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Can Khairy replace Anwar as Pakatan figurehead?

First let’s look at Khairy Jamaluddin’s avowed ambition.

The urban legend is that he wants to be Prime Minister by age 40.

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Now let’s look at who is shilling for KJ to be PM.

Tweet below: The J-Star columnist Karim Raslan’s wet dream puts Khairykj as one of “the two smartest guys in Msian pols … has to be PM”.

More from Karim: ‘Khairy now a polished gem‘ (The J-Star, 27 Aug 2013): “Only Rafizi Ramli … can match him blow for blow – intellectually and politically.”

Below is Karim’s photo. The intellectualism has obviously rubbed off between the two limau nipis minum teh partners.

Karim Raslan and Hannah Yeoh

And more from The J-Star most recently:

His strong point is his pull with the youths aged 21 to 30 of all races, especially with the Malay majority.

“Surveys have shown that nearly 54% of youths voted for Barisan Nasional. The fact that Khairy was made Youth and Sports minister shows his work is cut out for him: to increase the proportion of these voters for BN.”

(‘Khairy, the comeback kid‘, The J-Star, 21 Aug 2013)

The audacious claim made by The J-Star on KJ’s behalf is that it was he who succeeded in pulling the youth vote for the BN. This claim is most debatable.

Umno must be pressed to release the BN postmortem so that we can be reliably informed.

Unless we are given the hard data, we cannot be faulted for conjecturing that Khairy’s Scissorati-aided efforts may serve to increase the proportion of young voters for the Pakatan camp instead.

Twitter KarimRaslan interesting fact

Screenshot above: Karim tweeted the BN’s loss of the popular vote, adding that the Selangor and Penang electorate are “more pro-PR” because both the states have “good government”.

His fellow J-Star columnist Syahredzan Johan responded that “the ground sentiments against the BN that many felt was accurate”.

These Pakatan cheerleaders are the tukang ceritas given a prominent platform by the MCA-owned media conglomerate.

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Where we’re headed

It’s too early to tell how the votes will pan out in GE14, which could well turn out to be a Mother of All Battles that will go down to the wire.

The momentum is for Umno (+ PBB +the Sabah & Sarawak native parties) to take the lead in the Bumiputera Muslim vote count.

Pakatan will monopolize the Chinese and Christian votes.

The vote of the rest of the small minorities is up for grabs.

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Learning from Obama lesson

Dr Mahathir Mohamad has warned many times about the pitfalls of the split in Malay votes.

We can see what he has cautioned played out in the American presidential election.

The white challenger Mitt Romney got 6 out of 10 white votes. Barack Obama got 4 out of 10 white votes but managed to sapu bersih the black votes (some exit polls gave him up to 97% of the black women votes).

Bottomline: The Republican party has the support of the majority race (whites) but their candidate Mitt Romney failed to take the White House.

Our parallel with the American experience is how the Hispanic, Asian and other minority interest groups (gays, single mothers, etc) successfully carried the Democratic incumbent across the finish line first.

So will it be Umno or will it be the DAP juggernaut that will collect enough “dan lain-lain” support to attain the winning edge?

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Vote of the religious minorities

What if through defections (like Anwar Ibrahim’s ‘Sept 16’ plan), through backroom deals and through horsetrading, Pakatan manages to pip BN to the winning post?

Bearing the Obama success in mind, the lain-lain votes could make or break should it come to a close call.

At the moment, the BN is faring poorly among the minorities. Earlier in this article, I said that the opposition have got the Christian votes in hand.

Christianity is the second most powerful religion in Malaysia.

But how about the Buddhist, Hindu, Sikh and other minority (animist, traditional faith beliefs, Syiah) votes?

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Umno taking the hardline

Zahid Hamidi revoked the permanent residence privilege of the resort operator-cum-manager who had allowed his surau in Johor to be used by a Buddhist group for their meditation. The Home Minister had the man (PR holder) remanded 4 days and investigated by the police.

The Sedili surau has since been demolished.

Some Muslims are not happy because they view the presence of other religion groups in the surau as defiling it. But what is the reaction of these same Muslims when the place of worship belonging to other religions are disrespected?

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File picture: Sepang council destroys shrine

Hindu temple disturbed

In the news today is a 101-year-old Hindu temple in Jalan P. Ramlee, Kuala Lumpur.

Yesterday, there was some high drama as a group of Indian politicians including MIC Youth chief T. Mohan, MIC Federal Territories Youth chief D. Tharmakumaran and PKR human rights and legal bureau deputy chairman S. Jayathas were arrested for hindering the “work” of Kuala Lumpur City Hall (DBKL) enforcement officers.

