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This Deepavali shine the floodlights on two-faced Firsters and expose the hypocrites!

Is not Islam being shamed?‘ (Malaysiakini, 30 Oct 2013) is KJ John’s most recent column. Implying that Islam is being shamed by the religion’s Malay adherents is a strong insinuation indeed.

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Hannah Yeoh (hannahyeoh) on Twitter 2013-11-02 12-41-50

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Despite all that shopping in Little India Klang, Hannah Yeoh got no Indian clothes to wear in her Deepavali banner greeting today. Compare their Hari Raya Puasa greeting a couple of months ago all togged up in baju Melayu and baju kurung.

Talking about the need for “mutual respect” between the different faith systems, KJ John writes:

“Otherwise, whether we call it Raya Korban or Festival of Lights, light cannot be shed on ignorance and people will continue to live under the weight of their own ignorance; but not education.”
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When he says “light cannot be shed on ignorance“, KJ is referring to the korban carried out in several national schools recently.

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Does the new Education Blueprint promote the school to become an abattoir, he wonders.

Specifically, KJ writes:

“Surely cow-slaughtering cannot be a subject or the content or curriculum for any national-type school; either primary or secondary. It cannot even be content for Moral or Religious Studies (for Islam), so why is the school practising such “unconventional ways of teaching and learning?” Or, is the principal being a zealot, like so many others who appear so irrational in their actions.
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“My only conclusion is that the school principal is not fit to be one. It is the similar to the other school principal who decided that a child eating in the school bathroom or toilet is not wrong. I would say reconsider for we have teaching in a Malay proverb, “that we cannot eat and pass motion in the same place?”
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KJ additionally states:.

“We cannot teach toleration in schools to only mean that Islam is the only important religion; all other religions are therefore not considered important in schools. Instead, why not explain to all concerned the same reason why one need not slaughter either pigs or cows in schools; it is not a curricular priority.”
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KJ John writes as a Bangsa Malaysian

His next paragraph explains the title of his column ‘Is not Islam being shamed?’.

“When a school principal decides to ‘slaughter a cow within the school compound’ is that really promoting the cause of Islam or that of Malays?  How can then so many other extremists argue for it, when even the minister has gently said this is very insensitive?  I think it not just insensitive, but downright wrong! Why? I write as a Bangsa Malaysian!
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http://www.malaysiakini.com/columns/172422
http://www.malaysiakini.com/columns/172422

What KJ John has written above is an accurate reflection of the views held by the Bangsa Malaysians.

They are also the ones memandai-mandai thinking they know Islam better than the born Muslims. That’s why KJ has taken it upon himself to chastise the Malays that the Islamic faith is being shamed by their conduct.

DAP evangelistas have many mouths

Politicians, especially evangelical ones, speak from many mouths
DAP’s politicians always say different things to different people

Perkasa, Isma and other Muslim pressure groups

According to KJ John, “the minister has gently said this is very insensitive”.

Indeed P. Kamalanathan, the Deputy Education Minister II, has “gently” explained the issue and his Ministry’s position — ref. ‘No korban allowed in schools’ (NST, 25 Oct 2013).

KJ goes on to add, but then “[h]ow can then so many other extremists argue for it” regardless. Not to mention threaten the MIC Deputy Minister.

Commenting on the controversy — ref. ‘Perkasa skins Kamalanathan over cow slaughter‘ (Malaysiakini, 26 Oct 2013) — former Law Minister Zaid Ibrahim wrote:

“The Government allowed an MIC Deputy Minister to face down these racists on his own despite the fact that we have two Malay-Muslim Ministers-in-charge of Education.

“I still do not understand why our top leaders are so terrified of Datuk Ibrahim Ali and Datuk Zulkifli Noordin. I really don’t.”

Stop cow slaughtering in school compound
‘Stop cow slaughtering in school compound’, says Kulasegaran as reported in Tamil Nanban, 22 Oct 2013

The politicians who objected

MIC president G. Palanivel said: “Especially when carried out in national schools. This could be a worrying problem and disturbing for non-Malay students.”
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MIC deputy president Dr S. Subramaniam said: “We recognise the significance of the Aidiladha celebration, however, we must also take into consideration the sensitivities of other communities.”
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DAP vice chairman M. Kula Segaran said: “I shall raise this issue of cow slaughtering in school compound in the forthcoming Parliament to ensure that the government will take the necessary steps to ensure that such ritual sacrifice will never again be carried out in a school compound.”
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DAP CEC member Gobind Singh Deo said: “I have received many complaints from distressed residents in Puchong who have complained that cows were slaughtered in school compounds before students, both Muslims and non-Muslims. This is totally insensitive to the Indian community especially.”
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What we can see is that the Indian politicians who are non-Christians have spoken up whereas the DAP evangelistas and “I’m-not-Indian-actually” leaders have been deafeningly silent.

