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MCA must tell us the Sg Limau saluran details

Continues from Sg Limau by-election: Who is lying, MCA or DAP?

PAS has retained the seat with a reduced majority (Malaysiakini report here).

PAS – 12,096 votes

BN – 10,985 votes

Majority – 1,084 votes

The late PAS Menteri Besar Azizan Abdul Razak had commanded a 2,774 majority in GE13.

By-election: Chinese retreating wavelet?

MCA says that in GE13, 90 percent of the Chinese in Sg Limau voted for the opposition. DAP contends only 55 percent of the Chinese supported PAS.

For an overall picture of the May 5 election voting pattern, look at the graph below by Thomas Pepinsky (an assistant professor at Cornell University).

The red dots = DAP.

x-axis shows that DAP contested in the areas with the least Malay voters (meaning, inversely with the most Chinese voters).

y-axis: These same areas are also the constituencies where the BN receives the least votes.

PepinskyGraph

Below is my own table of the Parliament seat results based on the Chinese composition of the electorate.

We can see that every single one of the 15 seats with more than 70 percent Chinese went to DAP.

All 6 Parliament seats having between 60-69% Chinese voters also went entirely to the DAP.

Of the 9 seats with 50-59% Chinese voters, 8 were won by DAP too and one by PKR.

The BN failed to win any of the 30 seats where half or more of the voters were Chinese. Zilch.

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If you look at the results for the middle bands – 40-49% and 30-39% Chinese voters – you can see that PKR did well in these mixed seats. This trend tallies with the light blue dots in Pepinsky’s graph above.

Below is a graph I pinched from Oik.

It’s a beautiful joining of the dots and not scattered at all. It can be used to plot the very close correlation between the number (percentage) of Chinese voters with the amount of votes received by the Pakatan candidates.

Oik’s finding is straightforward since his data input are the 11 Kuala Lumpur parliamentary constituencies. KL in the Federal Territories is the state with the most Chinese voters.

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The same format doesn’t work as well with the Kedah constituencies though as the Chinese voter population is too smallish to demonstrate such a distinct correlation as do the KL constituencies.

What we can examine however is the BN success in wresting Kedah back from PAS in 2013 by comparing the performance of PAS vs Umno according to Chinese voter composition.

The Kedah state seats won by Umno in GE13 are as follows with the percentage of Chinese voters in brackets:

  • Pedu (0.82% or in other words, less than 1%)
  • Jeneri (1.39%)
  • Kuala Nerang (1.82%)
  • Belantek (1,85%)
  • Air Hangat (2.14%)
  • Sungai Tiang (2.37%)
  • Kupang (4.21%)
  • Bayu (4.32%)
  • Pantai Merdeka (6.27%)
  • Kota Siputeh (7.14%)
  • Bukit Kayu Hitam (7.71%)
  • Ayer Hitam (7.76%)
  • Bukit Lada (7.76%)
  • Jitra (10.41%)
  • Gua Cempedak (10.58%)
  • Kuah (11.15%)
  • Tanjung Dawai (12.7%)
  • Bandar Baharu (15.14%)
  • Bakar Bata (26.74%)

Thirteen out of Umno’s 19 state seats are in constituencies with less than 10 percent Chinese voters and 8 of them in constituencies with less than 5 percent Chinese voters.

Umno’s turned in a sterling show in the kawasan-kawasan Melayu totok.

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Kedah and Langkawi electoral map

Below are the PAS state seats in Kedah and their percentage of Chinese:

  • Bukit Pinang (6.1%)
  • Sg Limau (6.72%)
  • Kuala Ketil (6.75%)
  • Tokai (8.89%)
  • Anak Bukit (10.56%)
  • Pengkalan Kundor (22.8%)
  • Alor Mengkudu (23.96%)
  • Kubang Rotan (27.3%)

The data shows that PAS defeated Umno in 3 seats where the Chinese comprised 20-30 percent of the electorate. PAS is way more popular with the Chinese than is Umno.

Chinese voters rocketing to the moon

Let’s trace the history of Kubang Rotan, the Kedah DUN with 27.3% Chinese voters.

  • In 2013, PAS won the seat with a majority of 1,044 votes
  • In 2008, PAS won the seat with a 1,387 majority when the Chinese voters were 26.9%
  • In 2004, PAS lost the seat which Umno won with a 7,941 majority
  • In 1999, PAS lost the seat which Umno won with a 1,985 majority when the Chinese voters were 22.1%
  • In 1995, the seat was held by Umno

So PAS only got the seat in 2008 and 2013 whereas previously in 1995, 1999 and 2004 the seat was Umno’s. The switchover is definitely an indication of the Chinese tsunami.

The Dah Ikhwan blog has calculated that Chinese support for PAS in Kedah increased to 70.0 percent in 2013 from 44.5 percent in 2008.

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And what about in Sungai Limau? Of course we’re all curious if the Chinese turned up to vote in “Ini Kali Lah” wu yue wu huan zheng fu proportions as well as where their votes went today.

We’re waiting for MCA to reveal the vote percentages at the polling stations with the most Chinese registered voters.

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Adakah RM2.25 juta itu akan dibayar kepada sekolah-sekolah Cina Sg Limau?

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86 thoughts on “MCA must tell us the Sg Limau saluran details

  1. Helen,

    My advise to UMNO: Please forget at all the chinese votes.

    Stop the habit of donating to chinese school before election. It irritates the Malays. Besides, it makes Muhyidin looks like a moron if BN loses.

    A loss is a loss. Period. UMNO lost in Sg Limau. But do some analysis. The election results shows that support for UMNO does increase as compared to PRU13 in Sg Limau.

    How to win in Sg limau in next election.
    1) Do not stop visiting Sg limau. It will do wonders if once in a while Najib, Muhyidin or Mukhriz drop by and have casual chat or mere changing pleasantries with sg Limau folk.

