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Dr M’s memoir — May 1969 extracts

Below are some excerpts from Chapter 15 of Dr Mahathir Mohamad’s autobiography A Doctor in the House. (MPH Group Publishing April 2011 edition, pages 197-209 refer).

About the aftermath of the 10 May 1969 general election:

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“In the end, the Alliance could not form the Government in these two states [Perak and Selangor]”.

“In all the peninsular states except Johor – traditionally an Umno stronghold – support for both Umno and MCA had eroded badly.”

“The Opposition parties were jubilant and did not hide it. They behaved as if they had won the General Election.”

“Trouble had long been brewing and some of us had seen it coming.”

“In the two years leading to the 1969 General Election, antagonism between Malays and Chinese had risen sharply.”

“The general feeling on the ground was that while the Chinese wanted the privileges of citizenship, they were unwilling to shoulder the responsibilities  [e.g. serve in the armed forces or the police]”.

“The PAP mantle was now draped over the DAP, a party formed by Malaysian Chinese members of the PAP. By persisting with the Malaysian Malaysia campaign, the DAP incited Chinese chauvinism and so helped stoke the fires of Malay racialism.”

“On their part, the Malays became emotional and argued their case poorly.

“Although the Malays are the masters of political nuance, ironically, in argument, they often lack subtlety and emphasise the wrong things.

“I had expected something to happen, but nothing of the scale and violence of the riots.”

“Malays outside the city did not condemn the riots even though there was general anger in the community.”

“When I finally made it to Kuala Lumpur a few days later, the city looked like a war zone.”

“Foreign observers had repeatedly predicted that the Chinese and Malays would not be able to live together.”

“I said unequivocally that the MCA should not be in the Government. It had not supported the Alliance and its members (as in Kota Star Selatan*) had even voted for the Opposition, including PAS. … I thought it only right that the MCA leave the Government.”

* Kota Star Selatan was Dr M’s Parliamentary constituency where he was the incumbent. He failed to defend his seat in the 1969 GE, losing the 3,500 Chinese voters there.
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“The tumultuous Malay sentiments of that time”

Dr Mahathir was more on the ball when it came to the ability “to see what was happening on the ground”. In 1967 he already “sensed a change in the atmosphere” following the worsening of the relationship between the Malays and the Chinese within the Alliance and outside.

He  wrote (p.194):

“I became ever more convinced that the Chinese would not vote for the Alliance in the 1969 General Election.”

About the consequences of the intense six-week election campaigning period itself, Dr M said, “what took place was an eruption of pent-up feelings — of rage in some and jubilation in others”.

Malay sentiments are today similarly tumultuous but the Chinese are in denial, with the same capacity of denying the obvious like how they can insist that the Alvivi Bak Kut Teh is “organic vegetarian”.

Dr M had commented that “the DAP incited Chinese chauvinism and so helped stoke the fires of Malay racialism”.

Deep in denial

Again today we see the identical Malay racialism rearing its head, but the deep-in-denial Chinese refuse to acknowledge their own part in stoking the fires. The Chinese behave as if they are entirely faultless for the escalating racial and religious tensions. They lay all the blame at Umno’s door.

They thump their chest as Firsters and make a show of #sahur.

Dr M had described what happened back in 1969 in these words (pages 194-5): “During those six weeks, the communal campaigning was vicious. Tempers frayed and inter-communal tensions mounted. All parties played on racial issues and the emotions they engendered. […] Invectives were venomously hurled as each side tried to demonise the other.”

Not only should we be experiencing a deja vu but we can further add the current explosive religious issues to the “racial issues” of May 1969.

The Malays charge that the Chinese celebrating the election victory of the DAP, Gerakan and other opposition parties were kurang ajar.

Dr M’s recollection is thus (p.197): “Many non-Malays who predominated in the crowd made rude remarks and gestures. They taunted the Kampung Baru Malays with cries such as ‘Melayu balik kampung’ and ‘This is our country now’.”

Today the biadab remarks and gestures take a different form.

The most insulting and offensive remarks are not necessarily profanities and vulgar hand gestures. Insult and offense can be couched in a different manner without resorting to such “low class” approach. In fact, the insults delivered obliquely and sugarcoated are no less offensive if not more so. The evangelistas are the master of this art.

Look at the Scissorati’s review of Tanda Putera – J-Star takes potshots at Tanda Putera – to glimpse how the opposition are operating today.

History is repeating itself

Dr M wrote (p.196):

“The taste of defeat was unfamiliar and it was painful. I was also angry at the Chinese, in particular the MCA, who I felt were responsible for my defeat and with it the undermining of my political future. I felt betrayed.”

The BN must demand an explanation from the MCA on how it could have allowed 90 percent of the Chinese vote go to the opposition and letting the media conglomerate that it owns and that it controls to openly campaign for the DAP.

The BN must dissect the role of the MCA, which is rightly held responsible for the defeats suffered by the ruling coalition in GE13.

The BN must ask itself if the behaviour of the MCA, and particularly that of the Scissorati whom are on the payroll of a highly profitable MCA-owned company, should be regarded as a betrayal.

Most important of all, the BN must learn from history so that the country’s future is not undermined by the Gunting dalam Lipatan.

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95 thoughts on “Dr M’s memoir — May 1969 extracts

    1. Alah this indian fella was also the one who said before PRU13 that malays UMNO cannot govern Malaysia alone. muahaha..
      Now UMNO is holding the fort.

      The king of forkiness..

      If you dont think enough you think he is speaking reason. but actually he is talking nonsense and half truth. A man of no principle.

