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Kenapa MCA mahu mengheret orang Cina masuk persengketaan ‘Allah’?

Timbalan presiden MCA Liow Tiong Lai hari ini mengakui hakikat bahawa sejak terjadinya tsunami Cina, unsur-unsur pengasingan dan perpecahan kaum semakin ketara diperlihatkan di persada nasional.

Dalam ucapan beliau kepada perwakilan MCA ketika merasmikan upacara pelantikan ahli jawatankuasa bahagian Kelana Jaya, Liow berkata partinya perlu memainkan peranan untuk menjaga kestabilan dan perpaduan di antara kaum.

Namun Ketua Pemuda MCA sendiri tidak berbuat demikian tetapi sebaliknya Wee Ka Siong telah bertindak untuk menjarakkan lagi jurang polarisasi masyarakat.

Wee dianggap “jadi musibat serupa puak-puak DAP” kerana bantahannya terhadap titah Sultan Selangor yang mengarah supaya penggunaan kalimah Allah dalam Bible dan juga penerbitannya dalam The Herald dihentikan serta merta.

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Puan Speaker menyelar Menteri-Menteri Dalam Jabatan Perdana Menteri, Idris Jala dan Paul Low

Tidak melibatkan Cina tetapi melibatkan Kristian

Sebenarnya orang Cina yang menganut agama Buddha atau yang mengamalkan cara dao (Taoisme) atau yang mengikut ajaran Confucius langsung TIDAK berminat dan tidak pernah menggunakan kalimah Allah.

Jadi kenapa Ketua Pemuda Wee Ka Siong mahukan partinya MCA, selaku the Malaysian ‘Chinese’ Association, sengaja membabitkan orang Cina dalam pertelingkahan di antara evangelista dengan pihak berkuasa Islam?

Saya ulang: Ia bukan kaum Cina yang bertelingkah dengan umat Islam perihal kalimah Allah. Ia hanya Cina fanatik penghuni Jerusubang yang beriya-iya cari gaduh.

KOMAMCA = DAP = MCA = DAP

Adakah MCA sekarang ini sudah mendokong perjuangan parti Kristian DAP?

Apa maksud Wee membantah titah Sultan? Tiada alasan untuk MCA campurtangan dalam persengketaan Lim Guan Eng dan konco-konco evangelistanya menentang golongan Muslim berhubungkait perkara ini.

Kenapa MCA tidak membiarkan sahaja Speaker Selangor menangani sebuah isu dalam negerinya?

Sebelum ini, Hannah Yeoh ada mendakwa bahawa “Perdana Menteri terus mengelak isu kontroversi dengan [memilih untuk] mendiam diri. Beliau mentweet seolah-olah tidak ada apa-apa yang berlaku, contohnya laporan AG, isu Allah” (lihat tweet, bawah).

Mengata dulang paku serpih, mengata orang Hannah yang lebih.

“Puan Speaker terus mengelak isu kontroversi dengan [memilih untuk] mendiam diri. Beliau mentweet seolah-olah tidak ada apa-apa yang berlaku di negerinya Selangor, contohnya bertambah ketidakyakinan Adun terhadap kepimpinan MB, isu Allah.

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  1. My ethnicity was questioned again in postings by a couple of folks – Islam 1st for one. Let me very clear of my ethnicity and exposes the challenges faced by ethnic group.

    I am Cina Peranakan. If you read your history books carefully, my ethnic group is the bunch that came with the Puteri and the ones that populated the land of Melaka, thus a little hill with our namesake. We are Chinese but with Malay DNA.

    Because of the time we are in Malaya we have lost a lot of our Chineseness. We used to speak Malay and for many of us English but we are extremely bad in Chinese – some of us cannot read or write Chinese. If you trace properly our dialect group, it is clearly Mandarin but many of us a not proficient at all. Our skin colour is quite brown and some of us do not have the “mata sepet”. We have quite unique cultures – Chinese culture with lots of Malay elements.

    Now enter the 2nd and 3rd generation from the South China. The ones who came during the Qing and post Qing era in which the majority of the Malaysian Chinese populace are. They come from Fujian, Guangdong or Hainan. Their mother tongues are Hockien, Cantonese etc but clearly not Mandarin.

    Let me share my community’s grouses towards the 2nd and 3rd generations.

