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Lagi konsultan Najib mengeruhkan keadaan

Perkasa mengkritik Majlis Perundingan Perpaduan Nasional dan menegaskan tidak akan sesekali mengiktiraf pertubuhan tersebut mewakili masyarakat Islam.

“Malah, kata [Setiausaha Agung Perkasa Syed Hassan Syed Ali], MPPN bukan saja dianggotai majoritinya bukan Islam tetapi diwakili oleh beberapa panel yang berpendirian liberal dalam soal agama.

“Biarpun tidak mendedahkan nama pemimpin tersebut tetapi dipercayai Perkasa merujuk kepada Ahli Parlimen daripada PAS, Datuk Dr Mujahid Yusuf dan aktivis, Datin Paduka Marina Mahathir.” (Herald, 7 Jan 2014)

MPPN pula, selepas mesyuarat pertamanya kelmarin, telah mengumumkan bahawa para anggotanya akan berfungsi sebagai “pembina jambatan perpaduan” untuk meleraikan kekusutan di antara pihak-pihak yang bersengketa.

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Sorotan:

  • Najib Razak tubuh MPPN
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  • Najib lantik Marina menganggotai MPPN
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  • MPPN kata ahli-ahlinya akan “membina jambatan
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  • Marina kata Perkasa “banyak cakap perkara sampah”
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  • Bagaimana Marina akan boleh menjadi “pembina jambatan” apabila bukan sahaja Perkasa tetapi banyak NGO Melayu-Islam melenting padanya?

Apa keberkesanan perunding (konsultan) yang dipilih Najib ini?

Blogger Din Turtle berpandangan bahawa hujah dan desakan yang diutarakan MPPN itu “SEBIJIK SAMA dengan apa yang dipertahankan oleh pihak gereja!”

Atau dalam kata lain, konsultan Najib yang ditolak bulat-bulat oleh Perkasa nampaknya cuba menggerakkan agenda ‘Allah’ gereja.

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100 thoughts on “Lagi konsultan Najib mengeruhkan keadaan

  1. Bukan konsultan yang mengeruhkan keadaan tetapi yang melantik mereka tu yang keruh sudah akalnya..

      1. Not a single move by Najib is good , pemimpin yang dilantik tetapi bertindak seperti lembu dicucuk hidong .

        Pemimpin sejati mempengarohi ,bukan dipengarohi.

      2. Islam1st,

        There is a saying “do not reinvent the wheel”. It means if the existing methods works, why bother to change’.

        Tun Dr Mahathir’s way of ruling the country may sound harsh to some . But during his tenure, extremists such as from DAP and Christian preachers kept at bay. Tun simply did not tolerate those playing racial gallery.

        and he used ISA effectively. And those who were fond of playing to the gallery knew it too well. Even politicians from UMNO and MCA were too detained under ISA.

        Tun was demonised. To westerners, a “:brown Muslim” is not supposed to have independent mind. A “brown Muslim( the terminology used by Wisma Putera after insulting report on Malaysia in English media) is not supposed to be intelligent.

        But Tun is forever firm. He said what he felt. He too can be wrong. but he is no hypocrite.

        NAJIB’s problem I believe is due to his senseless feeling to accepted as a reformer. He reforms no doubt. But the result often are disaster.

        He brings in consultants. often they have no “mercy’ in their assesments. Najib disregard time tested experienced senior officers in favour of Western minded consultants.

        He filled MPPN with those the Malays view as having ‘anti Malay” attitude. and Malay assesment is proven to be accurate. this counsel sided with Christian preachers.

        He ignored advice from tun to concentrate on Malay voters. Instead he is so ‘terhegeh hegeh’ to get chinese votes. he was soundly rejected. Yet he still could joke with Guan Eng who slandered UMNO day in day out.

        The office of AG is seen as forever slow to prosecute those slandering UMNO, Malay, islam. Yet with power in his hand, Najib refuse to “reshuffle” AG office including finding a new AG.

        He abolished ISA. Yet this move still did not bring votes. Instead those who are fond of slandering(especially racist DAP) become bolder.

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  2. Not sure what kind of bridge they gonna build when their mind already made up. If unity is about sharing one common name for god,they also need to check with the buddhist, hindu, orang asli counterparts whether they’re acceptable to this as well.

    Let’s not make it just between the christians and the moslems… let’s be fair to ALL Malaysian instead of picking and choosing certain quarters.

    I propose we build a rainbow bridge that lead up to delusionaland!

    1. Maybe not many of Marina’s Bangsar friends are Buddhist, Hindu or orang asli. Christians are the fashionable crowd.

          1. Confucius says:

            “By three methods we may learn wisdom: First, by reflection, which is noblest; Second, by imitation, which is easiest; and third by experience, which is the bitterest.”
            “Without feelings of respect, what is there to distinguish men from beasts?”

