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Isma: “Extreme provocation by the non-Muslims” (DISCUSSION)

Isma has articulated a few perspectives which I hope that you, the readers of this blog, can give me some feedback on.

Below are the talking points which Isma president Abdullah Zaik Abdul Rahman raised in his FMT interview published today. My questions follow.

Isma: ‘Islam under threat’

Abdullah said the actions of sex bloggers Alvivi were an insult to Islam’s dignity and ‘done on purpose’.

(1) Do you think that Alvivi’s “wangi, enak, menyelerakan” Bak Kut Teh buka puasa greeting was … (?)

  • (A) a little bit insulting
  • (B) moderately insulting
  • (C) very insulting
  • (D) did not mean to be insulting

JVperubahanNyata

JVpemulihan

JVpulihkan

Abdullah said Jaclyn Victor’s Harapan Bangsa song “hopes for a Christian nation”.

(2) Do you reckon that Harapan Bangsa [YouTube HERE]… (?)

  • (A) is nothing more than a song of praise
  • (B) wants to plant ideas in the Christians’ head
  • (C) really hopes for Malaysia to become a Christian country
  • (D) intends to rally Christians to act to make the ‘harapan bangsa’ a reality
OngKianMingAllah
DAP Serdang MP Ong Kian Ming

Abdullah said that Isma have the evidence to back up their claim about Christianisation activities.

(3) Do you believe that the evangelistas … (?)

  • (A) are doing a little bit of exploratory dakwah among marginalised Malay Muslims
  • (B) have made inroads in their dakwah among urban Malay Muslims
  • (C) have been secretly active in carrying out dakwah among liberal Malay Muslims
  • (D) are not doing any dakwah at all among Malay Muslims
allahsake
Editorial by The Nut Graph editor Jacqueline Ann Surin

Abdullah said the use of the ‘Allah’ word was a contextualization/localization masterplan to “bit by bit normalise the Christianisation project and people will accept it slowly”.

(4) Do you believe that the evangelistas are championing the ‘Allah’ issue because they want to … (?)

  • (A) defend the right of pribumi Christians to use the word
  • (B) defend the right of all Christians to manage their own religious affairs in the country
  • (C) defend the human rights of all Malaysians belonging to other faiths (Buddhism, Hinduism, etc)
  • (D) persuade Malays that their Allah is the same as the Christian God
Malaysiakini Proarte
http://beta.malaysiakini.com/news/251207

ABOVE: Malaysiakini subscriber ‘Proarte’ commented: “Righteous protest by any quarter is needed to make Muslims wake up and see the morass which their religion is in, being represented by evil politicians and half baked religious leaders who happily reject the Koran and even dare rewrite it. Their ‘Allah’ is man made and is called UMNO and Money.”

Abdullah said the non-Muslims are the ones insulting Muslims, and “when Muslims hit back, they say we are extremists”.

(5) Do you view the behaviour of the non-Muslims to be …(?)

  • (A) “extreme provocation” like what Isma said
  • (B) mildly provocative due to the politics of race
  • (C) tit-for-tat but only in retaliation to the Muslims’ provocation
  • (D) defensive rather than offensive because the non-Muslims are besieged by the Islamic authorities

I’ve drafted 5 questions above based on the statements by the Isma president.

This is an opinion survey to find out what you all are thinking. Unlike the Dapsters, I prefer to ask directly rather than to make assumptions. Thank you for your willingness to share your thoughts with all of us here.

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POSTSCRIPT:

You can just put your comment in alpha-numeric form like “agree (1)A” … “agree (2)B” etc

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60 thoughts on “Isma: “Extreme provocation by the non-Muslims” (DISCUSSION)

      1. Btw Mulan, what is the purpose of your highlighting HY’s tweet on this thread?

        We’re discussing Isma and the perceptions that readers have on the 5 topics above. Urm, connection pls?

        1. Abdullah said the non-Muslims are the ones insulting Muslims, and “when Muslims hit back, they say we are extremists”.

          She asks God to protect from the racists blablabla.
          Now when people comment she terasa pulak. Karma lor
          Anyway she now joins the Sue Club

          1. the pregnant Malay lady could have declined the seat offered by the Chinese girl in green t-shirt…. sitting bersila is comfortable for some people in some situations.

