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Marina protecting church targeted by protestors

Marina Mahathir is now standing outside Our Lady of Lourdes church in Klang to protect it from Muslims who have threatened to hold a protest there.

The evangelistas are very happy that Marina is so different from her father. Only a few days ago, Dr Mahathir had said ‘It won’t hurt Christians not using the word Allah’ (The J-Star, 1 Jan 2014).

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For the millionth time, ‘Allah’ is NOT a Malay word

“In Malaysia, the word ‘Allah’ is a proper noun,” says blogger Aeshah Adlina very sensibly.

You can go to her blog http://aeshahadlina.wordpress.com to read the young lady’s views on why ‘Allah’ is not a Malay word.

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DAP’s Evangelista Bintang Lima

I wonder what is the Menteri Besar of Selangor thinking at the moment. After all, the Selangor Non-Islamic Religions (Control of Propagation Among Muslims) Enactment 1988 is a law made by his state.

As for me, I think that the DAP is deliberately courting more controversy because they want to provoke the native Christians of Sabah and Sarawak. It is possible that the Christian voters of Borneo can successfully carry Pakatan to Putrajaya if they are incited to be angry enough at the BN government.

Methinks this political strategy of provocation and incitement is the reason why Madame Speaker is looking daggers at Khalid Ibrahim.

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Evangelistas’ plan of action

The National Evangelical Christian Fellowship have mapped out what their pastors, elders and church leaders should do in the event of the protests by Muslims.

An NECF advisory (below) dated 3 Jan 2014 urges the Christian community “not to respond with fear or uncertainty”. Evangelistas are rallying each other not to be afraid of the “Umno goons”. They are not afraid because they have Marina Mahathir and her progressive Malay friends to protect and defend them.

Read also,

Marina Mahathir mempertikaikan cuti Jumaat beri manfaat buat umat Islam

Mujahid PAS selar Isma sebagai pelampau agama

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Press statement by Eugene Yapp, NECF sec-gen

Dear Pastor/ Elder/ Church Leader,

Re: Responding to possible action against churches for using ‘Allah’

The Selangor Islamic Religious Department on 2 Jan 2014 raided the office of the Bible Society of Malaysia and seized over 300 copies of the Alkitab and the Iban bible.

There was also news JAIS plans to send letters to all Selangor churches reminding them to comply with the ban on a list of Arabic words, including “Allah”, under a state law. This law is the Selangor Non-Islamic Religions (Control of Propagation Among Muslims) Enactment 1988.

There are also news reports that Umno Selangor is threatening to protest outside different churches in Selangor.

Given these developments, we wish to remind churches of the following:-

I. On non-jurisdiction over non-Muslims

  1. that JAIS, as an Islamic authority, has no jurisdiction with respect to non-Muslims. Should your church receive any letter from JAIS purporting to act legally and insisting that your church stop or refrain from using the word “Allah” or any other banned words listed in the Enactment, kindly forward a copy of the letter to us and then seek legal advice on the matter.
  2. NECF has already stated our position regarding the use of the word “Allah” in our statement dated 10 January 2013 “Advisory to National Evangelical Christian Fellowship (NECF) Malaysia member churches on the use of “Allah” by non-Muslims“. The Christian Federation of Malaysia has also issued a fact sheet “When, Why and How Christians Use the Word “Allah”” dated 16 May 2013. Although the High Court decision is now overruled by the Court of Appeal, our position still stands as it is based on our Constitution.
  3. NECF’s position is based on Article 11 of the Malaysian Federal Constitution which provides for the right of any person to practice and profess his or her religion.
  4. While Article 11(4) of the Constitution allows state and federal laws to control or restrict the propagation of other religions among Muslims, this does not affect one’s rights to manage and to profess one’s own religion under Article 11(1) and (3) which includes the use of words, language, worship and other aspects of practicing the religion.

As such, the ban against non-Muslims from using “Allah” under the Enactment 1988 is only within the context of the propagation of religion, and does not affect our rights to profess, practice and to manage our own affairs, including to worship and read the Alkitab in churches, homes and any place of Christian meetings.