            [YouTube]

            “Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated.”

    2. I think Buddhists, Hindus, atheists, agnostics dan lain-lain, don’t really give a hoot about this issue. Ok, ok, MCA did voice up but they’re clueless.

      Anyway, I’m more concern with how this is going to shape up. There is always nothing good coming out of any religion related bickering (Helen has been warning and reminding her readers with so many posts here although some thinks she’s a batu api, which I think not).

      For the Christians who fought over this, they’re just so over their head and when this really boils over with some unfortunate events, they’ll realize that it’s really not worth fighting for. It’s still not too late for them to give this up but I doubt they will since they have strong backing.

      1. The Prophet (s.a.w.) said: “Let him who has something good to say, say it; or else it’s more helpful to maintain one’s silence.”

  3. ‘…NUCC should include ulama as members. What we have now is Ustazah Marina Mahathir in the council, ‘ Perkasa information chief Muhammad Zahid Md Arip.

    KElakor!!!

  4. According to those Islamic fanatic, Marina burn the bridge but if Marina don’t ‘burn’ from the left end, the fanatic will burn from the right end. Either way, the fanatic do not want the bridge, they want it not to be there.

    1. The fanatics are not interested in positive interfaith relations at all. That is why Marina is getting criticism from these type of people for attempting to create better ties between religions. Helen’s anti-Christian obsession has gotten to a malignant to the point where she will throw her support behind these fanatics in the hope of causing hurt to her targets, blatantly ignoring the wider consequences it may have. Her seeming disappointment about the cancellation of Sunday’s church protest tells a lot.

      1. Oh, fine, as you wish. Marina adalah seorang muslimah contoh dan NGO-NGO Muslim semua ini adalah fanatik, menurut pandangan AC-DC.

        1. apabila ada seorang wanita melayu yang mempertahankan gereja, memegang lilin untuk ‘night-vigil’ maka puak-puak ini akan melabel wanita melayu berkenaan sebagai muslimah contoh?

          nampak sangat kedangkalan…..!

          1. Frankly, she has nothing good to say or comment of the Islamic religious body, Ulama, Ustaz, Muslim NGOs etc. Dia aje lah yang lebih pandai dari orang lain. Here is one such example:

            The Marina Mahathir’s article which The Star refused to publish!

            … most people are ignorant about their religion and tend to leave these matters to those they believe know best. Thus if the State Mufti or religious adviser says it’s a good law, they are unlikely to challenge him. Thus are religious laws passed unscrutinised.

            Until, that is, something happens, such as when someone gets convicted of a syariah crime and punishment is meted out. Who knew that people could get caned for drinking, or for having a baby out of wedlock until the recent cases of Kartika and the three women?

            Not only are these laws not debated when they are being made, they can’t be debated afterwards either, unlike civil laws. To do so, according to some people, is akin to arguing with God …

            If one believes that syariah laws are superior to civil laws, should they not be held to higher standards? Should they not be subjected to more rigorous debate than civil laws out of fear that they may be unjust? If syariah courts are deemed superior to civil courts, should not their processes be more transparent and efficient? How is it that there are innumerable women having to undergo tremendous suffering because syariah court orders to their divorced husbands to pay child maintenance cannot be enforced?

            How is it also that we suddenly hear about women being caned without any information about the processes they went through? Did they have the benefit of legal representation and heard in an open court? If they did, who were their lawyers and what defence did they mount?

            Surely the best court of law is one that strives for justice, which shows it is fair to all parties. In this case, on whose behalf was justice served?

            I have no problems with syariah laws if their foundation is justice, equality and non-discrimination for all, even non-Muslims. But when their intent, processes and enforcement are unfair, they only give the impression that Islam is unjust and discriminatory. Surely to give such an image of Islam is a sin.

            As I mentioned, I won’t comment on the questions she poses. I merely want to put the above extracts in juxtaposition with another article (below), also by The Malaysian Insider titled: Government woos conservative base with canings – extracts follow:

            The caning of three women under Islamic law is the latest move by the government to woo conservative Muslims, a risky tactic that could cause a backlash by ethnic minorities and damage economic reforms.

            The first ever canings of women in traditionally moderate Malaysia were carried out in February after syariah court sentencing for adultery. Another woman faces caning for drinking beer.

            The canings came hot on the heels of a row over the use of the word ‘Allah’ by Malay-speaking Christians that triggered attacks on churches and mosques and ahead of another court case this week over Christians’ right to use the word.

            PAS officials say Umno’s approach on the canings was a political ploy to win over the 15 per cent of Malays who remain undecided as well as to split PAS from its ethnic Chinese allies.

            “The caning issue is just political bait,” said Dr Dzulkifli Ahmad, a senior PAS official.

