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YDP Agong sudah bertitah, evangelista berani derhaka?

“Yang di-Pertuan Agong, Tuanku Abdul Halim Mu’adzam Shah hari ini bertitah bahawa kalimah Allah merupakan hak eksklusif umat Islam dan dilarang penggunaannya oleh penganut agama lain.” — laporan Utusan

“The Yang di-Pertuan Agong (the King) is the head of state of Malaysia. He takes precedence over all persons in Malaysia, immediately after him comes his consort (the Raja Permaisuri Agong) and after them come the Rulers and the Governors.” — Tun Mohamed Suffian

BAWAH: Ong Kian Ming ialah Ahli Parlimen evangelista DAP

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YDP Agong juga ketua agama Islam di Wilayah Persekutuan, Melaka, Pulau Pinang, Sabah dan Sarawak.

Mengikut Perlembagaan Persekutuan, salah satu peranan YDP Agong yang digariskan dalam angkat sumpah jawatannya adalah untuk “at all times protect the Muslim religion and uphold the rules of law and order in the country”.

Penganut agama lain dilarang menggunakan ‘Allah’, titah YDP Agong.

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41 thoughts on “YDP Agong sudah bertitah, evangelista berani derhaka?

  1. Actual in my opinion, we do not need Agong to bertitah. What we need is action by KDN to stop all the agent of provocateurs. In fact Agong should not bertitah unless he can be assured of the backing from KDN, otherwise he will be made too look insignificant in the eyes of the people.

    Take Selangor for example, when the Sultan bertitah, the priest openly ignore his titah. In fact he openly challenge the titah by proclaiming that the churches will continue to use the word Allah. No action is taken against him and the Sultan is seen as so insignificant. If this kind of thing continues, we will see the diminishing power of the Sultan as his titah no longer taken seriously by the people.

    1. Marquis,

      You have a point vis a vis the Selangor sultan.

      But he doesn’t control the Armed Forces, the YDP Agong does :-)

      I think PR will spin and question who wrote the speech; going against the YDP Agong directly will cost them, and they know that.

      Let’s see if the great Karpal et al will dare talk about legalities.

      1. re: “Let’s see if the great Karpal et al will dare talk about legalities.”

        Andul Aziz Bari has.

        1. ‘The National Fatwa Council has no legal standing as matters concerning Islam is a state affair, says constitutional expert Abdul Aziz’

          10-point solution ‘impotent’ in most states-Syahredzan Johan

          I agree with them both, but will Andrew Khoo and the rest ever listen?

          Bible raid – federal gov’t must not bow to state-Andrew Khoo

        2. Only The Almighty is infallible.

          The rest of us? Dare we make the same claim?

          In the Bible, it is written “I will make you a light to the nations, that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.” (Isaiah 49:6)

          Indeed, evangelisation, in the Christian context, means “taking the light of Christ to the far reaches of the human spirit: to the lonely, the desperate, the rejected, the hopeless as well as the materially poor.” This is what Pope Francis has been saying recently.

          So, Helen, when you are scornful about “evangelistas”, spare a thought that they may be motivated by a deep and abiding faith in Christ and His message.

          And is that a bad thing to be dismissed as a threat and being disrespectful?

          And, in a historical context, Christianity did face down the power and might of the Roman Empire and subsequent persecutions.

          Those are documented facts, not figments of imagination.

      2. Bila Agong bertitah, Tentera sentiasa bersiap sedia. Sumpah dan Taat Setia Tentera hanya kpd YDP AGONG

    1. re: “the babi eating crowds”

      Chinese are not necessarily evangelistas

      The priests in the eye of the storm are Father Lawrence Andrew and Archbishop Emeritus Murphy Pakiam. The three DAP Aduns who wanted to table the bill in the Selangor DUN are Rajiv Rishyakaran (Hannah Yeoh’s former PA), Yeo Bee Yin (Tony Pua’s PA) and Lau Weng San.

      What they have in common is not that they’re Chinese but they are evangelistas.

          1. hahahaha…. sinis sungguh jawapan helen.

            lagi kesian pada pembaca blog helen ni yang walaupun sudah banyak di’feed’ masih ada yang tak faham-faham….

