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Parti BN mana yang sokong Umno dalam isu ‘Allah’?

Rencana FMT hari ini, ‘Allah issue: Should BN vote on it?’

Amalan BN ialah satu parti, satu undi. Usul-usul yang dibentangkan dalam mesyuarat BN akan diputuskan menerusi undi, yakni Umno ada satu undi, MCA 1, MIC 1, PPP pun satu, dsb.

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60 thoughts on “Parti BN mana yang sokong Umno dalam isu ‘Allah’?

  1. MCA tidak berhak langsung untuk mengundi.

    Dan jumlah undian harus tertakluk kepada jumlah ADUN dan MPs dari setiap parti.

    1. The Allah issue is a close Malay issue. Fighting Catholics in Melaka in 1511 is the same as fighting Catholics today. Only, this time it is the Chinese race which is promoting the jewish priests…so strange.

      So for the Malays it is just another fight against colonialism of the Christians from Europe. Again they use proxy Indians and Chinese to fight for them.

      But Najib is happy the Malays are tied in religious issues because he can give GAMBLING money to Vincent Tan through special draw as the Finance Minister without the Malays/PAS noticing.
      Sekarang ni tanpa MCA di kerajaan Najib pula memberi 84 special draws untuk tokey judi Cina dan India.

      Ini menunjukkan ada sindiket triad Cina yang menguasai Kementerian KEwangan sehingga sanggup mengayakan tokey judi. Value special draw in i diganggarkan dalam 8 billion yang akan dikutip dari rakyat Malaysia. Kerajaan UMNO bangga kutip 115 juta!

      Apa hal Pemuda UMNO senyap je? Hard Rock Cafe sampai jumpa Adnan ni judi 8 billion tak jumpa Menteri Kewangan?

      1. CGSiFM: please check your fact, who started and approve the special draws and are still reaping the collections….

    2. If we base it on the proportion of parliament seats, the majority will still vote against Umno. This includes the Sabah and Sarawak component parties.

      The solution will be to permit the Bumiputera Christians to continue their religious practices, as they have been doing before the 1986 notice. Barisan Nasional gets to close the issue and avoid disputes from the other component parties.

    1. In fact in Sarawak, I knew some schools has the wording of John 3:16 – “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” IN JAWI on the wall of the school and the Muslim school teachers and students plus the state gov have no problem of this.

      1. ‘In fact in Sarawak, I knew some schools has the wording of John 3:16…IN JAWI on the wall of the school’

        Go and tell that racist Bukit Mertajam Sister!

    2. “PBB Sarawak also support Allah in Malay / Iban Bible”

      Bahasa Iban is not Bahasa Melayu. Words in Iban maybe different from those in Bahasa Melayu. Just like Tagalog or Javanese might have similar words in Malay. They are all different.

      This is like Tamil and Hindi are alike. This is not true. Even Mandarin and Cantonese maybe different.
      Eat is 吃 in Mandarin but 食in Cantonese. 食 is a noun in Mandarin but a verb in Cantonese.

      If Allah is used in Iban that does not automatically qualify Allah in Bahasa Melayu.

      (94 words, P13)

        1. ‘If Allah is used in Iban that does not automatically qualify Allah in Bahasa Melayu.’

          Thank you Mulan, Allah in Iban Bible must be referring to God and definitely not referring to One and Only God of Islam, why then would they still want to use the word Allah. They can use Tuhan if all they want is the BM bible.

          Apa lagi depa mahu?

  2. YDP Agong dan majlis raja2 pun buat bodo.. tak pelik kalau satu hari nanti Malaysia akan jadi negara Pluralisme dlm perlembagaannya

    1. Please don’t join the Christian bandwagon to insult our YDP Agong and Majlis Raja Raja. The only Sultan that has made a statement over the issue is The Sultan of Selangor, for all the current commotion is happening in Selangor.

      The remaining stand by the court ruling until further decision and judgement on appeal by the Herald.

      1. The ‘gesture’ by the Selangor Sultan is enough for these to toe the line. But of course a law that is not favoring them is never a law.

        The YDP Agong and the rest of the Sultan tak payah nak mencemar duli nak layan golongan extremis ni.

