Some bodoh sombong Umno politicians think poor Indian voters are nobodies who can be bullied.
They (both the bodoh sombong Umno politicians and the Indian voters) may cause the BN to lose Putrajaya come GE14.
If you go to this website http://www.undi.info, you can play a little game of Voter Swing simulation based on GE13 data.
I tested a permutation whereby there is a small 10 percent Indian vote swing to Pakatan with no changes in either Chinese or Malay votes. The predicted result from this 10 percent Indian shift is that Pakatan will be able to snatch 5 Parliament seats away from the BN — see screenshot below.
The seats are:
- Cameron Highlands
- Kuala Selangor
- Pasir Gudang
All of the 5 Parliament seats likely to change hands, on account of the simulated Indian 10 percent swing, had been won by BN with slim majorities — Pasir Gudang (Umno, 935 votes), Cameron Highlands (MIC, 462 votes), Kuala Selangor (Umno, 460 votes), Bentong (MCA, 379 votes) and Labis (MCA, 353 votes).
With such thin margins of victory, it is easy to see how a slight movement within the Indian electorate will cost BN these five federal constituencies.
How the Indian voters are spread
The table above lists 10 Parliament seats with more than 20 percent Indian voters and another five with between 17 and 20 percent Indian voters.
In Padang Serai, Batu Kawan, Bagan Datok, Ipoh Barat, Sungai Siput, Kota Raja, Kuala Selangor, Lembah Pantai, Teluk Kemang and Rasah, more than 20 percent of the electorate is Indian or in other words, one out of every five voters.
So imagine if in any of those constituencies, two Malays voted Umno-BN // one Malay and one Chinese each voted Pakatan (i.e. both coalitions tied 2-2), then it is the remaining Indian who will get to cast the deciding vote.
The DAP seats among the 10 above were won with massive majorities, so they are quite safe. The PKR and Umno seats however are vulnerable to the whims of the Indian voters.
P121: Lembah Pantai
(20 percent Indian voters)
Nurul Izzah retained Lembah Pantai with a majority of 1,847 votes. She managed to pip Raja Nong Chik to the finish line albeit her delusional supporters were hallucinating hysterically that they saw Bangladeshi “phantoms”.
Nurul also played dirty by hurling accusations at her opponent during the election campaign, and Raja Nong Chik is taking her to court for it. Good, the defamation suit ought to teach her a lesson.
With Indians comprising one out of every five Lembah Pantai voters, it is possible for Umno to take back the seat in the next election with just a slight increase in Indian support.
A mere 10 percent swing of Indian votes and maximizing Chinese votes can hand Lembah Pantai back to BN … unless a certain young, arrogant, upstart Umno Minister wrong foots and shoots his own party in the foot.
P96: Kuala Selangor
(22 percent Indian voters)
Umno’s Irmohizam Ibrahim clinched Kuala Selangor on a majority of 460 votes and only just narrowly edging out a prominent national figure — Dr Dzulkefly Ahmad of PAS. This is an unsafe seat from which Umno can be easily ousted.
P132: Teluk Kemang
(21.4 percent Indian voters)
PKR won Teluk Kemang, Negeri Sembilan in GE13 by a majority of 1,579 votes.
Teluk Kemang was however a BN ward earlier in 1999 where the MIC’s Anpalagan strolled home comfortably on a 9,942 majority. S. Sothinathan continued the MIC winning streak in 2004 winning a whopping 17,777-vote majority.
However the 2008 Hindraf tidal wave sweeping through the peninsular west coast caused Sothinathan to stumble. The MIC vice president failed to defend his seat after securing 20,544 votes to his PKR Malay opponent’s 23,348 votes.
All of the examples above show that the Indian votes can be pivotal in certain seats. Other seats with a significant number of Indian voters are Teluk Intan, Kuala Langat, Hulu Selangor, Klang and Merbok.
P94: Hulu Selangor
(17.6 percent Indian voters)
Hulu Selangor is interesting in that it was won in 1999 and in 2004 both times by current MIC president G. Palanivel. In 2008, MIC lost Hulu Selangor to PKR on a wafer thin 198-vote majority following the Makkal Sakti or People Power phenomenon that benefited the opposition.
The Hulu Selangor seat was regained in 2013 by P. Kamalanathan with a 3,414-vote majority. The results indicate that the pendulum can swing either way and its direction determined by a small percentage of Indians.
Below: Red is Pakatan state capital, blue is BN
BN has lost the popular vote
What the BN mustn’t forget is that the coalition is no longer ruling with a mandate provided it by a majority of the voters. BN has lost the popular vote and rejected by voters in all the state capitals with the exception of Kangar and Johor Bahru (see table above).
Dah Ikhwan had estimated that Indian support for BN during the 12th general election (2008) had dwindled to only 10 percent — a ratio identical to the 2013 Chinese tsunami situation where there was an almost total rejection of the BN by the community.
Indian support for BN was clawed from its low of 10 percent in 2008 to rise back up to 43.2 percent on average nationwide. Individually, the Indian support is 21.5% in Penang, 24.4% in Selangor, 31.0% in Negeri Sembilan and Malacca, 54.9% in Kedah, 59.1% in Johor and 68.5% in Perak in 2013 (source: Dah Ikhwan’s blog)
Second simulation: 15 percent vote swing by the Indians
The Indian vote is nonetheless unstable and a chunk of it (Hindu, Tamil speakers) could still wind its way ‘back’ to Pakatan. The Indian middle-class who are Christian, professionals and English-speaking have abandoned the BN already.
Whether the Hindu Indians do the same depends on how off-putting is the behaviour of the BN leadership and its supporters presently being displayed — like in the public heckling of Hindraf’s P. Waytha Moorthy we are witnessing.
See screenshot above — If there is a 15 percent Indian voter swing to Pakatan, the BN will lose 11 more Parliament seats.
Do the math. Millions of young and first-time voters, and three-quarters of the peninsular population living in urban areas by 2020 (election must be held by mid-2018 latest) are trends that favour Pakatan.
So, according to the simulation, if 15 percent of the Indian votes are swung, additionally another six seats — Bagan Serai, Bagan Datok, Hulu Selangor, Setiawangsa, Titiwangsa and Tebrau — on top of Cameron Highlands, Bentong, Kuala Selangor, Labis and Pasir Gudang will also slip from the BN’s grasp.
If Setiawangsa and Titiwangsa change hands, then it can really be said the Federal Territories is now ruled by the DAP Chinese and their strategic allies.
The cow is an animal sacred to the Hindus … tak sakit hati ke tengok?
Let me repeat
BN does not possess the popular support of the majority of the rakyat anymore.
It is in power only because of the Felda settlers and the advantageous rural weightage embedded in our electoral system.
And every day the BN is bleeding more support, so much so that even Umno VVIPs are getting worried the coming election will really and truly show BN out the Putrajaya door.
Pause and reflect for a moment: Why did 51 percent of the voters roundly reject BN and another 2 percent choose third party or independent candidates instead?
Please allow me to answer: Because the BN’s bullying behaviour can be so ugly sometimes.
Gara-gara Khairy punya perangai, BN tumbang nanti
If you look back at the history of the five decades post-Merdeka, you will realise that Indian loyalty to the BN has been unwavering. So what happened to suddenly turn this Indian support upside down and inside out in 2008?
Can figure it out? Or can’t?
Never mind. Go ahead, lah and bully the poor Indians some more.
There is a very real possibility that the BN share of the Indian vote bank may once again, like in GE12, shrink to 10 percent by the time our next election takes place. BN’s share of the Chinese vote bank will ultimately diminish to 3% or 2% or who knows, even a token one percent.
Thereafter Umno will surely suffer the Obama Effect. Remember that even though incumbent President Obama’s Republican challenger collected 6 out of 10 white votes, nonetheless Mitt Romney did NOT get the White House. Learn this lesson in electoral mathematics, okay.
Harap-harap Melayu jangan mudah lupa. Angkara Khairy dan kerenah bebudak Tingkat Empatnya, BN telah kehilangan majoriti dua pertiga dalam PRU12.
Be prepared to lose Putrajaya if this belligerent BN image is kept up.
After all, BN has lost the war of perception pun dah.
348 thoughts on “A mere 10% Indian vote swing will lose BN five seats”
Macam lebih baik Melayu jadi minoriti supaya mereka kelihatan lebih ada power !
Bergantunglah, minoriti yang mana kita sebut ni. Kalau minoriti Kristian yang 9 peratus itu, walaupun kecil tapi memang kuat pengaruh mereka.
Kalau minoriti India yang diwakili oleh Hindraf bukan setakat tidak berkuasa malah tidak bersuara.
Hindraf if is the voice of the voiceless. They are representing among the poorest segment of Malaysian community.
Bottomline: BN signed an MoU with Hindraf. Tengku Adnan’s signature is on the document. So BN should deliver on its promise made in the full glare of the media and camera lights. Simple as that.
I’ve said this before. What they ask for is not unreasonable. As one example, 7.5 percent of the places (seats) in technical and vocational training institutes. Indians are 7.3 percent of the population.
The duration of the Hindraf Blueprint is 5 years. Already 10 months have passed and nothing given. Is giving Indian youths a leg up in life through equipping them with technical and vocational skills something bad?
Other main areas of the Blueprint. To resettle the displaced estate workers who have become urban squatters after they have lost their jobs tapping rubber following the fragmentation of the states and the downsizing of the rubber industry. Is doing this for the Indians dosa atau pahala?
gomen mana boleh faham ni semua, buat berbuih je mulut you helen, pm najib lebih suka dengar cerita kankung, ni semua mana masuk akal to them, malaysians ada >30 million people to choose from, time to change the gomen, start again on the right footing
Yup, time to change the gomen in Selangor.
Najib is a better and more empathetic listener than Anwar.
Looking at the Pakatan line-up, who you wanna choose? We’ve seen the ‘best’ they can offer — Iguana Eng in Penang, and their shooting stars Rafizi, Ong Kian Ming and not to forget Malayisia’s first and youngest woman speaker.
I ask myself, what would our country have become if DAP had successfully taken power in Selangor in 1969?
You should seriously think about this question.
We’re not looking at which is the better party (coalition). Our GE14 choice boils down to which party is less damaging and less harmful to us.
For the moment, I still think Pakatan is more disastrous to poor people than BN. I hope I’m not wrong in my judgment.
Definetly not anwar lah, he is bozo wanabe.
Are you implying changing the Selangor govt by using the unconstitutional Perak move, or worst, by using RELIGION like what is being portrayed now by BN. Not good for your KARMA la
Are you implying changing the federal govt by using street demos like Arab Spring or Bangkok, or worse, by using RELIGION like what is being portrayed now by Pakatan over the ‘Allah’ word and the militancy of the evangelist churches. Not good for your path to heaven la
You are wickedly witty…ROTFL
Helen, these people believe in Heaven meh?
If the oppo dominated alternative and social media spin this effectively, this will give people the perception that the BN is a much bigger liar than PR.
Yup. People will just tread the partisan lines.
The oppo supporters may dislike Waytha’s face and hate his guts but they will nonetheless capitalize on this b’cos it gives them the opening to bash Najib.
That’s why the approach taken by KJ and Hisham to badmouth Waytha will only backfire on Umno b’cos these two nitwits do not have the credibility to speak. And for whatever criticisms they make, their own track records can be thrown back at them, for example,
Only very recently, KJ was proposing (see here) the consultants do a lab on the rising cost of living. We don’t need consultants to run a lab to tell us that prices are going up.
Khairy and Hisham are coming across looking like bullies ganging up on Waytha. It’s politicians like the two of them who are giving Umno a bad name, and Hisham is a disgrace to his grandfather’s legacy.
The truth hurts. As much as Hindraf wants the betterment of indian society, it too must remember that changes take time. and in multi racial society, no PM can deliver to the satisfaction of all.
Indian votes are crucial. no doubt. In fact support from every race is crucial to any coalition that wants to occupy Putrajaya.
It is tough doing the balancing act. Appointing Hindraf man as a Deputy minister already upset the Malay community. Bottom line is that Najib cant simply please all races all times.
Many non Malays fail to understand why UMNO behaves like this. Humiliated by almost total rejection of chinese in last election, UMNO “baru tersedar” that at the most defining moment of its existence, it was backed by Malays.
So now UMNO naturally adopts attitude of “apa susah hati sangat. tanpa orang cina pun(atau bukan Melayu) pun UMNO masih boleh buat kerajaan”.
Short of saying it out loud, UMNO (and Malays) already give up hoping non Malays(especially Chinese) will support BN in next election.
There is a strong movement now insisting that UMNO itself contests in Alor Setar, Air hitam, Kulim, Padang serai , tapah, Teluk Kemang.
Hidraf resignation from Najib’s administration I believe have some effect on Indian. So Najib must learn on how not to let useless PR politician dictate on Indian aspiration.
By the way, tsunami also taking place in Malay community. Support for PAS(among malays) dwindles and for PKR, now reducing too.
Support of UMNO dwindles (due to Najib’s irritatingly “lembap”)too but ofset by PAS members voting for UMNO.
MORE IMPORTANTLY, UMNO sill “tidur” on changing demography. Pandan’s mlay share of voters reducs from 49(2008) to 44%(2013). Hulu kelang In future will see dramatic reduction of Malay percentage of voters with musrooming of over priced housing area.
Anyone can tell me why Seri Serdang sees massive increase of non Malay voters in 2013.
re: “Appointing Hindraf man as a Deputy minister already upset the Malay community.”
Is this because of lingering feelings against the letter to Gordon Brown?
re: “Short of saying it out loud, UMNO (and Malays) already give up hoping non Malays(especially Chinese) will support BN in next election.”
How can we have a country where half (> 60%) the Malays are on one side and the Chinese and Indians all on the other? This is a recipe for civil war.
quote”Is this because of lingering feelings against the letter to Gordon Brown? ‘unquote.
YA! YES! OUI! DA! HAIT! SI!
Accusing the Malays to have committed genocide to the Indians is the WORST fitnah ever thrown to the Malay community!
As far as I am concerned, Hindraf can go fly kite, forever!
Najib had taken a bold step extending his hand to Hindraf gangsters. MIC during Samy’s stand wants the BN to only acknowledged his party as representing the local Indians. I believe this still stand. But Najib did otherwise.
Worst. Najib had appointed Waytha a DM. This is unprecedented that a kaki demo from an extremist hindu centric misfit organisation that accuses the Malay Gomen of genocide. And had sought the help from the British (Christian gangsters) while proudly ‘hailed’ the Queen of England! Despite the fact that these are the looters colonialist terrorists that had looted the Tanah Melayu of their wealths and killed her people. How do you expect an ordinary Melayu tak sakit hati?
Nevertheless Najib had started the National Reconciliation process but Waytha had call it quits after a few months despite agreeing to a five years blueprint to help the Indians! Only goes to show his lack of statesmanship and legitimising our lack of faith in him and his movement.
Indians need more people of Kamalanathan stature. I hope I will not be wronged.
re: “but Waytha had call it quits after a few months despite agreeing to a five years blueprint”
The MoU was signed in April 2013, so it has been 10 months.
I’m not sure what you do but let’s speak hypothetically: Would you as a boss be able to run your programme if you did not have a budget and staff?
Why don’t we try the same rationale used against Waytha on the Ministry of Youth and Sports. There is no need for KBS to be allocated any budget and I’d like to see KJ operate for the next 10 months. Perhaps as the world’s richest unemployed 28-year-old (last time), he’s still got money in the bank and can dig into his old private stash, eh?
And let him pay KJ’s Favourite Veginatable in cowri shells and kangkung (not ‘RM’).
As KJ claimed, that pariah ex senator Hindraf paranoid man wanted ALL allocations for the Indians to himself. MIC would be cut off.
Does that tell you A LOT about that Hindraf pariah, Helen?
Your use of the “pariah” word is most objectionable but I’m letting through your comment uncensored on account of the content which deserves an airing and my response.
Your echoing of KJ’s words tells me A LOT about why Umno is being thoroughly rejected by the ‘nons’ and why so many Malaysians bermati-matian mahu ABU. Unfortunately KJ gives Umno a bad name but hey, he’s your problem.
The MIC Ministers are:
(1) Dr S. Subramaniam. He is the Health Minister.
Do you possess any common sense or not, Setem? How in the world can the budget for the HEALTH Ministry (!!) be transferred to be parked under Deputy Minister Waytha Moorthy?!
(2) The MIC president G. Palanivel is the Minister of Natural Resources and Environment
Again, his purview (Natural Resources and Environment) is nothing to do with Indian Affairs but instead very specific areas.
(3) The other MIC Deputy Minister is Kamalanathan. He answers to Muhyiddin Yassin as the Education Minister. Ada masuk akal that allocations for the Ministry of Education can be parked under the new Indian Deputy Minister? Will Muhyiddin the DPM allow this to happen?
(4) The fourth MIC man is Saravanan, the Deputy Minister of Youth and Sports. His ministry has billions in budget. We’ve not yet heard Khairy claim that his KBS budget was being diverted even one sen to Waytha’s Indian programmes, have we?
You have simply parroted what KJ is saying without processing whether his claims are credible or logical.
You’ve been commenting in my blog since its early days, Setem. Never have I been so disappointed in publishing what you’ve had to say. Today is really a milestone.
Did my early deduction about his resignation is wrt to Money? This is followed by PM comment about the RM100 million to go direct to the SJKT project.
Be fair, LOL. Khairy’s accusation of “money” reflects more on KJ himself, like when the Dapsters scream “racist”.
BN signed the MoU with Hindraf – legitimately – and their Blueprint was supposed to roll out specific programmes to help the Indian poor.
Does anyone believe that Khairy’s Youth Ministry is staffed full of volunteer DAP interns whom need not be paid any salary? Is Regina Lee being paid in cowrie shells and kangkung?
And about the PM’s big brouhaha about RM100m for Tamil schools, well that’s only one-third the cost of the Monsoon Cup.
This concerted smear campaign by both sides of the political divide against Waytha is very ugly. It reveals what those with power have no qualms about inflicting on the powerless and the voiceless.
Didn’t he say “try to work without money”. My point is there is a lot distrust on him to begin with, and he fails to convince them.
re: “My point is there is a lot distrust on him to begin with, and he fails to convince them.”
Alright, fair comment LOL.
re: “Didn’t he say “try to work without money”.
‘The MoU was signed in April 2013, so it has been 10 months. ‘
50 months shy to the Blueprint. Banyak bulan lagi tu Helen. Why so soon?
‘Would you as a boss be able to run your programme if you did not have a budget and staff?’
This is where the problem lies. First and foremost, Waytha is not a boss. He is reporting to someone. Maybe directly to the PM? I’m not so sure. But he was NEVER a boss. You must not think that. He, especially Waytha must NEVER think it that way.
I believe this is where it fails. Waytha is like a kid in the candy store who wants to have all the candy to himself and by himself only. What will happen to the rest of the budak hitam? How will they react if this is to happen?
Waytha must work his way up. Along the way, you will get ridiculed. You simply can’t please everybody. But at the end of the day, it all boils down to whether you get the job done and done well or not!
Working for yourself you have your customer to look after to. Customers are very fussy lot and NO they don’t always right, but of course if you want their money so bad, you will entertain their nonsense nonetheless. Yes?
Apparently Waytha was so keen to help the marginalized Indians. Perhaps not as much as Kamalanathan did!
Below are just the departmental AGENCIES alone in the PMO, and NOT YET counting the statutory bodies, commissions, companies and central agencies.