    2) while visiting Sg limau, just “singgah” at nearby constituents.

    FACT
    Sg limau aside, PAS has considerable clout in Kedah. Just like UMNO. So time for Mukhriz to deliver.

    PLEASE PLEASE stop making mistake. Muhyidin made a blunder by donating generously to chinese school. STOP IT. Accept reality that Chinese will not choose BN anymore as UMNO dominates BN. While in PR, DAP reigns supreme.

    CONCENTRATE on seats won by UMNO. Give priority on these seats.

    1. Setuju, setuju, setuju!!! UMNO leaders masih ketagih kehangatan pengundi Cina yang telah berpaling tadah dan berkerat rotan dengan UMNO. In other words, UMNO telah diceraikan dengan talak tiga oleh pengundi Cina. Najib, Muhyidin ni faham ke tidak?

    2. After spending time in parts of Kedah to visit relatives & friends for the long holiday break, interestingly a lot of the local folks feeling disappointed with Mukhriz and new state government.

      I think Mukhriz during the GE13 was riding on Mahathir’s name as the father’s son and his perceived corporate connections like Syed Mokhtar al-Bukhary to bring big developments to Kedah. That’s what the grassroot campaigners were telling the local voters to counter Azizan’s PAS administration. BN won Kedah 21-15 compared with PAS 22-14 previous win in GE12.

      But geography and socio-economic profile of Kedah has always been agrarian and non-agro sectors have been highly dependent on Federal projects. Even during the height of Mahathir’s power most successful developments were concentrated in Langkawi and Kulim/Sg Petani due to spillover from Penang’s growth.

      So Mukhriz has created huge expectations in seizing Kedah that a lot of voters maybe having unrealistic hopes for his administration to boost economic growth and development.
      With tightening Federal expenditures and misaligned political axis separate from Najib’s team, Mukhriz may have big problems with voter expectations and sentiments come GE14.

      Najib maybe contented to leave Mukhriz isolated in Kedah and devoid of huge Federal funding that Najib’s using to shore-up economically vibrant BN strongholds elsewhere. Anyway, what other big projects you think can be diverted to Kedah that has already been promised elsewhere? Petrochemicals or hi-tech manufacturing? It still comes back to agriculture as the core strength of the state and tourism in remote Langkawi, where most Kedahans don’t benefit.

      I don’t sense the Kedahans feeling awed now by Mukhriz’s aura 1/2 year after GE13. Mahathir may have his admirers in the state but Mukhriz is treading on thin ice.

      Again, Mukhriz’s biggest challenge is the sky-high voters expectations that he planted in Kedah during the GE13 campaign. With Najib hands tied or his unwillingness to go all-out for Mukhriz to consolidate his own team for PAU UMNO 2016, it will be interesting to watch…

      ~ Anak Pasir Gudang

      1. Kedah economic potential has been restricted by its role as the rice bowl of Malaysia, many lands are locked into rice production while its brightest leave for Penang or KL to work, even with Kulim as its industrial core of its economy, the pay there is lower hence many Kedahans eventually get fished by companies in KL and Penang or migrate there for better pay.

        I believe Mukhriz must liberalize the Kedah agriculture industry and remove the subsidy mentality among its farmers. For example, Mukhriz sight to have rice farmers have their rice sold higher than the locked price of RM5/kg by the monopolistic Bernas. This will improve productivity because 150 000 Australian farmers with machines and better seed quality can raise the same amount of rice as the 2 million rice farmers in Malaysia despite us having more water and better fertile land but using outdated measures and inferior seeds and the subsidy mentality and low price of rice the farmers are forced to cope with.

        Mukhriz must develop Kedah base on its strength which is agriculture potential. I hope he does not get carried away to build useless mega projects that does not tap Kedah potential.

        1. One of the easy solution for big economic growth in Kedah is to liberalize agriculture production, particularly rice.

          Price control used to be important decades ago where prices fluctuate and long period of falling prices impacting farming communities in the state. But with rising consumption, better standard of living and scarce land for production, food prices is projected to rise around the world for years ahead…

          So, artificially controlling prices especially rice is just not logical.
          Freeing the Kedah agriculture sector will boost community income through efficient land-use as well as filling local demand through better quality-products. Sekinchan padi producers are already getting higher yield for same area of cultivation.
          Are Kedah farmers less capable than Thais or Vietnamese farmers? I don’t think so.

          However, Bernas which used to be a governement agency is now a private monopoly, owned by Syed Mokhtar al-Bukhary.
          So his private interests override the farmers’ interests…

          Can Mukhriz get Bernas to let go of the rice monopoly?
          If he can’t, then like i said earlier Mukhriz would have to lobby Najib’s goodwill for big Federal projects to be diverted to Kedah…

          Come GE14, Mukhriz will have big problems with voters expectations since boosting economic growth and development was his trump card going into GE13. That also kept his three big rival UMNO Kedah warlords quiet then…

          ~ Anak Pasir Gudang

          1. Re. So, artificially controlling prices especially rice is just not logical.

            Same goes to the rest of the essential items e.g. cooking oil, flour, petrol, sugar etc.

            The question is an the public accept that?

  2. MCA and their ” Wayang Kulit Performance Goes On”

    Why is UMNO living in denial….close the book on MCA , let the chinese have their way. If they chinese think DAP and Pas can give them what they want so be it.

    The reduced majority, well i hope MCA does not try to take credit for this, i dont think it was the chinese that caused the reduced majority, if any one is to lay claims to this reduced majority it should be the supporters of the late MB.

    How can we trust MCA when every chinese vote there is dictated by their Ketua Cina there, ……its show how the chinese go about thing, its not about inviduality or loyalty, it just the typical chinese mindset, chinese is chinese they do it for themselves period.

