Perkasa telah memuatkan sebuah rencana bertajuk ‘Untuk Bangsa Saya‘ karangan Ustaz Ridhuan Tee Abdullah dalam laman sesawang pertubuhan tersebut pada 16 Okt 2013.
Saya ada satu soalan bagi pembaca blog.
Adakah anda setuju untuk anak (ataupun cucu) anda menyaksikan lembu disembelih di sekolah?
Sekadar bertanya.
http://perkasaonline.com.my/index.php/component/k2/item/273-untuk-bangsa-saya
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Helen Ang 
No. It should not be allowed in schools. Period.
Then, apa saja program keagamaan dan kebudayaan di SJKC dan SJKT shouldn’t be allowed.
Tidak ditegah untuk mengadakan majlis menyambut Hari Raya Aidil Adha di sekolah.
Isunya hanya berkisar kepada proses sembelihan. Sila baca penjelasan dan pendirian Timbalan Menteri Pelajaran II YB Kamalanathan, http://www.cikgushashi.com/?p=3769
Helen,
And Kamalanathan’s boss (Idris Jusoh) already disagreed with Kamalanathan.
What is the issue actually? Offending Hindus sensitivity?
It is an islamic ritual. it is not meant to offend Hindus. If sensitivity is the issue, then why not ban pig rearing as well. as we know countless complaints on unbearable stench. And in one incident in Penang, Pig waste are intentionally channeled to “sawah padi”.
The issue starts when someone make a big issue out of it. Now Muslims are advise to show restraint. Nobody wants to advise the complainant that it is a religious obligation and it is done in land called Tanah Melayu” previously. it is tantamount that a guest complaining that he cant stand the lord of the house’s method.
re: “It is an islamic ritual. It is not meant to offend Hindus.”
The Hindus were not complaining about Islam or Islamic rituals or deliberately trying to offend Muslims. All they said was that the location, i.e. inside a Sekolah Kebangsaan, is not appropriate.
kenapa pula tak sesuai?!
jika sebegitu sebarang upacara keagamaan jangan buat di kawasan awam! sila buat dipremis yg dibenar shj..
kepada persoalan samada setuju atau tidak amalan korban didedahkan kpd anak kecil, lebih baik sebarang upacara keagamaan bukan Islam dilarang dari didedahkan kpd anak2 bukan Islam juga!
bagi aku adalah tidak salah pendedahan berkenaan ini kerana mereka perlu tahu dari mana asalnya makanan mereka, jangan jadi hipokrit la!! kalau tak rela tgk haiwan disembelih untuk dagingnya jangan makan langsung!! jadi vegetarian sahaja!!
re: “kenapa pula tak sesuai?!”
Pendapat Datin Azimah dan Syed Akbar Ali,
http://syedsoutsidethebox.blogspot.com/2013/10/schools-are-not-slaughter-houses-noor.html
Helen,
One one person complained, not entire Hindu community.
I fail to see why it is not appropriate.
http://syedsoutsidethebox.blogspot.com/2013/10/schools-are-not-slaughter-houses-noor.html
Re. Pendapat Datin Azimah dan Syed Akbar Ali
Both are not religious scholars to begin with. They can comment about the inappropriateness of the venue but not about the spirit of the “Kurban Ritual” wrt to Muslim children.
As for Syed Akhbar Ali, all I can say is that he is the liberal Muslim who just likes to shoot his mouth out with even bother to understand the basis behind certain Islamic practices. He had commented several before.
re: “inappropriateness of the venue”
Yes, the crux of the matter is the venue (we’re discussing “social”) and not the ibadah (we’re not having a “religious” debate).
And they commented because it’s an issue occurring in the Malaysian context. Maybe if they do this in an Arab country, there are ‘no’ Hindus who go to school there to be protesting.
Would the Muslim religious scholars who write about korban mention anything about it being carried out in national schools in plural societies with a sizeably large number of non-Muslims?
Re. inappropriateness of the venue
I am not saying that I agree with their view on inappropriateness of the venue, it is just their personal opinion.
Re. Would the Muslim religious scholars who write about korban mention anything about it being carried out in national schools in plural societies with a sizeably large number of non-Muslims?
I have mentioned this before in other entry that “Dimana bumi dipijak, Diisitu langit dijunjung” rule applies.
re: “Dimana bumi dipijak, Diisitu langit dijunjung”
Bumi yang dipijak is flexible enough to evolve and accommodate minorities, for example Keith Elison became the first American congressman to take his oath of office on a Quran.
The tradition is to take the oath on a Bible. The Congress accommodated him despite the custom of the land being Christian. They did not force him to take his oath on a Bible (the masuk kandang kambing mengembik rule).
Keith Elison took his oath of office as an American Congressman by swearing on a Quran.
The custom is to swear on the Bible but Congress did not force him to abide by the rule that masuk kandang kambing mengembik.
Bumi yang dipijak can evolve to accommodate minorities. Hey, the Malays borrowed our angpow custom for your celebration by giving out duit Raya in green envelopes.
Re. Bumi yang dipijak is flexible enough to evolve and accommodate minorities, for example Keith Elison became the first American congressman to take his oath of office on a Quran.
The Muslims don’t believe in Bible, and it is a sin and “syirik” to take oath of office on the Bible. The Injil that we believe in is no longer around in its original form.
You comparing two different scenarios here.
You said: “Is not about anti DAP di blog ini. It is about our right as Muslims to practice our religious rights as where and when it deem fits. It is not like we do it in SJKC and SJKT, or Temple or Church. Dimana Bumi Dipijak Disitu Langit Dijunjung.”
Quote: Your religious rights as where and when it deem fits.
Even though the Congressman is a minority, he was allowed to practise his religious rights as a non-Christian.
Just because the bumi that he pijak is Christian doesn’t mean that the Christians will exert their will against his wishes.
I think I have given you few examples before i.e. no loud azan in Singapore, no high mosque minaret in Switzerland, no Hijab in certain countries which are still tolerable and acceptable by the Muslims.
Oath by definition means “a solemn promise, often invoking a divine witness, regarding one’s future action or behavior.”
According to the Bible, Jesus is God, Son of God and the Holy Spirit, but to Muslim, Jesus is the prophet. By taking oath on the bible, one is making a solemn promise and with reference to the Christian scripture and Jesus as witness. If a Muslim is doing this, it is considered as an act of syirik.
Therefore what the evangelistas are demanding wrt kalimah Allah is confirmed syirik.
Exactly.
Not only one person complained. Below is a press statement by the MCCBCHST (Malaysian Consultative Council for Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Sikhism and Taoism) in November 2011.
Respect the religious sensitivities in schools
“We have been informed by the Malaysian Hindu Sangam, a component of the Malaysian Consultative Council for Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Sikhism and Taoism (MCCBCHST) that a ritualistic sacrificing of cows in conjunction with the forthcoming Hari Raya Haji celebrations will be held in schools on a school day in the presence of students.
We hold a dim view of this purported activity in front of our multi-racial and multicultural student population as it ignores the sensitivity of our school-going children and the larger mixed Malaysian society.
We call upon the relevant authorities to respect the sensitivities of our multi-religious society and implore them to halt this ritualistic ceremony in our schools.
We hold that the school is not the right place for the performance of this ritual that pertains only to the Muslim community. lt does not augur well for the promotion of harmony and peace among our varied peoples.
The maintenance and promotion of peace and harmonious living should be the prime concern and focus of education authorities among our students and not instil hate, suspicion disgust in them in their formative years.
MCCBCHST pray and hope for good sense to reign among us and call upon the
authorities to do the needful and put a stop to this ritual of sacrificing cows before our students before it escalates in to something undesirable in the future.
God bless this Nation of ours – Blessed, Bountiful and Beautiful.”