If Waytha was made to understand that he was going to be boss of his own Indian unit, is it so difficult to give him a start in the 10 months that the MoU was supposed to be in effect?
Note that Pemandu is under the PMO (and the consultants’ RM7.2 billion expenditure). And don’t forget yah despite Khairy’s dirty hatchet job, the truth of the matter is that the budget for Waytha is ZERO expect for the big desk and executive chair they gave him.
PEMANDU: Performance Management & Delivery Unit
Aiya! Helen very forgetful la you.
Read your entry : KJ’s Kementerian must be full of Dapster interns
Wathya to KJ: You tried to work without Money?
Reconciliation takes two sides to tango.
Olive branch already given to HIndraf when Waytha was offered to join the government.
And he quit.
Now you are talking about national reconciliation between BN and the Indian community? They’d better get another group to help them since Hindraf has screwed up and had thrown away the olive branch.
If I were Najib, I would go back to MIC.
I support BN, but Im not an UMNO member.
And KJ is not my problem.
re: “And he quit.”
What else could he have done? Keep hitting his head against the BN and bureaucratic brick wall?
re: “If I were Najib, I would go back to MIC.”
Your statement implies that Najib had doubts that MIC could deliver up to expectations.
Wrt to MCA, none of us believe that this Chinese BN party has the capacity to deliver the Chinese votes.
re: “And KJ is not my problem.”
Most unfortunately, he is our country’s second biggest problem (after Anwr).
re: As much as Hindraf wants the betterment of indian society, it too must remember that changes take time. and in multi racial society,
How many more years to wait? The Indians are marginalised in many areas compare to the Malay and Chinese. Already 56 years since Merdeka.
re: So now UMNO naturally adopts attitude of “apa susah hati sangat. tanpa orang cina pun(atau bukan Melayu) pun UMNO masih boleh buat kerajaan”.
Another factor is gerrymandering. The upcoming redelineation will see another gerrymandering.
What do you expect UMNO to do? Najib has been very accomodating to requests by chinese community to the extent that he upsets the Malay community.
What did Najib get in return? He was soundly rejected by chinese. . Naturally he has to concentrate on those who support him.
“gerrymandering…? Hmmnnn. Do remember in many remote areas, the constituents are big even though the population is sparse.
Explain why sudden increase in chinese voters in Pasir Gudang? Why?
I agree with you that the rural districts are geographically vast areas with sparser population. In Sarawak you need to travel by boat to reach the interior. The MPs and Aduns of rural vs urban seats have to meet different demands in doing their job.
so no issues with the inequality wrt to headcount, i.e. we can’t have one man-to-one man worth in the votes. I believe early in our Constitution the framers had put an upper limit of 15 percent difference between the biggest and smallest constituencies.
But Putrajaya, I must say, is too pampered! So few people and one Parliament seat.
The “elephant in the room” is the factor that Anwar and DAP ignored in last election.
To get hold of Putrajaya, any party must lock the majority votes from the largest etnic group: the malays. Anwar completely ignored this factor.
All talks on “gerrymandering’ are manifestations of sour grapes.
re: I believe early in our Constitution the framers had put an upper limit of 15 percent difference between the biggest and smallest constituencies.
Yes. We did. If not mistaken, BN amended the FedCon to increase the percentage difference twice. Later, this safeguard was removed all together.
re: we can’t have one man-to-one man worth in the votes.
Agree. Especially for rural areas.
What about urban areas? Compare Putrajaya and the neighbouring constituencies like Serdang dan Puchong. Why the big difference?
re: What do you expect UMNO to do? Najib has been very accomodating to requests by chinese community to the extent that he upsets the Malay community.
We are talking about Waytha vis-a-vis the poor Indians. Policy has to be proportionate. Let say there is an annual allocation of RM1 bil for community development. As per the ratio of population, Indians should get at least RM80 mil (assuming Indians form 8% of the population). Issue is Indians are getting much less or maybe even none.
re: Explain why sudden increase in chinese voters in Pasir Gudang? Why?
Why not you ask the SPR? Ask also why the big difference in terms of voters for Putrajaya and say Serdang? Both are urban localities situated side by side.
I think Najib genuinely sincere in wanting to look into poor Indian affairs. But probably the large bureaucracy beneath him doesn’t pay heed to his effort. I could imagine the layers upon layers upon layers of bureaucracy with overlapping responsibilities between various departments.
So when you want to do something, you go to dept xyz to meet up with this pengarah A, then this pengarah asked you to discuss with pengarah B from dept abc first. And when you met up with pengarah B, he asked to write a letter to another big shot from ministry def and you got replied few months later with a letter signed with “Yang menurut perintah” that starts with the following sentence “Dengan dukacita, saya ingin memaklumkan bahawa dana yg tuan pohon tidak diluluskan oleh….”.
In the end, a big pusing here and there, nothing gets done, at all. Of course, that’s what I think happen to Mr. Waythamoorthy and Hindraf, but I could be wrong.
Having his own budget and his own staff would help move things along and around the bureaucratic red tape which you have described. As it was, he was provided with neither budget nor staff.
For the uninitiated, KBS is Kementerian Belia dan Sukan with a limitless budget for “awesome projects”. For the still uninitiated, the twit @reginalah is Khairy Jamaluddin — the Youth Minister’s secretary.
I am waiting for Waytha to sue KJ for claiming that he wanted all the allocations for Indian to himself.
So far no immediate reaction from Waytha.
What does that tell you Helen?
re: “So far no immediate reaction from Waytha. What does that tell you Helen?”
It tells me that Waytha has very little space (platform) to get his side of the story out.
The playing field is so tilted. e.g. We know that the Pakatan controls the narrative in all the English media.
Say that I want to tell the other side of the Hindraf story. Dedicated readers would be aware of how much my blog has been crippled by the unrelenting attacks on connectivity as well as the character assassination against me and the trolls ‘they’ send.
And mine is only a small and limited platform (voice). Inipun – just a little individual blog – diorang mahu sekat. And earlier TMI run its smear campaign against me coinciding with my criticisms of KJ.
To see the r/s between KJ and TMI, read Din Turtle. http://dinturtle.blogspot.com/2014/02/jika-yakin-tmi-suara-pembangkang.html
In the case of Waytha, I see the whole weight of the government and the Firster-Pakatan machinery being brought to bear against this one man. The slanders spewed against him is despicable.
In the age of internet, you said Waytha had little space to voice up his opinion?
You must be kidding me! How did his Hindraf run a smear and biggest fitnah campaign against the Malays? And how did you run a frenetic campaign against the Malay govt about the SK Pristina issue?
re: “And how did you run a frenetic campaign against the Malay govt about the SK Pristina issue?”
Oh come on lah.
There were thousands of reader comments (over some half a dozen postings) on Seri Pristana in my blog.
And the majority of the comments were backing the Malay headmaster.
And how can I be accused of campaigning against the Malay govt when it was the Malay headmaster who was giving the Malay JKR architect of the school a bad name by implying that his design was faulty.
The architect designed the school complex to accommodate 1,440 pupils. This means the classrooms must be enough, and the other facilities fitted to size. This also means that the architect, if he is competent, would have designed the school canteen just the right size to accommodate 360 pupils (two sessions, morning and afternoon, and recess split into two shifts).
At the time of the incident (when the Indian pupils were forced to eat in the ‘changing room’ opposite the toilet during Ramadan, Seri Pristana’s enrolment was only 1,375 pupils, meaning that the school was not overcrowded.
Yet the headmaster claimed that the canteen was too small even though his enrolment was less than the school’s capacity.
This means by implication the Malay headmaster is saying that the JKR Malay architect did a lousy job when designing the school so much so that the canteen he designed is too small (like the infamous ‘Kancil carpark’ which had to be demolished) and causing Seri Pristana’s Indian pupils to have to eat in the changing room during puasa month.
Why cast slurs on the professional competency of the architect-civil service staff?
You haven’t answered my question, Helen.
Why didn’t Waytha use the internet to tell his side of the story? There is no such thing as no space for him to defend himself.
re: “Why didn’t Waytha use the internet to tell his side of the story?”
Do you know how many times I’ve copypasted the following Internet link in these comment spaces — http://www.hindraf.co/index.php/news-statements/1168-mou-hindraf-bn
It’s the url to just one reference, the Hindraf-BN MoU.
Have you clicked on the link yet to hear their side of the story?
Has anybody been interested enough to just have a look at the MoU-cum-Blueprint that you all are accusing all kinds of things about
(e.g. KJ’s false allegation that “Waythamoorthy demanded all govt budget for Indian community be parked under his discretion”)
and find out for yourself whether what KJ claims is true or false.
re: So when you want to do something, you go to dept xyz to meet up with this pengarah A…………….
If the BN federal government is sincere, they can easily reduce or eliminate these bureaucracy. Fundings can be dished out easily. After PAS captured Terengganu, BN stop the payment of oil royalty. Only after BN recaptured the state, the payment is resumed. For Kelantan, no royalty is given. The wang ehsan was given directly by the federal government by passing the PAS state government. After the 2008 election, BN set up similar federal JKKK to by pass the existing state JKKK.
Look the awarding of government contracts done via direct negotiation without calling for open tender. APs were given to selected individuals known as AP Kings without competitive bidding. Processes are made simplified. Why not the funding to Hindraf or poor Indians?
Nak seribu daya, tak nak seribu dalih.
I wanted to deny that these two acted like bullies. But then again maybe you are spot on, especially these two on Waytha since all senyap on these nitwits front on Kok issues which is lagi kurang ajar than asking Najib to resign.
Did these two ayam jantan (deleted) berkoKok then, Helen?
It is not just Khairy or Hisham joining in to bash Waythamoorthy from the Barisan Nasional’s side.
I was reading through a conservative-leaning Facebook page (Mahathir-worshipping, pro-I.S.A., pro-authoritarian, anti-Khairy) the other day. The articles and comments concerning Waythamoorthy’s resignation were rather vicious or at least unsympathetic.
If I got a ringgit for every clichéd ‘if you meet a snake and an Indian’ remark, I would probably be an instant millionaire.
I’m sure you’ll earn more if you could get yourself a ringgit for every Melayu Bodoh remarks!
That is probably true, unfortunately. I get really angry when I hear people patronisingly dismiss someone as a ‘Melayu Bodoh’. I have met my share of arrogant Malays in civil service etc, but I have also met some really honourable and dignified Malays.
Two instances are outstanding in my mind. The first was when I had an accident on the highway — I rammed into a Toyota Altis driven by a well-dressed and obviously highly-educated Malay guy. We both drove to the side of the road and inspected the damage in the rain (it was pelting it down). He had only a small scratch; my number plates had broken and fallen off. His mother came out of the car and apologised that they had braked so suddenly. But it was legally and technically my fault. They didn’t have to be so polite and understanding, but they were. And I will always remember that and respect the Malays for that.
The second instance was when my mother and I were out in the park to get our morning exercise. We were hogging the foot path and facing each other. A Malay man was walking in our direction, but instead of walking between us, he chose to get off the foot path and walk behind us instead. Both my mother and I stopped in our tracks, watched him walk on and looked at each other. My mother broke the silence, “The Malays are so polite erm?”
I very highly respect this nature in Malays and would be very annoyed to see an Indian or Chinese take advantage of a Malay because he is good-natured and respectful.
Makruh! Kalau banyak sangat tolong boleh naik Haram! LoL
Send them back to the estates! We don’t need too many foreigners in the agricultural sectors.
But this time enforce the ban on toddy and alcohol.
Are you aware that Sime Darby Property is a major developer of new housing?
The rubber estates have been fragmented and the plantation land developed into suburban housing estates. The rubber industry is no longer Malaysia’s biggest export earner.
The DEWs have nowhere to return to. They do not have ancestral kampung and their old estate quarters have been demolished. Rubber trees have a life span you know, and after a certain age, they’re not productive anymore.
Semua orang kena pindah rumah, Helen. Bukan orang India saja!
The DEWs are a structural problem due to the rubber industry being so big last time, and the former tappers who are immigrant labour being so many.
This is the root cause. The parents lose their jobs, lose their living quarters and the deprivation affects the kids. It becomes a generational poverty problem.
Its a scary thought (comes GE14). Most unfortunate however, these UMNO leaders dont think like you. And I doubt they read your blog. And even if they do, I dont think they appreciate the seriousness of the issue. It will be at their own peril Helen. And as predicted, Najib will and shall be the last PM from UMNO if current trend prevails
I have written about the Obama effect many times on your blog and I got ridiculed. After so many months, if I were to write about the Obama effect, without a doubt I will get the same response from the perpetually delusional Malay supremacy mob. Sorry to say this, the establishment too have their own perpetually delusional mob.
While the government is busy going about marginalizing the Hindu Indians, the Developers Above People party is busy registering and signing more Hindu Indian voters to their cause. This is what preparing for battle is all about. You sign up men and women. Get them ready. When the time comes, you send them to battle. You win the war.
The Developers’ party is good at this. Last time, they did this with Chinese voters. Registered them in huge numbers. Propped them up with countless Chinese and Chinese related issues. Then during election time, provoked them into rejecting the government. It worked for them. It worked for them because it proved that such a strategy works.
Now the Developers’ party is replicating this strategy on the Hindu Indians and Christians.
The establishment think they are safe because of the Malay vote, the Muslim vote. Their perpetually delusional mob continue to spit up stuff like “there’s no alternative for Malays, for Muslims”, therefore they assume the Malay vote, the Muslim vote are secured.
You don’t pick alternatives. With the establishment parties now also in perpetually delusional mode, the people getting angrier, so what if there’s no alternative ? They will just vote for the one they are least angry with. For all the faults of the opposition parties, for all the lies the opposition cooked up, the people are the least angry with them.
Speaking of the Obama effect, its passe. Come 2016, we’re going to witness the Hilary effect. The first female president of the USA. With American society becoming increasingly diverse, not just in racial, religious terms, but also in terms of people’s way of thinking, behaviors, the Democrats going about their campaign with “First Female President” certainly sounds more appealing, more thought provoking than the Republicans’ tired appeal to traditional American (read white) values.
Nicely said TIJ.
I will use ur logic in discusiing with my fellow frens. Thanks again.
Why BN need to fear? In Kajang almost 49% voters are Malay, they no need non Malay votes to win as UMNO always claim.
jangan lupa perubahan sempadan pilihanraya dan pertambahan pengundi akan mengubah peratus pengundi mengikut kaum.
setiap kaum akan berlaku pertambahan pengundi tetapi pertambahan pengundi melayu yang terbesar.
Bagus juga kalau BN (UMNO) kalah dalam pru14. Dengan kekalahan itu nanti UMNO dapat di bersih kan dari pemimpin yang ‘tak boleh pakai’ seperti Najib ‘kura kura’, Jat ‘lembu’, Khairy ‘kitoi’, Hisham ‘bapok’ dan seangkatan dgn nya. Oh yea, tak lupa si gila glamor ‘hari hari muka keluar berita tv3’ makcik Rosmah!
Barisan Nasional dengan kekuatan hanya pada UMNO dan parti-parti dari Sabah dan Sarawak sebenarnya adalah kerajaan yang tinggal nyawa-nyawa ikan…
Tanpa majoriti kaum India menyokong MIC dan majoriti kaum Cina menyokong MCA dan Gerakan, Barisan Nasional sebenarnya sudah semput…!
Ibarat seorang tua yang sudah semput tetapi masih merasa dirinya gagah, Barisan Nasional masih meneruskan hidup dengan ‘glory of the past’….
Dengan itu, majoriti rakyat dapat melihat sifat ‘bodoh-sombong’ yang amat ketara yang dipaparkan oleh sebilangan pemimpin Barisan Nasional khususnya UMNO. Ini menambahkan rasa meluat dan sakit-hati terutama apabila PM Najib sendiri seolah-olah lembab seperti kura-kura yang hidup didalam dunia kangkungnya.
Pada saya, PRU14 adalah hampir pasti bukan lagi milik Barisan Nasional melainkan ada tindakan yang drastik diambil dengan kadar segera.
Sebagai rakyat, kita tiada pilihan selain menerima keputusan majoriti dan kita sudah tahu majoriti sudah pun menolak BN melalui undi popular…..!
Mungkinkah PRK Dun Kajang akan memperlihatkan sesuatu yang berbeza…. kita tunggu ajelah….!
re: “Barisan Nasional dengan kekuatan hanya pada UMNO dan parti-parti dari Sabah dan Sarawak”
Parti kuat Sabah pun Umno jugak.
Of course the Sabah (and Sarawak) keluar Malaysia akan jadi the ultimate Ubah for these Dapster basterds. Looking at the rate they incite our fellow countrymen to ‘re look’ at perjanjian Malaysia at the height of kalimah Allah issue is sickening nonetheless. These people deserved not a country like ours.
Now look at guan eng at his attempt to catch the next 10 percent of Indian votes with his sure to fail (and he sure knows it) Tamil Secondary School project.
He is not doing this because he is baik hati… I hope the average Indians can see this… he doing this to scheme for more of Indians yang sakit hati and benci BN to support DAP and PR. After a fallout with Hindraf, what else to turn to?!
Now he is bringing this to Najib simply to ridicule him later. How despicable this Dapster Evangelist is.
Pity the Mahavamsa!
Umno people are making the DAP’s job of enticing the Hindu, Tamil-speaking Indians easier through their below-the-belt attacks on Waytha Moorthy now.
Sometimes the term Bodoh Politik coined by CS comes to mind. But then again all is fine under Tun M. I like to think the Malays with their world best diplomacy are Cerdik Politik.
I guess some leaders aren’t!
KJ is not really ‘Melayu’.
He’s one of those Anak Bangsa Malaysia — born abroad, study in international school, “world’s richest unemployed 28-year-old” (according to what LKS said in Parliament) …
That’s why he took Regina Scissorati Lee into his office.
He looks like Waytha’s long lost adik bongsu. Maybe different Mak. But then again I may be ‘related’ to him! Hehe…
No lah, where got?
KJ’s heavy eyelids are one of a kind.
Adalah. Please relook the Mkini(?) photo. Heavy eyelids are typically Indians. Look at the Mamaks. Some Malays, like yours truly, ehem, had heavy eyelids too.
You will see the similarities. Try picture Khir Toyo next to Waytha plak. Kan jauh beza tu…walaupun both KT and KJ are Melayus.
Eeeeee, Waytha would be most insulted by the comparison with KJ. (I ambil peranan jurucakap untuk kali ini.)
Hehe. Ala Helen its ok to mengaku that sejak dua menjak ni…especially after Waytha letak jawatan your blog dah jadi Warta Waytha!!!
You are assuming the Indians are so gullible that they could easily be swayed by DAP after the Buah Pala issue?
Are the Chinese swayed by the DAP because 90 percent (going on 95%) of the Chinese are gullible?
Yes, you’ve said it yourself so many times in your various blogs; that the 90% Chinese were gullible to fall to Dapsters lies and fitnah about the BN and Malays they spread using the internet.
Those whom I called “sheeple” might be taken as considered gullible. But the flock is Christian lah, not Chinese.
Seperti yang saya kata tadi, Umno dan golongan ultra Melayu, semakin perpetually hysterical. Malahan, tahap perpetual hysteria mereka lebih serius dari Dapster-dapster.
Saya baru sahaja membaca petikan Saudari Helen walaupun ianya ditulis lebih dari setahun yang lalu. Terus terang, saya tidak sedar bahawa golongan yang begitu kecil boleh menyebabkan kesan yang begitu kritikal dalam pengundian.