            Sumber: KTemoc Konsider (I am not sending traffic there)

      2. Ya, Helen’s obsession of destroying Christian especially Hannah had gone to such a point that anything against Christian she will support even though that mean to demonize her own race if necessary.

        1. Dude.. how can she demonize her own race when you guys have been going to town with ‘anak malaysia’, remember? Oh, so now .. you’re playing the race card: when it’s convenient? LOL…

      3. bq. “The fanatics are not interested in positive interfaith relations at all.”

        Yes, they are, those Christian fanatics, no?

        bq. “That is why Marina is getting criticism from these type of people for attempting to create better ties between religions.”

        Ah! You were saying, Marina is the epitome of conciliator in creating better ties between the Malay Muslims and those Christian groups when she questioned everything from the Muslims’ and advocated anything coming from those Christians? Just tell me, what kind of ties she tries to promote?

        Any rational person would agree, those Christians will lose nothing if they don’t use “Allah”. For the sake of her own country, will she then reason with those Christians to step back and put all their efforts together to translate their Bible/materials using PROPER Malay (instead of just ripping off Indonesian translations)?

        Just like how she had reasoned with the Malay Muslims by bringing the Christian Arabs usage of “Allah” (where she had conveniently neglected the fact that Malay is not Arabic, similar to English isn’t Arabic, which is why “God the Father” is never been found as “Allah the Father” in English).

        bq. “Helen’s anti-Christian obsession has gotten to a malignant to the point where she will throw her support behind these fanatics in the hope of causing hurt to her targets, blatantly ignoring the wider consequences it may have.”

        I see. Helen, she is the biggest irrational anti-Christian while she had only spoken up against some of them. So what are you then? Our founding-fathers’ biggest mistake?

        Do you even remember how this nonsense continued?

        To refresh your memory, they, those same groups, had once unveiled their Malay Bible with the word “Elohim” instead of “Allah”. That was a win-win situation, wasn’t it? Should they still be satisfied with their “Elohim”, they won’t need you, Marina and a certain Lim Kit Siang to teach us Malays how to speak Malay, Arabic-wise/Indonesian-wise.

        bq. “Her seeming disappointment about the cancellation of Sunday’s church protest tells a lot.”

        So now you are telepathic too?

  5. I believe in God, not in a Catholic God. There is no Catholic God, there is God and I believe in Jesus Christ, his incarnation,” the pope said in the interview with the Italian newspaper La Repubblica, as quoted by the Inquisitr. “Jesus is my teacher and my pastor, but God, the Father, Abba, is the light and the Creator. This is my Being. Do you think we are very far apart?”
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    The Pope refers to God name as Abba. Msian church better listen to what the Pope says.

    1. I think the Firsters are now being deliberately more brazen in their defiant use of the Allah word. It is not from genuine belief but biadab, like saying “Oh for Allah’s sake”, “Allah forbid”, etc.

        1. I do not think the Orang Asli Christians will be commenting that prolifically online so as for me to notice this trend.

          Do Sabahans and Sarawakians make remarks like “Oh for Allah’s sake” or deliberately using ‘Allah’ in place of common expressions like Oh my God”? Can show me a Sabah/Sarawak chat forum discussion where you claim they use the ‘Allah’ word? I’d like to see the context.

          1. My Sarawak kawan selalu cakap ‘tak baik Tuhan marah’, the past 8 years I befriended him, whenever me or my other muslim kawan says something tak baik.

            1. And BTW what make you, acdc thinks that non-Muslims Orang Asli would refer to their God as Allah?
              Perhaps the Muslims Orang Asli would. But definitely not the animist or ancestor worship Orang Asli!

              Unless of course, your so called ajar english includes turning the Muslim Orang Asli into Christians?

              1. Poor islam1st, so ignorant to the point he is unaware of the existence of Orang Asli who are Christians.

          2. “Do Sabahans and Sarawakians make remarks like “Oh for Allah’s sake” or deliberately using ‘Allah’ in place of common expressions like Oh my God”? Can show me a Sabah/Sarawak chat forum discussion where you claim they use the ‘Allah’ word? I’d like to see the context.”

            I know that the Sabahan and Sarawakian Christians have been using ‘Allah’ for their religious practices.

            https://www.facebook.com/Ibanpedia

            1. re: “I know that the Sabahan and Sarawakian Christians have been using ‘Allah’ for their religious practices.”

              Hullo. Of course we all know that too. That’s why there’s this ‘Allah’ row now.

              But don’t lah buat bodoh bendul. My original comment (which you addressed) talked about a recent and deliberate use of the Allah word as a form of defiance.

              I’ve noticed commenter in portals and Facebook using the word online to provoke. Its use certainly is not in church during religious service. It’s online in the alternative and Facebook and used to mock other readers (the opposing ones who are Muslim.)

