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Penggunaan kalimah Allah: MAIS dan JAIS kurang prihatin

Isu kalimah Allah akan didengar sekali lagi di Mahkamah Rayuan pada hari Selasa ini (10 Sept).

MCA bertegas orang Kristian berhak menggunakan kalimah Allah.

http://www.mca.org.my/en/press-statement-by-mca-central-committee-member-sdr-loh-seng-kok-deputy-chairman-of-mca-publicity-bureau-on-allah-term/
http://www.mca.org.my/en/press-statement-by-mca-central-committee-member-sdr-loh-seng-kok-deputy-chairman-of-mca-publicity-bureau-on-allah-term/

Hak orang Islam dicerobohi

Khutbah mimbar Jakim kepada sidang Jumaat 6 Sept 2013 adalah bertajuk  ‘Mempertahankan akidah  ummah‘.

Jabatan Kemajuan Islam Malaysia menegaskan bahawa muzakarah jawatankuasa Fatwa Majlis Kebangsaan sudah pernah membahaskan isu tuntutan penganut Kristian terhadap penggunaan kalimah Allah dalam bulan Mei 2008.

Mimbar mengingatkan jemaah bahawa muzakarah telah memutuskan yang lafaz Allah merupakan kalimah suci khusus bagi agama Islam dan oleh itu wajib bagi umat Islam menjaganya dengan cara yang terbaik.

Muzakarah juga berpendirian sekiranya terdapat unsur penyalahgunaan terhadap kalimah tersebut, maka ia perlu disekat mengikut peruntukan undang-undang yang sedia ada.

Gereja Allah Baik
Gereja Allah Baik

JakimAllah

Evangelis kata Muslim yang mudah konpius

Musuh-musuh Islam melakukan pelbagai usaha bagi menimbulkan kekeliruan. Mereka menyelewengkan resam sehingga timbul pandangan dan pentafsiran yang salah tentang agama Islam dan Allah itu sendiri, kata Jakim.

Allah tiada beranak, dan Ia pula tidak diperanakkan manakala orang Nasrani pula menyembah al-Masih anak Allah. Mimbar menggesa wajib ditangkis dakwaan yang salah tentang hakikat tuhan yang sebenarnya.

Seterusnya kariah diingatkan bahawa penyalahgunaan kalimah Allah SWT adalah satu ancaman kepada keagungan Islam dari segi sosial, syariah dan akidah. Lebih malang lagi, isu ini dipertikaikannya sehingga dibawa ke mahkamah.

Khutbah Jumaat itu yang disediakan oleh Jakim juga menegur sikap membenarkan sesiapa sahaja menggunakan kalimah Allah semata-mata untuk menunjukkan bahawa Islam meraikan agama lain.

HannahRumahAllah

Twitter hannahyeoh Do not confuse

House of God, Rumah Allah

“Contohnya, adakah kita sanggup mendengar golongan bukan Islam memanggil gereja, rumah ibadat dan rumah berhala mereka sebagai rumah Allah?, memanggil tuhan dan berhala mereka sebagai Allah?”, tanya mimbar.

“Bayangkan pula, apakah akidah generasi muda Islam jika fenomena ini berlaku di negara kita?. Sudah pastilah ramai yang akan keliru, terpesong dan berlakulah lautan murtad yang sedahsyat-dahsyatnya.”

Gereja ALLAH

Semua agama bukan sama

Mimbar turut memberi amaran tentang bahaya sikap yang terlalu terbuka sehingga membenarkan perkara-perkara yang melibatkan dasar akidah dan tauhid disalahguna oleh agama Kristian.

“Matlamat utama mereka menggunakan kalimah Allah adalah untuk mengelirukan umat Islam dan menyatakan bahawa semua agama adalah sama”, kata mimbar.

Allahitukasih

Dosa pempersekutukan Allah

Bagi mimbar, puak evangelis tidak boleh menterjemahkan perkataan God dalam bahasa Inggeris kepada kalimah Allah kerana ini membawa maksud Allah SWT merupakan “salah satu daripada tiga tuhan”. Kesalahan ini syirik besar.

Mimbar menyatakan kekecewaan terhadap segelintir orang Islam yang masih menganggap perbuatan ini “hanya isu kecil”. Bagi mimbar, pendekatan mereka adalah mengkhianati agama Islam.

Ong Kian Ming's stand on Allah
Ong Kian Ming kata Allah Kristian tidak akan mengelirukan Muslim
Ong Kian Ming says
Ong Kian Ming yakin akidah Muslim tidak akan tergugat

Lafaz Allah evangelista

Penggunaan kalimah Allah di khalayak umum berleluasa di kalangan evangelista DAP.

Di bawah ialah sebutan kalimah Allah dalam tweet-tweet yang dikeluarkan Ahli Parlimen DAP Serdang Ong Kian Ming.

Mengikut Seksyen 9, Enakmen Agama Bukan Islam (Kawalan Perkembangan Di Kalangan Orang Islam) 1988, orang bukan Islam di Selangor dilarang daripada menggunakan kalimah Allah.

Pesalah boleh dikenakan denda serta hukuman penjara (tapi MAIS dan JAIS malas pantau).

Ong Kian Ming (imokman) on Twitter

imokman@sybreon haha, Insya Allah

imokman @fendyhasni Insya-Allah

imokman @Haji_Tarbus Harap boleh, Insya-Allah

imokman@amiruddinfadzli kawasan Bangi

Ong Kian Ming (imokman) on Twitter 2013-07-12 10-08-49

Ahli Parlimen Kristian DAP Serdang
Ahli Parlimen sesumpah DAP Serdang

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105 thoughts on “Penggunaan kalimah Allah: MAIS dan JAIS kurang prihatin

  1. They use all sorts of names from A to Z. Even popular Swedish group (singers) has same name – ABBA! Goodness!.

  2. salam….

    hanya pendapat peribadi….sekira hanya org perseorangan yg menggunakan kalimah Allah contoh berborak sesama sendiri saya berdoa dan berharap Allah memberi hidayah kpd org tersebut..

    TAPI untuk terjemahan kitab bible dan untuk kegunaan paderi di dlm gereja atau berkumpulan dgn niat untuk menyebarkan kepercayaan mereka kpd bangsa /ugama lain walo pn bkn islam saya TENTANG…. saya mmg rasis dlm bab agama dan negara saya….

  3. Helen,

    I must say this is one of your best pieces thus far. I hope the non-Muslim readers who follow your blog will have a better understanding on this issue.

    The problem is how are we going to “AJAR” these sneaky dapsters?

    I am pretty sure OKM will start using “the term” Allah ( I am using the “term” for I know he is not referring to ALLAH that we Muslims worship) relentlessly after reading this in his new found column….

  4. Are the Muslims in this country that gullible as to confuse Christianity & Islam as one & the same? Unlikely, unless a case of collective amnesia happens where every Muslim in the immediate locality are affected.

    Correct me if I’m wrong but the usage of the term Allah by religions other than Islam was passed as law sometime in 1982 or thereabouts. However, the term was still used quite freely up until Syed Hamid Albar, for reasons best known to himself, decided to raise this issue when the Herald’s printing permit came up for renewal.

