer home the point that Malays had “special” needs at that time and hence the NEP was created.

                      There has never been any NEP for the Indians. But given the stats released yesterday by the Bukit Aman CID chief, we can see that the poor Indians are in dire straits and it’s not just a crime problem per se but also a community problem, and as I’ve said DAP has been attacking their identity (or in other words, pulling the rug out from under their feet).

                      If they are not Indian, then what are they? DAP would have it that they’re Malaysian First or Anak Malaysia.

                      Tapi Malaysian First-Anak Malaysia itu ikut acuan siapa? Look at how the all Chinese (bar two) editorial staff handled Selangor Times. The state paper was only printed in English and Chinese.

                      They are Christians but they insist they have the right to call their God Allah. And the Indians are falling into DAP’s clutches if this Malay belligerence continues.

                      You say that Malay youths are less susceptible to petty crime (say snatch theft). Malays have a safety net and a grounded social structure. There are suraus in every neighbourhood. It is mandatory for new housing estates to include a surau in their plan.

                      The ramshackle Hindu temples are being destroyed. It was the space of temple demolitions that caused the formation of Hindraf.

                      I repeat: The criminal activities are a symptom. Address the root cause — which is the condition of the non-English speaking, non-Christian Indian community who have been left behind by the rapid development and urbanization.

                    3. Typo

                      re: “The ramshackle Hindu temples are being destroyed. It was the space of temple demolitions that caused the formation of Hindraf.”

                      the SPATE of temple demolitions

                    4. Re. “I repeat: The criminal activities are a symptom. Address the root cause — which is the condition of the non-English speaking, non-Christian Indian community who have been left behind by the rapid development and urbanization.”

                      The ball is in the Indian Community’s court Helen. They have to prioritize and make choices. They have to align themselves with the best options which suit them best. Pakatan has failed them before and UMNI/BN is no angel but there is high potential of success rate if they stop bickering among themselves and stop pointing fingers at UMNO/BN.

                      You see none of the Indian followers that I am pretty sure that passing through this blog gives any comment. I believe many of us will support them.

                    5. re: “They have to prioritize and make choices. They have to align themselves with the best options which suit them best.”

                      Hindraf offered their Blueprint to both coalitions. In fact, they offered to Pakatan first and were more persistent in trying to persuade the oppo.

                      Now Waytha Moorthy has to deliver the Blueprint to the Indians, and Najib has to uphold his end of the bargain because Hindraf had aligned with the BN in GE13.

                2. Re. “Najib has to uphold his end of the bargain because Hindraf had aligned with the BN in GE13.”

                  In syaa Allah he will. I will support him 1000% on this.

                  All the Indian journo should gang up and start highlighting the plight of their community in Malay and English papers. Not just the Tamil Nesan. Both positive news and issue need to be highlight so that each can be addressed one day at a time.

                  To spike Hannah Yeoh, I propose Najib relocate the Indian Community in Subang Jaya with all the necessary ammo to fence for themselves economically. Just start another little India in Subang Jaya community Let’s see how would she react to that?

                  Appoint BN/UMNO/MIC mentor to manage this group as a pilot project. LOL

                  1. ‘To spike Hannah Yeoh, I propose Najib relocate the Indian Community in Subang Jaya with all the necessary ammo to fence for themselves economically. Just start another little India in Subang Jaya community Let’s see how would she react to that?’

                    She would relocate herself to Kepong, where her two daughters will fit nicely, if not Bukit Cina!

                  2. “Just start another little India in Subang Jaya community Let’s see how would she react to that?”

                    Hannah would seriously welcome it. More multiculturalism. :)

                    But your Perkasa fringe-right compatriots will go crazy with accusations that Najib is now moving from kissing the feet of the Chinese to kissing the feet of Indians. You just have to see how they went into a tizzy over the Seri Pristana canteen incident, and the recent gangland shootings.

                    1. Re: “But your Perkasa fringe-right compatriots will go crazy with accusations that Najib is now moving from kissing the feet of the Chinese to kissing the feet of Indians”

                      After PRU13 “India kawan saya” kata bebudak Melayu “Melayu kawan saya” kata bebudak India. : )

                      Cina DAP?

  8. bodoh betullah! lain kali kalau ada perompak masuk rumah kau ambil barang dan tembak mati keluarga kau. kau minta bantuan polis dan polis datang tempak perompak tu lepas tu “landing” atas bantal busuk kau….kau tanyalah kenapa perompak yang “tidur” pun kena tembak!

    WTF with all this articles ? It doesnt matter they are just copy & paste. Still, where are you taking us to with all these articles ? Enough is enough! These men in blue are NOT criminals. The cops are trying to do their job. Leave them alone!

  9. I doubt if this is going to be a big issue. Am sure most Malaysians are happy of the police getting rid of these criminals off the street. Playing the race cards wont work as police are targetting all gangster groups regardless what race involved.