Walaubagaimanapun, saya tidak pasti apa pendapat golongan Hindu/India yang underclass, samada mereka masih menyokong Hindraf dan Waytha, ataupun sudah hilangnya harapan.
P.S. No, my account didn’t get hacked, but I’ve been away from home for so long that I’m starting to forget my Malay, and I don’t want that to happen!
re: “samada mereka masih menyokong Hindraf dan Waytha, ataupun sudah hilangnya harapan”
Situation very unsettled right now but what I think is that as long as the problems besetting the Indian communities persist and the authorities (both sides BN and Pakatan) are not concerned, then there will be a role for Hindraf.
Solve the Indian poor problems and there will be no need for Hindraf.
Even if there is a need for Hindraf, I say let it be. But please ask nicely, don’t la act like some gangsters in some Kollywood flicks!
When you are already in Gomen, try la to work things out. Learn from Kamalanathan on the politics side of things trying to get things done. Antagonising the people concern especially the stake holders is not the way.
Ala kata nak berjuang untuk bangsa India, takkan sepuluh bulan dah give up? Apa nye yang buat Blueprint sampai lima tahun. Tahun ni baru masuk tak ada direct bajet to play with. Work la with related Kementerian. Ask la around. Tarik la some of their dana. Mana tau by next year dapat dana sendiri.
KJ pun dulu no jawatan. Now got KBS and big dana. So Waytha stop being a cry baby. Helen personally please tell him this. He should be ashamed of himself for failing to bersabar for the sake of the poor and marginalized Indians. They have high hopes for him. Najib dah buka jalan for Hindraf, despite their seditious nature(Tun M simply won’t. Or maybe Samy won’t let him). But Waytha had just failed them.
Learn more from Cikgu Kamal!
re: “Now got KBS and big dana”
When gomen go on austerity drive, KJ’s big dana Ministry must be the first to have its budget cut since he claims that he can work without any money.
Ya. And maybe Kalimullah can derma some of his to KBS after the cuts. Nanti kita tengok…
The Tun M spins by MI is so low!!! KJ had to defend Najib, thanking him his KBS Mantrin position and solidifying his allegiance to Hisham Besan Siti!
re: “Hisham Besan Siti!”
Sorry not aware. Who’s Siti?
Aiyoh! Stop watching to much Walatoi la Helen!
Siti Nurhaliza the Singer.
So what connection is the besan r/s?
Has Khairy ever claimed ‘he can work without money’ in response to Waythamoorthy?
Indirectly if you’ve implied that your fellow minister doesn’t need a budget.
Khairy alleged that Waythamoorthy wanted all the government budgets for Indians to be under his control.
Whether this allegations are true or otherwise is subject to debate, but it is certainly not claiming that his ministry can work without funds.
First of all the allegation is a lie and insulting the intelligence.
The crux of the matter is this:
The MoU stipulated xyz programmes to be implemented to uplift the Indian poor. As a signatory to the MoU, it is the duty of the BN – which is the gomen – to deliver the funding to implement those programmes agreed to.
How difficult is it for you to comprehend the above equation?
What Khairy did was plain character assassination.
If no funding and staff appointment was forthcoming so the Special Unit could be established in order to carry out the programmes, then how is Waytha wrong to complain that his promised budget was being withheld?
If Waytha’s complaint is valid, then Khairy is hitting below the belt in his series of accusations that painted Waytha as being motivated by money and wanting ALL the allocations for himself.
One FMT reader already cast aspersion on the MOU.
The reader has said it aptly “Now it is common knowledge that an MOU is not and will never be a contract or agreement between two parties even if it was signatured with golden ink and banded with silver ribbons.”
Surprised that Waytha as a lawyer can make such a blunder. Can’t differentiate between a ‘legally binding agreement’ and ‘non-binding MOU’. Ask any first year law student and he/she will tell you the same. What remedy is available to Hindraf now? Resign while still not too late and preserve some honour.
They trusted Nambikei Najib to honour his word.
Kerbau dipegang pada talinya, manusia dipegang pada janjinya apatah lagi seorang Perdana Menteri.
Using the word ‘janji’ is a bit of an exaggeration as ‘janji mesti dikota’. Technically, MOU is not a janji. MOU is more like a ‘cakap main suka’.
Then everybody else from now would learn to beware “janji-janji” yang ditabur BN.
BN also ‘promised’ to look into the cost of living of the people before election. Look at what happen thereafter. Barang Naik here and there.
From my reading of the MOU, I would say the first and foremost thing to do is to establish the so-called ‘Special Unit’. Then only other matters like funding, staff, research etc etc can follow suit. After 8 months, the Unit is not forthcoming even after 16 meetings with Najib.
I must salute Waytha for his brave deeds. Not only he offended both BN and PR, Hindraf is now neither here nor there and has to go solo. Waytha sacrificed all the benefits associated with the office of senator and deputy minister. He ended up making more enemies. For certain politicians, they wouldn’t care about their community and fight to be part of the cabinet like MCA.
The thing is that Khairy alleged Waythamoorthy wanted control over all budgets for Indian-related matters. Unless Khairy has also said or tweeted that he can ‘work without money’ it is a huge stretch to claim that he said so, or try to draw a link.
If a co-worker accuses you of trying to usurp other departmental budgets in the company, he is not claiming that he can work on a voluntary basis for the company.
It is simple as that…
sparked a free-for all smear campaign that took on a life of its own like the follow-up allegations that “Waytha is motivated by money”, “Waytha only wanted the money” etc.
It is justified to throw the ball back into KJ’s court. If he, as Minister, has no control over any money, and if his Ministry received no govt budget, will he be able to work or his Favourite Veginatable churn out all those sickening kipas-kipas tweets?
Remember that it was KJ was cast the aspersions first.
The MoU is simple and straightforward. To fulfil its terms, the BN as co-signatory has to provide for the setting up of the Special Unit (means budget required) which will necessarily have to be manned by some Indian staff to be recruited (Tamil speakers, going to the squatter areas, engaging vulnerable youths).
BN has not kept up its end of the bargain.
KJ on the other hand is accusing Waytha of not being a team player. What rubbish is that?!
Betul kata Islam1st ni Helen…
Seorang individu yang sikapnya lebih kuat kepada ‘membangkang’ sebenarnya tidaklah pandai buat kerja sebenar.
Ini saya cakap dari pengalaman.
Dalam industri perkerjaan pun sama. Staff yang asyik-asyik membangkang boss, selalu kritik boss…. bila diberi tugasan yang lebih mencabar…. susah nak jumpa yang betul-betul berjaya siapkan tugasan dengan cemerlang.
Staff yang jenis macam ni, bila dia berhenti kerja, bertahun-tahun dia tetap akan kutuk boss lama dia….
Pada saya Waytha ni spesis yang hanya pandai meminta tapi bila disuruh buat, macam-macam alasan…. selalunya bila gagal, dia akan kata dia tidak diberi peluang, tidak diberi dana (tools) dan sebagainya….
Ada baiknya kalau YB Kamal diberi peluang untuk menerajui satu committee yang melapur terus kepada PM yang menangani permasalahan kaum india yang dimaksudkan dalam draf hindraf berkenaan… saya fikir, cara itu akan menenangkan kumpulan berkenaan dan kembali menyokong BN.
YB Kamalanathan seorang timbalan menteri pada peringkat persekutuan di dalam sebuah kementerian yang amat penting. Besar tanggungjawabnya dah.
Justeru itu, saya rasa skop kerja beliau – mahu tak mahu – terpaksa juga menumpu kepada konsep “Minister for all Malaysians (tanpa mengira bangsa)” bak cogankata kegemaran Dapster.
Yang blueprint ni memfokus kepada kaum India.
per: …………. menerajui satu committee yang melapur terus kepada PM yang menangani permasalahan kaum india
Sudah pun banyak committee diwujudkan oleh kabinet. Tetapi tiada permerkasaan dari segi peruntukan kewangan dan pemberian kuasa. Apa gunanya? Kalau ikhlas, tak payah wujud apa-apa committee. Boleh terus bagi budget masa Waytha masih jadi Tim Menteri.
apa yg saya maksudkan ialah perlunya ada seseorang yang boleh buat kerja…bukan boleh membangkang….
saya tidak menyebut tentang dana…. sebab dana atau duit bukanlah segala-galanya walaupun segala benda perlukan duit….
YB Kamal saya sebut bermaksud elok sangat beliau diletakkan khusus untuk menangani keperluan yang dimaksudkan dalam blueprint Hindraf yang dipersetujui PM Najib bukan diletakkan di dalam kementerian pendidikan….
Mungkin ada orang lain yang lebih baik…. tapi melantik seorang yang ‘kuat membangkang’ dengan harapan dia boleh buat kerja tidak selalunya berjaya….
Yang saya dengar, kedudukan YB Kamalanathan sebagai Ahli Parlimen Hulu Selangor akan tergugat dalam PRU14 kerana macam rakan-rakan MCA dia menang atas sokongan pengundi Melayu.
re: “perlunya ada seseorang yang boleh buat kerja… bukan boleh membangkang….”
Waytha Moorthy telah banayak menjalankan kerja-kerja aktivisme hak asasi manusia bagi kaum-kaum minoriti di UK (pembentangan tentang nasib kaum India kita yang dibuatnya di House of Lords), di Brussels (ibu kota de facto Kesatuan Eropah) and Amerika Syarikat (pembentangan tentang nasib kaum India yang dibuatnya di Kongres).
Beliau telah melobi di badan dan pertubuhan hak asasi manusia antarabangsa. Tu semua “kerja”.
Pasal tu la kut he’s jaded. Mungkin dia dah perasan bagus bila balik dari Brussels bagai.
Attitude problem la tu.
The attitude problem is KJ and his supporters.
Cuba kita realistik sikit. Yang Hindraf dan Waytha nak tolong adalah golongan miskin India. Bukan golongan pertengahan dan kaya. Miskin maksudnya tak cukup duit. Seperti yang kamu cakap: “………………… walaupun segala benda perlukan duit”.
Apa gunanya bagi jawatan Senator dan Tim Menteri pada Waytha sedangkan golongan miskin India masih hidup susah? Perubahan mestilah terjadi di peringkat ‘grass root’ iaitu status ekonomi dan sosial orang India yang miskin diangkat.
Najib boleh melantik lebih ramai pemimpin India tak kira dari MIC, Hindraf, Gerakan, PPP, MUIP dll ke dalam Dewan Negara dan Kabinet. Persoalannya, adakah nasib orang India yang miskin dan tidak terpelajar di angkat?
Betul tu. Saya nampak orang yang terlalu banyak membangkang ni sebenarnya tak reti buat kerja pun.
Contoh Mohd sabu. Apa dia buat selain ceramah. Kita tak pernah dengar pun pasal kerjaya dia . apa dia buat sebelum masuk politik. Macam Dr Mahathir, dia adalah doktor.
Apa sumbangan Mohd sabu dari segi idea? apa komen beliau dalam meningkatkan ekonomi Melayu? Tak pernah dengare pun pasal idea pasal menolong Melayu.
Begitu juga hishamudin Rais. Apa kerja dia? Tak ada alamat, tak ada anak, tak ada kerjaya . YANG DIA BUAT MENGHASUT. Begitu juga dengan ahli DAP macam Kit siang. Selama saya dok baca tulisan dia, banyak adalah fitnah. Cadangan tak ada. Fitnah memanjang.
Pasal Hindraf ni, cara Hindraf melampau. Apa pun masalah orang india, mereka tak boleh “berperang” untuk dapat perhatian.
re: “Apa pun masalah orang india, mereka tak boleh ‘berperang’ untuk dapat perhatian.”
Yang orang India miskin mahukan ialah pelaksanaan program. Saya rasa Kementerian Belia dan Sukan pun tak payah diberi peruntukan. Saya nak tengok Menteri Kangkungnya itu buat magik penyelenggaraan tanpa bajet.
Setahu saya, projek yang diuar-uarkan ada kaitan dengan KJ dan FiLnya dulu ialah Monsoon Cup, iaitu sukan glamer layar yachts yang memakan belanjawan RM300 juta.
It seems that you have gone Waytha on KJ!
You also don’t like KJ what.
Remember our poll results? I can’t think of any Umno personality who rubs the public the wrong as much as he does.
In this present case, KJ membudayakan fitnah.
I’ve maintained that I don’t support Pakatan because “what kind of people are they?”
I also maintain that BN people are better. But this si Kitol is a Dapster.
But semenjak dua menjak I wanted to study him more and more. Please don’t tell him. But many Muslims NGOs aligning (or maybe friendly) to BN also mark him as suspect.
Islam1st….sebenarnya sudah lama KJ ni jadi suspek…..!
We hear you abang…
per: Saya nampak orang yang terlalu banyak membangkang ni sebenarnya tak reti buat kerja pun.
Dalam konteks Waytha, kalau tak cukup atau tiada bajet dan staf serta autoriti, macam mana nak buat kerja? Tak akan nak suruh Waytha keuar duit sendiri? Ini yang Waytha ‘frust’ dengan Najib. 8 bulan sudah cukup untuk nilai keikhlasan Najib dalam menolong golongan miskin India.
Saya amat setuju!
I think there is a huge difference between Waytha and Kamalanathan as Waytha is there for a specific mission within a limited time frame. Kamalanathan, on the other hand, is a career BN politician who has no specific objective to accomplish.
I get the impression that Waytha could see that he wasn’t being taken seriously by the BN people. He wasn’t getting any funds, and frankly, they had signed him on to stall his career and ensure he doesn’t kick up a ruckus elsewhere.
To be honest, BN is what it is, for the money. Helping marginalised Indians has no real benefit in terms of kickbacks. And they probably don’t see the Indian community as being of much value to them in terms of votes.
Ini tak mengambil kira vote swing dari kalangan Melayu. Kalau Melayu banyak swing kepada UMNO, Indian votes tiada makna. Akhirnya India di ketepikan oleh arus perdana.
Adakah masyarakat India ingin memperjudikan masa depan mereka?
Sama-samalah kita saksikan.
Go to the simulation site and test it out. I tried this permutation: What is the effect of 5% additional Chinese votes going to Pakatan?
The calculation is 11 more Parliament seats. http://www.undi.info/2013p/parlid|0|0|-5|5|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0
Just when we thought the impact had maxed out with 90 percent Chinese support for Pakatan, taking it to 95 percent can still swing seats over to the oppo.
As to the future direction of the Malay votes, I don’t know. The Allah issue will send Malays to Umno but inflation and cost of living issues will drive everyone away from BN.
Also I’ve been putting up photos of all the Melayu odikals who have been paying homage to Puan Speaker. The oppo hold on Selangor is strong, 44 seats out of 56 = 78.6 percent control. This is better than a two-thirds majority. Pakatan controls 4 out of every 5 DUN seats.
With this kind of political dominance and total assault by state propaganda, they have managed to turn even DAP evangelistas into popular personality cult figures among Malays. If you look at Hannah Yeoh’s Twitter following, a lot of them are young Malays.
So if I were Umno, I shouldn’t feel complacent at all about getting Malay votes. And if I were the the Islamic authorities, I should be very worried about the DAP evangelistas taking Subang, taking the City and taking what else for Jesus.
Precisely. I often come across many young Malays who question the rights of Malays.
To them, going against the government of the day is a “romantic” idea. Never mind they will be “roastered” should PR( meaning DAP) take over.
And UMNO going to be “gone with the wind” with Najib being to “apologetic” and Khairi as a minister. The choice of his political secretary is very “unsettling”.
It’s not being romantic, but doing the right thing. These young Malay chaps can see and experience how NEP actually enslave them rather than improve then. Hence the feeling for equal rights, rather than crony first. This is a fact better for them and Malaysia
NEP enslaves them.? Hmnnnnn…
Perhaps these young Malays should ask where are they without NEP? They must be naive to think they will get equal opportunity in private sector.
As for crony, there are hundred of thousands of Malays from humble backgrounds are able to pursue higher education through NEP. So they must be “cronies”. I must be one of them. My father was simply a technician . but i got scholarship to further my study. so, I must be one of the cronies. Including all the Malays.
Actually, the uninitiated like you may not realise that the Constitution clearly says the priority in term of civil service, scholarship is to be given to Malays, Orang sungai. Not out of love but in recognition to mind boggling willingness of Malay rulers to grant citizenships to those “pendatang'( example: Kit siang) .
Unfortunately, until today these formerly known as “pendatang” still behave like “pendatang”.
Abang Shamshul, these pemuda hingusan banyak sangat bermimpi basahkan Hisham Rais.
saki-baki UBU hipsters yang drop outs UM (some lah), tatoo sana-sini. Hedonis maksimum ikut-ikutan. Tak dapat pi Prague, kat Bangsar pun (or now Changkat) pun jadilah.
Tanya pemuda PAS apa jadi kat Stadium Kelana Jaya few years ago apabila program seni dicurate oleh Hisham Rais and gangs. Nasib baik tak bergaduh. Saya ada kat sana dengan sahabat mualaf saya, seorang ahli PAS seumur hidup. Dia pun mengaku sedih dengan geng-geng liberal PKR!
Jika kita perasan, yang suka memberontak dan demonstrasi dan terbalikkan kereta polis semuanya bermasalah. ,Belajar cukup makan, selalu ponteng, kuat menipu.
Jadi masalah mereka disalahkan pada negara. Siapa surih Adam Adli susah payah ceramah sana sini. Dia perlu belajar saja. Dah kerja, baru berpolitik,. Masa tu Naib Canselor tak akan bising. Tetapi jika masih berlajar, terikat pada peraturan.
Hishamudin Rais adalah orang yang gagal. Gagal dalm segala segi. Seperti kapal tanpa arah. Ikut belayar ikut haluan angin saja..
Hidup mesti berpaksikan kenyataan. Memanglah kerajaan pun ada silap juga. Nama pun manusia. Tetapi mesti dihormati.
Melihat Melayu memaki hamun polis dan terbalikkan kereta polis buat saya terfikir “adakah mereka ini semuanya beriman”.
Apo nak dikato abg, ketaksuban yang melampau batas, semua kena main dengan Anwar and gangs!
I agree that Pakatan is strong at the moment in Selangor. I think it took the people of Selangor themselves as a surprise of the overwhelming support.
Of course this is contributed by the overwhelming support of the Chinese. It also doesn’t help that UMNO Selangor lack any effective and productive campaign strategy for the last PRU. Perhaps even sabotaged by their own people( I wonder why I haven’t heard of Dato Md Zin of former MP Sepang anymore).
But should UMNO formulate a better campaign strategy with ideal group leader to spearhead this, I think they can do better with the young ones and even the older voters.
The problem is, they do nothing.
re: “UMNO formulate a better campaign strategy with ideal group leader to spearhead this”
I’m not familiar with that.
Here is the MoU. You can have a read, http://www.hindraf.co/index.php/news-statements/1168-mou-hindraf-bn
Selangor is a unique state. This is the only state (beside Penang) where more than half of constituents have sizable non Malay voters. Now compare to Perak where although there are many non Malay majority constituents, 35 seats are heavily malay majority.
Ampang is a classic example. Only around 55% is Malay. The same goes for constituents like Huku kelang, Cempaka, Bukit Antarabangsa.