    It was an Allah sent opportunity for all who wanted to exploit the issue. The opposition leaning types found a cause to rally themselves behind. The Malay nationalists & Islamist did the same. So the issue rumbles on..

    I think there is no way the Catholic church can win this one, much as I want to believe the bench will be impartial. The government on the other hand has no choice but to challenge the decision passed down by Justice Lau on 31/12/09 as it would cause unhappiness among the Muslim community where their support is still formidable.

    Do I think the Christians really need the term? No, as the liturgy, or Catholics at least, is not really set in stone. Substituting a word for another shouldn’t be that difficult since Catholics worldwide started using the new translation of the Roman missal in Dec 2011, a major shake up of liturgy since the 60s.

    This is an issue that’s being played up by politicians who have vested interests. Even the clergy from the Catholic church are now being partisan, however neutral they claim themselves to be. As for Jakim, I think they really need to get out of their cocoons & be better Islam. Their sermons & actions are at times honestly jaw dropping, literally, for non Muslims like myself.

    Muslim & Christians in this country don’t need an issue to divide them. We just need the politicians to stop stirring shit causing us all to develop a siege mentality.

    —-

    Aside from the matter above, here’s another Anak Malaysia piece.

    http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/opinion/cass-shan/article/malaysia-has-failed-me

    What I found interesting is her claim that a kid has to choose one of his/her parent’s race if the kid is the result of a mixed marriage. Is that true? I thought the race is dictated by the paternal race?

    1. Jakim does not need to dance the way the non believer wants them to be. They are fine as they are except maybe the tidak apa & the bertolak ansur must definitely go.

      What is jaw dropping is when the kafirs want to teach us a thing or two about being a good Muslim.

      Its preposterous too!

      1. re: “the kafirs want to teach us a thing or two about being a good Muslim”

        Spot on!

        You (Muslim) guys must counter them, i.e. the Cina Kristian evangelis yang memandai-mandai nak bagi tunjuk ajar, more strongly ‘cos depa tu dah banyak lemak.

    2. Fuc..in’ Fake Calvin [I think you derserve this name calling]…..I don’t know if you are naive or dumb or simply one of those evil Christians. The principal aim of persistently wanting to use the name “Allah” is because the Christians want to deceive those gullible Muslims, devoid of knowledge and guidance, into believing that Muslims and Christians worship the same “god” but since life’s good as Christians i.e. there’se no rules to follow but in any event you’ll go to heaven, unlike in Islam where almost every good everything is haram, why not be christians? With goodies thrown in, those poor Muslims convert to Christianity in droves. This tactic works wonder in Indonesia and the christians want to achieve the same success here. “Langkah Mayat Kami Dulu”…RIP Karpal SIngh! [the kapal has finally sink. Allah killed him say said Zul Noordin. At first I felt he was being inappropriate but later I thought he was beigng apt]. This is what we Muslims want to prevent from happening.

      In non-Malay speaking countries they use the locals’ mother tongues. You should admit it that Christians employ deceits of the worst kinds to gain converts, including bribery. And the evangelists here claim to be the principal crusaders against corruption, when they are the most corrupt spiritually and morally..

      You said the catholics don’t need the name Allah but why are they fighting for it as though they are willing to pay with their lives and blood? And you are making unsavoury coments against the Islamic authorities over the issue! If you think it’s a non-issue, why don’t you offer your good advice to those hysterical comrades of yours. Don’t contradict yourself.

      Whether the Muslim politicians are being sincere and honest over the issue or not, we don’t care. Whether do do it for religion or politics, we don’t care either.

      You christians, though very small in number here, are being insolently most noisy and loud and PESKY! The christians are now the country’s biggest MENACE! We have not witnessed or encountered this scene, not ever, before. It really bodes severe ills for the nation.

      You don’t understand Islam or may be you are a part of the Christian conspiracy, that sermons prepared by JAKIM make your jaw drops (hey, pergi solat Jumaat & dengar khutbah tu ke?). Don’t demean JAKIM officials, they are doing good service for Islam & Muslims in this country, even though they are not without faults either. And you, please activate your brain first before you start writing.

      This country does not any issue that the divides Muslims & Christians who created and want to die for the issue. Well, we’ll grant you your wish!

      1. You can call me any profanities you fancy as I suppose that will probably make your day. I’m A-OK with that.

        I don’t fast in solidarity with my Muslim friends but I wish you a blessed Ramadan anyways. I hope I’m allowed to do that nowadays.

  5. Helen, in the post era after Muhammad Rasulullah many Muslims turning munafiq and committing apostate. This were group of people under the empire of Muslims staying in places far away from Mecca. Khalifah Abu Bakr has sent army under commander and fighter Ikramah ibnu Jahal to fight this crime. He successfully restored the situation by calling those people returning back to the true teaching of Islam. He also destroyed people who calling other muslims to commit murtad and against Islam and Khalifah.

    In this regard I feel Muslims in this country also have the right to form a battalion of soldiers to fight with people who is murtad, and to fight with people who calling other Muslims to commit murtad and against the muslims in malaysia.

    1. Pelik juga ye, rupa-rupanya masih ramai org Melayu Islam yg masih terkeliru, tidak heran lah kalau org bukan Islam akan jadi tidak faham-faham. Didalam bahasa Melayu perkataan “Hak” difahamkan sebagai satu kepentingan tetapi didalam bahasa Arab perkataan itu bererti yg BENAR.. Mmg benar kita semua Allah yg jadikan justeru itu kita semua milik Allah belaka.

      Sebenarnya semua penganut Keristian percaya bahawa TUHAN yg disebut didalam kitab Holy Bible King James version mereka itu ada ANAK. Pembaca semua bolih rujuk perkara ini dgn mana-mana org Keristian yg anda kenal. Tetapi didalam kitab Holy Bible mereka semenjak dahulu lagi TUHAN mereka ini tidak bernama. Tuan-tuan bolih rujuk perkara ini dgn mana-mana gereja Keristian dalam atau luar negara. Kitab Holy Bible mereka hanya menyebut FATHER atau LORD atau GOD sahaja, tetapi ini semua adalah ganti nama dan bukan nya nama-nama Tuhan.

      Apabila pihak gereja Katolik Malaysia atau CFM menuntut utk menggunakan kalimah Allah utk menggantikan perkataan FATHER atau LORD atau GOD sefaham kita maka Allah kini sudah ada anak la pulak. Secara warasnya pembaca Muslim bolih bersetuju ke bahawa Allah ada ANAK? Anda yg mengaku Muslim MAHU bersetuju ke dgn kehendak pihak gereja utk menggunakan kalimah itu utk Bible al kitab bahasa melayu mereka? Kalau anda semua bersetuju maka anda akan berhadapan dengan kemurkaan Allah sepertimana Firman Nya didalam Al Quran Surah Mariam ayat 88 – 92.

      88 “Dan mereka yang kafir berkata, Allah Al-Rahman mempunyai anak.
      89 Demi sesungguhnya kamu telah melakukan satu perkara yang besar salahnya.
      90 Langit nyaris-nyaris pecah disebabkan (anggapan mereka) yang demikian,
      dan bumi pula nyaris-nyaris terbelah dan gunung pula nyaris-nyaris runtuh ranap,
      91 “kerana mereka mendakwa/ mengatakan Allah Al-Rahman mempunyai anak.”
      92 Padahal tidaklah layak bagi Allah, Al-Rahman bahawa Dia mempunyai anak.