    As for najib getting a beating from certain umno faction…. dont worry they may just be letting off steam. Most probably its just reverse psychology…. malays shoot najib… chinese will then feel sorry for him ..hehe.

  10. Helen,

    Selepas artikel kedua ini saya faham maksud sebenar Helen.

    Pendapat saya adalah tiada seorang pun ketua (saya sengaja tak guna pemimpin atas kelemahan mereka) UMNO yg berani untuk menyanggah, ini kerana mereka tiada tulang belakang/spineless!

    Zaman kerajaan tahu semua sudah tammat bila Najib jadi PM telah menjadi kenyataan.

  11. Interesting post… and very well researched I must say…

    if there was indeed a shootout, logically, the whole apartment would be riddled with bullet holes. Usually during shootouts, the suspects would have taken cover behind walls or furniture. And the wounds seems to be very accurately targeted. None on hands and legs.

    I honestly don’t know where BN is heading. Their major component parties are disintegrating. One by one they are being wiped out with each passing GE. PPP, Gerakan, MCA, MIC…

    While I understand how some UMNO blogger & supporters feel, but the fact is, the government is led by UMNO. Whatever UMNO leaders, it’s collective supporters and civil servants say or do reflect on UMNO and the government. It’s perception.

    I think the majority of people are not too bothered about direct political issues. They are more concerned about everyday issues, like crime, education, economy, etc. And these issues have & will continue to have a direct bearing on their support & voting preference.

    1. Re: ” very well researched I must say”

      You must have failed your research classes. Helen has written only speculation. There is no concrete evidence except for the pictures. And even those pictures don’t have proper chain of custody to prove that it accurately depicts the aftermath of the incident. For all you know, this is just for public consumption and the real damning evidence is withheld for fear of alerting the head honchos of this ‘macai’s.

      I think it sends a message to the gangs. Fear the Police. And, that’s the way it should be.

      1. Yes, it is purely academic. Do you think all the commenters here are that naive to buy the official version? If the truth is revealed, most of you won’t even believe it anyway. And if the police were really after the more senior ranking ones, you think they can’t?

        The message is not “fear the police”…. It’s “toe the line”.

  12. Tangan dibalut dgn kertas tu kerja forensik – to preserve evidence from the hand – any evidence, bukan gun residue saja. Balut utk elakkan terganggu semasa proses mengalihkan mayat. The evidence akan dikumpul di bilik mayat semasa post mortem.

    1. Okay, what you say makes sense.

      But the family members of the man in the third photo dispute why the paper bag is wrapped around his left hand when he is a right-hander.

      1. Any person with competent knowledge in handguns know you get better accuracy if you hold the pistol’s grip with two hands.

  13. I am with the police force all the way. If I was a police man in that raid, given the reputation and intel the police had on the crime syndicates, I’d rather to shoot the criminals before they shoot me first.

    And even pictures tell thousand words, this is a shootout with criminals, the manner in which these criminals die ie the way they lie down after being shot is not really the issue with me. Compare it with all the dead people being shot by criminals lately, they seemed to lie down on their back looking ‘innocent’.

    This is not even about race to me. If Malay criminals were shot down like dogs like this, I’d still be behind the police force.

    Criminals have no heart.

    I don’t know why I even comment on this.

    When the police do nothing. ‘People’ complaint. When the police take action. ‘People’ complain.

    Decide for yourself who these ‘people’ are.

    1. “Criminals have no heart…”

      Criminals are humans too. I’m sure people don’t turn to crimes in life out of personal interest. Nobody with a sane mind would want to make career out of breaking the laws of the land. Given a choice I’m sure some of them do aspire to be model citizens. They turned to crimes because of some unfortunate circumstances, personal tragedies in family, inability to find jobs, being stateless, inability to find love in family, trapped in poverty cycle and so on.

      “When the police do nothing. ‘People’ complaint. When the police take action. ‘People’ complain.”

      The public has the right to criticize because the police are serving the public. It’s their job. It’s even written as their misi in their website as follows: “Memberi perkhidmatan yg professional dan berkualiti dlm melindungi negara dan menjamin persekitaran yg selamat utk masyarakat.” What’s being in question here is their professionalism. This is year 2013 already; public doesn’t wish to see police employing brute tactics in closing cases (instead of properly solving them). Public seek answers to holes and flaws in the explanation of the whole incident. This has happened before in the past, this ain’t the first time.

      1. Typical ‘Christian’ turn-the-other-cheek mentality. But when your loved one is taken by a criminal, you would certainly be demanding for blood.

        When our shores were attacked by foreigners at Lahad datu, your type was also begging for blood. Those foreigners were human,too!