              1. I would not consider the people commenting in that Facebook page to be provoking. The Perkasa lunatics waving banners calling for Christian teachers to be barred from teaching in schools would be a fine example of provoking. Ditto with remarks to burn bridges.

                1. I am not referring to your Facebook page. I’m referring to Facebook comments that I’ve read which are liked to the portals.

                  1. Isn’t it perplexing, Najib bentang Kapet Merah untuk diorang, diorang tibai 24-7, bila perkasa balas tak boleh terima pulak.

                    What do they want actually?

                    1. re: “What do they want actually?”

                      Umno dead.

                      That’s the key for them to unlock all the other things they want. ‘Allah’ grab is just a ruse to get the Sabah & S’wak Christian votes and consequently Putrajaya.

                  2. You also asked for an online forum/social page where East Malaysian Christians were using the word. I gave you one example.

                    Perhaps you would like to play mullah and dictate them to change their practices.

                    1. From your Iban Facebook link, go check out the following post:

                      Jazz Capario Maxzine
                      : “Amen.. Praise to be Allah the Father, Allah the Son and Allah the Holy Spirit!” (January 4 at 7:54pm)

                      If he is using English (and not Malay language), why does he not instead say “Praise be to God the Father, Lord Jesus the Son …

                      Didn’t the Christians say that they are using Allah in Malay?

                    2. And you ignore the rest of the comments that are not in English. For instance:

                      “Tu baru gaya MALAYSIA baka ti dipelajarka kitai maya ba sekula suba… Allah Taala Merekatka Menua Malaysia – Allah Taala Bless Malaysia. Amen.

                      Like · Comment · Share
                      Momo Ling, Mcbelantine Mayok, Yurica Prashellia and 3,021 others like this.”

                      By the way, J.C. Maxzine lives in Sarawak. Perhaps you might want to ask about it?

                    3. It is natural for me to ignore the Iban comments since I don’t understand the language.

                      However I asked a straightforward question which you have yet to reply.

                      The Dapsters claim that the ‘Allah’ word is used because these Christians are Malay speakers. Maxzine’s comment is in English. If so, then as an English speaker (or at least someone able to speak English) why does he not simply say “God the Father” instead of “Allah the Father”?

                    4. “It is natural for me to ignore the Iban comments since I don’t understand the language.”

                      So if they comment on the issue in their own language, their voices do not count?

                      “However I asked a straightforward question which you have yet to reply.
                      The Dapsters claim that the ‘Allah’ word is used because these Christians are Malay speakers. Maxzine’s comment is in English. If so, then as an English speaker (or at least someone able to speak English) why does he not simply say “God the Father” instead of “Allah the Father”?”

                      Actually, I have replied your question. As far as I can tell from his Facebook profile, he lives in Sarawak and is likely a native Christian. Is there anything wrong with him typing in English? A lot of your readers submit their comments in English too, even when they are criticising others for not using Bahasa Melayu.

                      Why don’t you ask J.C. Maxzine about why he was typing in English? Send him an email or a private message to his Facebook.

                    5. re: “It is natural for me to ignore the Iban comments since I don’t understand the language.” / “So if they comment on the issue in their own language, their voices do not count?”

                      Acik-Ducik is giving me too much credit. Just because one blogger Helen Ang ‘no understand’ Iban doesn’t mean that their voices do not count.

                      You are displaying your Dapster trait of being UNREASONABLE by trying to compel me to review comments made in Iban.

                      re: “”However I asked a straightforward question which you have yet to reply. The Dapsters claim that the ‘Allah’ word is used because these Christians are Malay speakers. Maxzine’s comment is in English. If so, then as an English speaker (or at least someone able to speak English) why does he not simply say ‘God the Father” instead of “Allah the Father’?” / “Actually, I have replied your question. As far as I can tell from his Facebook profile, he lives in Sarawak and is likely a native Christian. Is there anything wrong with him typing in English?”

                      If he’s typing his comment in English, is there anything wrong for him to say God the Father and Jesus the Son? Instead be wrote: “Amen.. Praise to be Allah the Father, Allah the Son and Allah the Holy Spirit!”

                      Why say “Allah the Son”?

                      Everywhere in Christendom the Son is known as “Jesus” (or sounds like the name Yeshua). Why in Malaysia must they UBAH his name to ‘Allah’?

                    6. “Just because one blogger Helen Ang ‘no understand’ Iban doesn’t mean that their voices do not count.
                      You are displaying your Dapster trait of being UNREASONABLE by trying to compel me to review comments made in Iban.”

                      Here you go with your typical ‘lidah bercabAng’ attitude. You chose to zero in on one Sarawakian posting in English while tens of thousands of comments in Iban and Malay were deliberately overlooked because they will demolish your agenda and presumptions.

