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MCA special taskforce to oversee syariah law

Story in FMT today — [MCA president] ‘Liow tightens grip on power

On another front, Jais today raided the Bible Society in Damansara Utama and confiscated 16 boxes of printed materials.

Damansara Utama DAP Adun Yeo Bee Yin is demanding that the ‘Allah’ term must not be exclusive to  Muslims only. BELOW: Yeo with the Bible Society chairman and other office bearers.

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Damansara Utama is the suburb where the Methodist Church is located. DUMC had once before been raided by the Selangor Islamic authorities for suspected dakwah to the Malays. It is a rich and influential church.

The MP for the area is Tony Pua.

See also FMT report — DAP Serdang MP Ong Kian Ming admitted having two copies of the Al-Kitab. “I hope Jais won’t raid my home and the houses of other Christians who have an Al-Kitab,” he sniped.

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23 thoughts on “MCA special taskforce to oversee syariah law

    1. It’s a realistic take on the realpolitik in the country as well as the Malay attitude, I should think.

      But then again, our poll shows that the majority of respondents don’t believe Dapsters have their feet planted firmly on the ground.

  1. I wonder who is that in the circle… :mrgreen:
    Just to tell, the word is dakyah and not dakwah.
    Keep on blogging Helen!

    1. Afin,

      Dakwah is the correct term, as Helen was referring to the “Kes Memurtadkan orang Melayu Islam” pada waktu itu. Diorang tengah rancak mendakwahkan agama Kristen pada orang Melayu masa tu.

      Dakyah means propaganda.

  2. Can some one please enlighten me on the following:-

    1. Whether the Sultan in his capacity as head of Islam in Selangor has the power to regulate the affairs of non-Islamic religions?

    2. Whether a state Islamic enactment banning non-Muslims from using certain words is enforceable against non-Muslims?

    3. Whether JAIS as a state authority on Islamic matters has jurisdiction over the non-muslims?

    1. There is a state law passed by the State Assembly which is a secular law. I blogged about it in 2011, see https://helenang.wordpress.com/2011/08/24/tak-berbaloi-buat-serangan-pasif-agresif-atas-jais/

      (1) To say that the Sultan is desiring to regulate the affairs of non-Islamic religions is a disingenuous argument. The use of the ‘Allah’ word is the church encroaching into Islam (first cause) and not Muslims or their head the Sultan trying to interfere in Christianity. The Allah word is not used in English, Chinese or Tamil bibles.

      (2) The ban on ‘Allah’ is a federal gazette by the Home Minister.

      (3) Jais could get the police to enforce (1).

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      1. Thanks,

        1. Re: There is a state law passed by the State Assembly which is a secular law.

        Secular law? If secular, then why regulate on religion matters?

        2. Re: The use of the ‘Allah’ word is the church encroaching into Islam

        As what I know, the only restriction placed on non Islamic faiths is the prohibition against propagation.

        Using the word Allah to convert Muslims out from Islam, this is propagation and constitutes an offence.

        Using the word Allah in bible which is distributed to Muslims, this is also propagation.

        Using the word Allah in bible which is used by Christians, this is not propagation.

        Re: The ban on ‘Allah’ is a federal gazette by the Home Minister.

        Which gazette?

        Re: The picture. It says the Enactment as 1988.

        Any previous cases where non-Muslims in Selangor are investigated, prosecuted or sentenced under the said Enactment?

        Thanks.

        1. re: “Secular law? If secular, then why regulate on religion matters?”

          It’s called the Selangor Non-Islamic Religions (Control of Propagation Among Muslims) Enactment 1988. Presumably it regulates/restricts the behaviour of the Christian missionaries – so that they will not proselytize to the Malays – rather than the law poking its nose into the theological doctrines of Islam/Christianity or other faiths.

          “Control of Propagation Among Muslims” is in the Federal Constitution under Article 11, so this state law does not contravene federal law.

          re: “Using the word Allah in bible which is used by Christians, this is not propagation.”