  14. Helen, if police had shot the gang members in their sleep, why then were all of them (including the one with the pillow under his head) were sleeping on the floor? Don’t they have beds or at least mattresses in that apartment? About the shooting at close range argument, I believe the close confines inside the apartment didn’t allow for the shootings to be from any other range. Anyway, I don’t believe our police are a murderous bunch of people who deliberately planned to shoot innocent people in their sleep. What could they possibly gain from doing that?

    1. Annie,

      The one with the pillow under his head is on a bed. If you look at the top right on the edge of the picture, you can see the crease of the white bedsheet. You can also see the crease of the white bed cloth under his right arm.

      The bodies in the second and third pictures are on the floor while in the fourth picture, the body is on the floor beside a bed. You can partially see a light brown wooden bed frame on the top of the photo.

      At the top of the third picture, there is a piece of dark brown furniture (we can see a wooden rail). It is likely a bed headboard.

      *** *** ***

      The man in the fourth picture was killed with very accurate aim — right between the eyes and in the dead centre of his chest plus one bullet in the temple. If the police is such a sharpshooter, why the bloodbath and “take no prisoners”?

      The suspects could have been taken alive by such excellent sharpshooters since they were caught unawares. That they were surprised by the raid is indicated by the fact that all are shirtless in the photos (and probably in ‘pyjama’ shorts) and the raid was reportedly carried out at 4.30am.

      Police sharpshooters who can hit dead centre between the eyes and in the middle of the chest (fourth picture) are surely skillful enough to aim at parts of the body that would cause sufficient injury but not instantly kill.

      The bullet wound under the chin (third picture) although not impossible in a firefight but still the angle of the bullet entry is suspicious.

      1. Ok Helen, I had zoomed in on the first picture and you are likely right, the body of the deceased looked very much to be on a bed. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that he was shot by police while sleeping. The rest of the gang were definitely not sleeping when they were shot dead as their bodies were clearly laying on the floor. Could it possibly be that the shootings happened in a split second and the policemen involved, knowing the gang members were armed and known killers, didn’t want to take any chances when there were signs of resistance? In this case the policemen had indeed claimed they were shot at and showed bullet marks on their bulletproof shields. Shouldn’t we give them the benefit of the doubt that they had stormed into the rooms where the gang members were sleeping and didn’t take any chances when they faced resistance. As we often watched in the movies, when a criminal reached for his firearm, the police didn’t hesitate to shoot him. Probably the same thing happened in this incident. Could we blame the policemen for not taking any chances with such armed and dangerous criminals? Whatever it is, I still don’t see the motive behind the policemen wanting to simply shot dead the gang members? They are definitely not killing those men for fun. And those shot dead were indeed real members of a violent crime gang as their family and friends had proudly proclaimed by carrying placards and symbols of their 04 gang on the day of their funeral.

        And aren’t we all glad that after the police’s crack down, the almost daily execution style killings the previous weeks suddenly stopped?

      2. Re: “If the police is such a sharpshooter, why the bloodbath and “take no prisoners”?”

        Isn’t this the DAP-type logic that was used in asking why the samseng in the recent car chase wasn’t hit but the lady passenger was?

        Why is it that time and again I find that type or style of arguing coming from usually one group of people — the opposition.

        When it comes to police or other government institutions people in the opposition would ‘sangka buruk’, but when it comes to Chinese or Indian issues (which you apparently have a soft spot for), the opposition and their supporters usually would ‘sangka baik’. Now, I am not saying you, Helen, are guilty. I just see that sometimes the chinese side of you kicks in, and it casts doubt on your effectiveness in arguing against the opposition..

        How, Helen, can you make an assumption that the police has a sharpshooter? Also, even if they did have a sharpshooter, do you think that what you normally see on Hollywood CSI and other crime shows accurately depicts actual crime situations, let alone the capabilities and training of real life sharpshooters? Or do you think that a sharpshooters’ intent can be adjusted to just maim rather than kill, according to his whim? Do you think this is part of his training?

        What if I told you that ALL police, even Western police officers, are trained to kill NOT maim. They are taught– a perpetrator is still dangerous if just maimed. The intent of any police who uses his gun is to kill. This is STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE.

        Let me put it another way, I have shot rifles and guns before, even an automatic weapon. I can tell you that hitting a target is hard. You need strong concentration in order to achieve it. Do you think the incident would have given the police officers time to think? Do you think that the officer would say to himself, “let me just injure this suspect, who has a gun drawn on me. That’s the kind thing to do”. Do you think police use all those hours at a gun range to aim for the shoulder or thigh!?

        And then ask yourself, if you put your life at risk, would you just injure a suspect (ie spare him his life) or put him down for good?

        This incident must have happened in a flash. The officers used their training, which was AIM TO KILL. This is a reflex action, not a deliberative thought process that takes into account possible legal and political implications for UMNO and DAP!