      Allah Ta’ala ternyata sangat2 murka dan utk makluman kita semua ayat ini telah lama wujud semenjak lebih 1400 tahun dahulu lagi. Waima ayat ini telah wujud lama sebelum mereka yg menuntut “HAK” penggunaan kalimah utk kitab Bible bahasa Melayu ini lahir ke dunia ini lagi taw! Tidak kah mereka terasa bahawa Allah sudah tahu semenjak awal lagi bahawa mereka akan cuba buat isu ttg kalimah Allah ? Sebab itu kita kata sesungguhnya Allah Maha Mengetahui ttg segala sesuatu ! Siapa kita untuk mengatakan tidak mengapa pihak gereja nak gunakan kalimah itu dgn fahaman mereka yg songsang lagi syirik itu? Kita tidak bersetuju bukan sebab kita berebut HAK sebenarnya. Kita sebenarnya sangat takot dgn dosa syirik sekiranya kita bersetuju didalam hati dgn permintaan gila pihak gereja katolik.

      Sekiranya tuan Matrojak rasa penerangan ini tidak menasabah sila-silalah perbetulkan ye.

  6. Selama ni x pernah pulak kan diorg sibuk nak pakai kalimah Allah ni..

    so apa org kristian dah salah sembah tuhan ke before this? before this it was totally fine to use ‘god’ ..’lord’ now nak pakai Allah pulak

    1. Kat us depa dok sibuk padam dulu. Kalau baca buku Ahmed Deedat dan rajin tengok debat dia pun kita akan perihal ni.

      Tapi kat Malaysia target market lain maa. So kena la guna BM. Walaupun toilet bowl BM, banyak dah mubaligh kristians cuba (walaupun terkial-kial) guna BM secara meluas. BM sudah ada harga sekarang. Tapi masalahnya terjemahan untuk BM ialah Tuhan bukan ALLAH.

      http://akarimomar.wordpress.com/2013/05/20/nama-tuhan-kristian-boleh-ditukar-tukar/

      Senang je, cuba tengok sini. Kalau tak faham jugak tak tau la apa nak dikato!

      Car= Kereta Bukan Proton
      Lord=Tuhan Bukan Allah

      http://akarimomar.wordpress.com/2013/05/15/apa-susah-susah-nak-faham-terjemahan-god/

      ‘Nama saya Abdul Karim.
      Saya seorang lelaki.
      Dalam Bahasa Inggeris, lelaki disebut sebagai “man”.
      Untuk diterjemahkan “man” ke dalam Bahasa Melayu, ianya ialah “lelaki”.
      Bukan “Abdul Karim”.
      Kerana itu nama saya, dan nama lain-lain lelaki yang senama dengan saya.
      Takkan semua “man” yang ditemui hendak kita kirakan itu adalah “Abdul Karim”.’

      1. re: “Walaupun toilet bowl BM, banyak dah mubaligh kristians cuba (walaupun terkial-kial) guna BM secara meluas. BM sudah ada harga sekarang.”

        Banyak dah politikus evangelis cuba (walaupun terkial-kial) guna BM secara meluas.

        Saya perasan sejenak sebelum pilihanraya, blog LKS pun guna BM. Besar kemungkinan, tulisan diterjemahkan oleh setiausaha politik mudanya yang Melayu itu.

        1. And depa kata LKS kat Gelang Patah cakap BM dan Mandarin interchangeably dengan mudah. Depa taktau sakit telinga kita dengar dia sebut sebiji-sebiji perkataan BM. Berdarah telinga ni kalau dengar.

          Tapi Tan Seng Giaw BM dia ok. Cakap pun lemah lembut. Antara yang okay, Pang Chin Fei, Lim Swee Tin, Khoo Kay Khim, Andre Goh, Ridhuan Tee & Christine Lim.

          Sekadar menyebut beberapa nama. Helen nama you tak payah sebut kan…ehmm

            1. ‘Waktu itu tercetus isu kalimah Allah. Saya tulis dalam bahasa Inggeris, saya kata, ‘the convention of ‘Allah’ belongs to Islam’ (konvensyen kalimah ‘Allah’ adalah hak milik Islam).’

              Terima Kasih Helen kerana memahami. Kalau Cina ramai macam you, InsyaAllah, aman Malaysia.

              So setakat ni Helen, are you liking the ‘Lautan Biru’ or not?

              1. re: “So setakat ni Helen, are you liking the ‘Lautan Biru’ or not?”

                Stormy waters. Little boat tossed by the waves.

    2. Cuba tanya mana-mana Paderi Keristian atau pun Pope Vatican sekali pun di mana didalam kitab Holy Bible mereka ada perkatan “In the Name of The Father The Son and The Holy Ghost?”. Siapa yg mereka cipta nama itu sebenarnya? Nama itu mmg tidak ada sebenarnya, kalau ada pun cuma akan menjadi “foot note” di sebelah bawah Holy Bble mereka. Menyedari masalah tersebut mereka tercari-cari sehingga sekarang nama-nama tuhan utk menggantikan ganti nama FATHER, LORD dan GOD.

      Tidak keterlaluan rasanye dunia Christian sedang melalui proses “perfection in the making”. Cuma sayangnya pihak JAKIM dan MAIS khususnya tidak dapat mempamirkan ketrampilan mereka didalam isu ini. Kita nampak cara Kerajaan utk menyelesaikan isu ini melalui proses perundingan mmg akan mengundang masalah yg tidak berkesudahan. Ini adalah kerana diluar sana ada ramai ahli politik DAP yg akan mengambil kesempatan utk mendapatkan “political milage” (yg diperlukan) menjadi juara bagi pihak yg menuntut HAK penggunaan kalimah Allah.

      1. Pembetulan ye Helen,

        Kita nampak cara Kerajaan utk menyelesaikan isu ini melalui proses PERUNDANGAN mmg akan mengundang masalah yg tidak berkesudahan. Ini adalah kerana diluar sana ada ramai ahli politik DAP yg akan mengambil kesempatan utk mendapatkan “political milage” (yg diperlukan) menjadi juara bagi pihak yg menuntut HAK penggunaan kalimah Allah.

        TQVM

  7. kalimah allah literally means statement of allah. the issue here is about ‘the name’ and not the statement. so, it’s only allah and not kalimah allah. anyway – ‘in the name of the father, in the name of the son & in the name of holy ghost’ – inilah ‘kalimah syahadah’ yg di ungkapkan ketika seseorang itu di baptised. cuba terjemahkan ke bahasa melayu. nama allah tak disebut pun. sila tanya kristian sabah & sarawak akan hal ini.

  8. Kak Hel,

    Thanks for desensitising the ‘word’ by giving it a wide and constant coverage from various angles.

    We all know there are already adequate and clear cut laws such as other religions are not allowed to proselytize the Muslims. So if there is enough proof, these wolves in sheeps’ clothings should be brought to court. With the internet, CCTV, phone camera recordings these days, you can’t get away with anything. But to this date, is there any evidence to suggest that there are ongoing efforts and subterfuge to convert Muslims in this country?