    1. Would you then vote for Pas if they say Islamic law will be implemented on ALL Malaysians ?

      1. pas never said that, did they?

        even if they did, i still give my vote to them if their opponent is umno/bn.

  3. Heard reports that MCA never put much effort in Sg Limau to “woo” Chinese voters in today’s bi-election.

    And I also didn’t understand why Muhyiddin pledged the RM2mil to the sekolah Cina in Sg Limau.

    So, where is the next bi-election will be? Any ADUNs or Parliamentarians who are sick now? The Selangor MB? Maybe?

    1. re: “So, where is the next bi-election will be? Any ADUNs or Parliamentarians who are sick now?”

      Rembau? Maybe Nori will hit her dear hubby on the head with a flying ashtray.

      1. Re: Rembau? Maybe Nori will hit her dear hubby on the head with a flying ashtray.

        I hope so, hahahaha!

      2. Helen, wanita Melayu kalau gaduh dgn suami tak baling ashtray laaa. Depa baling periuk belanga ler. :)

          1. …tak abis-abis menghasut…, suka sangat lihat orang becerai-berai…! Busuk hati sungguh you nie…., ingatkan benci pada Hannah Yeop dan Regina jerrr….!

            1. Re. …tak abis-abis menghasut…, suka sangat lihat orang becerai-berai

              Please google “KJ atau Khairy Jamaludin + Scandal”. You will see a strings of related news. At the height of the scandal KJ was given a tight slap on his face by Tun Dol and witnessed by the body guards.

              Back then even the jockey at the Plaza Sri Hartamas could tell you the story about his scandal.

              He is no “SAINT” fyi.

              1. Sebagai peringatan besama…., kita ini manusia dan kesempurnaan bukanlah pakaian bagi makhluq dan sifat tersebut hanya terpakai kepada Pencipta makhluq sahaja…

                – …orang yang buruk akhlaknya itu terzahir pada perkataannya..samada lisan ataupun tulisan..dia cenderung memaki hamun, menggunakan bahasa yang kesat dan hodoh terhadap orang lain..orang seperti ini sebenarnya seorang fasik ataupun ahli pembuat dosa..!

                al-Tabarani dalam al-Mu’jam al-Kabir meriwayatkan bahawa Nabi s.a.w pernah hadir dalam suatu majlis orang Ansar. Padanya ada seorang lelaki yang terkenal dengan suka memaki hamun. Nabi s.a.w pun bersabda: “Memaki orang muslim itu perbuatan fasik dan memeranginya perbuatan kufur”

                Maka, penceritaan atau berita yang dibawa oleh orang fasik seperti ini tidak boleh kita percayai, sebaliknya kita kena selidiki terlebih dahulu..firman Allah dalam Surah al-Hujurat: (maksud) Wahai orang-orang yang beriman! Jika datang kepada kamu seorang fasik membawa sesuatu berita, maka selidikilah, supaya kamu tidak menimpakan sesuatu kaum dengan sebab kejahilan kamu (mengenainya) – sehingga menjadikan kamu menyesali apa yang kamu telah lakukan”

                Antara orang fasik zaman internet ini ialah mereka yang suka mencerca dan memaki hamun orang lain di dunia maya dengan perkataan-perkataan yang keji dan buruk..sesiapa yang berbuat demikian maka zahir padanya kefasikan..kita tidak boleh mempercayai berita golongan ini tanpa penyelidikan… – Drmaza.com

                1. re: “Antara orang fasik zaman internet ini ialah mereka yang suka mencerca dan memaki hamun orang lain di dunia maya dengan perkataan-perkataan yang keji dan buruk..”

                  Oh, like those who are always labelling other people “low class”?

                    1. Dia seorang perasuah…? Tetapi kenapa boleh menang sebagai ketua pemuda umno…! Hebat sungguh ke individu yang diberi gelaran KJ ini…? Dia tidak boleh naik jika tiada orang yang melonjakkannya.

                      Jika dia seorang korup dalam segala hal, sudah tentu orang-orang disekelilingnya juga adalah demikian. Termasuklah mereka yang menyokong dan memberi undi kepadanya untuk terlantik sebagai ketua pemuda umno baru-baru ini.

                      Tetapi yang kelakarnya dulu, Mukhriz yang tewas kpdnya dalam menjawat jawatan ketua pemuda umno beberapa tahun lalu sempat dan berkeupayaan menghantar rombongan umrah kepada para penyokongnya dengan menyewa kapalterbang.

                      Saya temui mereka ini di kota suci Mekah. Mereka yang memberitahu demikian…! Itulah seorang manusia yang berjiwa besar meskipun tewas berupaya menghargai penyokongnya.

                      Imbuhan dan ganjaran seperti ini…, apakah nama, gelaran atau panggilan yang selayaknya boleh diberi….? Ini bukan rasuah…, tambahan pula zaman dia membesar ketika bapaknya melaungkan slogan – “bersih, cekap dan amanah”

                      Sekarang KJ telahpun terlantik sebagai menteri. Jika begitu perihalnya, sudah tentu dengan kuasa yang ada padanya sebagai seorang yang mengetuai kementerian, skala rasuah menjadi lebih besar dan melebar. Perkara sebegini pasti akan berlaku dalam usaha beliau untuk mendapat lonjakkan berterusan dari para penyokongnya agar dapat bertakhta di tampuk kekuasaan.

                      Luuu ..fikir laa.. sendiri…! Hebat tak umno ni..? jika umno runtuh dan ghuyub…, jangan salahkan PKR, DAP mahupun Pas…! Tetapi tudinglah kepada diri sendiri. Pembangkang memang tugasnya mencari kekurangan dan kelemahan parti pemerintah. Perkara sebegini telah menjadi hukum dan peraturan dalam organisasi politik.

                      “UMNO dan rasuah berpisah tiada”. Mohon maaf, saya nak tanya…, kasar dan biadap sangatkah ungkapan ini…?