    The Mandarin rule

    My community is discriminated as we are told we are Bananas who cannot speak Mandarin. Like SARAH said many of the Uncles and Aunties cannot speak Mandarin as damn well their mother tongue is Hockien and Cantonese. These people have hijacked my culture and used in as their own.

    Why ‘Mulan’? Because from history I am a Northerner and my DNA with my namesake is quite a lot. I personally have been discriminated in job interviews as I do not have paper qualifications in Mandarin. I also have Malay DNA too –remember the Sultan.

    The Malay culture

    The Peranakan culture is Chinese with a lot of Malay elements. The best of both worlds. Today this culture has been eroded by these 2nd and 3rd generations who populate and control institutions such as the MCA. (Tan Cheng Lock was Peranakan).

    I spoke to some Peranakan’s and they told me they have to abandon their culture and adopt the “Chinese” culture i.e. abandon Malay and speak Mandarin.

    In fact anybody thinks they can be Peranakan. Just buy a Peranakan dress, wear it, Instagram it and wallah Peranakan. We Peranakans have our kuihs, our Malay-Chinese fushion dishes (like roti babi is one) and we dondang sayang.

    We don’t press for the Mandarin rule and don’t press that we are more high class. (The merger of two royal families makes us supremo high class. Instead we are pressed by the coolie migrant Chinese.)

    In the 90s, my ethnic group actually wanted to separate out from the 2nd and 3rd generation Chinese was not granted so. If the Portuguese can become Bumiputera, why not the Peranakans. Certainly the Peranakans culturally are different from the 2nd and 3rd generation Chinese. I for one do not want Bumi status but bloody RESPECT from the 2nd and 3rd generation Chinese.

    To start off, stop the stupid Mandarin rule. Mandarin is the actually mother tongue of my people and so is Malay. Stop hijacking my Mandarin.

    The same grouse comes from one Indian friend of mine. She is discriminated because she cannot speak Tamil. She is told she is NOT Indian. Well it is NOT the fault of hers as she is Maruti. Not able to speak Tamil because you are Maruti makes you UNINDIAN and Banana.

    Now, there is a new group. Those who deliberately not want to speak their mother tongue so that they can be high class. We know of the deliberate non-functional Tamils.

    I also know of the non-functional Hockiens who insist their kids speak Mandarin and English. A, there are not from Beijing or Wei Guo and anywhere close where you can sit a bus.

    B, they have no English blood. They just reinvent themselves with a new identity for become more “high class” but you can see the Cockney in them.

    In short be proud of your ethnicity. I AM. I can read and write Malay and English. I have bad Mandarin and I am taking steps to improve.

    (For those who want to hijack my Mandarin so that they can be more Chinese – I say FUCK you. You live in Malaysia – don’t say you have non-functional Malay. Go and get your identity. Please do not insist your highclassness. My people come from 2 royal families and yet we do not carry the mark High Class Supremo on our Passports.)

    1. well said mulan. tamadun cina hanya berlaku disebelah utara & timur laut. salah satu bukti ialah ‘the great wall’. di selatan ada apa entah. nak tulis banyak2, nanti ada yg melompat. cheers!

      1. DAP ideologues are Anti-Confucian by virtue of their Marxist-Socialist Manifesto – therefore “atheist in principle” and “socially classless” (however far the LIm Dynasty and their court ministers may innovate on these their supposed convictions!) …. now the serpents of hypocrisy and confusion have reared their ugly heads to terrorize Malaysians of all races.

      2. tak tahu boleh tanya, jangan asyik sindir menyindir.

        tamadun memang mula di utara, ini pilihan tuhan, allah, god, tian etc etc, bukan u atau i. pendek kata, utara dapat meneruskan sebagai pusat pemerintah sampai beribu tahun ada kelebihannya :

        1) punca geografi dimana utara ada banyak dataran manakala selatan lebih gunung, dataran memudahkan bersatu dan gunung memisahkan penduduk dimana siapa siapa boleh bermain peranan laksamana 2) kuda, ko benar baca cavalry mongol kan? orang utara mahir menungang kuda yang merupakan ‘senjata’ utama dalam peperangan.

        tapi dari seki talent dan pegawai, kebanyakan masa kalu tak ada polisi perkauman dan discriminasi, dua pertiga dari menteri dan pegawai wujud dari selatan.

        nota sampingan, bukan semua suka melompat, ada orang yg bising cina tak pakai ‘chinese dress’ semacam itu satu satu nya ciri kecinaan, tapi bila orang mengulas bahasa cina nya macam budak tadika, dia pula lompat macam punggung kena api. kelakar la budak tu.