UMNO manages to capture majority of the Malay votes. But as it lost almost entirely the Chinese votes, many seats like Ampang fell to PR.
saya masih belum dengar adanya ‘drive’ besar-besaran mendaftarkan pengundi baru di kalangan pemuda dan pemudi Melayu di Selangor…
umno Selangor masih hidup dengan ‘glory of the past’ kot….?
macamanala nak menang….!
As a PR supporter, I very much appreciate you valuable comment. Thank you very much indeed for this great info. I will definitely promote this article (which I have) to all the Indians I know(hopefully it will have a multiplier effect) of the power the Indians have to chart a new history in Malaysia ie. a new PR government after GE 13
P.S. I had no idea of this info prior to your promotion. Thanks.
lol good luck with the pipe dream.
Thanks for the motivation. Let’s see after GE14.
Now the ‘ini kalilah’ slogan of ousting the Malay politically will be shared with the Indians. Maybe the Indians should stick to an organization that can really help them instead of being fooled by such fantasy. If this is the case, the Indians will be on the losing part in the grand scheme of the scenario.
Bak kata pepatah Melayu, ‘Yang di kejar tak dapat, yang dikendong berciciran..’.
I have a slogan for the Chinese and Indian like you, ‘Sedarlah’.
I am proud of you for your ability to learn something new and try and apply it. I hope more PR supporters are like you.
My suggestion is for you to read Helen’s article and her comments again. Feel and understand it. It’s not about me boasting but it’s about me and my Indian brothers n sisters being motivated to choose the lesser evil ie. PR.
Be objective bro. I am.
Lesser evil, I mean those whom have not played us out so cruely as you know who.
Stupid maybe, but the war and not the battle counts
Helen, so long for my comments kena tapis ah?
Thank you for reminding me why I do not support Pakatan … because Pakatan is full of supporters like you.
Didn’t knew that you also operate like the so called “DAP Evagelista”. Tak sangka u pon main sensor. Sial punya orang.
Please don’t bitch others when you act like a bitch by sensoring….
Are you mad?
What time did you put your comment that you accuse me of censoring?
Even my regular commenters are saying that they cannot get through and for that matter, even I myself am unable to access my own dashboard.
Read Datuk Kadir’s access predicament, http://www.kadirjasin.com/2014/02/limited-access-to-our-blog.html
Thank you for your Show & Tell through the language that you use and the kind of comment that you have just made.
Thank you for your Show & Tell through the language that you use and the kind of comment that you have just made (to indicate what kind of person a Pakatan supportor typically is).
Helen what else about these PR supporters that we don’t know?
Apparently one minute this John is objective and called people to toe the line and be just that. Like him. Keep sane bagai. The next minute bila komen keluar lambat skit, he starts calling you all sorts of names just like their leaders always did.
What kind of people are they?
I have been censored and deleted, time and again, I’m sure other regulars too, but we have not stoop so low. At least belum lah lagi terjadi!
Objective la sangat!!!
Sigh. And I thought for a moment that he was actually decent.
Thank you for proving to me you are ….. There 5 letters for you to fill, hipocrite
Thank God I screen shot your page for my friend’s distribution.
Why kena hack? I am sorry I did not know. I thought you are in the right path. I apologise for my comments as I thought you wer deliberately deleting my comments
Somehow I see Pakatan specifically DAP taking note of your article and will start offers for Waytha and Hindraf to align with Pakatan soon.
Maybe not. They aren’t giving the Pakatan-friendly and loyal helper PSM (mosquito party) the time of day.
Yes, but nobody is writing articles on how PSM could be taking away votes and seats.
PSM is very particular that the party is race blind and socialist in its approach.
Hindraf on the other hand is specifically Indian.
Thus PSM fits the Firster profile whereas Hindraf is an anathema to their hypocritical Anak Bangsa Malaysia propaganda.
Both Pakatan and BN are surely aware that they need every single vote of a rainbow coalition in order to beat the other guy in what promises to be a neck-and-neck finish?
Unfortunately in Malaysian politics race and religion is more decisive than ideology, and hatred for BN the only thing needed to hold Pakatan elements together.
I can’t stress what a big mistake Najib has made in allowing the Hindraf-BN MoU to fall apart.
Strip away everything else, the fact remains that the marginalized Indians deserve urgent assistance. And the PM should have prioritized. This is the government’s responsibility if not plain humanism.
He gave Khairy’s Ministry a big budget and the Indian Poor Remedy Blueprint nothing. And to rub salt into the wound, here you see KJ hitting below the belt and character-assassinating Waytha.
Do all the pro-establishment people expect the Hindraf Indians to have kind, loving thoughts about BN-Umno after this?
Oh come on Helen, Waytha had some blames to carry too, is he not?!
BTW Hindraf is specifically Hindu, thus the Hindu Rights. No?
re: “Oh come on Helen, Waytha had some blames to carry too, is he not?!”
But the smear campaign currently being carried out by KJ is unwarranted. Please note that I’ve not made a single direct criticism of Najib so far over this.
‘I can’t stress what a big mistake Najib has made in allowing the Hindraf-BN MoU to fall apart.’
Would you agree with Waytha also asking him to step down? I’m sure you know where I stand as far as Najib stepping down is concerned…So what about you?
re: “Would you agree with Waytha also asking him to step down?”
Why ppl should listen to Waytha in the first place? Who is he? Waytha who?
So going by your logic, there’s no reason for Najib to appoint ‘Waytha-Who’ to the PMO.
As well there’s no reason either for the BN heavy machinery to be top geared against this Waytha whom nobody wants to listen to in the first place.
Hence the media and certain Umno ministers should immediately quit wasting their time to conduct their smear campaign against this “nobody”, agree?
The current criticism against Waytha is the long-awaited reactions from the Malays after being fitnahed, stepped on, ridiculed by the Hindraf leaders since Pak Lah’s days.
Stop typing for a moment, Helen and rethink about your perception of HIndraf.
re: “Stop typing for a moment, Helen and rethink about your perception of HIndraf.”
Stop bashing for a moment, Setem and rethink about your perception of HIndraf.
The truth…I am a PKR guy. I followed you thus far to learn. Your article is truly beneficial to PR. dats all
It’s pleasure for me to distribute your article above so that the Indians know their rights and power to overcome BN. I just hope you will not be labeled as an anti-BN blog. If yes, well…..good for you/us. Maybe then you will cross to the right path
Ok, here’s a tip.
Indian support in GE13 (2013) in Johor for the BN was 59.1 percent. This figure is rather high. (Hindraf campaigned there and helped BN candidates like Chua Jr in Labis.)
Let’s round it up to 60% Indian support for BN in Johor last election. This level of support can easily be halved if not quartered. Padan muka Umno for treating Hindraf so badly (and what Hindraf has termed a “betrayal of the community”).
The opposition can effectively leverage on the Indian votes to dilute Umno’s influence in Johor.
What I hear (granted my sources may be biased) is that MIC is suffering a crisis of confidence, just like MCA. Indians will not give their votes to MIC just like Chinese will not give their votes to MCA.
The staunchest defenders of the MIC politicians are the Umno bloggers and Umno apparatchiks.
Johor is definitely the frontline state for GE14 and one of the last BN holdouts in the peninsula. The seats with a significant Indian electorate in Johor are:
Make a big enough dent on Umno Johor and yes, the BN might realistically be toppled in the next general election.
Umno is no longer invincible. Former Deputy Minister Puad Zarkashi lost his Batu Pahat seat in the last GE.
And this is Pakatan’s most potent Secret Weapon. Umno’s Si Kitols (musuh dalam selimut) are digging their party’s own grave.
Re. Padan muka Umno for treating Hindraf so badly (and what Hindraf has termed a “betrayal of the community”).
In what way UMNO has treated Hindraf badly? It has been 8 months for Hindraf, he quited not UMNO kicked him out.
Do you think now DAP, PKR and PAS will pick up the pieces and do better?
Re. The seats with a significant Indian electorate in Johor…
Except for Labis, the rest are either Chinese or Malay majority areas. For all Chinese majority areas, it has been agreed it is considered gone and done.
Re. Former Deputy Minister Puad Zarkashi lost his Batu Pahat seat in the last GE.
Isn’t Puad Zarkashi is the same case and scenario as Zulkifly Nordin, where both are nominated against the grassroots’ wishes?
You have omitted the gerrymandering possibility.
(a) re: “In what way UMNO has treated Hindraf badly? It has been 8 months for Hindraf, he quited not UMNO kicked him out.”
He was stonewalled every step of the way. For details, wait for the press conference tomorrow (Sat.)
(b) 8 months as Deputy Minister, 10 months since MoU signed. Would or could KJ have functioned the last 10 months without any budget? Would KJ’s ‘secretary’ be tweeting this (below) if their Ministry had no lavish budget to operate on?
(c) re: “He quit, not Umno kick him out”
What do you think Zahid, KJ and Hisham’s public rebukes were all about the last time, and now repeated post-departure? What do you think this orchestrated smear campaign against Waytha is all about?
(d) re: “Do you think now DAP, PKR and PAS will pick up the pieces and do better?”
No. I’ve said before. They’re much worse. But KJ is coming very close. Oh wait, KJ is a Dapster lah!
(e) re: “Except for Labis, the rest are either Chinese or Malay majority areas. For all Chinese majority areas, it has been agreed it is considered gone and done.”
There are really no Indian-majority Parliamentary seats. At 7.3 percent of the population, it’s not logistically possible. Strategically speaking, any peninsula seat with more than 30 percent Chinese electorate is trouble for the BN.
(f) re: “Isn’t Puad Zarkashi is the same case and scenario as Zulkifly Nordin, where both are nominated against the grassroots’ wishes?”
Correct. But Puad’s loss was the start of the crack. Now Umno Johor fortress doesn’t appear impregnable anymore. And the Indian support for BN in the last general election at almost 60 percent is high. It can be reduced … a lot.
Hisham’s arrogance in waving the keris was a pivotal factor in the Chinese abandoning BN. He and his BFF are showing the same arrogance. There will be a deserved backlash.
‘Hisham’s arrogance in waving the keris was a pivotal factor in the Chinese abandoning BN. He and his BFF are showing the same arrogance.’
Melayu are the Kesatria Vamsa. Tu la lain kali sebelum nak datang sini, baca la sejarah bangsa Melayu dulu. Tup-tup masuk ikut pintu belakang. British balik tinggal hampa semua dengan bangsa kaki amoks. Suey la kut!
Cium Keris tak bermakna nak bunuh orang. Kesatria Vamsa memang culture dia macam tu. It could also means upholding the budaya dan perjuangan vamsa.
Hisham problem was, he actually Bodoh Politik, despite being anak Tun Hussein and berdarah campur, tak boleh nak rationalise what he did, as it is and succumbed to kelicikan PR dalam MAIN POLITIK!
Itu saja. Yang Dipertuan Agung juga cium keris, does that mean Baginda pun nak bunuh Cinas ka? No lah Helen.
Please stop the bully already. Just because Melayu selalu malas nak riuh-riuhkan sesuatu perkara like most Cinas and some Pendatangs, it does not mean that the Melayu salah ok.
BERALAH BUKAN BERMAKNA SALAH!
as compare to Cinas style MENJERIT UNTUK DILIHAT SEBAGAI BIJAK DAN BENAR!
Am aware that our rulers wear the keris in their royal ceremonial attire.
Is Hisham royalty now? Which state does he rule? Derhaka ni (!)
No lah Helen, the Kesatria Vamsa like ours need not be a Ruler or Sultan for that matter to wave a keris.
The Malay dagger has been worn by the Malays as ceremonial attire, if you must.
Why do you think our wedding dress comes with the Keris? Nak bunuh our non Malay guests? Come on!
re: “Nak bunuh our non Malay guests? Come on!”
Non-Malay guests mostly ala Hannah Tudung Yeoh ,)
The only mistake Hishamuddin did was to apologize for the keris kissing.
I fully agree. But Hishammudin had made other more grand mistakes.
re: “But to be fair to the PM, he is yet to gain full trust (at least not in a short period of time).”
An agreement is an agreement. Just fulfill the terms that you have signed up to lah.
re: “Something that Wathya doesn’t realize is that his every move and communication in and outside the office has been monitored unknowing to him during the period. Even his telephone might have been tapped. There are many undercover intelligence around unknowing to him.”
Heh-heh-heh the MIC spying on them!
Aiyah, even Khalid Ibrahim’s office was bugged, remember. They found the bug. And there was the spy video footage of Khalid leaked in Malaysia Today after which a certain PKR personality got his job designation changed.
re: “To many of you, our PM memang kura-kura, but in reality, dia bukan bodoh.”
I’m not sure how to describe his appointment of Khairy and the latter’s appointment of Regina.
re: “Didn’t I tell you, he will forever be the bearer of good news or Santa Clause”
Datuk Kadir Jasin said that Najib’s Santa Clausing will bankrupt the country. Datuk Kadir’s blog hit with serious connectivity problems, http://syedsoutsidethebox.blogspot.com/2014/02/cyber-attack-against-kadir-jasins-blog.html
Have you ever wondered that now UMNO/BN will take that blue print and improve it further or adjust it based on a more pragmatic approach to their advantage?
I have a very strong feeling that they will break into small pieces and make it more workable. Will the poor Indians blatantly reject it? Wathya only has “air liur” but the boss has the money to make it happens, and I think the money will be strategically channeled where it matters most.
If they can built RM5 billion Malay City in Subang Jaya in the next 5 years, I think they have no issue to do something for the Indians e.g. last year a group of Indians students were absorbed to a polytechnic somewhere in the north. I am pretty sure, there are several other projects that have been going around but not published openly. If they can give RM2 Billion to MARA, RM100 million to the Indian is nothing to them. Time and again, the question is trust on Wathya has not been established yet.
The trend for our PM now is, let my works do most of the talking and not my mouth.
re: “Have you ever wondered that now UMNO/BN will take that blue print and improve it further or adjust it based on a more pragmatic approach to their advantage?”
DAP already plagiarized the blueprint to make it a part of Kit Siang’s Indian manifesto presented during his Gelang Patah election campaign last May 2013. DAP had no genuine intention or interest.
re: “I have a very strong feeling that they will break into small pieces and make it more workable. Will the poor Indians blatantly reject it? Wathya only has “air liur” but the boss has the money to make it happens, and I think the money will be strategically channeled where it matters most.”
Possible what you say. If it brings benefit to the end recipients, good. At least the idea would have been fruitful even if Waytha receives no credit.
re: “If they can built RM5 billion Malay City in Subang Jaya in the next 5 years”
When DAP takes over Putrajaya, the evangelistas can build a RM10 billion Christian City in Subang Jaya.
re: “If they can give RM2 Billion to MARA, RM100 million to the Indian is nothing to them.”
Thanks for the comparison highlighting the value of what the gomen gives to the Malays vis-a-vis the Indians.
Aiyoh Helen the Indians and the Malays sama ramai ke?
Okay lah, we calculate proportionate.
Malays = 54.6% of the population = RM2000,000,000
Indians = 7.3% of the population = RM100,000,000
Malays = RM36,630,036
Indians = RM13,698,630
Going by proportion, the gomen is still allocating to the Malay three times what it allocates to the Indian.
Pribumi says nothing in this? Jus Soli after 400 years of being killed, maimed, tortured, looted etc says nothing in this? Come on…
Apple to Apple is not me coming to your house and do as I wish just because, me already in your house..no?
Who is maimed and tortured by whom, when and where?
the pribumis after 400 years of being colonised…
Don’t like make sweeping generalizations.
If you wanna say this, then the Indians also can claim xyz years of forced labour.
‘If you wanna say this, then the Indians also can claim xyz years of forced labour.’
By all means please do. What happens to the Hindraf’s suit against the UK Gomen, Helen? Any news?
Why don’t you ask them?
have you ever heard the American blacks wanted to sue the former colonial powers who brought them to the US BY FORCED?
did the Indians come here by force, Helen? did the Malays on this Tanah Melayu see the Indian like slaves?
But the American blacks are sitting in the White House as president, and as past Secretaries of State (Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice).
‘But the American blacks are sitting in the White House as president, and as past Secretaries of State (Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice).’
And they are supposed to be better than us? That’s very cheap Helen. Very Dapster-ish! Sorry patriots simply won’t say that. A Dapster would, and I won’t be too surprised or remorseful.
Saya bukan penyokong MIC tapi saya mengikuti perkembangan MIC sebelum dan selepas PRU 13.
Dari satu sudut MIC memang menghadapi krisis Identii dan persepsi seperti MCA, tetapi dari sudut yang lain, MIC juga tidak koma sperti MCA.
Perubahan dalam MIC agak ketara sebelum dan selepas PRU 13. Saya dapati ramai dikalangan pemimpin MIC kini mula mengorak langkah keluar dari kepompong imej pemimpin gila kuasa dan tamak merebut semua bantuan yang diberi kepada Kaum India oleh kerajaan.
Beberapa FB pemimpin MIC yang saya ikuti menunjukkan satu trend bahawa MIC kini mula mendekati masyarakat India. Terutama wakil Pemuda dan wanita, menampakkan perubahan kearah kepimpinan lama kepada pucuk pimpinan baru.
Selain dari itu, saya lihat memang berlaku serangan keatas pemimpin ini terutama dalam Fb, setiap kali mereka mengwar-warkan sesuatu project bantuan kepada masyarakat INdia.
Tetapi apa yang lebih menarik bagi saya ialah cara mereka menjawap serangan-serangan tersebut yang bagi saya jauh lebih matang dari pemimpin MIC terdahulu.
Saya tidak pasti yang MCA akan mampu pulih dari imej negatif pada PRU 14.
Tetapi saya dapat melihat bunga-bunga perubahan pada MIC. Mengambil kira maklumat yang saya kumpul melalui rakan FB, dan beberapa pemimpin MIC yang saya ikuti juga melalui FB, nampak gayanya imej yang dibawa oleh pemimpin baru MIC mula mempengaruhi golongan muda INdia.
Obama effect mungkin akan berlaku pada kaum India kerana dari satu sudut, gambar-gambar dan profil-profil pemimpin MIC kini mengalami perubahan. Lebih berbentuk family orianted dan people friendly berbanding dahulu.
I will ensure that you are well known with the PR bloggers as the ex-UMNO ……you will be ok with even our PAS bros
I’m sorry but this John character is just too funny to me. And it seems you Helen has presented the Indians with diamonds and golds for political bargaining from your article although he was a bit insulting and rude to you when provoked.
He seems so sure that this article will be the salvation the Indians communities are waiting for. He can’t seem to wait for PRU 14.
The same confidence the Chinese had before PRU 13 when they are so sure the government will UBAH and DAP will rule Malaysia.
This is from the Hindraf point of view (i.e. what they said in their press statement):
Najib broke nambikei (trust).
The repercussions of the breach of faith runs far deeper.
I do not know which direction they (the Hindraf leadership) will take.
The fitnah by KJ, Hisham and the BN cyber apparatus, needless to say, is making the situation beyond repair.
The Pendatangs had broke Nambikei way too long already. Perhaps semua sudah lupa.
If nothing else work out for them they can always pull that 2007 stunt again but this time around, without the rally to avoid ‘complications’.
On any Merdeka Day Celebration they could re-enact to file another class action suit against the U.K. Govt. for leaving them unprotected at the mercy of Malay regime who violated their rights as minorities.
With high C.O.L. standards today, they should raise for compensation to twice the amount i.e: RM44 trillion. This should provide RM2mil for each eligible one among them.
Try not to involve the Queen this time, since it’s about human rights, instead go via UNHRC legal councils assistance F.O.C.. (Don’t forget the addendum to strike out a few Articles in the M’sian Constn.)