                      “If he’s typing his comment in English, is there anything wrong for him to say God the Father and Jesus the Son? Instead be wrote: “Amen.. Praise to be Allah the Father, Allah the Son and Allah the Holy Spirit!”
                      Why say “Allah the Son”?”

                      So, instead of making presumptions to justify your prejudices, why don’t you clarify with J.C. Maxine from Sarawak why he wrote that phrase in English? You can also pitch the question to members of the Facebook page.

                      “Everywhere in Christendom the Son is known as “Jesus” (or sounds like the name Yeshua). Why in Malaysia must they UBAH his name to ‘Allah’?”

                      Why don’t you seek to clarify this with those East Malaysian Christians? Unless you already have a dead set prejudice against Christians and love to bait your pro-establishment readers with twisted articles.

                    7. I asked a simple question which you are putar-beliting to avoid directly answering.

                      The evangelistas contend that the Malay-speaking Christians need the ‘Allah’-al Kitab because BM is their mother tongue and they are not competent to use the English bible.

                      You personally are defending the evangelista’s demand for the ‘Allah’ translation. So you can answer as a defender of the ‘Allah’ translation.

                      Why do you think the Facebooker who comments in English wants to say “Allah the Son” when in English it is normally Jesus the Son? Don’t divert the topic.

                      I am not asking you to answer on his (the Sarawakian’s) behalf. I’m challenging you to defend your position supporting the ‘Allah’ translation into BM for peninsular use with ref. to a link that you yourself introduced.

                    8. “I asked a simple question which you are putar-beliting to avoid directly answering.
                      The evangelistas contend that the Malay-speaking Christians need the ‘Allah’-al Kitab because BM is their mother tongue and they are not competent to use the English bible.
                      You personally are defending the evangelista’s demand for the ‘Allah’ translation. So you can answer as a defender of the ‘Allah’ translation.”

                      Here you go, another ‘putar-belit’ and ‘bercab-Ang’ in action.

                      If you claim that it is the so-called evangelistas making the case, why have native East Malaysian leaders come out to defend the case of permitting the ‘Allah’ translation? An example are those members in the Facebook page. There are also some who are Barisan Nasional leaders, such as James Masing, Bernard Dompok, Pairin Kitingan, and more.

                      “Why do you think the Facebooker who comments in English wants to say “Allah the Son” when in English it is normally Jesus the Son? Don’t divert the topic.”

                      “I am not asking you to answer on his (the Sarawakian’s) behalf.”

                      Here you go again. First you asked me why would J.C. Maxzine write ‘Allah the Son’ in English. Then you tell me you do not ask me to answer on his behalf. He wrote the comment, not me. If you seek an answer regarding that, why don’t you ask him? It is simple.

                      “I’m challenging you to defend your position supporting the ‘Allah’ translation into BM for peninsular use with ref. to a link that you yourself introduced.”

                      And, if you bothered to see the forest for the tree in that link, you will observe many of the members, who are Sabahan and Sarawakians, using that translated word.

                    9. re: “If you claim that it is the so-called evangelistas making the case, why have native East Malaysian leaders come out to defend the case of permitting the ‘Allah’ translation? An example are those members in the Facebook page. There are also some who are Barisan Nasional leaders, such as James Masing, Bernard Dompok, Pairin Kitingan, and more.”

                      The 10-point solution allows James Masing, Bernard Dompok, Pairin Kitingan, et all to use the word because they are native Christians of Sabah and Sarawak.

                      What we would like to know is why you people, as Selangor Chinese/Indians who do not speak BM and despise the Arabs, are still so keen on saying ‘Allah’? Simple question. Still cannot answer, ah, that you have to divert to Masing, Dompok and Kitingan.

                      Here in Selangor we acknowledge the sovereignty of the Sultan over his state. Sabah and Sarawak do not have Sultans. Since you have previously claimed that your IC code is Selangor, then you should give your answer as a Selangorian rather than putar-belit across the South China Sea. Ish, a Dapster is as a Dapster does.

                      re: “Then you tell me you do not ask me to answer on his behalf. He wrote the comment, not me. If you seek an answer regarding that, why don’t you ask him? It is simple.”

                      Why is it that you’re giving the excuse that you are unable to review Maxzine’s views when previously you have had no qualms in commenting on what Najib/Muhyiddin/Zahid/Hisham have said?

                      Najib say something … you have your opinion on it.
                      Muhyiddin say something … you have your opinion on it.
                      But when Maxzine say something … suddenly you have no opinion at all but desire me to e-mail the guy and ask him myself.

                      So how come when everybody whacks Najib for something that the he said, nobody stops to consider e-mailing the PM to ask him to explain his comment? Instead everybody immediately goes for his jugular.

                      You are showing your typical double standards, no?

                    10. “The 10-point solution allows James Masing, Bernard Dompok, Pairin Kitingan, et all to use the word because they are native Christians of Sabah and Sarawak.

