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Who is more convincing, Kit Siang or Dr M?

The Dapster-KJ rhetoric is that election results last Saturday for the Umno wings are an indication of Dr Mahathir Mohamad’s influence on the wane.

Khairy Jamaluddin easily romped to victory in the Pemuda contest, thumping Akhramsyah Sanusi who had received the backing of the Tun. This delightful/unsavoury (depending on which side you’re on) outcome to the Umno election prompted Lim Kit Siang to gloat and launch an offensive against his old nemesis Dr M.

In a press statement yesterday, Kit Siang could not resist harking back to what he perceives as “a major failure for Mahathir”, i.e. “the Battle of Gelang Patah”.

Like Khairy, Kit Siang had similarly won that particular electoral tussle where the Tun is considered to have lost, somewhat, by proxy.

KJ's challenger Akhramsyah Sanusi seated beside the Tun
KJ’s challenger Akhramsyah Sanusi seated beside the Tun

Khairy’s victory is a DAP victory

Kit Siang’s press release is titled ‘Johore a key battle ground for the vision of a Malaysian Dream as a unifying factor for all Malaysians and an antidote to the revival of extremist and intolerant racist politics in five months after 13GE’.

Lim Sr and Jr are identical in this respect. Both have the habit of attaching long-winded headlines to their press releases.

The father-and-son duo should take a leaf from Dr M whose last 10 blogs articles are crisply titled as follows: ‘Politicians vs journalists’, ‘Chin Peng’, ‘Regime change’, ‘The Rohingyas’, ‘Masa depan Umno’, ‘Fuel subsidy’, ‘Sunni and Syiah’, ‘Meroboh surau’, ‘Advice that will bankrupt the nation’ and ‘Water for Singapore’.

All of Dr M’s articles have short titles.

Compare the most recent press statement by Lim Guan Eng (yesterday) which is titled ‘The Special Screening Of “Tanda Putera” To Commemorate Malaysian Airlines (MAS) 41st Anniversary Celebrations Insults All MAS Customers Who Are Offended By The Lies That Is Not Only Historically Wrong But Also Racially Offensive And Derogatory’.

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Did DAP really get the Malay votes?

The DAP permanent fixture (Lim Sr), who has been heading his party since 1969, frames his epic battle as one where Umno politicians led by the Tun had conducted an “irresponsible and reckless campaign” (a phrase he repeats thrice in his press statement) “to racialise Gelang Patah” (another phrase that Kit Siang repeats thrice also) by intimating that he-Kit Siang wanted to create a “racial confrontation”.

Kit Siang further insinuated that Dr M is a liar for imputing that he (LKS) was “seeking to incite the Chinese to hate the Malays” [Kit Siang’s words].

Earlier the NST had reported Dr Mahathir as saying: “He (Lim) will only be satisfied if the Chinese community in Johor hate the Malays” in a speech at the Bicara Perdana event at Dataran Tanjung Emas in Muar on 8 April 2013.

He then goes on to declare that the most significant aspect of his Gelang Patah triumph was that “Mahathir’s allegations and lies failed to make any impression on the voters, particularly the Malay voters” without whose votes the DAP could not have crossed the finish line first.

The “extremist and intolerant racist politics” post-GE13 are all blamed by Kit Siang on Umno.

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Do the Chinese hate the Malays?

Or for that matter, do the Malays hate the Chinese? If we can answer the preceding question(s), then we can get closer to the truth of Dr M vs Kit Siang.

Christians do not form the majority in the Chinese community. Yet in the matter of the kalimah Allah, the Chinese whom are Buddhists, Taoists, Deists, Confucianists, agnostics, atheists are in the majority siding with the Church, and not with the mimbar.

Why is there this Chinese herd mentality against the Islamic religious authorities on the Allah issue?

In the same press statement where Kit Siang all but announces the DAP’s aim to wrest Johor to serve as the opposition springboard to Putrajaya, he accuses Umno leaders led by Dr Mahathir of concocting “preposterous allegations and lies that the 13th General Election was proof that the Chinese in Malaysia were out to oust the political power of the Malays and to dominate Malaysian politics”.

Simple test question then: Do the Chinese want to dominate Malaysian politics? Do the Chinese want to oust the political power of the Malays?

Answer: Perhaps not.

But the evangelistas do.

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“Vision of a Malaysian Dream”

The phrase “Malaysian Dream” occurs 10 times in Kit Siang’s press release yesterday.

Pursuit of the Malaysian Dream; call to embrace the Malaysian Dream; fulfillment of the Malaysian Dream.

Kit Siang declares that “Johore [he uses the old British colonial spelling] will be a key battleground for the Vision of Malaysian Dream” to achieve the objective of ending the “politics of race, corruption, cronyism and abuses of power”.

Cukup-cukup lah.

Kit Siang has been recycling his anti-race polemics since 1964 when he was the political secretary to DAP founder Devan Nair. That makes it almost 50 years / five decades / half a century of us having to hear Kit Siang rail against the “politics of race”.

In comparison and in half the period, Dr M has built Putrajaya, Cyberjaya, KLIA, the Petronas Twin Towers, the North South Expressway. Even the Penang Bridge which opened to traffic on 14 Sept 1985 was completed during his tenure as Prime Minister.

Despite the loud and overly much protestations by Kit Siang, his son and their evangelista coterie, Dr M … methinks … is correct. DAP does incite the Chinese to hate the Malays. If all the nasty and insulting comments pouring forth following the Allah verdict is not hate speech, I don’t know what is.

If there is no cessation to this kind of provocative behaviour (like Hannah Yeoh’s for example), it will lead to a confrontation just as the Tun predicts.

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Will Kit Siang ever withdraw from the scene?

Or is he waiting for Marcus Lim (the grandson) to enter the political fray first?

Dr M once said in Parliament — refer Hansard, 26 May 1965

“It is a peculiarity of this country that those who openly accept the fact of racial division are the people less prone to racialist politics. The Alliance is based on racialism where its party structure is concerned, but its decisions are the results of mutual ‘give-and-take’ amongst its constituents and no longer represents a purely racialist stand-point.

“On the other hand, the so-called non-communal parties are the most communal and racialist in their attitudes. Basically, they are pure Chinese chauvinists, or they derive inspirations from a common dislike for the Malays.”

The Tun made his above observation almost five decades ago as well.

He and Kit Siang together go back a long, long way. And the two senior citizens are still lobbing their hand grenades at each other. Not only that, their sons – respectively the Menteri Besar and Chief Minister of two northern states – are continuing the proud family tradition.

I truly wish that one of them would just sock it to the other and land a devastating sucker punch.

SPLAT

There appears to be no other way to compel Kit Siang to retire. (Btw, he has been MIA in Gelang Patah despite his current interference in DAP Johor affairs.)

Updated: 6.10am

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121 thoughts on “Who is more convincing, Kit Siang or Dr M?

  1. Me think, LKS wil never retired from the world of politic until he become the Timbalan Perdana Menteri. Then when he become timbalan, he wil lobby for LGE to become Perdana Menteri and then his grandson become Timbalan Perdana Menteri. Still he will never resigned because he waiting for his gread grandson become Timbalan Perdana Menteri dua…hehhehheh

    :D sarah

  2. Apa la you Helen, compare LKS and TDM? Compare dia dengan Anwar or TGNA cukup la. Still cannot compare him with these two becos without them he is totally BISU.

    Lim Kit Siang is merely a community leader, a one community (Chinese) leader. That’s about all he is, unknown to the majorities in Malaysia. Lebih 50 tahun did he contribute anything worthwhile for all Malaysians to fondly remember him? Just name one?

    However without him Malaysian politics will be very dull.. even in a circus they need clowns to excite the crowds owh?

    1. Yg nk tergelak anak dia when first in office was trying to bring in Erobus.. 20yrs ago DBKL had done complete study, tut tut dia baru nak promote.. Lapok benar anak LKS ni! Tapi sampai skrg habuk pun tara!

  3. LKS desperately NEED Tun M for without Tun, LKS is nothing to shout about. He has been consistent in attacking and provoking Tun. Whatever Tun did, LKS was there to criticize and offer his negative comments and yet in terms of contribution to this beloved nation, it is zilch, zero and it is very perplexing why the Chinese community continue to adore and support LKS/DAP…

    The Malays should realize that the Chinese do not appreciate any development, so my suggestion is, be like LKS/DAP and do not develop anything for the Chinese community and in turn they will support you more….. Isn’t that correct????

    And it is obvious that LKS /DAP is fixated on Tun M. Tun M brilliant ideas gives the DAP/LKS a platform to seem and sound relevant.just by commenting them in a negative light….so much intelligence that lies within DAP!!!!!….sigh!!!!!!!!!!

    1. re: “it is very perplexing why the Chinese community continue to adore and support LKS/DAP…”

      Prior to 2008, the DAP never tasted any power.

      On the other hand, the Chinese have been voting pro-opposition since 1964. (Note: In 1955 federal election, the Chinese were not enfranchised b’cos majority did not possess citizenship, and in 1959 GE, the MCA did well).

      The May 1969 election results were a good indication of how strongly the Chinese supported the opposition, i.e. the Alliance lost Penang, Perak and was held to a stalemate in Selangor.

      Therefore, from 1969 to 2008, the DAP has been the automatic choice for those Chinese who did not support the opposition establishment, which is a lot. You can see the see-saw between the fortunes of the DAP and the MCA in the table below.

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      However, in 2013 the swing has been too big and it is impossible for MCA to be able to make any kind of comeback.

      Even though the DAP has in some of the election cycles suffered losses (i.e. MCA having the upperhand) yet despite losing the seats, they did not lose the “popular vote” of the Chinese. We must remember that the MCA’s wins have always hinged on Malay and Chinese support.

      DAP has ALWAYS maintained urban Chinese support. As to why … ponder on what Dr M said.

      1. Postscript: The DAP was registered in 1966.

        From the day of its formation, the party has been the voice of the Chinese more so than the MCA.

        LKS is adored b’cos he has the status of a Chinese folk hero and defender of the race against the Machinery (gomen).