I wonder whether the last time they did, did Tony Blaire bended-over and said:
“HANG ON GUYS! LET ME PULL THAT £4 TRILLION STRAIGHT OUT FROM MY ARSEHOLE!”
Yup they should and I pray that they will win.
Then the Malays can start our own legal suit, factoring in the loss of wealth the British left us with these ingrates!
Berapa lah agaknya tu ek?
If it was not for the labour of those so-called ‘ingrates’, the roads, railways, telegraph and telephone infrastructure, buildings, rubber estates, and farms would not exist.
woi apek apasat lu manyak lembab, itu blitish suluh lu olang buat, lu sama blitish minta luit lor!
Kita punya tanah kena jajah wor, emas semua kena culi, bijih timah, perak semua kena culi, lu sejalah baca ka talak baca?
Lu mana sekolat?!
New Era ka?
The indians are not margilised, read here,
Hindraf is giving a press conference tomorrow. They will rebut some of the government propaganda.
I’m disgusted at how the entire government machinery has been moved to run down Waytha Moorthy and how the Pakatan side (the Firsters, the “I’m not Indian actually”) have jumped on the ‘Bash Waytha’ Bandwagon too.
This unfolding episode really shows up who those who have power and those who have recently attained a little bit of power indulge in bullying.
‘They will rebut some of the government propaganda.’
Very Umno to be churning out propaganda.
Just to let everyone know. The Net connection (accessibility) goes on and off. I’ve experienced sempat moderate only halfway through the queue of Comments Pending before my blog connectivity terputus again.
Some of my comments, in the wee hours today masih belum kelihatan, probably thats why kut…
Today’s DDoS attack the worst ever!
BN can go and list down hundreds or even thousands of assistance in the report cards. Question is whether these assistance are enjoyed by the marginalised Indians like estate workers, stateless Indians, poor people and those involved in social problems like gangsterism. Have you heard of Malay or Chinese being stateless without the necessary NRIC?
It is not fair to say the Indians are left out,they were given fair share.i think this Hinfraf leader has his own personal agenda.
Dalam tempoh lima tahun jadi Perdana Menteri, hampir RM500 juta peruntukan telah disalurkan oleh Najib bagi membantu meningkatkan taraf hidup masyarakat India di negara ini. Ia bagi memastikan kaum India berjaya dalam bidang ekonomi termasuk pemilikan ekuiti sebanyak tiga peratus melalui pelbagai dana yang disediakan kerajaan.
3. Tabung Ekonomi Kumpulan Usaha Niaga (Tekun) sahaja telah memperuntukkan sejumlah RM34.5 juta untuk membantu peniaga kaum India antara tahun 2008 hingga 2011. Pada 2012 Tekun menyalurkan peruntukan RM30 juta sementara 2013 sebanyak RM50 juta dan tahun ini juga RM50 juta. Tekun turut membantu 65 syarikat milik kaum India untuk menyertai Program Transformasi Kedai Runcit (Tukar) dengan peruntukan berjumlah RM4.4 juta.
4. Bagi dana lain, dalam tempoh dari Ogos 2012 hingga Oktober 2013, sebanyak 8,107 permohonan daripada usahawan India diterima dan sebanyak RM119.4 juta sudah disalurkan.
5. Amanah Ikhtiar Malaysia (AIM) pula sudah menyalurkan pinjaman berjumlah RM47.5 juta kepada 774 usahawan India manakala Tekun melalui Tabung Ekonomi Kumpulan Usaha Niaga memberi pinjaman RM153.9 juta kepada 12,319 usahawan India.
6. Sejumlah 22 syarikat atau bengkel milik kaum India mendapat manfaat daripada peruntukan berjumlah RM1.3 juta daripada Kementerian Perdagangan Dalam Negeri, Koperasi dan Kepenggunaan melalui program Pemodenan Bengkel Automotif (Atom).
7. Sementara bagi menjamin anak-anak India tidak ketinggalan, kerajaan menyalurkan peruntukan RM100 juta untuk Sekolah Jenis Kebangsaan Tamil (SJKT) sama seperti yang diperoleh Sekolah Jenis Kebangsaan Cina (SJKC).
Apakah perbuatan Najib ini khianat pada orang India?
re: “i think this Hinfraf leader has his own personal agenda.”
Please specify what you think his personal agenda is.
re: “Dalam tempoh lima tahun jadi Perdana Menteri, hampir RM500 juta peruntukan telah disalurkan oleh Najib bagi membantu meningkatkan taraf hidup masyarakat India di negara ini.”
Selepas diberikan begitu banyak peruntukan kaum India masih menolak BN? Kenapa ya? (Ingat, tahap sokongan mereka kepada Pakatan ialah 57 peratus.)
re: “Ia bagi memastikan kaum India berjaya dalam bidang ekonomi termasuk pemilikan ekuiti sebanyak tiga peratus melalui pelbagai dana yang disediakan kerajaan.”
Boleh Xynal tolong berikan pautan laporan berita yang berkaitan?
re: “Tabung Ekonomi Kumpulan Usaha Niaga (Tekun) sahaja telah memperuntukkan sejumlah RM34.5 juta untuk membantu peniaga kaum India antara tahun 2008 hingga 2011.”
Tu kata aje dana telah “diperuntukkan”. Sila tunjukkan actual take-up.
Najib pun kata RM32 bilion diperuntukkan untuk menjayakan BEEP (Bumiputera Economic Empowerment Progreamme.)
re: “Amanah Ikhtiar Malaysia (AIM) pula sudah menyalurkan pinjaman berjumlah RM47.5 juta kepada 774 usahawan India”
Bermaksud secara purata setiap seorang daripada usahawan India yang terpilih itu mendapat RM61,370. Bagaimana dengan orang India “bukan usahawan” yang memerlukan bantuan jumlah yang kurang daripada itu.
Contohnya BR1M (3) yang bernilai RM700 akan dilancarkan esok. Bermakna Malaysia mempunyai ramai juga rakyat miskin.
re: “Sementara bagi menjamin anak-anak India tidak ketinggalan, kerajaan menyalurkan peruntukan RM100 juta untuk Sekolah Jenis Kebangsaan Tamil (SJKT)”
Eh, bukankah ni baru sahaja diumumkan (atau disebut semula) oleh Najib sebagai langkah damage control ekoran peletakan jawatan Waytha Moorthy?
Some Umno and many Bumiputras bukan bodoh sombong Helen, too many times bitten many times shy la..
Actually you are pointing your grouses to the wrong group. You should direct these concerns to the LEADERS of Indian parties in BN. What have they been doing since Independence to their community?
Kalau you mix dgn isteri President MIC, sentiasa ceria dan relax aje dia.. tak pon keluaq hal nasib malang kaum dia pon! Maids kat rumah pun not the poor Indians tapi Indon and Filipina. And my Indian uncles from the estates in Padang Serai don’t even know that she was once from Sungai Petani.. Hai, yg Helen duk risau tak sudah2, they are actually enjoying themselves!!
re: “Kalau you mix dgn isteri President MIC, sentiasa ceria dan relax aje dia.. tak pon keluaq hal nasib malang kaum dia pon!”
Adakah Rina membayangkan bahawa orang MIC tidak prihatin terhadap nasib malang kaum India? Kalau ya, maka kita faham-fahamlah mengapa golongan yang terpinggir berpaling kepada Hindraf.
re: “Maids kat rumah pun not the poor Indians tapi Indon and Filipina.”
Jadi kita tahu sekarang kenapa kadar pengangguran paling tinggi di kalangan orang India.
re: “Hai, yg Helen duk risau tak sudah2, they are actually enjoying themselves!!”
Helen bukan risaukan mereka yang actually enjoying themselves. Helen risaukan mereka yang hidup kais pagi makan pagi, kais petang makan petang.
‘Helen risaukan mereka yang hidup kais pagi makan pagi, kais petang makan petang.’
Helen perhaps you sticks with the wrong Indians kut??? You should lepak more with Cikgu Kamal and ask his side of the story instead.
Hindraf gangsters dah tuduh Malay Gomen commit genocide on Indians, what do you expect them to say about the very same goimen, now even more Malay (wish come true!) Gomen?!
re: “You should lepak more with Cikgu Kamal and ask his side of the story instead.”
He bashed Waytha and it got press coverage. It is Waytha’s side of the story that is blacked out or twisted by the media (both establishment and oppo).
re: “Hindraf gangsters”
Define what Hindraf has done that qualifies as “gangsterism”.
Helen remembers the Cina Polis with his dahi terbelah I quoted last time?!
Itu satu contoh.
Itu satu contoh kat Hindraf Rally (demo).
Kat demo yang sama, orang India pun tercedera juga.
How many contoh you want? How many would tantamount to gangsterism? Is Thailand is the way to go?
One is one too many la Helen.
‘Kat demo yang sama, orang India pun tercedera juga.’
Police are not the one Demo-ing Helen. That’s why I labeled these people as gangsters. Similar to Anwar sponsored demos.
Committing aggression on anyone to get our voices heard, how is that going to help the poor Indians?
Lets see what will the UK or the EU for that matter will treat if the same minority Indians did the same to them?
We already know what the French did, despite Liberte, Egalite, Fraternite BS!
re: “One is one too many la Helen.”
Agree. One Amirulrasyid shooting is one too many. Yet we keep hearing of so many “accidental” deaths by shooting carried out by our police.
re: “Police are not the one Demo-ing Helen. That’s why I labeled these people as gangsters. Similar to Anwar sponsored demos.”
Dato’ Onn organised big demos against the Malayan Union. You’re labelling people who demo as gangsters.
re: “Committing aggression on anyone to get our voices heard, how is that going to help the poor Indians?”
I see the aggression and bullying as coming from Umno Ministers.
You pick the wrong gambar la Helen. Hisham bunga is the last person to commit the bully. Remembers the cium keris thingy?
Ha ha ha. Okay, I can agree with you.
Rephrase: Dia nampak cuba menggertak.
Hahaha. Please write more on Kamalanathan. Lets put some light on the Indians story shall we?
Ya la Cik Helen.. Do you actually mix with them? Really mix with them at all levels? Saya ni duk estet lama, gardener, maids, gatekeepers, drivers, mandors, asst mgrs, mgrs, gen mgrs.. semua saya campoq dan peghati cara mereka. Bini MIC chip pon saya campoq..
Depa yg atas2 tak kisah.. Kita Melayu ngada2 nak ambik kisah mereka tak suka la.. Among themselves ade itu class class..
Anyway talk about not educated leading to gangsterism.. Yg too educated, ex Bar Council Member pon kasi gerun sama dunia… the murder of their innocent clients, sebak nak sebut nama2 Arwah semua. Now my family and friends, we dare not use services of Indian Lawyers or Doctors.. scary so nak kata Melayu bodoh sombong??
My advise is Cik Helen rajin2 rapatkan diri dgn mereka. Once bitten bukan sekadar twice, tapi sampai mati akan rasa SHY..
re: ” Bini MIC chip pon saya campoq..”
Kalau Kak Rina dok bergaul mesra dengan isteri ketua MIC, tolong lah nasihatkannya sedikit supaya pesanan boleh disalurkan kepada parti yang diterahui suami.
Dah lah 90 peratus undi Cina hangus dan tidak akan boleh dicapai lagi oleh MCA-BN, undi orang India pun ke arah yang sama.
tried 5% malays. BN becomes opposition. interesting.
There is a Malay saying ” datang bersambut, pulang berhantar”.
Literally it means the value of relationship. Indians like any other community may have grouses. And BN like any government on this planet makes mistakes too. And also good deeds too.
What Waytha ignores is that he simply cant have his ways all the time. One must understand it takes time to make a pledge a reality. Just as Waytha expects maximum cooperation given to him, he must also accords respect to the fact that he is not the only representative of indian community.
re: “Waytha expects maximum cooperation given to him”
Very little cooperation was given him.
re: “he must also accords respect to the fact that he is not the only representative of indian community”
Fair comment Shamshul. You’re correct that MIC has seniority and a long, long relationship since the 1940s with Umno. Najib jaga hati.
Humility may not be common among our politicians or for a fact on any politicians on this planet. But this often neglected virtue never fails to amaze us. Humility “opens” door, providing alternatives, hope.
Waytha may have valid concerns. But he must remember he is dealing with humans. Cold clinical approach will not work especially in Malay world. I know as I am a Malay.
UMNO, Malay community has no problem in helping indians. But Waytha’s method is “confrontational”. Indian matters do not resolve around Waytha. If I may offer advice, I want to tell waytha that nobody in Najib administration recognises him as SOLE Indian voice. Even Indians too have the same opinion.
As such, Waytha must work with Najib administration. And learn to accord respect to Najib befitting his station as the head of government.
It is a very “big deal” to Malay community. The idea is like this: You want my help. So work with me.
The way waytha announced his resignation shows he does not accord respect to the administration. That is why I quote “datang bersambut, pulang berhantar’.
Shamsul – I just read your above post. I totally agree with what you have said. I hope Helen will now fully understand our side of view. But she did not comment to what you’ve posted above, except for one point. Can I assume Helen ‘secretly’ agree to what you’ve said?
Najib in accepting Waytha Moorthy’s resignation wished him well in his future endeavors.
I think the PM on a personal level understands too. I’ve maintained that Najib berniat baik.
It’s just too bad that the Umno set-up (for example, the poisoned dagger which KJ used to stab Waytha, see https://helenang.wordpress.com/2014/02/22/khairy-is-a-dapster/) doomed the Blueprint project to failure.
For me it’s very simple. I’ve pointed out that the Monsoon Cup (yacht sailing competition) during the Bapa Mentua’s time cost RM300 million. Imagine how much good the same amount given to help alleviate Indian poverty would have done compared to organizing the sailing event for a small, select group of orang putih.
Umno will self-destruct from the actions of Anwar 2.0 and his type (Si Kitol buka pintu kubu kepada Dapster veginatable).
Please reflect on the personality of KJ and compare him with the personality of Onn Jaafar and you will realise how much Umno has been destroying itself.
The cost of Umno’s self-destruction will be that the DAP evangelistas will be sitting in Putrajaya after GE14. DAP evangelistas dotting Malaysia will dozens of their Jerusubangs will not be good news for you, or for Chinese Buddhists, or for Indian Hindus.
“najib jaga hati’.
May I correct you. it is not a matter of “jaga hati” ONLY. It is a time honoured trait to value friendship. It has to do with Islamic teaching.
Fot that reason, UMNO stood by MCA and refused Lee Kuan Yew’s approaches. UMNO saw Lee kuan Yew as trying to take MCA’s place. while UMNO values PAP’s place in Singapore, UMNO refused to abandon MCA to favour PAP.
For that reason, UMNO stood by MCA, MIC when PAS went all out to say “haram pangkah MCA, MIC”. For that vreason alone, MCA can win in places like Kulim where 60% of voters are Malays.
re: “For that reason, UMNO stood by MCA and refused Lee Kuan Yew’s approaches.”
‘What Waytha ignores is that he simply cant have his ways all the time.’
Betul ke ni?
Apparently he wants to be the Boss, with his own entourage (700 tu!) and billions to play with?! Huh???
‘Former Deputy Minister in the Prime Minister’s Department P. Waythamoorthy resigned from the post because he was denied a whopping RM4.5 billion of annual allocation, Sin Chew Daily reported today, quoting a government source.
The source said the Hindraf leader had demanded the government to set up an Indian community unit with 531 personnel and an annual allocation of RM70 million to cover the salaries and operation fees.
In addition, he also asked for an annual allocation of RM4.5 billion for the Indian community.
However, the source explained, the government could not approve such a huge amount of allocation without a practical proposal.’
That’s why I say there is a smear campaign against Waytha — the deliberate distortion of info to cast a bad and sinister light on him.
As far as I’m aware, the RM4.5 billion allocation is to be spread over the 5-year blueprint. So that makes less than one billion each year.
Mind you, the budget for the Hindraf blueprint would have covered programmes akin to “Felda” for Indians. The intended beneficiaries of the Hindraf blueprint would have been the hardcore poor.
In comparison, what are the programmes carried out by the Ministry of Youth and Sports for the billions that it gets?
How much keciciran you’d expect from the Blueprint allocation over 5 years?
How many %? Please factor in Waytha lacks of pengalaman as well.
Why ask me when the blueprint never got off the ground and the allocation has been zero?
My point is the guy had no pengalaman. Thus they want him to work with relevant kementerians etc. belajar on the job how things are being done. Obviously I think, he can’t stand the too many Malay Gomen Officers kut?!
Learn from @Reginalah, she tahan what?!
KJ also no pengalaman what. (At least Waytha has past experience running his own law firm unlike “the world’s richest unemployed 28-year-old”.)
But he’s given billions in budget for Regina’s “awesome projects”.
And is KJ doing a good job? Cuba tanya kenapa sampai Siti Nurhaliza boleh tergerak untuk menegurnya.
Yet to be seen Helen. Lets watch him in action shall we?
Sadly we can’t say the same on Waytha for the guy had thrown in the towel already!
How sad. Office gempak tu.
Berapa gaji he earns again Helen? And his HIndraf kakis in Malay Gomen, how much did they earn?
The salary of a timbalan menteri is public knowledge = RM10,848 (less than half the gaji of Speaker Selangor).
Please specify which Hindraf kaki you’re referring to, and we can try to guesstimate-match his salary against the standard civil service scale. They were not Pemandu consultants, you know.
Some of his Hindraf club members salaried by the Malay Gomen for the last 8 month he was in Office. Maybe you can ask him, Helen.
Like I said, please specify what job you think his “Hindraf club members” are salaried by the Gomen for doing.
Otherwise, from what it is public knowledge, they did not get a single sen of the budget they expected. And they did not get to hire a single Indian staff (to engage the Indian ground and thus requiring Tamil speakers) for the unit that they wanted to establish.
Waytha quit because the gomen refused to give him the budget and the staff.
What about his entourage yang dah masuk spanking office Malay Gomen for the past 8 months.
Please don’t tell me, Waytha buat kerja sorang-sorang. He must be home sick then!
Look, you’re the one making the allegation so you just specify lah, what job positions do you think his purported “entourage” are occupying.
If people can simply say anything, then I can also say that you have an entourage of five wives.
I really despise this gutter level of politics of simply fabricating stories (… about “entourage”…) that I thought Pakatan had sunk too but you are demonstrating that BN is no better.
Or why not you just turn up at his press conference tomorrow and ask him your question point blank — “how many staff did you bring along with you to the PMO?” Time: 11.30am, Venue: Jalan Tun Sambanthan Brickfields, 1st floor above Anjappar Restuarant
I’ll be at DBP tomorrow. I thought dia ada feed you on these things too. Apparently not. I tak simply tuduh Helen, Waytha with his Brussel pengalaman must have been brought some of his club members with him. I heard not that many anymore, is it?
It’s not true at all that Waytha Moorthy has an “entourage”. That’s a malicious lie.
I can (am able to) provide the real info but under the circumstances, if you wanted to know, it’d have been better that you – or any other person repeating the gossip – asked him in the presence of the reporters, and hear it from the horse’s mouth.
I’m truly appalled at the capacity of Malaysian to create vicious stories. The more people refuse to sieve al the rubbish they are told or is being spread, then all the easier it is for the political opportunists without a shred of conscience to cook up stories like 40,000 Bangladeshi voters and have these stories swallowed hook, line and sinker.