Hannah Yeoh (hannahyeoh) on Twitter

DAP evangelistas baling batu sorok tangan

The Allah issue (see tweet above) had already died down, that is until Lim Guan Eng resurrected it again during his Christmas 2012 message. That’s how the conniving Christian fanatics operate. They are the ones who constantly membatu api. But after having started the conflagration, the DAP evangelistas conveniently chameleon away into the darkness.

Those who stood up against the Islamists in the cow slaughter issue were the non-Christians both in the establishment and the opposition.

Hence the hostilities are directed by the Muslim fundamentalists who support korban in school against the non-Christian minorities seen as the “bad guys”.

Meanwhile the evangelistas, who are always inciting behind the scenes, get to play the “good cop” because they’ve been as quiet as a church mouse and not made a single squeak against the slaughter of cows in school.

On the contrary, the DAP evangelista politicians have even themselves distributed daging korban during Raya.

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KJ John (second from right) seated with Tony Pua, Hannah Yeoh, Dr Cheah Wing Yin (ex-DAP Damansara Utama Adun), Teresa Kok, Lim Guan Eng and National Evangelical Christian Fellowship then sec-gen Rev. Wong Kim Kong

In the concluding paragraph of his article ‘Is not Islam being shamed?’, KJ John wrote:
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“All religious systems preach consistency between thoughts, words, and deeds. This is also called integrity of life and living. Whither Malaysia without such integrity?”

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Nonetheless with the DAP evangelist cult movement, there is clearly no such consistency between word and deed.

They preach religious harmony but look at how nasty they are against the Muslims and the Malays behind your back.

Tapi di depan pula bukan main rajin jilat bontot.

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Thank you Malays for your support

Talam dua muka, gergaji dua mata

For too long, the DAP evangelista hypocrites have been allowed to get away with playing both sides.

Zaid Ibrahim had said that the government allowed an MIC Deputy Minister to face down Muslim extremists on his own. However, it must be noted too that despite the (clearly mistaken) belief by Malays that the DAP is keen to protect the rights of the minorities, this is not the case at all.

The DAP 3.0 which is under the control of the evangelistas have also allowed Kamalanathan to face down Perkasa, Isma and all the rest on his own.

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What is the DAP evangelista stand on the slaughter of cows in school?

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62 thoughts on “This Deepavali shine the floodlights on two-faced Firsters and expose the hypocrites!

  1. Diorg ni mcm gampang je insult Muslim. Kalau zaman Tun M dulu dah berehat dlm Kem Kamunting.

  2. I think memang sial lah KJ John hentam the Malays over the slaughter issue.

    As I stated, we should have the law dictate the slaughter on schools a hygiene issue, and other religious events iver same basis…. then to be fair, ban Hindu Thaipusam procession that block roads and cause the road to become dirty, make the procession at stadium and have the devotees pay for the clean up, ban ghost festival, which also block roads, cause litter, ban those big coloks that I see at SS 2 every years causing lots of ashes, ban the kelapa pecah atas tanah, lastly, make sure the churches do not berdakwah on Muslims which is against the law…..

    we follow the law… and expect the non Muslims to except restriction on their religious festivities as well… fair kan KJ John padayappa!!! If want to perkasakan Perlembagaan over fair and studd.. be fair to Artikel 152 that makes the SJKC and SJKT illegal aka haram di sisi undang undang dan perlembagaan.

    Things are easy if the law and consitution is followed.

    If the Musljms say they have to slaughter at school because the mosque is small, then the Muslims should demand bigger mosque with bigger land, because under the law, the government must provide adequate Muslim facilities in areas with sizeable Muslim population, easy.

    1. Article 152 Federal Constitution

      (1) The national language shall be the Malay language and shall be in such script as Parliament may by law* provide:

      Provided that-

      (a) no person shall be prohibited or prevented from using (otherwise than for official purposes), or from teaching or learning, any other language; and

      (b) nothing in this Clause shall prejudice the right of the Federal Government or of any State Government to preserve and sustain the use and study of the language of any other community in the Federation.

      (2) Notwithstanding the provisions of Clause (1), for a period of ten years after Merdeka Day, and thereafter until Parliament otherwise provides, the English language may be used in both Houses of Parliament, in the Legislative Assembly of every State, and for all other official
      purposes.

      (3) Notwithstanding the provisions of Clause (1), for a period of ten years after Merdeka Day, and thereafter until Parliament otherwise provides, the authoritative texts-

      (a) of all Bills to be introduced or amendments thereto to be moved in either House of Parliament, and

      (b) of all Acts of Parliament and all subsidiary legislation issued by the Federal Government, shall be in the English language.