        Kan kelakar kalau semua dah cakap dan masih lagi ada bantahan. Kalau YDP Agong dah cakap masih lagi tak dipatuhi, rasanya orang Melayu kat negara ni nak buat apa?

    2. Re: YDP Agong dan majlis raja2 pun buat bodo..

      Pastinya kita tidak mahu YDPA dan Raja Raja Melayu berkelakuan seperti kita.. mereka kenalah bertindak secara berhemah. Yakin lah bahawa mereka pasti memantau akan segala apa yang terjadi..

      1. Sultan Selangor pun dah bagi royal decree supaya rakyat Selangor dan rakyat Malaysia yang berada di Selangor supaya mematuhi undang-undang enakmen negeri Selangor.

        Kalau kat Selangor buat la macam kat Selangor. Kalau kat Penang takkan lah orang nak suruh buat macam kat Selangor.

        Samalah macam Sabah dan Sarawak, orang Malaya pergi sana pun kena ikut adat resam sana!

        Kata negara unik. Inilah keunikan.

  3. I can savely say that umno will lost the vote. Just look at the BN component parties, mostly non muslim. I am not biased. Just look at the decision of the MPPN whose members are majority non muslim.

    But above all it is sad & disappointing to see that Islamic matters are now decided upon by non muslim. Either which way the losers are muslim.

    All this happen because umno is a traitor to Islam.

    1. Mata hati anda kabur, tak berapa jelas nak nilai apa yang benar. Tanya diri sendiri, apa yang PAS dan PKR buat untuk Islam dulu.

  4. Hi Helen,

    I wonder why there is a black out of this news which I think of a great significance. In fact the Star conveniently ignored it while the usual PR cheerleaders in the alternative media have closed both eyes.

    So now the million ringgit question is since Penang is under DAP, will the Tokong sack mufti and change the law?

    He was very vocal in giving unsolicited advice to Najib but when it comes to his own backyard, he’s elected to maintain an elegent silence.
    ——————————————————————

    CRIMINAL OFFENCE: Flouters face jail, fine or both, says spokesman

    GEORGE TOWN: “SOLAT”, “Surau” and “Masjid” are words non-Muslims in Penang are prohibited from using in their writings.

    The words are among the 40 decreed by the Penang mufti, as provided under subsection 48(3) and (4) of the Penang Islamic Religious Administration Enactment 2004, as exclusive to Muslims.

    The other words are “Allah”, “Firman Allah”, “Ulama”, “Hadith”, “Ibadah”, “Kaabah”, “Qadhi'”, “Illahi”, “Wahyu”, “Mubaligh”, “Syariah”, “Qiblat”, “Haji”, “Mufti”, “Rasul”, “Iman”, “Dakwah”, “Wali”, “Fatwa”, “Imam”, “Nabi”, “Sheikh”, “Khutbah”, “Tabligh”, “Akhirat”, “Azan”, “Al Quran”, “As Sunnah”, “Auliya'”, “Karamah”, “Syahadah”, “Baitullah”, “Musolla”, “Zakat Fitrah”, “Hajjah”, “Taqwa” and “Soleh”.

    A Penang Mufti’s Department spokesman said besides prohibited from using the words, non-Muslims were also forbidden to write or publish any of the words in any form, version or translation in any language or for use in any publicity material in any medium, including print, electronic and any form, that could insult the sanctity of Islam.

    The decree was enforced on April 29, 2010.

    Those found flouting the decree would be charged under Section 3 of the Syariah Criminal Offences Enactment (Penang) 1996.

    The section says any person, whether he or she is Muslim or not, who develops doctrines or religious beliefs other than Islamic religious doctrine or belief among Muslims is guilty of an offence triable in the civil court and shall be liable to a fine not exceeding RM3,000 or imprisonment not exceeding two years or both.

    The spokesman said so far, no action had been taken against any individual or group since the law was enforced.

    Yesterday, the New Straits Times reported that Kelantan had enforced the law prohibiting non-Muslims from using 24 Islamic words and phrases, including “Allah” for more than 30 years.