            1. Whoever took the pix might have seen the event prior to that and hence made an effort to post it in his/her FB.

              Sorry to say, I took monorel quite often and I have seen many of the pregnant ladies were not given seats, and those selfish behaviour mostly come from the Chinese regardless of age.

              1. Re: ……………… and those selfish behaviour mostly come from the Chinese regardless of age.

                I also can say I took LRT/KTM/Monorel very often and ‘allege’ that the selfish behaviour mostly come from Malay/Chinese/India/etc etc. Other people also can say the same. Just type on the keyboard and let Helen publish.

                Come on LOL, unless you have something to support our allegation better not to say it. Same like the picture above. Anyone can use the picture and put eg Najib, Anwar etc etc etc and say “Duduk bersila baik untuk wanita hamil”.

    1. Maybe she should sue herself, she created more hatred, prejudices, racial and religious tension and a closet racist. Discuss.

    2. Hi Helen,

      This is my take
      1. (A) a little bit insulting
      Comment: This is just a childish prank which should not resort to legal action. Let the public reprimand him and that I believe would be sufficient.

      2. I cannot find the right answer
      In my opinion, there is nothing wrong because everyone is free to express their ambition for their own religion as long as they don’t insult others. Just as the Muslim is free to wish and pray that all the people in the world become Muslim, the Christians and other faiths can do the same. Whether it will be materialized is another story. But whatever action should be in accordance to the law.

      3. I will just write my opinion on this issue.
      Christianisation is a fact. It would be stupid not to believe they are doing it, be it among Muslim or people of any faith. It is an ongoing war that will never stop. So the Muslim will also work in defense of the Christianisation.

      What I see in this issue in Malaysia is that since we are a multi racial country, a level of compromise should be achieved. If they want to quietly dakwah the Melayu, that is their own business. But if they want to openly dakwah the Melayu, this is an open challenge to the Muslim who is the care taker of this government and also challenging Islam as the official religion in this country. It is also like challenging the law that prohibits proselytisation of Muslim.

      4. I choose E i.e. my own view :-D
      The whole issue of Allah as I can see boiled down to 3 main issues.
      a. Political reason to thump down UMNO and to paint it as an extremist group. This will translate into vote for opposition which is fully supported by the evangelists. Even PAS are allured to doing that as it will gain more vote from the evangelists.
      b. Intentionally challenging the constitution. Their want to test the limit of the constitution and see how far they can push it. Victory in this case will open door to many other opportunities to challenge many laws that put Islam above other religions in Malaysia. (Read the tuntutan IFC).
      c. Simple arrogance of the evangelists who expect the Muslim to bow down to their demands because they are gaining political power.

      5. (A) Extremely provocative. Totally agree

      1. Please take the trouble to read what some Christians think of Muslims. They say our Imam Mahdi is the Antichrist, haha. Worse, they think Muslims are praying to the wrong God, hahaha.

      2. These people sudah kurang ajar dan melampaui batas. Bagi betis nak paha. Don’t they know that to a true Muslim; the blood of these belligerents is halal?

  1. 1-Do you think that Alvivi’s “wangi, enak, menyelerakan” Bak Kut Teh buka puasa greeting was

    (C) very insulting

    2-Do you reckon that Harapan Bangsa

    (D) intends to rally Christians to act to make the ‘harapan bangsa’ a reality…and to dakwah among the Malay speaking majority

    3-Do you believe that the evangelistas … (?)

    (B) have made inroads in their dakwah among urban Malay Muslims…marginalised-urban poor and kampung folks

    4-Do you believe that the evangelistas are championing the ‘Allah’ issue because they want to … (?)

    (D) persuade Malays that their Allah is the same as the Christian God

    5-Do you view the behaviour of the non-Muslims to be …(?)

    (A) “extreme provocation” like what Isma said

  2. C
    D
    B
    D
    A

    These issues have been running too long, and it’s the actions and words of some quarters who think it’s all UMNO and ISMA and PERKASA and have no idea and totally oblivious to how condescending and shallow and insulting they come as with their righteous sounding yet insincere diatribes to people like me, that pushes my opinion further along those lines.

    I don’t know know how many of people like me are out there.

    I don’t think they exist in the upper levels of UMNO though. Or in their so called consultant agencies and think tanks.