    2. Melaya Malaysia. We cannot compare whoever in Malaysia now with Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad. He towers over all including the brilliant Lee Kuan Yew with the 10 failed Policies for Singapore.

  4. Racist, Liberals, Chauvinist, Ketuanan Melayu, Eroding Constitutional Rights, NEP, Allah, No Allah, Whither Malaysia?

    1. Ajay. In the Constitution it is stated that

      Islam is the religion of the Federation. as the preamble. All the other religions are secondary to this. This is why there was no squeak on this issue for so long until some daredevil took up the cudgel.

      1. “If I were to do some storekeeping, what’s ‘mine’ as non-Malay, non-Muslim is very scant. Small roadside shrines constructed under trees, faux churches in shoplots or looking like factory buildings and YMCA complexes (the rebuilt and recent completed Metro Tabernacle church is one example), temples in terrace houses. What’s ‘yours’ is magnificent and everywhere.

        Not only do ‘you’ get free public expression of Islam, you also receive overflowing public funds. I needn’t delve into details; it’s not like most people don’t already know.”

        You know, right, AK47?

        I think Helen made a great point by these above words, written by her.

        1. re: “I think Helen made a great point by these above words, written by her.”

          Unfortunately I can’t say the same for you due to your shape-shifting. Don’t you get tired of harassing me? Get a life. You already know what I think of you — REVOLTING.

          1. Uncle, I’m with holding your comment as I do not wish the ‘matter’ to be prolonged. Thank you for your understanding. — Helen

  5. Ms H. Please do not compare Malaysia a land of 27 million wonderful people which stretches 1,200 miles from end to end AND IS A STRATEGIC GEO-POLITICAL CHOKE POINT with Singapore, a one street town.

    On the one hand one gentleman is a World Statesman and has a distinguished record and on the other, you have a gentleman who twiddled his thumbs and contemplated his navel for 47 long years doing nothing for the Malays, the Chinese, the Indians and all and loved to be in the Opposition.

    It is like comparing chalk and cheese.

    1. ak, compare la apple with apple, in the context of this article, perhaps we shd look at subject that is comparable, for instance if we do compare mahathir n lky, we can see how they respectively put their opponent in prison, and for how many years, u do know who is anwar n lim chin siong right?

      both mahathir n lks do fight for minority n the weak, mahathir speak up for muslim on world affair but at home he sound exactly like the one he accuse, n what about lks when the topic is dap n lge? we can perhaps also compare mahathir n lks writes, their speech n assess who can be more articulate (i personally think lks write better, mahathir political speech is one of the best among local leader), comprehand ka?

      at yr age n level, dun write like the many puerile commenters here, didnt some always say lead by example?

      1. HY. You sure die after me. But I have a list of those who harmed me and called me names, 53, to be precise, died before me the youngest was 39 years old I hope you would not be on the list soon until after I die. Do not HY deprecate others as puerile when you do not know the meaning of the word. Please do not think people older than you die first. If you do, you will surely die well before your appointed time.

          1. HY. I personally congratulate you that you are definitely going to die after me. I can furnish you a signed certificate if you so require for your Boss in heaven.

            1. by reading yr excellent retort, i really think i know the meaning of the word “puerile”? but do u?

              1. HY. Try to use simple words like our beloved Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad and not long words to impress and which you do not really understand.

      2. HY. On your beloved brilliant Lee Kuan Yew with his 10 failed Policies for Singapore, just in case you do not know, I am related to him because my elder brother married his only sister in October 1951. I kept track of him since and met him only once in 1956. I do not fraternize with his family or politics.

  6. There is no point comparing Mahathir with losers like the Lims.

    Even the Chinese Premier prefer to visit Mahathir, dont even bother to look at the Lims typical ah pek faces, prolly never heard of them too.

  7. Should Zahid, Ali Rustam and Mukhriz win, the Dapsters will start talking (typing, ball-less people don’t talk) about the doom and gloom. About migrating and brain drain as if they are the only people with brains. In reality they are staying put, shamelessly feeling safe amongst the Malays they called racists. Memang muka tak malu.

    1. Migrating ? To ? Seriously, where can they go ? Tell me, where can they go ? Singapore ? Even Singapore is cracking down on immigrants. There’s nowhere for them to go to. Only a few, a small group will leave. Go to Anglo white countries ? They cannot even speak the language properly, you think those whites will welcome them with open arms ? Migrate, all they can do it shout Migrate ! Migrate ! Migrate ! They have been shouting for 40 odd years but they are still here. Its all crap. They are not migrating.

      Here’s for sarcasm’s sake. They say the smart ones are leaving, which means those still staying here are the what ? The not so smart ones la ! They say the smart ones work in the private sector here. But they say the smart ones have left, so the ones working here in the private sector are the not so bright ones. Funny, that the private sector in Malaysia employ the not so bright ones.

      You see how these people contradict themselves ? Funny how during the election, they say to the Chinese that they must vote for the opposition because the opposition is dominated by the Chinese yet they say they are a multiracial party, that they are not racist. Funny eh ?

      1. What is This. With your permission, I like to point out that some of our compatriots have already migrated with their minds long long ago and are only waiting for the duit which they go all out to get beg, pray, borrow or steal !

      2. e did migrate nn some not, nothing crap about this.

        for sarcasm’s sake as well, the leaving is smarter than one that stay, the private is smarter than one in public sector, where is the contradiction? i stress again for sarcasm’s sake.

        dap is dominated by chinese, oppositioon is not, r u confuse or r u trying to be funny?

        1. HY. Really emigrating is better than staying put ? For your edification, I went to OZ, Canada and lived in Singapore after 13 May 1969. I returned. In OZ I found that it is ruled by the 1% Government, University, Church, Union, Big landowners and industrialists, the Jews and now the Greeks/Itlalians. The other 99% just enjoy themselves with a 4 day week. I have doctor friends who worked for a life-time in Vancouver and Hong Kong. They all returned and live happily and quietly. What do you know, HY ?

  8. Come to think of it, LKS and LGE’s CV do seem a bit unimpressive to say the least. Couple of bragging rights like spending time in kamunting :) but pretty boring nonetheless.

    1. todak. The duo or trio or quartet are just like you and me. The only difference these fellows have with the others is that they are normal like you and me.

  9. DAP is in the habit of blaming others as racist. They are actually the real racists, and to cover themselves, they continually accuse the Malays as racists.

    The CEC election of DAP will tell all who is the real racists. The Malays and the Muslim have always been tolerant, but the Chinese has been very demanding, wanting one thing after another.

    I hope the Malays and the Muslims will remain “sabar” unless things got exploded beyond control ! Who will gain then ? The Chinese or the Malays.

    Think think and think.

    Peace Malaysia……….

    1. re: “The CEC election of DAP will tell all who is the real racists. The Malays and the Muslim have always been tolerant, but the Chinese has been very demanding, wanting one thing after another.”

      The Chinese have also always been tolerant. That’s why we did not have any bloodshed after 1969. The Chinese may have grumbled about the NEP but did not revolt against its implementation.

      The Chinese tolerated too the civil service turning into a mono-racial behemoth.

      The intolerance started with the rise and rise and rise of the evangelistas. Always remember that Christianity has got no roots and no connection with the traditions of the Chinese.

      Mainline Christianity has got a long and established tradition of its own. The evangelistas City Harvest Church variety of Hannah Yeoh is newly self-invented, deviant (ajaran sesat) and in Singapore, their pastors are suspected criminals.

      And now the Jerusubang evangelistas are causing grief to the pribumi Catholics.

      Kerana evangelista gila kuasa, semua akan binasa.

      1. Re Always remember that Christianity has got no roots and no connection with the traditions of the Chinese.

        And more and more Chinese youths are embracing the Christian faith. Oops forgot to add, more and more highly educated Chinese professionals are also embracing the Christian faith.

        You said no connection ? Yet your own people the Chinese are embracing the Christian faith. Even those who are not of the Christian faith side with these Christians.

        Your Chinese educationists accuse the government of trying to dilute the character of Chinese schools through various polices such as the Education Master Plan 2013-2025 yet your people say nothing of the aggressive proselytizing by Christian groups among your own people which constitute the real threat to your culture.

        What are you going to say now ?

        1. Re: “You said no connection ? Yet your own people the Chinese are embracing the Christian faith.”

          I maintain what I say, i.e. that Christianity has got no roots and no connection with the traditions of the Chinese.

          Chinese culture is 5,000 years old. The Malaysian Chinese embraced the evangelism strain only in the past couple of decades — a tiny fraction of the Chinese civilization timeline.

          City Harvest Church is about 20 years old. Hannah Yeoh converted to Christianity 15 years ago.

          There are much older Chinese Christians like the Hakka in Sabah and Sarawak. The traditional denominations are not deviant like the City Harvesters who worship ikut suka hati, e.g. their church service is like a rock concert with the strobe lights and funky sound system and Google for the sexy music videos of City Harvest Church pastor’s wife.

          re: “Even those who are not of the Christian faith side with these Christians.”

          Yes. Umno must hold MCA accountable for this development.

          re: “Your Chinese educationists accuse the government of trying to dilute the character of Chinese schools through various polices such as the Education Master Plan 2013-2025 yet your people say nothing of the aggressive proselytizing by Christian groups among your own people which constitute the real threat to your culture.”

          I couldn’t agree with you more.

          re: “What are you going to say now?”

          The Satu Sekolah Untuk Semua dan mereka-mereka yang sewaktu please stop attacking Chinese schools.

          The more you weaken these schools and their Confucian traditions, the more evangelistas you will have in your midst from the converted Chinese who are exposed, susceptible and vulnerable to the aggressive proselytizing by Christian groups.

          You take away the Chineseness and there will be a vacuum. Nature abhors a vacuum.

          This void – created after the Chineseness is taken away (same as how they’re making ‘Malay’ into a four-letter word meaning ‘racist’ dan Melayu pula jadi segan mengaku diri Melayu due to the relentless social assualt) – will be filled by the most aggressive input.

          As you can see for yourself, the Firsters and the evangelistas are the most aggressive. The evangelical churches were the most active in organizing Bersih participation and distributing election pamphlets. You do not see Buddhist temples doing this except the Kek Lok Si in Penang that hosted Betty Bald’s stunt.

