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Perception survey: “Chinese do not accept Islam as the state religion”

Listed below in bullet points are the results of a survey of 200 government officials and academicians, taken at a dialogue organized by the National Civics Bureau.

The table on the ‘Malay-Chinese chasm is compiled by Malaysiakini and presented by Gerakan central committee member Dominic Lau who said that if this alarming trend were to continue, “our country will become unstable”.

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As Gerakan’s Dominic Lau had mentioned, the incapacity to communicate (with substance) leading to each side (Malay and Chinese) having such “divergent views” is largely due to “irresponsible leadership and politicians”.

Needless to say, Malaysia is in truly trouble when politicians propelled to top Pakatan positions are narcissistic, mindless midgets who assiduously cultivate a cult following of twits.

But regardless, do let us intelligently discuss the Chinese mindset vs the Malay mindset as surveyed by the National Civics Bureau (see below).

Among the inter-ethnic perspectives, the item that said “Chinese keep demanding but never respect Malay thinking” caused me to chuckle.

It’s quite true; if the Dapsters and evangelistas cannot even respect the nature of Allah as it is unanimously conceived by billions of Muslims around the world – adherents which of course include the Malays here – then how can the Chinese possibly be expected to respect all the less vital issues?

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29 thoughts on “Perception survey: “Chinese do not accept Islam as the state religion”

  1. Please do not mix politics, race and religion, especially Islam. Islam is a universal religion. Who cares whether the Chinese accept or reject Islam? Just don’t be ignorant when the Chinese Muslim population is more than the population in Malaysia! I take offence as I am a 2nd generation Chinese Muslim.

    1. As a Chinese Muslim you will be still be viewed suspiciously as Muslim because non Malay Muslim especially Chinese Muslim will always be viewed as inferior Muslim unless you fight for Malay right like ridhuan tee

      1. malay muslim welcomes chinese muslim.. if you hear ..do we malays object malays from married Chinese or foreigner almost 0.001%.. how about chinese parent knowing their son or daughter married malay.. 110% objected with harsh punishment..

        1. re: “malay muslim welcomes chinese muslim.. if you hear ..do we malays object malays from married Chinese or foreigner almost 0.001%.. how about chinese parent knowing their son or daughter married malay.. 110% objected with harsh punishment..”

          What you say is true, race-wise.

          However … do you Malays object when Malays marry Chinese or Indian and the Malay lass changes her religion to Christianity?

          “110% objected with harsh punishment..” Lina Joy, Aishah Bukhari …

          1. thanks for reply.. the answer is when related to religion, we are not tolerate.. for further and best answer please ask Haji Hadi Awang.. if based on my knowledge, what happen around family is being question in judgement day and punishable.. the biggest sin and only not being forgiven in islam is not believing Allah..

      2. This is falsehood. I’m a Malay and I love other Muslims like my own brother regardless of race.

    2. I believe in you. It has nothing to do with Islam or Malays. Its synonym.

      The MAIN problem are Chineses themselves. They never learn to respect others; have chance, being repeatedly provocatives on the core sensitive issues such as Islam Religion / Azan ( muslims call for prayer ) / race ( undermining Malays ) , Kalimah Allah, Sultan / Raja and Perlembagaan Malaysia. Whatever that concern Malays.

      A few with bad manners – ‘keras kepala’ disobeying, initiate and all abuse verbal, physical by challenging Majlis Perbandaran’s Enforcement Officers (mostly Malays). Just imagine that the officers are not in uniforms, what will happen then ? Another race riot maybe ?

      Sadly, Chinese Political leaders are the most culprits after all on these ugly behaviours. They just forgot being Rakyat Malaysia !

      Semua salah UMNO ?

      1. Our post-communist Chinese culture are now steeped in capitalism and romanticized gambling: big-time or small-time it has degraded the psychology of the Chinese people and driven them worldly-wise ….. while largely relegating spiritual and philosophical contemplations into the backroom.