II. On protests outside churches

a. Should there be a protest in the form of public gathering at or near your church premises, please be advised on the following:-

  1. Advise your members to stay within your premises and do all you can to keep the peace and stay calm. Call for prayer and intercession for the peace, harmony and protection of all God’s people and property.
  2. Immediately lodge a police report and request for police presence and assistance to keep the peace and safety of all persons.
  3. Ensure you have prepared a team of your own comprising your church leadership or staff with a clear chain of command and instructions on what each person is to do in such a situation.
  4. Video the protest and ask the media to be present.
  5. Once the videotaping has been done, keep the copies for evidence in the event of legal proceedings.
  6. DO NOT engage with the protesters to avoid any unintended provocation. Let the police or authorised personnel handle the matter.
  7. Ensure that your church or organisation has an updated list of police station numbers in your area and media contact numbers.

III. On possible attempts to raid a church or premises of a Christian organisation

  1. In general, the Muslim religious authorities have no jurisdiction with respect to non-Muslims. Christians therefore have the right to deny entry to any religious department officer who requests entry into a meeting at a house, church premise, or any private property used for Christian worship and activities.
  2. Should JAIS officers or any religious officers accompanied by the police insist on entering your premises, non-Muslims must ensure (1) their identification as authorized officers; and (2) they produce a search warrant before obliging entry into your premises for a search1. The validity of their actions can subsequently be challenged through legal recourse.
  3. If there is no warrant and forced entry is used, allow this to proceed with consideration for the personal safety of your staff/church members present. But do video record the entry and keep the recording as evidence. As a safeguard to having recording devices confiscated, try to get as many people present as possible to make simultaneous recordings. Pay attention and note down any items that are seized and confiscated.
  4. As the raid takes place, inform your media contacts as soon as possible.
  5. Lodge a police report on the raid and note the use of forced entry and seizure of items. In your report, state that your church or organisation has been denied your rights to the exercise of freedom of religion under the Federal Constitution.

In this season of trial and testing, we urge the Christian community to be cognizant of their rights under the Federal Constitution and not to respond with fear or uncertainty. Any action that any Islamic religious authority takes against you is unconstitutional and can be challenged in court. Let us be reminded that the Lord God is sovereign and in control of all circumstances in Malaysia. Let us continue to worship Him and give Him glory as we always have and to continuously offer prayers for the welfare and wellbeing of our society and beloved nation.

In Christ,
Eugene Yapp
Secretary-General
NECF Malaysia

 

Updated: 1.07pm, 8 Jan 2014

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28 thoughts on “Marina protecting church targeted by protestors

  1. Let us be reminded that the Lord God is sovereign and in control of all circumstances in Malaysia.

    Hahahaha! I could not see the kalimah ‘Allah’ being used in this statement.

    Clearly it means the kalimah ‘Allah’ is of no use to them….

    1. “Allah” is useful when it comes to fishing for Christian votes among the Natives of Sarawak and Sabah.

      1. You are damn right! When it is useful for votes, it is somehow allowed to be used. So even Allah can be used by UMNO to get votes!

        1. The Muslims in Tanah Melayu and Nusantara had been using Allah before UMNO’s birth. How is that fishing for votes?

          Cakap kalau tak menipu tak boleh ke?

          Apa lagi Cina mahu?

    2. Aku percaya akan Allah bapa di Syurga, dimuliakanlah nama-Mu, datanglah kerajaan-Mu dan jadilah kehendak-Mu…

    3. That’s quite a long press statement written in the very proper Bahasa Malaysia which is why they are so seriously fighting for the word “Allah”. They are true Malaysians who speak the Bahasa Malaysia like a true citizen. So, of course they should be allowed to use the word Allah in their Bahasa Malaysia sermons and writings.

      For crying out loud, if they must insist on using the “Allah” word (in a totally blasphemous context for the Muslims) based on the argument that they need it for their bahasa Melayu sermons, couldn’t they at least pretend that it is quite normal for them to read and write in the Malay language?