      You should see Tanda Putera where Tunku showed his letter to to other Malay leaders and they said it was biadap. It was a unanimous decision.”Pecat dia!”

      Hussein was not in the picture then. “Dia kalah undi, dia suruh saya letak jawatan” said tunku.

      Typical of this Indian fella. In fact Mahathir would not have made an impact if not for the New Strait Times Indians editors who glorify him at every opportunity. Even today!!

      Take time to see the biopic of two Malay leaders in Tanda Putera if you are interested in Malay politics.

      1. Brader, I believe the so called ‘Indian fella’ had done more good to me, you and all of us, Malaysians, than you ever can imagine. Period. No if and buts about it!

      2. Who did you mean by ‘this Indian fella’? If you meant Tun Dr Mahathir, you have to re-examine your brain or better still have a brain transplant. FYI, TDM is 3/4 Malay and only 1/4 Indian and he is very much respected and whatever he says are still very much appreciated.

        Anyway, we don’t really care that much about the DNA of a leader so long as he/ she a Muslim, speaks BM, berjiwa Melayu and has the ability to lead. He/she also must have the capability to suppress the onslaughts from the opposition parties with tact. Sadly only TDM that fits the bill and he has retired. Sigh!

  1. Ms H. Why the weakness of the Singaporean Trojan Horse DAP leadership ? It is because with their inferior intellect to LKY who also bungled with his 9 failed Policies for Singapore, the DAP leadership can only do worse. Hence, LKY had to write a book to hint to these DAP fellows that 47 long years contemplating their navels by doing nothing for the Malays, Chinese, Indians and all is a very long time. A political party is formed to rule a country and not by doing nothing but insulting and quarreling others in between GEs.

  2. i need to read all the history regarding 1969 riot again. Thanks helen by doing this you help the malay to understand how the chinese DAP mind work.

  3. Hurray!
    “Cinemas in Penang may have to screen Tanda Putera after all despite complying with the state government’s advisory that it should not be shown because of the sensitive nature of the film.

    Communications and Multimedia Minister Ahmad Shabery Cheek said the controversial movie by director Shuhaimi Baba will hit cinemas in Penang starting tomorrow, which is National Day”

    http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/239765

    Since Ministry to refer to AG on Penang’s Tanda Putera ‘ban’ and take legal action.

    http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/239722
    Suggestion: Shuhaimi Baba should sue Penang cinemas for breach of contract of the loss of revenue on the 29th and 30th August.

  4. “The BN must demand an explanation from the MCA on how it could have allowed 90 percent of the Chinese vote go to the opposition and letting the media conglomerate that it owns and that it controls to openly campaign for the DAP.”

    The BN should demand why UMNO allowed its right fringe factions to take over and put people like Zul Noordin and Ibrahim Ali as candidates. Not only did they lose but their candidacy helped the Barisan Nasional lose the majority vote

    1. ac-dc,

      Even without Ibrahim Ali ad Zulkifli Nordin, chinese still would reject BN. So to say that both the politicians resulted in massive Chinese rejection of BN( or more importantly UMNO) is misleading.

      Let us be honest here. chinese were damn sure that this time around( PRU 13) UMNO would have lost the control of politics. So engrossed with their hatred towards UMNO( and anything represents Malays) that they ignored the elephant in the room: Malay voters by large are still with UMNO.

      The truth is that UMNO also gains in this election partly by default. malays simply do not have alternative to UMNO. PAS is no where commanding position similar to UMNO. And Anwar is not accepted as “umat nabi Muhammad SAW” while DAP is eastern part of Suez Canal’s version of “yahudi”.

      But MCA is a let down as usual. It refuses to argue head on with DAP. instead, it allows its media to “lean” towards DAP.

      And malays are reacting too. The lost of alor setar serves as an eye opener. The days of MCA winning in Malay areas is fast coming to its end.

      In all honesty, i notice increasing rudeness among chinese community. They have no qualm preventing dark skinned Malaysians to vote. The remarks in FB are very insulting to Islam. many chinese politicians challenges sanctity of islam.

      Another physical clash between malays and chinese is not surprising.

      1. ‘They have no qualm preventing dark skinned Malaysians to vote.’

        Orang gasar kalau dah berkuasa sikit pun dah gila kuasa macam tu. Kalau dapat tadbir negara, entahlah macam agaknya yang bukan gasar semacam mereka akan dilayan mereka?!

          1. Deep down, these people know they are the descendants of coolies. To compensate, they resort to racism, specifically targeting dark skinned people.

            For them equality has only one meaning. That all must bow down before them.

          2. Footage ini menggambarkan 90% sikap cine yg beri undi kpd Dapster kpd kaum lain. depa ingat depa boleh kuasa semua benda, tapi silap besar kerana ditipu Anuwar. ingat cine bijak sgt ke ? hehehehe
            Anuwar offering olive branch to Majib. Ape citer cine2 semua? Jgn main politik dgn Melayu ya

            1. Helen Majib bagi oilve branch (together with psy and makan besar) to the Chinese depa tolak, sekarang [Anwar] sudah bagi buntot sama Chinese, apa pendapat mereka sekarang, got any scoop ahh?

  5. Oh Helen. Small issue only. Yesterday our JStar asks us all to AskZairil.
    https://twitter.com/search?q=%23AskZairil&src=hash

    Memang tak laku langsung except a few questions.