    Those flouting the law could face up to RM10,000 in fines or five years’ jail or both. They are also liable to be caned

    http://www.nst.com.my/nation/general/penang-mufti-outlaws-40-words-to-non-muslims-1.459685

    1. If Star leave out this news, ask Utusan to publish it, I am sure they are very willing to do it. Anyway I just wonder anyone ever being charged under this law in any states and successfully convicted and send to jail? I doubt any state gov will dare to do this for the world to judge.

      1. This is a sovereign Muslim nation. It’s not the world’s business to judge what Muslims here do to protect the sanctity of their religion.

            1. ‘So perhaps we should also not judge other nations such as Israel, Syria, and Myanmar?’

              The amok prone pendatang killers will agree to this. Good to know that ACDC shares similar views.

          1. AC-DC,

            Only a moron would want to compare Malaysia with Myanmar or Israel.

            Malaysia is a unique country. In Malaysia, the minority is challenging the majority. In Malaysia, the minority( I am talking about chinese) simply refuses integration but they support their racist politicians who insist if all the words in the world, Allah, must be shared with christians.

            In Malaysia, 8, if not 9 out of 10 richest businessman is Chinese. Yet they lament that they are discriminated.

            In Malaysia, once an immigrant, Leong Yew Koh, was appointed as Governor of Melaka upon independence. and that was an era when apartheid was rife in south Africa and blacks and non white would go to prison simply by drinking from fountain reserved for white in USA.

            YET NOW these racist species accuses Malays of bring racist.

            And so when a Chinese friend of mine says that there are many Yahudis among Chinese community, he is right. Damn right.

            1. “In Malaysia, the minority is challenging the majority.”

              Interestingly, this same language of ‘minority challenging the majority’ is used by the far-right, ultra-conservative, and white-supremacist groups in the West opposed to civil rights.

              “In Malaysia, once an immigrant, Leong Yew Koh, was appointed as Governor of Melaka upon independence. and that was an era when apartheid was rife in south Africa and blacks and non white would go to prison simply by drinking from fountain reserved for white in USA.”

              Fifty to sixty years later, the tables have turned. A black man is President of the United States. In Malaysia, Utusan tries to drum up hatred against minorities and non-Muslim children are made to eat in a school changing room during Ramadan.

              1. ” Utusan tries to drum up hatred against minorities and non-Muslim children are made to eat in a school changing room during Ramadan”

                ===> Isn’t the same thing is being done by the likes of MK,MI, the Rocket and PR leaders like LGE and Hannah ?

                When you say non Muslims are made to eat in a school changing room, you made it sound as though it is a normal practise rather than an isolated incident. Can we say PR leaders have loose morals because of Anwar’s and Eli Wong’s scandals ? Or they have penchant for luxury because the Tokong got a shinny new Merc S-Class?

                  1. Jahatnya itu orang UMNO. Kesian Pak Timbalan Menteri?

                    Ayo! why resort to aggression, orang Melayukan bising macam tong kosong aje takkan berani bertindak ganas….

                    1. Weren’t you trying to divert the discussion away from segregation in national schools and media racism from pro government media?

        1. Why M’sia is a Muslim nation? We have Islam as the official religion but we are not a Muslim nation. If M’sia is a Muslim nation, then what we called Brunei and Arab?

          1. Asus,

            There is no need to split hair.

            Malaysia is ruled by Muslim. In this world, it is recognised as Muslim nation.

            “…then what we called Brunei….’

            Brunei does not suffer the way Malaysia does. The sultan, in his wisdom, refuses citizenships to Chinese. I mean no disrespect to chinese.

            Maybe the sultan made up his mind after seeing what happen to Malaysia.

            1. Re: Malaysia is ruled by Muslim.

              Then what about the non-Muslim ministers?

              Re: Brunei does not suffer the way Malaysia does. The sultan, in his wisdom, refuses citizenships to Chinese. I mean no disrespect to chinese.

              So, one of the definition of a Muslim nation is ‘refuses citizenships to Chinese?’

              Let us not be too rigid on the label of ‘Muslim nation’. Look at the traits of a Malaysia. The reasons why I say Malaysia is not a Muslim nation:-

              1. Muslim population is not overwhelming like 90% or 95%;
              2. Hudud is not implemented;
              3. Legal system is from Common Law;
              4. Recognition to non-Muslims like voting, freedom, holidays;
              5. Widespread economic activities that is ‘haram’ like conventional banking, gambling, alcohol etc etc;
              5. Parliament democracy not absolute monarchy;
              6. Highest law is constitution not Quran.