  15. public sentiment has it that these were dangerous criminals involved in past killings, and they deserved what they got.. but does it really justify cops becoming just like them,

    if they were executed in cold blood, then the executors are murderers as well, so much for law enforcement.. what’s the point of courts and prisons? when they become judge- jury -executioner? even vicious serial killers or rapist need their day in court and accountability to justice..only judges can sentence the death penalty.

    police are law enforcers, paid to and of course appreciated that they do risk their lives.. but when the sanctity of the law is not applied and they become stone cold killers, what is the difference between them and those they murder, just a badge and a licence to kill?

    1. Re: “but does it really justify cops becoming just like them,”

      This is such a biased comment. The police enforce the law using guns. Guns are used to kill. We don’t give tasers or bean bag rounds to subdue criminals. We give them weapons with live rounds. Why? Because we want the police to use them.

      Criminals don’t use tasers. They USE GUNS. Would you bring a knife or plush toy to a gun fight?

      I would love to hear the opposition types and their softie gay supporters argue for non-lethal weapons. I am sure the establishment would rip them apart.

      As colonel jessup said in a Few Good Men, “You can’t HANDLE THE TRUTH”.

  16. Just wondering… where did you get all these pictures?

    Dont you think this might distrupt police investigation by posting all these pictures… Pictures speaks a thousand word and half of it might be our own perception instead of the truth…

    1. The CPO in his press conference said “case solved”.

      Presumably the police do not intend to investigate further as ‘everyone’ seems convinced of their guilt.

      If the police had really wanted to investigate further, they would have taken the suspects alive. Since the men were all so young, it’s logical that even if they were really guilty as alleged, they would only be the macai (foot soldiers).

      The kingpin and mastermind is still at large.

      If the suspects were taken alive, they could have been interrogated to extract more information on the gang operations.

      1. I still insist on knowing the source of these pictures…

        I’m just wondering why nowadays it is easy for us common folk to get something as confidential as this…

      2. Helen, you sounded like the police chief already. I don’t think you have the authority to say that. Anyway what good will it bring. Morally speaking as well I don’t think we have any right to speculate such a delicate and secretive operation. Its not fair to the police also since they can be academically rebutting anyone of us here and elsewhere due to the nature of their operations.

        1. Ralat,

          ‘Its not fair to the police also since they can be academically rebutting anyone of us here and elsewhere due to the nature of their operations.’

          Sepatutnya dibaca

          Its not fair to the police also since they can’t be academically rebutting anyone of us here and elsewhere due to the nature of their operations.

  17. i thot this was what usa bush sop is about, preempt and prevent, the so call terrorist/crook deserve this.

  18. The police should have done this a long time ago. There’s no point talking about being “reasonable” here. The interest of the public is above anything else.

    Now is the time for more “active” measures to deal with criminals. Preventive laws never work.

    To The Royal Malaysian Police, I say, well done. Do what you must.

  19. Semua yang kerajaan buat dan polis buat tak betul. Jadi siapa yang betul ?. Bila gengstar mengganas berbunuh sama sendiri dan bunuh orang kata polis tak cekap dan tak buat kerja. bial polis buat kerja pergi apartment nak tangkap suspects mereka tak mahu serah diri. Bila polis nak masuk dalam apartment mereka tembak. polis tak boleh masuk ke ? jangan-jangan puak-puak ni sebahagian dari samseng tu sebab tu lah mereka cari salah polis sana sini. bela gengstar tu…masa perarakan mayat macam-macam lambang keluar –04,08, swastika, RIP blah..balah ..blah – lamnabg apa ni..Tak ada ke bloger yang terror boleh beritahu pa itu…..atau surat kabar Star .. J Star beritahu pembaca apa tu…

    1. Kan saya dah nyatakan di sidebar bahawa “Aku Cina”.

      Bagi kaum saya, Najib (berbanding pemimpin-pemimpin Umno yang lain masakini) adalah merupakan pilihan yang paling wajar.

      Tapi sayang seribu kali sayang masyarakat Cina yang begitu pendek akal telah bertindak menjatuhkan air muka beliau dalam PRU13. Itu kesilapan besar dalam percaturan politik orang Cina.

      Namun saya suara minoriti yang sekecil-kecilnya, jadi apakan daya.

      Berikut adalah analisa saya:

      (1) Prestasi Umno dalam PRU13 sebenarnya meningkat. Yang terkebelakang hanyalah MCA, Gerakan dan SUPP (parti majoriti Cina).

      (2) Keputusan PRU adalah yang sebaik-baiknya yang boleh dicapai BN memandangkan keadaan, yakni penolakan mutlak oleh kaum Cina yang mencerminkan gelombang India tahun 2008.