    This issue mainly affects the non-Malay bumiputras in Borneo. It’s best left to them to decide what they truly want. Just to think they could have been their own country like Brunei.

    1. I agree. The non Malay Bumiputeras have used the term ‘Allah’ for quite a long time. No reason why all of a sudden some overzealous people from the government need to masuk kacau.

      1. Let assume that the Christian had “good intend” to save people from hell when they tried to use kalimah Allah into their malay Bible. But before that it is the Muslim duty to advice them of why we cannot allow them to use the kalimah Allah for their malay Bible.

        The main reason is because all Christian believed that their nameless GOD in the Holy Bible have a SON. When the Catholic church use Allah name in their malay Bible, they are actually ascribing that Allah now may have offspring similar to man and animal. Nauzubillah. (This is the main reason why we will never never agreed to your CFM appeal to use Allah name in the Christian malay bible).

        The Christian will never agreed to any Muslim reasoning but if they think whether Allah is happy about this. They can refer the Al Quran sura Maryam 19:88 – 19:92
        (19:88) They claim: “The Most Compassionate Lord has taken a son to Himself.” (19:89) Surely you have made a monstrous statement. (19:90) It is such a monstrosity that heavens might well-nigh burst forth at it, the earth might be cleaved, and the mountains fall (19:91) at their ascribing a son to the Most Compassionate Lord.

        The dire warning was there long before CFM was established or before any Sabahan OR Sarawakian Christian or Rev Dr Eu Hong Seng and Bishop Pakiam was even born into this world. Clearly Allah is very very angry indeed. Want to know why? – this is a blasphemy towards the Creator. WE MUSLIM HAVE EVERY REASON TO FEEL UPSET ABOUT !

        Even the Holy Bible forbid it! The scriptures clearly remind the christian never to change any words or meaning in your OWN sacred book. You may find the warning in the verses from Deutronomy 4:2. OR Revelation 22:18 OR Proverbs 30:5 Holy Bible.

        Deutronomy 4:2.
        Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish aught from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you
        OR
        “…Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.
        Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a LIAR. ” …………….. Revelation 22:18.
        OR
        Don’t add to his words, or he will rebuke you, and you will be shown to be a LIAR…….Proverbs 30:5

        CONCLUSIVELY DIDN’T THE MALAYSIAN CHRISTIAN REALIZE THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY CHALLENGING THEIR VERY OWN SACRED BOOK??

        With reference to the above biblical verses I can even concluded that the Malaysian Catholic priest and their fellow DAP politician are fighting to get the Biblical LIAR tiltles !

      2. You suggest that only Muslim in Malaysia and non muslim bumiputera in Borneo can using Allah?

        As i understand, this non muslim bumiputra is not a christian at all..Try throw your idea to this Christian people and let see what’s their reaction..

  9. You are misleading the Muslim. The word ‘Allah’ only used in the Herald newsletter BM version plus some foreign printed Bible from Indonesia mainly for East Malaysian. You are implying that ALL Christian in Malaysia would like to use this world Allah and ALL Muslim are so stupid and weak in their faith that by merely using this word, they will be easily converted.

    1. re: “You are implying that ALL Christian in Malaysia would like to use this world Allah”

      Then why DAP evangelista MP Ong Kian Ming in Selangor using the word “Allah” everywhere? (see tweet screenshots above)

      1. When did you become an expert on religious matter ang? Why is it okay to use it Indonesia but not Malaysia ? Why? Why are you constantly using religion for your political needs? Why?

        1. re: “Why are you constantly using religion for your political needs?”

          The ‘Allah’ word is in court for being prohibited its use among non-Muslims. It is the DAP evangelist politician who is using the “Insya Allah” word not me, and furthermore I’m not a politician.

          It is also the DAP evangelist politicians who are constantly barging into the mosques and suraus in their tudung. I’m not a politician and I don’t belong to any political party.

          It is also the DAP evangelist politicians who are delivering sermons in their ‘churches’ which are actually registered as business companies and whose premises do not have the requisite permit to operate as a house of worship — case in point the Dream Center in Section 13 PJ (a light industrial area) which is a multi-purpose hall but used by the Damansara Utama Methodist Church (DUMC).

          Not only am I not a politician but I have never ever been an ordinary member even of any political party before. Nor have I ever run for any kind of political office.

          Unlike the evangelista politicians, you don’t see me quoting verses from any holy books in my blog. And nor do I drop expressions such as “Insya Allah” like bowling ten pins. Nor do I preach any religious teachings or invoke religious personalities in my writings.

          Your accusation alleging me as using religion for my purported political needs demonstrates how the Dapsters can conceivably declare that Bak Kut Teh is not pork and May 13 is not a race riot.

          1. When he mentioned Insya Allah, it is more likely that the Allah is the Muslim version not the Christian God. That’s totally different from the Malay bible, the Allah in Malay bibile IS NOT the Muslim version.

            1. Oh, so the evangelista is using the Muslim version but tweets he is a Christian. So his Allah (the “Insya Allah”b that he invokes) is the Islam Allah and the Islam Allah is same as his God?

              1. If you want to nail him that he is trying to convert the Malay better get some example that he actually use Allah in those bible verses that he quoted. Otherwise this Insya Allah is just a gesture to get near Muslim to get Malay political support, not really to convert them.

                The non Muslim have been using Insya Allah in the middle east countries with no problem, just a form of greeting. As a politician it is suicidal to convert the Malay unless you believe that he is really a devoted Christian which I don’t think so. Politician will always be politician with their cunning tricks.

                1. re: “The non Muslim have been using Insya Allah in the middle east countries with no problem, just a form of greeting.”

                  Do the non Muslims equally want to follow the Middle East in other things like being subject to Islamic law even though one is not Muslim and having all the shops close during the time of Friday prayer and not having any eateries open during Ramadhan?

                  1. You are misleading people again. The Middle East example is just to show that Middle East Muslim can be ‘accommodating’ in some circumstances unlike the Malaysian Muslim who are trying very hard to behave like Arabs thinking that being Arab is like being a true Muslim.

                    1. re: “trying very hard to behave like Arabs”

                      Non-Muslims in Malaysia rarely say “Insya Allah”.

                      You defend Ong Kian Ming by claiming that non-Muslims in the Middle East say “Insya Allah”.

                      Since non-Muslim Arabs also speak Arabic in the Middle East, then yeah, maybe for them it is not strange to say “Assalamualaikum” and the like.

                      So since Ong Kian Ming is not an Arab and I don’t reckon that he can speak the Arabic language but still he wants to borrow from Middle Eastern culture, then it is he (and the DAP 3.0 evangelistas) who are trying very hard to behave like Arabs lah.

                      So who is misleading readers?

                    2. ‘Malaysian Muslim who are trying very hard to behave like Arabs thinking that being Arab is like being a true Muslim.’

                      Nope. We have the Malaysian Christians to top that up thank you!

                      And while we are at it, the so called bible is going to be translated into BM or Arabic?

                2. ‘The non Muslim have been using Insya Allah in the middle east countries with no problem, just a form of greeting.’