It’s a complicated story involving a land dispute between the temple committee and a developer, the Hap Seng construction company.

The upshot of it was that the DBKL “removed” statues of the Hindu deities amidst claims and counter claims that a portion of the temple was squatting on state land, and on the other hand that the seizure was done without a proper court order.

FT authorities are playing down the incident and doing damage control. Needless to say, the DBKL men were reportedly far more disrespectful in the Hindu temple than the Singapore Buddhists were in the Sedili surau.

Please google “Muneswarar” (temple), time bracket “1 Sept 2013” for details.

The photo above illustrates a previous encounter with the Sepang municipal council that left a Hindu shrine destroyed.

Although the Sepang photo is unrelated to yesterday’s DBKL entanglement in Bukit Bintang, it nonetheless does explain why the Hindus were upset enough by the spate of temple demotions, which occurred under Badawi’s watch in 2006-2007, so much so that the Indian tidal wave of 2008 washed away 58 seats from the BN in GE12.

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Spot DAP’s Ong Kian Ming in his chameleon skin

Khairy the Chameleon

I’ve previously mentioned before the actions of Umno in relation to “slash and burn” (a phrase which I picked up from a commentator in this blog).

The race and religion hardline adopted by a leading faction in Umno and their supporters will lose BN the lain-lain support.

Umno coming across as ultra may just allow Pakatan to pick up the pieces and enough to scrape through to victory.

The DAP is assiduously doing their jelajah masjid in order to woo the Malay-Muslim votes.

Hannah Yeoh and Ong Kian Ming are examples of the biawak-like evangelista donning another religious skin.

Now ask yourself why the J-Star evangelista is now backing Khairy?

Supposing the results of GE14 throws up a Perak 2008 scenario? If Anwar by then is no longer in the the picture, which other Malay politicians do you think might be approached to front the Chinese-dominated opposition whom are uncomfortable with PAS as PM?

Stepping into Anwar’s shoes

If the DAP Chinese evangelistas can pull the Muslim chameleon act, why not a Malay politician make himself acceptable to the non-Muslim religions?

And you know who is Anwar the Second in the making.

Zahid Hamidi, Zul Noordin and others in their time zone only appeal to the Umno hardliners. Umno will be like the Republican Party in the US losing to their opponent who can better fish the minority vote.

So if we’re talking about the cobbling together of a rainbow coalition government across the aisles, can you imagine Khairy in the Pakatan framework? Endless possibilities, eh?

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66 thoughts on “Can Khairy replace Anwar as Pakatan figurehead?

  1. From R lee and OKM twitter

    Regina Lee ‏@reginalah 31 Aug Wow. LDP’s V K Liew sacks 23 supreme council members from posts including deputy president http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2013/08/31/LDP-liew-sacks-23-sup-cncl-mbrs.aspx?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    Ong Kian Ming ‏@imokman 31 Aug @reginalah u planning to watch #TandaPutera?Details from Puchong, Petaling

    Regina Lee ‏@reginalah 31 Aug @imokman No time for movies unfortunately.

    1. Pemuda UMNO mesti baca ni pembantu Khairy dgn DAP geng kamceng..ma..
      tak kan tak tahu bace twitter..?

  2. Look at this article. PAS Youth questions Anwar’s dialogue with BN proposal

    “We are advising Anwar to be careful with any of the enemies’ political games. Our concern is that he can get trapped…by individuals or groups with vested interests,” said PAS Youth vice- chief Raja Ahmad Iskandar (right) in a statement.

    Raja Ahmad also pointed out that Anwar had made that statement without even consulting his Pakatan Rakyat partners through the Pakatan presidential council.

    http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/239977

    Q: Is there such thing as a Pakatan council which is law bound like BN? Even after 2 GEs, there is no attempt to register Pakatan with a proper logo and secretariat like BN. Even the bird logo is not one you see at any bi election.

    Why is Anwar now busy “sleeping with the enemy” that slandered him countless times? Such irony.

    Guan Eng: ‘Tanda Putera’ a sheer waste of funds
    http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2013/09/02/Guan-Eng-Tanda-Putera-a-sheer-waste-of-funds.aspx

    “The DAP secretary-general claim-ed that the government-funded movie had been used as a tool to “malign and demonise” the entire Chinese community.”

    Question: With the same logic wouldn’t New Village be one flim that demonises the Chinese as whole too. The New Village would be incubators for communists, isn’t it?

    Same logic.

