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Bible Society president says JAIS “behaved like thugs”, “can kick down the door of the church”

Bible Society of Malaysia president Lee Min Choon told The Malaysian Insider:

“Right from law school, we were taught that Islamic authorities only have jurisdiction over Muslims. But when I saw this bunch of thugs trying to force their way in, seizing our property and arresting me, I was utterly shocked and surprised that something like this could happen in Malaysia.”

Similarly the caption in the said article titled ‘The day religious officers policed another faith in Malaysia‘ (The Malaysian Insider, 5 Jan 2014) quoted Lee as saying “the Jais officials behaved like thugs during Thursday’s raid” — see screenshot below.

The day religious officers policed another faith in Malaysia - The Malaysian Insider

Other excerpts from the Bible Society president’s interview with TMI:

“You could be at home spending personal time with your husband and they could kick down the door because they are looking for a book with the word Allah in it,” he said. […]

“So unless something is done to address the situation, it can happen again tomorrow, Jais can kick down the door of the church today and burst into homes looking for the Alkitab. And they have the police to provide the jails to hold all those arrested,” he said.

You can see from their media that the Christians and opposition supporters are getting more hysterical by the day.

Lee Min Choon, who is also a lawyer, is talking aloud about his fear that the Jais officers might “kick down the door of the church” or “kick down the door” of Christian homes / “burst into homes looking for the Alkitab”. Such a description is conveying to the whole wide world how badly religious minorities are being oppressed in Malaysia.

But do you think it is true, this picture painted by the Bible Society president Lee Min Choon, that Christians are bullied to the extent that they fear the door of their house being kicked down?

What kind of people are they? Who is besieging whom?!

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70 thoughts on “Bible Society president says JAIS “behaved like thugs”, “can kick down the door of the church”

  1. Re. But do you think it is true…

    Since they say so, I say ‘Send in the BULLDOZER now”. It is now or never.

    1. Cannot meh! Wanna send the bulldozers then Mat Sapu of PAS will send PAS members to baring atas jalan like always, all wearing the same Spender Stopa-inspired uniform. Then when police show us what they did on video, Abdul Hadi will say cannot trust, because that only besi meh. You’re lucky if PAS does not doa on DAP’s behalf for you to ‘KO’. This is Negara Kebajikan, jgn main-main lor!

      1. I also terguling-guling ketawa at your script.

        re: “PAS does not doa on DAP’s behalf for you to KO

        Nih mesti pinta kat Mujahid. Dia boleh aturkan satu inter-faith doa bersama.

  2. What a farce. In this country, it is known fact that proselytizing Muslim is illegal. So does in certain states, some Islamic words are forbidden. When Christians committing the offense, do they expect the buddhist to raid them?

    1. You are right. Islamic authorities may act if there is propagation or proselytization. The question now is:

      Whether Bible Society of Malaysia, having in possession 300 alkitab that contain the word Allah is tantamount to an act or attempt to proselytise Muslims?

      1. Sila rujuk sub-seksyen 9 kepada Enakmen Agama Bukan Islam 1988 Negeri Selangor.

        Seksyen itu menyatakan, seseorang didapati bersalah jika dia (a) dalam mana-mana penerbitan; atau (b) dalam ucapan awam atau kenyataan; (c) dalam ucapan atau kenyataan dalam mana-mana majlis atau kepada orang ramai; atau (c) dalam ucapan atau kenyataan yang diterbitkan atau disebarkan dan ketika ia dibuat dia sedar atau tahu akan diterbitkan atau disebarkan, menggunakan perkataan “Allah” atau 34 perkataan Arab termasuk Hadith, Syariah, Kalifah, Fatwa, Alhamdulillah, Insyaallah dsb untuk menyatakan atau menceritakan fakta, kepercayaan, idea, konsep, tindakan, kegiatan, perkara yang berkaitan dengan agama bukan Islam.

  3. Saya amat menghormati Agama Christian kerana, seperti Yahudi, mereka juga Agama ‘Langit. Ketiga-tiga Agama langit ini percaya pada Nabi Adam dan Hawa.

    Kerana saya dilahirkan dari ibu-bapa Islam, saya lebih percayakan Agama Islam.

    Dulu saya tak pernah mencurigai pihak Gereja. Tapi sekarang, bila Party Politik yang disokong mereka mula mendapat kepercayaan Rakyat, mereka menjadi lebih tamak dan angkoh.