                  Arabization among the Christians is in place nampaknya!

                  1. Sibuk dgn fakta orang Arab dah guna nama Allah sejak sekian lama. Mari kita tanya Jesus tu bangsa apa? Apa dia guna bahasa Arab ke semasa zaman dia dulu? Setahu kita Jesus berbangsa Israel (ARAMAIC JEWS) tetapi kenapa kitab itu digunakan tidak didalam bahasa asal mereka, supaya kita tahu nama apa yg diberi utk tuhan keristian ni.

                    Paderi keristian yg datang ke sini semasa zaman kesultanan Melayu Melaka dulu, St. Francis Xaxier tidak pula menyebut nama Allah didalam kitab bible mereka. Semasa zaman itu tidak ada pulak pak Arab yg datang berdagang ke pelabuhan Melaka masa itu membawa fahaman ajaran Keristian yg guna nama Allah ni.

                    Nak tanya jugak dgn orang keristian apa dah jadi dengan nama Tuhan mereka “In The Name Of The Father, The Son And the Holy Ghost”? Nama itu dah expire ke atau dah tak relevant lagi?

            2. ‘When he mentioned Insya Allah, it is more likely that the Allah is the Muslim version not the Christian God. That’s totally different from the Malay bible, the Allah in Malay bibile IS NOT the Muslim version.’

              Kalau tak percaya, buat apa sebut? Mocking is it?

          2. Why should the non Malay Bumiputera Christians be subject to such restriction because of your animosity to the DAP?

            Hannah Yeoh visiting a mosque has nothing to do with the rights of the Bumiputera Christians to practice their religion.

            Unfortunately for you, cjb is correct. You are certainly using religion for your agenda. A simple courtesy visit by elected representatives will be spiced up by you into a purported attempt to apostatize Muslims.

            1. re: “Why should the non Malay Bumiputera Christians be subject to such restriction because of your animosity to the DAP?”

              Hullo, hullo! The Jakim ustaz(s) who drafted the khutbah are not even aware of the existence of my blog. Neither do the gomen lawyers arguing the ‘Allah’ case in court know who I am.

              And I can assure you that I’m a non-entity insofar as the various state mufti offices and Jabatan-Jabatan Agama are concerned. The push for the restriction comes from the Muslims themselves. The first restrictions were gazetted when I was still in school.

              I have zero influence in the bringing and the outcome of this case. Don’t overrate me, hahaha, with saying that my “animosity to the DAP” has any bearing on the matter.

              re: “Hannah Yeoh visiting a mosque has nothing to do with the rights of the Bumiputera Christians to practice their religion.”

              Put aside HY for the moment but let’s take Teo Nie Ching who was slapped with a prohibition order by MAIS to keep her from invading the Selangor suraus and mosques.

              It is the DAP evangelistas have have been at the forefront in pushing for the use of kalimah Allah, c.f. Lim Guan Eng’s 2012 Christmas eve message that ignited a firestorm.

              Even tho’ the word is used by native Christians, it was mostly the churches in the Klang Valley that suffered the arson and vandalism attacks and not the churches in Sabah & Sarawak.

              re: “You are certainly using religion for your agenda. A simple courtesy visit by elected representatives will be spiced up by you into a purported attempt to apostatize Muslims.”

              The content of this posting is wrt the repeated use by a DAP evangelista elected representative of the word “Insya Allah” and his propensity equal to that of Hannah Yeoh to chameleon.

              There is a schedule of words in the state syariah laws that prohibit non-Muslims from using ‘Illahi, Rasul, Firman, Ibadah’ etc, etc and topping the list is the word ‘Allah’. He is an non-Muslim abusing the word ‘Allah’.

            2. Need your clarification about this non muslim bumiputra in Borneo.. are they christian? and since when?

        2. ‘Why is it okay to use it Indonesia but not Malaysia ? Why?’

          Are you in Indonesia or Malaysia? And as for the arabic term, the last time I checked, the Muslims are turning into Arabs, not Christians? Are they?

      2. He mentioned Insya Allah, that’s totally different from using Allah in the newsletter or Malay Bible.

  10. Tiada siapa mampu menghalang kaum ‘kafir’ atau ‘bukan Islam’ dari menyebut dengan lisan nama ‘Allah’ yang menjadi nama ganti-diri kepada maksud kepada ‘Tuhan’. Tiada undang-undang untuk mencegah maka tiada hukuman yang boleh dijalankan kepada orang bukan Islam yang berbuat demikian.

    Tetapi, mencetak atau mengiklan dan menggunakan secara berleluasa di dalam ‘bible versi bahasa melayu’ atau terpampang di ‘signboard’ gereja dan sebagainya adalah sesuatu yang boleh dan sepatutnya dihalang.

    Orang kristian evangelis yang ada sekarang khususnya di Malaysia bukanlah ahli-kitab sebenar iaitu mereka yang mentauhidkan Allah SWT sepertimana yang dibawa, diajar dan disampaikan oleh Nabi Isa Al-Masih. Mereka adalah kaum yang menyeleweng daripada mentauhidkan Allah SWT.

    Bagi saya, mereka adalah penganut yang keliru. Kekeliruan anutan yang mereka amalkan membuktikan mereka tiada hak untuk mengatakan bahawa mereka adalah ahli-kitab kerana mereka tidak berpegang kepada Kitab Injil yang asal.

    Memang benar Nabi Muhammad pernah menyatakan bahawa sembelihan ahli-kitab adalah halal dimakan tetapi, saya yakin sembelihan puak kristian evangelis khususnya di Malaysia ini adalah haram dimakan…

    Oleh itu, walau apapun penafian mereka…. niat dan tujuan mereka untuk menggunakan kalimah Allah di dalam ‘al-kitab (bukan kitab sebenarnya) tidak lain hanyalah untuk meluaskan dakyah memurtadkan orang Islam khususnya orang Melayu….!

    Maka, mana-mana orang Islam yang bersetuju dan bersekongkol dengan hasrat puak evangelis ini, amatlah jelas keimanan mereka meragukan kerana mereka juga termasuk dalam kaum yang keliru…!

    1. I believe those church with signboard with word of Allah are all in Indonesia NOT Malaysia. Please quote one church in Malaysia which used Allah word and publish the address. In fact In East Malaysia, the bible verses are printed in Jawi in some schools including the school that CM Taib attended before.

    2. “Tetapi, mencetak atau mengiklan dan menggunakan secara berleluasa di dalam ‘bible versi bahasa melayu’ atau terpampang di ‘signboard’ gereja dan sebagainya adalah sesuatu yang boleh dan sepatutnya dihalang.”

      Adakah Kristian di Malaysia Timur perlu dihalang daripada menganuti agama dalam bahasa ibunda mereka? Adakah mereka patut ditegah daripada menggunakan bahasa mereka kerana orang Muslim kononnya akan terkeliru?

      “Oleh itu, walau apapun penafian mereka…. niat dan tujuan mereka untuk menggunakan kalimah Allah di dalam ‘al-kitab (bukan kitab sebenarnya) tidak lain hanyalah untuk meluaskan dakyah memurtadkan orang Islam khususnya orang Melayu….!”