            1. sebenarnya bukan semua cina makan babi..
            2. sebenarnya bukan semua cina itu kristian
            3. sebenarnya bukan semua cina itu evangelis…

            tapi apa boleh buat… dakyah the dapsters dan kerenah evangelis telah membuat onar sehingga begitu ramai sudah ‘terlekat’ dalam jiwa mereka seolah semua cina itu ‘makan babi’, dan semua cina itu ‘jahat’….

            sama aje jiwa pembangkang yang semua kesalahan itu puncanya UMNO…. atau Melayu… walhal

            1. sebenarnya bukan semua melayu itu bodoh
            2. sebenarnya bukan semua melayu itu islam
            3. sebenarnya bukan semua melayu itu ‘taliban’…

            begitulah kita ni, kadang-kadang usia aje sudah tua, tapi tak matang-matang jugak….!

          2. Helen, bukan semua Cinas makan babi. One of my Chinese friends cannot stand the slurping and eating its own shit babi and refuse to eat babi. Juga bukan semua Cina anti Melayu dan bukan semua Melayu anti Cina. We only cannot stand the DAPork and their porky cronies, itu saja.

              1. Helen.

                This is a costly hobby and pet. Those celebrities have someone (kind of a governess) to care for the pet 24-7, but leaving it on its own, it will still resort to its natural habit.

                1. Dunno lah but my point is Treat Animals Better.

                  Humans feed them bad food or not enough food then we blame the domesticated livestock for their dirty habits.

                  Doubtless those celebrities lavish more care on their pigs than some people do their children but their ‘achievement’ (clean pigs) shows the potential that pigs possess. Moral of the story: The cleanliness of the pig depends on its upbringing.

                  1. Re. Dunno lah but my point is Treat Animals Better.

                    Totally agree. I don’t hate pigs for your info, I think they are cute. It is just that Islam prohibit us Muslims to consume or touch them. That’s all to it, but nothing in Islam states that one has to go bashing the animal.

                    ————————————————————————————

                    Asal Usul Babi, Tikus dan Kucing

                    Kucing dan tikus merupakan dua ekor binatang yang saling berkaitan. Dalam erti kata lain, tikus lawannya kucing. Sejarah kejadian kucing dan tikus ini merupakan kekuasaan Allah Azzawajalla yang perlu diambil iktibar.

                    Kita selalu memuji kucing dengan rupa bentuk yang comel serta kecantikan yang dijadikan Allah Azzawajalla terhadap kucing tanpa kita sedar bahawa setiap kejadian Tuhan itu ada hikmah dan pengajaran yang amat besar.

                    KEJADIAN KUCING DAN TIKUS

                    Riwayat mengatakan bahawa ketika Allah Azzawajalla hendak menurunkan azab kepada kaum Nabi Nuh a.s. yang ingkar, maka Allah Azzawajalla memerintahkan agar Nabi Nuh a.s membina kapal besar bagi mengangkut pengikut-pengikutnya serta menyelamatkan haiwan-haiwan sebelum azab diturunkan. Maka Allah Azzawajalla memerintahkan agar dibawa setiap haiwan itu berpasang-pasangan. Iblis laknatullah turut menyertai Nabi Nuh a.s bagi menyelamatkan dirinya.

                    Maka setelah azab diturunkan, banjir besar berlaku, maka berlayarlah kapal Nabi Nuh a.s mengelilingi dunia. Maka sepanjang pelayaran itu, terjadilah beberapa permasalahan dan keajaiban.

                    MASALAH 1:

                    Nabi Nuh a.s gusar kerana najis haiwan dan manusia memenuhi kapal sehingga menyebabkan timbul rasa yang kurang senang kepada pengikut-pengikutnya. Maka Nabi Nuh a.s berdoa dan memohon kepada Allah Azzawajalla.

                    “Wahai Tuhanku, kapalku telah penuh dengan najis, maka berilah petunjuk agar dapat aku menyelesaikan masalah ini”

                    Maka Allah Azzawajalla berfirman:
                    “Wahai Nuh, belailah gajah itu, nescaya keluar darinya haiwan yang akan membersihkan najis-najis ini”

                    Maka setelah dibelai, keluarlah babi-babi dari gajah berpusu-pusu dan segera membersihkan semua najis-najis sehingga bersih tanpa tersisa sedikitpun.

                    Kejadian Tikus

                    Si Iblis pula cemburu dengan mukjizat Nabi Nuh a.s maka dia pun turut mencuba membelai gajah. Dengan takdir Allah Azzawajallah keluar darinya tikus yang banyak lalu merosakkan kapal Nabi Nuh a.s.