          In fact, I would recommended readers to Google “Christian militancy”, “Christian aggression” and “Christian triumphalism”.

          1. Re The more you weaken these schools and their Confucian traditions, the more evangelistas you will have in your midst from the converted Chinese who are exposed, susceptible and vulnerable to the aggressive proselytizing by Christian groups.

            Even without weakening these schools and their Confucian traditions, ask the Chinese about the Christian faith and they say “okay what ? Christianity is okay, at least better than becoming Muslim”. With this sort of thinking, don’t you think accusing the government of weakening Chinese schools and their Confucian traditions as absurd ?

            Speaking of the evangelical churches being the most active in organizing Bersih participation and distributing election pamphlets, your local community leaders, the Chinese guilds, the Chinese associations, where were they when the government needed them to explain to the Chinese the government’s policies ? They were nowhere to be found. Some, like the Selangor Kuala Lumpur Chinese Assembly hall even chastised the government for being illiberal for not allowing the Bersih rally.

            As for the new, aggressive politics, look at what your people are doing on Facebook, by this I mean the Chinese educated youths who are very active users of the social medium and who comment in Mandarin. Read their comments filled with vulgarity and obscenity directed at Malays, Indians, and those who oppose their views.

            Your people are lucky that Malays and Indians don’t know your language. If Malays and Indians know your language, there would be no place for your people to hide considering the sort of stuff you have been saying. Yet your people accuse Malay papers of racist antics when Utusan print “what more do Chinese want ?”.

            Your people think the Malays are going to sit idle and do nothing and allow all these acts of provocations to continue ?

            1. My dear Jew,

              re: “your people”

              I don’t speak for the Chinese, lah. I only observe. Sometimes I am reluctantly compelled to share my observations.

              re: “Even without weakening these schools and their Confucian traditions, ask the Chinese about the Christian faith and they say ‘okay what’ ?”

              You’re right. Evangelistas are marketing savvy. One famous one among them used to be an Event Manager.

              re: “Christianity is okay, at least better than becoming Muslim”.

              Again, you’re correct about this.

              re: “With this sort of thinking, don’t you think accusing the government of weakening Chinese schools and their Confucian traditions as absurd ?”

              No, not absurd at all. We’ve seen how the gomen weakened mission schools and their La Sallean (brothers), convent (nuns) traditions. Crosses have been removed from the chapels and even from the steeples.

              re: “Speaking of the evangelical churches being the most active in organizing Bersih participation and distributing election pamphlets, your local community leaders, the Chinese guilds, the Chinese associations, where were they when the government needed them to explain to the Chinese the government’s policies ?”

              I concur. Umno must hold MCA accountable for this. But since MCA refuses to be accountable, the logical thing for Umno to do is KOMA.

              re: “They were nowhere to be found. Some, like the Selangor Kuala Lumpur Chinese Assembly hall even chastised the government for being illiberal for not allowing the Bersih rally.”

              They represent business interests too. If Umno is unhappy about the Chinese tsunami, then it is up to Umno to take remedial action. Why is Umno fattening the pockets of The Star, as one example? Why is Pemandu advertizing in The J instead of in Utusan?

              re: “As for the new, aggressive politics, look at what your people are doing on Facebook, by this I mean the Chinese educated youths who are very active users of the social medium and who comment in Mandarin. Read their comments filled with vulgarity and obscenity directed at Malays, Indians, and those who oppose their views.”

              MCA conducts all its affairs in Mandarin. The MCA website is in Chinese and in English and zilch BM content. Therefore social media users in the Chinese language are best tackled by the MCA.

              Umno must hold MCA accountable for this. But since MCA refuses to be accountable, then the most logical thing for Umno to do is Kick MCA Out Already.

              re: “Your people are lucky that Malays and Indians don’t know your language. If Malays and Indians know your language, there would be no place for your people to hide considering the sort of stuff you have been saying.”

              Umno must hold MCA accountable for this. But you can see the problem, right? It is the PPTA which is in a deep coma for Big Brother’s inability to hold the smaller component parties accountable.

              re: “Yet your people accuse Malay papers of racist antics when Utusan print “what more do Chinese want ?”

              You must hold Umno accountable for the The J-Star possessing more clout than Utusan as well as able to control the national narrative. Umno lah yang enggan memperkasakan pertubuhan Melayu. Malahan iklan-iklan CIMB diletakkan di Malaysiakini dan bukannya di akhbar-akhbar Melayu. Your people should force Umno the PPTA to take responsibility for Utusan’s lack of revenue.

              re: “Your people think the Malays are going to sit idle and do nothing and allow all these acts of provocations to continue ?”

              Not speaking for any people but for myself … yeah, I think so. Not only do I think the Malays are going to sit idle and do nothing but rather the Malays will susukan kera di hutan (the provocateurs).

              After all, your people re-elected the liberal Ketua Pemuda who hired a Scissorati as his press secretary. Apa lagi nak dikata? kakakakakah

              1. “A football analogy of religion in Malaysia will be this:
                The Ketuanan Melayu-Islam (KMI) team has on the pitch 11 players. The opposing team, the Minorities, fields 5 players – this ratio follows the Ibrahim Ali formula of 67% bumiputera representation, albeit appropriating the Christian native and pribumi animist share.

                The referee is the KMI team manager, and the linesmen, the KMI club president and treasurer.

                The goalmouth on the KMI side is 8 yards wide and goalpost 8 feet high. On the Minorities side, the corresponding dimensions are 30% extra at 10.5 yards/10.5 feet, thereby giving KMI strikers an advantage in chances for scoring. Furthermore, the Minorities goalkeeper is permitted to keep goal with only one hand.
                Before kick-off, a ‘let’ is given by handicapping the Minorities three goals. The duration of play is 30 minutes each half, reduced by a quarter of an hour in keeping with NEP affirmative action.”

                Yikes, that’s not fair!

                1. Yikes, indeed that is what the DAP is further promoting in the party’s bid for Malay votes.

                  In fact, these very affirmative action measures have been strengthened by the Guan Eng led-Penang state government.

                  See article by CT Ali titled ‘What I fear about DAP is this…’ in FMT (14 Oct 2013) @ http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/opinion/2013/10/14/what-i-fear-about-dap-is-this/

                  According to the writer,

                  (1) All tendered projects under the Department of Irrigation and Drainage Malaysia (JPS) in Penang were awarded to bumiputera contractors (even those not reserved for bumiputeras).

                  (2) 98% of the value of JKR-tendered projects managed by Penang state is awarded to bumiputeras.

                  (3) The budget for Jabatan Agama Islam Pulau Pinang has been increased from RM12.5 million during Umno’s time to RM64 million in 2012.

                  All the info that he cites is in the public domain, has been highlighted before by the Penang MCA and can be verified.

                  DAP has been screaming that the (later) NEP implementation was “racist!!”, that contracts given to Malays amounted to cronyism and what do they themselves do, just to fish for votes?

                  If the above is the DAP operating procedure to bribe the Malays for their votes, then the other poor and marginalized communities will be left even further behind before the DAP is prioritizing the Malay vote bank.

                  And talk about cronyism, a 26-year-old was chosen to be a Penang municipal councillor just to fill the DAP self-imposed “Malay quota”, see http://www.themalaysiantimes.com.my/nur-fitriah-chosen-merely-to-fill-malay-quota-mca/

                  1. typo:

                    will be left even further behind BECAUSE the DAP is prioritizing the Malay vote bank

            2. “As for the new, aggressive politics, look at what your people are doing on Facebook, by this I mean the Chinese educated youths who are very active users of the social medium and who comment in Mandarin. Read their comments filled with vulgarity and obscenity directed at Malays, Indians, and those who oppose their views.

              Your people are lucky that Malays and Indians don’t know your language. If Malays and Indians know your language, there would be no place for your people to hide considering the sort of stuff you have been saying. Yet your people accuse Malay papers of racist antics when Utusan print “what more do Chinese want ?””

              Hey man, I just go to blogs and websites such as MyMassa, Utusan, the pro-UMNO blogs and see the anti-Chinese, anti-Indian, anti-non Muslim tripe being spewed out by the owners and commentators.

              So do not accuse others when your faction is doing the same thing.

              1. re: “Hey man, I just go to blogs and websites such as MyMassa, Utusan, the pro-UMNO blogs and see the anti-Chinese, anti-Indian, anti-non Muslim tripe being spewed out by the owners and commentators.”

                Can you give some examples (url links) of the Utusan reader comments that you mean?

          2. My views are:

            “But taking a more general view,  can you fault Chinese or Indian or Orang Asli for not being able to  provide adequate spiritual guidance to their children when they themselves  are religiously oppressed by the state?

            On the one hand, Islamisation  pervades every cubic inch of air we breathe in Malaysia.

            On the other hand, other religions  are suppressed. One infamous incident occurred in 2004 at Christmas  where the Selangor Sultan and assorted cabinet ministers were invited  guests. At this official function, hymns mentioning Jesus could not  be sung.

            A person like Lina Joy cannot  safely reside in Malaysia. A youth bearing the name Ali bin Bakar on  his Mykad made front page news in a national paper because he is Buddhist  – such a shocking, sensational revelation!

            Those who can among the minorities  have elected to emigrate rather than challenge the NEP. The pro-Malay  policy that was to have ended in 1990 is prolonged under various guises  and set to continue into the distant future.

            It will be the same for religion. NEP yielded Ketuanan Melayu; NEP phase II yields Ketuanan Islam. For  its poster boy, Ridhuan Tee is the face. But look too at the state sanctioned  structures and processes that facilitate the creation of such a convert (below).

            Converts are even paid money  by the state when they embrace Islam. When a ‘victory’ or human  souls are won by NEP-like means, how honorable is that?”

            Do you agree?

            Ha, ha, I’m just kidding.

            I got that whole chunk from Helen Ang, you might have met her?

            1. My further views are:

              “when they themselves are religiously oppressed by the state”

              I empathize with the predicament of the pribumi Christians and now the block on the use of the ‘Allah’ term. From 1963 until to at least the turn of the century, they were left to practice their faith without too much interference.