                      Kesian dan malang sungguh kepada mereka yang berada dalam kelompok ini. Sesungguhnya pemberi dan penerima rasuah itu sama-sama dijilat oleh api neraka.

                2. Tell that to Anwar Ibrahim and the Malay Muslims in PKR, Nik Aziz and his totok PAS followers. Just google what have they done to Tun M, Datuk Sri Najib and his wife, etc.

                  Please discount the non-Muslims.

  4. Setem ……MCA has not put any effort ever since 2008 for any election. Like i said its all up to the Ketua Cina to tell chinese who to vote for , and we all know who they voted for at PRU13

  5. Correction..it’s not RM2 million, it’s RM2.25 million for 3 sjkc. The number of Chinese votes in their voting channel was around 1200 votes. It’s proven that the Chinese totally rejected UMNO/BN overtures. So, what more do they want? They want more! Haihhh.

    1. What’s theirs is theirs. What’s yours is also theirs. They want more you said ? You’re only half right. They want all, they want everything ! Period.

      There’s only one way to stop them. Implement Islamic law on ALL Malaysians. Period. That’s the only weapon that they fear.

      1. re: “Implement Islamic law on ALL Malaysians. Period. That’s the only weapon that they fear.”

        They have been desensitized by the Firsters to overcome that fear already. That’s why they’re now willing to vote for PAS if it means that Umno can be dislodged and DAP assume the Putrajaya throne.

        After all, the DAP already has a Malay MP who is willing to support hudud. See http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2013/10/22/malay-dap-mp-supports-syariah-law/

        And they have their hybrids like Zairil, and just like the how their businessmen sell ‘Ahmad Pau’ and other Chinese-made products with halal and Islamic branding, they are capable of out-Islamizing the born Muslims if only to fish for votes.

        Witness Ong Kian Ming becoming the champ in #sahur tweeting and dropping “Insya Allah” like confetti. His DAP SuperCyber Bully partner Hannah Yeoh beats any wanita Umno/muslimat PAS hands down in the number of mosque visits (for the purpose of politicking, not praying).

        I believe OKM will give a ‘Yes’ vote to hudud if it enables him to fulfill his and his fellow evangelistas’ ambition. DAP 3.0 successfully got the Chinese(!) to label MCA as “anti-Islam” when MCA objected to hudud.

        You say “That’s the only weapon that they fear’. But you have to ask yourself what kind of people are they. They are the kind who will invite Muslims to a “delicious” meal of Bak Kut Teh and tell you with a straight face that it is an organic vegetarian dish.

        They are the kind of people who fabricate the vilest lies and carry out the most vicious bullying. In Chinese, they are the ones we say to have no fear of man or ghost. They’re capable of doing anything.

        If you implement Islamic law, they will find a way to subvert the system to turn it around against you and the ‘real’ Muslims will be the ones who end up punished.

        1. Then we see la how the “real” Chinese respond when more cases of the 9 year Chinese girl being forcibly converted to Islam take place. Then we will know if they are really capable of turning around the system.

          It does not matter anymore whether they are Chinese supporting the opposition or not. From now on all Chinese are the same. All Chinese are now fair game.

          1. She was 7 years old.

            Her name is now Eilliyah Fong Abdullah. She wears a tudung (photo) or you can say that her convert mother put her little daughter aged seven in tudung.

            Fong is her mother’s surname. The little girl’s original name is Tan Yi Min. “Tan” is her father’s surname.

            If I’m not mistaken, Muslim tidak dinasabkan mengikut keturunan ibu.

            Now do you see what I mean about how some unscrupulous Chinese are capable of subverting the system, even the Islamic one of which they have only become a recent member?

            Details of Tan Yi Min’s case, https://helenang.wordpress.com/2011/08/20/butir-butir-kes-murtad-di-pulau-pinang/

            1. Re Now do you see what I mean about how some unscrupulous Chinese are capable of subverting the system, even the Islamic one of which they have only become a recent member?

              And in this case using the system against the Chinese. But we know cases such as this one will not be aired, highlighted by the Chinese press. As to the reason why, we all know the answer. Now if even the Chinese press is on the bandwagon, Islamic bandwagon, it is no wonder the Chinese support Pas and Islamic law.

              What is really ironic here is that it is not Muslims who will do the Chinese in, but the Chinese themselves.

              I must make it clear that when I say Chinese, in this context, I was referring to average Chinese, the Chinese educated type and those who still practice Chinese customs and traditions.

              1. re: “What is really ironic here is that it is not Muslims who will do the Chinese in, but the Chinese themselves.”

                Yes. The DAP 3.0 evangelistas will bring catastrophe, NAKBA, to the average Chinese, the Chinese-educated ones and those who still practice Chinese customs and traditions.

                  1. The problem is it’s the innocents who will terjerat first and become cannon fodder while the DAP evangelistas chameleon away into the darkness will their Gospel and Gold.

            2. Re: “If I’m not mistaken, Muslim tidak dinasabkan mengikut keturunan ibu.
              Now do you see what I mean about how some unscrupulous Chinese are capable of subverting the system, even the Islamic one of which they have only become a recent member?”

              You are saying this mother who converted herself and her kid to Islam is also subverting the Islamic name system? Isn’t the “Abdullah” part of her name is taken in conversion cases for the purpose of lineage?