      (3) Kekalahan BN disebabkan oleh undi Cina. Kalau bukan Najib yang menerajui BN, dan barang sesiapa pemimpin Umno yang lain pun yang menjadi panglima perang, gabungan parti pemerintah tetap akan kalah kerusi-kerusi itu juga.

      (ii) Ini kerana Najib sudah membuat segala apa yang mampu. Kalau pengerusi BN berupa orang [lain] – katakan ia Tun M sekalipun – undi Cina akan pastikan BN kalah di kawasan-kawasan kerusi campur bandar itu.

      (iii) Saya memang tahu orang Melayu kurang berpuas hati dengan strategi berlembut Najib. Akan tetapi, hendak tak hendak, eksperimen tersebut perlu dicuba juga. Sekiranya Najib tidak berusaha memujuk, kita tidak akan dibuktikan sikap dan pendekatan orang Cina.

      Dan sekiranya Najib tidak memanjakan Cina hingga takat maksimum pada kali itu, nanti beliau dipersalahkan pula atas kejadian Tsunami Cina kononnya he didn’t try hard enough.

      (iv) Lain kali (PRU14), Najib takkan buat lagi lah. But the bottomline is that he still had to give the Chinese enough rope to prove the “tidak boleh diajak berbicara” rejection.

      (v) Pada pandangan saya, masyarakat Cina yang mengecewakan Najib dan bukan sebaliknya. PRU13 ada kilas peluang yang dihulurkan oleh Datuk Onn Jaafar pada tahun 1951-52 tetapi tokoh negarawan tersebut pun dikecewakan tiada sambutan orang Cina.

      Melihat kepada bagaimana sejarah berulang, maka ketahui lah kita akan fatal flaw yang tersemat di dalam sanubari orang Cina Malaysia.

      1. Helen,

        “lain kali Najib takkan buat lagi”

        Malangnya ianya masih dibuat juga. Entah apa sebab Najib lantik orang hindraf jdi Timbalan Menteri.

        Najib masih tak sedar bahawa strategi beri apa saja tak akan bawa sokongan. Terbukti Timbalan Menteri itu pula kritik polis.

        Najib masih mahu beri jawatan menteri pada MCA. Susah sangat ke nak lantik ahli parlimen Sabah/Sarawak ke jawatan Menteri Pngangkutan.?

        Dan Najib juga buat kerja tak fikir bila mahu letak SPR dibawah Parlimen. walhal tiada masalah dengan SPR. Hanya pembangkang yang enggan terima kennyataan mereka kalah pilihanraya.

        Yang diperlukan ialah pemimpi yang tegas. Najib walaupun beri BRIM sana sini masih dilihat sebagai pemipin UMNO yang “kurang” roh islam. Tidak seperti tun Dr mahathir yang wallaupun tegas dilihat pertahankan Melayu.

        Strategi Njib ialah manjakan golongan yang berperang dengan Kerajaan beliau. Dan sebaliknya ambil mudah dan pandang sebelah mata golongan yang pertahankan kerajaan beliau.

        Ini pada Najib strategi “lautan Biru”. Bagi saya Najib menempah maut (politik).

        1. re: “Entah apa sebab Najib lantik orang hindraf jdi Timbalan Menteri.”

          Aiyoooo Shamshul. We’ve tarik tali on this issue a few times already.

          Okay, never mind our past disagreements on the topic. Let’s just focus on the current.

          Now that Waytha Moorthy is appointed a Deputy Minister, should he have spoken up on the shooting of the five in Sg Nibong?

          http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2013/08/23/waytha-moots-govt-ngo-effort-against-crime/

          1. Helen,

            Of course I know why Hindraf guy was appointed as a Deputy Minister. It has to do with najib’s irritating attitude of pleasing those who are against his government(meaning non Malays).

            But our doubt again was proven to be the truth. Hindraf guy simply proves that he does not wish to fit in Najib’s administration.

            If Najib thinks that appointing this guy is carrying more votes for him then let me say that the effect is the opposite.

            1. Shamshul,

              Let’s discuss further the bottomline of Vote Count for the BN.

              Like I’ve said in my earlier response to Islam1st, with the Chinese tsunami, the Chinese votes in GE13 would have gone to the oppo whether Najib tried to placate the community or whether he took the hardline.

              No matter what Najib did, the Chinese were implacable. Any other Umno leader chairing the BN for the last election could not have done any better than Najib’s performance. On the other hand, they’d surely have done worse vis-a-vis the non-Malay votes.

              At least some of the Indian votes returned to the BN in GE13. But a lot stayed with Pakatan. This is proven by the oppo winning the popular vote.

              re: “If Najib thinks that appointing this guy is carrying more votes for him then let me say that the effect is the opposite.”

              We can safely assume that in GE14:

              — Chinese all for Pakatan

              — Malay majority for BN (interestingly some of the Sarawak natives who are Muslim are incorporated into the ‘Malay’ classification in the population stats)

              (And there is a mutual hatred between the two groups above)

              Who will their votes go to?