    1. About time LGE shut his mouth and start working.

      All these riots involving Chinese worldwide show similar patterns, Malaysia included. No need to waste your time trying to twist and turn, about time you people heed your call to… UBAH… Mana saja pigi banyak kasi kacau sama orang tempatan. Google if I am talking nonsense here.

      UBAH kepala Otak kamu semua dulu and help make this world a better place for all human beings to live in, Malaysia included. Apa susah sangat ke?

      KJ pun sama. Tak kisah cerdik handsome or whatever, better make sure you bring in results to those 21yr – 40yr olds.

      Apa guna you being put up there however majority of this age group earning the minimun wage of RM900? RM900?

      Apa guna being a leader of young men forced to eat Maggie Mee and air sirup everyday to survive? Give yr personal guarantee before GE14, at least 50% of these unfortunate men can earn at least RM3K. Itu quality punya leader la we are looking for!

      1. As for Regina, stop gedik2 non stop tweeting nonsense.

        Nanti KJ terkentut awak rakam biar semua rakyat dengar bunyi macam mana, boleh tak? Majority 20yr old – 40yrs old are Malay Muslims. Belajar sikit tatasusila cara dan adat orang Islam if you are representing KJ. Jangan kasi jatuh maruah anak2 muda kami OKAY!

  3. Look at this link to Amazon Japan.

    Strange isn’t it. Wouldn’t this flim Empire of the Sun demonise all Japanese people today? Why is it not banned in Japan?

    Here is another shopping tip from Amazon Germany.

    Aren’t the Germans embarassed and demonised by this flim by Steven Speilberg? Yet you can order from Amazon Germany.

    1. When I was young, one of my favourite tv series was COMBAT, which starred my favourite hero Sgt Vic Morrow. I forgot the late actor’s real name.

      Initially it was a joy to see the Americans GI beat the crap out of the German army. But as I grew up, I was beginning to feel that it’s unbelieveable that the German armies were that stupid as portrayed in that tv series. Later I found out that the tv series were created by the Jew-controlled Hollywood producers in a bid to seek revenge against the Germans for what the Germans did to their fellow Jews during WW2.

      Many other movies of the same genre and bias were produced by Hollywood producers until in the 1970’s. Only after the 70’s did the producers made movies about the WW2 that were more balanced to both warring parties.

      But, my gut feeling of the ASTRO’s ‘HISTORY’ channel is that it is a continuing propaganda by the Jews controlled media to ensure that people will not going to forget the Holocaust. The documentaries shown in that channel would always have some elements of Holocaust history.

      I totally agree with Dr M assessment that Jews rule the world by proxy.

    2. I’ve watched ‘Schindler’s List ‘ and it was a very good movie. I think it was banned in Malaysia because of front and rear views of naked bodies of men and women. The director, Steven Spielberg did not agree with the cencorship of those scenes as, according to him, it was a vital part of the movie where it showed the Jews were ordered to strip down as soon as they reached the concentration camp before being herded into the gas chamber (actually it was a big shower room and the Jews were tricked into believing that they were in there for a shower).

      I love watching WW2 movies especially if it involves the Nazis and the Jews. Some are very moving and made you teary-eyed as in ‘The Diary of Anne Frank’. (I read the book when I was in Form 3).

      The Jews were badly treated by the Nazis and millions of them had died in WW2. Ironically the mistreatments of the Palestinians by the Jews today prove that the Jews apparently have not learned the lessons of the holocausts. However, there are also good Jews. My husband’s Jewish friends strongly believe that the state Israel belongs to the Palestinians and some of them donate money regularly for the Palestinian cause.

      I will watch ‘Empire of The Sun’ if it is available on Netflix. Thanks Mulan!

  4. i believed that kj is new anwar ibrahim. in a war you put your trooper in your enemy kingdom and made them as the king adviser. history repeated and we never learn.

    i read chinese kingdom, korean, mongolia, arab,and rome. the enemy will plant a women, actress, adviser, singer, wife, relatives, doctor, maid, cook, sweeper, dayang in the king palace. they will show their card and true colour when the time is right.

    one of potential enemy trooper is kj.

    kj appoint vagi lee to be his adviser. one day maybe this adviser will make najip or khairy kingdom destroyed by this so call adviser.

    you can see how pak lah destroyed his kingdom by making kj his adviser. maybe same thing happen that najip appointed idris jala n omar ong to be his adviser. this trooper will bring najip kingdom soon. time will come najib and kj adviser will show their true colour.

    1. One major difference between KJ and Anwar; KJ no longer has the big cable to ensure his political survival in UMNO. Anwar had Dr M as the ‘fooled’ strong-backer in UMNO last time, a blunder Dr M has regretted for the rest of his life, I think.