              The interesting part of your write-up in the link you provided are these paragraphs :
              QUOTE
              (c) Pada keesokan harinya (Nov 9), seorang budak kecil Cina yang keletihan dan ketakutan – yang dilari paksa dari sekolahnya di Pulau Pinang sehari awal – didakwa mampu mengucap “ašhadu an la ilaha illa (A)llah, wa ašhadu anna Muhammada(n) rasulu (A)llah, ašhadu an la ilaha illa (A)llah, wa ašhadu anna Muhammada(n) rasulu (A)llah” dengan tepat dan tanpa cacat cela di depan pegawai-pegawai Melayu yang tidak dikenalinya di sebuah pejabat kerajaan yang tidak pernah dikunjunginya … Mustahil?
              Akan tetapi sekiranya tidak diikutkan prosedur masuk Islam, bagaimana pula Yi Min boleh disijilkan Eilliyah Fong Abdullah oleh jabatan agama?
              Yi Min merupakan satu kes murtad di mana seorang anak kecil Cina dikeluarkan daripada agama kelahirannya melalui kaedah yang membawa aib kepada kesucian Islam.
              UNQUOTE

              1. re: “You are saying this mother who converted herself and her kid to Islam is also subverting the Islamic name system? Isn’t the ‘Abdullah’ part of her name is taken in conversion cases for the purpose of line”

                The subversion is not in the “binti Abdullah” element but in denying the paternity (keturunan ikut bapa).

                The child was born Tan Yi Min. Tan is her father’s surname.

                Upon her (the child’s) forced conversion to Islam, the mother changed her name to Eilliyah Fong Abdullah.

                Note that the patrilineal surname “Tan” has disappeared to be replaced by the mother’s surname “Fong” (the mother’s original name is Fong Mee Hui).

                From what I understand, the Muslims are very strict about waris. The “bin” and “binti” must be done properly mengikut nisab.

                Even if she is converted to Islam, it is still wrong to usurp the “Tan” surname from her father’s side of the family, to be replaced with “Fong” (mother’s family name).

                This has nothing to do with “Abdullah”.

                1. I would like to ask this one question. Did the Chinese know about this case at all ?

                  But even if they did know, so what ? They tak kisah pun. If they do care, they would not have voted for the DAP.

                  1. It seems to me that the non-Christian Chinese are willing to overlook a number of questionable and unsavoury things as long as the bigger objective is met, i.e. wicked Umno is considered the greater evil (as well as pure, unadulterated ‘wickedness’)

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                    and therefore the hatred of Umno and the overwhelming desire for ABU makes them willing to overlook any form of collateral damage such as Tan Yi Min or the implementation of hudud. Anything goes … matlamat menghalalkan cara asal Umno berjaya dikuburkan.

                    1. Re. Anything goes … matlamat menghalalkan cara asal Umno berjaya dikuburkan.

                      The irony is even in Kelantan in negeri Totok PAS they look for MCA for help or Putera UMNO. Why don’t they go to PAS, PKR or DAP for help?

                      Here is a recent heart warming story:

                      “KOTA BHARU: Seorang wanita yang terpisah dengan keluarganya yang berasal dari China sejak lebih 60 tahun lalu akhirnya dipertemukan di rumahnya di Kampung Paya Bemban, di sini, tadi.

                      Roslina Ahmad, 63, bertemu dengan ibu kandung, Huang Yi Giao,79, serta lima adiknya yang lain iaitu Yang Chui Qun,61, Yang Chai Qing,55,Yang Mie Lian,51,Yang Jun Na,52 dan Yang Xiao Fen,32.

                      Selepas dilahirkan pada 1950an di Gua Musang, dia diserahkan kepada keluarga angkat Melayu menyebabkan Roslina terus terputus hubungan dengan keluarga kandungnya.

                      Keluarga kandung Roslina yang berasal dari Hainan, China tiba di Lapangan Terbang Sultan Ismail Petra, di sini, pagi semalam.

                      Roslina sebelum ini berusaha mencari keluarga kandungnya dengan bantuan Presiden MCA Gua Musang, Lew Kew.”

                      http://www.hmetro.com.my/articles/Bertemuselepas60tahunberpisah//Article?HarianMetro

                2. Do a Google search on the girl’s name. It is as if she has never existed. That really shows how she and her father are “viewed” by the Chinese community, the opposition or anyone else.

                  But I guess she and her father are acceptable collateral damage in the quest to obtain power by any means by the opposition. The Chinese community is also as complicit with their silence on this case. Human rights, democracy and those catchy terms mean nothing to this girl and her family.

                  Gotta love the Evangelists. In the quest for power, anything can be pawned, especially these heathens like the little girl.

                  In the back of their minds, they must be saying “its okay. The girl is not one of us. She’s the perfect foil. After all, she is a heathen anyway. Just give her to the Mullahs.”

                  1. Re: “The Chinese community is also as complicit with their silence on this case. Human rights, democracy and those catchy terms mean nothing to this girl and her family.”

                    Just for the sake of discussion, leaving out the politicians (I don’t trust them) or emotional aspects, pls advise what the Chinese layman should do for the little girl? What would you do if you were in the husband’s shoes?

                    1. Engage a lawyer and file a lawsuit. As for advice, no advice. The Chinese layman is now in perpetual hysteria and no amount of reasoning will convince them that the DAP is poison that will eventually destroy the Chinese community.

                3. Re: “From what I understand, the Muslims are very strict about waris. The “bin” and “binti” must be done properly mengikut nisab.”

                  Maybe true locally, but not elsewhere…
                  Muhammad Ali, Yusuf Islam, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar…

                  1. The celebrities you named did not supplant their father’s name with their mother’s.

                    To the best of my understanding, Islam does not nisabkan kepada emak, e.g. Fatimah binti Khadijah.

                    This is the crux of the matter where the Chinese convert mother has subverted Islamic tradition in changing her daughter’s surname from “Tan” to “Fong” upon converting the child without the Buddhist father’s consent.

        2. Re They have been desensitized by the Firsters to overcome that fear already. That’s why they’re now willing to vote for PAS if it means that Umno can be dislodged and DAP assume the Putrajaya throne.

          Yes but the real test is when, for instance, a case involves a Muslim and a kafir, a rape case and how are you going to prosecute the Muslim since he is subjected to Syariah and not common law ? Desensitized ? Too early to tell.