Tan Hoe Chieow
President
MCCBCHST
Sardar Jagir Singh
Deputy President
MCCBCHST
The Hindus were not complaining about Islam or Islamic rituals or deliberately trying to offend Muslims. All they said was that the location, i.e. inside a Sekolah Kebangsaan, is not appropriate.
Alasan pelik. Bila sambutan AidilAdha mestilah ada kaitan dgn sembelihan korban. Jgn gunakan alasan. Jikalau begitu, jgn sambut apa2 perayaan penyembahan dwewi hindu di SJKT. SJKT juga sekolah milik kerajaan. Buat aja di kuil. SJKT juga ada murid bukan India.
Kalau lembu suci sgt , oklah, lepas ni kita panggil kaum India dgn nama Kaum Lembu? Yg pelik bila penternak lembu kaum India sendiri merotan belakang bontot lembu.
Korban should be allowed at school. For academic reason as well as practical reason. Some students nowdays only have parents who only receive daging korban but have never seen how these animals are slaughtered themselves.
Students have the choice not to attend the ceremony kalau pengecut and teachers should guide them to make the choice.
Lokasi korban sepatut tidak menjadi isu di Malaysia.
Totally agreed.
Slaughtering an animal is a dirty occasion. The slaughter should be done in a proper abattoir where they can drain the blood and cut the carcass.
Unless its in an open space like kampung or in your private land,m its OK, but not at a public school which can expose students to unhygienic environment, plus sensitivity issue to other religions.
Jangan nak jadi dangkal sebab perasaan anti DAP di blog ini. Gunalah common sense
Re. Slaughtering an animal is a dirty occasion
“Tidak ada satu amalan anak Adam di hari-hari Nahar (Hari-hari ‘Eidul Adha) yang paling Allah sukai selain daripada menumpahkan darah (sembelih), kerana ia (binatang korban) itu akan datang di hari kiamat nanti dengan tanduk dan kukunya dan bulu-bulunya (sebagai saksi ke atas ibadah korban tuannya), dan sesungguhnya darah (binatang korban itu) akan tumpah di sisi Allah di suatu tempat sebelum tumpah ke bumi, oleh itu pilihlah olehmu binatang terbaik (paling menarik) untuk dikorbankan. ” (Hadis riwayat Hakim, Ibnu Majah dan Tirmizi dan dianggap sebagai Hadis Hasan Gharib)”
Note. I am sure whether you have attended one or not, but the people who are doing it are the skilled one and you can see right after the occasion within hours the area was clean and clear by them.
Re. The slaughter should be done in a proper abattoir where they can drain the blood and cut the carcass.
How many abattoir are there around? For instance, I live in B Bintang area, the last Hariraya Korban, the Ibadah Korban was done at the Mosque compound and few others within the Flat DBKL area. I have written about this, that one of the was done about 50 meters away from the Hindu Temple.
Re. but not at a public school which can expose students to unhygienic environment, plus sensitivity issue to other religions.
Is the korban being done during school days? Are the non-Muslim students are invited or is it a compulsory attendance for them?
Re. Jangan nak jadi dangkal sebab perasaan anti DAP di blog ini. Gunalah common sense.
Is not about anti DAP di blog ini, It is about our right as Muslims to practice our religious rights as where and when it deem fits. It is not like we do it in SJKC and SJKT, or Temple or Church.
Dimana Bumi Dipijak Disitu Langit Dijunjung.
re: “It is not like we do it in SJKC and SJKT”
This merits further discussion. Sekolah Kebangsaan is not Sekolah Agama.
The 1Sekolah Untuk Semua people want to place children of all races under one roof in the SKs.
If the SSUS campaign has its way and the vernacular schools are abolished, then when you do it in the SKs, pupils belonging to other faiths will be exposed to an environment akin to one like an Islamic school.
Such schools – where korban is carried out in their compound — do not have a secular nature. Therefore ultimately the 1Sekolah concept will be placing Hindu children, Christian children, Buddhist children, Taoist children, Sikh children, Bahai children etc in a Sekolah Agama.
We cross the bridge once we reach it…
Tak setuju jika dibuat di sekolah. Kurang sesuai. Banyak lagi tempat lain yang boleh. Terpulang kepada ulamak dan para bijak-pandai untuk memberi maklumat terperinci.
Bangsa Melayu Islam patut berKORBAN untuk agama Islam. Korban sikap agar tidak menjadi bangsa apologetik dalam hal-hal agama tapi menangani isu tentangan non muslim cara Rasulullah.
Sokong. Rujuklah kepada Sunnah Rasullullah dalam menangani isu ini. InsyaAllah berjaya menambat hati ramai kepada Islam.
sikit2x apologetik.. sudah-sudahlah tu.. takde kaitan dgn isu apologetik… bangsa aku atau bangsa engkau.. takde kaitan semua tu.. tak sesuai langsung…
nak buat jugak buatlah kat tempat penyembelihan khas makanan halal yg dah memang sah bersih sebab tempat terbuka byk kuman ..tak payah nak merumitkan keadaan atau nak tunjuk keislaman tak bertempat.
Tak pernah lagi jumpa orang mati kena cirit birit infection salmonella makan daging lembu korban….
Yg mai dari slaughter house duduk kat shelf supermarket pulak yang banyak kuman.
Besides, setiap tanah atas dunia ni kan hak Allah, ikut suka la aku nak titiskan darah korban kat mana.
Nak2 aku nak ikut hadith, orang yang berkorban patut menyaksikan titisan darah tersebut. Kalau buat slaughterhouse orang nu tak boleh masuk orang ni tak boleh masuk. Lainla slaughter house tu macam futsal court.
Re. Tak pernah lagi jumpa orang mati kena cirit birit infection salmonella makan daging lembu korban….
Totally agreed.
Re. Besides, setiap tanah atas dunia ni kan hak Allah, ikut suka la aku nak titiskan darah korban kat mana.
Of course we won’t do it in Church and Temple compound. There is boundary that we have to respect.
Re. Nak2 aku nak ikut hadith, orang yang berkorban patut menyaksikan titisan darah tersebut.
“Tidak ada satu amalan anak Adam di hari-hari Nahar (Hari-hari ‘Eidul Adha) yang paling Allah sukai selain daripada menumpahkan darah (sembelih), kerana ia (binatang korban) itu akan datang di hari kiamat nanti dengan tanduk dan kukunya dan bulu-bulunya (sebagai saksi ke atas ibadah korban tuannya), dan sesungguhnya darah (binatang korban itu) akan tumpah di sisi Allah di suatu tempat sebelum tumpah ke bumi, oleh itu pilihlah olehmu binatang terbaik (paling menarik) untuk dikorbankan. ” (Hadis riwayat Hakim, Ibnu Majah dan Tirmizi dan dianggap sebagai Hadis Hasan Gharib)
Para sahabat pernah bertanya Rasulullah SAW : “Ya Rasulullah apakah yang dimaksudkan dengan Udhiyyah?”
Rasulullah Saw menjawab: “ Itulah sunnah bapamu Ibrahim.”
Para sahabat bertanya lagi : “Apakah yang kita akan perolehi daripada ibadah Udhiyyah?”