        The Macau Syndrome: A Societal Catastrophe [YouTube]

        Malaysia Developing a Gambling Culture:
        http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/opinion/2011/06/11/malaysia-developing-a-gambling-culture/

        High stakes gambling in Penang:
        http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/police-bust-largest-gambling-ring-in-penang

        Problematic On-Line Gaming Sets in on Malaysia
        http://www.theborneopost.com/2013/06/23/the-bane-of-online-gambling-sets-in/

        GAMBLERS REHAB CENTER MALAYSIA
        http://www.akpk.org.my/learning/articles-and-tips/id/550/gamblers-rehab-centre-malaysia-grcm

        1. re: “degraded the psychology of the Chinese people”

          If you take a peek into an 4-Ekor or Sports Toto shop, you will see that they are the most muhibbah places in all of Malaysia ,)

          I also recall a couple of stories – I cannot personally vouch whether true or not since I do not move in such high circles – regarding Malay VVIPs raking up huge gambling bills in casinos abroad.

          1. Yes Sis, the Gambling Tsunami sweeps up every unwary soul that is hooked on to greed and existential emptiness. Yet, the Gambling Towkays are mostly Chinese.

            Gambling Muslims, should they repent of their sinful indulgence, have recourse to the incorruptible Quran and refuge in the midst of a practicing Prophetic community. The repentant Chinese gambler or sinner commonly finds it a big challenge to seek refuge amongst members of his religious community, it appears to me.

  2. re: “It’s quite true; if the Dapsters and evangelistas cannot even respect the nature of Allah as it is unanimously conceived by billions of Muslims around the world – adherents which of course include the Malays here – then how can the Chinese possibly be expected to respect all the less vital issues?”

    Oh Chinese! understand your TAO before you mind other people’s ALLAH:

    [YouTube]

  3. If they do not want to accept Islam as state religion, then there goes also with their Malaysian citizenship. Remember your grandparent did not question this in order to gain easy citizenship preindependant. But years after years we learn that they actully lied with hidden agenda.

    Did they actually thought their offspring to respect Islam, sultan and Malay? Nay! The coming generations are embedded with hatred to these three and even embedded with ambition to take over the country for their kinds. The generations nowadays cannot bear anymore to hide their hatred and all are exposed under the pretext human right.

    1. re: “The generations nowadays cannot bear anymore to hide their hatred and all are exposed under the pretext human right.”

      I don’t think it is so much a human rights issue and I really doubt that they would have read anything on the Universal Declaration or the (academic/legal) literature.

      The hatred is exposed nowadays simply because the social media allows an individual today to publish anything, anytime without having to go through any gatekeepers, and the twits take as their role model in public expression those Pakatan politicians who are narcissistic, mindless midgets tweeting 24/7.

      However the main factor for all this display of hatred is our home-grown evangelism because Christianity and Islam have been at war for millennia. When the Malaysian Chinese were predominantly Buddhist/Taoist and MCA was the mainline party, all this did not happen.

  4. Malays are too soft. That’s the fact. Look at other emerging countries with strong governments — they know how to treat their economically dominant minorities.

    Russians control their Jews. Former CIS countries control their Russian minority. Middle east countries control their Indian workers (who actually out-number their local indigenous populations!).

    These countries use their laws to the fullest extent possible, which means enacting draconian legislation and enforcing them with little to no tolerance for dissension.

    Malaysia used to do that but is taking a different route. I don’t know exactly what our leaders were thinking when they let loose further democratic freedoms, such as liberalising the media, which then allowed the opposition parties to grow in strength through its manipulation. Perhaps they knew that the mistake was made years ago, when the founders allowed citizenship to foreigners. Now Malays are paying the price, and the only way to correct the mistake is to allow further liberalisation.

    Given the existing reality, Malaysian society can rest assured that the price to pay for maintaining the status quo is not that high. It’s quite obvious the Malaysian economy can afford the special economic arrangement, at least for another 50 years.

    Malays need a few more generations to reach economic parity. Looking back, 50 years has brought great progress among Malay families. In spite of ever persistent stumbling blocks –such as Malay aversion to taking out interest-bearing loans and venturing into business–Malay families are learning to accumulate wealth and knowledge, which they then try to pass their next generation.