  3. 1 – (B) moderately insulting
    2 – (A) is nothing more than a song of praise
    3 – (D) are not doing any dakwah at all among Malay Muslims
    4 – A + B + C
    5 – (D) defensive rather than offensive because the non-Muslims are besieged by the Islamic authorities

  4. I agree with the answer of Islam 1st.

    Allow me to add something.

    This has prompted the Catholic Lawyers’ Society (CLS) of Kuala Lumpur to state that all federal and state laws should be harmonised with the Federal Constitution to grant every individual equal right to practise their faiths according to the precepts of their own religion.

    CLS Kuala Lumpur president Viola De Cruz Silva said there must be clarity and certainty in the laws affecting race and religion to prevent conflicts between the different religious groups in Malaysia.”

    —-

    Ah, suddenly the issue is no longer about the word “Allah” but “misalignment of state laws with Federal Constitution”.

    See, this is the real gameplan. To test the water whether Malay-Islamic political clout is still solid or vice versa.

    The crusade of bygone IFC is still simmering but this time around they got massive support from so-called “progressive” Muslims from all corners of political parties be it UMNO, PKR and PAS.

    The battlefield is already shifted to the domain of Siyasah Shar’iyah and no longer confined to mere “translation” issue. This is clear cut.

  5. Helen,

    ISMA ini sangat bijak menangguk di air keruh.. Mereka cerdik dalam menjadikan diri mereka sebagai alternatif kepada UMNO dan PAS..

    1. I agree that Isma menyerlah dan Umno tenggelam.

      Umno had better buck up! I think Akramsyah Sanusi would be able to better carry himself ideologically and intellectually.

      Najib has too many liabilities. Big, big mistake to have appointed KJ.

      1. Khairy was elected by the members of UMNO Youth. Akramsyah was defeated; they did not see him as the ‘better’ candidate.

      2. Helen,

        There is a saying “buku bertemu ruas’.

        ISMA is in its element. It is able to articulate its view very well in English, the language so dear to those politicians who often belittle Malays who try to defend Islam or malay community.

        ISMA, I notice gave a good lesson to Marina Mahathir. Before this, Marina can easily get away after insulting chiding the Muftis, or malay community, UMNO, islam. Simply because no NGOs then was able to articulate view . Now I believe Marina may want to think twice as ISMA is clearly watching her.

        IBNI ISMAIL,

        ISMA is not “menangguk di air keruh”. ISMA just fills the gap. UMNO with its irritating “tidak apa” oftens does not respond to insult to Malay Muslim community. And PAS ever since “merafak sembah ” DAP has decided that it would defend everything under the sun EXCEPT ISLAM.

        BElieve me, had UMNO acted the way it did during the tenure of Dr Mahathir, then ISMA is redundant. It is because UMNO’s refusal to act that ISMA is forced to defend Islam. At least, someone with superb academic credential is defending Islam.

        And that is 100000 times better than having DAP dictating and defining what Islam should be.

  6. If ISMA can say Islam is under threat/provocation, next we will have Christians saying (perhaps already said). Later, Buddhist, Hindus, Sikhs etc etc all will claim the same. Will this provocation thingy ever end?

    1. Keadaan sekarang ini sepertinya tidak akan berakhir.. jika sebelum ini kita berseteru atas perkara bangsa, sekarang ini kita mula berseteru atas nama agama..

      Sejarah membuktikan bahawa perseteruan agama akan bermula dan berakhir dengan darah dan nyawa.

      Berbalik kepada keadaan semasa di Negara kita ini.. Saya melihat setelah bertahun Melayu dan Cina bertengkar secara adik beradik, kini sepertinya menjurus kepada pertengkaran antara agama Islam (melayu) dan agama Kristian (Cina /Indian evangalista)

      Pertengkaran ini jika kta tidak secara bersama membendung akan menjadi pergaduhan besar.

      Saya seperti melihat taktik puak Kristian (evangallista.. bukan semua kristian) seperti mahu memastikan kaum bukan melayu (cina, India, sikh, bumi sabah & sarawak dan lain2) berada bersama mereka.. Puak Kristian ini memastikan bahawa mereka dianggap sebagai jaguh yang boleh melindungi orang bukan melayu dari terus di ‘buli’ oleh orang melayu..

      Kristian evangalis ini memainkan isu ‘BULI’ ini secara berterusan sehingga ianya seperti benar benar terjadi secara berleluasa sehingga orang Cina yang sudah kaya raya juga percaya bahawa mereka selama ini di buli..