    Bagi saya, kalau nak guna nama Allah, pergilah ke Sabah dan Sarawak, Saya tak kisah langsung. Di Peninsula, saya berpegang kepada DYMM Sultan setiap Negeri dan DYMM YDP Agong, sebagai Ketua Agama.

    Kalau nak guna kata-nama Allah dalam bahasa Inggeris juga, saya tak kisah. Guna lah. Tapi dalam Bahasa Melayu saja, pasal apa nak guna kata-nama Arab pulak. Dalam bahasa Melayu, God kami kata Tuhan.

    Jika Agama Christian ada Vitican, tidak bolehkah orang Islam di Malaysia ada Institusi sendiri?

    Sejak bangsa saya memeluk Agama Islam yang dibawa oleh Saudagar Arab, (yang rajin merantau, maju, kaya-raya dan digeruni), dan setelah 500 tahun dijajah orang-orang Christian dari Eropah, kesemua mereka nampaknya, berurusan dengan Istitusi Raja-Raja Melayu sebagai Ketua Agama Islam.

    Patuhilah Titah Sultan Selangor.

    1. RD,

      Saya lebih marah kepada pemimpin PAS kerana benar benar seperti lembu dicucuk hidung oleh DAP.. kebodohan yang keterlaluan atas kerakusan mahu mendapatkan kuasa.

      Pendakwah Kristian ini sememangnya sentiasa mencari jalan untuk memastikan penguasaan islam di Malaysia berakhir. Ini bukan sesuatu yang pelik seperti peliknya kita dengan kelakuan PAS.

      Bible mereka ini pun asalnya bukan dalam bahasa English.. di terjemahkan ke bahasa English kerana mereka tahu bahawa bahasa tersebut adalah bahasa dunia.. mereka ini pencuri identiti yang menggunakan ‘agama kristian’ sebagai platform untuk memuaskan nafsu dunia mereka.. nama tuhan mereka boleh terjemahkan kepada pelbagai bahasa,,

      Berbeza dengan kita, Al Quran tidak pernah diubah bahasa nya dan kekal seperti yang diwahyukan kepada Rasulullah.

      Kristian ‘agama langit’ yang tuan perkatakan itu telah hilang ditelan kerakusan penganut mereka.. bahasa pengantar pun mereka ubah beserta dengan ayat ayatnya sekali.. spesis ini memang hina yang teramat hina..

  4. …..“behaved like thugs”, “can kick down the door of the church”

    You ain’t seen nothing yet.

    To orangkampung
    (responded to my previous comments).

    Too bad Helen’s blog disallow us to upload images, (or is it me who is IT unsavvy on the how to). Why don’t you try to GOOGLE this 3 simple words – “Penang komtar demo” and CLICK images above the search results line.

    To what extend have the people of other states done so far about this issue? Everytime there would only be just a small number of people tagging along someone who makes a police report. And a pre-informed news crew or journalist waiting outside the station to cover the sensation.

    In Penang the Malays came out and will again come out by the thousands when it comes to this ‘ALLAH’ issue. it is a matter of waiting for the oppotune moment for someone to slightly trigger a spark for all hells to break loose. That’s what I mean by time bomb.

    I oppose to such gatherings which could end-up into catastrophic violence. But I ‘wonder’ who are the notorious underground syndicates behind these Christian clowns pushing to initiate a multi-racial riot?

    Phua Chu Kang’s famous quote says: “Don’t Pray, Pray” (with the name of the Moslem’s God).

    Or Me? Tor For?

    1. re: “Too bad Helen’s blog disallow us to upload images”

      Just copypaste the image location url. And if you want your pix/graphic to appear, make a special request to me (as LOL does). I can upload it from the admin dashboard.

      I’m not sure how the reader-commenter does it from his end tho’.

    2. FYI. Melayu keluar beramai-ramai berdemo = bad, instilling hate culture, Umno sponsored violence.

      Melayu keluar ramai-ramai berdemo bawah arahan pembangkang = exercising freedom, police over reacted with violence influenced by Umno so crowd turns violent.

      Kaum lain keluar beramai-ramai demo dengan segelintir Melayu = exercising freedon for good cause, good turnout, full support of Malays, but if turned violent it’s because of the Umno dogs (the police) or Melayu kucing kurap.