              So why is it that something (church service in BM and using the ‘Allah’ word by Sabah & S’wak natives) which has been tolerated for decades is today seemed deemed to be prejudicial to public order and “peace and harmony”?

              The factor we have now which we did not have before is the Rise and Rise of the Evangelistas. Before 2008, there was no political shake-up. The judges decision yesterday appears to hinge on the social factor (i.e. the use of ‘Allah’ by Christians will disturb “peace and harmony”), and since the Ibans, the Kadazandusun, the Kelabit and other native Christians are a constant, then the catalyst (UBAH) up-ending the equilibrium must be the peninsula evangelistas.

              Kesian the Christian pribumi who have become the inadvertent victims of the evangelistas’ aggression and power grab.

              re: “On the one hand, Islamisation pervades every cubic inch of air we breathe in Malaysia.”

              True. And look who has entrenched this Islamisation. The DAP evangelistas who parade in tudung, who gatecrash mosques and surau with the determination of Tammy Faye Bakker, who organize Buka Puasa even though they themselves do not observe the Islamic fast, who ucap “Insya Allah”, who quote the Hadith, who sebut ayat Quran even though their pronunciation is all wrong and they create ‘new’ surahs that are not there (through the mispronunciation), who try to narrate the Sunnah, who style themselves Khalifah Umar Abdul Aziz, who tweet about Islamic calendar events, and who boast that they provide more allocations for Islamic activities compared to the BN gomen/representatives before them.

              re: “The pro-Malay policy that was to have ended in 1990 is prolonged under various guises and set to continue into the distant future.”

              Again, correct. Najib Razak has just recently announced NEP 2.0, the BEEP (Bumiputera Economic Empowerment Programme). I get the sneaky feeling that had the Chinese tsunami not happened, then BEEP would not have been announced. Itulah, the Chinese greed. Wanna grab. Now the BEEP taketh away.

              re: “NEP phase II yields Ketuanan Islam. For its poster boy, Ridhuan Tee is the face. But look too at the state sanctioned structures and processes that facilitate the creation of such a convert (below). Converts are even paid money by the state when they embrace Islam. When a ‘victory’ or human souls are won by NEP-like means, how honorable is that?” / Do you agree?

              Yup, it is the DAP maneouvres that have speeded up Ketuanan Islam (which is not to say that it wasn’t progressing albeit at a slower pace).

              Again, due to the aggression of the DAP evangelistas, innocent people kena tempias, such as the Singaporean Buddhists who meditated in the Sedili surau in Johor.

              As for the incentives for Muslims / Islamic affairs, now it’s become a heated two-horse race. The DAP in Penang has outbid Umno in terms of providing allocations to the state Islamic religious authorities. In fact, Guan Eng’s administration tripled-quadrupled the Islamic funding.

              What this means is that the Islamic bureaucracy – lots of enforcement officers to patrol the act of fasting during Ramadan, say – is expanded and new, paid jobs in the sphere of Islamic affairs are created. In other words, instead of working as TNB technician, one has the option of makan gaji with the kerajaan negeri as an ustaz and other related posts.

              Lim Guan Eng was noticeably and deafeningly silent on the forcible conversion of a 7-year-old Buddhist girl against her Chinese father’s wishes. I blogged about it here, Tan Yi Min.

              Do you agree that the DAP was revolting in its thunderous silence when a child was kidnapped by the Muslim enforcement officers (in cahoots with the convert mother) in Penang the state that they rule, and spirited away to Selangor, the state that they co-rule?

              Ha ha ha, what kind of people are the Dapsters? But I’m not kidding; it’s cynical laughter.

              It’s a whole chunk of considerations that the fanatical evangelistas who want to install DAP in Putrajaya prefer to sweep under the carpet. You might have met the DAP opportunists before — they used to be in the MCA and in Gerakan before they did the hop, skip and jump like Ong Kian Ming.

              1. Remember my pantun after PRU13.

                Dalam Semak Ada Duri
                Ayam Kuning Buat Sarang
                Cina Tamak Selalu Rugi
                Bagai Anjing Dengan Bayang-Bayang

                Sooner or later GST is going to be implemented. Part of the reason is to combat the Black Economy. Who do you think going to benefit the most from this GST?

              2. ‘In fact, Guan Eng’s administration tripled-quadrupled the Islamic funding.’

                This was not exclusive for Islam only. I’m sure LGE tripled-quadrupled also other religious funding, if not more.

                1. Dunno. He only made a big show of tripling-quadrupling the funding for Islamic activities.

                  I doubt that he would have done anything for the Hindus. DAP supporters are not-Indian-actually like Mr Hannah Yeoh.

      2. “If after the final whistle the scorecard still shows the Minorities ahead, the match will automatically go into extra time. If KMI fails to equalize despite the extended play, they will be accorded five penalty kicks. And if KMI still proceeds to lose despite the rules of the game deliberately crippling their opponent, the KMI fans will riot and burn down the stadium.

        Does the football hooliganism allusion have any basis? The Shah Alam cow-head oafs and the church arson indicate, yes. The fact that the Mazu ‘Goddess of the Sea’ statue cannot be erected in Kudat, Sabah shows there is no level playing field.

        Without any fair play, the conduct of the game then hinges on ‘toleration’, that is, the extent to which fundamentalist Muslims can tolerate the notion of pluralism in the matter of religious verities. Reciprocally, at what point would Muslim insistence on Islam as the sole divine truth make life too intolerable for the dhimmi?”

        A very good question.

        1. re: “at what point would Muslim insistence on Islam as the sole divine truth make life too intolerable for the dhimmi?” / A very good question.

          Let me try to answer you (as little as you deserve any civility).

          Both sides of the political divide are agreed that Umno has been further upping the ante in the Race and Religion stakes.

          Is life currently beginning to be intolerable for the dhimmi?

          Post GE13 and the results of the almost total Chinese swing, I can comprehend that Umno has no choice but to follow the Zahid trajectory if they want to cling on to power (i.e. harnessing the Malay and Muslim votes to the max).

          BN, which is effectively Umno and PBB might be able to scrape through GE14 but 4.5 years is still a long time in politics and anything can happen.

          What would give Umno the impetus to abandon its previously ‘kongsi’ terms (as enunciated by Dr M in his Gelang Patang ultimatum) or to take the hardline?

          It is when Umno feels that the hawks are moving the grassroots and pushing the agenda. The successful election of Zahid and Mukhriz would bolster this theory.

          What does the Malay ground want? Notwithstanding KJ’s victory, it’s still very possible that the ground is shifting to the right. Let’s wait and see the VP race results.

          What is pushing the Malays to the right? Among other things, the Chinese bogeyman and scapegoat.

          Is there any basis to make the Chinese the bogeyman and scapegoat? I’m not saying that you’re Chinese (you could well be one of those “I-am-not-Indian-actually” but looking at your revolting earlier comments, you fit the bill of those whom the purported rightwingers here would like to see either deported or stripped of your citizenship.

          Already in your previous incarnation as GND @ https://helenang.wordpress.com/2013/10/13/kj-menang-cina-dap-memang-pandai-jilat-pungkok/#comment-55165, I said that I malas to layan your kind.

          The revulsion remains.

    2. Wow, what an original take! haven’t read that theory before, ever.

      To quote Helen Ang:

      “To further my football analogy, let’s take the junior league. One aspect of our religious NEP is the restriction on non-Muslim fellowship in schools. Conversely, there is no restriction on Kelab Islam.

      Banning non-Muslim religious societies is like forbidding the stepchildren from being taught football and depriving them of footie practice in the school field.

      While other religions are kept off the timetable, Islamic Studies is an integral component of the syllabus. It is mandatory for Malay students to take the paper in public exams.

      In some schools, doa (Muslim prayer) is recited weekly during assembly. However, if a Christian, Hindu, Sikh or Buddhist prayer were ever recited in a gathering where Malay pupils are present, there will be uproar. ”

      Betul tak?

      Who needs to be patient, again?

      1. re: “Who needs to be patient, again?”

        Rational Malaysians are having our patience tested by your kind.

        re: “In some schools, doa (Muslim prayer) is recited weekly during assembly. However, if a Christian, Hindu, Sikh or Buddhist prayer were ever recited in a gathering where Malay pupils are present, there will be uproar.”

        I mentioned the same thing here about the SK Seri Pristana controversy. I asked: What if it was Malay pupils in a Chinese school who were made to eat in a changing room-canteen? See, https://helenang.wordpress.com/2013/07/27/if-malay-kids-made-to-eat-in-chinese-school-changing-room-how/

        Would the uproar be even greater?

        MIC and MCA weighed in on the Seri Pristana issue. Guess who kept a deafening silence or otherwise couldn’t be bothered about the fate of Indian children?

        Why I believe it was the DAP evangelistas who were quiet as a churchmouse (pun intended). Quite obviously, they did not want to ruffle Malay feathers because they’re eyeing the Malay vote bank. So much for the party that touts itself as the great defender of minority rights.

        Are you by chance a member or supporter of that party?

  10. Hi Helen,

    1. You cant compare Tun M with LKS. Tun M, 22 yrs as PM, had given prosperity mostly to the chineses. Most chineses admired him, but failed to express their feelings openly due to deep racial obligations.

    2. Remember, that was a year where Malaysian economy was at its best ( peak ), all Malaysians celeberated Merdeka Day with full of joy ! Jalur Gemilang were flying almost everywhere. The kind of spirit one could never forget. However our LKS was still hammering high and low. Not a slight appreciation though.

    3. For the last 50 yrs, LKS was fighting for the unnecessary dreams and lead chineses in barriers of doom. As ex PM Aussie Howard put it, chineses in Malaysia are of no differences. Sadly, Tun M was the one to be blamed. LKS style.

    1. Maee,

      As i said earlier, DAP is leading the Chinese to confront the Malays. and the confrontation will be physical. and it is going to be bloody.

      It is not far fetched. It happened in 1969. Lim Kit Siang often denied that he was in Sabah on May 13. What he chose to not to tell us was what he did just few days before the clash.