      Berbalik kepada hal peri keadaan orang melayu. setakat ini keadaan masih dilihat terkawal kerana Najib tetap berpendirian Liberal sama seperti PAS melalui Mujahid dan Khalid samad..

      Sampai bila najib boleh bertahan dengan asakan bukan sahaja ahli partinya malahan Tun M juga sudah mula hilang sabar..

      Sampai bila PAS boleh bertahan dengan asakan bukan sahaja ahli partinya malahan Dewan Ulamak PAS pun sudah mula hilang sabar dengan pendirian liberal PAS setakat ini..

      Perseteruan agama tidak akan menguntungkan mana mana pihak..

      1. re: “Saya seperti melihat taktik puak Kristian (evangallista.. bukan semua kristian) seperti mahu memastikan kaum bukan melayu (cina, India, sikh, bumi sabah & sarawak dan lain2) berada bersama mereka..”

        Tepat sekali.

    2. Re. If ISMA can say Islam is under threat/provocation, next we will have Christians saying (perhaps already said).

      Please read and watch the youtube video.

      GEMPAR !! Gerakan Kristian Di Malaysia Terbongkar !!!

      http://www.anwaraidc.com/?p=43124

      Re. Later, Buddhist, Hindus, Sikhs etc etc all will claim the same.

      Perhaps they will. Historically the Christian has been known to modify their “Jesus ” the local culture.

      Re. Will this provocation thingy ever end?

      When Muslims state their right and stance it is provocation to you, The Christian, but in reverse it is your right through and through.

      Hypocrite.

      1. Re: The Christian, but in reverse it is your right through and through.

        How do you read my statement to arrive at the above conclusion?

  7. Ms H. It is time for those who accuse the Chinese, Malaysian Chinese of provocation, should be absolutely specific with their accusations because those who provoked the Malays are in the minority. Those who provoke the Malays must be identified and put into a DATA BASE so that the majority of the Chinese, Malaysian Chinese who are INNOCENT AND IGNORANT of such misdeeds do not carry the SAME BURDEN as these miscreants.

    1. Since the majority of the Chinese refuse to repudiate the actions of the minority of the Chinese who re belligerent (evangelistas), then expect collective punishment.

      1. A lot of Sabah and Sarawakian native Christians are defending the use of ‘Allah’. Even Barisan Nasional Christian leaders have broken ranks with Umno to sound their concerns.

        Perhaps they should expect collective punishment too?

        1. Uncle AK47 was referring specifically to “miscreants” (his word) who provoke.

          Are you saying that the Sabah and Sarawakian native Christians defending the use of ‘Allah’ and BN Christian leaders are similarly “miscreants” who provoke?

          1. Reverse Take Over i.e. justifying their wrong doings by implicating others who are not within their domain.

        2. What’s to defend when there is no attack? Stop trying to bring the DAP created, evangelists-led manipulation of the whole issue to my state.

          The Christians in East Malaysia do not need to defend the usage, no one is stopping them from using it.

          Again, try harder when you want to link things which have nothing to do with one another.

          Your DAP politics is imploding in my State, and you try to speak on behalf of Sabahans?

          Mengarut bah ko ni!

      2. Ms H. I am certain that many Chinese, Malaysian Chinese are peaceful and do not like to provoke the Malays. They have no reason to unlike HY. These are the Chinese with the cultural and spiritual ballast and above the age of 40.

        There are shameful Chinese examples on this very Blog like HY who tried time and time again to provoke me A VOICE OF REASON because he is a Mandarin educated tit who has a big big inferiority complex. THIS IS THE CHINESE MALAYSIAN CHINESE DILEMMA. CHINESE JEALOUS OF THEIR OWN KIND. WHAT DO YOU EXPECT THEM TO THINK ABOUT THE GOOD MALAYS, INDIANS AND ALL. ALL THESE TYPES OF CHINESE THINK THEY ARE SMART.

        JUST LOOK AT THE POLITICAL MESS THEY HAVE CREATED – THESE HOLLOW MANDARIN SPEAKING TYPES !

        1. Re. These are the Chinese with the cultural and spiritual ballast and above the age of 40.

          I beg to differ, many of my “former” DAP friends are in that age category. They hold post graduate degrees in various fields. Some have even “unfriended” me, since I have started to tell it like it is after PRU13, no hold bar kind of telling off (minus the expletives).