    Bunga Din ‏@bunga_din 2h He betrayed his own race #DAPBoleh “@CalunTulangPata: fellow cinak RT @seademon @yuanmein @zairilkj real name is Christopher Lim #AskZairil”View conversation

    KS(Kasut Sukan) Lim ‏@CalunTulangPata 2h halo fellow cinak! RT @bunga_din: @seademon @yuanmein @zairilkj his real name is Christopher Lim #AskZairilExpand Collapse Reply Retweet
    John F SeaDemon ‏@seademon 28 Aug Is he a Malay? @yuanmein: He had another name? RT @seademon: #AskZairil what was your real name before it became Zairil Khir johari bin…

    Bunga Din ‏@bunga_din 2h @seademon @yuanmein @zairilkj his real name is Christopher Lim #AskZairil

  6. Yang jadi masalah besar, May13th telah disenyapkan.

    I was in a boarding school n students knew nothing – only noticed the presence of armed personnels guarding our college 24/7. (Kami dulu, papers, radio n TV semua kena control la). Teachers berbilang bangsa, Cina, India dan Mat Salleh – not a whisper from them.

    Home for sch holidays same silence, parents, relatives or neighbours did not breathe a word. My younger siblings were in SJKC – nothing unusual from them too.

    Years later when I started work our coy had dealings with the PDRM/ATM – only then I learnt the true extent of the racial clash. Dari mulut mereka yang terlibat dalam incidence ini. Mengejutkan!

    Kerana perkara buruk begini disenyapkan, the younger generations tidak akan faham.. Tak faham maka tak akan serik sampai bila2!

    1. my dad and a few friends were scholarship students sent fresh out from Sarawak the week before May 13. He was there exploring the street few days before (got some interesting stories on that) May 13 and was on campus in UM when it happened.

      A relative of Tun Rahman (the Chief Minister of S’wak at the time) who was also a student in UM i believe, ran up the the relative newbie Sarawakians and yelled ‘Stay inside! Don’t go out today! There’s people fighting on the streets!’.

      Then later apparently a lot of the students were instructed to give blood, following the event.

  7. Re: “Most important of all, the BN must learn from history so that the country’s future is not undermined by the Gunting dalam Lipatan.”

    That history is the decades of criminally negligent policies of this forgetful odious Doctor who ruined the Malaysian house with his contempt for the community he claims to represent and the other communities he has claimed succoured him in his time of need.

    Although he and his supporters would wish for the same political terrain of his 69′ wet dream, it is unfortunately not so today. The Star is the least of UMNO’s problems and neither is the MCA who grew fat from enabling [t]his kleptocratic regime to leech from the public and at the same time, enabling an Arabisation process that changed the social fabric of this country.

    One day soon and I sincerely hope he lives to see that day (and not run away like so many other autocrats, a Malay mob will appear at his door step demanding a reckoning. We shall see if they (and most probably their Islamic fervour) will be satiated by his pleas of amnesia or his endless supply of hate speech against the Chinese community.

    1. He had done more good things for the country than you ever can dream of. So much the doctor having a wet dream. I believe you were imagining yours more than his when you wrote what you did.

        1. And surprisingly some Indians too, considering the fact that he was being ridiculed as ‘the India that had tipu the Melayu…’as if we care anyway…We don’t define him by his skin or hidung for that matter…Malays has had no qualms having peranakans as their leaders.

          Tunku ada darah Siam. Tun M ada darah Pakistan, kalau ikut surat dia yang dihantar kepada Tunku. Tun Hussein ada darah Turki. Anwar ada darah India.

          Surprisingly also these non-Pribumis who had screamed institutionalized racism via NEP and special positions, had no qualms playing the race card on Tun M.

          Apa lah perasaan orang-orang India yang baca Tun M kena kutuk for kaw-kaw hanya kerana dia ada darah India, imagined or otherwise. Apalah dosa orang India sehingga digambarkan dengan begitu jahat sekali…kesian kat Tun M.

          Kesian lagi orang India.

          1. Bangkok, sembang2 dgn org sana there are 2 dearly ‘loved’ person in their minds…
            1st is their King
            2nd is MAHATHIR!

            As far as Lagos, when Tun (&wife) just arrived for an official function (at his age with no signs of jet lag whatsoever) telah mempersonakan semua yang hadir!

            Say what you people like, dia satu-satunya yang susah dicari ganti diantara 1.8billion.

  8. The Malays today are no longer the same poor and un/lowly educated masses of 1969. Government policies had bolstered and continue to ensure Malays are placed in a dominant position in both private or governmental sector. In the armed forces, Malays hold the key to the highest office. Surely this is not being disputed by the Malays themslves. Even the self proclaimed ultras.

    Contrast that with 1969 when the Malay support pillars were yet fully put in place, fear of Malay losing power today in their homeland is as ludricious as the fear of little green men from Mars come attacking.

    Unlike 1969, the clashes of racial/religious incidences of late, is not borned out of fear (of losing power) on the part of the Malays.

    Chinese chauvinism?

    On this blog, it is not uncommon to hear racial slurs and May 13 reminder by Malay commenters. Some even cite the Indonesia-Chinese massacre for even greater measure.

    Having ascended to the peak of dominance in the administration of the country, such reminders to the non-Malays could only construed as threat.

    If you are threatening somebody, it can only mean sub comsciously you are acknowledging you are in a far superior position than your subject.

    What I am trying to say is … If the Malays want a rerun of May 13 under whatever pretext, nobody can stop them. (hey, if anyone wants to find an excuse to take offense, they will find it) Just make sure don’t use the ‘race/religion under attack’ excuse.

    Cheers

    1. HH,

      “…If the malays want a rerun…”

      Are you out of your mind? What make you think that malays are praying for another May 13?

      As far as I can see, it is DAP that plays racial card. it incites the chinese to think that they are discriminated, that they must insist on separate school. It is Lim Guan Eng who wants to use “allah” for Bible when the word cant be found in Bible, old or King james version.