  5. “The race and religion hardline adopted by a leading faction in Umno and their supporters will lose BN the lain-lain support.”

    This is doubtless true.

    But the second consequence is that many Malays are also seeing through the sheer misuse of religion as a political tool by UMNO. It is in fact, in my view, among the main reasons why there was a significant shift away from BN among urban Malays.

    The blatant hypocrisy of UMNO supporters is best encapsulated in this confused diatribe that appeared recently on a blog:

    *****WARNING: OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE*****

    “”Salam Raya Aidilfitri. Insyaallah, you and family be showered with His good blessings always.

    Dogs : as Jakim has reaffirmed that Ahli Sunnah wal Jamaah is the official and only acceptable mazhab in Malaysia then they should not be hypocrites.

    As all ASWJ ( as do the Shia) unequivocally accept that dogs are najasat , and najasat cannot be associated with all things sacred to Islam, the doggie lover must be prosecuted and punished for insulting Islam no questions about that.

    Also those who spoke or attributed lies to the Syariah namely Mohd Asri, Anwar Ibrahim and the ignorant Hanafi preacher. They should be punished for demeaning Islam, period. No questions asked.

    Alvivi : very obvious open and shut case of demeaning Islam which is automatically seditious. The same applies to Namewee but will there be action. I doubt that from the wimps we have now.

    Abdullah Badawi: Awakening is apt. He is after all the ultimate sleeper and for him to write his awakening from a long sleep is simply great for science. And when you have been through a comatose sleep like his, not only will one find that one is four years late to reality but also that any recall of a comatose memory will be a garbled hodgepodge of imaginary incidents, deluded rantings, schizoid reflections and demented observations. So you should excuse Mr Awakened for his crackpot shit.

    Awakening also aptly alludes to his awakened cock. Yeah the same filthy crumpled pecker that was also comatose until stirred into action by the sight of Jean. So I guess that Awakening is also referring to sexual awakening, you know the type where the little boy in a dirty old man gets all so frisky, perky and pesky. It’s the Second Cumming of his cock that Badawi the Bedouin is talking about, its resurrection after having his lust crucified by breast cancer.Whatever bread and wine he dines on, his public masturbation of his filthy thoughts bespeaks lowly of the scum: one whose limp meager ejaculate aptly sums up his weak cockmuscles in more ways than one and explains why we are now 10 years in the wilderness. And guess who will be launching his book in Singapork? Why a brainless ugly looking she-man of a slut. As they say, birds of a feather flock together.

    This is one bastard Malaiyoo whose grave I promise to pee on, insyaallah. A shameless arselicking, cocksuckling, throatfucked wimp whose abject performance can only be topped by another pondan, his hand picked successor at that!”

    ****ENDS*****

    So, this guy sees no difficulty in using the various “controversies” to underline his Islamic credibility, and then in the next breath to say, “this is one bastard Malaiyoo whose grave I promise to pee on, insyaallah.”

    Of course this is very crude, but in subtler forms it’s by no means rare. Increasingly, however, Malay voters want to see Islam treated with sincerity and respect, and for those who invoke its name to live up to its teachings.

    The greatest failure to do so, at least for now, is on the BN side of the divide. KJ can make a great leap forward in his own personal leadership by reversing this trend – by calling for the politics of race and religion to be halted.

    Can he be an agent of change even within BN? That is the question.

    Sadly, I fear he has powerful opponents there. And thus, a switch to PR may not be unthinkable for him.

      1. Ah, you may or may not be right, no comment *wink wink*

        Still, I do discern a lot of repulsion among the Malay community caused by UMNO simultaneously using the name of Islam and then flagrantly abusing its precepts.

        Lying, intolerance, cheating, self-aggrandisement, materialism, and perhaps worse – these are not Islamic values.

        I am not sure, given his background (western-educated and not “overtly” Muslim) whether KJ is the man to reform this perception. But it’s not necessary to go so far. If he can just make UMNO seem less devious and corrupt, that will be an achievement already.

        My question: will he be allowed to?

        Will the senior leadership even listen?

        1. re: “If he can just make UMNO seem less devious and corrupt, that will be an achievement already.”

          Tasking KJ the job is like asking the fox to look after the chicken coop.

          1. KJ should just get used to the coop, because UMNO without the deviousness and corruption would be…errrr, I’m tempted to say PR, but the jury is out on that one. (With politicians you just choose the least bad, and UMNO Baru has a huge headstart on PR in the business of sucking Malaysia dry for devious, corrupt ends. Between a proven serial rapist (Umngokbaru) and a guy who looks a bit shifty from time to time (PR), most people would choose the latter.)