      See that’s the standard script, I made it simple for everyone so you don’t have to read all the long-winded stories embellished with “lurrrve” for Bangsa Malaysia with the exception of Umno, Utusan, PDRM and local and islamic authorities.

      1. All my 10 thumbs up for your comment.

        Lain kali dema buat the lurrrve-Bangsa Malaysia crap, bagi selipar aje.

      2. Is that your standard script? What a shame.

        You should have read my comments about – We have became the Astronaut.

        Umno is blamed even if it put a stand on its religion belief.

        Or Me? Tor For?

          1. Helen,
            What I am about to say will defintely rage orang-orang kampung
            Becos the truth hurts!

            Look around, they are trying hard to erase their kampung identity trying even harder to adapt urban lifestykes. Going for pointless rallies like TURUN or BERSIH…(if I go on with the list their riot will be on me. Haha!).

            Why do you think they don’t organise these rallies during the stretch of holidays? You can’t expect a handful of pure city folks Dongkois to attend them?

            Or Me? Tor For.?

            1. Sorry, which kampung are you referring to? My kampung people not interested in becoming urbanites in the KJ lifestyle mould. But we are interested in progress, which means we want better infrastructure, more parks and recs areas for our youngs and such but we are not interested in the culture of the urbans where you don’t know your neighbours or neighbourhood. We like our lifestyle where the pace is slower and we can interact with one another in a friendly, harmonious atmostphere.

              My kampung people are too busy with their lives to take part in useless demo. When we look at the pictures in the papers of the demos, we just shake our heads and wonder how the Malays can be so gullible to allow themselves to be used. We don’t worry about toll hikes because we probably use the tolled roads once or twice a year, and we’ve got plenty of relatives along the old road who we can visit if we don’t use the toll roads. We don’t worry so much about petrol hikes because it doesn’t affect us directly, only indirectly when the prices of goods and services go up. But we don’t use that much petrol for our kapchai or even our rundown proton. We do not have a fleet of cars and certainly not a fleet of trucks or buses. I could go on…

              I’m sorry if my reaction disappoints you, but maybe in my kampung, our priorities are different. As for my earlier script comment, I wanted to emphasize that for the opposition and their supporters, whatever f***ups, problems, annoyances, grievances there are, the buck stops at Umno, and all the good in this land dropped from the sky at the behest of dapsters and evangelists and PR.

              1. Orangkampung,
                I was refering to orang-orang kampung in general, living in big cities.

                I am sure you have friends or relatives living in big cities (may be you have noticed a few) who has lost their humbleness being replaced with cockiness. Especially those who has came back from studying overseas.

                I apologise if I’ve offended you.

      1. Did you know that there were vigilantes who put on a violent fight against the late homegoers. I bet the protesters must’ve ran helter skelter.

        The police put a lead on the news but it still came out in Malaysia Yahoo news.

        No point pasting your already awared pix sites.

  5. Dr. Asyraf Wajdi in his FB:

    “Sejak bila penguatkuasa seperti JAIS perlu mendapatkan perkenan kerajaan dalam menguatkuasakan undang2 negeri yg telah diluluskan? Ternyata Speaker Selangor YB Hannah ni bukan sahaja menonjolkan kedangkalan beliau terhadap pentadbiran negeri malah menzahirkan sikap chauvinis dan anti-Islam puak2 DAP.

    Sebagai jabatan dibawah kerajaan Selangor, penguatkuasa JAIS hanya bertindak berasaskan peruntukan enakmen negeri dan laporan yg diterima drp orang ramai. Justeru tidak timbul soal JAIS dibawah telunjuk UMNO apatah lagi agenda mengalihkan isu sebagaimana fitnah segelintir. Sedarlah wahai ummat, isu aqidah adalah isu yg wajib kita semua pertahankan tanpa mengira ideologi politik.”

    +++++++++++++++++++

    1. re: “apatah lagi agenda mengalihkan isu sebagaimana fitnah segelintir”

      The Dapsters are forever fitnah-ing.

  6. The Jews call Uzayr a son of Allah and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. These are the mere utterances of their mouths; they only imitate what the pagans of old used to say. God’s curse be upon them: how they are deluded away from the Truth! They take their priests and their renunciant-monks as lords, in derogation of Allah, and also Christ the son of Mary. Yet they were commanded to worship none but the One God, there is no god but He. All Praise and Glory are for Him alone, not for the associations they impute!