Baginda menjawab : “ Tiap helai bulu (dari binatang yang dikorbankan) kamu akan mendapat satu kebaikan.” (Hadis riwayat Ahmad dan Ibnu Majah)
“Barangsiapa yang diberikan kemudahan, sehingga memampukan dia untuk berkorban, akan tetapi dia tidak mahu berkorban, maka janganlah dia mendekati tempat solat kami (masjid) ini.” (Hadis riwayat Ahmad dan Ibnu Majah)
(Lihat nas al-Quran Surah al-Haj : 36-37)”
Please read here for further information.
http://www.jim.org.my/v1/index.php/artikel/artikel-pilihan/439-ibadah-qurban-menurut-pandangan-islam
The following is an educational video on Mercy Halal Islamic Slaughter [YouTube]
Tulah aku kata jgn rumitkn keadaan.. kalao ko dah tarik masuk Allah dlm isu ni.. mmh memanglah dead end… ini bukan soal engko nak titiskan darah korban ke ape… ini soal mengambil kire sensitiviti kaum lain… kita hidup bermsyrkt yg pelbagai kaum kene fikir jugak..
aku bukan nak memenangkan kaum si polan… aku nak kite berfikir secara sivik.. sekolah tmpt belajr.. kekalkan mcm tu… nak buat ibadah korban byk pilihan lain tanpa perlu menyentuh sensitiviti kaum lain… aku berckp soal sekolah.. so jgnlah nak kaitkan plak dgn isu thaipusam atas jln rayalah hapalah.. takde lagi org bawa kavadi cucuk muka jelir lidah buat muka mcm kene rasuk kat sekolah ye…
isu dia kenapa perlu buat di sekolah bile kita tahu amalan tertentu mungkin menyinggung perasaan kaum lain.. jgn sulitkan keadaan.. jgn plak lepas ni ungkit bab sembahyanglah.. ibadah puasalah.. fokus pada isu sembelih haiwan utk ibadah korban di sekolah.
isunya lembu yg biasa jadi korban adalah haiwan suci dlm agama hindu dan tak boleh dibunuh dlm kepercayaan mereka.. wlaupun dia tahu org agama lain makan haiwan suci yg dianggap sebagai dewa atau tuhan oleh mereka dan mereka tahu org melayu akan sembelih tuhan mereka pada raya korban ni..
tpi isu dia perlukah kita buat tu depan mata mereka di tempat yg sepatutnya menempatkan semua anak2x Malaysia yg berbagai kaum utk belajar bersama.. belajar mengenali… disini guru2x perlu mainkan peranan.. kalo sekolah agama oklah takpelah.. kita faham.. kalau tempat tu majoriti melayu oklah takpelah… tpi kalau ko duduk kat kwsn yg ade populasi penduduk bercampur2x mcm mana… nak buat jugak?
…skrg isu dia kita kena rasional… tu pun kalau anda sangggup… atau masih juga nak guna Allah utk menutup isu ni.. kalo mcm tu memang org melayu kurang kesedaran sivik.. islam mengajar manusia utk mengenali antara kaum yg dijadikan berlain2x.. ni bende yg bukan jadi isu jgn dibuat isu… tpi kalao ikut budaya kabilah arab memanglah anti dan tak bertolak ansur dgn budaya yg dorang anggap kafir….
Tapi aku tau semuanya politik… melayu tak kan mengalah kerana beranggapan ini isu mencabar kedaulatan budaya agama dan tanah mereka…. dan aku mmh yah mungkin di anggap kafir… dlm sistem pemerintahan arab boleh dipancung kerana bagi pendpt mcm ni… nasib baik malaysia amalkan sistem demokrasi.
Re. Tapi aku tau semuanya politik… melayu tak kan mengalah kerana beranggapan ini isu mencabar kedaulatan budaya agama dan tanah mereka…. dan aku mmh yah mungkin di anggap kafir… dlm sistem pemerintahan arab boleh dipancung kerana bagi pendpt mcm ni… nasib baik malaysia amalkan sistem demokrasi.
Read you statement and Muhasabah Diri.
sentiasa…dan tulah aku bersyukur malaysia belum lagi jadi teokratik sepenuhnya mcm saudi dan iran.
Re. jadi teokratik sepenuhnya mcm saudi
Kalay faham tentang udang-undang syariah, lebih elok tidak berkata apa-apa.
Re. Iran
Iran mengamalkan ajaran Syiah yang bertentangan dengan Ahli Sunnah dan Islam yang sebenar.
Pembetulan
Kalau tak faham tentang udang-undang syariah, lebih elok tidak berkata apa-apa.
aku nak minum bir sebotol di tempat terbuka mcm restoran… apa hukumnanye dlm undang2x shariah?… dlm undang2x ala wesatminter barat selagi aku tak mabuk menganggu ketenteraman awam dan bawa kereta dlm keadaan mabuk aku tak di hukum… aku nak tau?
1. Ikut undang-undang Islam, ARAK ITU HARAM. Di Malaysia ini walaupun agama rasminya Islam, penguatsaan undang-undang Islam masih belum lagi dijalankan secara meluas dan terperinci.
Sebagai individu, itu hak kau untuk minumarak atau tidak, tapi sebagai seorang Islam kau sepatutnya tidak melakukannya.
“Hai orang-orang yang beriman! Sesungguhnya arak, judi, berhala, dan undian adalah kotor dari perbuatan syaitan. Oleh karena itu jauhilah dia supaya kamu bahagia. Syaitan hanya bermaksud untuk mendatangkan permusuhan dan kebencian di antara kamu disebabkan khamar dan judi, serta menghalangi kamu ingat kepada Allah dan sembahyang. Apakah kamu tidak mau berhenti?” (al-Maidah: 90-91)
http://media.isnet.org/islam/Qardhawi/Halal/2011833.html
2. Mempermainkan hukum Allah itu adalah sesuatu yang dilarang dan ditegah sama sekali dan boleh jatuh kufur jika melakukannya.
a. Enam pegawai ATM ditangkap minum arak
http://www.bharian.com.my/bharian/articles/EnampegawaiATMditangkapminumarak/m/mArticle
b. JAWI tahan 2 atlet Terengganu
Dalam operasi sehingga jam 4 pagi itu, JAWI menahan 30 individu Islam termasuk 12 wanita dipercayai minum arak sambil berhibur di kelab dangdut.
http://www.bharian.com.my/bharian/articles/JAWItahan2atletTerengganu/Article
c. Harian Metro * myMetro
DUA wanita Islam berbaju kurung yang diperiksa penguatkuasa JAWI kerana disyaki meminum minuman keras di sebuah premis hiburan di Jalan Raja Alang, KL, sebentar tadi
http://www.carigold.com/portal/forums/showthread.php?t=458735
Note. There are many more news about this.
Re. dan aku mmh yah mungkin di anggap kafir… dlm sistem pemerintahan arab boleh dipancung kerana bagi pendpt mcm ni… nasib baik malaysia amalkan sistem demokrasi.
a. Lima sifat perosak iman punca kufur
http://www.bharian.com.my/articles/Limasifatperosakimanpuncakufur/Article/
b. 6 (Enam) Hal Menjadikan Sebab KEKUFURAN
http://qurandansunnah.wordpress.com/2010/03/16/6-enam-hal-menjadikan-sebab-kekufuran/
Kufur?…mmh aku ajak berfikir secara rasional sebab isu ni melibatkan kaum lain.. tpi ko terus kata aku kufur..
bro terus terang kalo disuruh aku pilih sistem khalifah teokratik ato sekular demokrasi.. aku pilih sekuler demokrasi… o kekufuran itu ukuran yg engko bagi utk aku yg menyokong idea yg berbeza dgn engko..
kalao nak ckp sombong degil sombong tak nak mengalah.. terlalu subjektif.. engko pun sama.. tpi yelah aku tau kau percaya ko melakukan amanat tuhan… aku pun percaya aku buat amanat tuhan cuma engko punya religious conviction tu overload sgt… tu pasal ko kata aku kufur.
Re. ko terus kata aku kufur.
Did I say that you are “Kufur”. I did remind you to read your statement and muhasabah diri.
“dan aku mmh yah mungkin di anggap kafir… dlm sistem pemerintahan arab boleh dipancung kerana bagi pendpt mcm ni… nasib baik malaysia amalkan sistem demokrasi.”