          But the meaning of the word in a church subverts the nature of Allah that is the divine who does not beget and nor is He begotten. The Christians would understand Allah as a Father who has a Son.

          re: “The ban on ‘Allah’ is a federal gazette by the Home Minister.”

          Kementerian Hal Ehwal Dalam Negeri Order / KHEDN: O 59/3/9/A PN(PU2)24 Pt.II

          re: “Any previous cases where non-Muslims in Selangor are investigated, prosecuted or sentenced under the said Enactment?”

          Not that I’m aware. My conjecture: Previously the Evangelista Bintang Lima hadn’t entered frame as yet.

          1. “It’s called the Selangor Non-Islamic Religions (Control of Propagation Among Muslims) Enactment 1988. Presumably it regulates/restricts the behaviour of the Christian missionaries – so that they will not proselytize to the Malays – rather than the law poking its nose into the theological doctrines of Islam/Christianity or other faiths.”

            Is there a specific mention in the 1988 enactment on Christian proselytisation?

            “But the meaning of the word in a church subverts the nature of Allah that is the divine who does not beget and nor is He begotten. The Christians would understand Allah as a Father who has a Son.”

            Again ‘biocplus’ has pointed that this name is used by the non Muslim Christians (specifically, the Bumiputera Christians) as they practice their faith, not in proselytism.

            If it was a Muslim sect using the name of ‘Allah’ and adding extra-Quaranic elements to Him, then the religious authorities have some grounds.

            1. re: “Is there a specific mention in the 1988 enactment on Christian proselytisation?”

              Why don’t you read for yourself? You’re not illiterate.

              re: “Again ‘biocplus’ has pointed that this name is used by the non Muslim Christians (specifically, the Bumiputera Christians) as they practice their faith, not in proselytism.”

              I see what you’re getting at. However I do not know whether in law the Malaysian Islamic authorities can take action against non-Muslims over this subversion.

              If got hudud, then can — under blasphemy charges.

            2. bq. “Again ‘biocplus’ has pointed that this name is used by the non Muslim Christians (specifically, the Bumiputera Christians) as they practice their faith, not in proselytism.”

              Do the Semenanjung Christians converse in the ‘3rd class’ language, the language of the land, just like their Borneo’s brethren?

              Hope you don’t mind me asking why won’t they name Him by Buddhist’s or Hindu’s Dewa/God? That would be a sound move for they are more familiar with the name, Whom they used to pray to.

              Or maybe, just maybe, “Y-H-W-H” sounds too peculiar to them while “Allah” sounds more condescending? On what ground? (I’m sorry if that was offensive to anyone…but I hope not)

              If they really loooove to have the ‘Arabic God’ (well, that’s what ‘they’ used to call our God…Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, …ah you know the rest) just to feel at home, i.e Malaysia, they must have used their Arabic name by now. Ilyas for Elijah, Maryam for Mary, etc2.

              So what should I call you now? Acik, can? Timangan untuk “Acik-Ducik”. (JK :D)

          2. Helen and commenters,

            Many thanks for responding.

            1. Control of Propagation Among Muslims” is in the Federal Constitution under Article 11, so this state law does not contravene federal law.

            The main point is prohibition against propagation. Am I right to say that the non-Muslims can do whatever they want as long as there is no propagation? If the word Allah is used to proselytise Muslims, then by all means the authorities can detain, investigate, prosecute and sentence according to laws.

            2. But the meaning of the word in a church subverts the nature of Allah that is the divine who does not beget and nor is He begotten. The Christians would understand Allah as a Father who has a Son.

            What basis the Islamic authorities may ‘interfere’ in the manner the non-Islamic faiths interpret the word Allah especially when there is no element of propagation?

            3. I see what you’re getting at. However I do not know whether in law the Malaysian Islamic authorities can take action against non-Muslims over this subversion.