      1. RE. As far as I can see, it is DAP that plays racial card.

        Are you out of your mind. INI SEMUA SALAH UMNO…

        1. HeHeHe! Ialah semuanya salah UMNO. ACDC and HH cannot berak pun salah UMNO. Sembelit pun salah UMNO, terkincit pun salah UMNO. Sedarlah diri sikit, who are you actually?

          1. LOL and Aku Melayu

            After half a century in power, with racial tension flaring at the slightest altercation, UMNO had indeed alot to answer to.

            Unless both of you are members of certain political group where certain loyalty is expected, I see no reason why we voters had to pledge allegience and limit ourselves to any one party. If any coalition want our votes, I would make sure they work their butt off to earn it

            Cheers

          2. They know they cannot call the Malays out in the open. So, they used a subtler method. Instead of calling, insulting the Malays directly, they attack Umno instead.

            I want to share a story with you all. A couple of years ago, 2005 to be exact, my company hired the services of a recruitment firm. We were looking to hire people to fill some vacancies.

            What happened later stunned us. The head of our HR department back them was a Chinese.

            When the files came in from the recruitment firm, there were only resumes/files from Chinese candidates. No Malays. No Indians. A colleague of mine became suspicious.

            He went back to the recruitment firm, and to his horror, the recruitment firm actually sent files containing Malay and Indian candidates as well as Chinese candidates.

            Needless to say, the head of our HR department was later dismissed.

            1. After Chinese tsunami, we should give no quarter to the Chinese. However good and nice they are toward us, they must have ulterior motives for their own benefits. My late father, who’s half Chinese used to say “A good Chinese is a dead Chinese”. (He borrowed it from John Wayne’s movie).

              What my late father was trying to tell us, his children, was that we should be wary of the Chinese because if they treated you good that meant they wanted something from you. After they got what they wanted, you would be discarded. My father died in 1989 and what he had said is now becoming reality.

            2. The International Jew

              Was the purportedly cherry picked Chinese candidate less qualified than the rest? Just saying.

              A true tragic non-fiction would go along this line… Company had to hire the lesser qualified ones just so they can fulfill the imposed quota numbers.

              1. A manager made this comment to the dismay of others, a Malay lady top performer and a Chinese lady team leader and Jerry, newly joined staff.

                Jerry, I like you because you are Chinese…-Alex the new manager.

                The case was brought to the HR. Investigation was carried out. Despite apologies from the big boss whom had visited the center, the HR kept mum about the result and seems, to many, as not keen to take any action on the manager. It was later known that his confirmation was delayed due to this. That was it!

                The top performer resigned. The team leader resigned. Jerry admitted to the top management and his colleagues of the remarks made by the new manager. Many disgusted and left-top performers with their certs and pay slips would not face difficulty in findings similar jobs in other competing companies. The sale becomes bad and later worsened. The new manager left the few months he had been confirmed.

                the company was being Prudent by the way…tak percaya, ask around…Malaysians, regardless of bangsa can attest to this…

            3. Re: “They know they cannot call the Malays out in the open. So, they used a subtler method. Instead of calling, insulting the Malays directly, they attack Umno instead.”

              I can understand this thinking. UMNO attacks the Chinese community lumping in everyone from the Communists, the DAP, the PAP, the Jews and the aliens from Roswell, so it is no wonder that you think that the Opposition wants to attack the Malays but never once consider that this is just a fight between political parties.

              It’s the same kind of crap that happens when someone criticizes a public institution, that it an attack against UMNO which in turn is an attack against the Malay community.

              Pathetic.

              1. Conrad,

                “Umnoputras” is just a fig leaf.

                I’m inclined to TIJ’s POV in the comment that you quoted above.

                1. Helen,

                  I know its a perspective that you subscribe to but it is something I disagree with.

                  I very much believe that “UMNOputra” is a class distinct from the Malay community, which is desperately fighting for survival.

                  1. See AC-DC’s comment @ https://helenang.wordpress.com/2013/08/27/national-school-with-99-malay-muslim-enrolment/#comment-49219

                    He wrote:

                    “I have been reading some pro UMNO blogs in wake of the Seri Pristana incident and the police shootings. The words and threats they have for the Indian community were harsher than what they used on the Chinese.”

                    I would note that it’s the same phenomenon with the Dapsters bashing the Indians with the vilest insults but being more circumspect when it comes to touching the Malays.

                    Since for the reason of desiring the Malay vote they don kid gloves when it comes to Malays, they use the proxy “Umnoputras”.

                    1. I don’t think so.

                      What I get from this is that both sides, the Malays and the Chinese see that the Indian community is irrelevant in terms of influence.

                      That’s just part of the Sino-Malay reality.

                      I have seen Chinese partisans making the most racists comments against the Malays and vice versa.

                      Neither side hid behind the fig leaf of political parties.

                      If at all, what I have noticed is , it is UMNO which has made any criticism of its actions as an attack against the Malay community.

                      In a similar vein, the DAP specifically has made it that any mention of “race” is in itself racist.

                    2. re: “If at all, what I have noticed is , it is UMNO which has made any criticism of its actions as an attack against the Malay community. In a similar vein, the DAP specifically has made it that any mention of ‘race’ is in itself racist.”

                      I agree with you on both counts above.

                      re: “I have seen Chinese partisans making the most racists comments against the Malays and vice versa.”

                      This bit (above) that you say would be true too.

                      Nonetheless the evangelistas (taking attacks by the Iguana as an example) would be very careful not to embark on a frontal attack on the Malay community which is their potential future vote bank. However they attack Umno and Umnoputras all the time.