          Re And they have their hybrids like Zairil, and just like the how their businessmen sell ‘Ahmad Pau’ and other Chinese-made products with halal and Islamic branding, they are capable of out-Islamizing the born Muslims if only to fish for votes.

          Since this is the case, just convert lah ! That way can come out in the open.

          Re believe OKM will give a ‘Yes’ vote to hudud if it enables him to fulfill his and his fellow evangelistas’ ambition. DAP 3.0 successfully got the Chinese(!) to label MCA as “anti-Islam” when MCA objected to hudud.

          The Chinese label MCA as anti Islam ? Which Chinese ? The DAP types ? The pertinent question is, how receptive the average Chinese is if Syariah is implemented on the average Joe Chinese.

          1. re: “The pertinent question is, how receptive the average Chinese is if Syariah is implemented on the average Joe Chinese.”

            If they were rational, they would see that the DAP 3.0 evangelistas are steering the Chinese community into a head-on collision with the majority community.

            They should by now realise that it is a rollover between mentimun and durian. Whether the timun menggolek ataupun ia digilis, the durian will not be hurt. But such an awareness is not allowed to penetrate, what with the total control that the DAP has over the channels of communication to the Chinese.

            To your question, the average Chinese may not even realise what has hit them before it’s too late. They are too blinded by hate to appraise the reality on the ground.

  6. Paling saya bimbang selain PM & TPM berkelakuan sebagai ‘moron’ ialah tiada kerlipan bintang di kalangan pemimpin UMNO. Hanya Mukhriz sahaja menjadi sandaran dan harapan. Tapi kalau hendak bergantung pada Mukhriz seorang, mana beliau larat.

    Tapi saya masih menaruh harapan kerana beliau anak TDM. Ketika TDM ditinggalkan ramai pemimpin UMNO selepas tsunami Musa Hitam dan Anwar Ibrahim, beliau masih berupaya mengendali UMNO/BN menang majority dua pertiga.

    Mungkin kuasa Allah swt terutamannya dan darah TDM yang mengalir dalam tubuhnya dapat membantu Mukhriz menjadi pemimpin yang berkesan seperti ayahandanya TDM!

      1. I hope Mukhriz will be the PM one day. I’ve lost hope in the current PM to steer Malaysia into a vibrant and developed country. Najib and gangs lack vision and their main interest is to enrich themselves. And the current FLOM is really an eye-sore to look at!

          1. Helen,

            No he will not. Not IF Najib administration wastes time in order to be popular..

            Najib, UMNO are plain lucky in last PRU. Malays simply were lift with little choices. Next time around UMNO may not be that lucky.

  7. Sorry but it will not happen. They will not tell because they themselves are working hand in glove with the opposition.

    I agree with what someone just said. Stop all financial aid to Chinese schools. IT will only offend more Malays. Stop it please.

    RM2 million would be better off channeled as scholarships for Malay and Native students applying for university places.

  8. Well well. What did you expect from “thieves” anyway ? Let’s look at the follies committed by our leaders.

    Financial assistance for Chinese schools. Check.

    Financial support for Chinese students. Check.

    Opening up for places for Chinese in Government linked companies. Check.

    More scholarships for Chinese students studying overseas. Check.

    Stay tuned. Our leaders are dumb. More follies on the way, if there’s more by elections.

  9. Where is the Youth Chief with his progressive politics ? Where is he now ? Gone into hiding ?

    1. Maybe the Youth Chief doesn’t want to be seen with a plaster on his forehead like previously the Penang Chief Minister with the extremely garang wife.

      Just my joke …

  10. Re : “I don’t sense the Kedahans feeling awed now by Mukhriz’s aura 1/2 year after GE13.”

    Penangites are less and less ‘awed’ by LGE after 308. He knows all this and has resorted to all sorts including the ‘shave bald” show at Kek Lok Si temple. Period.

    1. A woman,

      It takes time to deliver. Mukhriz is just few months in office.

      But i believe he will perform. Yes. He is there due to partly being the son of Tun Dr Mahathir. Nothing to be embarassed about it. Just like Guan eng bypassing Penang DAP chairman to get Penang CM post. And we all know all because he is the son of Kit siang.

      So do not be too hard on Mukhriz. The fact is that UMNO is gaining momentum in Kedah, partly due Mukhriz ability to match “overestimate” Islamic credential. We are talikng about a MB who has no qualm in leading congregational prayers. A big thing in Malay community.

      But the most important thing is that Muhkriz does not wage war against Tan sri Azizan. That speaks volume of a good character.

      The only thing that I think need to be done is “slapping” Muhyidin for continuing the habit of “terhegeh hegeh”. Stop pandering to chinese. Have some dignity.

      1. Even the Youth Chief has Regina Lee as his…….

        and now he’s nowhere to be found. I hope he can explain in details what his “progressive” politics is all about.

        Progressive politics which progressively leads to defeat in GE14 in 2018 ?

        1. What Is this,

          That is the reason I want to see Khairi contesting in mixed areas like Kelana Jaya as an example.

          Must be feeling so great to be able to contest in “kawasan pekat Melayu” and then choose Regina above all as his political secretary.

          1. One commenter has proposed that KJ should contest in Lembah Pantai. I believe it is an excellent suggestion.

            As icing on the cake, Nurul Izzah and Khairy both have one thing in common. Neither of them had any kind of professional career before they ventured into politics.

            Nurul did not work for any company nor did she run any business of her own. She simply parachuted into politics as the Puteri Reformasi and straightaway became an MP (now already into her second term at the ripe old age of 33).

            As for Khairy, oh yeah, he worked in his father-in-law’s office and ran the country while Tun Dol was sleeping.

            Lim Kit Siang claimed that KJ was the world’s richest unemployed youth. The SiL was, similarly to PKR’s The Daughter, parachuted into Umno Youth and “winning” uncontested the wing’s deputy chief post at age 28 without any prior experience leading the divisions.