      Once i told in this column how several “lebai and hajis” told me when I was living in Kg Baru in 1990s that they saw Kit Siang inciting the Chinese right in the heart of Malay settlement in Kg Baru.

      Is that not an irony that the chinese laments on DEB but keeps quiet on mind boggling situation where Malaysia is the only country on earth with separate school system. I often mocked my chinese friends when they started to compare situation with Singapore.

      I told them that in Singapore there is no Chinese school. All of them never failed to change topics after my statement.

      Kit siang and his behaviour maybe acceptable if he is the Emperor of China. The emperor can absolve his mistakes. Let others shoulder the blame. The emperor in mid 19th century agreed to kidnapping the British envoy despite advice from his own brother. The brotherly advice turned to be the truth.

      Yet when British retaliated, the emperor fled leaving the brother to handle the British.

      Kit Siang has been there for 50 years, frst as political secretary to Devan Nair /. Yet surprising Devan Nair was not mentioned in any official DAP article. Meaning what? Meaning someone controlling DAP wants Devan Nair’s name to be erased.

      Kitr Siang is fond of lecturing others. Together with his son, he demands highest ethics from others . He lectures on democracy when democracy is alien in DAP.

      He accuses others (meaning UMNO) as racist when UMNO’s record handling non Malays and non Muslim is superb . I often remind those who forget or choose to forget that UMNO agreed to massive citizenship to these “pendatang” including Kit siang in a scale that until today a world record. not abled to be matched by other countries.

      What Dr Mahathr predicted is the truth. Short of saying it , “hubungan Melayu-Cina seperti kaca terhempas ke batu”.

      Only one political party that now stands between Lim Dynasty and its dream.

      UMNO. So, no prize for guessing why DAP hates UMNO so much.

      .

      1. Minta izin mencelah satu perenggan,

        re: “Is that not an irony that the chinese laments on DEB but keeps quiet on mind boggling situation where Malaysia is the only country on earth with separate school system.”

        Heh heh heh. Count it as a blessing lah.

        If M’sia did not have separate school systems, then the Chinese here would have assimilated to become Yingluck, Thaksin, Abhisit, Chuan Leekpai, Cory Aquino, Benigno Aquino, etc, and consequently,

        your friend Ridhuan Tee would have become culturally acceptable as the Menteri Besar of Selangor,

        and one of us Chinese – perhaps DAP SuperCyber Bully Ong @imokman who wears songkok and kain sampin and scatters “Insya Allah” like confetti – will become the Prime Minister … muahahahaha … like how politicians of Chinese descent have succeeded in becoming PM in Thailand and the Philippines.

        So actually, the existence of the SRJK(C) which separates the races inadvertently saved Malaysia from the fate of having a ‘Chinaman’ as PM. Betul, tak?

        1. Interesting that you chose to mention those people. For the record, those people do not see themselves as Chinese. They long ago made the conscious decision to assimilate, thus become the people of their adopted homelands. Which in the eyes of Chinese, they are no longer Chinese. Even the Chinese here say these people are not Chinese anymore as they know nothing of their own culture.

          So are they Chinese or not ?

          Since culture is something you learn, therefore, these people are not Chinese. One thing I do find interesting is, whenever the issue of money crops out, the Chinese would say, without shame, that they dominate the economies of these South East Asian nations yet they can turn around and say the other “Chinese” in South East Asia are not “Chinese”.

          1. Bottomline: You want OKM to become PM or not?

            He wear baju Melayu, songkok, kain sampin, bersahur and selitkan “Insya Allah” between every other word already.

            Maybe you’re right that the Thais with no Chinese blood see Yingluck as a full Thai like themselves and the ‘Chinese’ factor is no longer visible.

            So if all the Dapsters start following the Madam Speaker’s dress fashion, then the PAS and PKR Melayus will be duped into believing that the tarbiah has succeeded.

            Maka dilenturkan Melayu untuk menerima kepimpinan Cina sepertimana juga kehadiran Cina diterima dengan penuh redha di surau, masjid dan majlis berbuka puasa (oh, dan tidak dilupai kehadiran Cina-Umno di pejabat Menteri Belia dan Sukan).

            With the social acceptance, the Chinese will be sitting in Putrajaya sooner than you can count the 191 electoral colleges. Yaaaamseeeeeng (takpe, we drink non-alcoholic halal beer like how we can invent organic vegetarian Bak Kut Teh).

        2. To quote Helen Ang:

          “Why do you think that more than 90 percent of Chinese parents see no choice but to shield their children from the sekolah kebangsaan system? If I were a mother, I would never wish to subject my vulnerable child to a bellicose environment where my race, and the traditions and faith beliefs I’ve imparted to my son or daughter are disparaged.

          In national school, even should my offspring be lucky enough to dodge any active proselytization, there is not escaping the Islamized climate that favours one party and discriminates against the other.”

          Good point.

          1. Correct. That is why I have very consistently maintained my support for Chinese school. All my regular readers are aware of my upfront support for the continuance of vernacular education.

            Unlike the chameleons, I do not sugarcoat to sedapkan telinga.

            Commenting is a privilege, not a right. I may tolerate your revolting comments up to a point. But the privilege to comment does not include the freedom to slander and to insult as you have done earlier.

            1. None of this is meant to be insulting; it is merely pointing out gross inconsistencies in what you have written before (in a “past life”, shall we say) and what you are saying now.

              Now, the response may be: “well, I have changed my position”, to which I would say: “fair enough; that is your right.”

              Nor (with all due respect) am I “slandering” anyone by posting their previous comments as a comparison. Or calling them repetitive, or (as I did above to another commenter), unoriginal.

              I only find objectionable (and please don’t take this personally, after all, who is to say I am right, it’s only my view) that in your “new incarnation” you are rather prone to cheap tricks which I do not even have to enumerate to a former journalist.

              For example, the earlier post where I objected to the fact that you were being was misleading, was an entirely fair comment.

              https://helenang.wordpress.com/2013/10/14/does-the-j-star-hate-islam/

              Just read everything you wrote below “No, not Mister Bean but The J-Star up to its usual, nasty mischief” and ask yourself how fair and accurate you were there.

              My question of how KJ’s win means Article 153 dying, again, was a fair challenge (I kind of half-know what your answer to this might be, but I’m not sure it’s convincing.)

              I’m no fan of the J-Star (whether one way or another; no feelings, I guess) so I have no motive to defend them. And you can say: “well, I’m not here to be either fair or accurate, so screw you” – which is a decent enough answer.

              The previous article of yours which I pasted above, although it represented a strong view, was at least balanced.

              What’s happened since then?

              1. re: “Nor (with all due respect) am I ‘slandering’ anyone”

                If you did not come here previously under various other pseudonyms such as GND, VT775, TN577, then I’m willing to withdraw my allegation that you’ve been slandering me. (I was not referring to any of today’s comments).

                  1. KW, it seems that somebody had been born again and again and yet again and again.

                    ‘GND, VT775, TN577’

                    Fuh, KW, masa hidup dulu lu sudah bunuh orang ka? Sekarang jadi apa binatang? Sesumpah?

                    1. Hahaha.

                      He’s very revolting and has been harassing me with RBA-style personal attacks (slander) for sustained period of time already.

                      Really repulsive.

                      That’s why earlier I withheld Uncle AK47’s reply to him too. Otherwise he will invoke the Right of Reply and the exchange will go on and on, and we’ll never be rid of him.

        3. Helen ang,

          Trust me Helen. Malays would not object if (example only) Yang diPertuan Agung appoints Dr Ridhuan Tee as a Yang DiPertua Negeri.

          Race is not really an issue here as long he is Muslim. And accepted as a good Muslim by the majority of Malay Muslim community.

      2. shamsul anuar, saudara. No need for UMNO to confront anybody because anybody wants to make the international headlines. This is just playing into the hands of these people who failed to gain power in Putrajaya in 3 EASY STEPS. This is a very crude method. However, as long as the BN as led by the UMNO with the 13 component parties OBSERVES THE RULE OF THE LAWS, IMPLEMENTS FAIR AND TRANSPARENT POLICIES, MAINTAINS A NORMAL AND FUNCTIONAL BUREAUCRACY, ESCHEWS MAKING MONEY THROUGH THE GLCs (which has no accountablitliy and raise a lot of jealousy) BUT FOCUS ON ONLY RULING US, there is nothing the Opposition can do until the next General Elections. As you can see every day, the Opposition has lost their momentum and trying to keep their supporters together by grasping on the smallest issues with the loudest voice. Ahcheh !

        1. shamsul anuar, saudara. Here is how the Opposition failed to win Putrajaya in 3 EASY STEPS. They only use crude methods like running around under the hot sun in the streets of KL or make loud noises. This is kid’s stuff. Here is WHAT THE OPPOSITION MISSED IN 3 EASY STEPS.
          1997. If the DPM took is family for a holiday in Disneyland USA, he would have returned as the Honourable Prime Minister of Malaysia. Instead, he furnished himself with a kitchen cabinet of smart tycoons who contributed only to themselves and nothing to him. They are stll around. Thank you very much. Just ONE EASY STEP.
          2008. Instead of sorting out the 32 seats BEFORE the 12th General Elections, the Opposition did this AFTER the event by which time the BN was returned to power. The lucky 32 had a wonderful holiday in Taiwan courtesy the Opposition efforts.

          1. Sorry, shamsual anuar., I continue

            2008 ………the Opposition efforts. JUST ONE EASY STEP

            2013. If the Opposition BOYCOTTED THE 13TH GENERAL ELECTIONS AND DECLARED A 100 DAY FAST (which even Mahatma Gandhi did not do), THE BN WOULD HAVE WON 100% OF THE SEATS WITH 49% OF THE VOTES AND SUBJECTED TO WORLD WIDE CONDEMNATION. THEY WOULD BE IN PUTRAJAYA. JUST ONE EASY STEP.

            From the above you may see how weak the Opposition leadership is especially the Singaporean Trojan Horse DAP which could contemplate their navels for 47 long years and do nothing for the Malays, the Chinese, the Indians and all. A politcal party is formed to rule a country and meant to be in the Opposition for more than 47 long years.