      1. re: “couldn’t they at least pretend”

        The long press statement written in the very proper Bahasa Malaysia is a reflection on their other declarations like the Alvivi “selamat berbuka puasa” Bak Kut Teh could have been an organic vegetarian dish, and insistence that Madam Speaker’s tudung is in the cultural tradition of Chinese coolies, rubber tappers and tin pan washers.

        Is there a word to describe the kind of people they are?

        1. In Bahasa Malaysia, they are called HYPCRITES but I like the phrase “plaster saint” better. Saya Engrish no good so tak boleh tlanslate lah …

          1. I think it’s very difficult to find words in any language that are adequate to describe the kind of repulsive people they are — always lying, forever creating fitnah. Indeed truly revolting.

            It is for this reason that Isma is rising and rising, i.e. because they seem to be the only ones willing to roll up their sleeves to put up a strong resistance against these Evangelista Bintang Tiga. Btw, Isma has called them “Christian extremists”, see http://www.ismaweb.net/v4/2014/01/pelampau-kristian-diseru-hormati-perlembagaan/

  2. Apalah baghal sangat orang kristian ni. Kalau betul2 nak guna nama ALLAH YANG MAHA ESA, YANG TIDAK BERANAK DAN TIDAK DIPERANAKAN DAN YANG TIDAK ADA SEKUTU DENGAN YANG LAIN masuk lah ugama Islam.

    Vatican sendiri pun tak gunakan nama ALLAH, bible King James pun tak ada nama ALLAH apa hal kamu semua sibuk2. Yang mati kat cross tu bukan ISA a.s. itu Juda, tak kan pulak “TUHAN” bolih mati. Dah sah kamu semua telah disesatkan.

    1. Kamu dengan agamamu dan kami dengan agama kami… Peliharalah iman sendiri dengan menghormati agama lain. Islam tidak pernah mengajar umatnya mengata agama org lain dan agama kristian tidak pernah mengajar menghina agama Islam kerna kita semua anak2 Abraham. Semoga Allah Bapa memberkati org fasik ini…

      1. Fasik tu lebih baik dari kufur kerana mensyirikkan ALLAH YANG MAHA ESA. Dosa syirik tidak diampunkan ALLAH. Kamu dengan agamamu dan kami dengan agama kami…tapi kesiankan penat2 beribadat tapi akhirnya ke neraka yang kekal abadi kerana disesatkan atau tersesat.

        1. Doa Berlindung dari Kesyirikan

          اللَّهُمَّ إنِّي أَعُوذُ بِك أَنْ أُشْرِكَ بِك وَأَنَا أَعْلَمُ وَأَسْتَغْفِرُك لِمَا لَا أَعْلَمُ

          Allaahumma Innii A’udzu bika an Usyrika bika wa Anaa A’lamuhuu wa Astaghfiruka Limaa Laa A’lamuhu

          “Ya Allah, sesungguhnya aku berlindung kepada-Mu dari perbuatan syirik (menyekutukan-Mu) sedangkan aku mengetahuinya. Dan aku memohon ampun kepada-Mu terhadap kesyirikan yang tidak aku ketahui.” (HR. Ahmad dan Shahih Abi Hatim serta yang lainnya, shahih)

          اللَّهُمَّ إِنَّا نَعُوذُ بِكَ مِنْ أَنْ نُشْرِكَ بِكَ شَيْئًا نَعْلَمُهُ وَنَسْتَغْفِرُكَ لِمَا لَا نَعْلَمُ

          Allaahumma Innaa Na’udzu bika min an Nusyrika bika wa Anaa A’lamuhuu wa Nastaghfiruka Limaa Laa A’lamuhu

          “Ya Allah, sesungguhnya kami berlindung kepada-Mu dari perbuatan syirik (menyekutukan-Mu) sedangkan aku mengetahuinya. Dan kami memohon ampun kepada-Mu terhadap kesyirikan yang tidak aku ketahui.” (HR. Ahmad IV/403 dari Abu Musa al Asy’ari. Dihasankan oleh Syaikh al Albani dalam Shahih al Targhib wa al Tarhib I/121-122 no. 36)

          – See more at: http://www.voa-islam.com/read/doa/2010/12/09/3478/doa-berlindung-dari-kesyirikan/#sthash.GlMwTjYz.dpuf

          1. The point in contention here is that if you let the Christian use the term Allah in A-Kitab and you are a Muslim, it is tantamount to syirik (syirik yang tak nampak).