                      What we would like to know is why you people, as Selangor Chinese/Indians who do not speak BM and despise the Arabs, are still so keen on saying ‘Allah’? Simple question. Still cannot answer, ah, that you have to divert to Masing, Dompok and Kitingan.”

                      If you actually bothered to pay attention to the controversy, you will know that they are actually defending the use of ‘Allah’ in Malay language sermons, Al-Kitab, and other related material in Malay language. These sermons and religious material cater to Malay-speaking Christians from East Malaysia (but working and residing in Selangor) and the Orang Asli community.

                      Salangor Chinese and Indian Christians do not use ‘Allah’ as they do not worship in the Malay language. The issue is not Chinese and Indians using ‘Allah’ or Malay sermons, but the Bumiputera Christians.

                      “Here in Selangor we acknowledge the sovereignty of the Sultan over his state. Sabah and Sarawak do not have Sultans. Since you have previously claimed that your IC code is Selangor, then you should give your answer as a Selangorian rather than putar-belit across the South China Sea. Ish, a Dapster is as a Dapster does.”

                      As a Selangorian, the Malay-speaking Christians (East Malaysians Christians resident in my state, and Orang Asli Christians) are entitled to their own sermons and religious material in Malay, which also includes that word.

                      “Why is it that you’re giving the excuse that you are unable to review Maxzine’s views when previously you have had no qualms in commenting on what Najib/Muhyiddin/Zahid/Hisham have said?”

                      “If he’s typing his comment in English, is there anything wrong for him to say God the Father and Jesus the Son?”

                      So what makes you think J.C. Maxzine of Sibu has no right to use Allah when writing in English?

                      You mean you have not heard the expression ‘God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit’? Or in Maxzine’s case, if he is a Bumiputera from East Malaysia, he would use ‘Allah’ in place of ‘God’.

                      Now, why don’t you stop being obtuse and lazy, and ask him that question?

                      Better yet, ask those people in that Facebook page for their viewpoints.

                      “You are showing your typical double standards, no?”

                      Nope. You are the one showing double standards, playing dumb and disingenuous, and typical symptoms of ‘lidah bercab-Ang’

                    11. AC-DC, the alternating current, how apt — up and down and round and around. Like the Dapsters yang selalu UBAH pendirian.

                      Here let me cut to the chase, rather than your ke hulu ke hilir Acik-Ducik.

                      re: “So what makes you think J.C. Maxzine of Sibu has no right to use Allah when writing in English?”

                      The claim for using the Malay translation is reasoned upon the excuse that the Sabah & Sarawak natives are not conversant in English and require their prayer materials printed in Malay.

                      Now here is this guy who uses English and he still insists on saying “Allah the Son”.

                      If you’re in the English-speaking group, then why not follow the English bible NONE of which use ‘Allah’?

                    12. Don’t slag on alternating current. Without it, you will have no electricity supply. No computer or internet to wax nonsense about Christians, Marina Mahathir, Hannah Yeoh, or other people you choose to hate on. Perhaps that would give you an opportunity to go outside and exercise.

                      “The claim for using the Malay translation is reasoned upon the excuse that the Sabah & Sarawak natives are not conversant in English and require their prayer materials printed in Malay.
                      Now here is this guy who uses English and he still insists on saying “Allah the Son”.
                      If you’re in the English-speaking group, then why not follow the English bible NONE of which use ‘Allah’?”

                      So you imply that Bumiputera Christians have no right to use their Malay or Iban mother tongue if they have some competency in English? Why don’t you tell that to the people here?

                      https://www.facebook.com/Ibanpedia

                      Go ahead. Tell them if they have some English fluency, then they have no right to use Malay or Iban language.

                      Scared?

                    13. Congratulations Acik-Ducik. You’ve descended to Che Sapienza level. There’s not much lower you can go that that. You’re reaching the nadir.

                    14. Typical cop-out comment from Helen Bercab-Ang when she runs into a brick wall of facts.

                      Not going to ask them? Not even going to ask J.C. Maxine? No surprise there. ;)

                    15. I don’t see any “facts”. And you should look in the mirror.

                      You’re becoming uglier by the day with the level of name-calling and ad hominen attacks that you’ve descended to.

                      But nonetheless I’m still glad you’re here … to do a Show & Tell to the silent majority on Dapsterism and how it operates.

                      {{Sarcasm}}

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                    16. Are they, the Dapster and Evangelista, representing the Bumiputera Christian in Sabah and Serawak now, while the issue in contention is about them and the “Allah” term here in Semenanjung?

                    17. Interesting POV.

                      The aggressive evangelistas are attempting a reverse takeover here of Islam in Selangor and Christianity in Sarawak. A strategy that is putting Putrajaya within their reach.

                    18. “I don’t see any “facts”.”