        1. tamadun memang mula di utara, ini pilihan tuhan, allah, god, tian etc etc, bukan u atau i. pendek kata, utara dapat meneruskan sebagai pusat pemerintah sampai beribu tahun ada kelebihannya :

          Sekarang saya faham mengapa Santa Claus datang dari Kutub Utara dan bukannya Kutub Selatan. Utara bertamadun.

          ? orang utara mahir menungang kuda yang merupakan ‘senjata’ utama dalam peperangan.

          Orang Selatan tunggang kerbau ke?

          1. Mulan, I was mirroring the Mulan haters, by saying that you are a Melayu. Helen had posted that some regulars here, you included, are Cina. Its not a problem for me.

            A lot of Malays, are peranakans as well. The Kedahans are definitely peranakans by nature, either, arab, india, persia or what not. Thus, we could not care less about Tun M being a Kutty or Anwar being a Tamil! We really don’t

            The PM had been a Siamese peranakans, A Bugis, A Jawi peranakans, A Jawi peranakans, A Jawi Peranakans and now a Cina loving Bugis!

            Penang Mamaks lagi la triple time over peranakans.

            My maternal grandfather is a Siamese, speaks fluent Siamese, different from Hokkien sounding (at times) Tais. My maternal grandmother is a Che who looks like Pie, the famous comedian. My mom looks Siamese, with sepet eyes, just like Helen and fair skins. My Maktih, her elder sister looks like a penang anak mami, with dark skins to boot!

            My paternal grandfather is a Siamese, he had been very fair, for a guy. My cousins are fairer than some Penang’s Tng Langs, with lipstick red lips! My paternal grandmother is a Ku who had Jawi features, she had big and deep eyes, and slightly dark skinned. Either Indian, Persia or Arab, I could not be bothered. She could be a kutty too! She is still around at 100+ years old. In fact She had just arrived in KL from Kulim tonight. Alhamdullilah. Semoga Allah panjangkan umur beliau. Amin.

            Myself is dark skinned. I had people say, that I don’t look typical Melayu. I would not mind if they called me an Indian, but I don’t have that hidung mancung. Mine is slightly broad. An arab had thought that I had Arab blood. One Ayya had spoken Tamil to me, years ago. Some Tamil speaking Indians, from India, had been asking among themselves, whether I’am a Mamak who can speak Tamil or a Malay, by looking at me, they can’t be sure. So there you go.

            Mulan, your ethnicity it was never an issue for me. But if you remember, someone had label you as a Cina poser due to your sikap berterus terang on Cinas.

            As for myself, I only tries hard to mirror. Sometime not as successful as other times.

            1. The problem with these new comers is that they are so narrow minded that can see a single color race. Assimilation and adaptation can never happen. They think only Hockiens and Cantonese live in a coccoon. They don’t mingle and the think China is a very small country. They fail to see the Han are made up of hundreds of dialect groups.

              In their Aryan manner they take comfort their ignorance and they develop a superiority facade. Zheng He is a Muslim. Zhang Ziyi recently married her muslim chinese boyfriend. Sandy Lam is Shanghainese. But to these people Chinese are a few dialect groups.

              They think cantonese and hockiens live in Muhibbah. Bull the riots in 1880s in Penang and Hai Sin snd Ghee Hin rivalries should they used to rival esch other. Until today on 7th day of the New Year the Hockiens prayed that the saved from the Hockien Hollocaust.

            2. 1st. I am OK. The problem with these people is that they see only the purity of race. They deliberately deny evolution. When the work outside Malaysia, then they will know.

              One friend of mine went to China. She got hell of a time. (She studied at the Sekolah Cina Private) She speaks Mandarin to her workers. The workers talked back. What can Mother China gain from employing a Hua Jiou? Hua Jiou… aka outsider.

              In China, Malaysian Chinese are Hua Jiou.
              Hujan di negeri orang, is what the Malay’s say.

              Jauh perjalanan luas pandangan.

          2. orang cakap pasal sino itu budak masih berangan-angan watak pujaan nya pasti omputih.

            tak kan chengho tunggang unta ke sini, mesti berlayar dgn kapal la, ini budak mana mali, tak benar baca chengyu “northern people are riders and the southern people sailors”

            duh!