With regards to that I gave you the link to further understand the meaning of “Kufur” dan sebab-sebab menjadi kufur. Who are you to judge and tell every followers of this blog Muslim and non-Muslims about “dlm sistem pemerintahan arab boleh dipancung kerana bagi pendpt mcm ni”. Are you an expert in the Middle east syariah law and study.
Menuduh orang lain mengkafirkan orang lain itu satu dosa, inikan pula menuduh seorang Islam itu secara langsung secara sebagai kafir,
Re. kalao nak ckp sombong degil sombong tak nak mengalah.. terlalu subjektif.. engko pun sama
And you are what? the liberal Muslim who are expert in Syariah law who would like to champion the Hindu course?
Re. aku pun percaya aku buat amanat tuhan cuma engko punya religious conviction tu overload sgt
Overloaded religious conviction? Care to explain further…
first aku bukan melayu tpi lahir dlm keluarga islam second aku ni bukan liberal sgt.. org liberal dia boleh terime gay dan lesbian.. aku anti gay.. aku tak suka golongan pondan.. aku pun tak makan babi pasal mungkin dah budaya aku tak suka makan binatang hodoh tu.. tapi aku minum bir sekali sekala.. tuak dan tapai waktu kaamatan dulu..
aku juga anti dap… org liberal dia suka dap.. aku memang anti dap yg memang terkenal dgn hipokrasi dan majoriti ahlinya adalah golongan cina sombong yg suka memandang rendah org lain..
psl undang2x shariah… aku memang tak berminat nak tahu.. psl tgok jelah contoh yg ada saudi tu.. perempuan haram bawa kete… kes fayhan ghamdi tu.. mengarut je bagi aku… sejarah shariah sendiri wujud dr peraturan kabilah arab…m ereka guna istilah islam utk menguniversalkan peraturan dan budaya misoginistik mereka..
kang nanti lepas ni bile undang2x shariah wujud.. aku tak boleh tgok perempuan menyanyi di tempat awam.. tak boleh tgok rambut perempuan.. tak berkenan aku mcm tu.. tapi dlm negara demokrasi sekular semua tu aku takde masalah.. aku nak dating dn gf aku pun takde hal.. negara islam kang nanti payah.. org dating pun dia sibuk nak jaga.. kat negara sekuler asalkan jgn buat projek tempat awam (aksi sumbang melampau) dah lah..
byklah aku tak suka… negara sekular dia tak kan sibuk hal peribadi engko melainkan engko adalah ancaman kepada negara…. overloaded religious conviction plak… bile engko boleh minum bir dgn aku nanti aku bagi tau.
Mundu,
Re. bile engko boleh minum bir dgn aku nanti aku bagi tau.
I have written about who I was before i.e “Circuit Party Boy” (not just in KL fyi) in response to similar comment/argument regarding Islam from another Muslim. I am not one of those guys who wears skull cap (kupiah) and serban, simply said “I am not a Saint” to begin with.
I didn’t go to Islamic School before, though I have basic religious study, and I am currently not a preacher of any sort or involved in any related religious organization.
Thing changes, people change, time changes and I have also changed overtime. As a Muslim I am still learning about Islam and will continue to learn every single day of my life, In Syaa Allah. I hope you will one day too.
Banyak perkara yg aku bersetuju dgn Ridhuan Tee. Tapi tidak semestinya dia betul semua. Dia bebas mengutarakan pandangannya. Ini Malaysia maaa.. LIBERAL, PROGRESSIVE and CENTRIST
I believe this can be solved if the government regulate slaughter procedures. Make it compulsory for sluaghter to be done at proper place like a abattoir or places that can sufficiently maintain hygiene.
This will solve the religious sensitivities issue.
The same with other religious event, like bunga api, burning giant colok, processions, must be regulated properly.
I read one comment in the Internet proposing that 1Malaysia abattoirs be built within the school compound. Then some Umno crony can also be given the contract to carry out this project nationwide.
Re. I read one comment in the Internet proposing that 1Malaysia abattoirs be built within the school compound
How many schools are actually doing it on yearly basis around Malaysia that merits this?
Re. Then some Umno crony can also be given the contract to carry out this project nationwide.
Better than giving it to Scissorati and the likes as what has been practiced by KJ.
re: “How many schools are actually doing it on yearly basis around Malaysia that merits this?”
Urm, I’m presuming the commenter was being sarcastic but then again, there are so many con-sultants stalking the corridors of power, I wouldn’t be surprised at outlandish projects that are approved and given allocation by the Treasury.
As for KJ and expensive projects … urm, Monsoon Cup? And his ministry’s Youth programmes?
I do hope the Public Accounts people will scrutinize closely (make that rake through with a fine toothcomb) all the spending by the Kementerian Belia dan Sukan.
Re. As for KJ and expensive projects … urm, Monsoon Cup? And his ministry’s Youth programmes?
Did you read the article about him acting in Elaine Daly’s short film? He is going full force doing his outreach program in every single space that he can think of. I am not surprise 4 years down the line, the 7 millions new eligible voters are going to root for him.
Don’t get me wrong, I like Elaine Daly, she is a good actress. I watched her once in of the Malay TV movies. Though she won both Miss Malaysia World and Universe, one after another, I don’t think that she is a Beauty Queen material at international level, “too androgenic” in my opinion. But I digress. Anyhow, her current association with KJ will mean more potential business for her production company. Very smart of her indeed.
P.S. I don’t think she belongs to the 5% Chinese.
re: “I am not surprise 4 years down the line, the 7 millions new eligible voters are going to root for him.”
Not that many of them will be voting in Rembau. And rooting for him does not mean that they’ll be voting BN.
Lots of Dapsters rooting for Saifuddin Abdullah too. ‘Zilch’ (figure of speech) Chinese votes for him in Temerloh and elsewhere.
It is going to be a different ball game altogether I think. With the carrot and stick strategy is already on going now, the Chinese whether they like it or not, they may have to take a step backward and re-strategize. As it is, there is no way that they can get to Putrajaya without the Malays support. They may likely have to align themselves with KJ, if they have to, in worst case scenario.
While it is still early to tell, the Chinese in Sg Limau has sung a different tune this time around, based on the report that I read this morning.
Looking at the much larger picture i.e. when the time comes where people have to choose between him and Mukhriz, I think he would be in a much better position than the later.
re: “They may likely have to align themselves with KJ, if they have to, in worst case scenario.”
KJ may choose to align himself with them.
re: “Looking at the much larger picture i.e. when the time comes where people have to choose between him and Mukhriz, I think he would be in a much better position than the later.”
I was impressed with the grace with which Mukhriz handled the fitnah situation and also his plain-speaking.
So far he hasn’t made any major missteps. Most of those who hate him appear to hold a grudge against his father. Mukhriz seems to be the amiable, approachable and hard to dislike.
Re. KJ may choose to align himself with them.
He already did. KJ is a Political Animal.
Re. So far he hasn’t made any major missteps. Most of those who hate him appear to hold a grudge against his father. Mukhriz seems to be the amiable, approachable and hard to dislike.
My vote will always be Mukhriz. But that the same plot of “Good Guy Bad Guy” story that he been true, the like of Kane and Abel.
re: “KJ is a Political Animal.”
And his Press Secretary is a …
Not sure whether this is the best to describe her .. [YouTube]
‘1Malaysia abattoirs’
I don’t think filthy animals should be slaughter there as well. Otherwise I believe no Muslims would want to carry out their Ibadah Korban at the same place. Period.
re: “1Malaysia abattoirs”
Only use once a year but never mind lah ‘cos we also have other buildings too that are under utilized.
Perhaps the one in Penang (MICE) that operates PISA is one of them.