              We may have Islam as the official religion, Agung/Sultan as the Head of Islam, Syariah Court, Muslim PM/MB etc etc.

              At most I would say Malaysia is a hybrid, with more elements of secularism rather than Islamic nation.

              That is why I asked “If M’sia is a Muslim nation, then what we call Brunei and Arab?”

              1. re: “Hudud is not implemented

                DAP appears to have retracted their objection to its implementation. The only objection nowadays comes from Karpal and when he does speak against hudud, his party disavows him and says it is only the chairman’s “personal opinion” and does not represent the stance of the DAP nor Pakatan’s “agree to disagree”.

                re: “Legal system is from Common Law”

                The Penang Mufti is reactivating enforcement of its version of Enactment 1988 (Selangor). The Guan Eng administration says nothing.

                re: “Widespread economic activities that is ‘haram’ like conventional banking, gambling, alcohol etc etc”

                DAP objected to gaming licence, See ‘Sports betting: Pakatan hypocrisy’
                by Norman Fernandez | 2:00PM Jun 3, 2010: “Not to be outdone and out-shined by PAS, DAP is planning to move a motion in Parliament to ban sports betting.”

                http://m.malaysiakini.com/letters/133515

                re: “Parliament democracy not absolute monarchy”

                We have the Chinese emperor in Penang.

                re: “Highest law is constitution not Quran”

                Highest law in Penang, according to Lim Guan Eng. is his pentadbiran khalifah Umar Abdul Aziz based on the Islamic understand of amar makruf nahi mungkar.

                Also read,

                https://helenang.wordpress.com/2012/12/09/absurd-for-dap-to-claim-that-it-supports-secularism/

                https://helenang.wordpress.com/2012/10/23/secularism-and-how-does-msia-compare-to-the-turkish-model/

                1. Helen,

                  I am putting forward my points here in the context of whether of not Malaysia is an Islamic nation by comparing with countries like Arab and Brunei.

                  Anyway, I will reply to you first while waiting for SA.

                  Re: Hudud is not implemented

                  I am talking on the national criminal system but you refer to Penang. So, let us talk Penang then. Is hudud already there? Not yet right? So, not an Islamic ‘Penang’ state for now.

                  Re: Legal system is from Common Law

                  Again, I am talking on the national legal system but you refer to Penang. So, let us talk Penang then. Isn’t the enactment itself is a civil piece of law? Assuming it is not, the remaining of the hundreds of maybe thousands of Penang Enactments are still civil.

                  Re: Widespread economic activities that is ‘haram’ like conventional banking, gambling, alcohol etc etc

                  Ban sports betting in Penang? The existing forms of legalised betting like Toto, Magnum, Da Ma Cai in Penang are still in operation. Same as conventional banking and alcohol consumption.

                  Re: Parliament democracy not absolute monarchy

                  You said: We have the Chinese emperor in Penang

                  That would make Penang like China. Not Islamic state.

                  Re: Highest law is constitution not Quran

                  You said: Highest law in Penang, according to Lim Guan Eng. is his pentadbiran khalifah Umar Abdul Aziz based on the Islamic understand of amar makruf nahi mungkar.

                  LGE merely ‘adopt’ the practise to seek political mileage. He didn’t codified them into Penang enactments.

                  1. re: “I am putting forward my points here in the context of whether of not Malaysia is an Islamic nation by comparing with countries like Arab and Brunei.”

                    Read the two links which I provided earlier. I’ve already discussed what is a secular state. You can benchmark the parameters to see whether Malaysia is secular or not.

                    (The answer is that Malaysia fails to meet the criteria for a secular state.)

                    If you want a more legal discussion, here’s a third link, https://helenang.wordpress.com/2012/11/30/secular-or-non-secular-how-art-harun-got-it-wrong-on-the-reid-commission/

                    re: “So, not an Islamic ‘Penang’ state for now.”

                    But a political party should clearly state its stand. Only Karpal’s “personal views” are against hudud. I take this to mean that DAP might be agreeable to hudud in future. A cross comparison: Guan Eng slagged Terengganu for wanting to buy Mercedes in 2008. Five years down the road, he himself did what he criticised T’ganu for.