      (4) Notwithstanding the provisions of Clause (1), for a period of ten years after Merdeka Day, and thereafter until Parliament otherwise provides, all proceedings in the Supreme Court or a High Court shall be in the English language:

      Provided that, it the Court and counsel on both sides agree, evidence taken in language spoken by the witness need not be translated into or recorded in English.

      (5) Notwithstanding the provisions of Clause (1), until Parliament otherwise provides, all proceedings in subordinate courts, other than the taking of evidence, shall be in the English language.

      (6) In this Article, “official purpose” means any purpose of the Government, whether Federal or State, and includes any purpose of a public authority.
      _______________________________________________________________________

      How does Article 152 make the vernacular schools illegal, neh?

      1. If I may quote http://deminegara.blogspot.com/2009/05/satu-sekolah-untuk-semua.html

        ‘The rationale is two-pronged:-

        – One. There is no Constitutional provision for multiple language streaming of our schools. Education is an official matter of state, and per our Constitution, all such matters must be conducted in one language and one language only, our national language, Bahasa Malaysia. The supremacy of Bahasa Malaysia is also a matter of strategic national interest and a public good of the highest priority. Anything that transgresses this public good — in this case Vernacular Schools — by definition, are unconstitutional and must be removed from our social realm.

        – Two. The segregation of our citizens from a very young and impressionable age (via vernacular schools) has become the single biggest impediment to the creation of a true Bangsa Malaysia unified by a common identity, mindset and language. After almost 52 years of Merdeka, a large proportion of MyCard-carrying Warganegara Malaysia are functional-illiterates in the language of their country of citizenship, and are incapable of partaking in the process of nation-building and social integration expected of citizens of any nation in this world.

        The vernacular school menace MUST be eradicated from our blessed land. This is Malaysia. The national language is Bahasa Malaysia. English, the international language of commerce, science and technology can be a second, albeit unofficial language. The other languages are best kept and nurtured in their countries of origin and, if truly necessary as a cultural imperative in this country, be uttered within the private confines of the specific communities. This is clearly articulated in Article 152 of the Federal Constitution, which says:-

        The national language shall be the Malay language and shall be in such script as Parliament may by law provide, provided that no person shall be prohibited or prevented from using, otherwise than for official purposes, or from teaching or learning any other language.

        The operative words here — “using,” “teaching” and “learning” the other languages — refer to the usage and acquisition of these languages in and of themselves only, and restricted to the context of “otherwise than for official purposes” and do not by any stretch of the imagination infer to their usage as the language of instruction in such an important “official purpose” as Malaysia’s school system.

        I don’t see any other way to forge national integration, national unity, to instill a sense of commonality of purpose and a sense of shared destiny except to vigorously push for a streamlined, singular School System for ALL Malaysians. Every single one of us, of all origin and ethnicity, must speak in one tongue and undergo the same educational journey as Warganegaras of this blessed land. No single Anak Bangsa Malaysia should be allowed to fall into the communal trap laid by selfish, irrational chauvinists and denied the same opportunity as Mainstream Malaysiana.

        Relive the battle cry “Satu Bangsa Satu BAHASA, Malaysia Berjaya!” of our forefathers amidst external threats when Persekutuan Malaysia was formed in 1963. And a single school system taught in Bahasa Malaysia is the single-most crucial element in the forging of this true Anak Bangsa Malaysia and the determinant of Malaysia’s tenability as a cohesive and progressive nation for all.’

        http://satusekolahuntuksemua.wordpress.com/page/9/

        1. re: “There is no Constitutional provision for multiple language streaming of our schools.”

          Similarly there is no constitutional prohibition against multiple language streaming of our schools either.

          E.g. if it is not expressly prohibited, then it is assumed that the said thing is allowed: Smoking marijuana is illegal. But the law says nothing about smoking shisha. Therefore the silence means shisha is legal until such a time that it is made illegal.

          re: “Education is an official matter of state, and per our Constitution, all such matters must be conducted in one language and one language only, our national language, Bahasa Malaysia.”

          Mara programmes are conducted in English. A lot of the Satu Sekolah people also want Maths and Science to be taught in English.

          re: “The supremacy of Bahasa Malaysia is also a matter of strategic national interest and a public good of the highest priority. Anything that transgresses this public good — in this case Vernacular Schools — by definition, are unconstitutional and must be removed from our social realm.”

          Why should vernacular school be pinpointed as trangressors while Mara which teaches in English is not?

          re: “The segregation of our citizens from a very young and impressionable age (via vernacular schools) has become the single biggest impediment to the creation of a true Bangsa Malaysia unified by a common identity, mindset and language.”

          The children are segregated in Sekolah Asrama Penuh, Sekolah Agama Rakyat, MRSM, MCKK, Kolej Matrikulasi (via the matriculation vs STPM pathways), UiTM and even Tadika Islam.

          re: “After almost 52 years of Merdeka, a large proportion of MyCard-carrying Warganegara Malaysia are functional-illiterates in the language of their country of citizenship”

          I won’t disagree with you there. But Chinese can speak Japanese, and today even Korean. Chinese are actually highly talented polyglots with the ability to learn several/many languages.