Then the schools will be educational centres par excellence. We can also think of other 1Malaysia projects that can be held in schools
pendapat saya:
1. melibatkan anak cucu saya dalam penyembelihan binatang korban memang saya akan galakkan…
2. tetapi jika ianya melibatkan sekolah(sekolah kebangsaan), saya rasa keliru juga sebab selalunya sekolah cuti pada hari raya korban, dan walaupun sekolah dibuka semula pada hari ‘tasyriq’, setahu saya jadual sekolah tak pernah ada program sembelihan binatang korban kecuali di maahad tahfiz, sekolah agama dan yang sewaktu dengannya.
3. anak2 yang bersekolah masih dapat menyertai ibadah korban di masjid2 dan surau2…tak perlulah diadakan disekolah walaupun tak salah….
wallahua’lam.
Di kampung, Ibadah Korban diadakan dekat kawasan rumah tuan yang berkorban, atau dilakukakan surau ataupun masjid.
Jarang2 sekali ianya diperlakukan di sekolah. Namun ada juga pihak sekolah, guru dan mungkin juga ibu-bapa Muslim yang mempunyai anak-anak di sekolah yang sama, berkongsi untuk melakukan Ibadah Korban bersama-sama dan ianya dilakukan di sekolah tersebut sebagai sebahagian daripada aktiviti sekolah.
Jika Kementerian berkaitan sudah kata tidak boleh, atas apa juga alasan, saya berpendapat semua pihak kena hormat dan akur.
Mempolitikkan isu ini secara berlebihan tidak akan membawa sebarang kebaikkan.
Semua berhak mempunyai pendapat masing-masing, namun saya sangat hairan kerana orang bukan Islam juga semakin pandai dan bijak untuk mengajar Muslims tentang Islam.
re: “orang bukan Islam juga semakin pandai dan bijak untuk mengajar Muslims tentang Islam”
I’m in full agreement with you on this point. It irritates the hell out of me when they do this.
PS.
The evangelistas … anyone (such as HY and her hubby Mr HY) can simply become a lay preacher in their City Harvest Churches.
They carry over this liberty (tak payah ada tauliah) when they’re talking about Islam.
Helen,
That is the real point. If a school deemed as inappropriate, then by the same argument, can we insist that no procession to Batu Caves during Thaipusam. Although it is a religious festival for Hindus, a whole stretch of road used by all races are affected.
What would Hindus feel?
Compare apple with apple.
Re: “can we insist that no procession to Batu Caves during Thaipusam”
Also no Wesak Day procession, no St Anne’s procession in Bukit Mertajam, no Maulidur Rasul procession, etc
Agree with Helen. SA is not making a fair comparison. How can SA equate procession with animal slaughtering?
Is there any other religion that slaughter animals at national school to celebrate an event? Did non-muslims slaughter pig, chicken etc in school compound?
Saya setuju dengan pandangan saudara terutama sekali yang point yang ketiga
orang islam dah kena regulated pulak upacara agama mereka apa nak buat, di mana nak buat, bagaimana nak buat, dengan siapa patut buat. please lah non muslim christian chinese, indian, Tamil and buddhist.
sama saja orang islam di tanah arab tidak boleh sembelih korban di kawasan sekolah di Arab sebab dalam sekolah tu ada seorang Yahudi n Nasrani yang tak suka lihat lembu itu di sembelih sebab kotor dan kuman. dan lembu itu kotor. apa perasaan orang islam arab bila ada satu yahudi dan nasrani cakap macam tu kat kerajaan Arab.
Sama jugak lah orang islam cakap dekat orang Hindhu tolong jangan bawak Kavadi di jalan-jalan, pecah kelapa tempurung tepi jalan. perlu bawak kavadi di kawasan tertentu saja sebab orang Islam takut tengok kavadi dan devotees cucuk cucuck hidung. di luar kemanusiaan menyiksa manusia lain. menakutkan kanak -kanak.penderaan sesama manusia. kelapa kotor, kuman busuk. cukur rambut, botak, haram sebab orang perempuan menyerupai lelaki.
orang china tidak boleh bakar colok di tepi longkang, bawah pokok, kotor, pau dan limau bersepah tepi longkang. perayaan hantu tak boleh bakar tanglung dan colok. hanya boleh dibuat di tempat dewi kwan yin di tokong kwan yin. too much.. bila orang yang tak berkenaan traslate ritual agama masing-masing ikut otak masing-masing..
re: “orang islam dah kena regulated pulak upacara agama mereka apa nak buat, di mana nak buat”
Adakah sembelih lembu ini ada dibuat di sekolah-sekolah 20 tahun lepas atau 40 tahun lepas? Ini soalan ikhlas, ingin saya nak tahu.
Helen,
40 tahun dulu, rata rata orang melayu miskin. Tak mampu nak buat korban pun. Sekarang satu surau kecil sudah ada 7 atau 8 ekor lembu disembelih.
Orang Melayu/Islam tersinggung sebab ketika mereka bersabar jalanraya ditutup sebab ada perarakan Cina mati, kini upacara Islam dipertikaikan.
SA,
Mengapa bandingkan kesesakan jalan raya akibat upacara kematian kaum cina dengan sembelih lembu di sekolah?
Bukankah orang islam juga menyebabkan kesesakan ketika perarakan maulidur rasul?
Sembelih lembu di sekolah oleh orang islam patut dibandingkan dengan sembelih khinzir di sekolah oleh orang cina. Persoalannya, adakah orang cina berbuat demikian? Ataupun orang india sembelih ayam dan kambing di sekolah.
Mohon jawab.
‘Mengapa bandingkan kesesakan jalan raya akibat upacara kematian kaum cina dengan sembelih lembu di sekolah?’
Tolak ansur la brader.
Kalau tidak nanti ada juga orang Islam akan kata anak-anak dia , trauma apabila tengok perarakan yang cucuk sana, cucuk sini sampai berdarah!
Kalau perarakan tu tidak dibuat di jalanan, public space, just like the Sekolah Kebangsaan yang MCCBCHST ‘not the right place for the performance of this ritual that pertains only to the Muslim community’, aku pun boleh cakap perkara yang sama macam kavadi as ‘lt does not augur well for the promotion of harmony and peace among our varied peoples’, as it is only pertains to the Hindus. Especially with the promotions of brutality and bloody practices. See I also can be less bertolak ansur with reasons.
But lets not do that. And lets not question Muslims religious practices. Because I did not complaint of all the abu-abu colok when some neighbors decided to do some public burnings couple with a lot of smelly asaps, God knows what it was made of in the first place. Or when they decided to burn some kertas when somebody in the family had passed away, right in the middle of the jalan.
Lets not show more of our ugly faces, even though we surely had shown some and lets be more bertolak ansur.
Apple to Apple comparison, is not when one Korban meets the other, when there is none, to begin with, but a religious observance, carry out in public spaces/places that affects every Malaysians.
SA was right. So malaysiamaju, don’t be so square will you?
islam1st,
But isn’t it a rule of thumb that comparison shall be made on an ‘apple to apple’ basis and not ‘durian to apple’? Only then we can get an objective view. Otherwise, everyone will have its own opinion using individual yardstick.
Helen.. I was a trainee teacher then in mid 70’s . It has been the practice of the school where I taught to have this korban done in the school’s compound every year… but at that time unlike now.. no one complained because people are more respectful of each others’ religious belief and ritual
Okay, thanks for the info.
i think we did almost anything and everything in schools compound during the 70s.
i cant be sure if we are more respectful at that time, just that we know our rights more today, n more politically correct, which may not be a bad thing.
Surely it was because ‘we are more respectful at that time’, HY, let me tell you this.
As of now, we have the DAPsters to thank with, since more and more people are in love with LKS and hailed CP as the national hero! Thanks to them for the radicalization of average Malaysians. HY, you surely included!
I asked my mom about this coz during the 60, 70 and 80 she’s really actived in joining in “Aktiviti Kemasyarakatan”. Her feedback was, because school was a places where a lot of people can interacted with one anothers, it become the sosial places for activities such as Wayang Pacak, Sukaneka, Jamuan Kampung and Korban. This is due to ony school compound at that time have a large enough field for any activities involving large number of people.