                      You choose to purposely blind yourself to them.

                      “…And you should look in the mirror.
                      You’re becoming uglier by the day with the level of name-calling and ad hominen attacks that you’ve descended to.”

                      You call people who do not agree with you names such as dapster, jerusubang, evangelista, and so on. Look into the mirror.

                    19. Jerusubang is a place, not a people.

                      And do please go on with your personal attacks on me. Like I said, you’re giving a show-and-tell on how Dapsterism functions.

        2. AC-DC,

          I have many Christian friends from Sabah, sarawak. all of them when asked said they worship Jesus. Never once they said “allah’.

            1. They speak in their native language la.. Iban… we dont have a problem with Sabahans & Sarawakians using Allah coz they have been using it all along in their languange & in Bibles imported from Indonesia. The issue is, in Peninsular, TAK BOLEH BUAT..!! Not just from the cultural prespective, but from alegal perspective too. Faham?

  6. I think it’s a strategic move to set up this MPPN. Not because of what it can contribute but more towards assembling all the antagonist characters in one group and observe their actions.

    At first I think it’s a waste of money and time because most of the panels elected to be in the Council are liberals, egotistic, lack of knowledge on real issue and quite fond of barking for no reason, but on second thought, it would be a good indicator of how ridiculous and stupid their proposals would be.

    It’s rather good that the public can see what kind of mentality these people in the council have.

    I don’t expect anything from this council anyhow. Boikot Cina DAP punya bisnes.

    The brigde of tolerance and understanding has been burnt for me as far as I’m concerned.

    1. Re. I don’t expect anything from this council anyhow. Boikot Cina DAP punya bisnes.

      Ditto

      Re. The brigde of tolerance and understanding has been burnt for me as far as I’m concerned.

      Ditto…

      1. Agreed.

        This is a quote from Malcolm X – “There is nothing in our book, the Qur’an, that teaches us to suffer peacefully. Our religion teaches us to be intelligent. Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone lays a hand on you, send him to the cemetery.”

        I’m beginning to like his perception more and more. This JAIS issue for most Malays is making us feel not only like someone laying a hand on us but more like being kicked around. I don’t think a bridge can salvage this. For me, the kalimah Allah for Malay Muslims ONLY is NON-NEGOTIABLE.

        1. The irony is Malcolm X was slain by Muslims from his Nation of Islam.

          The Christians have not been laying arms against Muslims in this issue. Rather, it is a bunch of people who are still ‘thick-faced’ and refuse to acknowledge that the Sabah and Sarawakian Christians use it.

          1. How come the God of Christians got so many name?

            Difference place got difference name.. so funny.. I means not their God is funny but the followers are so confuse species..

            Why not all the world’s christians leader esp the vatican do something to identify the true and original name of Christian’s God.. felt really pity of their God..

            1. Yet you are so fearful that Muslims will be confused by Sabah and Sarawakian Christians using ‘Allah’, and convert to Christianity.

              1. Re: How come the God of Christians got so many name?

                Very simple question.. and yet you choose to answer something out of topic.. Re: ‘so fearful that Muslims will be confused’

                You really don’t even want to think about my question.. very very weird species..

                1. Dapsters like AC-DC are like alternating currents when asked a “very simple question”.

                  I asked him a simple question too as to why an English speaker would choose to say “Allah the Son” and you should hear how he UBAH to this and that diversions rather than attempting to answer a straightforward question.

                  1. Spin when fail to answer.. Tokong’s loyal supporter..

                    He even so afraid to tell us about his God’s name.. maybe coz he also confuse which God that he should pray..

                    but.. he is really good joker..

          2. ha.. a bunch of people who are still thick faced.. you get it wrong friends, We thick faced Malays did not give a hoot if the Ibans and Kadazans wanted to use Allah in their prayers as they have no ulterior motives. You visit any natives churches in Sabah And Sarawak, can u find any church that say “Rumah Allah”.

            Only in Malaya, some so called Christian wanted to use Allah too but not Christians world-wide. What is the motive? a.In Malaya, we are deeply concerned because we know what happened in Indonesia. After ages of so called pancasila, we cant be sure if any Indonesian with a muslim name, a Muslim, Hindu or Christians.

            You think this is good but look at the number of religious clashes happened in Indonesia is more numerous than here. In Malaysia, there was no religious clashes happened here, only racial clashes.

            We can live in harmony because the majority Malays tolerated other religions as long the other religions have no ulterior motives.

      2. Boycott china dap punya bisnes:

        Memang dah in process tetapi there needs to be a strong malay muslim supply base to make them really feel the boycott.

        The only and best way to get at DAP is for PAS to unite with UMNO for the sake of ISLAM. Only then will DAP loose its footing.

