Anwar DAP mau tolong, Teoh Beng Hock DAP mau tolong, orang India DAP tak pandang

By CheDebt

I’ve suffered from a prolapsed disc before. It is the mother of all pain. Even childbirth does not come close because a prolapsed disc usually means that the disc, once out of its place from between the vertebral column will usually head for the spinal cord and compress it. In my case, the disc became dessicated after prolapse and almost severed my spinal cord (the main “cable” and center of all sensation, linking the brain to organs and extremities which explains the insane pain).

Paralysis was imminent. The pain drove me up the wall.

There was no sleep or respite for days and weeks. Suicide was a real option until the prolapsed disc was removed by surgery and the spinal column propped up and stabilised with titanium screws and bars in a procedure called “posterior spinal instrumentation and fusion” (or something like that).

Even in the comfort of my home and in the company of my family, the suffering made me contemplate suicide. Imagine what is going through Uthayakumar‘s mind now with pain comparable to being continuously electrocuted in an electric chair (sic) via the spinal cord while being held in atrociously inhuman conditions created expressly to torture him mentally and physically.

The powers that be in UMNO and the whole Malay controlled government apparatchik had better ship the poor bugger out to hospital for treatment and/or surgery before he loses his mind and kills himself (or is killed). Then again, what’s another Indian “suicide” or “death” in detention, especially when it’s the egocentric and insecure Ketuanan at stake?

Sedition, my ass.

I’d like to see how Najib faces the international human rights community (or Amanpour again) if Uthayakumar’s condition deteriorates due to neglect and deliberate maltreatment.

Lim Guan Eng should for once put his opportunistic tendencies aside. If he’s really concerned about Uthayakumar, there’s no need to see him in ‘a humanitarian gesture’ (another Malaysian Firster PR exercise). He should instead go head on against Putrajaya on this – just like he did for Anwar and Teoh Beng Hock.

No prizes for guessing why the double standards when it comes to Uthayakumar.

Reader CheDebt’s comment originally @ 2013/11/07 at 10:43 am in the posting ‘Guan Eng’s purported desire to visit

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42 thoughts on “Anwar DAP mau tolong, Teoh Beng Hock DAP mau tolong, orang India DAP tak pandang

  1. Don’t worry nothing will happen to him, his brother is a deputy minister, sure got special treatment.

    1. Sure got special treatment. When indeed he is given special treatment, a BIG if, you will come here again and say it is nepotism, that the government is on a propaganda drive and so on.

      Come on la ! I know your MO. If the government does nothing, you will say the government is cruel, you will say the government is evil, you will accuse this and that.

      If, that’s a BIG if, if the government does help, then you will accuse the government again, this time of play acting to deceive the Indian community.

      What’s new about your latest accusation ? Nothing new, just recycled stuff, the stuff you always say, which is nothing but lies.

        1. I was thinking of the same thing too.

          At best, gomen buat donno jer. And give them the middle finger.

  2. Remember the Memorandum to the QE and what he wrote about the Malay UMNO and the government treatment of the Indian Malaysian community. The lies and deceptions potrayed in the letter.

    Sometimes God pay in advance for your deeds or wrongdoings in life prior to judgement day afterlife.

    Treat others good when they treat you good.

    1. Alright, to be fair the contentious words he is said to have used were “ethnic cleansing” and “mini genocide” which landed him his four-year jail sentence (1-and-1/2 years in ISA Kamunting and 2-and-1/2 years in Kajang prison).

      However you also need to be fair in appraising the truth of what Uthaya had raised about the Indian condition.

      1. Damned right. The Malay UMNO and the government cannot deny how they treated the Indian Malaysian community (Najib even admitted to it recently).

        This is why they have responded by imprisoning Uthayakumar and torturing him in retaliation and retribution for being shamed internationally.

        1. Please elaborate on how the malay umno and the government treat the indian in Malaysia.

          1. Ya, especially the ‘mini genocide’ and the ‘ethnic cleansing’ part? Helen, have you got any #Bigdata on these seditious allegations?

            1. I did request Uthaya’s lawyer the ex-DAP Adun M.Manoharan to e-mail me the charge sheet. So far he hasn’t done so.

              1. Apparently it seems that he is gonna be very busy for a long time…

                ‘Kampung Baru Bertam Valley villagers plan to file a class-action suit against Tenaga Nasional Berhad (TNB) over the mud flood that hit the village on Oct 23.