    The oldest Christian document written in Jerusalem, when Jesus’ family were still alive: How the original teachings of the servant of Allah Most High, the Messiah Jesus the son of Mary had been thwarted into oblivion by Trinitarian Pauline Christianity.

    [YouTube]

  7. Bila Lee cakap ‘so unless something is done to address the the situation’ is he hinting at the ah jib gor executive intervention?

    After all UMNO had been blamed on the issue from the get go. Would ah jib gor be stupid enough to intervene?

    I hope he won’t, but then again mr whoever memang berbakat buat blunders!!

    Lagipun nak bincang apa lagi. Nasi sudah jadi bubur. Siapa suruh jolok sarang tebuan? Ko pandai bawa kes ni ke makhamah n bila dapat verdict kau hina makhamah n minta executive masuk campur!

    Apa lagi Christian extremists mahu?

    1. re: “Apa lagi Christian extremists mahu?”

      According to the Bible Society president, JAIS are the extremists whose officers are capable or likely to kick down doors. Have there been any news reports that JAIS has done this before? Or is it just another one of their endless list of slander?

      1. Of course we can’t ascertain that can we?

        But do they expect the Jais team won’t learnt a thing or two from the DUMC raid, when their officers are taken for a ride, with buang masa and cuba alihkan perhatian MO!

        From the circulated DUMC videos, the Christian extremists like Lee are a bunch of conniving law breakers themselves. And they know it!

        Why Malay Alkitab? Why the arab sounding al kitab? Call it what it is la… bible bm kan senang?!

        The Malays come out with ada udang di sebalik batu years ago not for nothing!

        1. re: “the Christian extremists like Lee are a bunch of conniving law breakers themselves”

          The operative word is “CONNIVING“.

          And on the other side, you have the PPTA. How are the ‘Tidak Apa’s going to be able to put up a defence against these conniving extremists?

          They are so very conniving that even the power of state, backed up by uniformed enforcement, are no match for them and the mischief and havoc that these connivers wreak.

          1. They think they are above the law as well. By the power of the Vatican and the evangelist extremists worldwide, their jolok sarang tebuan attitude must be stop once and for all. These people should be put behind bars for greater good.

            1. re: “their jolok sarang tebuan attitude must be stop once and for all”

              Urm, is anyone really banking on the 1Malaysia Prime Minister to put an effective stop to the domestic terrorism?

                1. ;-)) KJ consults Regina

                  ;-)) ;-)) Najib consults Marina and Wardina

                  Naaaah, don’t think PM will put a stop to the runaway train wreck.

                  1. Endless Possibilities…

                    So many consultants. So much money spent on consultants. Not to mention to their equally rosmah-esque gaya hidup if not worse!

                    So much of wrongs in a short time. Tun M simply knows his way. When he criticises Tunku, a lot of people kurang senang but to his credit, when was at the helm of PMship, he simply walk the talk.

                    These Christian extremists like Lee and Pakiam would be in Kamunting in no time!

                    1. In his memoir ‘A Doctor in the House’, Dr Mahathir had this to say about May 13:

                      “Trouble had long been brewing and some of us had seen it coming. I had tried to alert the Tunku to the signs but he did not give me a hearing. In the two years leading to the 1969 General Election, antagonism between Malays and Chinese had risen sharply.” (page 198)

                      All the signs were there. Dr M diagnosed the symptoms correctly. He tried to warn Tunku but the Bapa Merdeka refused to listen. Deja vu…

                    2. A doctor also gives prescriptions.

                      It looks to me like Dr M has been prescribing bitter medicine of late. But the patient refuses to believe that he is sick.

      2. They are creating negative vibes and perception for the followers who are already in perpetual hysteria state, and they can just easily ride on waves after that…

        1. These evangelistas are extremists — extremely dangerous because of the outrageous fabrications that they are capable of concocting just to put their opponents in a negative light.

          They are a menace.

          1. Our PM Najib’s silence is deafening to the oppo. and evangalista, hence all the commotion and “name calling”. What would be the outcome once he opens his mouth, you think?

            1. Once the YAB PM opens his mouth, then he must be prepared to act.

              Coordinate with the Majlis Raja-Raja. The Sultan of S’gor has already taken the lead. What the council of rulers decide can then be implemented and enforced peninsula-wide if Najib has the political will.

              The Home Minister has already put his police force at Jais’ disposal.