    2. Quote: “I also know of the non-functional Hockiens who insist their kids speak Mandarin and English. A, there are not from Beijing or Wei Guo and anywhere close where you can sit a bus.”

      Er, isn’t this the very same thing your Peranakan ancestors did when they decide to forsake their Chinese roots to assimilate into a new culture by encouraging their offspring to take up foreign languages? (bahasa Melayu and English)

      Quote: “To start off, stop the stupid Mandarin rule. Mandarin is the actually mother tongue of my people and so is Malay. Stop hijacking my Mandarin.”

      Your Mandarin? The beauty of languages is they are freely accessible to all, yellow, white, brown or black, that chose to learn and speak it. Just for the record, it was your ancestors that made the decision of forsaking their Chinese culture by assimilation. Well, not that there’s anything wrong with that, it’s just that it’s better to be honest and acknowledge it was the Peranakans that forsake the Chinese in the first place, not the other way round. So to demand the Chinese, (albeit the low class non-royal lineage ones) to bow and give you your due respect is, er, pushing it?

      1. Between 1450 and 1912 what do you expect Peranakans to do? Take Air Asia back to Cina ke? And the Ubah from Ming to Ching. We have no choice but to assimilate. We did not abandon our culture it is very intact. We added Malay elements.

        I expect these kind of flak from the sin khek. The same racial shit like what the mamaks are subjected.

        Ps. The peranakan still have roots and baju until today. So that hy and his kind can bergambar untuk wedding di Peranakan Mansion.

        Singapore treats the peranakan culture better. There is a dedicated museum on my culture there.

        1. Quote: “I expect these kind of flak from the sin khek. The same racial shit like what the mamaks are subjected.”

          Here you go. The ‘racial’ word seems to be all the rage these days. It is the ‘go to’ word for indolent peeps who find it taxing to come up with a good rhetoric in the face of confrontation though I see you find it perfectly acceptable and racist-free to denigrate and chastise the Chinese on their wont and practices ranging from language to social norm on any given opportunity. But God forbid, not when you are on the receiving end.

          Back in the 80s, everyone was learning Japanese. As the wheel of fortune turned, it is now Mandarin. It is a natural progression for the younger literate Chinese generation to surpass the generation before them. (as with all other races) You view this progression in disdain and see their use of English as an advancement tool to elevate their status, the Peranakan elitism your ancestors once held now eroded by the onslaught of new-Chinese from the lower class, gasp, that spoke English. Worse, these offspring from those low class Chinese coolies apart from their mother tongue, now have the nerve to try master Mandarin, the considered creme de la crème among the Chinese dialects. Bet that was the last straw eh?

          Quote: “Between 1450 and 1912 what do you expect Peranakans to do? Take Air Asia back to Cina ke? And the Ubah from Ming to Ching.”

          Though Air Asia fly 3 or 4 times a day to China, that does not mean the Malaysian Chinese today does not share your ancestors’ predicament. Having born in Malaysia, this is the only country they know. They cannot nor do they want to balik Cina. Your ancestors chose to assimilate, the Chinese today don’t. It is a matter of choice and needless to say, each has to live and face the consequences of their decision.

          1. Worse, these offspring from those low class Chinese coolies apart from their mother tongue, now have the nerve to try master Mandarin, the considered creme de la crème among the Chinese dialects. Bet that was the last straw eh?

            The original dialect Penang Chinese Girls School used was Hockien. Why the sudden turn to Mandarin in the 1940s? Why not stick with Hockien.

            Strange to know the founding fathers of Chinese politics were all Peranakan. Cheng Lock and Chong Eu were Chinese illiterate. They fought for jus soli for the sin kheks. Their mortal enemy was the Japanese and later Chin Peng. These Peranakan men fought for the migrants.

            The Mandarin thing? Have you noticed of any employers who do not use the Mandarin prerequisite? Sorry. Chinese must know Mandarin. Using this logic Cheng Lock and Chong Eu in todays standards are unfit leaders as they cannot speak Mandarin. Chin Peng to many have been upgraded to hero.

            The nerve to master Mandarin? The recent Guangdong games opened the Mandarin controversy. Mandarin is still considered a foreign tongue in Guangzhou.
            http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jul/25/protesters-guangzhou-protect-cantonese

            Mandarin is the national dialect in the PRC, not Malaysia. So don’t exclude anyone who does not Mandarin from jobs unless it is jobs that require Mandarin such as language teacher. Do you need Mandarin to supervise Malay operators?