            Erm, or emigrate if I tak suka, sorry Datuk Zahid, forgot lah. I have a third choice, whoopee!

            So my prognosis is that KJ will continue with the rotten eggs inside the UMNO coop, turning (even further) into one himself. I would prefer either Rafizi or Nurul (a.k.a. the “brainless ugly looking she-man of a slut” as our inarticulate “Islamic” hypocrite described her, above : ) to rise through the ranks and one day lead this nation***.

            (***If there’s a nation left to lead after UMNO Baru has done with it.)

  6. Helen,
    I am not doubting your analysis but would like to clarify on few things

    1. KJ is a very ambitious politician- want to be PM by 40.

    My Q: Is there anything wrong with being ambitious in your career?

    2. KJ/DAP is wooing votes from other ethnicity other than theirs. DAP wooing Malays and KJ trying to make himself appeal to the non Malays.

    My Q : Anything wrong with that either? Or you are suggesting that Malay only woo Malays, Chinese only woo Chinese and so forth? Don’t talk about keikhlasan. Asking politicians to be sincere is the same like asking pig to fly.

    3. KJ is being praised by people whom you accused as pro DAP.

    My Q: Are you suggesting that UMNO should give KJ the boot? Won’t it make less one person in UMNO who can appeal to minority? And by that, you want UMNO to lose or win next GE?

    Don’t go hard on me on this. I am just trying to analyze what you really want actually. Time changes you see, and sticking up to the old ways is like insisting people to use horse cart when others are using bullet train. If you want to blame anyone, blame whoever that invented Internet.

    1. Your Q: “Is there anything wrong with being ambitious in your career?”

      Cakap serupa bikin. This applies to KJ’s media promoters in the opposition who slag Najib, Hisham and Mukhriz for trading on their family names when in fact KJ is a worse display of nepotism but they don’t/refuse call him to account for it.

      As long as we’ve established his over-weaning ambition, fine. Is he taking shortcuts to get to the top? Obviously yes. Remember that he was found guilty of money politics by Umno and only let off b’cos his father-in-law was the PM at the time.

      So how did a young upstart who does not come from tycoon family background albeit his father was a well-to-do government servant suddenly acquire so much money so fast? Kit Siang had mocked KJ as the world’s richest unemployed 28-year-old.

      In the ECM Libra transaction, the case was alleged to involve insider trading.

      The oppo people like to toot that they are anti-corruption. Khairy is a case where his own party disciplinary committee had found him to be guilty of money politics.

      Yet here they are promoting him now b’cos he speaks excellent English and like Anwar, jives with their Bangsar aspirations.

      Your Q: “Anything wrong with [KJ trying to make himself appeal to the non Malays]?”

      Read up Anwar’s history with the non-Malays in his early and mid-career, and then come back.

      Your Q: “KJ is being praised by people whom you accused as pro DAP. Are you suggesting that UMNO should give KJ the boot?”

      Read the other blogs particularly those in Malay. I don’t have to speak for the Umno people. You can google KJ’s name, time frame: ‘Past month’ and compare the J-Star‘s fawning coverage compared to the coverage in the Malay language.

      Your Q: “Won’t it make less one person in UMNO who can appeal to minority? And by that, you want UMNO to lose or win next GE?”

      I’m a latecomer to commenting on KJ. A significant number of Umno-ites are convinced that he will sink their party. Again you should do your homework and widen your reading, esp. of BM sources.

  7. The comments in this thread are all over the place but I will try to hone in on your question.

    KJ and Rafizi Ramli (henceforth the Cherub) are what I like to call post Mahathir Malay Elites. Both are contenders in a Malay political system predicated on retaining power through a complex system of patronage. Both are beneficiaries of an affirmative system that created a class of Malay elites of who our dear Karim Raslan is the pied piper of that class’s anomie.

    Both have to contend with issues of Malay identity, which is what happens when you are cut off from the vox populi of the ethnic group you claim to represent.

    While KJ immersed himself in the swamp of UMNO politics leveraging his unMalay mystique and his father in law’s benign neglect to amass influence and money, the Cherub rode on a way of populist sentiment fuelled by Non Malay frustration but harnessed by Malay realpolitik to emerge as the face of the “acceptable forward thinking Malay” much beloved by Pakatan partisans.

    Now as to the question,could KJ replace Anwar. If you mean is KJ capable of jumping ship and then working out a deal with the Cherub and other assorted PR minions for a shot at the Malaysian title, then yes, it is probable.

    If you mean could KJ replace Anwar in terms of populist appeal and sheer showmanship and muster enough support in UMNO for a shot to wear the Crown of Putrajaya ? Unlikely but you never know.