      Kamu bolehlah menganggap kitab dan ajaran mereka bukan Kitab sebenar. Tetapi orang lain juga menganggap kitab dan ajaran agama anda bukan jalan sebenar.

      1. Kamu kata :”Kamu bolehlah menganggap kitab dan ajaran mereka bukan Kitab sebenar. Tetapi orang lain juga menganggap kitab dan ajaran agama anda bukan jalan sebenar”.

        re: saya tidak “menganggap” kitab dan ajaran mereka bukan kitab sebenar kerana kitab dan ajaran mereka sendiri membuktikan bahawa kandungan apa yang mereka namakan sebagai kitab telah berubah-ubah sepertimana ajaran mereka yang juga berubah-ubah maka bukankah itu menunjukkan ajaran asal ‘ahli-kitab’ sudah tidak wujud lagi?

        re: orang lain termasuk anda yang menganggap kitab dan ajaran agama yang saya anuti bukan jalan sebenar bukanlah masalah saya sebab saya menganuti ajaran yang dari kitab yang langsung tidak berubah sehingga ke hari ini dan diyakini tidak akan berubah sehingga hari kiamat. buktinya tak perlulah saya lampirkan kerana anda sendiri boleh cari jika anda mahu.

        re: polemik kalimah Allah yang wujud pada hari ini tidak wujud sejak saya lahir lebih 50 tahun yang lalu di negara ini dan adakah anda fikir dengan menuntut untuk mencetaknya dalam Bible versi bahasa melayu yang disokong oleh anda pada hari ini membuktikan kebenaran ajaran agama anda?

        Saya tidak perlukan sebarang perdebatan dengan orang seperti anda di blog Helen ini kerana sesungguhnya surah al-Kaafiruun pada ayat terakhir iaitu ” Lakum Deenukum WaliyaDeen”.sudah cukup untuk saya bertawwakkal kepada Allah SWT……

  11. And all those Chinese continue to ask “why are Malays/Muslims so against us ?”

    The Chinese language media bears responsibility for this, to a certain extend. They should report on the shenanigans of these evangelists but they didn’t.

    Or are they too colluding with the evangelists in preventing the Chinese from knowing what’s really going on ?

    1. re: “The Chinese language media bears responsibility for this, to a certain exten[t]. They should report on the shenanigans of these evangelists but they didn’t.”

      MCA bersubahat dengan berdiam diri sahaja serta tidak pun cuba mematah asakan evanglista DAP yang telah menang besar di kalangan calon-calon PRU13 DAP sendiri (bermaksud si evangelis yang banyak dipilih untuk bertanding, contohnya pembantu peribadi Hannah Yeoh di DUN Bukit Gasing, PJ Selatan).

      Ini salah satu sebab MCA adalah api dalam sekam. Orang MCA yang paling layak menangkis DAP melalui media Cina (bukannya orang Umno).

      Perangai sesumpah itu hanya di kalangan politikus evangelis. Selama 60 tahun, para politikus MCA dan Gerakan yang beragama Buddha tidak pernah meragam dan ‘menceroboh’ masuk ke masjid seperti Hannah Yeoh, Teo Nie Ching, Teresa Kok dan Ong Kian Ming (SEMUA!! Kristian evaneglis ni), sekali dengan sepupu Ngeh-Nga dan beberapa orang lagi Adun Cina Kristian PKR di Perak.

      1. I agree with you on the role of the MCA but surely the blame does not only rest with the MCA. The fact that other Chinese media outlets hasn’t or didn’t report on the shenanigans of DAP’s evangelists does convey a message that they approve of the doings of these evangelists. Now are you going to dispute this as well ?

        1. Political calculation:

          The role of the Chinese in BN — see where MCA ranks in the coalition hierarchy.

          The role of the Chinese in Pakatan — see where DAP ranks in the strange bedfellows hierarchy.

          Even back in 2008 election the Chinese media threw their weight behind DAP.

          For the sake of Chinese interests, the religious aberration can be overlooked as even SinChew had an evangelist editor Bob Teoh (can Google his name to read about his Christian mission work).

          1. You do know that there are consequences. But the question is, do the Chinese know of the consequences and if the answer is yes, are they willing to pay for such consequences ?

            1. re: ” do the Chinese know of the consequences and if the answer is yes …”

              Same as their acceptance of hudud to fulfill the purpose of Asal Bukan Umno, they are willing to make all sorts of excuses for PAS.

    2. Most Chinese view religion as a personal matter. Religion does not have a very big influence in their everyday lives. They don’t really care what religion you profess.

      To be frank, most Chinese do not know and do not care much about Christian & Islam issues. This apathy also explains why the number of Chinese Christians are increasing in Malaysia. Mostly born-again. I would hazard a guess of about 20-30% of the Chinese population… perhaps more?

      Not all evangelists & born-agains are radical and persistent. They will try, but some do push it too far.

      What I don’t understand about this issue is, why are the people directly affected by this in Sabah & Sarawak not as vocal as in Semenanjung?

      And whenever this issue is discussed in the media, I noticed that they like to use the term “non-Muslims” liberally in place of “Christians”…

      Most importantly I think is the fact that Christianity has become political.

      1. re: “And whenever this issue is discussed in the media, I noticed that they like to use the term “non-Muslims” liberally in place of ‘Christians’…”

        Noted. I’ll bring it up that the conniving evangelistas don’t are hijacking the Buddhists and Hindus in their political opportunism.

  12. Below is a hypothesis which closes to fact that I believe quite relevant to ponder.

    A cunning marketing strategy to poke god’s name solely to divert the muslims of young and old, poor and rich, weak or strong to leave Islam and embrace christianity.

    There is no other way to fight the muslims except by diverting them to this petty but sensitive issue. Thats why LGE and LKS use christianity through the church as a tool to grouping people under one umbrella of a single religion in party to fight with umno or PAS. Eventhough they knew it is very illogical to change god’s name, but bcos of greedy for power, anything is allowable. It is like taqiyah as they adopted from Syiah. The missionaries have known using this in Borneo, Kalimantan, and most part of Indonesia. Why not in Malay Peninsula? They have tried this thru the translation of bible by Munsyi, but failed to distribute to the majority muslims in malaya bcos of strong present of Islam and arabic tradition in malay society until today.

    The conflict of religions in Sulawesi has attested this. People fight among themselves bcos of religious beliefs even though they came from the same race, language and colour.

    It is believed, once achieved, they can conquer the country based on support given by the new Jesus followers. If malays converted to christianity, of course they will get huge majority support and overpowered the muslims under umno or PAS at anytime given.

    They know Buddhism cannot attract the malays especially the muslims have long time in monotheistic teaching. Muslims, christians and jews are monotheist people. But only Islam and christianity are the best bet for them in this region. Since “umno are muslims and muslims are umno”, the only left is christianity.

    They realised that people can only be united under a same spiritual belief. They have studied this from the long history of christianity and Islam during the time of Europe and Arab empires. They studied not only about Khalifah Omar Alkhattab alone but they learned more than that. Only muslims here did not indulge diligently to read the history of Islam starting from Muhammad Rasulullah, Khilafiah era including Salahudin AlAyubi. If the muslims do , they for sure would aware the scheme planted by LGE and LKS through the church command.