                    Tikus

                    MASALAH 2

                    Tikus yang banyak itu pun merosakkan kapal sehingga dikhuatiri akan tenggelam kapal Nabi Nuh a.s. Nabi Nuh a.s berdoa dan meminta kepada Allah Azzawajalla bagi menyelesaikan masalah ini:
                    “Wahai Allah, kapalku telah dirosakkan oleh tikus, aku takut seandainya karam kapalku, maka berilah petunjuk kepada ku agar dapat aku selesaikan masalah ini”

                    Kejadian Kucing

                    Maka Allah Azzawajalla berfirman:
                    “Wahai Nuh, belailah harimau itu, maka akan keluar darinya haiwan yang akan memusnahkan tikus-tikus itu”

                    Kucing

                    Maka setelah dibelai oleh Nabi Nuh a.s maka keluarlah dari harimau itu kucing-kucing dan memakan tikus-tikustersebut sehingga licin dan tidak tersisa sedikitpun.

                    Wallahua’alam

                    Credit: http://kumbangjingga.blogspot.com/2012/06/asal-usul-khinzir-tikus-dan-kucing.html

        1. you should try to control yourself from being too uncouth.. this is also a reminder to me too.

    2. But reading it, they’re very careful with the words, aren’t they?

      I think the #vernacubengs know their skating on a very thin ice.

    3. I have to correct this. Actually among the Christians, the Catholics are those who eat less babi. In fact, if they are good Catholics, you can be quite sure they will not eat babi. One of the catholic I know would not even eat the food that has been offered for prayer to the altar.

      1. Two of my Cinas kawan does not eat babi.

        One is a strict vegetarian of twenty years. Another is a Muslim revert. Both are from Penang.

        But my Sandakan Cina lady kawan and a Rosario’s loves to frequent Peel Street on fridays for some mee goreng babi. Sometimes I tagged along for the satays. Both pray to Jesus btw.

  2. I believe the Sultans and Agong have been waiting to gauge the sentiments of the Malays towards the issue, with many polls indicate that a majority of Malays support the courts of appeal decision, the Agong and the council of kings have made their move and claim Allah as the name of the official and only proper noun of deity of Islam in Malaysia,that will consolidate and finalise the Malay opinion regarding this issue which is… Hands off Allah you extremist Semenanjung Christians!!

    UMNO and Malay pragmatism will continue to allow the minority Sabah and Sarawak Christians who does use the Arabic term to continue doing so albeit with more supervision, but they can thank that Puckyam and Lawrence buffoons.

    IMO, the extremist Christan to capitalize this issue to mobilize the non Muslims and split the Malays has FAILED. I am sure that the Pakatan leaders, the Malay leaders at least will attempt to kill this Monster of an issue as their political ammunition as they know it will alienate their Malay support base who are increasingly seeing Pakatan as on the side of the extremist Christians.

    PAS elegant silence will continue to be their mark of disapproval of DAP and PKR mishandling of the issue, still no sign of the issue in Harakah, which means PAS Ulama refuse to criticize and disagree with courts of appeal decision nor agree with with the rubbish arguments from the extremist christian camps, but I notice that neutral Sinar Harian is increasingly pro Allah for Muslims and this is a paper read by Malays of both divide.

    No worries to the extremist christians, they can continue to express their freedom to write like idiots online by cursing the Muslim Malays with racial and religious stereotype jargons in Mkini, Kinisider and New Mandala and predict bankruptcy upon Malaysia like they always do and at the same time enjoy cheap kangkung.

  3. Those Evengelistas dont care one. They will keep on playing with the fire.. and one day the fire will burn them together with their City Harvest Subang Jaya. Wait and see if they have guts to do so. And they will try to do so since that the PM and Menteri KDN both are idiots and VERY WEAK.

  4. “Titah Seri Paduka itu dibacakan Pengerusi Jemaah Pemangku Sultan Kedah, Tan Sri Tunku Annuar Sultan Badlishah di majlis istiadat menyembah tahniah dan pengurniaan darjah serta bintang kebesaran sempena Hari Keputeraan Tuanku Sultan Kedah di
    Istana Anak Bukit di sini hari ini. – UTUSAN ONLINE”

    i believe the ‘titah’ is from the sultan of kedah. why? 1. sempena hari keputeraan sultan kedah, 2. di istana anak bukit & 3. dibaca oleh pemangku sultan kedah. i could be wrong nevertheless.

      1. it does not matter who wrote the speech. am merely looking at the ‘YDP Agong sudah bertitah, evangelista berani derhaka?’ title. the sultan of selangor also did say the same thing and we all know what ‘their’ response and reaction (retaliation) were. can this (titah dari sultan kedah atau ydp agong) be established?

  5. Ong Kian Ming should tell his children to pray to Allah. He should also let this Children follow him on twitter. When his children ask him who his god is, his reply should be Allah.