    In viewing Malaysia through the lens of optimism, I can say that Malays are catching up and the Chinese and Indian (professional class, not the sub-class) are slowly losing their economic influence. Because of this change in dynamics, the system is re-adjusting itself. The Chinese and Indians are feeling the greater competition from their Malay counterparts, and they are now demanding greater social and political power. It’s only fair.

    1. re: “Because of this change in dynamics, the system is re-adjusting itself. The Chinese and Indians are feeling the greater competition from their Malay counterparts, and they are now demanding greater social and political power.”

      Good point.

      1. I disagree, the Malay are not catching up. Those who benefit from the NEP are mainly the UMNOputra. The rise of middle class Malay is still not fast enough.

        Most think that this is the problem of Malay vs Chinese but I beg to differ. This is just red herring. The group who benefit is the elite group consist of the UMNO Malay and non Malay. No matter how rich they are it doesn’t represent the majority of average Malaysian of all races. They are still suffering from the rising cost of living and deterioration of the public services. They continue to be robbed for the benefit of elite group.

        The elite group uses the race based policies so that we fight among each other and their wealth will not be questioned in the name of pride of their own race.

        1. Typical DAP thinking. This comment seems lifted from the same talking points used by DAP higher management.

          I would like to see actual evidence that supports this person’s claims. Notice how this so-called Malaysian singles out UMNO Malays but does not lay the blame on the elites coming from the Chinese society. There are many Chinese tycoons who gained much from BN and who now sit at the DAP table. Why aren’t they blamed for not doing enough to stimulate their own economy? The government can’t do anything to stop them from making developments outside the country and employing more Chinese. Are they unhappy that Vincent tan hired a Kazakh instead of the typical jinjang Malaysian Chinese?

    2. “Russians control their Jews. Former CIS countries control their Russian minority. Middle east countries control their Indian workers (who actually out-number their local indigenous populations!).”

      That is why many of these nations are backward economically and politically, compared with the more progressive countries.

      The Middle East is highly dependent on oil and Nepali, Bangladeshi, or Indian labour. If those workers lay down their tools for a week, the entire economy will shudder to a halt.

      1. If Malays stop working in Petronas, Malaysia too will grind to a halt, since Petronas is the single largest contributor to the Malaysian economy.

        What’s your point?

        Do you suggest that Chinese can easily fill in the gaps if Petronas Malay management upped and left. I am sure your thinking is that the Chinese will do a better job. Well good luck getting those oil and gas field concessions in Muslim countries, you pork eaters.

  5. I beg to differ. I am not concerned whether my Malay Muslim brothers and sisters treat me differently even though I am a Muslim. The real problem is that the Malays in Malaysia think that “Malay is Islam and Islam is Malay and thus the religion belongs only to one race”. However, in the recent years, they are beginning to acknowledge that Islam is universal.

    Today, many Malay Muslims are visiting China to see how Islam is practised in China in that country of more than 1.3 billion people, out of which more than 200 million are Muslims. There are thousand of mosques in China, which show that Islam is one of the fastest growing religion not only in China today but all over the world.

    I am not trying to convert the non believers as that’s not my job. However, if one believes in the existence of God, then even the bible had stated that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was the last prophet and Islam is the ultimate religion for all mankind.

    For the non believers, it is another story. However, even having said that I find it amused that Malaysians on both sides of the religious divide should fight over the use of “Allah”, even though only the word is predominantly used in the Quran. The Holy bible and other testaments do not use the word “Allah”. Wrong or right just leave it to God as we are human and His slaves on earth.

    1. You are right but unfortunately UMNO think that they God can’t defend His name and need their help and only UMNO Malay is able to defend His name plus they think Malay are too ‘stupid’ as this one word alone with covert them to Christian.

      1. Aku nak gelak baca statement ni….

        “You are right but unfortunately UMNO think that they God can’t defend His name and need their help and only UMNO Malay is able to defend His name ”

        Even the dumbest Umno supporter will not think this way. Itu namanya dah keluar akidah and iman. No muslim would risk that, especially those in Kelantan when hudud is coming their way.

        What certain quarter of christians in Malaysia doing, fighting over kalimah Allah only show how greedy these people are. Citizenship you nak, tanah you nak, economic pies you nak, semua boleh. Now when they have everything, kalimah Allah pun nak jugak.