Why lah you wanna vie with @reginalah for the pleasure? Ladies first, so you give way to her, ok.
HAHAHA. Choi ha ley!
CORRECTION & CLARIFICATION:
re: “As far as I’m aware, the RM4.5 billion allocation is to be spread over the 5-year blueprint. So that makes less than one billion each year.”
At his press conference this morning, Waytha Moorthy said that he/Hindraf agreed to a budget of RM750 million for this year (2014).
The RM4.5 bilion per annum sum being quoted by Hindraf critics is what the group had initially sought but which Najib had not agreed to saying that the amount was too high.
The budget was to be renegotiated with the sum to be determined later by the 5-man Expert Steering Committee. None of it, however, materialized. So the bottomline is Budget zero, Special Unit staff zero given to Waytha.
Re. None of it, however, materialized. So the bottom line is Budget zero, Special Unit staff zero given to Waytha.
The point is, he wants the money under his purview which at this stage the PM is yet to have established full trust with him. He quit well ahead of 5 years plan, how could you plainly jump into conclusion that there is no budget.
What about the ongoing budget for SJKT? What about other existing budgets that have been approved for the Indians; and someone has posted it in here somewhere. It could have a matter of redundancy as well.
He himself, doesn’t have the planning, management and execution skills to begin with. To make it worst, he wants to be a hero on his own, without even trying to engage with other relevant party. Kalau Besar Kepala, siapa yang nak tolong. Sedangkan Anwar Ibrahim, Datuk Kamalia dan ramai lagi pun kena tendang. To quote Shadow Banker, he should learn to “Carry Balls”.
I know that you are trying to champion the poor Indian voices and I have always been with you ever since, tapi janganlah komen ikut emosi.
All the Indian followers are dead silent, and hoping you and the rest doing the talking for them…Sigh!!!!
re: “The point is, he wants the money under his purview which at this stage the PM is yet to have established full trust with him. He quit well ahead of 5 years plan, how could you plainly jump into conclusion that there is no budget.”
(a) After 10 months (the MoU was signed in April 2013), where is the sign of any budget?
(b) the PM is yet to have established full trust with him
Did the MoU say that its implementation can only commence when Party B (Hindraf) gains the “full trust” of Party A (Najib)? Is this how legally binding agreements work?
re: “What about the ongoing budget for SJKT? What about other existing budgets that have been approved for the Indians; and someone has posted it in here somewhere. It could have a matter of redundancy as well.”
Waytha clarified on this point during the press conference.
Contrary to the black propaganda being spread about RM4.5 billion, the budget agreed upon for the whole year of 2014 was RM750 million.
Itemised 2014 Blueprint budget:
1. Crime Prevention and Correction programs (RM50 million).
2. Self employment programs for single mothers, unemployed youths in jeopardy (RM50 million).
3. Microcredit program (RM20 million).
4. Small Business loans — TEKUN program (RM40 million).
5. Improvement programs for educational performance of Indian youths (RM40 million).
6. Tamil Primary schools location, relocation and upgrade (RM125 million).
7. University level scholarships for DEW children (RM25 million).
8. Skills training program (RM50 million).
9. Temple Burial Grounds and Land an related items (RM150 million).
10. Displaced Estate Workers economic programs (estimated — pending *ESC recommendations).
TOTAL = RM750 million
*ESC = Expert Steering Committee
You mention “the ongoing budget for SJKT” and its redundancy. Fine.
We’ll deduct the redundancy. RM750 million minus RM125 million Tamil schools minus minus RM40 million Tekun leaves the Hindraf-Blueprint budget at RM585 million.
Do you recall me mentioning earlier that Sleepy Dollah’s Monsoon Cup (sailing competition in the East Coast for the elite orang putih yachtmen) cost RM300 million?
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So the 2014 Hindraf Blueprint budget is less than TWICE the cost of the Monsoon Cup.
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Kos RM585 juta inipun tak nak disalurkan kerajaan untuk melaksanakan program-program yang akan memanfaatkan golongan belia India yang menganggur, ibu tunggal, yang perlukan pinjaman kecil, tuisyen dan bimbingan pelajaran, biasiswa, latihan kemahiran, ‘Felda’.
Tapi kos RM300 juta untuk manganjurkan Piala Monsoon, tak sesiapapun mempertikaikan.
Syabas atas pendekatan molek para pengkritik Hindraf.
re: “He himself, doesn’t have the planning, management and execution skills to begin with.”
Isn’t that the reason that he asked for staff to man the Special Unit?
Bottomline: Not a single sen given for any budget and not a single staff appointed for the unit to carry out the planning, management and execution.
re: “To make it worst, he wants to be a hero on his own, without even trying to engage with other relevant party.”
Signing the MoU is not engaging with the relevant party, meh?
You want Waytha to tumpang on the budget of KJ’s Sports Ministry is it, after Waytha has sufficiently engaged with Khairy and spent 5 years earning his “full trust”?
re: “Kalau Besar Kepala”
Sounds like you’re talking about the youngest Minister in Najib’s Cabinet and the one that Siti Nurhaliza tweeted about.
re: “Sedangkan Anwar Ibrahim, Datuk Kamalia dan ramai lagi pun kena tendang.”
What have Anwar and Kamalia got to do with the MoU that BN signed with Hindraf in April 2013?
re: “To quote Shadow Banker, he should learn to ‘Carry Balls’.”
re: “I know that you are trying to champion the poor Indian voices and I have always been with you ever since, tapi janganlah komen ikut emosi.”
I am commenting with facts. Waytha Moorthy had TWO staff he took to PMO from Hindraf.
Those commenting with emosi claim that he brought along an entourage of 700 Hindraf-ians to the PMO.
1. Crime Prevention and Correction programs (RM50 million).
What, How, Where? Are they going to build their own facility for correctional program or education and skill and training facilities?
2. Self employment programs for single mothers, unemployed youths in jeopardy (RM50 million).
Look at tekun project, there are Indians who are benefiting from it. The stress should be more on opportunity through Skills development and Tekun.
It is already a redundant, but the stress should be on access and availability/opportunity for the Indian. Affirmative Action.
3. Microcredit program (RM20 million).
Tekun is micro credit. There is also other existing micro credit project, the poor Indians may not be totally exposed about its availability.
It is already a redundant, but the stress should be on access and availability/opportunity for the Indian. Affirmative Action.
4. Small Business loans — TEKUN program (RM40 million).
As per 2 and 3 Above;
It is already a redundant, but the stress should be on access and availability/opportunity for the Indian. Affirmative Action.
5. Improvement programs for educational performance of Indian youths (RM40 million).
Redundancy. As per item 1.
6. Tamil Primary schools location, relocation and upgrade (RM125 million).
Redundancy. It is already in progress.
7. University level scholarships for DEW children (RM25 million).
It has been going on for years actually. The complain about placement is logic, but scholarship is rather not, for PTPTN is available and you have the opportunity to waive it with CGPA 3.75. MARA works on the same basis, it is not totally free. You have to prove your worth, unless you are a top scorer at SPM and STPM level.
Here is 2012 example, there are Indian recipients every year including last year:
Bank Negara tawar Biasiswa Kijang Emas 2012
You just can push those totally without merit into this category. I have commented before Royal Army Force together with one Private University with Twinning program with one UK university had started it since 2006. It was about 400 students a year I think. Still, last year a group of Indian students have been absorbed by a Polytechnic up north without merit. I don’t know why the GOMEN didn’t published this.
It is already a redundant, but the stress should be on access and availability/opportunity for the Indian. Affirmative Action.
8. Skills training program (RM50 million).
Again refer to item 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5.
9. Temple Burial Grounds and Land an related items (RM150 million).
This is just ridiculous, public cemetery is available for every races. Most Hindu are cremated upon death and ashes lay to rest at river or sea. Please check DBKL and burial ground issues.
What are other land related items?
Item 9 is highly debatable.
10. Displaced Estate Workers economic programs (estimated — pending *ESC recommendations).
Again please refer to 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5.
In this case however, low cost or affordable housing are more appropriate. The program is on going at federal level.
It is already a redundant, but the stress should be on access and availability/opportunity for the Indian. Affirmative Action.
By the look at it, is Wathya planning to build his own INDIAN Enterprise?
My suspicion is correct, he wants one lump sum, I was an analyst before and very familiar with project management, budgeting and cash flow. I can even tell you base on vertical and horizontal integration which item is a redundant and which is not.
Let us break the issue into small pieces and propose the solution. Can we agree that the bottom of pyramid issue (poorest of the poorest) among the Indian is wrt the Stateless Indian?
1. How many of them out there?
Some report claim around 200 thousands and there are others who claim close to 400 thousands.
2. Where are they?
Estates, Rural or Urban
3. How to identify them for sure?
The following are the inherent problems:
a. Many don’t have proper education/illiterate
b. Many don’t speak Malay
c. There are illegal immigrants from Indians
d. There children who either one of the parents are from India
4. What method are you going to use to identify them?
For the record the Gomen is currently finalizing the stateless Sabahan issue with census estimated around 390,000 individuals. (please check on this validity I am too lazy to google the exact number).
Thus the next course of action is engaging NRD and employing a team to do the census. ( Here is the first phase of budget is duly required).
5. How do you eliminate loophole or freeloaders from India?
I won’t be surprise if the population suddenly exploded to double fold due to item 3 (c).
Let us say that all have been resolved, the next sequential questions are:
6. What are their issues based on gender and group e.g. education, job, housing, social problem etc.
7. What are their needs based on gender and group e.g. education, job, housing, social problem etc.
Let us go back to Wathya Blue Print Budget, where do this group of people fit into the possible solutions:
8. Do they require relocation?
8.1 If the answer is yes, a new area needs to be identified and budget is needed; or can they fit into the existing Felda scheme or agropolitan project (bare in mind that they have no skill and education).
Education, Training, Job opportunity etc. will be dealt with accordingly depending on needs and these can be replicated/allocated from federal existing program.
8.2 If the answer is no. still budget is required where Education, Training, Job opportunity etc. will be dealt with accordingly depending on needs and these can be replicated/allocated from federal existing program.
9. The big question is with or without relocation, is the Gomen going to isolate them within their own group and indirectly marginalize them from the main stream society?
re : It is already a redundant, but the stress should be on access and availability/opportunity for the Indian. Affirmative Action.
this I agree with you. I can tell you how many times that the Indian youth was mis-infrom and when they know it truth getting angry with some leader because of their failing to inform them about certain facts.
For example, For the last couple of years, I think I already inform 30 young indian on the benefit of getting the PTPTN loan first and then getting the good CGPA. Some who already in the last semester really feeling down because not one of their Indian communities leader informing them about this fact.
Those who get the information early tend to work hard and some, when I met them again informed me that their PTPTN has been waived. It goes to show that the Indian youth too can perform better if they were giving the same chances and information likes others.
PTPTN loan value is higher than MARA Loan Value actually.
Yes it is. Those whom I meet rather thankful for the early informations. I got the feeling that this informations was not spreat out among the Indian communities. Those who know tend to keep it for themselves.
MIC should have informed their community.
I think both side should do their jobs. MIC and Hindraf both need to spread this information. Not MIC alone and not Hindraf alone…
Onus on MIC, methinks. They’ve always been in government. Since 1952.
And they control the Tamil newspapers.
Plus now they have 2 Ministers in Cabinet and 2 Deputy Ministers and a number of senators.
‘MIC should have informed their community.’
What if community DEGIL tak mahu listen? Easy said than done.
Re. Isn’t that the reason that he asked for staff to man the Special Unit?
Asking for staff is acceptable, but how many and to do what is another story.
Re. Bottomline: Not a single sen given for any budget and not a single staff appointed for the unit to carry out the planning, management and execution.
Read my previous comment regarding budget.
Re. Signing the MoU is not engaging with the relevant party, meh?
MoU is just the beginning, to make it happens is another story. There are many MoU “yang tak menjadi” out there because of in-pragmatic reason.
Re. You want Waytha to tumpang on the budget of KJ’s Sports Ministry is it, after Waytha has sufficiently engaged with Khairy and spent 5 years earning his “full trust”?
Why must you bring KJ in here, by looking at his list of plan, KJ is not the only person that he can approach, there are various other departments.
There are redundancy after redundancy in his plan at closer look btw. Again read my previous comment.
Re. Sounds like you’re talking about the youngest Minister in Najib’s Cabinet and the one that Siti Nurhaliza tweeted about.
Why do you think the followers in this blog abhor him, including yours truly? But the fact remains that he is a full minister with a budget to start with.
Re. What have Anwar and Kamalia got to do with the MoU that BN signed with Hindraf in April 2013?
If you don’t learn to carry balls and “tak sabar” sooner or later you are going to face the same fate.
Re. Like Regina?
Why do you think Regina is Happy there? Although, her sincerity, loyalty and trust towards UMNO is questionable (including her boss)
Re. I am commenting with facts. Waytha Moorthy had TWO staff he took to PMO from Hindraf.
The two staff are the new fact that I just found from you, but the rest are just hearsay from one party or the other. There is hardly any concrete fact other than the Blue Print and the RM750 million revised budget.
Read my previous comment and understand why this RM750 million is a redundant. Let’s discuss and argue it in details, to understand each other points. So that we can see a clear probable solution to this issue.
re: “Why must you bring KJ in here”
Because KJ is the Minister who implied that Waytha does not need a budget.
And because none of the other Ministers have their Ministries voluntarily staffed by Dapster interns who require no salary.
So Helen why don’t you dissect blow-blow points given by LOL up-thread. Maybe Waytha could help??
I’ve already given a close reply to LOL.
Which ones do you want clarification, can pls state?
re: I know that you are trying to champion the poor Indian voices and I have always been with you ever since, tapi janganlah komen ikut emosi.
If there’s one thing I admire and respect about Helen, its her ability to consistently keep a clear mind and respond unemotionally with facts – to insults to the intelligence.
I’d never have that kind of patience with disingenuousness.
re myself: If there’s one thing I admire and respect about Helen, its her ability to consistently keep a clear mind and respond unemotionally with facts – to insults to the intelligence.
Damn…that didn’t come out right!
Sorry Helen, let me rephrase. It should have been:
‘Among the many things I admire and respect about Helen is her ability to consistently keep a clear mind and respond unemotionally with facts – to insults to the intelligence.’
I was still bleary-eyed and sleep-stoned this morning when I posted.
I’m blaming this on the missus for letting us run out of Nescafe this morning.
I’m a retarded, incapacitated, zombie without my 2-3 mugs of potent morning java :(
Yes totally agree with you. But fact is fact.
I hope she will do many more writing wrt the poor of the Indian Community. As for me. I am keen to see development and progress over the case of stateless Indian in Malaysia particularly in Semenanjung. If the Gomen can swiftly work on the case of stateless Malaysian in Sabah, I see no reason why they can do the same here.
re: If the Gomen can swiftly work on the case of stateless Malaysian in Sabah, I see no reason why they can do the same here.
Saya percaya Encik Waytha sebagai Timbalan Menteri yang dilantik daripada pihak Hindraf (yang lantang menentang dan mengkritik kerajaan BN sebelum diberi jawatan itu) oleh PM Najib, melalui pintu expres Senator dan mengambilkira selepas tidak diindahkan langsung oleh Pakatan Rakyat, seharusnya tidak perlu bertindak terburu2 melepaskan jawatan itu.
Bukan semudah itu untuk Najib menawarkan jawatan kepada pihak penentang Kerajaan, ditambah lagi tidak semua pihak didalam BN terutama Umno dan MIC bersetuju dengan langkah tidak popular ini. Berdasarkan sifat2 munafik, chameleon dan bohong Anwar Ibrahim, tidak mungkinlah PR akan memberi seinci mukapun kepada Hindraf sekiranya mereka menang PRU13 lalu. Sebaliknya Najib yang membuka ruang.
Dengan bajet 4.5 bilion untuk 5 tahun yang diwar2kan oleh PM, Encik Waytha seharusnya bertindak memberi “the benefit of doubt” kepada PM untuk membuktikan bahawa dalam tempoh tersebut bajet itu akan dilaksanakan kelak. Berkenaan prosidur dan kaedah serta program, sudah tentulah Encik Waytha tidak boleh mengharapkan blank cheque dan express service semata2. MIC pun memerlukan 50 tahun untuk contribute to the Indian community albeit all the weaknesses.
Di peringkat awal (within the first year lah, katakan) semestinya banyak perkara2 administrative, planning, study and research and preliminaries dihabiskan sebelum hendak take-off dan implement bajet tersebut. Tentunya akan ada pelbagai red tapes, barriers, obstacles, sabotages, delays and so on yang akan diharungi oleh Encik Waytha (kerana beliau orang Hindraf), tetapi segala halangan itu perlu terima beliau sebagai challenges.
Malah bajet untuk tahun 2014 diakui 750 juta, tetapi baru pun memasuki Januari 2014 beliau sudah berputus asa dan letak jawatan! Jikalah beliau letak jawatan di akhir tahun 2014 dan mendakwa bahawa nothing was done for the poor Indians throughout the year dengan memberi fakta2 kepada pihak umum, saya bolehlah faham dan terima tindakan beliau itu. Ini tidak, baru 8 bulan dan diberi platform/bridge untuk achieve something, beliau cepat putus asa dan mengigit balik pula.
Orang lain, misalnya dari Perkasa yang bertungkus lumus menyokong BN tidak pun mendapat jawatan apa pun, beliau yang lantang menentang BN pula sebaliknya diberi jawatan yang besar itu. Jadi secara rasionalnya, saya amat tidak bersetuju dengan tindakan Encik Waytha.
Mungkin kedua2 belah pihak mempunyai alasan dan sebab2 yang munasabah, namun dengan bertindak meletak jawatan begitu cepat, Encik Waytha telah hilang sebab untuk menyalahkan PM Najib dalam isu ini.
8 bulan adalah waktu yang pendek, tak cukup setahun pun, dan untuk berhenti sedangkan tahun 2014 masih ada 11 bulan untuk work for the budget 750m yang begitu besar, sangat tidak cerdik.
Dan untuk meminta Najib meletak jawatan sebagai PM adalah merupakan sesuatu yang angkuh dan sombong. Sedangkan Najib yang terpilih melalui sistem demokrasi Malaysia pun tidak meminta Waytha yang beliau sendiri lantik, untuk resign!!!
Sekarang, tanpa jawatan tanpa bajet, Encik Waytha hanya mampu menyalak menyalahkan kerajaan untuk tempoh 4 tahun. Sudah tentu he will not be able to contribute anything to the Indian community selama tempoh itu. And who can guarantee that after PRU14, either BN or PR will provide him a second chance for a 4.5 billion budget? Anwar? Tokong Lim?
re: “Dengan bajet 4.5 bilion untuk 5 tahun yang diwar2kan oleh PM”
Maaf. Ia silap saya ketika menulis pada awalnya. Biar saya buat penjelasan sekali lagi.
Memang betul Hindraf telah meminta RM4.5 bilion untuk belanjawan setahun tetapi jumlah ini tidak diluluskan Najib atas alasan ia terlalu tinggi. Selepas dibuat perundingan, amaun RM750 juta dipersetujui kedua-dua pihak Hindraf and BN.
750 juta pun sudah memadai suatu bajet permulaan yang amat besar. Tidak bolehlah terlalu mengharapkan bajet berbilion2 pada peringkat awal apatah lagi Hindraf masih “under surveillance” untuk membuktikan trust dan komitmen kerjasama. Bila dua musuh bekerjasama dan pihak bukan musuh (MIC) pula perlu dijaga sensitiviti, maka Encik Waytha kenalah bersabar, bertoleransi dan berbenefit of doubt dahulu dengan tauke (Najib). Kena faham juga dilema antara Najib dan MIC.