              — Indians

              — Sabah-Sarawak native Christians

              We saw DAP playing up ‘Allah’ and Christian issues to win big in Sarawak and over the next month, we shall see the court decision on the ‘Allah’ case.

              Since DAP and Umno are certain of carrying forward their GE13 vote bank into GE14

              (the DAP’s includes urban, disgruntled Malays who read The J-Star whose media group has an audience of 5.63 million adults),

              then it is the fringe like the Hindraf Indians and the Iban, KDM Christians who will determine whether Umno remains in Putrajaya or is sent to warm the opposition benches. The J-Star editors are confident that Umno is on the verge of collapsing and that’s why their paper berani nyala api dalam sekam.

              Look at what happened in Selangor. Between GE12 and GE13, Pakatan consolidated their position to win a two-thirds majority in the state.

              Selangor Umno is so lacklustre. The DAP Madam Speaker’s all pervading presence is like Big Brother (Sister).

              Once BN loses, it will never regain power. Just look at the DAP’s iron grip on Selangor today after they were given a foothold in 2008.

              1. Helen, very much in agreement with you on the Najib vis a vis the Chinese (and its tsunami) analysis made above.

                ‘No matter what Najib did, the Chinese were implacable.’

                Can somebody please whisper this to the gendang cina playing PM kucing.

                I believe it is still too early to say whether UMNO is going kaput or not, for whatever reasons. This is very much depends whether Najib is still helming the presidency or not. And if not who is then, whom will be replacing him. Should Najib is still the country’s PM in years to come, it will very much depends on whether Najib dah berubah atau tidak. Also how kuat UMNO alternatives (is there any?) boleh gantikan UMNO or it roles. I doubt it. So most probably UMNO will be around for the longest time.

                I don’t think asking Najib to step down is going to memusnahkan UMNO.

                1. Yes, Umno will remain the strongest single party in Malaysia well into the future.

                  The question is whether the BN will remain in power in Putrajaya.

                  As I’ve said, Umno actually fared better in GE13 than they did in GE12. However the non-Bumiputera components of the BN sunk and BN lost the popular vote.

                  You can’t get away from the fact that Pakatan received more votes than BN, and that Umno was saved by rural and semi-urban seats which had a lot less voters compared to the DAP’s sardine-packed seats.

                  It’s like the Obama situation in the US. The Republican party got the majority of the white votes but they are not sitting in the White House, are they?

                  1. ‘The question is whether the BN will remain in power in Putrajaya.’

                    Yes, this is yet to be seen.

                    ‘It’s like the Obama situation in the US. The Republican party got the majority of the white votes but they are not sitting in the White House, are they?’

                    Kita apple, mereka orange, mana sama Helen?!

                    1. Actually, I was impressed that Dr M anticipated the Obama 2013 scenario.

                      All the time the Tun has been warning that if the Malay votes berpecah, Malays would lose power.

                      I’d thought that he was exaggerating. How can Malays lose power if they are the majority, right?

                      But the US presidential election illustrated what Dr M cautioned. The whites are the majority in the USA. And the majority of the whites voted for Romney but he still lost to Obama.

                      Obama got up to 97 percent of the black women vote (according to exit poll). He got the Hispanic and Asian votes. He probably got the gay and the unwed mothers vote too. And he got enough of the white votes (although less than Romney’s) to carry him past the finish line first.

                    2. and the white working class are very angry with Obama and the Democrats. The Blacks too are very angry with him. So far he has done nothing for the black community. All he ever did was lecturing the black community the same way white leaders lecture the blacks, and he still does.

                      Hispanics are with him, knowing that with their expanding demographics, they will have more bargaining power. How long the Hispanics will remain with the Democrats, that remains to be seen. Hispanics are largely with the Democrats because of immigration issues i.e legalization of illegals which by the way are mostly Hispanics from Mexico and the Caribbean.

                    3. re: “All he ever did was lecturing the black community the same way white leaders lecture the blacks”

                      He can’t stand for re-election for a third term. So for the rest of what remains of his tenure, he can do what he likes as there is no need for him to fish for votes.

                      re: “How long the Hispanics will remain with the Democrats”

                      The Dems can put up a Latino as their next presidential candidate. This would be repeating the same successful formula as used by Obama.

                    4. Re. The Dems can put up a Latino as their next presidential candidate. This would be repeating the same successful formula as used by Obama.

                      And the white working class will become even more radicalized.

                      Closer at home, The Democratic Action Party can elect a Malay as party secretary general too knowing full well that the Anglophile Chinese Christian dominated Central Executive will make sure that this Malay party secretary general is a puppet. But of course the Malay urban class, especially the professionals, will likely buy this sham. Don’t believe me ? How many Malay professionals read The Sham Star ? A lot I say yet the Establishment Malays are still in complacency saying that urban, professional Malays will not vote for that party.