          About the poor BM, don’t worry. Let nature and DAP take its course. After enough didikan from the songkok-wearing MP of Serdang and tudung-wearing Puan Speaker of Selangor, si Dapster-Dapster lambat-laun akan terikut juga trend.

          re: “The vernacular school menace MUST be eradicated from our blessed land. This is Malaysia.”

          Urm, bukankah Timbalan Perdana Menteri baru saja beri peruntukan RM2.3 juta kepada sekolah Cina di Sg Limau?

          re: “The other languages are best kept and nurtured in their countries of origin and, if truly necessary as a cultural imperative in this country, be uttered within the private confines of the specific communities.”

          Eh, presiden Umno juga begitu berbangga anak lelakinya yang dilatih di Beijing cukup fasih bertutur Mandarin.

          re: “I don’t see any other way to forge national integration, national unity, to instill a sense of commonality of purpose and a sense of shared destiny except to vigorously push for a streamlined, singular School System for ALL Malaysians. Every single one of us, of all origin and ethnicity, must speak in one tongue”

          Jadi kenapa pulak laungan “must speak in one tongue” ni ditulis dalam bahasa omputih? Baik salin-tampal versi BM, bukan? Kot-kot seruan ni takde pon dibuat salinan bahasa kebangsaan.

          re: “the forging of this true Anak Bangsa Malaysia and the determinant of Malaysia’s tenability as a cohesive and progressive nation for all”

          Ya le, “Anak Bangsa Malaysia” ikutkan acuan Firster. Maka nanti bahasa kebangsaan de facto dan default tak lain dan tak bukan BI manakala agama rasmi negara berUBAH menjadi tarekat Allah 3-in-1.

          1. Setuju banyak benda yang salah dan sekarang perlu diperbetulkan. MARA dan lain-lain jangan mengajar dalam BM sahaja. Bahasa-bahasa lain boleh diajar sebagai satu mata pelajaran tambahan atau pilihan. Bukan Belajar/Diajar dalam bahasa selain BM.

            Dengan ini kita pun boleh tutup SJKC dan SJKT, setuju Helen?

            1. I dunno much about Tamil schools.

              How are they faring? Are there many in the towns? What size? Teachers? Btw, are you aware that the Indian Studies Department of Universiti Malaya has been shut down due to poor take-up (no or little intake of students)?

              Do you have any input you can contribute?

              I asked the same of LOL and he has kindly obliged with some info.

              1. I not an expert on Tamil schools. No I don’t know about the UM ISD’s closure either. I may not be able to help you on this, sorry.

                Anyway, we can have a fresh start (not worry about past stats) by reviving the Sekolah Wawasan as Tun M proposes and provide equal opportunity and equal facilities to all students regardless of their skin color.

                With Sekolah Wawasan or Satu Sekolah Untuk Semua, for the first time, all resources chanelled will be enjoyed by all school going Malaysians.

  3. Helen,

    Slaugthered the animal in Islamic way is a must in Islam. It will become halal for consumption by muslim. Therefore, its part of the requirement in Islamic Studies. If wr do not teach the muslim kids how to properly slaughthered the animals, then those will grew become a vegetarian.

    What is the best time to have this kind of lesson , to show the students the method and best way of treating the animals, if not the time of aidiladha? Do you think veterinar dept will just approved we can slaughtered the cows all year long? Do they really know that we need approval from veterinar dept before we could slaugthered the animals at certain place? Doin it in surau will bring logictics issue. How to control the students with so little teachers and space?

    If you thought about sensitivities, muslim also feel sensitive with all other religous things like hungry ghost month and thaispusam things. But we understand the need to tolerate. Why cant these people understand the need of their muslim friends? You will have this kind of activities in vernacular school. Thats why i think they dont care.

  4. I don’t know which part of Malaysia they’re in but isn’t Aidil Adha is a public holiday? What school children are they talking about? More over, this has been practiced for donkey years, why brought it up now? If, all of a sudden, we’ve been using an abbatoir then it was decided to use school ground, I can totally understand it but it’s not. Why raise a non issue?

    Can we help it if there are gawkers from a different race? If those involved, shoo these gawkers away, they will be called names and another set of issue will be raised. What exactly that KJ John trying to champion here? What’s the agenda? There’s so many lapse in logic when I read the article. If I read it with ill intent, I can deduce that his preaching how wonderful christianity is that they don’t have such thing.

    1. re: “isn’t Aidil Adha is a public holiday? What school children are they talking about?”