            1. I bet you would require Melaka Portuguese to speak Portuguese, mamaks to speak Tamil. The crime of these people is that they stayed here too long. Any Sikhs or Gujuratis should speak Tamil.

              In fact my challenge to the Hockien, go and learn proper Hockien, like the dialect on Hua Hee Tye and not the pidgin Malay 30%, English 50% and lain Hockien, Penang Hockien Dialect.

              Oh yes in polite Cantonese we go to the Sai Sau Kan and not the Chi So. Polite people are not interested that you Or See or Sai Sau.

              To the Hockien go to Say Chiu Pang and not Jam Ban.

              Untuk kawan2 bukan Cina. Saya berdiskusi mengenai perkataan yang sopan untuk tandas. Perkataan yang sopan tidak digunakan di Malaysia.

              And this is not an observation but from a Hong Konger.

            2. sorry to say this, yr grasp of ming history (yr ancestor?) is no different with ‘your mandarin’, equally poor. a malay with moniker hasan is many times knowledgeable than u.

              nowadays mandarin is actually a mixture of northern and southern mandarin, but mainly base on beijing dialect when qing emperor yong zheng make it the official language, while the southern mandarin become widely used when emperor yongle move the ming capital from nanjing (south) to beijing (north), half of the official that move along is actually southerner, for instance, zhenghe. thus ‘your mandarin’ could be a southerner language, unless your ancestor move here after ming, ie during qing period, r u ?

              the one that make mandarin rule in nanyang is a peranakan name lky. this bugger try to get rid not only dialect, and he closed down nantah. surprisingly the other joker 10 failed lky policies mentioned nothing about this, show that birds of a feather flock together.

              1. the one that make mandarin rule in nanyang is a peranakan name lky. this bugger try to get rid not only dialect, and he closed down nantah. surprisingly the other joker 10 failed lky policies mentioned nothing about this, show that birds of a feather flock together.

                Birds of a feather flock together. There are creatures that love to stick around the birds while the birds ak47 their droppings on them. The creature is an Edgewhy.

                You must be very free. If you think 1st or AK or me to be utter idiots you should not stay around us. You are so narcissistic that you need our attention.

                If you choose to answer this, then AK, 1st and me, have a right to talk back. It is shows you are a little person who is seeking for attention.

              2. HY. You are plain ignorant and hollow. The closing down of Nantah and the vernacular schools should also take place in our beloved Malaysia – the only foreign country which has not done so and should have been done a long time ago. See the dicotomy of the communities now ! You Malaysian or not ? History will draw the line.

            3. btw y malaysian have to learn proper hockian, or proper cantonese or proper english, we r what we r, just like if u r a chinese, u r one regardless if u wear a chinese dress or speak the language.

              your writing generates a lot more questions than they provide answers, yr logic and comprehension of what it mean to be a chinese really screwed.

              1. HY. As the Cantonese say ‘ Your saliva is more than your phlegm !’ Talk less and think more with your hollow head ! Your English is very poor because you acquired the inferiortiy complex of a vernacular school education ! You are jealous of everyone except yourself !

          2. I would not think the Peranakan Chinese culture can be considered assimilation, as it has many non-Malay characteristics such as ancestor worship, belief in Chinese deites, extensive use of Chinese script, pork-based cuisines, for example.

            1. AC-DC

              Short of embracing Islam, the early Peranakans covered all grounds, integrating themselves into the Malay society seamlessly through their spoken dialect and dressing.

        2. “Singapore treats the peranakan culture better. There is a dedicated museum on my culture there.”

          if u r into music, the 80’s singaporean really create some wonderful songs that reflected the life, emotion and history of the island, which some of us here did share the same sentiment. n I also curious y singaporean could do better in this industry…culture, music and arts.

            1. Haiya Mulan stop being apologetic to these kakis.

              Your maternal ancestors are Melayu, so it is only natural to treats you guys with kuih, baju kebaya and dondang sayangs!

              Our pantuns had travelled far and wide. Cuba tanya Dante?

              Ah… these coolies, what do they know anyway?!