                      Umno however is a party with such a huge membership, and not to mention the spouses and children. Hence many Malays cannot but feel slighted (terasa).

                2. Helen

                  I might be over simplistic as I have never fully follow the inner workings of UMNO.

                  Isn’t Umnoputra the elites of the party? I had always assume so whenever that word came up. lol

                  1. re: “Isn’t Umnoputra the elites of the party?”

                    It is the Dapsters that like to use this word which they coined. So it is best they conceptualize who constitute the Umnoputra — UiTM grads? parents of the kids who are in MRSM? a Malay who has benefitted from one of the Bumiputera entrepreneurial programme?)

                    Likewise the forummers on this board might reasonably be asked to define who ‘Dapsters’ are, heh-heh.

                    1. Helen

                      Quote: “UiTM grads? parents of the kids who are in MRSM? a Malay who has benefitted from one of the Bumiputera entrepreneurial programme?”

                      I would say let’s start at the top. Those with ministerial position from that party in question for starters?

                      Define Dapsters?

                      Why not.

              2. What’s pathetic is how Conrad can lump together DAP,PAP,Jews and aliens in the same sentence.

            4. Re. When the files came in from the recruitment firm, there were only resumes/files from Chinese candidates. No Malays. No Indians. A colleague of mine became suspicious.

              I think I heard about this before.

              READ THIS CAREFULLY – ALL MUSLIMS AND MALAYS.

              The exact same tactic is being used by a very high profile local grown job recruitment company. I won’t mention the name here. Few years back one of my staff told me, a friend of his who worked there for a short while notice that the company is doing the same thing. Basically what the company does is to promote CINA-DAP CV ahead of others especially the Malays. Further, I had a very interesting discussion over this with my Indian college mate at grad school as well and where she noticed and suspected the same thing too.

              This is what you should advise your “adik-adik, anak-anak dan saudara-mara” to do.

              1. Browse the job-vacancy list and select the vacancy that fits you your credential and experiences;

              2. Visit the company’s website;

              3. Apply directly via email to HR department.

              4. If the company doesn’t have HR email address then please apply via normal mail.

              5. Do a little research about the company, the department, head of department too. Send another copy directly to the head of department.(tough luck if the head of department happens to be CINA DAP).

              Note: For the record, I have done that for trial and the companies called me directly (even without having to apply via the said job recruitment agency).

              Please spread this news around. I have been keeping this for far too long and almost forgot about it.

      2. Shamshul Anuar

        Quote: “What make you think that malays are praying for another May 13?”

        Personally I too tend to agree with you Malays are not wishing for a rerun of May 13 per se. But it is undeniable the encore of May 13 has been the threat of choice to keep others, especially the Chinese in line.

        Political parties are not shy about playing the racial card, as long as it serve their purpose. UMNO is no different. Let’s say having clung on to power for decades, UMNO is not exactly some blushing boy scouts.

        From the Chinese perspective, yes, they no longer support UMNO. The Chinese don’t see anything wrong throwing their support behind the opposition through the ballot box as this is not a coup where the Chinese conspire to bring down the government of the day by force.

        Quote: “It is Lim Guan Eng who wants to use “allah” for Bible when the word cant be found in Bible, old or King james version…”

        This I have to respectfully disagree with you. LGE does not speak for the church nor the Christians The Bahasa bible in question is actually the very same one currently used in Sabah and Sarawak. These Bahasa bibles are mostly used by the Indonesian and Orang Asli congregation where BM is their first language.

        1. Despite Namewee, Alvivi, Melissa Gooi and the likes, you seems to mention the Chinese as mere bystanders in all of this, should Malaysia revisit May 13.

          ‘These Bahasa bibles are mostly used by the Indonesian and Orang Asli congregation where BM is their first language.’

          Like how many Orang Asli are we talking about, again?

          Since when the Indonesian problems is one of ours, to the extent of sacrificing our social fabric, merely to safeguard the right of the Indonesian Christians?

          Boy or boy, talks about one feeling a little superior against the other. You guys surely top the bill, I must add!

          1. Islam1st

            Quote: “Despite Namewee, Alvivi, Melissa Gooi and the likes, you seems to mention the Chinese as mere bystanders in all of this, should Malaysia revisit May 13.”

            I do acknowledge we have people who are let’s say, less than decent and honorable walking among us that hail from all race and creed.

            Are there bigots and stupid Chinese who are oblivious to the sensitivity of others out there? Of course there are. The question is, should the entire race be held responsible and judged for the antics of certain individuals?

            Bigotry is very alive in people (of all races) and for some reason, I find it easier to accept bigotry that is prevalent in individuals simply because people come from all background and are shaped by their past experience or association. I do give them latitude. On the other hand, institutionalized racism that are sanctioned by the powers that be, borned out of self-serving means are downright deplorable. I cannot tahan.

            Quote: “Like how many Orang Asli are we talking about, again? Since when the Indonesian problems is one of ours, to the extent of sacrificing our social fabric, merely to safeguard the right of the Indonesian Christians?”

            The Orang Asli congregation is not too big in West Malaysia. The Indonesian Christians in West Malaysia consist mostly of expats, laborers and maids. No, they are not too big in numbers either. But their number is besides the point. If there is a ban, no matter how small the number, it is inevitable these people would be affected.

            1. By this logic, you would see no harm of Malaysians fighting over one another just to protect the right of the numerically insignificant Indonesians?

              For the Orang Asli, buat lah bible dalam bahasa Orang Asli. Alah sebab mereka sikit takkan taknak belanja lebih sikit kut…janganlah kedekut sangat?!