      How many days is Aidil Adha celebrated when the cow is slaughtered? e.g. Among some Chinese, CNY goes on to 15 days, the resurrection begins on Good Friday and ends Easter Sunday, Raya Open House is held throughout Syawal …

      1. Korban is normally done in the morning on the first day of Aidil Adha (right after the ‘sembahyang sunat raya’).

          1. Normally that’s what has been practiced by most. Maybe because hari raya haji is only celebrated 1 day here in Malaysia. In Middle east it is a big holiday, up to 5 days for some. Fyi, Hari Raya Aidil Adha is the most important celebration compared to Aidil Fitri. Culturally in Malaysia, it is the reverse.

            In actual the date is as follows:

            “Adapun tempoh bagi menjalankan ibadah qurban tersebut adalah bermula dari selepas solat sunat Aidiladha pada 10 Zulhijjah dan pada Hari Tasyrik, iaitu pada 11, 12 dan 13 Zulhijjah. ”
            http://www.islam.gov.my/tempoh-masa-menjalankan-ibadah-qurban

              1. Yes. But here in Malaysia due to short holiday, it is done within a day. The link I gave above explained that as well.

                ” Oleh itu adalah tidak menjadi kesalahan menjalankan ibadah qurban itu pada hari 10 Zulhijjah (selepas solat sunat Aidiladha) dan 3 hari berikutnya (11, 12, dan 13 Zulhijjah) sehingga terbenam matahari pada 13 Zulhijjah 1431H itu bersamaan dengan 20 November 2010.

                Oleh itu, sukacita dipohon pihak media dapat memaklumkan perkara ini kepada masyarakat. Atas kerjasama dan keprihatinan pihak media dalam perkara ini didahului dengan ucapan terima kasih.

                Sekian, terima kasih.

                “BERKHIDMAT UNTUK NEGARA”

                Saya yang menurut perintah,

                (ASIAH BINTI ALKHARIB SHAH)

                Sumber:
                Bahagian Perhubungan Awam JAKIM”

                1. If the public holiday is one day but the korban can be carried out anytime over 4 days, then the cows might conceivably be slaughtered when the non-Muslim pupils have already returned for classes.

                  Gobind Singh Deo said that he received many complaints from the affected parents whose children were in the Puchong schools.

                  1. Re. Gobind Singh Deo said that he received many complaints from the affected parents whose children were in the Puchong schools.

                    I can also say the same.

                  2. I didn’t bother to read the whole details actually, was it at SRK or SMK? Was it done during school session or on the hari raya itself?

                    I think it was one of the event of the year for the said school and the kids were talking about it, being kids they are oblivious to the sensitivity of the Hindu kids. Thus words got around and some parents got to know about it and went viral from there…

                  3. Helen..it will be an uncommon and bizarre practice (plus never practiced) for Muslim to do the Korban on a working day (or in this case school day). It is unheard of actually though it is allowed to do so. Moreover, it’s not a one man show: it will take the whole community. Realistically, no one wants to apply annual leave to do this.

                    You see, the oppo loves to use ‘many’ and ‘rakyat’ when they want to complaint or make an issue, but that line is getting old. How vague can you get? What’s constitute ‘many’? It could be him, himself that do not like this practice.

                    1. re: “Realistically, no one wants to apply annual leave to do this.”

                      If they’re the teachers themselves, then it falls within their working day.

                      Plus that Umno MP Shahbudin Yahya said it’s actually part of the Islamic Studies (fiqh) syllabus.

                    2. Re. Plus that Umno MP Shahbudin Yahya said it’s actually part of the Islamic Studies (fiqh) syllabus.

                      Yes it is part of fiqh study.

                      http://www.jim.org.my/v1/index.php/artikel/artikel-pilihan/439-ibadah-qurban-menurut-pandangan-islam

                      My stand remain the same. Dimana Bumi Dipijak, Disitu Langit Dijunjung.

                      If the Hindu still insist that they want this to stop, fine with me. Now let’s see when the Muslim retaliates by urging the GOMEN to demolish all their illegal Hindu Temple all over the country. I will ask ISMA and the likes to start the same petition.

  5. SIAPA YANG BUKA FLOODGATES UNTUK KAFIR HENTAM MELAYU DAN ISLAM?

    This never happened before, and we lived happily respecting one another. It seems that we do not like peace in this country anymore.

    Some are sowing Hatreds and ill feelings between the various races and religions.
    Perhaps there are people who are very keen to see how the event of May 13 took place. And those who were involved may want to see a repeat of such tragedy.

    These Malaysians should put some senses in their heads.

    1. re: “SIAPA YANG BUKA FLOODGATES UNTUK KAFIR HENTAM MELAYU DAN ISLAM?”

      Pintu empangan dibuka tatkala zaman keterbukaan pentadbiran Tun Dol. Maka orang yang bertanggungjawab ialah Si Menantu itu.