        1. Nak sabotage Business diorang senang aje. Suruh ustaz ustaz keluarkan Fatwa “Sesat” haram beli barang kedai Cina DAP sebab mereka dikira Kafir Harbi. Harus Lingkup terus.

          Ustaz Azhar Idrus once did that to MacDonald and the business drop over nite, until MacDonald has to come up with statement that they don’t support Israel.

          1. Weakening the Cina DAP business supply chain slowly but surely:

            Diskaun Untuk 22 Barangan Yang Dibeli Di Pasar Tani – Ismail Sabri Sebanyak 22 barangan diberi pengurangan harga antara lima hingga 20 peratus jika dibeli di 517 buah Pasar Tani di seluruh negara bermula hari ini, kata Menteri Pertanian dan Industri Asas Tani, Datuk Seri Ismail Sabri Yaakob. http://tinyurl.com/ljsfnxa

  7. They want blood. They want using this issue to bully the non Malay especially Christian. Helen just want to add fuel in the situation so that she wants to see clashes happen between these 2 groups. She also keen to see blood and then she would says I told you so. Let the world watch how the fanatic Muslim want to cleanse the Christian from Malaysia.

    1. re: “how the fanatic Muslim want to cleanse the Christian from Malaysia”

      You’re definitely the one talking like a fanatic.

    2. Wooww seriously you are talking c*ck. I could just replace some words then this is your real meaning..: –

      ‘DAP’ want blood. ‘DAP + evangelist catholics’ want using this issue to bully the ‘Muslim’ especially ‘Malay+UMNO’. ‘DAP/JStar’ just want to add fuel in the situation so that they want to see clashes happen between these 2 groups. ‘They’ also keen to see blood and then ‘they’ would says ‘UMNO’ told you so. Let the world watch how the fanatic DAP + evangelist catholics’ want to cleanse the ‘Malay/Muslim’ from Malaysia.’

    3. You’re a funny man, malaysian, Not that smart nonetheless, very funny. I love how your usage of words: coined so well, it makes it sound as if being a Christian will get you persecuted here in Malaysia. Cocaine or any type of drugs is very bad for the brain: Ya better do a winehouse and check into a rehab.

      I love how mental you can be and labelled these islamic NGOs as fanatic when all they asked for is not using the Allah name in vain and turn it into a generic brandname. How twisted can you be when you are aware, the very same NGOs have no qualms whatsoever that it is used in Sabah/Sarawak as they taken into consideration of the language factor for the ibans, etc: You wanna talk about being tolerant and respect, there you have it.

      If the church or the evangelistas are sensitive and sincere over unity, they would have dropped this claim but they cite Indonesia and Arab countries as example. We both know that in those countries, their national language is one unlike ours. Their sermon is in the very one language they’re using. Unlike here, where sermon comes in different languages.

      Those ‘fanatics’ you labelled are the same like the Christians in America who are in a row over ‘Merry Christmas’ or the attack on christian faith there: but you don’t see/get the moslem community (the minority, similar to here) asking that they make a generic name of a god. So, you consider what the NGOs are doing as bullying?

      Child… if that’s your definition of bullying, what do you make of the time when Christ himself teaches Christianity back then to the jews? A walk in a park?

      Face it and I know you know, this claiming of a generic name is not just about politic but more about divinity or good vs evil and making a mark which is a truer religion. If the table is turned and it’s the moslem that asked you to change the name of your god, wouldn’t you be offended? Wouldn’t you be up in arms protecting it? Wouldn’t you then be labelled as fanatics as well?

        1. From link by anakjamil;
          “They say you can believe, but you can’t evangelise,” Mr Xu said. “But that is a natural act for Christians. The bible commands us to preach the gospel.”

          Hmmmm…the evangelists and it’s natural act to them. What’s the agenda eh for using Allah word? ;)

          1. If you wanna throw shade, throw the right kind of shade. Don’t deviate and twist it into something else. Keywords here are : bully and persecuted (you can see that in my first two lines).

            What’s with the link? It’s to address the ‘claim’ by malaysian, that this whole fiasco made him felt, yes.. you’ve guessed it bullied and persecuted (lavish use of the word blood, sure ain’t talking about blood donation, no?).

            So.. bitch pleasee.. if ya gonna comment, have an espresso, make sure you’re awake.
            Damn, I hate stupid bitches!

        2. Paste from the link :
          “Despite all the persecution and suffering, God is calling more and more people in China,” he said.

          He didn’t mention ‘Allah’ here….maybe later will mention Lord God Buddha?

    4. ” Let the world watch how the fanatic Muslim want to cleanse the Christian from Malaysia.”.. bombastic words… wanted to add more.. 2nd class citizens…apartheid, racist in Malaysia.

      Show me one proof that Christians over here are persecuted..

  8. Islam is religion of peace, not peace of weak and submissive, but peace of strong and justice.

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