          1. LOL. With due respect, I refer to the 10% of the Chinese, Malaysian Chinese who voted BN at the 13th General Elections and those who were misled by an impending change of Government spiel put out by the Opposition.

            I agree that there are many Chinese above the age of 40 who are hard-core DAP types and worship the brilliant Lee Kuan Yew with his 14 failed Policies for Singapore. All have been brainwashed. IT IS THE EASY LIVING IN OUR BELOVED MALAYSIA WHICH PRODUCED THESE APPARENTLY ANTI-ESTABLISHMENT TYPES. The rest of the Chinese in the World solidly vote for the incumbent Governments even in China.

            Here their mind-sets have been screwed askew by the brillliant Lee Kuan Yew so much so they cannot think straight in their very own personal and the Nation’s interest. It is a pity for these Chinese who should think and behave better with their historical past.

            1. LOL. Have you noticed that the MCA never never attacks the brilliant Lee Kuan Yew with his 14 failed Policies for Singapore but only go for the proxy nominee the Singaporean Trojan Horse DAP ? Why ? Scholarships, bank accounts, relatives, condos, future haven etc ?

              1. AK47

                Do you own AK47 btw? lol

                Meantime check the real Singapore blog. You will read a lot grieves from the local Singaporean (I am not going to use the term native, as they are not..). Among others :

                1. They complain about their job opportunity have been taken over by Foreign Talents;

                2. They complain about how the Malaysian PRS have overtaken the top post in most organisation and deliberately sidelining them by bringing in their Kaki from their hometown in Malaysia;

                3. They complain that they have been demoted to the level post in IT, where the Indian FT have taken up the top post, the pinoy in second/middle post (no change actually) and theirs as mouse or keyboard change operator;

                I am tempted to write a comment “now you know how the Singaporean Malays feel”.

                Re. attacks the brilliant Lee Kuan Yew

                Since their dubious account i.e. black money are mostly channel and kept there, do you think they dare to do so?

                1. LOL. It is good, very good ( I learnt these words from Tan Sri Runme Shaw in 1963 who never said a bad word) that more people realise the real Malaysia and the real Singapore. I am with you in your sensible comments which have come out of the Singaporean wash in recent years.

                    1. You think so? I can’t figure coz I am not familiar with his writing style in lingo (if that is what you meant), but I surely can identify Helen’s style even if she signed as ANON somewhere ( but then again I may be wrong).

    2. no, shd be the other way round, allow those tortoise that often retract their head to be registered into a database. majority chinese r not tortoise. otherwise bought him a diaper oso can.

  8. my answer
    1) None of the above..what do you expect from an amateur sex actors wannabe?..a sense of respect for religion?..come on lah..they’re stupid let them be stupid..don’t entertain this pig.

    2) None of the above..in my own words it’s just a song..why so serious?..dont like it than make yourself a video & put it on youtube and have sami yusuf or maher zain playing at the background.

    3) a, b, c…they’re evangelical for a reason..and let’s not forgetting the orang kampung such as in sabah it’s quit command..but i respect they will not force you..it’s all depend on the person..nasib baik iman ku tebal..hahaha..well actually i just don’t believe the anak tuhan story.

    4)None of the above..i personally think they’re just menangguk di air keruh..it’s politically benefiting them in a long run.

    5) None of the above..well i give my own answer..i’m currently live in kl but some times going back to sabah and in sabah most of the none muslim are ok with us muslim..most of us don’t want to make our life difficult..if you referring to the political evangelist than don’t use the word none muslim in general Miss Ang..if so that mean you too are included..so be specific..and yes the evangelist are evangelist..they’re quit political just like the jihadist minded…dua2x ekstrim..nanti dorang punya pasal hidup aku dan hidup kawan aku yg aku kenal dr kecil jadi kacau…trust me at the back of their head they want to continue the holy crusade or perang jihad from the bygone era so that they can ultimately determine which side that god will be with..it’s their favorite game and they’re trying to pull us all in and want us to playing it all together even if we don’t want to get involve.

    1. The word “non-Muslims” was used within quotation marks and attributed to the Isma president Abdullah Zaik in the FMT article.

      I kept to what he said.