                Their lawyer M. Manogaran said that they held the power giant responsible for the disaster which occurred in the wee hours of that fateful day.

                Manogaran told theSun yesterday that villagers, who had lodged more than 100 police reports to date, were doing so as they were not satisfied with the RM200,000 that TNB had allocated to the affected families and businesses.

                He said he would be working with a committee set up by the villagers to study the possibility of legal action against TNB.

                “It will take time to file a suit as we need to collect police reports, send a notice to TNB and also collect engineers’ reports to support legal action,” he said.’


                Honestly Helen, I don’t think that they do, and I don’t think you will get any of it soon…

            1. Same drama with different actor, version 1.0 was Anwar Ibrahim, latest version…. who is he ? ohhh… no longer live in this world because he was kill by Malay UMNO.

      2. There are Indian professionals, lawyers, doctors, barbers etc.of course there are some Indian gangsters a well.

        The same applies to other races as well.

        All are give equal chances. It is the parents responsibility to bring up their children to be successful in their adulthood.

        Why blame the govt. for your own failures..

          1. With reference to the link you provided, the Indian man worked as a lorry attendant (according to the news report).

            Either that or they’re lorry drivers, Alam Flora workers (garbage collectors if we want to call a spade a spade), cleaning ladies and other blue collar employment.

            Umno did a splendid job in providing opportunities for Malays to advance so that many of you commentators here hold post-grad degrees and make up the now large Malay middle class. But the government has not done the same for the Indian community.

            Granted there are a disproportionate number of Indian lawyers and doctors but there is at the same time a wide intra-communal gap.

            And before you say, “Well why don’t these professionals help to uplift their own brethren”, the answer lies in the KJ John’s “I will never agree that I’m an Indian” or Jaclyn Victor’s “I am a Christian. I celebrate Christmas. Yau kan?” type of attitude … or Mr Hannah Yeoh’s “My Tamil is non-functioning”.

            Or there is the Ambiga high caste. She was Bar Council president 2007-2009 but Uthaya’s pet peeve is that the BC did not issue any formal protest at the ISA arrest of the Hindraf activists (all Indians) whereas the council did for the arrests Raja Petra, Teresa Kok and the Sinchew reporter Tan Hoon Cheng.

            And you see here (photo below) that Ambiga turned up to lend her moral support when Hannah Yeoh – who labels those she dislikes as “low class” – was questioned by police for sedition but Ambiga does not do the same for Uthaya.


            1. UMNO had tried…

              ‘Samy Vellu is very much in control of MIC, and he runs the party as a feudal organisation where he makes all the decisions. He has systematically hounded many capable leaders out of MIC to maintain his iron grip in the party. His deputies and committee members are loyal minions who will not hesitate to do anything and everything he says. After years in power, MIC is now a rotting mass, particularly in the head. Instead of serving the Indian community, MIC has become a party that serves only its leaders while millions of Indians face untold misery. The poor Indians have remained poor while those close to Samy Vellu became rich beyond their own expectations.’


              1. re: “while millions of Indians face untold misery. The poor Indians have remained poor”

                They are also in jail.

                re: “Umno had tried”

                From what I hear: The BN communal formula is…

                …Umno lepas tangan to MCA and MIC to look after the welfare of the Chinese and the Indians while at the top level, Umno divvies up the allocations — five for me, one for you, half for you … and the goodies are supposed to trickle down to the working class Chinese and Indians through their MCA and MIC reps.

                Look at how some leaders in MCA have been fighting to get back into Cabinet but regardless, MCA has done a better job at it than the MIC.

                After the 2008 Makkal Sakti and the 2013 Chinese tsunami, Umno decided to bypass the BN Middlemen and we thus see the 3-in-1 Datuk Seri-Ah Jib Gor and Nambikei Najib turun padang.

                As to how genuinely Umno has tried, let’s see if the Hindraf blueprint will be delivered. Signs are pointing not.

                1. ‘Umno lepas tangan to MCA and MIC to look after the welfare of the Chinese and the Indians while at the top level, Umno divvies up the allocations — five for me, one for you, half for you … ‘

                  Like how many Chinese and Indians are we talking about again in this country?

                  It can’t seriously be all 10 for 3 budak hitam, can we?