    Karim was stating the obvious, when he said where the middle ground goes, the Federal government goes. A far right take over of UMNO and the resulting fall out may just be the lucky break, which would make KJ, King Rat of Malaysia.

    1. re: “If you mean is KJ capable of jumping ship and then working out a deal with the Cherub and other assorted PR minions …”

      Yes, I believe he’s perfectly capable of jumping.

      re: “If you mean could KJ replace Anwar in terms of populist appeal and sheer showmanship and muster enough support in UMNO for a shot to wear the Crown of Putrajaya?”

      Jauh langit dari bumi. He’s not popular with Umno. He can be popular among the specie Iguana Eng, so if he’s to be a somebody major, it would be through some kind of deal with Pakatan.

      1. Re: “Jauh langit dari bumi. He’s not popular with Umno. He can be popular among the specie Iguana Eng, so if he’s to be a somebody major, it would be through some kind of deal with Pakatan”

        I dunno’ about that.

        If UMNO is taken over by the far right wing, which I believe would sound the death knell for UMNO and also would radicalize every other Malaysian in this country, the centrists in UMNO would be desperate and this quote by Alfred Pennyworth(The Dark Knight) best sums up the situation:

        You crossed the line first, sir. You squeezed them, you hammered them to the point of desperation. And in their desperation, they turned to a man they didn’t fully understand.

        1. re: “If UMNO is taken over by the far right wing”

          Possible.

          re: “sound the death knell for UMNO”

          Why should it? It would only sound the death knell for the Chinese and Indian BN parties.

          re: “and also would radicalize every other Malaysian in this country”

          Already.

          1. Re: “Why should it? ”

            Because UMNO has always managed to pull through with its centre right ethos.

            Re: “It would only sound the death knell for the Chinese and Indian BN parties”

            They are already comatose. Palanivel has decided that he should be president for life (ok just until 2016) and Sexy Chua has no idea what he is doing beyond responding to….stuff. Nobody certainly not the Indians and the Chinese or Malays care.

            Re: “Already”

            Not yet. As Mahathir says the Malays are split but it is still managable. If Sabah and Sarawak are radicalized like the some of the electorate in the Peninsular, that UMNO would really be in trouble.

    2. quote: “The comments in this thread are all over the place but I will try to hone in on your question.”

      About time. I’ve been waiting for your take. :)

      Really, I don’t have much thought on this except I have this penchant of rooting for the underdog. No matter how some would argue KJ is not exactly an underdog, I do see him as an outsider among the close knit feudalistic UMNO clique.

      1. HH,

        Thanks.

        I guess I am interested in the younger politicians because we are of the same age.

        I look back at some of the things our parents did when they were that age and frankly, in my opinion we* as a generation just don’t measure up.

        *Just speaking for myself here.

        1. Conrad

          Quote: I look back at some of the things our parents did when they were that age and frankly, in my opinion we* as a generation just don’t measure up.

          Ironically on this I feel differently. I am of the opinion the young generation has not fare too shabbily. The young ones are more intellectually matured and poltically aware. :)

          My only complain is they lack character, too lembut. Lol

          1. To add

            Conrad

            Seeing how you think and articulate your thoughts in words, you do remind me of somebody whom I had the honor of knowing a few years back over the web.

            2, actually.

            One I still keep tab on fb though he has left this country for another. Well, it’s probably for the best anyway.

            And the other, an extraordinary young man, but unfortunately gone all too soon.

            1. HH,

              Thanks for the kind words.

              I flamed out in a spectacular fashion some years back on internet discussions, so I do admire the way you handle the discourse around here and on Ellsese’s blog and Ktemoc’s place, if I am not mistaken.

              Cheers.

              1. Quote: “..so I do admire the way you handle the discourse around here and on Ellsese’s blog and Ktemoc’s place, if I am not mistaken”

                Wasn’t me. This is the only political blog I comment on. Except Jeff Ooi’s old blog but that was almost in another lifetime. :)

                1. Sorry brother, my mistake.

                  Heh, Jeff Ooi’s joint, you’re right that seems like another lifetime.

                  Does Rocky still have a blog :D

  8. the issues with hindu temple is tricky because many were built on state or the land of companies that employed Hindu workers in estate areas, because to the Hindus, once the structure is erected it effectively become holy land, even tying a yellow cloth around certain trees makes it a holy Hindu shrine. Hence whenever the land they are built on is to be developed, it became an emotional issue and a big headache to landowners.