:)sarah
Ridhuan tee memang terkenal sebagai pejuang Islam dan bahasa malaysia.
Tapi anak2 beliau dihantar ke sjk(c).
Punya hipokrit ‘ pejuang ‘ Islam dan bahasa malaysia ini.
kalau dah kiasu apakan daya? terik matahari pun tak sawomatang.
Coolie,
Dr Ridhuan Tee adalah jiran saya. Anaknya belajar si Bandar Baru Ampang (Sekolah Kebangsaan).
Saya kenal dia secara peribadi. Dia tidak hipokrit macam Permaisuri tweeter, Hannah Yeoh.
Hi Shamshul,
Ridhuan has written himself in his column that his children are Chinese schooled. Maybe some are and the one you mention is not.
http://www.sinarharian.com.my/kolumnis/ridhuan-tee-abdullah/bertindaklah-dengan-cerdik-1.92369
hmmm, ak47 where r u? i found someone lebih hebat dari hang.
Thank you for the clarification. Some people just like to hide the real situation and info.
Now i wonder whether he is the real ‘ neighbour ‘ of RT or again, pure bullshiting kononnya dia jiran RT!
Helen,
Dr ridhuan already explained that. And I know he is not a hypocrite
Bagi saya, tidak ada salah buat ibadah korban disekolah sekiranya disekolah ada tempat yang sesuai, yakni sekolah mempunyai padang yang luas dan berdekatan dengan kawasan hutan untuk menanam sisa binatang.
Perlaksanaan korban disekolah membawa manfaat
1. Gotong royong dan kerja sama
2. Mempelajari proses penyelembihan binatang (penting bagi orang Islam kerana sekiranya mereka di tempat yang tiada daging halal, mereka boleh sembelih sendiri).
3. Membentuk semangat yang kuat (melihat darah terpancut keluar dan binatang kehilangan nyawa). Mau tak mau, sesetengah dari kita mungkin terpaksa melalui situasi ini dalam hidup kita.
4. Menambahkan makna dalam ibadah Korban. Kalau korban sekadar bayar RM 300 dan daging sampai dalam pakej yang siap bungkus dan sejuk beku, maka feelnya tidak ada.
5. Bagi orang bukan Islam ia juga penting sebagai pelajaran, terutama untuk anak-anak kerana mereka mempelajari proses bagaimana daging itu boleh sampai ke rumah.
Bagi mereka yang mengatakan perlu abattoir, kita bukan buat mass slaughtering. Oleh itu tak perlu facility lengkap. Memadai padang yang luas dan kawasan yang terpencil. Ia bagi mengajar kita untuk mengurangkan kebergantungan pada facility khusus. Kalau tidak nanti anak cucu, kalau tak de abattoir maka tak makan daging.
Untuk pengetahuan, ibadah korban juga banyak dibuat di Masjid. Kalau dibandingkan antara masjid dan sekolah, sekolah lagi banyak padang dan kawasan terbuka. Lagi lengkap facility. Tapi di Masjid pun tak ada masalah. Kalau guna alasan abattoir, dah tentu di Masjid pun tak boleh.
Kalau kita lihat generasi hari ini, berapa yang pernah sembelih ayam? Banding dengan generasi ibu bapa kita.
Wallahualam
Very true, Plus Ibadah Korban ni bukan boleh dibuat sembelih sembarangan. Ada tatacara dan etika yang mesti dipatuhi, bukan main “TARAM” aje.
Contohnya darah sembelihan tidak dibiarkan mengalir sembarangan, telah ada lubang yang disediakan. Dilubang itu jugalah segala bahan bahan buangan dari hasil sembelihan itu akan ditanam sama. Bukan dibuang dalam TONG SAMPAH sesuka hati.
Lagi satu fakta, daging kurban yang dilakukan di Mekah akan diagih-agihkan kepada semua fakir miskin diseluruh dunia. I tried to find it in youtube but couldn’t locate it anymore.
Riduan Tee Must Think ALL Melayu Bodoh!
Only he knows everything there is to know about Ugama Islam.
TAk Payah Fitnah RT, kalaupun kau tak suka dia, OK?
I think the way we do qurban in this country is totally wrong. It’s not about being apologetic ke apa. We do qurban to please Allah so therefore first and foremost we must not be cruel to the animal because Allah does not allow cruelty to animals. Qurban should be done with kindness and compassion. THAT is what we should teach our children. Not like how it’s done now in Malaysia, macam three ring circus with zero thought to how the animal feels. Please see video of American Muslims doing qurban. Penuh adab dan kasih sayang, Lillahitaala.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc5BWafzEu4
No everybody doing it ‘wrongly”, it depends on individual.
I don’t dare to watch any form of animal slaughtering including chickens because I’m too chicken. I’m told cows do shed tears when they’re herded for slaughter, I can’t bear watching it.
Zaid Ibrahim had tweeted the same.
Apa yang Zahid Ibrahim tweet tu adalah tidak “sepatutnya” datang dari mulut seorang Islam.
Dalam satu kuliah minggu lepas atau minggu sebelumnya, ustaz ada menyebut tentang seorang Islam yang mempertikaikan tentang Ibadah Kurban orang Islam dalam FB (menurut Ustaz tu) tanpa menyebut nama beliau, hinggalah saya terbaca dalam satu blog.
‘ustaz ada menyebut tentang seorang Islam yang mempertikaikan tentang Ibadah Kurban orang Islam dalam FB (menurut Ustaz tu) tanpa menyebut nama beliau,’
Tak pasti sama ada it was him in the FB because I only saw his tweets…
But I’m not surprised to say the least. The IFC supporter had Ezra as a son to begin with…how can we forget…the Irshad Manji buku fame and some youtube videos to be proud of. And Reza Aslan of course!
After this, what else?
I’m sure with the agreement of those muslims who think they are trying to be sensible, some other overseas caller would go ahead and mouth their outrage over another Malay or Muslim custom or practice or whatever. To be more sensible, why korban cows? Cows are Hindu holy animals, right? So insensitive. Shame on us all, after all the bak kut teh outcry.
I guess all this years Malaysian Muslims are ignorant and unhygienic and it took somebody outside their religion to not only question it but be disgusted over it. Wait, I think I remember some expressing distaste when korban was done in Parliament’s grounds a while back. Maybe I’m wrong. Perhaps the children involved angle draws more people. Perhaps after this somebody could condemn circumcision of children.
Oh yeah, one more thing.
Got this link off SAA blog. Writer seems to think the whole korban thing is based on false belief.
http://biblical-islam.blogspot.com/2009/11/falsehood-about-abraham-and-false.html
That’s one guy’s opinion, since SAA bothered to link it he must have thought something of it.
Why stop at religion? Socio economic measures, anything Malay government servants do. Anything the government does.
NEP? Apartheid.
Some gangsters shot dead? Ethnic cleansing.
There would be no pleasing some people. Or maybe after the Malays don’t have anything else any more.
re: “After this, what else? I’m sure with the agreement of those muslims who think they are trying to be sensible, some other overseas caller would go ahead and mouth their outrage over another Malay or Muslim custom or practice or whatever.”
Nobody was mouthing his outrage over a Muslim custom. He did not say “I object to the practice your sacrifice ritual”.
He questioned the appropriateness of the venue.
If the ritual had been carried out in a mosque, do you think the overseas caller would have rung up? If the caller had indeed rung up and complained about the korban being carried out in a mosque, then I’d agree with you that he was mouthing outrage over a Muslim custom.
Helen, I have to agree with Anon above.
Already they are questioning circumcision on Muslims girls. Soon enough this will reach our shore as well. Mark my word for it.