          2. Memanglah syurga dan neraka itu hak ALLAH YANG MAHA ESA, tetapi ALLAH juga telah menurunkan nabi2 dan rasul2nya yang mengajar kita mana yang boleh buat mana yang tak boleh buat, mana yang betul mana yang salah. Jadi kalau kita pilih yang salah dan tak betul itu juga menjadi hak ALLAH untuk menghukum kita.

            Rujuk Surah As-Sajadah
            32:13. Dan (bagi menolak rayuan itu Allah Taala berfirman): Kalaulah Kami telah tetapkan persediaan (memberikan hidayat petunjuk untuk beriman dan beramal soleh kepada tiap-tiap seorang dengan ketiadaan usaha dari masing-masing), nescaya Kami berikan kepada tiap-tiap seorang akan hidayat petunjuknya (sebelum masing-masing meninggal dunia, supaya tidak terkena azab di akhirat); tetapi telah tetap hukuman seksa dariKu: Demi sesungguhnya! Aku akan memenuhi Neraka Jahanam dengan semua jin dan manusia (yang pada masa hidupnya tidak berusaha untuk beriman dan beramal soleh).

            YA ALLAH YG MAHA ESA, YG TIADA SEKUTU BAGIMU, kurniakanlah petunjuk kepada hamba2 mu yang tersesat ini supaya mereka mendapat hidayat dan kembali mengesakan ENGKAU dan kembali kepada jalan mu yang lurus. AMIN YA RABBAL ALAMIN

  3. When I read online this morning that Marina had paid a courtesy visit to the Our Lady Of Lourdes in Klang, I predicted Helen would use this for another hatchet piece on Marina. Sure enough.

    1. Truth is the further shore of love; it is not love if it doesn’t reach out to Truth. Islam is the only way of being pro-Western, because the western philosophers have interpreted reality in various ways. The point, however, is not to be changed by it. God’s essential nature is His prerogative to conceal or to reveal; ultimate religious truths are beyond the pale of philosophical speculation and experimental science.

      Say: Allah is One and Absolute, Who does not beget nor is begotten, and there is no association for Him whatsoever. They have uttered blasphemy who say that Jesus is the Son of Allah, and hence is God also.

      Science and the wisdom of the Quranic scripture:

      http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?mwyie24tmdn

  4. are these not the same people that canvass the very idea how fair and good Hudud/Sharia law is? That everyone should embrace it without fear? Now, when the table is turned, why oh why you cry ‘we’re being victimised!’

    Tun M, as always is right.. when he questioned the credibility of the said hudud law being hard on muslims and leaving non muslims scot free in matters such as this.

    So, Dapsters…you made your bed, now go fuck in it! Don’t come running like a scorned bitches that you are..

  5. Shows that some Muslim women have more guts than some Muslim men… especially those in PR :)

  6. Dear Aunty Helen,

    Thank you very much for the recognition. It is an honour to have my article read by a great blogger. Looking forward to more of your interesting articles.

    Aeshah Karim

  7. Only use the kalimah Allah if you believe in ONE god, that’s Allah. Not Jesus as the God. Even the Jewish believe in ONE god.

    1. ALLAH YANG ESA is GOD but not all God is ALLAH yang MAHA ESA. ALLAH YANG MAHA ESA is God to all who accept ALLAH YANG MAHA ESA with no partners, no equal, nothing beside HIM. Just HIM and HIM alone.

      LA ILLA HA IL LAL LAH = tiada Tuhan selain ALLAH

      ALLAH WA AKBAR

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