              1. Yes. Royal family Beijing plus royal family Melaka. Very good DNA
                Ah… these coolies, what do they know anyway?!
                Even the maids avoid them too

          1. HY. I a Malaysian Cantonese, sponsored the 1st Exhibition of Straits Chinese Gold Jewellery, ‘ Gilding the Phoenix ‘ at the Singapore National Museum, 1992. A coffee table book was published. The Permaisuri Agong of Malaysia and Lee Kuan Yew, the full Cabinet, all the MPs and the Pyramid Club and 24,000 members of the Public visited the Exhibition. This was the beginning of the promotion of the Fine Arts by the Singapore Govt. I brought in Christies and Spinks to auction the Straits Chinese and SEA paintings and artefacts. They are in Singapore to this day. What do you know, Big Mouth ? What do you know !

  2. “Ia hanya Cina fanatik penghuni Jerusubang yang beriya-iya cari gaduh.”

    ini juga taktik jahat nak tunjukkan orang Sarawak (Bumiputera Kristian) yang UMNO jahat dan membuli mereka. Itulah taktik terbaik DAP masuk dan mempengaruhi orang Sarawak. Sarawak kan “FD” BN. Pergunakan isu kalimat Allah dan pecah “FD” di Sarawak. Pandai tak!

    1. Its not possible that they yearn for Sudan situation with Sabah and Sarawak carved up by the Church and separated from Malaya. With a dwindling Chinese population but increasing non Malay non Muslim Bumis population especially in Sarawak, the DAP and their judeo chhristo fanatics will fan the flames of anti Malay/Muslim hatred in their sidangs.

      I have been to a DAP rally in Kuching during the state election in 2010 and saw and heard myself their language in Sarawak. While in the peninsular they tell their sheeples that they and PAS can coexist with different ideologies, the DAP peddle anti Muslim sentiment in Sarawak, hence BN agent of anti Christ slogans plus they keep promising that Malaysia will not be a Muslim State,

      why raise this issue when Malaysia does not have Islamic laws that adversely affect non Muslims. DAP need not promote a DAP-PAS allaince as PAS is irrelevant in Sarawak, hence they use Muslim=Bogie man among Sarawakian Christians.

      Shamefully, the Mr. No Racial Politics aka Karpal Singh also peddle the notion that DAP will prevent Islamic state of Hudud of ever being implemented in Malaysia, ironic that he has to create interreligious issues for political leverage. Oh well..politicians will be politicians.. but DAP level is the one being the anti Christ agents, not BN.

      BN may have problems with rasuah, but being antichrist agent is too much a complement.

    2. re: “Sebenarnya orang Cina yang menganut agama Buddha atau yang mengamalkan cara dao (Taoisme) atau yang mengikut ajaran Confucius langsung TIDAK berminat dan tidak pernah menggunakan kalimah Allah.”

      “Do not think you can circumscribe the universe is; it will only hurt your mind. Hence, leave the mystery of Allah Most High and Sublime to Himself: What good is there in conceptualizing the Source of Infinity as a “Threesome God” partly bound by space and time in creation?

      Better to purify the heart and to serve others … improving oneself to meet death, for eternal life in the hereafter.

      [YouTube]

  3. Just a few questions here for the readers to comment:-

    1. Isn’t the decision of the Court of Appeal is binding on The Herald only, meaning that only parties to the case are bound by the judgement?

    2. Is there any legal basis for a fatwa issued by the state Islamic authority to be enforceable on the non-Muslims? On the same point, are non-Muslims bound by the laws under the state Islamic enactments?

    3. Whether the Sultan (being the head for the state Islamic affairs) has any power to issue directive to the non-Muslims?

    1. malaysiamaju,

      If one care to read the Constitution, one will realise that the Yang DiPertuan Agong is to defend ISLAM. But it goes hand to hand in defending the legitimate interests of other communities.

      In this case, one must remember that Sultan of Selangor is the head of islam for Selangor. And do remember that His Highness is also Sovereign of Selangor.

      The problem is not that complicated. Over ambitious preaches from christendom uses the opportunity when the government of the day fails to show resolute and firmness expected of any government.

      As i [person who live and witness how stable a government can be like the days of Tun Hussen and tun Dr mahathir, I strongly believe that these hypocrites will not cross words with the government had it shown decisiveness.

      1. SA,

        Thanks for the reply but you are not responding to my questions directly. I would appreciate a straight forward answer as I am really confused by this kalimah Allah dispute. Perhaps you can answer whether Yes or No together with your explanation.

        1. Malaysiamaju,

          Yup. His Highness can issue directive that affects non Muslims. This is simply because the sultan is a sovereign to Selangor.