      1. BERMAKNA KESELURUHAN PEMUDA UMNO RESTUI TINDAKAN INI. BUKAN KAH MEREKA BARU PILIH SI MENANTU.

        KALAU BEGITU UMNO AKAN TINGGAL NAMA SAHAJA.

  6. A school is not an abattoir. That so many people fail to understand this simple thing shows the mediocrity in ethics, therefore the breakdown in harmony.

    1. SEMELIHAN DI BUAT DI SURAU, MESJID ATAU SEKOLAH UNTUK KEMUDAHAN KARIAH…………. DAN BERGOTONG ROYONG.

      KALAU KAT ABBTOIR CUKUP TEMPAT KAH. SIAPA PUNYA LEMBU, SIAPA PENAMA NYA…. KAN SUSAH.

      RAYA KORBAN KAN CUTI SEKOLAH, JADI APA ISU NYA ?

      ADAKAH anak KELING PERGI SEKOLAH MASA cuti SEKOLAH…..

      AMALAN BERPULUH PULUH TAHUN TIADA MASAALAH, TAPI HANYA SEORANG, SEORANG KELING TIMBUL KAN ISU, JADI MASAALAH NEGARA.

      TAK STUPID KE TU NAMA NYA !

      1. Adakah Si butoh ni paham, sekolah bukan tempat sesuai untuk sembelih, bila bila pun? Seperti konkek mak, kak atau anak yang melayu biasa buat kurang etik! Bila bila pun.

        1. Re. Seperti konkek mak, kak atau anak yang melayu biasa buat kurang etik! Bila bila pun.

          You meant like this:

          1. India’s hidden incest

          Close-knit family life in India masks an alarming amount of sexual abuse of children and teenage girls by family members, a new report suggests.

          Delhi organisation RAHI said 76% of respondents to its survey had been abused when they were children – 40% of those by a family member.

          [YouTube]

          or this:

          2. Incest: India’s ugly secret tumbles out in series of cases

          or this:

          3. Incest: Haryana’s shameful social heritage

          It was a national debate on a news channel. Tempers were running high, so were the decibels. The subject was explosive – Haryana’s khaps and their diktats. In the midst of this charged atmosphere, a voice rose above the rest, silencing them all. Seema, a law graduate and resident of Karora village, made an allegation that changed the course of the debate. Her brother had been executed for marrying a woman from the same gotra, but that was not what Seema wanted to talk about on the primetime show. It was another shameful reality of Haryana villages she wanted to expose – incest.

          http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2010-08-28/india/28308732_1_minor-girls-karora-village-incest

          Hoi BAHLUL! @ TAMIL TONGKANG @ TEMENGGONG, just because it is not in the paper, that doesn’t mean that it is not happening in your community.

          DON”T EVEN LET ME START WITH THE CHINESE…

          1. You’ve recounted rape where the rapist is an inlaw. That is not incest. Incest is consensual sex between blood relations. The village diktats is because rape by a relation is considered horrible and punishable heavily!

            1. Re. Incest is consensual sex between blood relations.

              Are you saying Islam and Malay condone and permit incest? Please provide proof.

              What was reported in the Malay media is the rape and sexual abuse cases by relatives and family members.

              Sex abused and molestation within family members are taboo subject among Asian culture. It is a hidden dark secret that is not supposed to be exposed to the public. As time progresses more and more awareness programs have been intoruced and conducted; and more and more victims have the courage to come out to report the incidents. There are several programs conducted in schools they teach children to seek help and understand “what is ok and what is not” within a relation both from within and outside of family. I am not sure whether it is still going now.

              Even in the US, it was long shelved under the carpet, until Oprah Winfrey came out in the 1990’s (I think) about her own sexual and molestation experience by her relatives. Since then more and more Americans are more willing to expose and come forward to lodge the report. Still, that is not the end of it, as the problem still persist. I have just read a recent report this morning about the latest documentary produced by an American called “My Mother is My Sister”.

              Adopted man uncovers his ‘sister’ as his real mother

              http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/19667547/adopted-man-uncovers-his-sister-as-his-real-mother/

              Just click this link and look at how many cases are there:

              https://www.google.com/#psj=1&q=my+mother+is+my+sister

              Re. KELING

              Why did you go berserk about the word “KELING” ?. It was originally referred to the Indian of Kalinga origin and since has become synonym in Malaysia. While others believe it was due to the sound of the leg bangles/bracelets that the Indian women wear that produces the “Kling! Kling!” sound.

              Re. PARIAH

              The term was originated and socially accepted in India though now they have re-term it as DALITS. It wasn’t us the Malay or any other race in the world that came up with the term.

              Even your own people still considered some of the Indian as “Pariah”. A case in point, my sister in Kelang lives in a link house where both neighbors are Indian. To her right is a fair skin Indian family and on the left is a dark skin Indian family. Of cause both families are considered from different castes. The point is a 6 year old girl of the white fair skin Indian has the cheek and so BIADAP to tell my sister that all dark skin Indian are not her relatives. Who would have taught her that in the first place.

