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MCA mahu JAIS disiasat pihak berkuasa

Kenyataan akhbar MCA hari ini berkata:

“… the respective authorities must also take immediate steps to investigate JAIS and to determine whether they had abused their power in conducting the raid on the Bible Society of Malaysia.”

Tuntutan MCA agar Jais disiasat telah dikeluarkan serentak dengan parti itu menyatakan pendiriannya atas protes yang akan diadakan pagi esok oleh NGO-NGO Islam terhadap gereja.

MCA juga menegur Umno supaya jangan menyemarakkan lagi api persengketaan.

Malaysiakini 2014-01-04 16-56-58
http://beta.malaysiakini.com/news/250860

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51 thoughts on “MCA mahu JAIS disiasat pihak berkuasa

  1. Chandra concluded that JAIS has violated Putrajaya order and obviously at the wrong side. JAIS is not above the law and someone need to answer this.

    1. Yes, but in which part of Chandra’s statement did he ask that Jais be investigated for you to compare him with the MCA?

      1. Helen,

        The raid took place in Selangor. Matters related to Islam falls under the purview of the Sultan. And the department responsible handling Islamic matter here is JAIS.

        There is an EXCO that oversees the islamic matter. What UMNO has to got to do with it?

        1. re: “What UMNO has to got to do with it?”

          With the Dapster’s EBU, Umno has to do with everything.

          But this rebuke directed at Umno coming from MCA is weird … unless MCA = DAP = MCA = DAP.

          1. Helen,

            No. it is not weird.

            Only a moron will be surprise. MCA is “DAP” within BN.

            Malays already know about it. Only Najib is still providing “life support” to MCA to pursue in “bungkuskan” UMNO.

            1. Sigh.., it seems that MCA has become a ‘subsidiary’ of DAP. Too bad..!

              Why not MCA just change its name to MCDAP.., i.e. Malaysian Chinese Democratic Action Party.

          2. Quite surprised to learn that JAIS is not under the purview of state Exco.

            http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2014/01/04/jais-ada-kuasa-rampas-bible-kata-persatuan-ulama/

            “Menurut Syeikh Abdul Halim, isu itu tidak wajar dibangkitkan oleh Sallehan memandangkan struktur organisasi JAIS tidak terletak di bawah pentadbiran kerajaan negeri, sebaliknya melapor terus kepada Majlis Agama Islam Selangor (MAIS) serta Sultan Selangor Sultan Sharafuddin Idris Shah.”

            That is why the Exco in-charge of Islamic affairs is not informed. JAIS need not even seek the consent of Exco, why bother to inform? Even if JAIS did inform, can the Exco cancel the raid?

            1. Biocplus,

              JAIS is not under the purview of EXCO. JAIS reports to the Sultan as His Highness is the Head of islam for Selangor.

        2. Why is it related to Islam since the Bible approved by home ministry and kept in a church used exclusively by Christian and not be touched by any Muslim?

          1. Because they are yet to distribute it and as usual waiting for the coast to clear to do the job…

            Api kecil-kecil menjadi kawan, sudah besar menjadi lawan…ibarat api dalam sekam, membakar dari dalam dan tak nampak dipandangan, bila dah merebak hancur dan musnah hingga ke jelapang.

            Itu sebab kena BENTERAS dari akar umbi…

            1. Yet to distribute after 2 years the bibles are sitting in the church or 80 years after they use the word?. Kecil kecil you let the JAIS act like bully, later they will act like Taliban and execute anyone they don’t like in the name of religion, what an insult to Allah!

              1. Re. later they will act like Taliban and execute anyone they don’t like in the name of religion

                Yes, that will definitely the GAME PLAN, if you EVANGILISTAs keep pushing the envelope.

                Please read more news and history, Taliban don’t become Taliban with no reason. They become one, for their land, country and religion are being invaded by the communist than the western power i.e. in Afghanistan.

                If you must know, Osama Ben Laden was trained by the US, to fight the Russian in Afghanistan.

                Re. what an insult to Allah!

                Mind telling me which Allah you are referring to?

                As for us the Muslims, that’s the JIHAD FISABILILLAH that Allah, the one and only god wants us to do.. it is clearly stated in the Quran, Surah Al Ikhlas :

                Say: Allah, the One and Only; [1] Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; [2] He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; [3] And there is none comparable unto Him. [4]\

                and not 3 in 1 as believed by the Christian.

            2. Can you prove they are planning to distribute the AlKitab to Malay Muslims, and not Orang Asli communities or Sabahans and Sarawakians living in West Malaysia?

                  1. islam1st and LOL,

                    What Lina Joy and Aishah Bukhari got to do with the JAIS raid? Authorities should go and catch the people that proselytised them. Where is the logic for both of you to cite the case of Lina Joy/Aishah Bukhari and attribute them with JAIS raid?