              Who ordered Umno Selangor to back off from the protest yesterday? The consultants?

              1. It was in Berita Harian online yesterday, but I can’t relocate the news, if I am not mistaken JAIS.

                1. Noh Omar gave the order. I’m just wondering whether 1Najib instructed him to do so.

                    1. I just hope and doa that the stupid ‘whoever’ won’t tarik hand brake pulak to put a stop to this. I’m sure a lot of belakang tabir wheeling dealing to put a stop to what is constitutionally hak Muslims.

              2. That will only compound the problem, with the East Malaysians Christians becoming more upset. Earlier, you said that Umno would not, and should not, do things that would alienate its partners in Sabah and Sarawak.

                “Who ordered Umno Selangor to back off from the protest yesterday? The consultants?”

                You sound disappointed that the protest at the Our Lady of Lourdes Church was cancelled.

                1. re: “Earlier, you said that Umno would not, and should not, do things that would alienate its partners in Sabah and Sarawak.”

                  Hullo, Acik-Ducik, it’s becoming very tiresome for me to have to clarify your Dapsterism.

                  You said that Umno engineered the Allah controversy. I said ‘no’, why in the world would Umno want to manoeuvre itself into a lose-lose situation of upsetting either the BN safe deposit of native Christians or the Umno vote bank of Malays.

                  If there was no ‘Allah’ issue, then both apple carts are not upset and BN-Umno retains its original hold on both constituencies.

                  1. “You said that Umno engineered the Allah controversy. I said ‘no’, why in the world would Umno want to manoeuvre itself into a lose-lose situation of upsetting either the BN safe deposit of native Christians or the Umno vote bank of Malays”

                    “re: “Earlier, you said that Umno would not, and should not, do things that would alienate its partners in Sabah and Sarawak.””

                    Was it not UMNO who was on of those leading the front line in the ‘Allah’ controversy several years ago?

                    Now if this can very well sour their relations with Sabah and Sarawak, tell me, how will your recommendations (re:9:45am) not worsen the issue? A crackdown on the AlKitab and the whipping up of anti-Christian hysteria, would not be endearing to the Sabahan and Sarawakian Christian Bumiputeras/fixed deposit voters.

                    1. re: “Was it not UMNO who was on of those leading the front line in the ‘Allah’ controversy several years ago?”

                      As I recall, it was the Muslim NGOs (e.g. Zul Noordin and gang). At that time ZN was PAS-PKR and a close aide to Anwar.

                      re: “Now if this can very well sour their relations with Sabah and Sarawak, tell me, how will your recommendations (re:9:45am) not worsen the issue? A crackdown on the AlKitab and the whipping up of anti-Christian hysteria, would not be endearing to the Sabahan and Sarawakian Christian Bumiputeras/fixed deposit voters.”

                      My words @ 9.45am: “Coordinate with the Majlis Raja-Raja. The Sultan of S’gor has already taken the lead. What the council of rulers decide can then be implemented and enforced peninsula-wide if Najib has the political will.”

                      Sabah & Sarawak do not have Raja/Sultan who are the heads of Islam. I said their ruling can be enforced “peninsula-wide”. Peninsula excludes Sabah & Sarawak.

                    2. “As I recall, it was the Muslim NGOs (e.g. Zul Noordin and gang). At that time ZN was PAS-PKR and a close aide to Anwar.”

                      Perkasa was also involved in the controversy. The organisation had been receiving backing from the conservatives in Barisan Nasional. As for Zulkifli Noordin, he ran on a Barisan Nasional ticket in Shah Alam.

                      “Sabah & Sarawak do not have Raja/Sultan who are the heads of Islam. I said their ruling can be enforced “peninsula-wide”. Peninsula excludes Sabah & Sarawak.”

                      It can. However, it would still affect relations with the East Malaysian demographic. News of Christian Sabahan and Sarawakian’s working in the Peninsular (there are many) being raided for Al-Kitabs, Bahasa religious services for East Malaysians being clamped down, for example, will not sit well with the Sabahan and Sarawakians.

                      I have been reading some East Malaysian-related Facebook pages yesterday, and they have some strong feelings toward this issue. These are not mere tiny pages with ten or twenty ‘likes’. One of them has over 80,000 followers.

                      The solution would be to permit the use of the AlKitab and Bahasa within the Christian community. The allowance will not cover activities of preaching to Muslims, which is already technically illegal by law.