                      A storm is brewing and it will hit shores in GE14.

                      The question is, who is better prepared in the coming GE14 ? Care to answer my question ?

                    5. re: “The question is, who is better prepared in the coming GE14 ? Care to answer my question?”

                      Umno tidur.


                      Rock-a-bye baby, in the tree top

                      When the wind blows, the cradle will rock

                      When the bough breaks, the cradle will fall

                      And down will go baby, cradle and all.

              2. “Once BN loses, it will never regain power. Just look at the DAP’s iron grip on Selangor today after they were given a foothold in 2008.”

                Perhaps it is Penang you are talking about? Selangor’s composition of Pakatan seats for PKR, DAP, PAS is 14,15,15 respectively.

                But Barisan Nasional has itself to blame for its loss in Selangor, Penang, and near loss in Terengganu. And the popular vote. UMNO’s radicalization to the right alienated a lot of middle ground voters. It is now dependent on the Sabah and Sarawakians to remain in government. This is why you see more East Malaysians voicing out for their rightful share.

                1. Some of the PAS seats (which the party had never won before in the Selangor semi-urban mixed areas) were obtained on the back of DAP voters.

                  The DAP is too strong in the state and that was why Khalid Ibrahim took so long to announce his exco line-up. The delay was due to backroom jostling was to curtail the DAP’s power.

                  1. The DAP is a Rightist party pretending to be centre left and their propaganda is working magically, especially with a hoodwinked Chinese community.

                    Any party that uses religion is Rightist. The secret to the DAP’s success is that when dealing with the hoodwinked Chinese majority, it will tell them exactly what they want to hear, things like fairness, equality, justice, stuff like that.

                    But, when they are speaking to their core constituents, the Anglophiles and Christians who bankrolled the DAP, they will say what is it that they are really up to, that is to establish dominion over the rest of Malaysia via, consolidation of the hoodwinked Chinese vote, divide the Malays into various factions, and marginalized the rest like Indians and other Pribumi.

                    DAP is, in essence, a Fascist party.

                    1. “DAP is, in essence, a Fascist party.”

                      It is really funny you say that considering that the screeching noise to restore the ISA, restore Mahathir as Prime Minister, military coup, implement discriminatory laws against minorities, and fearmongering against minorities is all coming from the Barisan Nasional minions

                    2. ‘DAP is, in essence, a Fascist party.’

                      Patutla depa promote anarki dengan bagi orang benci establishment dan sokong gangsters!

  20. Back to topic, the circumstances of the shooting are in doubt. While the PDRM believe that the demise of these 5 persons are beneficial in combatting crime(the lesser of them,better), if the officers do not comply to SOP and engage with extereme prejudice, it must be investigated as the issue can take on racial and poltical dimension later on.

    I think this is like the Police targetting African Americans in the US which also becomes a social and political issue in the US. Hence the TheStar Scissorati is just playing the same game implicitly through the duplicity of the English lexicons to harness and dupe the Jerusubangite skewed conviction into a certain agenda.

    Remember, demographically, the criminal profile in prisons are largely Malays, if PDRM main samseng, even the Malays and other Malaysians also suffer not just Indians. PDRM still need check and balance, it is still a powerful institution in Malaysia that needs to be accountable.

    While I think Waytha mulut melepas, what he ask is not wrong, pasal Zahid nye comment, that is internal issue between them.

    Waytha did enter a cabinet hostile to him, although I do not like Hindraf, the circumstances to have him in cabinet will be good and beneficial for the Indians and even the govt.

  21. Sekarang I pulak nak tanya reporters (Star) or journalist2 meja. Masa kejadian tembak menempak anyone of you present?

    Gambar ni semua supplied by? Main kutip2 cerita, andaian itu ini dah jadi tak sensasi lagi.. kalau pasai gambar 2nd hand, org macam Tian Chua boleh bila2 masa godam.

    BTW, walaupun mereka ni suspected criminals, their family members are still human.. bayangkan nenk ibu bapa isteri dan anak2 yg tak berdosa (dan tidak terlibat langsung) terdedah dgn gambar2 ini…

    Siapa laa yg distributed these photos?

    1. re: “their family members are still human.. bayangkan nenk ibu bapa isteri dan anak2 yg tak berdosa (dan tidak terlibat langsung) terdedah dgn gambar2 ini…”

      Their family members have lost a son, a sibling, a husband.

      As for the photo expose, the Indian community is about as upset as the Chinese community were over TBH.

      Sorry I’m not able to read Tamil but I did see that all the Tamil newspapers carrying a big and front page coverage on this.

      1. The police have done a lot of good by hiring chinese and indian policemen. Despite that fact, there is still the perception that the police is a Malay dominated institution.