    LGE and LKS have seen this in Indonesia and they feel confident it will also happen and easily implement in Malaysia especially PAS and PKR are now part of their alliance. Their strategy becoming more easy to implement when several Umno leaders who are loose and weak in Islamic faith and knowledge had given hands. Malays’ disparity and disunity are the utmost important. If natives in Malaysia including the malays becoming christians, they see bright future to govern the country. There will be no more guerrilla war like before.
    Only God knows.

  13. I believe in the case of Allah, the Muslim has addressed the issue wrongly. While there may be some confusion and chaos in using the word, but I doubt the implication will be such big that there will be lautan of murtad just because the Christian uses Allah in their bible.

    I have again and again reinstate that the whole issue of Allah is all about challenging the legal and constitution in this country. It is for the larger picture of sanitizing Islam from this country and make it equal to all other religions.

    For those who have forgotten, let me bring you back to the demands of IFC (http://norahmad.blogspot.com/2012/01/14-tuntutan-ifc.html)

    Look carefully at no 9. “Orang bukan Islam bebas memnggunakan perkataan suci Islam”. This is the whole issue. If they won in the case of Allah, then they can proceed with the other 13 because they all boiled down to legality and constitution of the country.

    1. the intefaith commission is a sham and to me equal to a terorist organization. its leaders openly solicit to the US ambassador to impose sanctions on Malaysia under the pretext Malaysia discriminate againts non Muslims.

      This despicable organization, hiding behind the non Muslim religions plans to undermine the constitution and nefarious scheme to deny the rights of the Malay community to determine their destiny. They are interfaith, they are liberal anarchist with no love for Malaysia and would clap when bad things happen to Malaysia.

  14. The use of or banning of words in any democracy is one of freedom of speech.

    Having said that, this particular political strategy of the DAP is aimed at Sabah and Sarawak. It also raises uncomfortable issues on the whole concept of Bumiputra status etc and the escalating tensions within the community .

    The old DAP would not touch this issue with a ten foot pole. The new DAP sees this issue as manna from Heaven.

  15. mengapa cina dap repeat cina dap yg sibuk sangat nak cetak allah dlm injil berbahasa melayu????? adakah bahasa melayu itu bahasa ibunda cina semenanjung, sabah & sarawak????.

    natives of indonesia, sabah & sarawak all communicate in malay irrespective of tribes. it was once a non-issue until the dap sec.general re-visited thus created havoc. jadi, balaci2 dia kena ikut perintah.

    bahasa apa yg dituturkan ketika khutbah dlm gereja di semenanjung dimana makmum are non-native of borneo & indonesia?????

    1. “bahasa apa yg dituturkan ketika khutbah dlm gereja di semenanjung dimana makmum are non-native of borneo & indonesia?????”

      Mereka guna bahasa Inggeris, Cina, atau Tamil.

      Tetapi, kebanyakan orang Kristian di Malaysia ialah orang Bumiputera yang berbahasa Melayu.

      1. ‘Mereka guna bahasa Inggeris, Cina, atau Tamil’.

        jadi, kenapa cina dap dok sibuk? bible dlm bahasa orang putih (english), mandarin (cina?) atau tamil (india?) ada sebut allah ka?

        ‘Tetapi, kebanyakan orang Kristian di Malaysia ialah orang Bumiputera yang berbahasa Melayu’.

        again why dap hokkien, cantonese, khek & the rest (chinese?)
        still kaypoh???. is malay their mother tongue???

      2. Bumiputra berbahasa melayu in Sarawak?

        Natives in sarawak and sabah speak their own languages and dialects. The malays in Peninsular even cannot understand the language spoken by the malays Sarawakian. Siadak faham… understand. Ada faham? And how about to understand the language of iban or melanau or bidayuh.

        “bahasa apa yg dituturkan ketika khutbah dlm gereja di semenanjung dimana makmum are non-native of borneo & indonesia?????”

        definitely, so why turning now to Malay language? Hmmmm very fishy isnt it?

  16. I find the DAP Evangelist distasteful but what I find abhorrent is the list of terms that Non Malays/Muslims are not allowed to use. As always we are told that Islam is under attack. That Muslims are being vilified and that if we only understood Islam, we would find how peaceful it is. I don’t buy that for a second.

    If we are going to use slippery slopes arguments with regards to the DAP Evangelists, then why ignore the reality that UMNO’s brand of Islam that has been imposed upon us Non Malays ?

    That slope has already been created and its downhill from there. Someone upthread said, is the Chinese community aware of the consequences ? Consequences of what, exactly ? Voting for a political party that uses Religion to shore up support from a certain segment of its voting demographic ?

    UMNO should just make it clear that it wants to regain the two thirds majority so it could amend the Constitution making it illegal for the Chinese to vote for anyone besides BN. This way we can bypass the threats of Malay or Islamic retribution.

    Of course, this proves what that hack, OKM said about Malaysia not being a democracy, but what the hell, right, what’s a little fascism between citizens of various ethnicities and religion.

    1. Yes, Umno will ratchet up Race and Religion to acquire Malay votes in order to offset the loss of non-Malay votes. Look at the popularity of Zahid Hamidi.

      The more Umno escalates this, the more hostile will be the environment like with the Seri Pristana case and the Sedili surau case, both of which DAP was conveniently and conspicuously silent.

      One of our readers also reminded us about the DAP’s thundering silence on the Tan Yimin case which was in its own backyard (Penang).

      And then DAP will pretend that it is colour blind and that all the God is One, all roads lead to Him.

      Consequent to the DAP buat tak tahu, the victims of the DAP-Umno clash will be left to seek help from MCA, MIC and Hindraf but the votes are nonetheless reaped by DAP from propagating hatred against Umno/the religious establishment/the Malay bureaucracy for the Seri Pristana, Sedili, Bukit Bintang Hindu temple and other such show of force.

      1. Re. the victims of the DAP-Umno clash will be left to seek help from MCA, MIC and Hindraf.

        Sampaikan kena saman dengan bekas laki Bosnia RM600K sebab sperma pun cari MCA. Lepas tu duduk bersekongkol dengan DAP mengata UMNO/Melayu.

        Re. Bukit Bintang Hindu temple

        If I remember correctly back in the 90’s, it wasn’t a big temple and not even a temple you can say that. It was more like a private altar or shrine and located inside the mamak stall/rain tree mamak. Nobody from outside could see it unless he/she walked inside. When they demolished the stall, I could no longer see or notice it. Maybe they have covered it, but one thing for sure, it is not the kind of temple that the Indians go and worship the god in group (not even during special occasion).

        Readers/Followers who used to work at MUI Plaza (now Plaza Hup Seng) can attest to that.

      2. It’s not that UMNO “will” ratchet up, UMNO has been raising the Race and Religion stakes for decades and the MCA and MIC did nothing about it.

        While the DAP was anything but conspicuously silent about the Sere Pristina issue – not only were there sound bites in the media but many articles in their propaganda organs not only the Rocket but also the Star.

        While I did hear some noise about the Serdili fiasco, if they had made more noise, blogs such as yours would have attempted to portray it as an Evangelists conspiracy (using the Buddhists) to attack Islam or whatever other grievances that a certain UMNO section of the Malay/Muslim polity feels in this country.