      Personally I feel “Christian” (meaning DAP evangelistas) would be a more appropriate description because as you’ve rightly pointed out, “non-Muslims” also includes me.

      1. Given that Isma has clashed with Hindus, and will likely do so again in future, his use of ‘non-Muslims’ is apt. Isma is obviously hostile to other religions.

        1. Same goes to DAP in 1969 with the Malays and currently which in progress. Helen has blogged about this. Please read.

          Re. Isma is obviously hostile to other religions.

          ISMA is a Muslim NGO group, but the Christian has been proven through out history to have inflicted atrocity to the natives and people that they tried to dominate.

  9. 5-Do you view the behaviour of the non-Muslims to be …(?)

    (A) “extreme provocation” like what Isma said

    ‘Penduduk Kampung Teluk Sengat, Kota Tinggi dekat sini yang marah menggantung beberapa kain rentang dan menampal puluhan poster bagi mencemuh tindakan seorang ahli jemaah pengurus sebuah Sekolah Jenis Kebangsaan Cina (SJKC) yang didakwa meminta seorang guru Cina Muslim membuka tudung.

    Wanita itu turut diancam keselamatannya jika enggan berbuat demikian.’

    http://siemens-melayumaju.blogspot.com/2014/01/hangat-guru-muslim-sjk-cina-kota-tinggi.html

  10. 1. C – Very insulting.

    2. Dunno. I don’t listen to local artistes. And i won’t start now.

    3.C – Have been active.

    This is my issue with them. It’s in the tenet of their religion – like Islam – to propagate. But because of the law that prohibits preslytization to/of Muslims, they resort to duplicitous methods, such as this Allah issue.

    If they are truly believers of Jesus Christ. then stop being deceitful.Instead of creating all the hullabaloo about the usage of Allah, go after the law that they feel is against the Constitution.

    Ada berani?

    Did you know that the Catholic church in Shah Alam do not offer communions to those who are not baptized Catholics? And yet when it is a crusade against Islam and the Muslims, they join hands when in truth, they can’t stand each other and do not regard the other as true Christians?

    Hypocrites mofos!

    4. Again, if they are true believers of Jesus Christ, stop all these duplicity! Just admit that it is easier to convert those who are naive, the poor and downtrodden, and those whose faith is not strong, by claiming the ‘Allah’ as used by the Muslims is the same with their 3-in-1 instant god.

    5. Not all but if you mean the evangelists and the herald dude, then yes. Honestly, if not without the full support of the DAP, these people would never be too obdurate to be acting as such.

    They are lucky the Malays are a patient lot. Had this obduracy been in places like Pakistan, it won’t only be police reports that they’d be facing.

  11. With this http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/mobile/malaysia/article/idris-jala-unfit-to-be-christian-if-he-remains-silent-on-10-point-solution we go to war.

    Tmi purposely invite hatred and use the same deveitful tactic to use Farouk to misprepresent the Muslims view. They don’t want to hear the Muslims view dismissing it every time they can. Evangelistas are a national threat.

    As to your question 1 – b, 2 ( sorry I haven’t listen to it), 3 AB and C. 4D and 5 I think the way they approach this issue with dap tmi and the left, create utmost resentment among Muslims. Too much and too long. Najib is bloody ineffective. This should have been nipped in the but. DAP and the left should be castigated and condemned.

    Sectarian violence I see in the near future. Now I feel ISA should be re-introduced against this incessant attack of the long held peaceful tradition we have had. Since they arrogantly think they are big and right, the Malays Muslims will in a matter of time go head on physically against them. There’s too much of kurang ajar that they can endure.

    1. re: “As to your question 1 – b, 2 ( sorry I haven’t listen to it)”

      The link is embedded. Song won’t take you more than 4 mins to listen, Ellese.

      re: “incessant attack”

      Accurate word indeed. Also relentless.

      re: TMI

      Correct. It is the media outlet fanning the Christian sentiments the most.

      1. Dear Helen. TMI had just changed its header. But the message is out. To a priest, if you don’t follow the 10 points solution you’re not a Christian. This is an indeed an extremist view that is intended to be stuck in the minds of the gullible Christians. Even the Muslims never asked the rubbish dr Farouk to be a non Muslim. But they question people’s faith for not following the 10 points as if its an article of faith. Its a dangerous slippery slope TMI and the Christians are taking.

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