        Are Christian gods defenseless that only when the name of Allah is used, christian gods become stronger? And apparently only that segment of Malaysian christians know what’s best for their religion, and the Pope or the Vatican doesn’t?

      2. UMNO, I think, practises a progressive form of Islam, one which embraces capitalism.

        PAS on the other hand practises an anti-capitalism form of Islam, and this actually threatens Malay economic progress.

        DAP has closely studied PAS Islam and I think they believe that PAS Islam is the least threatening, at least economically.

        Just look at this article:

        http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2013/08/07/DAPs-Phee-has-most-assets-while-PAS-man-owns-only-car-and-mcycle.aspx

        It’s no wonder why DAP loves PAS as an ally. They are so economically weak and their mindset is so backward. PAS members don’t even know how to accumulate wealth, let alone secular knowledge

        1. re: “they [DAP] believe that PAS Islam is the least threatening, at least economically”

          Possibly they [DAP] may think so, in that PAS are reckoned to be economic pushovers and willing to leave the wheeling and dealing to the Pakatan Chinese while they [PAS] concentrate on God.

          On the other hand, Umno Malays are today capable of competing with Chinese in doing business and in now desiring the contract pie all for themselves.

          However, Pakatan is a case of DAP riding the Islamist tiger. Ultimately, the tiger will turn around, bite and eat all the Chinese who have put their trust in the greedy DAP 3.0 evangelista scheming.

      3. @Mustapha Ong, I agree. Due to lack of international exposure, many Malays think that only Malays are Muslims and they cannot comprehend that e.g. Chinese can also be Muslim. Millions of Chinese have been Muslim for far longer (when Malays’ ancestors were still Hindu). However, like you said, things are slowly changing as more Malays travel abroad and understand that Islam is for all of mankind.

        @Malaysian. I am so tired of hearing this schpiel about Malays being too ‘stupid’, converting just because of a name and that UMNO is to blame for everything (EBU – everything blame UMNO). It is already well documented that the issue is more about the malicious intentions of Christian evangelists in ‘contextualization strategies’. Whether Malays fall for it or not is not the issue. Niat yang buruk, orang tak suka lah. Faham?

        Also please understand the theological, not just the semantic implications. The Christian triune god is abhorrent in Islam. It is an abominable concept which Allah condemns Himself in the Qur’an. I’m sorry to use harsh words but it is what it is. So don’t be surprised when Malay-Muslims reel in revulsion when Christians want to describe an abominable concept using His name. Terasa sangat jijik as ‘shirik’ is THE most unforgivable sin in Islam. All around the world, ask any Muslim of any ethnicity or nationality who their God is… There will only be ONE ANSWER. So who are confused actually? Muslims or Christians?

        1. bq. “I agree. Due to lack of international exposure, many Malays think that only Malays are Muslims and they cannot comprehend that e.g. Chinese can also be Muslim. Millions of Chinese have been Muslim for far longer (when Malays’ ancestors were still Hindu). However, like you said, things are slowly changing as more Malays travel abroad and understand that Islam is for all of mankind.”

          I don’t know whom you’ve met but each and every Malay Muslim I’ve ever met/known throughout my life has never had such ‘jumud’ view on Islam.

          I don’t know what ‘lack of international exposure’ you were talking about but most of them have never ‘travel abroad’ and yet, they are definitely capable to comprehend that Malay Muslims are no better than Chinese/Indians/ Muslims.

          So I really don’t know(yes, I can’t stress it more) how you’ve come out with such conclusion. It woule be great if you could share some light.

  6. The problem with the current batch of Malaysian Chinese is that they think that the Chinese are only Hockiens, Cantonese and Hakkas and that all Chinese are only Buddhists, Taoist and Christians. Chinese who are Muslims are considered a very different race and certainly the Chinese do not intermarry so there is denial of the existence of Peranakans or even Chindians.

    James Clavell mentioned in his book Tai-Pan that eating Chinese food is like eating European. China is so large and diverse. Being European can mean being Norwegian, French or being Italian. The word Chinese can cover the people of Manchukuo, Xinjiang, Fukien or Hainanese. China has the largest number of Muslims in the world and many of them reside in Xinjiang and even areas where the Han Chinese populate such as Beijing.