                    I have no guarantee that DAP will keep Malaysia hudud non-compliant.

                    Re: Legal system is from Common Law

                    re: “Again, I am talking on the national legal system but you refer to Penang. So, let us talk Penang then. Isn’t the enactment itself is a civil piece of law? Assuming it is not, the remaining of the hundreds of maybe thousands of Penang Enactments are still civil.”

                    It will cause the same kind of trouble like in Selangor on whether the Islamic authorities can raid non-Muslim premises.

                    re: “The existing forms of legalised betting like Toto, Magnum, Da Ma Cai in Penang are still in operation. Same as conventional banking and alcohol consumption.”

                    Again, the political position adopted by the parties is important. Where PAS is in control, they gender segregate cinema seating. Thus PAS translates its Islamic ideology into municipal by-laws.

                    So if the political position adopted by the DAP, as I’ve pointed out, is anti-sports betting. We have no guarantee how DAP will translate its ostensibly anti-gambling “ideology” when it comes to licensing. In the example I gave (link already provided), the DAP was against giving Vincent Tan the gambling licence.

                    re: “You said: We have the Chinese emperor in Penang. / That would make Penang like China. Not Islamic state.”

                    Like the Xinjiang region, maybe?

                    re: “LGE merely ‘adopt’ the practise to seek political mileage.”

                    Dangerous iguana politician that. For political expediency, you dunno who they’re willing to throw to the wolves. LGE’s 2012 Christmas message was for political mileage. And look at how the fire that he lit has spread.

                  2. Asus,

                    Malaysia is neither a secular state nor a fully theocratic state. It lies in between. Hence, the confusion.

                    But for all countries on this planet, Malaysia is simply a Muslim nation. It is quite simple actually. The King is a Muslim. So does the Prime Minister. And the majority of its citizens is Muslims.

                    1. Malays are roughly 55 percent of the population. Then there are the Sabah and Sarawak pribumi, some of whom are Muslim and others Christian.

                      There are obviously some Malaysians who refuse to acknowledge that this is Muslim country.

                      Actually the easiest way to change Malaysia with only a stroke of the pen is if Singapore were to come in.

  5. ” Anyway I just wonder anyone ever being charged under this law in any states and successfully convicted and send to jail? ”

    Malaysian,
    why don’t u volanteer to be the first one. He…he..he…

    1. I think not only the Selangor Enactment 1988, even the Penang Enactment (not sure what is the year) both have never press charges on any offenders relating to the use of prohibited words.

      Why is that so?

      a) People in the respective states have been so obedient in complying with the Enactments?
      b) People are smart to breach the Enactments without alerting the attention of the Islamic enforcement officers?
      c) People have been breaching the Enactments but Islamic enforcement officers are closing one eye (eg. until recently only JAIS opened their eyes since 1988, that is 25 years).

  6. It is quite likely that many of the Sabah and Sarawak component parties will disagree with Umno on this issue.

  7. So many parties in in BN and yet…

    EBU

    What’s the use of blame if they don’t support?I suppose because UMNO holds a lot of seats and power, but still, I think that letting UMNO fall down by siding with their enemies on some national issue is detrimental to them as well. What do they think? Considering this has become more political, rather than some genuine concern for religious rights. They can choose to vote against, but the ones happiest would be Lims from DAP.

    I don’t think those Sabah and Sarawak parties look forward to DAP’s Sarawak or Sabah dream, or do they? I’m sure the Lim dynasty would have their own people there later, just like in Semenanjung states. Maybe the women in the family could be CM this time. How about DAP using their local bird as mascot? Are they proud of that?

    I hope they are.

    1. re: ” I’m sure the Lim dynasty would have their own people there later, just like in Semenanjung states”

      You’re right. The newly elected (yesterday) Johor DAP chairman and deputy chairman, respectively Liew Chin Tong and S. Ramakrishnan do not live in Johor. They live in the Klang Valley.

      Chin Tong was a Penang MP 2008-2013 and transferred to contest a Johor seat in GE13. Ramakrishnan contested Labis seat but narrowly lost. He was another parachute candidate. They are the Lim’s men.