                  Anyway, what do the Malays know anyway, they are stupid enough to think that the Jus Soli would stop there…

                  Apparently it does not and look at the shit we have to deal daily for the last 50 years. Tun M was right all along!

                  1. re: “Umno divvies up the allocations — five for me, one for you, half for you … ‘ / Like how many Chinese and Indians are we talking about again in this country?”

                    Okay, I’ll rephrase: “Umno divvies up the allocations — eight for me, half for you, quarter for you … ‘

                    1. Apparently the Malays are economically deprived, statistically speaking.

                      Well, we have been colonized for hundreds of years. The country owed it to the Malays to help them too.

                      As for certain groups being neglected along the way. I say, it happens to the Malays as well. So go figure.

                    2. re: “Apparently the Malays are economically deprived, statistically speaking.”

                      WERE economically deprived.

                      Too often the politicians throw out soundbites like “the Malays were poor” before the NEP. But like you said, statistically speaking they really were. I’ve seen the data 1950s-1970s.

                      Again not many people truly appreciate the great achievement of Umno in dragging Malays kicking and screaming into the modernity of Suria KLCC and Tan Tun. We transformed from an agrarian society to living in purpose-built cities like Putrajaya and Shah Alam (Klang was the past capital of Selangor).

                      re: “Well, we have been colonized for hundreds of years. The country owed it to the Malays to help them too.”

                      Initiatives such as MRSM are excellent and as some of you wax lyrical, world standard. The country owes it now to the Indians to help them too so that Penjara Kajang and other prisons do not continue to suffer the problem of over-population highlighted by LOL.

                    3. Helen,

                      Whatever grievances Indians have, channel it properly.

                      Granted the concern are legitimate. Granted the requests are reasonable. But by sending a letter to Queen Elizabeth 11 saying UMNO led etnic cleansing is an act that is ultimate insult to Malays.

                      Indians were very lucky. try accusing aussie Govet as leading etnic cleansing and its very PM will say “sila berambus’.

                      Just as Uthaya wants Indian right to be respected, he too must accord respect to the government of the day. never mind is he does not support BN.

                    4. re: “Whatever grievances Indians have, channel it properly.”

                      Nobody took notice. If heed had been paid, the Nov 25 Hindraf rally would not have been unleashed with so much force in 2007.

                      re: “But by sending a letter to Queen Elizabeth 11 saying UMNO led etnic cleansing is an act that is ultimate insult to Malays.”

                      Uthaya’s being punished with a total of four years imprisonment for this.

                      re: “Indians were very lucky. Try accusing Aussie Govt as leading ethnic cleansing and its very PM will say “sila berambus’.”

                      Some white Aussies today are sorry for the ethnic cleansing that their forefathers carried out. See music video: “[Rock stars] Midnight Oil performed this [song] in front of a world audience of billions, (including Prime Minister John Howard who has claimed this is his favorite Midnight Oil song) at the closing ceremony of the 2000 Sydney Olympics. The whole band were dressed in black, with the words “sorry” printed conspicuously on their clothes. This was a reference to the Prime Minister’s refusal to apologize, on behalf of Australia, to the Aboriginal Australians for the way they have been treated over the last 200 years.” (source: here)

                      re: “Just as Uthaya wants Indian rights to be respected, he too must accord respect to the government of the day. Never mind if he does not support BN.”

                      Fair point.

      3. Helen ,

        No need for Uthaya to wage war against UMNO, Malays just to bring the issue on Indian interests.

  3. I have also suffered from prolapsed disc or commonly known as slipped disc before and I understand the pain we have to go through. Depending on the stages, I think CheDebt could be in stage 3 where the effect of compression has caused the lost of sensation from the nerve. Usually at this stage the patient will not be able to control their urine as the nerve in the spine no longer functioning well.

    I was probably at stage 2 where my condition was pretty bad in term of pain but not to the point of loosing control over the nerve. Specialist has recommended me for surgery but a friend of mine has recommended me to this place I went through intensive treatment for almost 7 months and alhamdulilah recovered about 80% (the same figure given to me by specialist for operation).