          As for kalimah “allah’, it is actually a straight forward matter. It affects the very foundation of islam. Allowing non Muslim to refer what they perceive as God as ‘allah” dilutes the meaning of Allah as what Muslim believe.

          It is tantamount to asking christianity that there is no such thing that Jesus is God or son of God.

          1. SA,

            Re: Yup. His Highness can issue directive that affects non Muslims. This is simply because the sultan is a sovereign to Selangor.

            You may refer here for the opinion of one of the most reputable constitutional expert:

            http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/state-rulers-have-no-right-to-dictate-religion-to-non-muslims-says-constitu

            I quote the relevant opinion here:

            “The authority of the rulers as heads of religion only applies to Muslims within their respective states.”

            As far as I know, the Sultan has no power to legislate/enact laws that affect non-Muslims in the context of non-Islamic religion practices.

            1. malaysiamaju,

              Exactly who gives the title ‘constitution expert” to this Dr Aziz? What make him so “expert’ as compared to Dr Ramlah Adam or Dr Ridhuan Tee?

              Of course Sultan Selangor is head of islam in Selangor. But he is also the sovereign of Selangor.

              “non islamic…’

              We are talking about the abuse of the very foundation of Islam.

              1. ‘Exactly who gives the title ‘constitution expert” to this Dr Aziz?’

                Him being in the Pakatan camp long enough, he must one hell of an expert! Others are simply UMNO goons or running dogs!

                What else is new with these jokers?!

              2. SA,

                I have no idea on your academic background. But for students from public universities majoring in law, Aziz Bari is indeed one of the most prominent thinkers in constitutional law amongst the academia.

                Let us not ‘attack’ a person based on his political affiliation. Try to look at the merits of his opinion instead. Let me put forward my points below and I await your reply.

                1. The Court of Appeal decision on the Allah issue is only binding to the parties of the case, i.e. The Herald. As such, the rule does not extend to the general population of non-Muslims.

                2. Sultan of Selangor as the Head of Islam issued a directive to the non-Muslims forbidding the use of the word Allah. The Sultan’s power as the Head of Religion is only limited to Islam and Muslims. His Highness has no powers over the conduct of non-Islamic faith.

                3. Any fatwas issued by state Islamic authority has no legal standing unless codified in the state Islamic enactment. Even if codified, the enactment is only applicable to Muslims. The rule of thumb here is religious law has no application to non-believers.

                Thanks.

                1. Malaysiamaju, .

                  Rest assured I am not attacking Dr Aziz Bari. Just because so many useless politicians from PR are fond to hit below the belt does not mean you can I assume that i am so eager to follow their sordid means.

                  What i am questioning is who or which authoritative body “conferred” the title to him. We have so many other experts. Why they are not accorded similar status?

                  The answer lies in the fact that he leans towards PR. It is that simple.

                  His Highness never intervenes in conduct of Non islamic faith. His Highness only intervened when non muslim overzealous minority preachers interfere in Muslim affair.

                  I already expect you or Dr Aziz to reject sultan’s directive. What can we expect from preachers who are so eager to preach christianity to Muslims.

                  1. SA,

                    I am looking forward for a constructive exchange of opinion with you. That is the reason why I laid down my thoughts point by point and was hoping that you will respond one by one.

                    Let us put aside Aziz Bari. Put aside BN and PR. Put politics aside. Let us look at the issue in a more targeted and specific manner, i.e. the powers of the Sultan as the head of state. I reproduced my points here:-

                    1. The Court of Appeal decision on the Allah issue is only binding to the parties of the case, i.e. The Herald. As such, the rule does not extend to the general population of non-Muslims.

                    2. Sultan of Selangor as the Head of Islam issued a directive to the non-Muslims forbidding the use of the word Allah. The Sultan’s power as the Head of Religion is only limited to Islam and Muslims. His Highness has no powers over the conduct of non-Islamic faith.

                    3. Any fatwas issued by state Islamic authority has no legal standing unless codified in the state Islamic enactment. Even if codified, the enactment is only applicable to Muslims. The rule of thumb here is religious law has no application to non-believers.

                    Alternatively, if you are not comfortable with my points you can always initiate yours and I will respond accordingly.

                    Re: I already expect you or Dr Aziz to reject sultan’s directive.

                    This is a serious accusation. If a person is legally bound by the Sultan’s directive, then I would have committed and offense and liable to be punished. On the other hand, if the directive has no legal basis then there is nothing wrong in rejecting it. So, shall we examine the Sultan’s power?

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