Apparently Bush Jr.’s crusade slowly had been creeping into Malaysia as well. Soon enough we will be showered with drones for peace and liberty or whatever BS, that they can think of.
Looking at some stupid people who had calls on Obama’s to save them, only recently, the Pakistani drones must be heading here pretty soon.
Melayu ni susah sikit selalu berfikiran ‘terbalik’
What to do, bodo maa!
Tak….special….
Saya rasa non-muslim akan hanya BERHENTI dari memberi reaksi negative jikalau orang Muslim berhenti menjadi muslim.
Selagi mana orang muslim mengikuti agama mereka dengan cara apa pun mereka TIDAK akan menyukai nya. Mereka hanya suka pada muslim yang hanya pada nama nya sahaja.
Setuju. Crusade sudah menyusup masuk ke Malaysia. Akhir Zaman.
Di-Singapura pun sudah ada usaha untuk menghentikan korban kambing di-masjid masjid…. bila melihat orang Islam MENJADI muslim yang baik dan berjaya. Mereka tidak akan mahu lihat orang Islam patuh kepada suruhan Allah… macam macam sebab akan mereka keluarkan atas dasar yang bukan bukan.
I’ve done waste water treatment before & water contaminated with blood, carcasses or entrails is unfit for human consumption, even with the normal home based water filtration systems you have nowadays. Since the clean up will mean waste water flowing through public drains, it will eventually reach our waterways which may contaminate our potable water source. Those living in Klang Valley will surely not want that to happen.
For that reason alone I would say that the rite of sacrifice should be done centrally, instead of current practices.
FFC, Insya Allah, it won’t.
Surah Al-Mulk
Say, “Have you considered: if your water was to become sunken [into the earth], then who could bring you flowing water?” (67:30)
Surah Al-Qamar
Sahih International
And caused the earth to burst with springs, and the waters met for a matter already predestined. (54:12)
Surah Al Kahf
Sahih International
Or its water will become sunken [into the earth], so you would never be able to seek it.” (18:41)
Surah Al Mu’minun
Sahih International
And We have sent down rain from the sky in a measured amount and settled it in the earth. And indeed, We are Able to take it away. (23.18)
Surah Al Furqan
Sahih International
And it is He who sends the winds as good tidings before His mercy, and We send down from the sky pure water (25:48)
For Korban is according to Surah As-Saffat (Ayat 100-111)
Sahih International
My Lord, grant me [a child] from among the righteous.” (100)
So We gave him good tidings of a forbearing boy. (101)
And when he reached with him [the age of] exertion, he said, “O my son, indeed I have seen in a dream that I [must] sacrifice you, so see what you think.” He said, “O my father, do as you are commanded. You will find me, if Allah wills, of the steadfast.” (102)
And when they had both submitted and he put him down upon his forehead, (103)
We called to him, “O Abraham, (104)
You have fulfilled the vision.” Indeed, We thus reward the doers of good. (105)
Indeed, this was the clear trial. (106)
And We ransomed him with a great sacrifice, (107)
And We left for him [favorable mention] among later generations: (108)
“Peace upon Abraham.” (109)
Indeed, We thus reward the doers of good. (110)
Indeed, he was of Our believing servants. (111)
So don’t be jealous, for, we, the Muslims are merely surrendering to the will of Allah.
Surah An-Nisa
Sahih International
Or do they envy people for what Allah has given them of His bounty? But we had already given the family of Abraham the Scripture and wisdom and conferred upon them a great kingdom. (4:54)
Sahih International
And who is better in religion than one who submits himself to Allah while being a doer of good and follows the religion of Abraham, inclining toward truth? And Allah took Abraham as an intimate friend. (4:125)
FFC, please have faith in Allah and His wills.
Surah An-Nur
Sahih International
But those who disbelieved – their deeds are like a mirage in a lowland which a thirsty one thinks is water until, when he comes to it, he finds it is nothing but finds Allah before Him, and He will pay him in full his due; and Allah is swift in account. (24:39)
In animal farm, some animals are more equal than others.
In malaysia, some people from certain party seems to be more holy and equal than others.
Yup, certainly it does. And if you can see the process on how some animals, PIGS to be exact, who had suddenly become more equal than others, you would be wary of LGE and party!
DAP..s, got it?
Just look at Mao Zedong, apparently he had become more equal than others too.
There was this one restaurant in Singapura that once serves Chairman Mao favourite dishes, among others, Peking Duck, if I’m not mistaken, and I thought to myself, wow, with all the private wealth made state owned and food are being rationed ‘equally’ and millions of people who had the ‘communistic’ revolution killed and millions more jailed.
Mao certainly had come a long way to have his ‘signature’ dishes enough to filled a restaurant with his favorite menus.
LGE talks about CAT and yet he does not walk the talk and worse, he would practices media blackout, the very things he complained about when he was not made government!
Anwar is the farm’s president by the way…
re: “Anwar is the farm’s president by the way…”
2.0, you mean?
Hehe…2.0 is not there yet, but he will be…
It has been said before and I will say it again:
be equal and ban all forms of unhygienic, scary religious rituals from public space. This includes Thaipusam parades on public roads, the breaking thousands of coconuts on public roads, burning of giant incense throughout the day and night in public fields, etc.
That is the crux of the issue, and Syed deliberately ignored it when reminded of it. All the arguments put forth in opposition to the qurban in public schools – safety and scaring the shit out of children – apply equally to Thaipusam and kavadi parades through public roads.
But they do not carry their kavadis into the school compounds.
Even not carrying kavadis in the school compound the ritual of cucuk lidah, hidung and badan is so scary and a turned off! Do any Muslim wanted it to stop? so Helen you must see who are more tolerant than the other? do you know in Singapore the celebration of Prophet Mohamad are conducted at the in-door stadium? and the muslims in Singapore “patuh” without any whimper. And by the way kavadis are still seen on the public road on Thaipusam… talk about fairness?
Setuju sangat!
Helen,
Let us not split hair. Now we have Muslim questioning why roads used for Kavadi procession must be closed . and they question it when someone starts questioning why korban is held in school.
Back at square again.
Helen, lucky the muslims in Malaysia do not slaughter the cows, goats, kerbau in the middle of the road.
To make it fair, since school (normally with football-sized) compound is banned from Korban event, might as well we conduct tengah jalan. Block all roads affected for 3 days. The plus point on the first day, the nons are probably still sleeping, hence they wont be offended.
Besides, almost everyone pay road tax maa…. we muslim who pay tax, when decide to conduct korban can also use the road for the ritual.
BTW, in my area, back then we conducted korban ritual on a path (the only path) leading to an illegal kuil hindu. During korban days, the sami would not come to the kuil or open the kuil. These days, since the land is gated since Tan Sri Omar Din built his dewan, we changed the venue next to a small area outside the surau. Unfortunately, the area is directly behind the sami’s house.
What to do? Dah tak cukup tanah. Sekolah dah kena band, Tahan je lah sami……
re: “Korban event, might as well we conduct tengah jalan. Block all roads affected for 3 days. The plus point on the first day, the nons are probably still sleeping, hence they wont be offended.”
On how many days does the korban take place? Am asking since I’m ignorant of this.
Christmas 12 days (song)
The Malays have been doing korban in schools since the days I was in primary school. I’m not a teenager, I can assure. Funny why the (non)issue crops up only now. If we’re going to re-examine everything, then let’s re-examine EVERYTHING.
Of course prejudice is such that the prejudicial is blind to what they do. They can only see what others do.
They bitch about how the roads are jammed up ONCE A WEEK during Friday prayers by cars parked indiscriminately on the roads. But they forget that the roads are also fucked up like nobody’s business EVERY SINGLE DAY of the week outside Chinese schools.