    I don’t want to be political in this posting, but what I want to share with all the readers the malady of having prolapsed disc. Most of the severe problem of prolapsed disc is not caused by the disease itself, but the failure to detect and treat it at early stage. The same happens to me. My wife was a nurse before and she met many severe prolapsed disc patients, all went through the same problem. Now here is the problem

    1. Back pain – many cannot distinguish between a prolapsed disc back pain and a normal back pain. Even many GP doctors won’t tell you because back pain is such a subjective ailment that is hard to diagnosis. So when you go to a doctor to complain about back pain, they will look at it and ask you to go back and rest, because rest is the best remedy for normal back pain.

    After taking many weeks of rest, the back pain won’t go, so you go back to your GP doctor again and we move to no 2.

    2. Pain killer – the GP doctor will give you pain killer, starting with plasters and then pills. The pain killer is actually the real killer in the case of prolapsed disc. After taking the pain killer, the pain gone, life goes back to normal. You thought you have recovered, but in actual fact you are not. You are in fact getting worse because by shielding your pain with pain killer, you are letting it grew without realizing it. This is also the point where many patient fall from stage 1 of prolapsed disc to stage 2. As time goes, your body become less responsive to pain killer and the prolapsed disc is getting worse. You go to your GP again and they will prescribe for you even a stronger pain killer. That will last you for another week or two only to realize that your situation is not getting any better.

    3. Moment of truth – then you decided to go to specialist. Upon seeing you, they will tell you do do MRI and then confirm that you have prolapsed disc. They will tell you that you are either in stage 2 or 3 and the only cure is to go for surgery. They will tell you that surgery will bring about 80% recovery and the prolapsed disc may occur again after 3-4 years depending on how well you take care of your back after the surgery.

    When I was at no 3, I almost decided to go under the knife, but then I met a friend of mine, whose mother also suffers from prolapsed disc and she recommended me to the place stated earlier. I was at stage 2 and was told that if you are in stage 3, even acupuncture won’t help.

    The main problem is at stage 1. If you know it is a prolapsed disc and quickly get specialist treatment (either physiotherapy or traditional acupuncture and massage) insha Allah it will recover. But if you let it grow to stage 2, your life will never be the same again.

    Before I end, let me share with you how to differentiate a normal back pain and a prolapsed disc back pain and how to run a simple diagnostic to find it out.

    A prolapsed disc back pain usually has severe pain at the back as well as at buttock and leg while a normal back pain only at your back. As it goes a bit bad, you will fill numbness in your little toe. The reason is because when the disc compressed on your nerve, the effect will be felt along the course of the nerve.

    The simple test you can do at home to see if you are suffering from prolapsed disc is to do a straight leg raise ( The logic behind this test is that as you raise your leg, if your nerve is compressed by the slipped disc, you will feel the pain when you lift up your leg.

      1. helen,
        aussie government from the day of British rule right up to just few decades were harsh towards aborigines, non whites. So, saying sorry is a right way to heal the wound.

        But definitely it cant be compared with Malaysia. It may not be perfect. But surely it is preposterous to compare Malaysia with australian record.

        All races have concerns. But if you go to the extreme, what do you expect of the opposite reaction?

        1. Kevin Rudd’s (Australian PM at the time) apology in Parliament:

          “I move:

          That today we honour the Indigenous peoples of this land, the oldest continuing cultures in human history.

          We reflect on their past mistreatment.

          We reflect in particular on the mistreatment of those who were Stolen Generations – this blemished chapter in our nation’s history.

          The time has now come for the nation to turn a new page in Australia’s history by righting the wrongs of the past and so moving forward with confidence to the future.

          We apologise for the laws and policies of successive Parliaments and governments that have inflicted profound grief, suffering and loss on these our fellow Australians.

          We apologise especially for the removal of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children from their families, their communities and their country.

          For the pain, suffering and hurt of these Stolen Generations, their descendants and for their families left behind, we say sorry.

          To the mothers and the fathers, the brothers and the sisters, for the breaking up of families and communities, we say sorry.

          And for the indignity and degradation thus inflicted on a proud people and a proud culture, we say sorry.

          We the Parliament of Australia respectfully request that this apology be received in the spirit in which it is offered as part of the healing of the nation.

          For the future we take heart; resolving that this new page in the history of our great continent can now be written.

          We today take this first step by acknowledging the past and laying claim to a future that embraces all Australians.

          A future where this Parliament resolves that the injustices of the past must never, never happen again.