            1. sorry ……formed to rule a country and not meant to be in the Opposition for more than 47 long years.

          2. AK47,

            The opposition failed to capture Putrajaya as they give details to so many things except on “elephant in the room”. Meaning they focus on things which dazzle people but they forgot the most important factor.

            And the most important factor is none other than a group of people that forms the largest racial composition: the Malays.

            S o intense is the attack on BN( or rather UMNO) that it actually backfire, prompting Malays to lean to UMNO. I am not denying sizable Malays flocked to PR but more than 60% Malay voters defended UMNO.

            Not out of love. They like me said “padan muka” to Najib . But they still choose UMNO as having others to rule is tantamount to having Zionist overlording you.

            In other words, UMNO won by default. But it may not get lucky again. If MNO is seen too “liberal” meaning continue on its “tidak apa” attitude having its leaders too “popular” among DAP circle, UMNO might lose altogether.

            1. shamsul anuar. All Malays and non-Malays must support the UMNO because it is now an important icon to defend for the sake of our beloved Malaysia, like our Royal Sultans, the official religion, Islam, Tanah Melayu. Without UMNO, Malaysia is no longer the Malaysia as we know it. What we built up over the centuries will be lost to chaos and internal strife at the behest of the foreigners who are jealous and want to do us down using proxies. You know who these are.

              1. ‘What we built up over the centuries will be lost to chaos and internal strife at the behest of the foreigners who are jealous and want to do us down using proxies. You know who these are.’

                Very true indeed.

        2. shamsual anuar. Can you imagine how much money the Singaporean Trojan Horse DAP, the very rich PKR and the very pious PAS spent ? And they lost big without PUTRAJAYA ! How are they going to assuage their mis-informed foreign and local financiers, their misled 92% Chinamen/women etc.

          BIG BUCKS GONE DOWN THE DRAIN FOREVER ! AND MORE BIG BUCKS FOR THE NEXT 14TH GENERAL ELECTIONS ! This is the reason why their is so much angst amongst the Opposition leadership ranks. IT’S MONEY, MONEY, MONEY ! Acheh !

  11. HY. Just in case you are not aware of your hero the brilliant Lee Kuan Yew with his 10 failed Policies for Singapore :-
    1. Money was used as an investment of Foreign Policy which killed, maimed or injured innocent men, women and children. Malaysia has no such blood on her hands. Vide. Thaksin. Shinawatra. The Bangkok Riots 2003-2013.
    2. The 2 Child Policy 1970s-1980s. This is the killer. Vide. Singapore Government White Paper on Population 2013. When Lee Kuan Yew came into power 1959, indigenous population was 100%. 2013 – 62%. 2030 – 42%. Only Hitler tinkered with the demographics.
    3. The dysfunctional meritocratic pyramid of ‘yes’ men with the smartest fellow on top lost US$108 Billions (RM350 Billions/Bank Negara Malaysia Foreign Reserves 2013 is US$ 140 Billions) on Wall Street in October 2008. Vide Channelnewsasia Lee Kuan Yew November 2008. All Singaporean Blogs (all sounded choked) 2008-2013. Financial Times London Gillian Tett. ‘S’pore’s Harvard Invstment Model.’ Sovereignty was abdicated to the hoi-polloi.
    4. Humanity and Multiculturalism were never practised in Singapore. Vide. Channelasianews. The Curry Smell Tribunal. 2011. The 188 bus drivers strike, 2012. The toilet fights. 2012. In the early 1970s, so many places of worship were destroyed that someone had to ask the Boss to stop.
    5. The perfunctory Judiciary which is well-known the world over. Vide. The unfortunate and fortunate Mr Chee. The unfortunate Tan Koon Swan. The Aussie and German drug mules. Dr Woffles Wu. Shaw. If the Police stopped at one, he would have got away. But they stopped at 51 ! Poor girl ! etc.etc.
    6. The daily importation of 5,000 pigs. The flower nursery contracts. King of the Road. etc. etc.
    7. The failure ot establish a world-class transportation system.
    8. The highest paid Cabinet Ministers in the World in a one-street town.
    9.

  12. HY. we continue…

    9. The Lee Kuan Yew inspired Malaysian Trojan Horse DAP which was founded in 1966 failed to conquer our beloved Malaysia to save the brilliant Lee Kuan Yew with his 10 failed Policies for Singapore and his LEGACY. Is it too little, too late ?
    10. The brilliant Lee Kuan Yew with his failed 10 Policies for Singapore is still in power and in Parliament since 1959. He will be there till 100 at least.

    All the above-mentioned are real FACTS from only Singaporean and foreign sources.

    As time goes by, our beloved Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad is head and shoulders above the brilliant Lee Kuan Yew with his 10 failed Policies for Singapore. It is like comparing chalk and cheese.

    1. okay, let’s compare
      1) did money not used for muslim in thai n phil
      2) what about deng one child policy n mahathir 70 million population, yr view?
      3) bank negara ‘paper losses’?
      4) that hualon (now recron) factory in nilai from time to time got strike, fight, riot, so how exactly this related to humanity and multiculturalism? n pls ask helen on destroy of place of worship.
      5) anwar anwar n anwar
      6) a one street town?
      7) hmmm…lets define would class, n what about msia?
      8) this i can agree, but i often curious how ccp n bn leaders could afford such a lavish lifestyle, n we may also compare index like gdp per capita, education, living std etc etc,,
      9) pap is umno, so who is dap?
      10) no comment on the failed policies n 100, but can agree lky is still in power, didnt i said he is a dictator?

      1. HY. Please substantiate with facts supported by true references and sources like what I do and not just ACCUSE innocent people of doing this and that. I am very much aware in this beloved Malaysia talking nonsense is free. This is the beauty of our Malaysian democracy, you have the incumbent and you have the Opposition WITHOUT WHICH OUR MALAYSIAN DEMOCRACY IS INCOMPLETE. Acheh ! Ii is easy to accuse with one-liners. Now you prove your allegations !

      2. AK47,

        These are the latest of Monetary Authority of Singapore and Temasek, they are feeling another heat now after 2007-2008 crisis. Plus other news.

        1. Singapore central bank loses billions as currency soars
        Published: Tuesday, 23 Jul 2013 | 1:52 AM ET

        “Singapore’s central bank posted a S$10.61 billion ($8.39 billion) net loss in its last fiscal year as the local dollar’s gains against the yen and euro diminished the value of its foreign currency holdings.”

        http://www.cnbc.com/id/100905329

        2. Temasek Holdings makes $4.6Bil loss one of the worst investments – Faber Report [YouTube]

        3. Suicides hit all-time high in Singapore in 2012
        Agence France-Presse

        SINGAPORE – Suicides in Singapore hit an all-time high of 487 in 2012 as more young people bogged down by stress and relationship woes took their own lives, a charity group dealing with the problem said Friday.

        http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/443611/suicides-hit-all-time-high-in-singapore-in-2012

        4. Homeless in Singapore

        http://www.tremeritus.com/2013/09/23/homeless-in-singapores-island-paradise/

        1. AK47, these are the comparison:

          1. BNM: Banks post higher profit of RM29.4b

          KUALA LUMPUR: Banks, including Islamic banks, posted higher profit for 2012 on continued expansion in lending and fee-related activities while asset quality remained sound, according to Bank Negara Malaysia’s Annual Report 2012.

          It said on Wednesday, the banks’ pre-tax profit increased by 12.3% to RM29.4bil, with the average returns on assets and equity unchanged at 1.6% and 17.5% respectively.

          http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Business-News/2013/03/20/BNM-Banks-post-higher-profit-of-RM294b.aspx

          2. Khazanah Malaysia

          AG’s Report: Auditor General Gives Thumbs Up To Khazanah Nasional For Effective Role

          Oct 1, 2013 – According to the 2012 Auditor General’s Report, for 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2012 financial years, Khazanah’s financial performance was good,

          http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v7/sp/newssports.php?id=982219

            1. Stupid is Stupid Does

              1. The 100 Most Powerful Women in 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013

              No. 8 Ho Ching
              Chief executive, Temasek Holdings
              Singapore
              http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml

              2. Temasek dumps Bank of America stake 2009

              Temasek, the Singapore government’s investment company, sold its 3pc stake in Bank of America in the first quarter of this year, suffering an estimated $3bn (£2bn) loss, as it refocuses on emerging markets.

              http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/5328118/Temasek-dumps-Bank-of-America-stake.html

              http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=amntz8g737uY

              3. Jeremy Warner: Temasek loses its touch on Barclays

              Outlook Temasek, the Singapore sovereign wealth fund, seems to have lost the plot. Unlike Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed al Nahyan of Abu Dhabi, who has just made a killing from his investment in Barclays, Temasek apparently chose the bottom of the market earlier this year to offload its stake in Barclays, thereby clocking up a loss on the investment of £500m.

              http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/comment/jeremy-warner/jeremy-warner-temasek-loses-its-touch-on-barclays-1696441.html

              Note: All under her purview

    2. LOL, your small handful of commenters (and it’s the same names again and again) are truly followers of Mao, aren’t they.

      Look at the Tenets: “Trojan Horse”, lah. My ass. Sorry, my horse.

      That makes you Mao, right?

      Apa lagi Cina Mao??? Hee hee.

      Still, as you yourself once wisely said:

      “If you try to tell a Malay about another religion other than the one he was born into, you are guilty of a crime punishable with jail. Christian literature is required by law to carry a disclaimer ‘for non-Muslims only’. The Muslim is perfectly free to persuade you that his religion is best. You’re hard pressed to rebut, particularly when – for instance – the bible cannot be published and printed in the national language locally.”

        1. You are too kind Helen,

          As I have said time and again, Tak Suka? Sila BERAMBUS.

          Let me give him/her an example, Indonesia practices religious pluralism, but still they don’t give the Chinese the freedom to practice the Chinese culture, use Chinese name and speak Chinese; except for Chinese New Year which was only allowed after the racial clash. That is how the Indonesian Gomen controls the Chinese.