    1. Ong Kian Ming is on record for having stated his exegetical views:

      “Secondly, the proposal to replace the word “Allah” with “Tuhan” ignores the fact that “Tuhan” (or rather TUHAN) is already being used in the Bahasa Malaysia Bible. Without going into literary semantics, we would merely state that YHWH (or Yahweh) in the Old Testament is translated into TUHAN whereas the generic name of God -El or Elohim – is translated into Allah.

      In the various English translations, YHWH is translated as LORD (in capital letters) whereas El or Elohim is translated as God. In response to this someone may again make the friendly suggestion that YHWH be translated into TUHAN while El or Elohim be translated into Tuhan (no capital letters) rather than Allah.

      Other than contradicting point one above this suggestion ignores the more than 300 times where YHWH is paired with El or Elohim (or LORD with God). If Allah is to be replaced with Tuhan, we would find “Tuhan” appearing twice in the same verse.”

      COMMENT:

      But his literary semantics is exactly what Mr.Ong should acquaint us all with in the case at hand. It seems strange for those who bear witness that “tiada tuhan melainkan Allah, dan Muhammad itu Pesuruh Allah” to see Mr. Ong translating YHWH, El, Elohim in the manner he has set forth.

      In the Malay language, “Tuhan” is the generic name for Deity (Ong’s “God”) whereas “Allah” is understood as the specific or proper name for the One True God on High (probably the unutterable YHWH? since Mosaic Jews believe that essentially His Name cannot be pronounced).

      In wanting to establish “Elohim” (Ong’s God or Deity) as “Allah” Mr. Ong presumes that “Allah” is a generic name for the generic “Deity”. And to complicate matters he consents to YHWH being translated as TUHAN in his Malay Bible, thus committing the error of confuting the specific (YHWH) with the generic (Tuhan).

      That Mr. Ong wishes to impute an epistemological difference between “TUHAN” and Tuhan” is demonstrative proof that he more than anyone else needs to improve on his literary semantics, because philosophical rigour is not evidenced by upper-case and lower-case denotations, especially in such a grave matter as that which the One True God on High has revealed to be the Name which denotes His Essential Being :-ALLAH.

      This brings up the problem of correct translation and its proper aims. Transferring “meaning” from one language to another presupposes that the would-be translator has a sufficient grasp of the textual and contextual worlds of the original and target languages.

      It appears that Mr. Ong neither has sufficient grasp of the authentic Christian scriptures nor of the Islamic primary texts for him to enlighten us on his reductionism of the One True God on High Lord Creator to a vague grammatical delineation as “capital-small” alphabet inscriptions could ever offer.

  6. We need to investigate n find out who are those involved to instigate this religious saga that may turn sour and create another May 13 riots, as religious issues are very sensitive that will further polarise the harmony between our people based on religious belief n arguments.

    It saddens me as a Muslims and had been living side by side with our Christian, Hindus, Buddhists breathers for more than 60 years, without any major problems n the great respect we adhered to each others belief, that now due to some religious extremists from both sides of the political divide, we try to stir up troubles due to the greed of power.

    This is a dangerous precedent and should be settled spontaneously in good faith as equal human beings created by the one God, though we may pray differently in various forms and directions. It is not the question of intervention from the YDP Agong, the State Sultans, the Governors, the Heads of government, both BN n PR. This religious saga was started by the Protestant group instigated by Father Lawrence Andrew on his own principle that the word “Allah” should be allowed to be used in any forms of preachings, as guaranteed by the Federal Constitution,vis-a-vis the position of Islam and the other religions.

    Having said that, Father Andrew is just protecting their rights of practice. If this argument is openly accepted and tolerated in Sabah and Sarawak, where the word “Allah” is being used for the last few hundred years, why can’t they claimed the same rights in Peninsula Malaysia? This issue should have been tabled in Parliament or before the two States joined the Peninsula n merged as Malaysia in 1963. Why now the Federal government decided otherwise with such a dangerous perception that will anger both the Muslims and the Christians? It does not matter if only the minority Protestants are claiming their rights, not the Catholics, the Anglicans or the Jehovah’s Witnesses (JW).

    I am of the opinion, that it warrants a serious debate to be tabled in the coming parliament sitting in March, in order to resolve the sensitive issue and if need be to revisit the Federal Constitution and make the necessary amendments to the relevant part of the Constitution. It is a mockery that with so many Sabahans and Sarawakians who are majority Christians, will be praying to Allah in reciting the books of God and will live in complete nightmare amidst the Muslims in this country. Do we see or hear of any protests or demonstrations from Sabahans and Sarawakians against the Muslims or vice-versa for the use of the word “Allah”? Certainly never heard of such protests and it’s only now that the issue is being tested and challenged on unsafe ground in West Malaysia.