    This is not comparable to the surau incident. While i am nonchalant about the issue, mainstream Muslims see it as offensive and the demolishhment, as unncessary as it may, is the state religious authority decision, done and finished.

    As much as I deplore that hindu temples are demolished, the law must be observed. I believe the govt through MIC and Hindraf could facilitate relocation.

  9. It is understandable hat third rate writers and nincampoop anglophile Karim Raslan and his ilk like Marina Mahathir likes KJ. They are typical anglophiles that detest the mainstream Malays.

    I bet both he and K, would sit in a corner during Raya and oggle unbelievably at their relatives that they are borned into the Malay race, loud chatty, gossipy, …both KJ and Karim are like RPK, who will eventually creep back to the Malays for dignity after they are disposed off by the DAPSters, [edited-deleted] KJ had to become a taxi driver and joined wataniah after the Bodohwi empire collapsed to mengampu.. of all people.. the grassroot Malays, after all that oxford education…

    im waiting for Karim’s turn. i have red his crappy Ceritalah books not good at all.

    1. Yup. Another crappy writer is Rehman Rashid – another wannabe Mat Saleh gelap who is ashamed of his Malay heritage but accepted a place at MCKK!

  10. It is widely said that there are more Hindu temples in Malaysia than there are suraus and mosques put together. Yet the Hindu population account for what must be less than 9% of the population. Whereas Muslim population must make up about 40% of the total Semenanjung populace. Why is there such a wide discrepancy?

    1. Because one yellow ribbon around a tree trunk and a miniature shelter in a rock crevice are also counted as Hindu “temples”.

      Why don’t the people who widely claim that there are more Hindu temples in Malaysia than there are suraus and mosques put together compile a directory as to their locations?

      I’m personally willing to check them out if the claimants are able to publish an addresses list itemizing the Hindu temples that exceed the number of suraus and mosques.

      1. Not sure that claim is true, or that it matters. I’ve read various comments elsewhere to the effect that had this been a surau, the sledgehammers and bulldozers would never have been sent in the first place, no matter what the legal ownership was. Probably true, and not something that as a Malaysian I’m particularly proud of.

        I actually know J. Anu (the artist embroiled in the “I” for “Idiot”painting case) personally, from a long ways back, so I feel for that guy as well. To go back to my original drift, what values of Islam do those who politicise it for their own ends, truly embrace?

        1. “I’ve read various comments elsewhere to the effect that had this been a surau, the sledgehammers and bulldozers would never have been sent in the first place, no matter what the legal ownership was.”

          The difference is, Muslims don’t just pacak their suraus and masjids anywhere they like. Hindu temples, shrine or sacred places can grow over time to encroach even private property, yet no one supposedly has the right to remove them.

          Whereas it doesn’t help that Hindu “temples” or sacred land can sometimes be something as simple as a hump on a tree that looks like Ganesh (there’s one in Damansara Heights near the primary school).

          There are a few that I have seen throughout my life that started out like that. And then, because it happened to be a vacant plot of land (never mind if it sits right next to a main road), was slowly built up over the years. First they erect a simple token. Then a proper statue. Then it gets cemented. Before you know it, 20 years later, the road cannot be widened because there is a temple building standing on Government land and which no permit had been applied for.

          So if something technically does not exist, should it not be a small matter for it to be “disappeared”?

          1. RE: “So if something technically does not exist, should it not be a small matter for it to be “disappeared”?

            Yes bro, I believe that’s the logic they used on Altantuya : )

      2. Wasn’t the surau eventually demolished because it violated some building code or another ? I mean if you want to demolish the surau because it was infected by another religion that demolish it but to give a fig leaf of building code violation? What’s that all about.

        1. re: “building code violation?”

          Thought it was due to royal decree by Sultan who is head of Islam on the ostensible reason that the kiblat was off.

      3. Re. Because one yellow ribbon around a tree trunk and a miniature shelter in a rock crevice are also counted as Hindu “temples”.

        I have talked about this before with Dato Senu Boy or something in other posting. It is a case of “sikit sikit lama lama jadi bukit” and that’s the end game. When it is already bigger and noticeable with many followers, it will become sensitive religious issue despite its illegal structure. It has been done for years actually. Same goes for the ” small red box”. Frankly around Bukit Ceylon alone I have noticed few of the red boxes and one in particular just outside and on the cliff of Istana Pahang.

        If you go to Sentul and the surrounding areas, the small Hindu temples are basically almost everywhere (at least it used to be), they are not that noticeable but they are there.

        1. Concede the point about the organic growth of the little Hindu shrines.

          Let’s go on a case-by-case basis then and use 1957 as the cut-off year. Give the older temples (above 60 years) a ‘permit’ and land.