          A future where we harness the determination of all Australians, Indigenous and non-Indigenous, to close the gap that lies between us in life expectancy, educational achievement and economic opportunity.

          A future where we embrace the possibility of new solutions to enduring problems where old approaches have failed.

          A future based on mutual respect, mutual resolve and mutual responsibility.

          A future where all Australians, whatever their origins, are truly equal partners, with equal opportunities and with an equal stake in shaping the next chapter in the history of this great country, Australia.”


        2. re: “But definitely it cant be compared with Malaysia. It may not be perfect. But surely it is preposterous to compare Malaysia with australian record.”

          I agree wrt to the non-comparison. It was the British that exploited the Indian cheap and ‘slave’ labour, not the Malay government. Hence the Hindraf lawsuit was directed at the Queen of England and not petitioned to our YDP Agong.

          re: “All races have concerns. But if you go to the extreme, what do you expect of the opposite reaction?”

          We can take a leaf from the Aussies. The majority whites have acknowledged that they created a problem (an understatement) for the Aborigines.

          The first step is for the majority Malays to acknowledge that yes, there is an Indian Problem, and it’s the elephant in the room which the opposition Firsters are helpfully denying by insisting that there is no such thing as an Indian (or Malay or Chinese) race, and by their calling Hindraf “racists” and “extremists”.

          1. Helen, if you had read the Hindraf surat, I have feed you the last time we talk about this, I’m sure you would be aware of the fact that they were demonizing the Melayu Gomen making a mockery of the YDP since in Queen E, they trusts!

    1. Yes, Rina, there is.

      A Malaysian of Indian descent qualifies for the People of Indian Origin-PIO card (travel document for entering) issued by the government of India if his parent(s) or grandparent(s) or great grandparent(s) was born in and permanently resident in India. See,

      re: “This Hindraf fella also ran off there or to United Kingdom, betul ke?”

      When Waythamoorthy was in London, he was given political asylum by the British government.

      1. So how many percent of these people are crying fowl here in Malaysia of being discriminated bla bla when they have an open ticket to return whenever they pleases back to India?

        They so claimed ethnic cleansing, genocide and all the rubbish for the last 50yrs their being in Malaysia yet they still hang around?

        And if you look at the list of population worldwide, they should flood Great Britian in bigger numbers, once being their labourers.. why so many remained in Malaysia? And out of the 1m given free citizenship, are many are actually genuine how many obtained their citizenship via illegal means?

        Tak masuk akal. Kena siasat ni.

  4. Thanks to the NEP, the Malays (some if not the majority) have achieved middle-class status. Being middle class is not enough. As the majority race, the Malays should also control at least 70% of the economic pie, not the Chinese. BBCD (Boikot Barangan Cina Dap) campaign has shown some impacts on Chinese businesses but it is still not enough. The government has to formulate a more effective strategy for the Malays to achieve this objective. Alibaba businesses should be stopped.

    As for the poor Indians, I don’t give a damn. Why should I when their own kind (the rich Indians) don’t give 2 hoots about their plight? The British should also be responsible since they were the ones who brought the Indians here.

    On Uthaya’s issue, Helen, your effort to highlight his so-called injustice treatment is commendable. But why Ambiga, Tony Fernandez, Karpal Singh, just to name a few, are keeping mum?

    1. re: “The government has to formulate a more effective strategy for the Malays to achieve this objective.”


      First step: Get CIMB to advertise in Utusan and not Malaysiakini, The Malaysian Insider and The J-Star, can or not?

    2. Re. But why Ambiga, Tony Fernandez, Karpal Singh, just to name a few, are keeping mum?

      “We are not Indian actually”.

  5. salam…

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    kilang banyak jew… ramai jew melayu yg jadi kuli batak kat kilang nih… india plaks ramai jd eng/pengurusan… kenapew tak dew india yg nak jadi kuli batak jew mcm melayu..

    klo adew pown 100 melayu 1 india dan 400 melayu sorg cina jd kuli batak.. salah gomen lagi kew… atau kami melayu pown nak merenggek renggek tak nak jd kuli batak…. adakah gomen mesti bg brim brim brim tanpa org2 m’sia mahu cari mkn dgn keringat sendiri… sapu sampah cuci tandas ramai jew melayu gak.. apa masaalahnyew… halal kan kan kan… salah siape… usaha usaha usaha….. jgn duk semua menda tak betol….

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