Saya nak mohon bank loan yang perlu dibayar balik pun kadang2 tauke (Bank) ambil masa 4-5 bulan untuk proses, inikan pula geran 750 juta, sudah tentu prosesnya lebih lama dan perlu terperinci (sebab tak payah bayar balik dan must be utilised correctly). Nothing to lose to wait longer.
Maksud saya, tak kiralah 4.5 bilion atau 750 juta, ia adalah suatu mandat kepada Encik Waytha (penentang kerajaan) untuk direalisasikan. Walaupun it takes 5 years instead of 1 year, its already an achievement. But he dumped it away just like that. Nah sekarang bukan nak kata 750 juta, 7.5 juta pun tak ada. Dah lah tu, turut dihentam pulak oleh PR.
per: Maksud saya, tak kiralah 4.5 bilion atau 750 juta, ……………….
Kalau RM750 juta untuk 5 tahun, maka 1 tahun adalah RM150 juta. 8 bulan adalah RM100 juta. Tak silap saya Waytha kata sudah 8 bulan, tapi bajet langsung tiada
per: But he dumped it away just like that. Nah sekarang bukan nak kata 750 juta, 7.5 juta pun tak ada.
Maksudnya, kalau Waytha tiada dalam Kabinet Najib maka BN tak perlu lagi nak tolong orang India miskin?
The RM750 million budget requested was for 2014.
TOTAL = RM750 million
However Najib had already separately announced the Tamil school allocations, so we can deduct the overlap from the Hindraf blueprint (RM125 million) as well as deduct the RM40 million given to Tekun.
So this leaves the Hindraf-Blueprint budget at RM585 million for the whole year of 2014 which is less than the expenditure of two Monsoon Cups (RM300m yacht sailing event introduced by the Badawi administration during the reign of the 4th Floor boys).
Lu memang silap dalam hal ini lah gayanya. Jika dalam 8 bulan dikata tiada bajet, itu adalah untuk tahun 2013. Bagaimana pula dengan bajet 750 juta untuk 2014 yang sudah dipersetujui Najib?
Baru 1 bulan masuk tahun 2014 Encik Waytha sudah resign, bagaimana beliau nak menegakkan benang pada penghujung Disember nanti bahawa Najib mungkir janji? Sebab itulah saya kata beliau tidak cerdik untuk letak jawatan terlalu awal.
Umpama baru2 ini T-Team vs JDT ketinggalan 1-2 half-time berlaku insiden terowong (sebelum tahu salah siapa) tetapi T-Team bertindak melulu tarik diri 2nd half, kemudian melalak marahkan FAM apabila JDT declared the winner. Asus boleh tahukah sekiranya T-Team (Waytha) tidak tarik diri, pasukannya masih akan kalah pada penghujung perlawanan itu? Ini perumpamaan dituju khusus untuk mereka yang buat2 tak faham je lah.
“Maksudnya, kalau Waytha tiada dalam Kabinet Najib maka BN tak perlu lagi nak tolong orang India miskin?”
—-hanya orang yang dangkal akan bangkitkan persoalan seperti ini. What a tadika question lar.
re: “bajet 750 juta untuk 2014 yang sudah dipersetujui Najib”
Waytha/Hindraf tidak yakin Najib akan memberi perutukan yang dipersetujui itu.
Saya katakan “tidak yakin” adalah very lame excuse to quit. Ini kerana PM ada tempoh hingga Disember 2014 to deliver. Membuat pre-judgemental conclusion sedangkan tempoh bajet baru bermula January 2014 is just unjustifiable.
Then okay, jika by December 2014 PM failed to deliver the promised sum, maka bukan setakat “tidak yakin”, malah lebih dari itu Encik Waytha berhak mengecap PM sebagai “penipu” dan “tidak boleh dipercayai”. Dan saya kiasu akan sokong tindakan Encik Waytha untuk resign waktu itu, malah saya setuju PM yang mungkir janji lebih baik letak jawatan sahaja.
Kerana dalam kerajaan BN, seseorang PM yang lemah atau lembab macam Pak Lah misalnya akan didesak dan dipastikan melepaskan jawatan, dan Najib tidak terkecuali.
Berbeza dengan kerajaan PR Negeri Pasir Atas Langit yang mana “PM”nya terpalit dengan pelbagai pembohongan, korupsi, penipuan, skandal, janji dicapati, hipokrasi, manipulasi, caca merba tetapi tetap didokong semata2 kerana hendakkan kuasa.
re: “Membuat pre-judgemental conclusion sedangkan tempoh bajet baru bermula January 2014 is just unjustifiable.”
But the budget for 2014 was announced in Oct 2013. So by last year, Hindraf already knew that no allocation was given them.
The MoU was signed in April 2013 and Waytha was appointed to the PMO in June 2013. So there has been a full 10 months in which to evaluate BN’s sincerity.
Link kepada MOU telah diberikan oleh Helen di:
1. MOU bertarikh 18/4/13;
2. M/s 15 daripada 16 mengatakan ‘mewujudkan suatu unit baru di bawah Jabatan Perdana Menteri;
3. Waytha letak jawatan 10/2/13
Sudah hampir 10 bulan MOU ditandatangani. Sehingga hari Waytha letak jawatan, perkara paling asas dalam MOU iaitu mewujudkan unit baru di bawah JPM masih belum dilaksanakan. Bagaimana Waytha boleh berfungsi dan mengotakan MOU jika tiada unit baru, tiada bajet, tiada staff dan tiada autoriti? Andaikan Najib ‘meluluskan bajet’, ke mana bajet itu disalurkan jika tiada unit baru? Tak akan nak salur kepada nama peribadi Waytha?
Tak kira apa yang termaktub dalam MOU, perkara pertama adalah mewujudkan unit baru terlebih dahulu untuk ‘kick start’ perkara yang selanjutnya.
‘re: “Dengan bajet 4.5 bilion untuk 5 tahun yang diwar2kan oleh PM”
Maaf. Ia silap saya ketika menulis pada awalnya. Biar saya buat penjelasan sekali lagi.
Memang betul Hindraf telah meminta RM4.5 bilion untuk belanjawan setahun tetapi jumlah ini tidak diluluskan Najib atas alasan ia terlalu tinggi. Selepas dibuat perundingan, amaun RM750 juta dipersetujui kedua-dua pihak Hindraf and BN.’-Helen
So how does this justify you saying these…’The RM4.5 bilion per annum sum being quoted by Hindraf critics’, as if those quoted the amount had malice in their heart and mind?! The Evil Malays defending the Evil Malay Gomen???
And what about this?
‘As far as I’m aware, the RM4.5 billion allocation is to be spread over the 5-year blueprint. So that makes less than one billion each year.’
Of which you have clarified otherwise.
Is that was part of the Black Propaganda as claimed by Waytha himself as trying to paint him and Hindraf black?
How was you made aware of the figure to begin with? Do you care to clarify?
You know being a trained wartawan and all, did you get to clarify this with Hindraf or Waytha for that matter or did you get your feed from online links, just like most of us? And perhaps unlike most of us, you not being a wartawan to begin with, did you then clarify the online links before you made the argument your own?
How is that when you quoted it, it was not an act of evil smear campaign against Waytha and Hindraf but not ours?
Why the double standard?
The same goes when I hyperbole the whole entourage thingy with ‘(700 tu!), I did begin the comment wih the headlines of the links from malaysia-today which I have quoted. And add ‘Betul ke ni?’ and end it up with ‘Huh???’
Is that not asking question, asking you, being Waytha Warta and Hindraf Lover and stuff, to ascertain it? I did not simply accused going around the blogosphere brandishing that, or did I?
It ends with that comment, but you choose to extend the life of it by making it the contention of your new articles and harp about people trying to paint Waytha black. But you seems to ignore whatever Waytha wants you to ignore or didn’t you?
What about the things written about he gets to renovate his office as mention here (http://www.cikgushashi.com/?p=3978) did you get to ask him that? Did you get to ask him about this(http://www.cikgushashi.com/?p=3995&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter) too?
And what about the claims made that he had ‘demanded the government to set up an Indian community unit with 531 personnel and an annual allocation of RM70 million to cover the salaries and operation fees.’
Did you get to ask him about that, Helen? Is there any truth in it? Does Sin Chew was smearing Waytha too?
And what about the Malay Gomen committing genocide on the Indians, did you get to see their documented evidence on that, enough to know that these gangsters are not liars to begin with? And if you did, did you get to advice them to take the Malay Gomen to The Haque for the crimes against humanity that we have committed, anytime soon? Perhaps getting billions out of it as well from the Evil Malay Gomen!
I really hope you did, Waytha seems very much in need of that money, especially now!
re: “The Evil Malays defending the Evil Malay Gomen???”
Hey, you’re the one saying “Evil Malay Gomen”. I can assure you that never in my blog have I used the phrase “Evil Malay Gomen”.
re: “Is that was part of the Black Propaganda as claimed by Waytha himself as trying to paint him and Hindraf black?”
Yes, it is black propaganda. Because the agreed budget for 2014 is RM750 million.
The cybertroopers aligned with KJ’s tweets having been spreading that it is RM4.5 billion. The difference between RM4.5b and RM750m is a lot.
re: “How was you made aware of the figure to begin with? Do you care to clarify?”
Made aware of which figure — RM750m or RM4.5b?
re: “did you then clarify the online links before you made the argument your own?”
The KJ-inspired smear campaign spread the RM4.5b figure like wildfire throughout cyberspace. Therefore the quoted figure most popularly bandied about in the “the online links” is RM4.5b because ‘you people’ control cyberspace. The poor are voiceless.
e.g. The Ampang MRT line would cut through rich neighbourhoods and poor neighbourhoods.
Blogger Monyet King once noted:
re: “How is that when you quoted it, it was not an act of evil smear campaign against Waytha and Hindraf but not ours? Why the double standard?”
Uh, again, what I quoted? Please clarify.
On my part, let me explain again: When the agreed budget is RM750 million for the year 2014 but the Khairy-inspired smear campaign goes around screaming that it is RM4.5 billion, that’s the same kind of exaggeration claiming that Waytha wanted a Hindraf entourage of 700 in his gomen office when all he had of his own hand-picked Hindraf people was two office staff and one driver.
[I’ll reply the latter half of your comment in Part 2.]
re: “The same goes when I hyperbole the whole entourage thingy with ‘(700 tu!)”
The number “700” may be a hyperbole but the damage to his image is from the word “entourage”, and that’s black propaganda.
re: “Is that not asking question, asking you, being Waytha Warta and Hindraf Lover and stuff, to ascertain it?”
It may be even 20 staff or 200 (hyperbole) but to put out the false idea that Waytha is moving around with an entourage is to inflict damage to his reputation.
re: “Waytha seems very much in need of that money, especially now!”
Why do you say this?
Re. Why do you say this?
His motivation is MONEY. Even with that ridiculous RM3 Trillion claim from the British Government to start with. There is nothing wrong about that but the motive behind it is questionable. He (or his brother please correct me on this) came back from self-exile in the UK after living on donation money (allegedly) as the funds was running out.
They are not from people who means, they don’t have the connection, network and support like others. The only have the poor Indian voice that they spin around over and over again. What have they achieved thus far? Name me a single issue and let’s debate on it.
The same case with RPK, he turned coat after funds stop coming and now he is vilifying the opposition.
Money is a dangerous thing. Once a group of Felda settlers sued the GOMEN and won RM3 Million ( I think), but got pittance as the bulk of the money goes back to legal coat i.e. Lawyer and guess who the lawyer is?
Re: “They are not from people who means”
Waytha and his wife have their own legal practice. He qualified from Lincoln’s Inn and his wife from Gray’s Inn. You think they’re not professionals, meh?
re: “they don’t have the connection, network and support like others. The only have the poor Indian voice that they spin around over and over again”
So two lawyers from the prestigious Inns of Court prefer to be the voice of the Indian poor rather than play golf to hook up with the support network that will earn them “connection and network”.
re: “Name me a single issue and let’s debate on it.”
Go ahead, name your issue and share what MIC (gomen) has done on it.
re: “The same case with RPK, he turned coat after funds stop coming and now he is vilifying the opposition.”
Raja Petra said [Malaysian] Christians are the biggest hypocrites on earth.
re: “guess who the lawyer is?”
Dunno. Please do enlighten us on who the lawyer is.
Re. You think they’re not professionals, meh?
I meant people with money.
Re. So two lawyers from the prestigious Inns of Court prefer to be the voice of the Indian poor rather than play golf to hook up with the support network that will earn them “connection and network”.
They are two separate things. The later will make the earlier much easier to deal with.
Re. Go ahead, name your issue and share what MIC (gomen) has done on it.
I have stated a few, among others One House One Professionals, Royal Military Force and Private University College, the Indian students absorbed in Polytechnic Up North.
Even Sarah has also commented about PTPTN.
There is nothing new that Wathya can bring to the table if his main motivation is money, while issues are not dealt with in pragmatic and systematic manner. I have commented on this earlier.
Re. Raja Petra said [Malaysian] Christians are the biggest hypocrites on earth.
He also said that last time Rosmah was at the scene of the murder case ( via a letter or something) but then spin it. He is a spin doctor, he goes where the money takes him. Right now he wants to come back thus all the news against the oppo. and the likes.
Re. Dunno. Please do enlighten us on who the lawyer is.
These are list of news.
Bila saya cakap awak komen ikut emosi, awak kata tidak.
re: “I meant people with money.”
So you’re saying Waytha & his wife, although both qualified from Lincoln’s Inn and Gray’s Inn, and are practising lawyers with their own legal firm actually have no money.
Meanwhile another commenter asus says @ 2014/02/23 at 12:58 pm thae he estimates Waytha to have “sacrificed a potential income of RM2.6 mil” from his salaries as Deputy Minister and Senator.
If Waytha is motivated by money as you keep repeating ad nauseum, wouldn’t he have stayed on in Najib’s administration and collected his Deputy Minister and Senator’s pay?
re: “They are two separate things. The later will make the earlier much easier to deal with.”
So these two London-qualified lawyers have chosen not to spend their time connecting and networking (doing golf and that sort of thing) which can help them cultivate the right contacts to help them make money. Instead they are putting in their time to be the voice of the poor.
But at the same time, you keep repeating ad nauseum Waytha is “motivated by money”. Nice logic you have LOL.
re: “I have stated a few, among others One House One Professionals, Royal Military Force and Private University College, the Indian students absorbed in Polytechnic Up North.”
Thanks. If it would not be too much to ask, can pls provide article url that reports with some data?
re: “There is nothing new that Wathya can bring to the table if his main motivation is money, while issues are not dealt with in pragmatic and systematic manner.”
If his main motivation was money, (1) he’d be golfing to cultivate the networking and connections that you mention, and (2) he keep his Ministerial and Senatorial jobs which asus calculated will net him RM2.6 million not to mention other perks like driver and Proton Accord. And the nice-looking office in Putrajaya that islam1st mentioned.
re: “He is a spin doctor, he goes where the money takes him. Right now he wants to come back thus all the news against the oppo. and the likes.”
Urm, you don’t believe that it is Raja Petra’s genuine opinion that Malaysian Christians are the biggest hypocrites on the planet?
re: “Please do enlighten us on who the lawyer is. / These are list of news.”
Are you saying it is Sivarasa?
re: “Bila saya cakap awak komen ikut emosi, awak kata tidak.”
Orang yang cakap ikut emosi kata Waytha is motivated by money.
Re. So you’re saying Waytha & his wife, although both qualified from Lincoln’s Inn and Gray’s Inn, and are practising lawyers with their own legal firm actually have no money.
They are not trust funds babies. Not enough funds to work on their philanthropic course. Why the need for donation earlier on with their course then? Why the brouhaha over the accounts then? Why the alleged coming back from self-exile due funds is running out then?
Re. Meanwhile another commenter asus says @ 2014/02/23 at 12:58 pm thae he estimates Waytha to have “sacrificed a potential income of RM2.6 mil” from his salaries as Deputy Minister and Senator.
Why did he resign in the first place? Isn’t it about budget @ money.
Re. If Waytha is motivated by money as you keep repeating ad nauseum, wouldn’t he have stayed on in Najib’s administration and collected his Deputy Minister and Senator’s pay?
Listen to yourself as well on this issue. I at least have given my justification about the redundancy, systematic and pragmatic issue of the budget.
But you keep harping about that salary.
Re. But at the same time, you keep repeating ad nauseum Waytha is “motivated by money”. Nice logic you have LOL.
And you keep repeating that it is not, while I have justified comment before. Budget is not money?
Re. Thanks. If it would not be too much to ask, can pls provide article url that reports with some data?
Didn’t I tell you much earlier, even before this exploded that I wonder why the GOMEN didn’t publish it. You have even agreed on this in few entries before.
Nice try Helen.
Re. Orang yang cakap ikut emosi kata Waytha is motivated by money.
Listen to yourself again Helen. I at least have justified my comment about it wrt redundancy, systematic and pragmatic reason. Budget is not money?
Re. Urm, you don’t believe that it is Raja Petra’s genuine opinion that Malaysian Christians are the biggest hypocrites on the planet?
Listen to yourself again. I am stating fact wrt his character and motivation, it is not about whether I agree or disagree about his POV.
Re. If his main motivation was money, (1) he’d be golfing to cultivate the networking and connections that you mention, and (2) he keep his Ministerial and Senatorial jobs which asus calculated will net him RM2.6 million not to mention other perks like driver and Proton Accord. And the nice-looking office in Putrajaya that islam1st mentioned.
You totally lost it this time. Here I am trying to put things into perspective by looking at all possible scenario through logic and my own observation and experience, but you keep twisting and turning the fact by putting unrelated things together.
Please read my comment about redundancy and the possible small case scenario of stateless Indian. Again is Budget is not about Money?
Please read any article about Network Perspective, it is not about golfing and leisure, it is about people, agencies with power and resources that you can combine to make things happen. You can call it strategic alliance as well. This is what Whatya fails to establish to gain legitimacy.
I think you are mistaken that I am calling him MONEY FACE or UP FOR THE MONEY HIMSELF. My POV is based on the trust that he is yet to gain to manage the money. Hence, my comment about money is a dangerous thing.
Please retrace all my comment before this.
re: “Why the brouhaha over the accounts then? Why the alleged coming back from self-exile due funds is running out then?”
(1) You forget that there were 5 ISA detainees with the husbands in jail (who have wives and kids). The fund collection was done in Malaysia.
The government has never accused Waytha in London of receiving money that was transferred to him from Malaysia.
The “brouhaha” is the same kind of rumours that the smear campaigners are capable of spreading about RM25 million diamond rings.
(2) re: “Why did he resign in the first place? Isn’t it about budget @ money.
Listen to yourself on this issue. You keep harping on money, money, money. Doesn’t every Ministry have its own budget? Agencies in the PMO have their budgets — see list of PMO agencies, https://helenang.wordpress.com/2014/02/20/a-mere-10-indian-vote-swing-will-lose-bn-five-seats/#comment-72937
Don’t the other ministers operate with a budget too?
He resigned because the BN breached its contract signed with Hindraf.
re: “Listen to yourself as well on this issue. I at least have given my justification about the redundancy, systematic and pragmatic issue of the budget.”