          1. ‘Let’s go on a case-by-case basis then and use 1957 as the cut-off year. Give the older temples (above 60 years) a ‘permit’ and land.’

            Kalau macam ni semua bangunan haram kat tanah kerajaan atau persendirian akan minta hak ‘permit’ yang sama. Macam mana?

            Bagaimana pula dengan hak orang persendirian? Hap Seng contohnya?

            1. That’s where social responsibility comes in.

              Isn’t it a social responsibility to build a surau (to serve Muslim community needs) on whose ever land, even the private land belonging to the resort owner in Sedili, Johor?

              If the temple that passes the criteria is on tanah kerajaan, then I feel the gomen should give the land to the temple to serve the needs of the Indian community. After all, for the Malays there is tanah rizab and the concept of tanah wakaf.

              If the land is privately owned say by Sime Darby (or formerly the Guthrie or Golden Hope segments of the company), then the building of a temple should be part of the compensation package when the plantation workers are evicted and resettled en bloc.

              As for the Hap Seng case, the opposition are querying whether there is any irregularities behind the episode (happened when the statues of the Hindu gods were hammered from their base and removed by DBKL officers).

              (1) Just as the Muslims are sensitive about how a surau is used, so are Hindus sensitive about how their idols are treated. If the statues are to be removed, there must be the proper prayers and rituals. It’s also said that the priest conducting the ceremony to remove the idols must be vegetarian.

              But in the Bukit Bintang ruckus on Sunday morning, tidak. You had DBKL men who are not priests, not Hindus, not vegetarians, who didn’t take off their shoes, who had cigarettes in their mouths (this last complaint by the PKR politicians who held a press conference) simply seize the statues and causing some damage in the process of removal.

              (2) The disputed land is owned by the gomen. So why did DBKL take action to benefit a Chinese developer and construction company?

              1. Re:”(2) The disputed land is owned by the gomen. So why did DBKL take action to benefit a Chinese developer and construction company?”

                The same reason why they keep the stinking corpse of the MCA around ?

                  1. ‘(2) The disputed land is owned by the gomen. So why did DBKL take action to benefit a Chinese developer and construction company?’

                    Malay Dilemma. A Minister had to turun and deal with this..such is being a Melayu in Malaysia…Tunku, Tunku kalau dengar cakap Tun M kan tak jadi macam ni…

                    1. But it gave me an idea, to start a restaurant at any land in KL, prime land, sure tak kena kacau DBKL, taukan nak build apa, senang kerja…Prime Land tu!

    1. Karim Raslan = “Publicist” of KJ @ KItol Alaf Baru

      He is being paid to build, improve and sell the image of the already badly burnt “CEKODOK PENYEK” and it seems that he has started baking. .

      I have met one super stupid so called publicist before and this one is no different.

      Let’s see how he handles issues when the time comes……

  11. Ms H. The proposed canditate to head PKR is the ideal person who has the dynamism and the charisma – the 2 essential ingredients for political success. Well-done !

      1. Ms H. Round pegs for round holes. Square pegs for square holes from an independent and objective point of view.

      2. Ms H. The prospective candidate who wants to be PM at 40 has the job carved out for him/her at the very rich PKR which needs just fleshing out to complete the political animal. An en masse desertion from the Singaporean Trojan Horse DAP will give it Naional and International credibility and viability. You watch the fun.The pater et fil will be left holding the rump of the Horse. It makes a lot of sense. Otherwise, aspirants via the ye olde UMNO route to be PM face thickets of sworned warriors in ambush.

      3. Ms H. For any guy or gal who wants to be PM via the fastest route, it does not matter the cat is black or white as long as it catches the mouse. Acheh! This is a very serious approach. Hence, the PKR which has everything except one rich, charismatic and dynamic leader, is waiting for the right parachutist to drop in.

        Akan datang! In UMNO, there are so many tigers sitting on top of the mountain. This means the odds against success are more and much more expensive.

        1. Ms H. I forgot to add ‘holistic’ ( I copy ) to ‘except one rich, holistic, charismatic and dynamic leader.’

  12. Ms H. Whoever suggested that this guy be the head of PKR is a genius and should be rewarded handsomely.

    THIS IS THE WAY to go for any prospective candidate with money, charisma and dynamism to be the PM before 40. There will be en masse desertion from the Singaporean Trojan Horse DAP. Your erstwhile ‘friends’. To give more flesh to the Opposition which can only make our unique Malaysian Democracy more complete. This will not only liven up the Malaysian political scene but give it more oomph as well with a dose of Oxbridge medicine.

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