      So what you say about the DAP Godfathers sending peninsula leaders to lord it over the Sabahans and Sarawakians is probable.

      1. Helen,

        Singapore joining Malaysia again will automatically make Malays as minority. But is not impossible. But there are several “hindrance’.

        The first is UMNO must be “:ditalkinkan”. Other Malay based party, PAS had already “ditalkinkan’. Nowadays talking to PAS is similar to talking to DAP.

        The only other “hindrance” is Raja raja Melayu. Bear in mind, Parliament alone is not sufficient to bring Singapore into Malaysia. It must have the consents of Raja Raja Melayu. and their decisions can not be challenged in court of law.

        But not to worry about that. Once UMNO is “gone” everything that resemble Malay institutions will be “gone with the wind”. The first to go is Raja Raja Melayu. Keeping them for the new government (led by DAP) will simply remind the world that is “Tanah Melayu’.

        1. re: “The first is UMNO must be ‘ditalkinkan’. Other Malay based party, PAS had already ‘ditalkinkan’. Nowadays talking to PAS is similar to talking to DAP.”

          Nowadays talking to Pemuda Umno is also similar to talking to DAP. When KJ opens his mouth, you hear Regina Lee and her Dapster BFFs’ voice.

          1. Helen,

            As much as I would want to disagree on your comment with regards to Khairi and Regina, I must say you are spot on.

            The enemy is within actually. Khairi, despite enjoying the luxury of life by virtue of marrying the daughter of then PM and reaps benefit of associating with UMNO , is actually really lacking in UMNO’s spirit.

            I never tire in saying UMNO is courting disaster with Khairi as Ketua Pemuda and a Minister..

            1. Can you suggest any way to remedy the situation?

              KJ is media savvy and the Dapsters are now cheering him on. However his popularity in and with the media is his alone. It does not translate into support for Umno.

              In other words, KJ is utilizing government funds and resources to propel his own personality cult.

              1. Helen,

                There is no easy way out actually.

                The fact that khairi can still win Ketua Pemuda post despite massive change in UMNO’s voting system shows that the value in UMNO is changing too. Unfortunately, sometimes changes are for the worse.

                UMNO is still plagued with disease that you referred as “tak apa’. It is very irritating. But more importantly, it tests Malays patience to the limit.

                REMEDY

                As long as UMNO tolerates politician like Khairi, than UMNO must be prepared for another divisive saga that matches that of Anwar Ibrahim.

                Why not try this method:

                1) UMNO members must be ordinary members for at least 10 years before trying to contest for Pemuda UMNO leadership. So “free passage” by virtue of father in law or what must stop.

                2) No one should be a full Minister without becoming a Deputy Minister first.

                3) Political or press secretary of UMNO minister must be from the rank and file of UMNO itself. Use this as a platform to identify personality of UMNO members who are “:beriman and bertakwa’. May i suggest Razlan, Ketua pemuda seputeh who as far as I know him personally is a good and dynamic young man.

                UMNO must not underestimate the “iman and takwa” factor. Had not for “iman dan takwa”, UMNO I firmly believe would have lost PRU13.

                BUT MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL,

                Najib must stop defending or worse still “bagi muka” to those who literally want UMNO dead. “pemandu”, overpaid consultants, problems in AG’s office , Regina, KHAIRI , are sure ways to put an end of UMNO.

                  1. helen,

                    I notice that cases involving “pembankang” are forever slow. Where is the delay actually. Police investigation or AG’s office?

                    One thing for sure, Ghani Patail can be super efficient. He responded swiftly on remarks made by Khir toyo. Only if his office is efficient too when it comes slandering by Nizar as an example.

                    1. Re: I notice that cases involving “pembankang” are forever slow. Where is the delay actually. Police investigation or AG’s office?

                      Slow? What about no action at all on certain cases? The worst are cases with defective charges that resulted in the ‘accused’ being acquitted without defense being called.

  8. Syukurlah umno tidak dipilih Allah swt utk memerintah sebelum kedatangan al Mahadi. Tentu sukar utk umno membuat keputusan menyerahkan kerajaan pada pemerintahan al Mahadi (khalifah) ketika tu. Anggaplah semuanya satu kebaikkan dari Allah swt.

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