        As for the Yimin case, while the DAP may have been silent which points to their lack of principles, conversion cases as well as body snatching which have been the fuel of anti Establishment sentiment points to the encroaching UMNO imbued Islam that has been with us for decades and points to the failure of the so called social contract, the consequence we are seeing now.

        And I’ll remind you of the fact that the DAP’s hypocrisy is mirrored in the rhetoric and actions of UMNO.

        The DAP may be tactically selective in the causes it champions but I don’t think anyone will be seeking help form the MIC, MCA or Hindraf. Even now in the Seri Pristina fiasco, Kamalnathan said it was no big deal, whereas the MCA said it is, while Waytha has been told to keep his mouth shut for speaking up about the police shootings by PM Najib himself and told to leave the cabinet by Malay UMNO potentates.

        PKR’s Surendren , together with other MIC members were assaulted by agents acting on behalf of the State or other proxies during the Temple desecration.

        But as I argued on another thread, so what if people ask for help from other political parties ? This is the nature of democracy and it would seem only in Malaysia would such a phenomenon be considered abnormal and the practise of soliciting votes through legitimate means is rejected in favour of terror tactics and dire warnings, all made along racial and religious lines.

        1. re: “It’s not that UMNO “will” ratchet up, UMNO has been raising the Race and Religion stakes for decades and the MCA and MIC did nothing about it.”

          I agree with you. You can read my sentence as Umno will “further” ratchet up the Race and Religion stakes.

          re: “While the DAP was anything but conspicuously silent about the Sere Pristina issue – not only were there sound bites in the media but many articles in their propaganda organs not only the Rocket but also the Star.”

          * face palm* It slipped my mind for a moment that The J-Star is Suara DAP. Okay then, the Jerusubang paper did indeed membatu api Seri Pristana. The DAP menghasut through its party organs The Rocket and The J-Star.

          1. Lol, if the DAP are “conspicuously silent” they are wrong, if the DAP speaks up, they are “membantu api”. Not much room to manoeuvre is there when it comes to UMNO.

            1. The usual Malay expression is “batu api” (hence membatu api). The expression must have been coined during the Stone Age when humans needed to rub flints in order to start a fire.

              However your literal “membantu api” (fanning the fire?) is quite appropriate for the Dapsters, methinks.

              1. J-Star tu semua pun ibarat Api.

                1. Batu Api
                2. Api Dalam Sekam
                3. Api kecil-kecil jadi kawan sudah besar jadi lawan

                Kat kampung saya ada sejenis tumbuhan yang tumbuh atas dahan pokok lain yang dipanggil api-api. Ia ibarat paku-pakis yang tumbuh merimbun atas pokok tumpangannya. Akhirnya ia akan membunuh pokok yang ditumpangnya itu.

                J-star kalau tidak dihapuskan oleh UMNO/BN dengan sungguh-sungguh dari sekarang akan menjadi seperti pokok “premier” yang “kojol” dimakan api-api secara senyap.

    2. Besides the fact that this is a Malay Muslim majority country with Islam the official religion, but isn’t DAP doing the same thing as UMNO, only at opposite ends? Perhaps even MCA, with the likes of Loh Seng Kok making his stand on this issue.

      When race & religion are exploited for politics, something’s bound to happen.

      1. re: “but isn’t DAP doing the same thing as UMNO”

        DAP is much worse! At least Umno from Day 1 of its formation has made no bones of its ‘Bangsa, Agama, Negara’ open agenda.

        DAP ni pulak, nama aje ‘Sosialis’ (it is a member of Socialist International, and its youth wing DAPSY is Democratic Action Party Socialist Youth) but they are infested with shape-shifting evangelistas who not only exploit their own religion but also other people’s religions as well.

        1. Helen,

          There is nothing to be embarassed about “bangsa, agama, negara” theme often mentioned by any UMNO member.

          But in all honesty, Malaysia is spared racial disaster that plagues many countries( Thailand, Philipines, Sri Langka, , Indonesia, as the party that holds the real power decides not to play with racial card.

          Until today we only have DAP creating imaginery enemy in Chinese mind. But DAP is not in power except Penang. But even with limited powers, some Malay hawkers find that their stalls demolished but Chinese stalls protected although they literally operate on busy roads( on top of the road literally).

          They incite the Chinese to think about themselves only( Chinese only). Other races are not in equation. They question why Uitm is for Bumiputeras only. But they choose to ignore vast majority of IPTS students are non Malays. They continue to lament that chinese students do not get scholarships, ignoring thousands of Malay folks supporting Malay students in Egpyt doing medicines

          They lament that a number of Malay politicians are fond of using the word “pendatang” but they refuse to see that many Chinese politicians literally behaving like “pendatang”.

          They reject increase of hours in BM classes in vernacular schools but they insist that Christians must use “Allah” when there is not even a word “Allah” found in Bible, old or King James Version.

          They accuse UMNO( meaning Malays) o nepotism, cronyism but DAP is known for its dynastic image.

          Guan Eng behaves as if he is the “son of heaven” beyond reproach. Who is he thinking he is?

          As soon as he assumed the post of CM ( God knows why Penang DAP Chairman sidelined) , he attacked Dr Koh Tsu Koon. Instead of good breeding of not waging war against his predecessor, he wasted no time bad mouthing Dr Koh. And he was soundly defeated by mild mannered Dr koh during debate.

          Now try to compare Mukhriz’s humility by according respect to Azizah, then MB of Kedah. Mukhriz can show who is in charge in Kedah now by being rude to Azizan. But what will he get by attacking Azizan?

          By according respect to Azizan, Mukhriz simply shows that he is all for reconciliation. AND THAT IS THE HALLMARK OF STATEMANSHIP , surely lacking in Guan Eng and his father too.

          1. re: “They reject increase of hours in BM classes in vernacular schools but they insist that Christians must use Allah”

            How about this: Since they are so adamant in using the Arabic word ‘Allah’, make it compulsory for all Chinese and Indian Christian children to take Bahasa Arab classes in school just like how all Muslim children have to take the Islamic subjects.

            1. Helen,

              Interesting proposition. But you know all of them will scream that they cant be forced to learn Islam or Arabic. But they must use ‘”llah” as if they will die using ‘jesus’.

            2. ‘How about this: Since they are so adamant in using the Arabic word ‘Allah’, make it compulsory for all Chinese and Indian Christian children to take Bahasa Arab classes in school just like how all Muslim children have to take the Islamic subjects.’

              AKSJK la Helen!

  17. This Loh Seng Kok is a Christian, very devout one for sure. A quick google shows that his name always appears in most news on Allah issue.

    1. Yes, I’m aware that LSK is a devout Christian.

      So is Datuk Hwa Beng, the MCA’s 3-term ex-Subang Jaya Adun.

      The pattern of the politics is unmistakable. In the past with the MCA & DAP Buddhists and the Taoists, there was no clash.

      With the evangelical Christians at the steering wheel of opposition politics, a religious clash is on the cards.

          1. Going to be more difficult now…

            MCA=J-Star=DAP= +/- KJ

            Dia sudah pegang satu orang UMNO yang “URBAN” katanya.

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