              1. From now on, no need to prove anything, JAIS should go after them based on CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE i.e. for what purpose/reason that you need to print and use the term Allah in the Al Kitab when you are not allowed to do so by the court and as advised by the Sultan Selangor?

                Mind you the informant is not stupid, they are everywhere and among us 24-7, even while we are having lunch at McDonald at peak hour or taking a cab….

                1. LOL,

                  Re: ……..no need to prove anything, JAIS should go after them based on CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE

                  If no need to prove anything, why bother to have circumstantial evidence? It should be based on suspicion or discretion. Do you really want an enforcement body to be equipped with unfettered power? Especially to the point of interfering private premises and the religion affairs of others?

                  Re: you are not allowed to do so by the court and as advised by the Sultan Selangor?

                  The court decision refers to the Herald weekly. Bible Society of Malaysia is not a party to the case. Since when the Sultan is empowered to dictate terms on the affairs of non-Muslims? Sultan may act if the word Allah in the Alkitab is used for the purpose of propagating/converting Muslims. If there is no element of propagation, Sultan has no authority.

                  1. Re. If no need to prove anything, why bother to have circumstantial evidence?

                    Figuratively speaking it is a “courtesy” @ sifat sopan santun orang Melayu. Jadi tak boleh diputar belitkan Dapster kemudian hari. In reality, “We don’t give a damn anymore”.

                    Re. Since when the Sultan is empowered to dictate terms on the affairs of non-Muslims?

                    Tak suka?

                    Pi bantah kebawah Duli Yang Maha Mulia Baginda Sultan, and you will see your fate sealed forever in this land.

                    Di mana Bumi di Pijak Di Situ Langit Di Junjung.

                    1. Re: Figuratively speaking it is a “courtesy” @ sifat sopan santun orang Melayu. Jadi tak boleh diputar belitkan Dapster kemudian hari. In reality, “We don’t give a damn anymore”.

                      I really don’t understand. Care to explain?

                      Re: Tak suka?

                      Not a matter of suka or not. Do read my points:

                      “Sultan may act if the word Allah in the Alkitab is used for the purpose of propagating/converting Muslims. If there is no element of propagation, Sultan has no authority.”

                      Perhaps you can rebut this rather than merely dismissing it as ‘tak suka’.

                      Re: ………….. you will see your fate sealed forever in this land.

                      How? Care to explain?

                  2. bq. “The court decision refers to the Herald weekly. Bible Society of Malaysia is not a party to the case. Since when the Sultan is empowered to dictate terms on the affairs of non-Muslims? Sultan may act if the word Allah in the Alkitab is used for the purpose of propagating/converting Muslims. If there is no element of propagation, Sultan has no authority.”

                    I’m afraid there might be a confusion here.

                    I’m not very well versed in law and all, but what could you make out of this: http://beta.malaysiakini.com/news/218738

                    Did the MAIS chairman incorrectly/inaccurately state the Sultan’s authority?

              2. Like I said, can you prove they are planning to distribute the AlKitab in the offices to Malay Muslims? So far, there has been no logical answer.

                Think about it, alQaeda has recorded videos of themselves waving the Quran and committing acts of terror, even on Muslims. Can I say that a person possessing a Quran is evidence that he is plotting an act of terror? That sounds absurd, doesn’t it?

                  1. Coming from a person who obsessively features Hannah Yeoh seven days a week on her blog… almost literally.

                1. Re: …………. can you prove they are planning to distribute the AlKitab in the offices to Malay Muslims

                  They way I see it:

                  JAIS is acting on the basis “The act of possessing alkitab that contain the word Allah is equivalent to propagation.” The actual act of propagation need not be evidenced. So, no need to prove “……….they are planning to distribute the AlKitab”.

            3. LOL,

              Re: Itu sebab kena BENTERAS dari akar umbi…

              This relates to the authority of JAIS, i.e. whether JAIS is empowered to act arbitrarily in order to ‘pre-empt’ a purported/alleged act of propagation. Take note that the Alkitab is yet to be distributed and JAIS already seized them. I don’t think JAIS is empowered to act ‘pre-emptively’. Even if they do, they need to show that the Alkitab is meant to be used for propagation.

              Looking at what JAIS is doing now, they can actually raid any private home and check for any Alkitab that contain the 35 prohibited words. Would JAIS raids Ong Kian Ming’s house since he has admitted that he has the Alkitab?

              1. JAIS needs to go all out PERIOD. Umpama menentang anasir KOMUNIS, tak semestinya merekla semuanya sembunyi dalam hutan, ada yang bertopengkan orang awam duduk dalam rumah dan di bandar.

                NO no more tolerance from us MALAY MUSLIMS….

                Re. Would JAIS raids Ong Kian Ming’s house since he has admitted that he has the Alkitab?