            So KJ vs Nurul in Bangsar Sentral is indeed a match made in the First(er) Heaven.

  11. The graph with the red-blue-green dots is interesting.

    Granted, the red dots show low support for BN in Chinese-majority areas, and this portion corresponds to Oik’s graph.

    But as you go up the scale towards the Malay-majority areas, you find the dots crowd around the region of 50-60% BN votes. In the site featuring Thomas Pepinsky’s analysis, there is a graph showing the line curving down when it comes to the Malay areas.

    I would have expected a straight line rising and showing overwhelming Malay support for BN (80 – 90% ) in Malay areas, but no, it’s a let-down.

    1. Anywhere above 70 percent Malay electorate has always generally been contested between PAS and Umno. Melayu totok is the PAS constituency.

      PAS is stronger than reflected in the number of Parliament seats it obtained in GE13, vis-a-vis PKR and DAP where PAS had the fewest among the three Pakatan parties.

      In 2013, possibly for the first time, PAS managed to win seats in the middle band thanks to the strong support from DAP Chinese. However it lost its traditional Malay rural constituencies (see Umno’s victories in the seats with less than 5% Chinese) and hence the success of Umno in regaining Kedah.

      My reading is that from now until GE14, PAS will keep on losing its core support.

      We can see whether the PAS grassroots will revolt during the party muktamar to be held later this month.

      Wrt our other exchange on the Tan Yi Min thread, I believe nisab can be understood as ‘lineage’ and in Islam, it is according to the father’s bloodline. What Fatimah Fong binti Abdullah did is wrong both in Islamic and Chinese tradition to throw away her daughter’s “Tan” surname.

      1. Re; “PAS is stronger than reflected in the number of Parliament seats it obtained in GE13…”

        Agree, my analysis shows that of the 65 Parlimentary seat areas with more than 70% Malays, PR got only 17 or 26% of the seats, with 45% of the votes. (Of the 17 seats, 3 were PKR’s). It shows that more Malays support the opposition than was indicated by the number of seats.

        If Fatimah Fong binti Abdullah contravened the rules of conversion, how did she get away with it? The officials were negligent?

        1. re: “If Fatimah Fong binti Abdullah contravened the rules of conversion, how did she get away with it? The officials were negligent?”

          If the opposition want to keep complaining about Malaysia’s bloated civil service, then they should be far more concerned with the country’s burgeoning Islamic bureaucracy and the calibre of the staff.

          But while it’s easy for the non-Malay oppo to keep bashing Umno (when they’re really targetting Malays), they dare not do the same wrt to the Muslims in the very many Islamic govt agencies.

          The bigger and bigger these Islamic bureaucracies, the more regulations they will promulgate to be implemented and enforced to keep themselves ‘gainfully’ employed. Pakatan coming to power will exacerbate this situation because they will be treading on eggshells and bending over backwards to retain the Malay-Muslim vote.

          An Umno leader like Tun M wouldn’t be doing the same all that much.

          An easy comparison is that MCA has been in the govt some 60 years and Gerakan some four decades but none of their women leaders have ever worn tudung and trotted up and down the mosques and neither have the MCA men been quoting the Quran or Hadith or Sunnah and styling themselves Caliph Umar Lim Abdul Aziz.

          Pakatan will ring the death knell to any last remnants of secularism in this country.

  12. Malay always need Chinese, want to buy thing from Chinese shops, want to work, works in Chinese companies, even to pinjam wang also go to Chinese loan….Muhyidin can i borrowed RM1000 for my debt…

    1. If so, DAP should have never raise the BBCD fb page in parliament. Small matter what. Malay can never beat the chinese. Chinese do not need to be afraid of this page as Malay is still ‘thought’ to be dependant on chinese in everything.

      Lest never forget that chinese depend more on Malay to survive business at grassroot level. If you think that Malay language has no economic value, please all of you out there, dare to change all your ‘Malay/Islamic named brands’ to chinese name.

      Don’t lah continue to use pau ahmad name to cheat the Malay when most of your workers who make the pau are ‘unhygenic non-muslim’. Perhaps pau Ah Kau should be fine and you can depend on your all-chinese customer. Just to name one example from many more.

      To those concerned, visit and like fb “Boikot Barangan Cina DAP”. Yes Malay always need chinese but we’ll see. Pleaselah never bring this BBCD issue to the government or don’t ‘mengadu’ if you feel affected. Nobody can threat your ecomonic dominance.

      1. I go for BCL – Buy Chinese Last. I still continue to patronise Chinese shops/services until I get better non-Chinese alternatives.

  13. Shamsul Anuar, I was not trying to put down Mukhriz. I have respect for him as he has thus far not hurled verbal personal attack on opponents.

    I was quoting a comment before me. Then I compare it to LGE govt who cannot even do maintenance work in Penang after almost 6 years. Bought new cars and use Buletin Mutiara for his own publicity and wants to build undersea tunnel when they don’t even care about maintaining decent roads. By the way, not even any of the roads in Penang is built by the present state government.

    1. A woman,

      Many thanks for your comment. Like or hate him, but he is figure who is significant in Malay politics and by extension, local politics.

      A win is a win. So PAS won. Therefore, Muhkriz has to work harder.

      Dr Zambri successfully defended BN in Perak with increase in Malay votes. The fact that UMNO won Kedah shows that its support in Kedah is bigger than that off PAS.

      What I am trying to say is that I notice PAS influence among the Malays is somehow “eroded”. Mainly because PAS submits to DAP.

      Unfortunately, UMNO fo reasons best known to them continues to make mistake. Such as donating millions to chinese schools in Sg Limau and in the process angers the Malays.

      1. re: “Such as donating millions to chinese schools in Sg Limau and in the process angers the Malays.”

        The figure quoted in the press is RM2.25 million to three Chinese schools.