            What basis an Islamic authority like JAIS can exercise its power over the non-Muslims?

            Thanks again and would appreciate feedback.

              1. Section 9 (1) relates to the offence of using specific words listed in Part 1 of the Schedule of the enactment in publications or writings, ideas, acts or activities by linking them to a non-Islamic religion and using these words in any published writing, public speech or statement directed at an assembly.

                Among the words are Allah, firman Allah, ulama, hadis, Kaabah, Ilahi, Rasul and imam. The use of these words is seen as an intention to relate or describe a fact, belief, idea, concept, act, activity or matter concerning or related to Islam to any non-Islamic religion. If convicted under this section, a person may be fined an amount not more than RM1,000, imprisoned for a maximum of six months or both.

    2. Biocplus,

      The Allah saga has nothing to do with the Sultan trying to regulate the affairs of non Muslims.

      the Sultan as the head of state is just trying to ensure the sanctity of Islam. it is the overzealous Christian missionary who insist on using the name ‘allah” that never once appeared in Bible, old or King James version.

      Do remember at that times when citizenship was granted to then immigrants, it comes with the package. That the practices of other religions must not disturb the official religion, Islam.

      Muslims rejected Christians using the name “allah” as the concept of God in Christianity is totally different from Islam’s viewpoint. Sharing the name threaten the very foundation of islam.

      The question that you should ask is why these Christian preachers insist on interfering on islamic matters.

    3. Biocplus
      Intersting passage from RPK blog hopr it helps
      Raja Petra Kamarudin38(2)(c) The Conference of Rulers shall exercise its functions of consenting or withholding consent to any law and making or giving advice on any appointment which under this Constitution requires the consent of the Conference or is to be made by or after consultation with the Conference, and may deliberate on questions of national policy (for example changes in immigration policy) and any other matter that it thinks fit38(4) No law directly affecting the privileges, position, honours or dignities of the Rulers shall be passed without the consent of the Conference of Rulers.38(5) The Conference of Rulers shall be consulted before any change in policy affecting administrative action under Article 153 is made.38(6)(d) The members of the Conference of Rulers may act in their discretion in any proceedings relating to the following functions, that is to say the agreeing or disagreeing to the extension of any religious acts, observances or ceremonies to the Federation as a whole.********************************************That is what the Federal Constitution of Malaysia says regarding the powers, authority and limits of the Conference of Rulers.One important point to note here is that the Conference of Rulers needs to consent to any changes to the privileges, position, honours or dignities of the Rulers. Hence only the Rulers can remove their own powers.The second point to note is that the Conference of Rulers can use its discretion as to what is and is not allowed in matters of religion. Hence it can, for example, decide whether the Allah word can or cannot be used by non-Muslims anywhere in Malaysia.Third, the Conference of Rulers decides whether there shall be any changes to Article 153 of the Constitution. And this is what concerns most Malaysians, Malays and non-Malays alike, Article 153.

      http://www.malaysia-today.net/between-rights-and-privileges/

  3. demanding that the ‘Allah’ term must not be exclusive to Muslims only.????

    For more than 50 years not even one Christian claim Allah their trademark for AL Kitab in Semenanjung while East Malaysia live happily and harmounesly with ther Al kitab version than suddenly ‘BOM’ Semenanjung Christian demanded Allah rights?

    In the first place do they realy have the right to ROB Allah from Muslim in Semenanjung. We know wh’s the real culprit and who potrary as the Malaysian Saviour and sadly ‘the reakyat’ is the real victim to the hngry ghost of politician.

  4. Re: ‘MCA special taskforce to oversee syariah law’

    So funny this ‘walking dead’ party.. did they got enough people to joint their task force? ha ha really laughing stock.. muka mereka ini sangat tebal ditambah dengan kebebalan pemikiran..

    1. Gan Ping Sieu – the guy who contested the MCA presidency – has got a Diploma of Syariah, International Islamic University.

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