    We should look into the bigger picture if this issue is allowed to continue and develop into a “hot potato” and explode into something more serious that may destroy the unity and co-existence of the various races in this country. The issue will also divide family members,who are married between the Christians and Muslims. Does our irresponsible BN n PR want this state of affairs to happen and divide us as 1Malaysian nation? We fear another May 13th incident!!!!!. Mr. Prime Minister, Mr. KDN Minister, KM Penang, KM Sabah, KM Sarawak and MB Selangor….please wake up and tackle the issue head on because the rakyat is very concerned and not playing politics in order to retain or grab power!!!!

    1. Saya rasa hal yang berkaitan dengan agama adalah di bawah bidang kuasa kerajaan negeri. Jika di Sabah dan Sarawak penggunaan Allah telah digunakan sebelum mereka bergabong dalam Malaysia dan dia tidak menjadi masaalah kepada mereka, maka ianya diteruskan.

      Tetapi di negeri-negeri di semenanjung ianya telah diputuskan bahawa kalimah Allah hanya khusus untuk kegunaan orang-orang Islam, maka pihak lain tidak harus mempertikaikannya, kerana selama ini kalimah Allah ini tidak pernah pun digunapakai oleh penganut agama kristian disemenanjung. Oleh itu mereka tidak harus mempertikai apa yang telah sedia ujud.

      Bagi orang-orang kristian sabah dan sarawak yang tinggal di semenanjung dan menggunakan bible yang mengandungi kalimah Allah untuk kegunaan peribadi dan hanya digunakan di rumah mungkin tidak menimbul masaalah. Tetapi jika digunakan di dalam sembahyang di gereja, maka ia menjadi masaalah kerana melanggar enakmen undang-undang agama Islam di negeri-negeri. Ini termasuk di Pulau Pinang dan di Wilayah Persekutuan.

  7. Puak-puak evangelist paham ke erti derhaka ,mungkin kalau merka paham dan menghormati agama masing-masing ,issue kalimah Allah ini tidak akan timbul.

    Percyalah pekara ini tidak akan reda bagitu sahaja .

  8. Funny though. Most Chinese evanglista cakap melayu pun tak betul nak guna pakai ‘ALLAH’. Paling malu mengaku Rakyat Malaysia nak bebahasa Malaysia pun tak lancar. Bukan depa saja, sama le jugak yang lain lain nya. DAP/MCA/MIC/PKR pun sama. Kalau faham bahasa Melayu depa akan guna pakai ‘TUHAN’.

    1. Well if you ask any youngsters on the street these days I bet they don’t even know the King’s name, especially those who can’t speak Bahasa.

      That’s how detached they are.

  9. Jeng Jeng Jeng…

    “Titah dan fatwa tidak boleh digunakan kepada bukan Islam kerana ia melanggar hak perundangan dan beragama mereka,” kata peguam Edmund Bon (gambar) kepada The Malaysian Insider, memetik kes pada 2009.’

    “Titah Agong merupakan nasihat. Bagaimanapun, ia tidak membantu kerana apa yang diperlukan untuk menyelesaikan isu ‘Allah’ adalah perundingan di antara pihak berkepentingan,” kata Paulsen’

    YDP Agong tidak berkepentingan dalam isu Allah? Hmmm…

    http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/bahasa/article/bukan-islam-tidak-perlu-patuh-kepada-titah-diraja-atau-fatwa-kata-peguam

  10. “The Yang di-Pertuan Agong (the King) is the head of state of Malaysia. He takes precedence over all persons in Malaysia, immediately after him comes his consort (the Raja Permaisuri Agong) and after them come the Rulers and the Governors.”

    The problems is that the Evangelistas believe they do not report to the Sultan, Agong etc. They believe they report straight to their God. That is why they are so daring to override.

    1. All this while they live and breathe by believing that the Yang di-Pertuan Agong and Sultans are there as figure head, and only exists for ceremonial purposes only. That ‘s why “Edmund Goh dalam kenyataannya di salah satu portal pro pembangkang berkata Malaysia merupakan sebuah negara sekular dan bukan Islam. Oleh itu, negara ini tidak perlu mematuhi mana-mana titah dikeluarkan pemerintah negeri atau fatwa dikeluarkan Majlis Fatwa Kebangsaan”. This is tantamount to “menyanggah titah DYMM YDA”.

      In reality they are yet to see the DYMM YDA and the Sultans extend their “claw”. Johorean will understand what does this mean.

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