        I hope the chinese and indian policemen would speak for their brother in arms and defend the actions of the police who raided and killed these alleged gang members. These were not targeted killings. Had they been targeted gang killings don’t you think the pictures won’t be released in such a manner? The pictures were distributed to put the fear in these thugs, who have shown very clearly that they want to test the resolve of the police officers.

      2. Helen,

        and the police just like criminal are also human.

        Do “bayangkan keluarga anggota polis yang mati ditembak penjenayah”.

          1. The difference is that the suspects were ambushed and the police were the ones doing the ambushing.

            The risk of casualties on the side of the ambusher is minimized and on the side of the ambushed party is maximized.

            That is why not a single policeman was injured in the Sg Nibong raid whereas ALL the five suspects were shot dead (and one of them a case of uncertain identity — the police released his name as Vinut but when his family went to claim the body, they found Rakan instead).

            If you were to look at press cuttings from the archives over the last 20 years, you will find that in the raids, it is very common that ALL the suspects are always shot dead.

              1. After the public outcry over the Sg Nibong raid, the suspects have been caught alive.

                See … the police can be extremely efficient if they want to be.

                1. Re. See … the police can be extremely efficient if they want to be.

                  See how the psyc. war has worked to the police benefits actually. Surrender or or we hunt you down. Mana mau lari?

  22. Better watch SWAT real life situation in the Discovery/National Geographic channel to know better how the tactical operative team operates. Don’t make “been there done that” assumption just base on pictures.

    There difference the one in Penang and Nibong, Penang in the tight place where the other one in the double housing terrace where they have chances to get away. By the way did the gangster give Salam to their victim before they shot them more than 3 times for a person.

    The elite squad whether they are from Army of Police got this motto “1 peluru 1 musuh” which strive for sharp shooter. See the difference skill level between the pro and the gangster.

  23. The day white collar (sic) criminals – who do more damage to this country – are blown away in “police” shoot outs, is the day I rejoice.

    Our public institutions have been compromised and UMNO is solely to blame.

    All of this is the just part of the show for partisans to display their colours.

    1. “The day white collar (sic) criminals – who do more damage to this country – are blown away in “police” shoot outs, is the day I rejoice.”

      Agreed that the white collar criminals in business and government need to be punished. Prison time would be sufficient.

    2. ‘The day white collar (sic) criminals – who do more damage to this country – are blown away in “police” shoot outs, is the day I rejoice.’

      Kollywood styles!

      1. The PricewaterhouseCoopers 2009 Global Economic Crime Survey includes a measure of the percentage of respondents from various territories who reported suffering some type of fraud. Canada fares very badly in this survey, with 56% of respondents reporting fraud. Only three of the 54 countries surveyed fared worse: Russia (71%), South Africa (62%) and Kenya (57%).

        The table below lists the countries with the best and worst results on this measure.

        PwC 2009 Global Economic Crime Survey,
        Table 2
        Territories that reported high levels of fraud (40% or more) % of organisations reporting fraud
        Russia 71%
        South Africa 62%
        Kenya 57%
        Canada 56%
        Mexico 51%
        Ukraine 45%
        UK 43%
        New Zealand 42%
        Australia 40%
        Territories that reported low levels of fraud (20% or less) % of organisations reporting fraud
        Italy 19%
        Sweden 19%
        Singapore 18%
        India 18%
        Indonesia 18%
        Switzerland 17%
        Finland 17%
        Romania 16%
        Netherlands 15%
        Turkey 15%
        Hong Kong 13%
        Japan 10%

        Ramai orang cakap tak serupa bikin. Malaysia and the US are not in the list. It either the survey is not done here or “UMNO Rasuah PWC to take it out from the top list”.

        What do you think?

          1. ‘Malaysia and the US are not in the list. It either the survey is not done here or “UMNO Rasuah PWC to take it out from the top list”.’

            Obama dan Najib rasuah PWC untuk keluarkan kedua-kedua negara sempena lawatan Obama ke Malaysia, sempena oktober nanti. Tak percaya tanya ayya kat atas tu!

            1. quote,“UMNO Rasuah PWC to take it out from the top list”,unquote…

              macam keluar dari mulut Anwar jer….

        1. Um, next time kindly provide a link if you want to cite a source.

          Apparently this survey was web based. Deals with companies (senior [sic] representatives) only which is why companies in Malaysia and the US perhaps chose not to participate and deals mainly with fraud.

          White collar crime deals with a whole range of activities* which not only includes governmental economic malfeasance which should be considered treason….or at least I would consider it treason.

          Everything from tax evasion to corporate fraud to healthcare fraud to racketeering to financial scandals to blackmail. Take your pick.

          1. Edit to correct:

            Missed your link. My mistake.

            I went directly to the survey in question.

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