          Same goes with Singapore, where religious freedom is abundance still the Muslims are not allowed to play loud Azan, there is no funds for Muslims related activities etc. The Muslims in Singapore have become resourceful, innovative and creative due to that wrt addressing their religious needs.

          In Malaysia, up to PRU13, Apa Pun Boleh and in sync with OUR BOLEH LAND mantra except for one thing, the boundary must not be crossed wrt to Islam and Malay. Still this is not enough for them until KALIMAH ALLAH pun diorang nak kebas.

          Moving forward in Malaysia, UMNO/BN will gear up for Muslim-Malay-Centric drivers. As it is, I have seen several things that have been implemented that works in favor of the Muslim-Malays, and there are more to come…..It is going to be Carrot and Stick approach.

          What can they say? They are not represented in the GOMEN. They will get over it….

      1. AC-DC. Is this all you can say insulting an old man ? If you are a Chinaman, you should be ashamed of yourself because your words belie your hollowness, lack of cultural ballast and soul. You only look like a Chinaman. If you are not a Chinaman, go and shorf-circuit yourself if you can live as long and as frutiful as I did. Who are you, God eh ? Worshipper of the brilliant Lee Kuan Yew with his 10 failed Policies for Singapore and wanting desperately for the Singaporean Trojan Horse DAP to save his failed legacy by delivering conquered Malaysia ? YOU SUCK !

      2. AC-DC. I die first, you die second. Happy ? But I got a list of 53 names who thought I die first, the youngest was my son-in-law, 39. I sincerely hope you would not make it to my hallowed list ! Acheh !

  13. HY. References to LKY’s. Failure 7. Vide. Mahubani. The prominent Singaporean diplomat and academician. Failure 8. Vide. Warren Buffet.

  14. I think Malaysia would be at peace for one year if LKS and LGE were to fell sick and could not speak for one year.

    and LKS is many many rungs below Dr M as far as having contributed to the well being of the country.

    next time, tak payah compare LKS dgn Dr M laa, Helen dear.

    1. re: “next time, tak payah compare LKS dgn Dr M laa, Helen dear”

      Yesterday, for the first time, the scales fell off my eyes wrt LKS. Previously, I’ve always treated him, Karpal and the other DAP old-timers with kid gloves.

      I suppose you can say I was disappointed to realise the tree from which the LGE fruit fell (ref. English saying, ‘the fruit does not fall far from the tree’).

        1. A sad day nonetheless. After all, I used to vote DAP.

          They’re going for broke in GE14. It will be catastrophic for the suicidal Chinese community.

  15. The difference between TDM and LKS adalah seperti ibarat ‘Langit dengan bumi’. TDM wins hands down in personality, looks and intellect department, just to name a few. TDM has achieved many greatness in his 22 years as the PM of Malaysia. He has left behind a legacy. What about LKS? Hmm .. I’m racking my brain to find his attribution to the country…. Development – nope; racial harmony – nope.(racial disharmony adalah ) Nothing, zilch, nada, zero ..more of taik gigi!

    1. Aku Melayu. The Tun is one of 7 great Asian Statesmen. These are Pandit Nehru, Jinnah, Mao Tse Tung, Deng Hsio Peng, Soekarno, Ho Chi Minh and the Tun, a Malay who did good for all in our beloved Malaysia. He did not screw down his own people unlike the brilliant Lee Kuan Yew with his 10 failed Policies for Singapore. Vide Singapore Government White Paper on Population 2013. The other person was Hitler.

  16. There are so many denominations, don’t expect the non-Christians to know the difference. Others like Jehovah’s Witness are also quite active.

    There was a time during the 90s, commercial buildings were rented as churches. Not sure if they were the evangelicals. I think it actually started in the 80s.

    As we speak, some Christian groups in western/christian countries are getting more vocal against what they view as persecution of Christians by Muslims. With their strong network worldwide, they are indeed a force not to be taken lightly.

    Many Malay Muslims make the wrong assumption that forcing minorities to assimilate would solve all problems. In fact, it’s the opposite. Minorities here are already integrated with Malaysian society. Many confuse Malaysian society with Malay society. Malays are Muslims. It’s impossible for minorities to assimilate into Malay society because the Malay culture and way of life is inherently Islamic.

    Take a look at the demographics in the Evangelical churches. Majority are middle-class and above, urban, educated, rich even. Most have already obtained or inherited their wealth and live a relatively comfortable life. None considers themselves as their original ethnicity and culture. Actually, they hate the traditions & culture of their ancestors. When people lose their identity or path in life, a vacuum is created.

    Before we point the finger at political parties & politicians, the adults should reflect on whether they are imparting the right values to the young. Do the adults themselves value their culture, ethics and traditions? or do they place too high an importance in lifestyle, money and status in life?

    No matter what the minorities become, change their names, give up their mother tongue, abandon their culture, they will still be unwelcomed, as proven in Indonesia and other countries.

    Today, we have campaigns to abolish Chinese schools, boycott Chinese businesses, etc. while at the same time imposing quotas in public institutions of learning & government contracts. Everything is interconnected. You can’t meddle with one without affecting all. For once, why not bring it into the open & legislate it. I would rather place everything on the table, so that people know what to expect and make informed decisions.

    Politically & socially for the Chinese, their insecurity has been exploited by DAP to their advantage. It’s not wrong to support political parties. But it is morally wrong when it destroys communities to the extent that people hate & fight each other. But many do not realise that whatever they are fighting for, it does not matter who wins or lose, it won’t be permanent. The fact remains that the future is bleak for minorities who cannot co-exist with the majority.

    The Chinese, especially, need to realise that whatever promised by Pakatan is not real. Whoever tries to be more radical, more extreme, more hardline, there’ll always be another who will outdo you.

    The future Malaysia, as I see it, will be an Islamic state.

    1. re: “Politically & socially for the Chinese, their insecurity has been exploited by DAP to their advantage. It’s not wrong to support political parties. But it is morally wrong when it destroys communities to the extent that people hate & fight each other.”

      Agree with you that DAP cultivates Hate.

      Also agree with you that the future of Malaysia is Islamic. If the evangelistas cannot accept that, then we’re going to be in a state of civil ‘war’. The current verbal acrimony will never go away.

      Look at how they’re reacting to the verdict. With that kind of behaviour, I don’t see how they can live peaceably in Malaysia.

      1. Yes, I noticed numerous comments about how the verdict might be used against the Christians in the future. They are speculating on scenarios that has not happened yet and sowing panic among the people.

        Actually, there’s a more sinister motive behind all this. They want to put the government in bad light and push the Muslims to react. In the event of an open conflict, who benefits?

        If there are victims (or people who feel victimised), hence we have saviours. It’s the very essence of the evangelism. We also see the same applied in politics.

    2. “The Chinese, especially, need to realise that whatever promised by Pakatan is not real.”

      how u know?

      “The future Malaysia, as I see it, will be an Islamic state”

      thus yr point is the future is bleak unless we co-exist with the muslim? i thot dap already take the initiative to co-exist with pas so what is the problem?

      1. quote,”i thot dap already take the initiative to co-exist with pas so what is the problem?”unquote.

        like dap’s keeping silent when salons in kelantan were forbidden to put up models pix in the shops?

        that’s not initiative laa…that’s hipocrisy aka berlakon.

        1. re: “like dap’s keeping silent when salons in kelantan were forbidden to put up models pix in the shops? that’s not initiative laa…that’s hipocrisy aka berlakon.”

          DAP keeps silent on everything. Even when a 7-year-old Buddhist girl was kidnapped and converted to Islam against her Chinese father’s wishes.

          Tapi bukan kepalang pandai berlakon, pakai tudung lah, bersahur lah …

          DAP kemaruk kuasa dan gilakan habuan yang diperolehi daripada kekuasaan yang sudah mula dikecapi di P. Pinang, S’gor dan sejenak di Perak. Mereka sanggup buat apa-apa sahaja untuk mengekalkan kuasa serta untuk merampas lebih banyak lagi kuasa.

          1. Re. DAP keeps silent on everything. Even when a 7-year-old Buddhist girl was kidnapped and converted to Islam against her Chinese father’s wishes. Tapi bukan kepalang pandai berlakon, pakai tudung lah, bersahur lah …

            ROTFL, totally agreed with your comment, but as Muslim I side with the authority and the mother.

            1. (1) Let the child decide for herself when she reaches the age of majority.

              (2) The child was conceived and born in a civil marriage. Whereas the Chinese mother, after her conversion to Islam, obtained her divorce in a Syariah Court, i.e. her marriage dissolved unilaterally under Islamic law when the marriage itself had been registered under civil law and should have been ended under civil law too.

              Shortly thereafter, the Syariah Court granted the mother custody without hearing the father.

              In our Malaysian system, the Syariah Court (i) is the inferior court to the Civil Court and (ii) did not have jurisdiction over the Chinese father and the Buddhist little girl.

              (3) The mother, with the connivance of the Islamic religious authority officers, on Nov 8 kidnapped the child from the father’s care when the kid was at school and spirited her across state lines from Penang to Selangor.

              The very next day in Nov 9, Yi Min was converted to Islam. Hullo. Immediately after the ordeal of being kidnapped, we’re supposed to believe that a 7-year-old child from a Chinese school with no previous exposure to Islam and Arabic is overnight able to ucap dua kalimah syahadah?

              (4) How is the conversion valid when the 7-year-old Chinese child cannot possibly understand what she has committed herself to? i.e. the five Rukun Islam and six Rukun Iman. It’s different for a kid brought up by a Muslim family from young in an Islamic environment.

              (5) The mother even changed the girl’s name – originally Tan Yi Min and threw out (erased) the father’s surname – after conversion Yi Min became Eilliyah Fong Abdullah. Note that ‘Tan’ is the surname that the girl was born with. Through the Islamic authorities, the mother changed it to ‘Fong’ after/following her own surname.

              Even in Islam this is WRONG. Any waris must be dinasabkan kepada bapanya. What kind of a person is the mother? If Islam wants converts, then get the sincere ones who are genuine in their profession of faith and not the ones who convert just to spite their estranged husband/wife.