    There once a time that Malayan Chinese do not associate themselves as Chinese but by dialect. Many choose to forget the riots between the Hakkas and the Cantonese. In the past the Hakkas and Cantonese live apart and were clear rivals.

    “Penang was rocked by the Penang Riots of 1867, which were nine days of heavy street fighting and bloodshed among the secret societies of Penang. The fighting spiraled out of control, until the British were able bring in reinforcements from Singapore. The two principal Chinese secret societies – the Cantonese-speaking Ghee Hin and the Hakka-speaking Hai San (see Chung Keng Quee) – quarrelled over commercial interests, especially in the lucrative tin-mining industry. Today’s Cannon Street was so named because of the hole made on the ground by a cannon ball fired into the area from Khoo Kongsi.”

    We see Malaysian as being a country populated by Malay, Chinese, Indians etc. In China the lines are drawn on dialect lines. Sorry to burst your bubble, Hockiens do not live in harmony and singing kumbaya with the Cantonese in certain parts of China. The events of Wukan show the disharmony. Wukan is a town that is populated by Hockiens but in is in Guangdong. The ruling officials are Cantonese. Notice the parallels. The same scream for UBAH is seen here too.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/specialseries/2013/06/2013626153044866869.html

    It is normal for any migrant race to assimilate into the native customs. Go to Mumbai and try Chinese Indian cuisine. It is Cantonese cooking with Indian spices. The Chinese in India have dropped their Chinese accent and accepted the Indianise way of speaking Chinese. (In you speak in that way here, you will be accused of being a Chinese who cannot speak Chinese properly. Names such as banana will be hurled at you).

    Don’t assume all Chinese are Taoist, Buddhist and Christian. If a Taoist, Buddhist or Christian Chinese marries a Muslim, there will be hooha among the clan. (The Ridzuan Tee issue is one clear example.) The Chinaman would be considered becoming Malay. It is very common for non-Muslim Chinese to marry Muslim Chinese in China without hooha. Zhang Ziyi is one example.
    http://www.divaasia.com/media_photo/17776

    “Their relationship was the talk of town for some time, but nothing was made public until the pictures came out. Ziyi, 33, and Beining, a 36-year-old Muslim of Hui ethnicity, have reportedly been dating for almost a year”

    Highlight the word Muslim. The same romance form of romance in Malaysia will be viewed as “masuk jawi”.

    The word “Malaysian Chinese” is word that was created when all the different Chinese dialect groups are forced by circumstance to assimilate. The same that Peranakans are created when the Chinese slowly assimilate with the native inhabitants. In Sabah, the Sino-Kadazan take Chinese names.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kadazan_people

    “The Kadazans have a particularly good affinity with the local Chinese, resulting in the coinage of the term Sino-Kadazan, used to describe the half-Kadazan, half-Chinese offspring of such unions.”

    The Malaysian Chinese was created out of evolution. This is different with Bangsa Malaysia. This is an artificial concept artificially created to suit political means. This is resonant with the artificial creation of the Yugoslavia or the Soviet where states are merged by force. From one Yugoslavia comes Bosnia, Macedonia and Serbia. This is a practice in the old communist block. To become a race, assimilation must exist. Hockiens now assimilate with the Cantonese or Teochews.

    What is Penang Hockien dialect? It is born out of assimilation. Rojak. Not the textbook Minnan dialect.

    “The above is the penang hokkien dialect and the translation in English. It’s not hard to learn Penang Hokkien if you always mix with Chinese Penangites. Most of them speak Penang hokkien – the rojak hokkien that over the years had developed into a unique dialect. Yes, I said rojak(mix up) because we have borrow many Malays words and other languages into Penang hokkien dialect.”

    The bone I want to pick with the current set of Chinese is that they force their MYOPIC view of what it means to be Chinese on all Chinese. Hockiens and Cantonese are not the only Chinese on the planet. Islam is a religion which has a big following in China, but not among the Chinese here. Becoming a Muslim does not change person’s DNA. DNA wise Mr Tan does not become another person when he becomes Tan Abdullah.

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