        2. Re -“Political parties are not shy about playing the racial card, as long as it serve their purpose. UMNO is no different. Let’s say having clung on to power for decades, UMNO is not exactly some blushing boy scouts.”

          Just to expand on this point (and you may agree or disagree).

          There is nothing really wrong in acknowledging race in a multiracial society where differing cultures are competing in a democratic/capitalistic system.

          As I have argued before both alliance attempt to control the (race) discourse in their own ways, with UMNO making the argument that we are slaves to race and PR (or more accurately the DAP) making the argument that race is irrelevant so long as you belong to a specific race.

          Playing the race card eventually boils down to a semantic or perhaps more accurately a definitional argument. Take for instance the American context and how they acknowledge race.

          The politically correct “liberal” stance is to acknowledge race only when it comes to minorities whereas the PC conservative stance is to not acknowledge race because of minorities.

          Leaving aside the “on paper” egalitarian principles of the US which is no doubt admirable, when it comes to political parties each side acknowledges race in its own ways. The Republicans accuse the Democrats of playing the race cards with its affirmative action policies which is why the majority of African Americans support the DNC.

          While the Democrats accuse the Republicans of playing the race card by appealing to the more affluent white community by their policies on taxes and other efforts to curtail social programme that benefit minority communities. This explains the lack of African American support for the GOP.

          So while in the American context, the discourse is not as race blind as some would have us believe, the manner in which it is conducted is different esp amongst political parties.

          Neither party threatens minorities communities with violence if they don’t vote for them and indeed the issue of “class warfare” was one of the main criticism aimed at the Obama camp.

          What they do is attempt to discover how they can entice people (minorities) to vote form them.

          Take for instance this whole Chinese tsunami BS. I have already given my reasons elsewhere on this board as to why I think this is the dumbest propaganda ever created in Malaysian politics, but let’s say I leave aside the propagandist purposes of the term, the question remains that is threatening the Chinese community to return to UMNO a legitimate means of contributing to the democratic process ?

          The main reason why I despise this man (Mahathir) is that he displays a hostility to the Malay community which he passes off as real politic concern.

          Take this little gem which he has regurgitated numerous times :

          “Although the Malays are the masters of political nuance, ironically, in argument, they often lack subtlety and emphasise the wrong things.“

          In other words he is saying that the Malays are pretty good at the duplicitous game of political scumbaggery but are too emotional to articulate an argument.

          Keep in mind that even in this fetid game, the State used to control all forms of media. so “masters of political nuance” is a pretty hollow claim.

          What we are left with is his contention that Malays are too dumb to make an argument. Of course this cretin forgets that the Malay community always had articulate people who spoke out against the injustices of our Colonial masters and then the various UMNO administrations.

          In fact I would argue that the it was during his Regime that the Malay community had some of the most well argued anti Establishment positions ever.

          Of course when he says “Malays” he really means UMNO and lets face facts when it comes to “vote for us or there will be bloodshed” there are very few ways to make this point subtly and emphasize the right things (sic).

          In fact I would argue that there is only one way to say it and UMNO has been saying it for decades.

          1. Conrad,

            Yup. UMNO is not like a blushing boy scout. Who could be anyway? But I must vouch that its record in treating non Malays is superb.

            It never hinder or restrict non Malays. At height of its power, it refused to be harsh to non Malays. It did not organise a “perarakan” when one UMNO member killed in Penang way back in 1960s.

            It agreed to mind boggling massive citizenship exercise on scale unheard and until today unmatched. It allows separate schools when no other countries tolerate it.

            It is willing to put an Indian as Speaker of DUN Perak when 30 out 31 seat won BN are won by UMNO.

            Chinese tsunami is a fact. Nothing to be embarrased about it. Everything was counted for for a perfect recipe and timing for the fall of UMNO. Except the very elephant in the room.

            1. re: “Chinese tsunami is a fact.”

              Without the collusion of the MCA, how could the Chinese tsunami have happened?

              1. ‘Chinese tsunami BS’

                Despite your tireless piece by piece rebuttal that it did, some cendiakawan simply brush it off with a one liner!

                I wonder how he thinks about you Helen, the proprietor of BS maybe…

            2. Shamsul,

              While I think the complicity of the Non Malays have been to the detriment to the Malay community, I do not think that you could characterize UMNO treatment of race relations wrt to the Non Malays as “superb”.

              It is pointless pointing to tokenism from either alliance as some sort of magnanimity on the part of dominant ethnic groups.

              Granting citizenships on such a massive scale points more to the realipolitik of the times but what is more important is the nature of that citizenship.

              If America is a country built by immigrants then I would argue that the same applies here and this is to take nothing away from the Malay community whose history has been distorted by those who wish to propagate a myopic narrative.

              Chinese tsunami is UMNO propaganda which is different from saying that the Chinese abandoned UMNO. Like I have argued on another thread, it is only a tsunami if UMNO cannot maintain power without the Chinese. Since they can, the issue is moot.

          2. Conrad

            Quote: “So while in the American context, the discourse is not as race blind as some would have us believe…”

            Agree. Ironically after the ascension of Obama to the highest office, the issue of race has been more prevalent than ever before in the ‘politically correct’ US.

            The beneficiary of such race politics had no doubt open doors for young minority like Marco Rubio ,deemed the best answer to a black Obama, from the Republican party. In the conservative Rep party, such a fast rise to the top by a non-white is unheard of. I do suspect it has to do with the rising Hispanic population that is even higher than the African American’s.