        DS Najib Razak has pledged RM1 billion to Mara see the BEEP speech. Not all Mara students nor their parents are supporters of BN either. But I don’t hear the Umno boys making a racket over this very generous allocation.

        1. Helen,

          The quantum is not the issue. The issue here is donating to chinese schools but receive nothing in return. In crude language, it just make Muhyiddin like an idiot.

          As for generous grant to MARA, at least the lion share of Malay votes go to UMNO.

        1. I think many Muslim Malays overlook the fact that being a Muslim Leader first and foremost one must be “amanah” and fair, regardless of the subject race, religion and political inclination the government of the day must abide by that rule.

          In case of RM2.25 million to three Chinese schools, that is part of the reason, although the timing is rather “opportunistic in nature”, still at any other purpose, time and place, the aids must be given in due course.

          Dalam Islam “Peminpin Yang Zalim dan Tidak Adil” adalah yang pertama masuk NERAKA.

          “Tiga orang yang pertama yang masuk neraka adalah sebagai berikut.

          Pemimpin yang zalim.

          Yakni pemimpin yang menggunakan amanah kepemimpinannya untuk kepentingan pribadi. Amanah kepemimpinan digunakannya untuk memperkaya diri, menindas, bahkan menipu orang-orang yang dipimpinnya. Dia lupa bahwa kepemimpinan itu amanah, malah dia gunakan amanah kepemimpinan sebagai fasilitas untuk memperkaya diri. Na’udzubillah.

          Click below to read the rest.

          http://inspirasisanubari.blogspot.com/2010/03/siapa-yang-pertama-masuk-neraka.html

          1. LOL,

            The point Najib administration is “terlebih” fair to the chinese. almost all their requests were met.

            UMNO’s record in treating non Malays is superb. Try look at Indonesia, Philipines, Thailand , Brunei and see how the respective governments deal with Chinese.

            1. Re. The point Najib administration is “terlebih” fair to the chinese. almost all their requests were met.

              I don’t think that he behaves that way anymore after PRU13. If you look at that some of the measures being implemented hit the Chinese Business community the most.

              I am not going to repeat this, as I have written a long winded explanation to justify his action prior to PRU13.

              1. LOL,

                What is it that people refuse to accept reality that Chinese will no longer vote for BN?

                Give everything. They will take it.. But vote BN they will not .

                But why? Because they felt that through PR, they can get the thing that until today remain elusive; TOTAL POWER.

                “… justify his action…/”

                At what cost? He (Najib) angers the Malays by being “terhegeh hegeh”. He refused advise from concerned Malays. But at the end , he was saved by the Malays whom he underestimates all this while.

                So where is the justification? Najib is plain lucky. Malays voted UMNO last election not out of love.

                They voted UMNO in out ‘of iman dan takwa”.

                Because of these ‘iman dan takwa” simple humble folk in Malay kampungs( not necessarily poor) are able to see the :musibah” should UMNO crumble away.

                And Najib simply failed to see that he would have been rejected by Chinese as he (sorry to say) loves to be popular.

                If only “iman dan takwa” is the guidance, he certainly not look like a fool then.

                The Malays, due to their Islamic faith never ask the chinese to be punished. although we know very much how Chinese will be jubilant should UMNO fall.

                What we ask is Najib and his entire administration simply put into chinese head that no way they can live as if this is China. And no way they can take administration and exclude others(meaning malays) .

                And to start this, stop being “:terhegeh hegeh”.

                Remember, Chinese vote is crucial . But not “indispensable”.

                After all, UMNO still forms the government without Chinese support.

                Now I understand Sultan of Brunei refuses to grant citizenships to chinese.

                No need to be apologetic. .

                ,

  14. Helen I would like to respond to
    43. The Dictator | November 6, 2013 at 11:05 am
    but there is no ‘Balas’ link.

    Re : “Engage a lawyer and file a lawsuit.”
    I presume, if you are the father, you would go to a civil court to get custody of the kid and to declare her conversion to Islam null/void, i.e. to get her out of Islam and back to her original religion. – right?

    Re : ” no advice…”. Earlier you criticised the “…Chinese community is also as complicit with their silence on this case. Human rights, democracy and those catchy terms mean nothing to this girl and her family”.

    I still would like to hear from you how the Chinese community should have reacted to the conversion (leaving out politics please) instead of brushing off my question with a blanket comment. Just the folks, no political parties.

        1. re: “And it was a happy ending for the kid…”

          Just like the Court of Appeal judgment was a happy ending for us all. I hope that everyone will accept the happy ending decided by the CoA justices and move on.

  15. salam…
    sepatutnya org yg sudah berkahwin hendak memeluk ugama islam berbincang dulu dari hati kehati tentang keinginan utk memeluk islam dan mendapatkan kata sepakat yg disertai dgn cop stem peguam kew apew kew yg tidak layak utk didebatkan di kemudian hari…

    org islam yg akan mengislamkan org yg nak masuk islam mestilah mendapatkan dulu pandangan pasangan yg akan di islamkan… bkn utk menyusahkan cuma utk tidak menjadikan islam ugama yg asik asik disalah mengertikan oleh segolongan org2 yg suka ambil kesempatan……

    kalo masuk islam anak dgn emak/bapa pertalian darah tetap ada dan tanggungjawab anak terhadap emak /bapa wajib dijalankan… kesian lah kat budak tersbut… bkn kew budak bawah umo di bawah jagaan ibu… kalo boleh biarlah budak itu sendiri membuat pilihan sama ada nak ikut ugama bapa /emak.. lain lah kalo kedua dua ibu bapa masuk islam maka anak anak ikut masuk sekali…

    ini cuma pandangan peribadi saya.. kalo salah saya minta maaf.. kalo ada ustaz2/yg faham kaedah kuarga islam yg baru nak masuk islam sila lah beri tunjuk ajar….

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