  8. According to Dinturtle KJ has re-tweeted HY’s tweet without commenting or responding to the later.

          1. I will still tolerate on other issue to certain extend but not this one i.e. Allah and Islam.

            1. When the Ketua Pemuda Umno brings a Scissorati into the inner sanctum, then terima lah padahnya. Scissorati get their training in The J-Star, remember?

            2. I’m with you on this issue. I’m praying Najib to put his foot down but if he wants to be seen as “bipartisan” then he should not stop someone else like MY or Zahid to smack back at these evangelists extremists.

          2. You should instead be concerned about what comes after the demise of Umno. Perkasa is not going to supplant Umno, let alone replace it as the party of and for Malays.

            What will really replace Umno is something that is much more virulent, and as the Malay underclass expands, as more Malays become disgruntled with the Malay elite both from Umno and the other Malay dominated parties, the ground is indeed becoming increasingly fertile for such a virulent Malay party or groups of such actors to come into existence, rise to the surface.

            Umno gone = yeah racism ends as espoused by the Chinese, well, think again. What comes after Umno, now that’s just the beginning.

            1. I’m aware. Of the three options – Umno, Perkasa, Isma – obviously Umno is the less hardline.

              I’ve also blogged about the pedigree of the Umno founding fathers — Tunku, Tun Razak, Tun Dr Ismail and Dato’ Onn, in particular. Umno started from the lofty heights (high standards) of the Malay elite.

              However, as I keep telling you, my opinion is one out of every 10 Chinese (the 10 percent who did not vote oppo in GE13).

              And the evangelista smear squads are going all out to harass and discredit me. And as I’ve mentioned before, they are people who will stop at nothing in their ABU (Asal Boleh Menang).

              If Umno is leaving it to MCA, The J-Star and their Scissorati to put across the message that you’ve conveyed in your comment above, then good luck lah. The PPTA deserves being scissored to shreds. Sendiri yang mengundang musibah.

        1. Gantung Tugas Pegawai Jais – KJ SOKONG Hannah Yeoh ?

          “Diatas saya ambil dari Tweeter Khairy Jamaluddin yang telah meRETWEET mesej Hannah Yeoh yang jika diterjemahkan berbunyi –

          MB Selangor harus menggantung tugas pegawai Jais yang memberi arahan serbuan ke atas BSM tanpa restu kerajaan negeri. Alkitab yang dirampas perlu dikembalikan.

          Biasanya kalau seseorang itu meretweet mesej orang lain tanpa disusuli komen, ia bermakna dia SOKONG dan SETUJU dengan apa yang ditulis.

          Sebenarnya sokongan dari KJ terhadap kenyataan Hannah itu tidaklah memeranjatkan. Selama inipun, KJ tidak pernah nyatakan pendiriannya dalam isu kalimah Allah. KJ juga tidak pernah bersuara sepanjang isu kalimah Allah diperdebatkan, baik semasa proses Rayuan dijalankan ataupun sewaktu isu ini diperhangatkan oleh Lim Guan Eng tahun lepas.”

          http://dinturtle.blogspot.com/2014/01/gantung-tugas-pegawai-jais-kj-sokong.html

          1. If anyone is surprised that KJ/RL stand with HY on any issue, that person must have been living in a cave without wifi for the past year.

            1. re: “If anyone is surprised that KJ/RL stand with HY”

              That 1Clueless person could well be (fill in the blank).

  9. When it is said the Bible is corrupted, they deny it. but look, it is happening under our own eyes right now. They are changing the word Lord/God to Allah according to their whim & fancies. It is anybody’s guess what they will change next.

    If their reason is that they want to change to the word Allah because there many Sabahan & Swakians in peninsular & for orang asli, then they should have change to the name of the Indian god & chinese god long time ago because there are more indian & chinese kristians in peninsular.

    Do they do that in India or China?

    1. Re. It is anybody’s guess what they will change next.

      I hope it is not too big for Helen to print, the caption below the pix says “They have wonderful author-editor relationship”

    2. Even among Christians, these people are the sesat ones. If they had lived during the Inquisition, they would be the ones killing, torturing and burning the native populations, in the name of God, konon. But funnily, not once did the Inquisitors invoke the name of Allah when they did those evil deeds. So why are these Malaysian Christians so determined to poke their hornets’ nest here? Don’t they value life?

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