            One distinctive and crucial difference between the minorities in the States vs Malaysia, is the healthy population growth of their minorities that would set to overtake the White population in 30 years.

            http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-18/minorities-overtake-whites-in-us-births/4018736

            Compare that with the rapid declining growth of our Indians and Chinese, the advantage in numbers are lost.

            Judging by the large number of Indonesians here, the Malays have more to worry about them than the Chinese or Indians. But then, most Indonesians are Muslims, that sort of pacify their (Malays) anxiety. In the long run, I don’t know if it will have any lasting impact on the socio-cultural aspect and balance of the local Malays.

            1. HH,

              Agreed.

              In the end the Non Malays will lose the numbers game. But the question is, will there be enough “Malays” in the “authentic” sense for them to enjoy the victory ?

              Good call on pointing out Rubio and the GOP wrt to the Hispanic community.

          3. If you look closely, Mahathir has a condescending view of the Malays. He would like them to be the proverbial buffalo with the nose ring being led around by him and perpetually obedient and subservient.

            At the same time he would pitch Malays against Indian and Chinese while his cronies from the UMNO, MCA, and MIC enrich themselves behind our backs.

            1. ‘his cronies from the UMNO, MCA, and MIC enrich themselves behind our backs.’

              This is fair.

              DAP, PKR and PAS pun ada kroni yang ‘enrich themselves behind our backs’ la brader.

              Fair la sikit!

            2. Re. Mahathir has a condescending view of the Malays. He would like them to be the proverbial buffalo with the nose ring being led around by him and perpetually obedient and subservient.

              And what is LIM KIT SIANG to Cina DAP. [***]

              That’s the analogy to me…..(fill in the blank)

          4. Re:What we are left with is his contention that Malays are too dumb to make an argument.

            This is Conrad’s deduction from Dr M innocuous yet accurate observation. I don’t want to make generalizations, but you can sometimes tell the race of a commenter based on the comments he or she makes.

            It would come as no surprised to me if Conrad heard Dr M point out that Malays are not industrious enough, he would accuse Dr M of saying Malays are lazy.

            1. His (Mahathir’s) observations are neither innocuous nor accurate because it dismisses the reality of the Malay polychromatic opposition to first the Colonial powers and then the various UMNO regimes. What he did characterize is what he believes the UMNO demographic is.

              I find it odd that you do not want to make generalizations but have no problem making 1) implications about my race and 2) agreeing with the generalizations of Mahahthir wrt to the inability of the Malays to form coherent arguments.

              Mahahtir has more or less said that Malays are lazy and susceptible to corrupt practises, so there would be very little for me to interpret. You however would probably think these observations accurate and innocuous.

            2. Malays are too honest to the extent that Tun M, himself at certain juncture had failed to understand, being a head of his time and all, does not help either. Well not everybody, Malays or otherwise had been made a medical doctor then. Of course his honest take would be conveniently being bandied as otherwise simply to score some points on him, and on the Malays.

              What kind of people are they? Helen seems to know them very well indeed.

        3. HH,

          What? “… the encore of May 13…”

          That is not a threat. rather a reminder that if we are not careful, another May 13 is very possible.

          It is called “responsibility”. Like when you see your 5 year old son playing with a “cigarrete lighter”. You would take it away . No point acting if a house already burnt down because of a child playing with matches.

          But Malays do talk about May 13. As i said earlier, I used to stay in Kg Baru. and I used to heard “haji and lebais” talking as they witnesses the carnage. They did tell me they saw Kit siang provoking the Malays. One of them said someone inside a lorry spat on him . And they told me too that unruly mob tried to chase household of MB of Selangor(Datuk Harun) to vacate his residence.

          Never ,mind. I understand reality is very painful. So, I am not surprise at your reaction. Quite difficult to imagine DAP played racial card that resulted in carnage.

          As for Chinese not voting BN, every Malays know that. But the feeling is mutual. So, if UMNO wants to lose seats, try giving MCA to contest in Malay areas in next election.

          But Malays accept the reality that genuine partnership with Chinese in politics is impossible unless Malays are willing to be “kucing kurap”.

          But we are not that worried. After all, minus total rejection of Chinese, BN still rules the land.

          1. Kit Siang should have just mengaku his mistake. Everyone made mistake. Mengaku and get over with it. It was done during his teen. He was naive, and perhaps he had meant well. Just like Namewee being bandied to all of us by CSL dulu.

            But maybe it is too much to ask now, since DAP had sedar that having the Melayus, out of the picture aka asked to balik kampung, for them to run the country is just seems impossible.

            More so, especially after the Chinese Tsunami staring them at the face with UMNO being around, alive and kicking!

            1. Re. Kit Siang should have just mengaku his mistake

              Have you heard/read/story about about IBLIS and SYAITAN?

        4. Do not forget the Sabah and Sarawakian Iban, Kadazan, and Bumiputera Christians who make up three-fifths of Christians in Malaysia. An interesting fact

          1. The opposition came up with catchy slogans ‘Ubah, Ini kalilah and ABU’ and yet they failed to take over the reign of the country. I’m very sure the opposition leaders as well as their supporters were so confident of dethroning UMNO but their hopes were dashed in the early morning of 506. The icing of the cake was when Utusan came up with its own catchy headline “Apa Lagi Cina Mahu?” following PM’s declaration of Chinese tsunami.