                Sejujurnya, dia ni cuba menjolok sarang tebuan, I think the HORNET should go after his house and him too….

                1. re: “Sejujurnya, dia ni cuba menjolok sarang tebuan”

                  Saya pun sependapat. Dia sengaja mencabar.

                  1. Please note, OKM’s behaviour is very evangelista. In all the years that MCA has been in politics, you don’t hear of the Chinese party leaders calling their opponents “low class”.

                    It’s the kind of people the Dapsters are, i.e. displaying all the biaDAP and insulting behaviour that is blatantly asking for it.

                  2. Re: Saya pun sependapat. Dia sengaja mencabar.

                    Helen,

                    Does it mean that you agree JAIS has power to conduct raid on private premises to seize alkitab that is meant for personal use?

                    1. By “dia sengaja mencabar”, I’m referring to OKM’s deliberate baiting of the Islamic authorities to raid his house.

                      Nobody else, as far as I’m aware, has baited Jais in the way that OKM has done even though they too objected to the raid, e.g. Bernard Dompok, Ti Lian Ker, Zaid Ibrahim and other pollies who have issued statements.

                      I’ve said this before. It’s the evangelista ATTITUDE PROBLEM. Muslims may not get riled up against Bernard Dompok but they do get riled up by OKM, e.g. one Muslim here LOL is all for Jais going after OKM.

                    2. Re: By “dia sengaja mencabar”, I’m referring to OKM’s deliberate baiting of the Islamic authorities to raid his house.

                      He admitted he has the Alkitab. Refer here:

                      http://ongkianming.com/2014/01/03/kenyataan-media-adakah-jais-akan-mula-serbu-kediaman-penganut-kristian-di-selangor-yang-memiliki-al-kitab-bahasa-melayu/

                      He said:

                      “Saya juga mempunyai salinan AlKitab Bahasa Indonesia di mana perkataan “Allah” digunakan.”

                      Whether he is trying to ‘mencabar’ or otherwise, it is now up to JAIS whether to ‘serbu’ his house. JAIS must be seen as fair in its enforcement, i.e. to ‘serbu’ the premises of whomever and seize any Alkitab (the Bible Society of Malaysia and OKM’s house/office). Already since 1988 until now, no one is ever investigated, detained, charged and sentenced under section 9 of the Enactment 1988 (based on my knowledge, correct me if I am wrong). This is the chance for JAIS to redeem itself as an Islamic enforcement agency.

                      Question:

                      Will JAIS really ‘serbu’ OKM’s premises? We shall see. Failure by JAIS to do so will show mala fide in its raid on BSM. This will be a point for BSM to challenge the legality of the raid at court.

                    3. You can’t pragmatically compare an individual with an importer which is a (bible) society.

                    4. Re: You can’t pragmatically compare an individual with an importer which is a (bible) society.

                      Isn’t the law is fair and equitable? Same like corruption and stealing. Corrupt/steal RM10.00 is the same as corrupt/steal RM1 mil. The difference is the quantum of punishment.

                      Moreover, the criminal justice system typically start with police report, investigate, detain, charge, sentence (if guilty) and appeal (if either party dissatisfied). Many parties are involved i.e. police/authorities, AGC, defence lawyers and court. Let the law take its course. JAIS should at least summon OKM for interrogation. We cannot dismiss OKM’s case just because he has only one copy of the Alkitab.

                    5. re: “Isn’t the law is fair and equitable?”

                      Again, pragmatically no.

                      re: “Same like corruption and stealing. Corrupt/steal RM10.00 is the same as corrupt/steal RM1 mil. The difference is the quantum of punishment.”

                      You’re aware that the man who steals two cans of sardine is given a stiff punishment while the one who embezzles millions is given a slap on the wrist.

                    6. Re. This is the chance for JAIS to redeem itself as an Islamic enforcement agency.

                      It is now or never.

                    7. Re: You’re aware that the man who steals two cans of sardine is given a stiff punishment while the one who embezzles millions is given a slap on the wrist.

                      Are you referring to Khir Toyo’s case (embezzles millions)? I am not sure which case you refer to for the sardine. If what you say is true, then it is a sad episode for the justice system in Malaysia. I must attribute the blame to the judiciary, AGC and Parliament for allowing that to happen.

                      Re: Again, pragmatically no.

                      The least JAIS can do is to summon OKM for interrogation. OKM already gave ‘written admission’ via his blog. JAIS need not wait for people to lodge report. Already enough info to act.

                      As what LOL said: “It is now or never.”

  2. Mari kita sama2 lihat.. siapa yg menang.. DAPster atau Sultan.. Zaman British, Residen pun tak berani nak campurtangan hal islam dan eksklusif bawah Raja2… zaman demokrasi, DAPster sesuka hati memulakan api…. bila api dah menyala dia tuduh org lain pula yg main api. Minoriti cuba membuli majoriti..

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