              (6) Given the circumstances, how could the Selangor religious authorities have accepted Tan Yi Min’s ‘conversion’? There is the danger of putting power in the hands of mullahs who do not possess any other professional qualification and thus will keep expanding the state’s intrusion into the lives of Muslims (and non-Muslims).

              In other words, while the ordinary Malay earns his living from working as an engineer or architect or banker, these religious bureaucrats will create more and more fatwa, and catch more and more Muslims for various wrongdoings (i.e. eating during puasa month ke, clubbing ke, joining beauty contest ke, wearing sleeveless blouse ke) to justify why these mullahs are being kept in their jobs and paid a salary by the Penang/Selangor state govts.

              https://helenang.wordpress.com/2011/08/20/butir-butir-kes-murtad-di-pulau-pinang/

              1. I don’t disagree with your comment and opinion at all. As I said, as Muslim I have to side with the mother and the authority.

                The GOMEN is not that wicked btw, there are cases where non Muslim children converted by parent or self-converted under age, where the rights are given to non-Muslim parent.

                1. The case of Siti Aishah an underage Chinese Girl who converted to Islam, but was asked by the court to remain as Buddhist. She was asked to come back to court after she reach 18 year old and decide. She did and remain a Muslim.

                2. There is also case of three Indian boys whose father has converted to Islam and has also converted the boys to become Muslim. The court has also ordered the father to return the boys to the other.

                I tried to find the articles but couldn’t locate it.

                  1. That’s why the Hindraf Indians and to a less visible extent the Taoist/Buddhist Chinese are unhappy.

                    Both Islam and Christianity are proselytizing religions. Teenagers do convert due to peer pressure and influence.

                    1. Re. Both Islam and Christianity are are proselytizing religions.

                      It is very true, but unlike the Christian we don’t go door to door and used all sort of antics to convince people from becoming Muslim. Remember the case a tuition center in Taman Desa or somewhere gave free tuition to Malays students and at the same time teaching them about Christianity?

                      Murid dedah diajar nyanyi lagu Kristian
                      FMT Staff
                      JPN Wilayah Persekutuan siasat murid tahun satu Sekolah Kebangsaan Seri Setia diajar nyanyi lagu Kristian.

                      http://dialograkyat.blogspot.com/2011/08/murid-dedah-diajar-nyanyi-lagu-kristian.html

                      Or the church go from house to house to give monthly supply and money to the poor Malay Muslims.

                      Tiada paksaan dalam Islam:

                      http://ridhuantikim.blogspot.com/2009/10/tiada-paksaan-dalam-islam.html

                      At the mosque that I frequent there are many occasions where the Chinese or Indian convert to Islam, due to either just passing by the Mosque on daily basis or talking to the Muslim around the area. The Imam or Mosque committee members don’t go around and proselytizing.

                1. Am aware of case (2).

                  The Islamic bureaucracy of the state government under DAP-Lim Guan Eng is more likely to be guilty of condoning injustices done to non-Muslims as in the case of Tan Yi Min.

                  Reasons why this is so:

                  (1) Religion is a state matter and in the states where there is a Raja Melayu, then he is the head of Islam. Unfortunately, Penang does not have a Sultan to be the head of Islam to take matters in hand like how the Sultan of Selangor had the final say on the DUMC matter.

                  Leaving things to the Iguana Eng, he will most definitely NOT stand up to deliver justice to Tan Yi Min because her father has only one vote and no voice. Furthermore, 90 percent of the Chinese vote is already wrapped up by the DAP and nothing anyone can say can possibly dent the hero worship accorded by the Chinese to the Lim ‘Heavenly Kings’ Dynasty. So the plight of Mr Tan means zilch to the DAP and costs them nothing to ignore.

                  (2) Instead, the Iguana Eng will choose not to risk offending the Muslims in any way because he wants to snare the Malay votes. In the case of Tan Yi Min, you (LOL) have said that you would still side the mualaf mother and Islamic authorities even though you do not dispute my arguments. As we have witnessed in the Tan Yi Min affair, the Iguana kept a deafening silence and did not rock the boat in any way.

                  (3) A Malay who is sure of his standing, say a Zaid Ibrahim or a Tengku Razaleigh, is more likely to be speaking up for a Chinese caught in Yi Min’s predicament. Kalau nak harapkan Guan Eng, tak payah lah.

                  (4) The Iguana is on a charm offensive (styling himself as Khalifah Umar Abdul Aziz, using the word “wukuf”, quoting hadith/Quran, citing the glory of the Islamic civilization) to ampu-bodek the Melayu to get the votes. The ultimate objective is, of course, power and the money it brings like Endless Possibilities provided by the undersea tunnel project and the quid pro quo exchange (reclamation of land by the construction China company in tandem with the building of the tunnel) which could be worth up to RM25 billion in the Gurney Drive residential area, according to latest reports.

                  So what is the value of one Tan Yi Min weighed against the pot of gold (billions RM) at the end of the Iguana’s rainbow.

                  (5) To curry favour and win Malay votes, the first institution that the DAP and Guan Eng’s evangelical coterie pander to is the Islamic bureaucracy. In comparison, a born Muslim, such as Syed Akhbar Ali for example, or even Dr MAZA the ex-Perlis Mufti, have dared to be critical or to voice their objections/dissent. Add Dr M to the list (he weighed in on the Sedili surau demolition issue).

                  While a small fraction of Malays are willing to be counter how Islamic bureaucracy is run, the last person willing to be critical is the Iguana and his evangelical coterie b’cos they’ve committed themselves to their pious playacting (khalifah, wear tudung, pakai songkok, bersahur).

                  (6) Hence it is very asinine for the Chinese oppo supporters to expect the DAP to protect them from the excesses of the Islamic enforcement authorities. Instead the Iguana will be the first to throw them to the wolves, lagi-lagi if the “them” are dark-skinned Indians — c.f. the child custody fights and bodysnatching cases involving Hindus vs the Islamic agencies.

                  (7) Dapsters have so much hatred for Umno that they are blinded as to how the evangelical force in the party they so fanatically support is really, really bad for the Chinese, as illustrated by the way the Tan Yi Min case has been met with a thundering silence on the part of the Chinese-Christian DAP.

                  1. Re. A who is sure of his standing, say a Zaid Ibrahim or a Tengku Razaleigh

                    Zahid Ibrahim is a liberal Muslim Malay thus his standing is different from moderate and conservative Malay Muslim. I together with other moderate and conservative Malay Muslims are equally sure about our standing as much as Zahid does about his.

                    I studied eastern religions in college thus I have enough understanding to respect other religion. If you notice, never once I question or insult other religion unnecessarily except in retaliation over rude comments. That is why i rarely engage in prolong argument wrt religion, as I stand by “My religion is my Religion, to you is yours”. At the same time, “Di Mana Bumi Dipijak, Di Situ Langit Dijunjung” rule applies and I have explained about these few times in your blog.

                    I can’t really comment about Tengku Razaleigh though.

                    The Chinese in Malaysian doesn’t know the importance of being represented in the government. To them money aka economic power can buy everything and they are going after the winner take it all. UMNO/BN will now show them what does winner take it all their way. If the situation were to be reversed, the Malays would have suffered even worst; Singapore and Penang are two prime examples.

                    1. re: “To them money aka economic power can buy everything”

                      Urm, remember the video clip where the Malay crowd in PWTC were chanting “KJ rasuah, KJ rasuah, KJ rasuah, KJ rasuah, KJ rasuah!”? Well guess what, he won the Pemuda contest … twice, heh heh heh.

                    2. KJ is just one sad case and story, I have explained that his being there due to the fact that the there was “a gentleman agreement” between the FIL and UMNO/BN ( for the earlier to step down), second he may have won the second term but that doesn’t represent the voice of the real ordinary UMNO grassroots on the street.

                      Money aka economic power can surely buy a lot things but not everything and everybody. For instance Najib went around town to please the Chinese with goodies prior to PRU13 and he fail, but he prevails despite he was seen as sidelining the Malay needs, majority of the Malays in return supported him not because of the goodies but because there is more to it i.e. our religion first and race second is at stake based on what happens in Penang and Selangor after PRU12.

      2. HY,

        People tend to forget about those who support BN, even if it’s 49% if I’m not wrong… which translates to how many in terms of absolute numbers? Pakatan knows that the Chinese had suffered fools. Just ask Anwar, LKS, LGE. Anwar promised you the Malay support, then promised to retire. LKS & LGE promised you first-class citizenship, among other things. what on earth is a first-class citizen anyway? Is that real?

        And what do you make of a Christian shaving her head in a Chinese temple? What is the significance of the act? Is that real?

        There is not a place in the world where minorities who rise up against the majority government and expect to live a happy life. If fact, it’s suicidal. Now, that is real.

        DAP & PAS is cooperation. There’s a difference between co-existing and infiltrating. It’s in the intention. I’m not sure if you have any experience co-existing in a Muslim environment. If you have, you will see DAP’s actions as plain as day. That is also real.

        1. Gig, thanks, i have a hard time to understand yr pov though

          what is the absolute number of 51% then and what exactly is yr point? to me being partisan is common.

          i dont recall anwar did promise malay support, he did however mentioned tak kira melayu cina india dll. and the real thing is not many would believe it is real when anwar promise to retire. u just think back yr first reaction on anwar promise, u laugh right?

          i dont know what is not real about first class citizen for all, regardless their interpretation of what is first class, isnt that means fair and equal for everyone?

          shaving head is form of protest, perhaps to a christian is a form of thy sorrow, real or not real not many cares, and I think the significance part is no buddhist bother to protest or complain when a christian perform her stunt in a temple.

          and since when the minority rise up against a majority govt? 49% a majority? pas n pkr not majority? vote pr is rise up?

          i was with pas n pkr member day n night during the ge period, I dun know shall I call this co-existing, my neighbor give my kids green packet every raya and I give their kids red packet every cny, do u take this as co-existing?

          okay I admit I am being sarcastic on the dap pas “co-existing”, however what make u think cooperation is not a form of co-existing, at least in the political context? n pray tell how to infiltrate into a for muslim only party?

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