            I was in Malaysia during that period and was staying with my elder sister and her husband at their home in Mutiara Damansara. We stayed up till 5:00 am to watch the poll results. At first I was saddened that we did not get 2/3 majority but was relieved to know that UMNO by itself had managed to garner 88 parliamentary seats out of 120 seats it contested. PKR and PAS did not fare well but DAP had gained significant ground. This means that the majority Malays (urban and rural) did not support the opposition and more than 90% Chinese had voted for the opposition parties especially DAP. It was reported that a large number of Malays did not vote. After Chinese tsunami, many Malays have awakened from their slumber and have realized that the minority will rule over the majority if they (the Malays) were to continue with their ‘tidak apa’ attitude. With this awakening of the Malays, UMNO and its component parties in East Malaysia will again attain its 2/3 majority in GE 14, InshaAllah!

            1. Re. With this awakening of the Malays, UMNO and its component parties in East Malaysia will again attain its 2/3 majority in GE 14, InshaAllah!

              “LAGI KURANG AJAR DAN BIADAP” they will see the rise of more RADICAL MUSLIM instead of Ultra Malay.

              “PADAN MUKA” Najib is the Cina DAP last hope in all this. Anyone PM under Islam/Malay/UMNO/BN after his will have this in his DNA.

              i. Strong religious background
              ii. Ultra Malay
              iii. Another clone on Tun M in term of character

              I have seen these traits in a few next in line. Why do you think the Cina DAP is all gung ho over KJ?

                  1. It’s fine as it is :)

                    Whatever language we use, the Chinese backing DAP still can’t get the message.

              1. ‘I have seen these traits in a few next in line. Why do you think the Cina DAP is all gung ho over KJ?’

                Hehe…

                And why they are betting Najib to ‘unite’ with Anwar…

                http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/sideviews/article/pakatan-unity-talks-may-offer-a-safe-deposit-for-najibs-prime-ministership

                What more when this is happening

                http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/rencana/article/pertemuan-mirip-ug-pemuda-pas-isma-bincang-politik-melayu-islam-zainulfaqar

            2. “With this awakening of the Malays, UMNO and its component parties in East Malaysia will again attain its 2/3 majority in GE 14, InshaAllah!”

              I heard this phrase being uttered before GE13. They were confident Barisan Nasional will regain their two thirds majority, the Indians have known their place and returned to Barisan Nasional, Selangor and Kelantan would be recaptured. Mahathir has endorsed Najib, unlike with Badawi so Barisan Nasional will get more votes.. Ibrahim Ali would keep Pasir Mas and Zulkifli Noordin will defeat Khalid Samad.

              This was not the case. Barisan Nasional actually lost more Parliament seats and a larger percent of the popular vote.

              1. In 2004, Barisan got 198 seats

                In 2008, Barisan got 140 seats

                In 2013, Barisan got 133 seats

                So Pak Lah in GE12 lost BN 58 seats.

                Najib in GE13 lost BN only 7 seats.

                Considering the overwhelming tide of the Chinese tsunami, losing 7 seats ain’t all that bad. Plus Umno itself recovered.

                MCA handed victory to the DAP by, among other things, allowing its media conglomerate to campaign for the oppo.

                1. The Barisan Nasional’s main goal was to recapture their two thirds. That is why lots of effort and money was poured into Kelantan, Penang, Selangor Barisan war machines. Consultants were hired and UMNO even had a fancy ‘war room’ with costly strategists. It did not work.

                  That is why now there are UMNO factions blaming Najib and Khairy for the defeat, which I find hilarious. When the opposition were against Najib, they were labelled as “subversives”, “communists”, “ingrates”, and other names. Now these very same people are unconsciously eating their words as they plot against Najib. Like the phrase “Meludah ke langit”.

                  1. There is a different.

                    You wanted to overthrow Najib at all cost. Good or Bad, Najib is out. Kit Siang is in.

                    Whereas we wanted to overthrow Najib for his flip flop. Good, we would have keep him. Bad, you guys can have him. Muhyiddin is in.

          2. AD-DC

            Looking at the behaviour of CINA DAP here in Semenanjung, do you think the bumiputera in Sabah and Serawak will give face to the Chinese?

            i. Brunei had learned over the Malaysia Malay-Sino experience hence the resulting of Stateless Chinese of Brunei after their independence in the early 80’s. This is a great lesson to all natives in Borneo.

            ii. PRK Serawak in 2012 had shown the Bumiputera in Serawak that all Chinese Dominated area are control by DAP. This is followed by PRU13.

            1. “Looking at the behaviour of CINA DAP here in Semenanjung, do you think the bumiputera in Sabah and Serawak will give face to the Chinese?”

              Look at the Sabah State Assembly before and after the 13th Election.

              Before:
              BN: 57
              Opposition (Pakatan and third party): 3

              After:48
              BN: 57
              Opposition (Pakatan and third party): 12

              Out of those 12, the majority are Sabahan Bumiputeras.

              Another thing is the East Malaysian component parties in Barisan Nasional now realise is they can press the Malayan parties for more attention. UMNO knows its power depends on East Malaysian components.

              1. The Christian and Cina DAP are considered done to UMNO. We are not going to harp on it over and over again. The next round will Muslim/Malay/UMNO Tsunami.

                Without the MALAY DAP is nothing, they can only dream of taking over Putra Jaya. Let it be known that “orang-orang Melayu sudah mula menanamkan semangat KEBENCIAN PADA CINA DAP dalam diri anak-anak mereka” after PRU13.

                Why do you think that Mama Dapster, OKM plus few others are going Muslim-Malay-Centric mission these days?

  9. Reply to Helen’s # 34

    Re:”Umno however is a party with such a huge membership, and not to mention the spouses and children. Hence many Malays cannot but feel slighted (terasa).”

    Noted.

    Yes, I missed the collateral damage aspect of the rhetoric from the Oppositional side.

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