              I have written about this before in this blog, a professor from India gave this comment about Malaysian Indian “No matter how high they are in the economic ladder, they are still considered low class”, this is in response to my question whether the caste system is still relevant among Indian community in Malaysia.

              Why do you think that there are more and more “I am Indian actually” community emerge in the last 2 decades or so?

              There have many other incidents and experiences shared by the followers of this blog fyi.

              So you see TEMENGGONG, don’t just shoot out your mouth without having a proof to support it.

              1. No society condones incest. In many cases consensual incest is made into rape when exposed. Pariah is originally a high caste clan, but nobody knows when this clan socially dropped in status. It is no longer acceptable to use terms that are derogatory in intent. It immediately devalues the user. Intent is the keyword. Your sister has strange neighbours, but indeed there are still some racists among us all. Caste does not exist in Malaysian society for all intents and purposes.

                1. Re. No society condones incest.

                  India: Incest is a way of life in Hindu Haryana

                  “-In North India, the father-in-law almost had the right to physical relations with a daughter-in-law, and in most cases the female was not in a position to resist much.

                  The very young husband also had no say in the matter.
                  Widows would routinely be married to a brother of the dead husband. Sharing of the wife by brothers was also not uncommon, ” says Ravinder Kaur, a professor at IIT-Delhi.

                  What adds to this problem in Haryana is its skewed sex ratio caused by rampant female foeticide.
                  “Its effects are now being felt on intimate relationships within and without the family.

                  The shortage of marriageable women can have many unintended consequences, especially when only one out of four men find a bride (as in the case of Haryana) in their own community,
                  Incest is a traditional practice and not a new reality.Bramha is supposed to have married his daughter (or perhaps granddaughter)

                  Chilling tales of incest and abuse have been pouring in from all over the state.
                  Inquiries reveal that physical relationship with a husband’s brother is not considered ‘unusual. ‘ “Such relations are not objected to. They are considered a family’s ‘internal affair’

                  http://www.yanabi.com/index.php?/topic/390762-india-incest-is-a-way-of-life-in-hindu-haryana/

                  Please watch the news report about the Haryana carefully to understand it,

                  Re. Caste does not exist in Malaysian society for all intents and purposes.

                  Few followers of this blog have related stories wrt its existence.

                  These are the reality out there:

                  1. ‘We are zero’: Immigrant says she can’t escape sting of India’s caste system, even in Canada,

                  ‘We are zero’: Immigrant says she can’t escape sting of India’s caste system, even in Canada

                  2, Anger among India’s ‘untouchables’ after 26 people acquitted over caste massacres

                  Campaigners for the rights of India’s ‘untouchables’ have reacted with anger after 26 men convicted of one of India’s worst caste massacres were acquitted by a higher court.

                  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/10369794/Anger-among-Indias-untouchables-after-26-people-acquitted-over-caste-massacres.html

              2. ‘Keling’ originally meant Indian merchants, later to muslims (eg Tanjong Keling, Jalan Masjid Keling.) Chulia refers to Hindus. Chulia Street was Indiatown a hundred years ago. Can you see it in the design of the shophouses?

                I guess Chulia is now a derogatory term!

                Dalit is a political term that covers the underprivileged groups and tribals. There are Dalit muslims and christians too. It is a perfectly acceptable term. There are Dalit billionaires today.

                  1. Re. ‘There are Dalit billionaires today.’

                    That is what is known as “I am not Indian Actually” community in present day Malaysia. You see by virtue that they being here and accepted as citizen of Malaysia in 1957, it has opened tremendous opportunity for some, while many are still struggling as we have discussed in Helen’s blog for a while now, for one is the number of gangsterism among the poor Indian in Malaysia which comprises of 70% of the said group.

                    Without this country some may have still endured and forced to accept this practices:

                    1. Bride Burning [YouTube]

                    2. India’s Innocent: Secret Weddings of Child Brides – CBN.com [YouTube]

                    3. EXTREME CHILD LABOR in INDIA [YouTube]

                    4. Female Infanticide – India

                    This is just one documentary, there are many more if you google. [YouTube]

                    5. Dowry Death India [YouTube]

          1. [deleted — please don’t use the ‘P’ word — Helen]

            Temenggong (separate and different comment) was retaliating against the “Keling” description which I earlier approved to be published.

            I ask both sides to please desist otherwise this spat will escalate.

            Sometimes I’m put in a difficult position as to which comments to let through and where to draw the line. I’m human you know. So unfortunately my judgment is not as precise as that of a robot, and sometimes remarks are approved that make one side unhappy, and vice versa with the other side, and others time some are blocked and then I’m asked “how come the other fella say can, you allow”.