They bitch about sound pollution during the azan. But go silent about air pollution and discomfort to neighbours from their incense burning every morning and evening. Or barking of their dogs at unholy hours of the night.
They bitch about misuse of public facilities to hold Muslim rituals. But conveniently turn a blind eye to their many rituals conducted on even bigger public spaces.
How to promote a muhibbah culture like that?
Re. Funny why the (non)issue crops up only now. If we’re going to re-examine everything, then let’s re-examine EVERYTHING.
I believe they have started to test the water and see how far they can go. SKB Pristina, if any is a turning point for them.
re: “SKB Pristina, if any is a turning point for them.”
I believe SK Pristana would be a turning point for Indian parents to start sending their kids to Tamil school just like Chinese parents refuse to send their kids to Sekolah Kebangsaan anymore.
Excellent news, basically. They might want to consider moving countries, too, while they’re at it. Who knows, maybe Kerala might have an environment that will cater to all their whiny demands.
It is their call at the end of the day.
I have said this before, unlike Chinese school which already has ready network to absorb the students within the Chinese business community and tertiary education in Taiwan, Singapore and China, the Tamil school doesn’t have such luxury nor the community itself has the economic means. That is part of the reason why their community is in the current predicament, ibarat “Ayam Tak Patuk, Itik Tak Sudu”.
I more or less share your view. I’ll blog more on this (Tamil school) later. Your input will be appreciated.
I think I have commented about “Halatuju SKJT” before, but I can’t recall in which entry or blog.
To start with the term “Tamil” itself doesn’t augur well for the rest of the community in Malaysia. As most of us are aware even Mama Dapster and her “non-functioning-Tamil” hubby can attest to that. To add salt to the wound, while there is already well established caste system among the Indian community, a new caste has also emerged among the professional, Christian and “Indian with new Money” which separate themselves as “I am not Indian actually”.
As a community, they have never been in sync to achieve goal of mutual benefits. As you succinctly put “ada 4 orang India, mereka hendak menubuhkan 5 buah parti, dengan mengadakan 10 jawatan”.
Najib has allocated RM100 million education budget that includes pre-school, education and skill training for the Indian community. The question is, where is the bulk of this allocation is going to? SKJT?
My next question is, here in Malaysia and any other part of the World (except Southern India) when was the last time anyone of us see an advertisement that requires Tamil Speaking candidates? (Unless one is applying to work with any Tamil Newspaper or portal here – is there a tamil portal by the way).
The Indian community has to think wisely in addressing this issue, for at the end of the day it is going to be their own call.
I hope all silent Indian followers should also contribute, so that anybody in the authority who reads this will get some further insight about your community and their needs.
Don’t forget when you call service center. There are only 3 basic languages you can choose, BM, BI or Chinese…..
:d sarah
The MRT in Singapore make their public address (announcements) in Tamil :)
Sebagai “Pemanis Mulut” aje, but where it matters there is none I think e,g. Local TV programs, News, Radio. I remember I watched interviewed with Kumar the comedian that basically said that “Indian in Singapore are associated with the social problem” – something like that. Even Seragoon is dubbed as the most unglamorous area to the local.
Wrt the MRT public address in Tamil, it crossed my mind that maybe S’pore has got a substantial number of Indian expats, such as in the field of IT, etc.
Trivia: The professor of computer science in the sci-fi classic Space Odyssey was Doctor Sivasubramanian Chandrasegarampillai.
Re. S’pore has got a substantial number of Indian expats, such as in the field of IT, etc.
They speak English, I don’t think that the public announcement is meant for them.
:) ok, I think you’re right. I wasn’t thinking.
No muhibbah with people like you who belonged to yesteryears around. Your are a stumbling block to any type of muhibbah initiative
Uhuh. Whatever. There was a lot more muhibbah in the old days, I can tell you that. Makes you wonder, doesn’t it.
Coolies with coolie mentaliti surely won’t contribute to muhibbah!
They carry it on public roads for all to see, including children, which is even worse.
penyembelihan di indonesia, negara2 arab & ‘negara2 islam’ lain di buat kat sekolah jugak kot?
We do it our way. Just because UAE says Allah means God, in Malay, God means Tuhan. What do they know anyway. Same goes to Reza Aslan.
So, yes we must do it our way. Indonesian and Arabs do it the way it pleases them. But one thing for sure, we won’t be forcing them to do it the way we did. and we hope the same coming from them.
One size fits all condom ada ke?
For me its okay as long as it applies to muslim only.
I agreee scholl is not the place for korban. School should serve its main purpose; to educate children.
I know some of the comment said korban activity is good in exposing our children with community, well i beg to differ. The children have their chance participate in korban with their own community, their taman or kampung. Let school be purely on serving academic. Plus, did the teacher always complaint on their work load? Why should added more. Mentang2 la dapat daging free.
The only thing that I disagree on this matter is how suddenly people react like “What?! They do korban in school? That’s news!”. Come on. This event already happend so many years. Dont pretend you just heard it yesterday.
‘The only thing that I disagree on this matter is how suddenly people react like “What?! They do korban in school? That’s news!”. Come on. This event already happend so many years. Dont pretend you just heard it yesterday.’
Extremists and extreme politics, apparently applies to all Malaysians. More and more of these people are showing their true faces.
Saya tiada masalah. Saya telah menyaksikan ritual Ibadah korban sejak kecil lagi.
I feel schools are not appropriate places for any kind of slaughtering activities or ceremonies.
However, if there is a need to do it there, best to notify parents & students of other religions in advance so that they can decide for themselves. Best to do it outside school hours.
What I find disturbing is the trend these days where issues are made into controversies. The way these events are secretly recorded in voice, video or image form, and publicised on the internet makes the motive suspicious.
Proper channels should be used, and common sense.
Well, even though I’m a Muslim I don’t really want to see animals being slaughtered in school compounds or anywhere else. I’m an animal lover and an advocate for animal rights. I belong to several NGOs that champion animal causes and donate half of my salary each month for these causes.
Having said that, the Indians in Malaysia just love cheap publicity. Remember about the Indian parent who went berserk after her daughter was asked to eat in shower room issue at sekolah Sri Peristina? Before that we had this Bavani or Little Ambiga who posted in her facebook ‘listen, listen, listen’ video that went viral?
We the Muslims have sacrificed a lot for the non-Muslims. We allow you people to build your houses of worships in our land and show our tolerance when your religious festivals or rituals cause traffic jams not to mention noise pollution. What more do you people want? If you people are not happy, please migrate elsewhere.
Dear Aku Melayu,
re: “We the Muslims have sacrificed a lot for the non-Muslims. We allow you people to build your houses of worships in our land and show our tolerance when your religious festivals or rituals cause traffic jams not to mention noise pollution.”
Please do not miss the forest for the trees. Thaipusam is only one day in a whole year 1/365.
The sound of temple bells is to the adherents of the other religions what the sound of the azan is to the Muslims.
In all of the years that the houses of worship have stood on this land, the Buddhists and Hindus have never tried to convert Malays to our religion.
It is the opposition evangelistas who are power crazy and misuse Christianity in their Politics of Hate because they’re so desperate to “Kuburkan Umno” and occupy Putrajaya.
Aku Melayu
Re. I belong to several NGOs that champion animal causes and donate half of my salary each month for these causes.
Don’t forget about Zakat. Here is the calculator for Zakat for income:
http://www.maij.gov.my/cal/index.html
Just a friendly reminder, even the Imam at the Mosque has to remind the makmum about zakat on weekly basis during “khutbah Jumaat”. But here in Malaysia, most companies has started monthly auto-deduction for the Muslims, so it is much easier for us.
Hukum Zakat Pendapatan.
http://www.mykhilafah.com/fikih/2339-hukum-zakat-pendapatan
LOL,
Every year my husband and I pay our zakat. Anyway, thanks for the reminder.