            If you all sayang my blog, please help me in situations like this by not putting me in a spot as moderator. Thank you.

      2. Re. AMALAN BERPULUH PULUH TAHUN TIADA MASAALAH, TAPI HANYA SEORANG, SEORANG KELING TIMBUL KAN ISU, JADI MASAALAH NEGARA.

        quote “Ada 4 orang India, mereka hendak menubuhkan 5 buat parti (or is it ‘partai” in Malay), dengan 10 jawatan” unquote

        Does the idiomatic expression “MACAM KELING KARAM’ ring a bell to you?

  7. lepas ne mesti die org akan complaint supaya haramkan gerai jualan daging lembu kat pasar pasar borong. penjual siap letak kepala lembu lg. sensitive tu

  8. KJ John, yenna daa, Bangsa Malaysians? Bangsa Malaysia ada la!

    Malaysian is already denoting Bangsa Malaysia.

    What is Bangsa Malaysians? Sorry my Malayalee is not functioning…

    1. Re. Malaysian is already denoting Bangsa Malaysia.

      Malaysian = Citizenship

      Malay, Iban, Kadazan, Chinese, Indian, etc = Ethnicity

  9. ‘A school is not abattoir’

    Setuju!

    Jalan Raya is not Temple’s compound either! So no more brutal and inhumane body piercing while parading the road.

    And no more open incense burnings in the middle of the road too, only to pray for the mati but menyusahkan yang hidup.

    Setuju?

    1. Processions and floats are permissible in this country. If not the Haj procession cannot take place.

      Body piercing and tattoos are allowed.

      The chinese practise incense burning for the dead and the muslims practise the call to prayer which is a nuisance as it is daily, and too loud. But we accept all diversities and consider it fortunate to have such diversity and tolerance. It is not a problem. Killing in the open is.

      There has to be proper places for these things. In the past slaughtering was carried out in the mosque/surau or village and the meat distributed immediately. This is proper.

      1. ‘There has to be proper places for these things.’

        What may be improper to you may not be proper to me. And vice versa.

        ‘In the past slaughtering was carried out in the mosque/surau or village and the meat distributed immediately. ‘

        I don’t have the stats, but I’m certain, the Korban event in a school compound was nothing new. It has been done before. I’m sure a lot here can attest to that.

        It’s just that we have more and more non Muslims choose not to tolerate that any longer as they did. It’s only fair for the Muslims to reciprocate and not tolerate religious burnings or bloody processions.

        The calls of prayer has been around for quite some times too. Temgong, where have you been lately?

        1. Why is it hard to understand that slaughtering in schools is most unfair to children, including muslim children? That it is a subtle form of mental abuse in the same category of excessive violence and sex? Did you know some children have nightmares over it?

          Calls for prayer were never a problem, until they invented the microphone and speakers. Its not your fault. But can you pipe it down? Please? :)

      2. Re. If not the Haj procession cannot take place.

        Temenngong, please refrain from commenting if you don’t understand the subject well. I have said this many times to both Muslims and non-Muslims in this blog.

        There is no hajj procession in this country or anywhere else in this world except Mecca. The Hajj procession that you are referring here is tawaf, which is done within the Kaabah compound.

        There is no compulsion on Maal Hijrah and Maulidul Rasul (the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) in Islam, in fact there is no mentioned about them in Quran and Hadith. But there is nothing wrong of celebrating it. The procession can be done in the stadium if required. So there is no issue about this to the Muslims.

        Re. the muslims practise the call to prayer which is a nuisance as it is daily, and too loud

        The same goes to the Hindu temple. It is a daily practices and it is a nuisance. If you live in Villa Scott in Brickfield you will understand that. The sound of the bell and the temple music is really a nuisance.

        Re. the call to prayer which is a nuisance as it is daily

        Since you have labelled the Muslim azan as a “nuisance”, you should also accept the fact that the Thaipusam and Kawadi rituals as a barbaric practices, they are repulsive and uncivilized to me personally.

        I thank Allah, that in this country the authority don’t allow the extreme case of temple where rats and monkeys are also part on the god and goddesses and they are kept and revered in temples just like that in India.

        a. Rat Temple [YouTube]

        b. Mongkey temple [YouTube]

        Note : Be careful with your choice of words. With every single insult you posted, I will personally up it one notch up in retaliation with evidence.

        1. LOL, for laughing out loud, here. http://www.riseap.org/2012/02/15/muslims-malaysia/

          I dare say you are a bare faced liar. In any religious prejudice there has to be a lie somewhere.

          Establish acceptable noise levels for temples and mosques. Some islamic practices are barbaric too, eg flogging. I have no problems with that except it should exclude minors.

          There are no rat or monkey gods except in your devious sinister mind, only temples where they are honoured. Do you know the difference between worship and reverence?

          I dare say you are an ignorant person.

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