Listen to yourself going round and round the same loop. I already acknowledge the “redundancy”.
In several replies I’ve deducted the from the Hindraf proposed budget (i) allocation for Tamil schools announced separately by Najib and (ii) allocation for Tekun.
Which, after deducting RM165 million for items (i) & (ii) above from Hindraf’s proposed RM750 million budget, leaves the Blueprint costing RM585 million for the year 2014. Hindraf’s requested annual budget is less than the cost of two Monsoon Cups — the yacht sailing event initiated during Sleepy Dol’s administration by the 4th floor boys.
re: “But you keep harping about that salary.”
This above reply to you is the first time that I’ve brought up his salary because you claim that Waytha is “motivated by money”.
re: “And you keep repeating that it is not, while I have justified comment before. Budget is not money?”
Ministry budget and minister’s salary are two separate things.
In my previous articles, I mentioned that Hannah Yeoh’s gaji pokok as Speaker would have been RM22,500. It is HER income (her own money hard-earned by spreading all that hate). I do not argue that Hannah Yeoh as an Adun is given RM1 million to spend on her constituency. That’s her work budget. They’re different matters.
You keep repeating that Waytha is motivated by money. In that case, you should be saying that he’d have kept his RM360,000 per annum salaries (estimated by ‘asus’).
What is making the Hindraf Indians is this kind of double standards that is being displayed now where the powerful are bullying the powerless.
Not a single one of ‘you’ questioned Khairy’s Ministry budget of his Ministerial income even though he was said by Kit Siang in Parliament as the world’s richest unemployed 28-year-old, and the perwakilan Pemuda Umno in 2009 kept shouting “KJ rasuah, KJ rasuah!”.
But you all have no qualms in spreading the KJ tweets that Waytha is chasing money.
re: “I wonder why the GOMEN didn’t publish it. You have even agreed on this in few entries before. Nice try Helen.”
Even if the gomen doesn’t publish, there is nothing to stop you from giving us the article url links that report on what you claim.
re: “Listen to yourself again Helen. I at least have justified my comment about it wrt redundancy, systematic and pragmatic reason. Budget is not money?”
I’m very patiently listening to you repeat yourself ad nauseum. See above where I’ve already factored in the redundancy you bring up by deducting the SRJK(T) and Tekun allocations announced separately by Najib. As for your repetitive chant that “Budget is Money”, yes it is.
The Ministry of Youth and Sports has a big budget. I hope that all of those agreeing with your logic will also repeat ad nauseum “Khairy is motivated by money, Khairy is motivated by money, Khairy is motivated by money” because budget is money and KBS has a big budget.
The more the BN side keeps up this bullying, the more Pakatan is able to exploit the Indian wave. Then when BN is kicked out of Putrajaya, the budget for Monsoon Cups will go to Dapster ministers.
re: “Listen to yourself again. I am stating fact wrt his character and motivation, it is not about whether I agree or disagree about his POV.”
Everybody must listen to LOL who can accurately read Mr W and Mr R’s “character and motivation”. Are you using the gadget that was invented by Haris Ibrahim called the Integrity Meter?
re: “You totally lost it this time. Here I am trying to put things into perspective by looking at all possible scenario through logic and my own observation and experience, but you keep twisting and turning the fact by putting unrelated things together.”
And you have lost yourself in your repetition that Waytha is “motivated by money”. Aside from this accusation, I do not see where else your obeservation comes in.
re: “Please read my comment about redundancy and the possible small case scenario of stateless Indian. Again is Budget is not about Money?”
Listen to yourself … for the nth time.
re: “I think you are mistaken that I am calling him MONEY FACE or UP FOR THE MONEY HIMSELF.”
You should retrace your own comments.
re: “My POV is based on the trust that he is yet to gain to manage the money.”
When you go into cabinet, you’re going into a set-up where the operations require money. You can say that Muhyiddin has Najib’s trust because they have been in past cabinets together.
But KJ is a new minister. Nobody’s demanding that Khairy earns the trust first before his Kementerian Belia is given any money to operate.
By quitting after just 8 months, Encik Waytha has no ammunition to blame Najib on any defect regarding the 4.5 billion budget over the next 4 years. Had he stayed on, he would have the status-quo to go on shooting spree if Najib fails to deliver what was promised. 4 years is a very short time.
As it is, Encik Waytha has shot himself on the feet.
per: MIC pun memerlukan 50 tahun untuk contribute to the Indian community albeit all the weaknesses.
Orang Indian sudah ketinggalan begitu lama. Masih mahu tunggu berapa lama lagi? Sebab itu, Waytha kata 8 bulan sudah cukup untuk menilai keikhlasan Najib.
per: Di peringkat awal (within the first year lah, katakan) semestinya banyak perkara2 administrative, planning, study and research and preliminaries dihabiskan sebelum hendak take-off dan implement bajet tersebut.
BN sudah jadi kerajaan 50 lebih tahun. Tak kan masih tak faham kesusahan orang India? Masih nak buat planning dan study?
per: Tentunya akan ada pelbagai red tapes, barriers, obstacles, sabotages, delays and so on yang akan diharungi oleh Encik Waytha (kerana beliau orang Hindraf), tetapi segala halangan itu perlu terima beliau sebagai challenges.
AP boleh diberi terus kepada AP Kings tanpa red tape. Kontrak boleh dirunding dan diberi terus diberi tanpa tender di buat.
per: Orang lain, misalnya dari Perkasa yang bertungkus lumus menyokong BN tidak pun mendapat jawatan apa pun,…………
Perkasa patut belajar dari Hindraf. Minta Perkasa masuk kontrak/perjanjian yang mempunyai kesan undang-undang dengan BN. Bukan macam Hindraf yang buat MOU yang tiada kesan undang-undang dengan BN. Contoh terbaik, perjanjian konsesi lebuhraya. Kalau tak bagi naik kadar tol, syarikat konsesi boleh minta ganti rugi atau saman kerajaan di mahkamah. Terbaru, BN terpaksa bayar ganti rugi RM400 juta.
Senangnya lu pick and hit.
Tidak semua orang India yang senang dan pertengahan sekarang asalnya dari golongan senang. Over 50 years, MIC and BN made these sons of rubber tappers into doctors, engineers, businessmen, consultants, lecturers…..lu blind or blurr asus?
8 months cukup untuk nilai keikhlasan Najib. U kidding? It should be Najib who should nilai Encik Waytha. Siapa yang lantik siapa ni? Baru 1 bulan in 2014 sudah quit, how to nilai whether the 750m for 2014 was utilised by end 2014?
Planning and study? Why not lu include administrative juga? Its not about planning just by BN, but surely by Waytha too. Lu ingat gomen can just throw the 750m fund to Encik Waytha without knowing where and what the money would be channeled/used for? Hello, this is not Anwar or PR gomen wat.
AP to AP Kings and direct tender awards? What has AP got to do with 750m to Encik Waytha? If you think AP are given free and have not contributed anything at all to the Bumiputra wealth, boleh lah lu apply and then goyang kaki juga. Have you apply any AP from gomen? Did they reject your application? Did those AP holders got it free and do not have to open showrooms and sell cars? So before u make yourself look very prejudiced, try a better comparison lar.
And kontrak dirunding diberi terus tanpa tender. Itu adalah salah satu kaedah tender oleh kerajaan BN selama berpuluh2 tahun. Dalam dunia ini, adakah BN satu2 nya yang mempraktikkan kaedah ini? You must be lying thru your teeth if you think so. And the fact is you probably have voted for BN because of this, but unfortunately for you, BN masih menjadi kerajaan so lu swallow lah cara mereka. Masalah dengan lu ialah kerajaan PR terutama idola mereka Tokong Lim pun melakukan perkara sama tetapi orang hipokrit macam lu buat2 buta tentang itu. Ada lu komen pasal tender UnderseaTunnel? Itu lagi teruk, kononnya ada tender, tetapi diberi kepada yang tidak masuk tender.
And lu fikir orang macam Anwar tidak akan mengulangi kaedah kontrak runding terus tanpa tender ini? Maybe you are still in tadika when DPM aka Finance Minister Anwar awarded billions of Direct Contracts to Kontractor Kelas A Wibawa most of whom were his cronies, Kam J included. Oh lu hypocrite mana tahu cerita ini semua. What goes around comes around. Lagi lu mau support these hypocrite liars.
Yang lain2 tu, lu pikir2 le sendiri. Kerana to justify to hypocrites sebelah mata nampak like you, is like bercakap dengan batu. Lu pick up what u dont like to read and then comments selectively. U meant benda lain yang u tak pick up u agree with it? Kelakarlah.
And again about your “kontrak lantik terus tanpa tender” , please tell me from the 250 plus countries that exist today, which country did not practice it? Please name just 10% of the 250 sudah lah, ok? Just this question.
re: Senangnya lu pick and hit
Itu memang cara saya respond. Sama macam gaya Helen dan pembaca lain.
re: Over 50 years, MIC and BN made these sons of rubber tappers into doctors, engineers, businessmen, consultants, lecturers
Itu saya tak nafi. Hindraf sekarang ini perjuangkan untuk golongan miskin India yang tercicir. Bukannya golongan yang sudah berjaya.
re: It should be Najib who should nilai Encik Waytha.
Already agreed in the MOU to set up a unit. Refer here:
“Why was the new unit to handle Indian affairs not set up as agreed upon in the MOU even after eight months of Waythamoorthy being in office and after 16 meetings held with the Prime Minister himself?
Perkara yang sudah ‘agree’ oleh Najib sampai sekarang pun tak buat? Mungkin 8 bulan adalah tempoh yang pendek? Nak suruh Waytha tunggu 8 bulan lagi? Atau 8 tahun?
re: Lu ingat gomen can just throw the 750m fund to Encik Waytha without knowing where and what the money would be channeled/used for?
Mau study apa lagi? BN sudah jadi kerajaan 50 tahun lebih. Masih tak tau apa kekurangan masyarakat India yang miskin? Masih tak tau sekolah mana yang perlukan bantuan atau kawasan perkampungan India yang tiada air dan elektrik?
re: AP and direct award of contract
I am not suggestion any wrong-doing. My point is the government has all the means to simplify processes and reduce bureaucracy if it wants to. On the other hand, the government can also complicate matters and create red tapes.
One question for you. If BN is sincere, why enter into MOU with Hindraf? Why not a binding agreement that has legal implications? So that Hindraf can hold BN responsible for any breach. Hence my toll concession example above.
As a senator and Tim Menteri, Waytha would earn RM30k per month. RM360k per year. Assuming he serve a full 6 years, i.e. 2 terms of Senator he would earn RM2.16 mil. Not to mention benefits like nice office, driver, official car, bonus, pension, datoship etc etc. Why is he sacrificing all these and offend BN by resigning? Now he offended both BN and PR and Hindraf has to go alone. And he cannot sue BN for breach as the document is MOU.
Tak payah le jawab panjang2 sebab saya pun tak pandai sangat nak re-jawab argumen damage control u yang berputar2 tu. Straight argument requires straight answer, itu je. Hindraf nak tolong India miskin sahaja bukan India kaya, semua orang tahu, u tahu, saya pun tahu. Tapi u lupa bila u jawab komen saya:-
per: MIC pun memerlukan 50 tahun untuk contribute to the Indian community albeit all the weaknesses.-Orang Indian sudah ketinggalan begitu lama. Masih mahu tunggu berapa lama lagi?
—maksudnya u implying semua Indians before this ketinggalan begitu lama seolah2 MIC/BN tidak pernah contribute those poor Indians to become doctors, orang senang, etc etc selama ini lar, dan hanya baru sekarang muncul Hindraf untuk perjuangkan orang India miskin. Seolah2 semua orang India di Malaysia sejak begitu lama sejak dahulu sampai sekarang semuanya masih miskin dan tiada pun yang pernah ditolong menjadi orang senang! Give credit when it is due lar kawan.
Pasal AP, bolehlah u cover line with your “my point is” tu, tetapi pasal “Contract without Tender” u langsung bisu. The point is, your intention was to discredit BN gomen on these ap/tender things, tetapi bila pointed out the merits of ap dan kaedah tender itu juga diamal oleh semua kerajaan, termasuk kerajaan hipokrit negeri Selangor, Kelantan dan Selangor, u divert and bisu pula.
Saya tanya u satu soalan senang (my last para), kalau u tak boleh atau tak mau jawab tak apa lah, tapi tak payah lah u ganti dengan soalan lain pulak. Sebab saya tak pandai jawab soalan yang berputar2.
Jadi betullah kontrak tanpa tender diamalkan oleh semua kerajaan termasuk kerajaan hipokrit PR sendiri. Betul ya. Tak perlu hipokrit lah ya.
Maksud saya ketika menggunakan contoh AP dan Direct Nego dalam Tender adalah menunjukkan kerajaan jika mempunyai kehendak, kerajaan boleh ‘meringkaskan proses’ dan memastikan bahawa ‘beneficiaries’ menerima AP dan kontrak dengan lebih cepat dan mudah. Tak kira sama ada BN atau PR atau negara luar. Terpulang kepada kerajaan yang memerintah sama ada nak buat direct nego atau competitive bidding/tender. Sepatutnya, bajet yang dipersetujui dalam MOU Hindraf juga boleh menggunakan kaedah express di atas untuk memastikan golongan miskin India terbela. Contoh seperti MARA. Wujudkan agensi/jabatan khas yang mempunyai objektif khusus. Ataupun Pemandu, Talent Corp etc etc.
Kiranya saya sudah merespon soalan anda: please tell me from the 250 plus countries that exist today, which country did not practice it?
Seterusnya, minta anda jawab persoalan ini:-
1. If BN is sincere, why enter into MOU with Hindraf? Why not a binding agreement that has legal implications? So that Hindraf can hold BN responsible for any breach.
2. As a senator and Tim Menteri, Waytha would earn RM30k per month. RM360k per year. Assuming he serve a full 6 years, i.e. 2 terms of Senator he would earn RM2.16 mil. Not to mention benefits like nice office, driver, official car, bonus, pension, datoship etc etc. Why is he sacrificing all these and offend BN by resigning? Now he offended both BN and PR and Hindraf has to go alone. And he cannot sue BN for breach as the document is MOU.
3. Diambil dari soalan Helen:
Saya pun ada tanya pada dema: Kalau PM sudah setuju dan menetapkan bajet anggaran RM750 juta, kenapa Senator Waytha mahu meletak jawatan.
4. Diambil dari http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2014/02/21/hindraf-hits-out-at-umno-over-absurd-excuses/
Why was the new unit to handle Indian affairs not set up as agreed upon in the MOU even after eight months of Waythamoorthy being in office and after 16 meetings held with the Prime Minister himself?
“Perkara yang sudah ‘agree’ oleh Najib sampai sekarang pun tak buat. Nak suruh Waytha tunggu 8 bulan lagi? Atau 8 tahun?”
– dalam tempoh 8 bulan, Najib agree beri bajet 750 juta. Untuk beri bajet permulaan sebesar itu kepada Hindraf yang anti Kerajaan, that is a huge achievement already for 2013.
– bajet itu dipersetujui untuk tahun 2014. Bererti between January 2014 to December 2014, bajet itu perlu dibelanjakan untuk perkara2 yang dipersetujui. Bukannya untuk 2013 or 2014.
– belum apa2 lagi bulan Januari Encik Waytha sudah berhenti. “Sampai sekarang pun tak buat”? Loh, kalau sekarang ialah Desember atau Julai 2014 logik le persoalan ini, tapi sekarang tu baru Januari. So how could you conclude or assume that between February to December pun akan tidak buat? U are just assuming. Saya sudah sebut bagilah benefit of doubt to Najib sebab dia yang kena deliver peruntukan itu. Dan sudah tentu juga kena ikut prosidur dan tatacara disbursement yang proper. U purposely ignore this.
– 8 bulan Encik Waytha boleh tunggu to achieve the agreed fund, takkan lah tak boleh tunggu another 11 bulan to see thru the implementation/disbursement if the 750 juta tu. Lu ingat duit tu sikit ke.
—Atau 8 tahun? Siapa yang expect Encik Waytha tunggu sampai 8 tahun, u sendiri ke ? sebab u yang suggest begitu, sedangkan saya clearly state tunggulah sampai End of 2014, baru tahu Najib mungkir janji atau tidak. U tak boleh main game tidak ikhlas, tidak yakin atau tidak percaya until u finish the game. 11 bulan je kawan, bukan 8 tahun seperti saranan u.
“Now he offended both BN and PR and Hindraf has to go alone”
— tak perlu lah pusing2 pasal gaji berjuta Encik Waytha dan “sacrify” beliau tu. Kalau dia tidak melakukan perkara tidak cerdik dengan berhenti terlalu awal tu, sudah tentu beliau boleh menjerit, memekik dan melolong sepanjang tahun ini supaya didengar oleh kita semua untuk memastikan janji Najib 750 juta ditunaikan. Sekarang nah, he has to go alone, dah tentu dia tak mampu lagi membantu India miskin yang tercicir itu.
Tunggu 11 bulan sahaja, buat apa sampai 8 tahun. Tahu pun lu.
.” Bukannya untuk 2013 or 2014.”
Correction: . “Bukannya untuk 2013 or 2015.”
Saya pun ada tanya pada dema: Kalau PM sudah setuju dan menetapkan bajet anggaran RM750 juta, kenapa Senator Waytha mahu meletak jawatan.
Jawapan yang diberitahu kepada saya ialah Hindraf tidak yakin kerajaan mempunyai niat untuk menunaikan janji.
Contohnya, sila baca posting berikut tentang bajet JPM, https://helenang.wordpress.com/2014/02/23/bajet-jabatan-perdana-menteri-ialah-rm16-45-bilion/
Sebagai perbandingan, Pemandu dibenar untuk menggaji 123 orang kakitangan yang bergaji mahal-mahal semua. Seperti diketahui kita, Waytha ada dua orang sahaja kakitangan yang dibawa masuk ke PMO iaitu SUSK (setiausaha sulit kanan) dan SUS (setiausaha sulit) berserta drebarnya.
Pemandu telah memakan kos RM250 juta pada tahun lepas (2013).
Sila rujuk bajet Idris Jala, https://helenang.wordpress.com/2014/01/15/the-rm13-billion-ministry/
Justeru terlalu banyak aral melintang, maka Hindraf memutuskan bahawa Putrajaya tidak memiliki political will untuk menjayakan Blueprint mereka itu.
“Hindraf tidak yakin”
– saya fikir alasan ini tidak cukup kuat untuk Encik Waytha berhenti dengan begitu cepat.
Walaupun mengambil masa hingga 8 bulan, sekurang2nya beliau sudah satu langkah ke hadapan iaitu “achieve a whopping beginning allocation of 750millions for 2014 agreed by PM”.
Langkah susulan kedua ialah “to pursue the disbursement and implementation of the said 750m right to the end of 2014”. Tetapi silapnya beliau quit in January before seeing thru the fund commited by PM. Cuma 11 bulan sahaja Helen. Tak perlu pun sampai 8 tahun seperti disebut oleh tuan asus.
By January 2015, kalau Najib terbukti mungkir janji, barulah wajar Encik Waytha letak jawatan, kutuk PM dan sebagainya, malah kita semua harus terima, sokong dan bersetuju dengan tindakan Waytha. Tapi tindakan melulu mendahului masa ini yang saya pertikaikan, semata2 kerana “tidak yakin”.
Yang setuju lantik dan beri bajet ialah PM, so kenalah beri beliau benefit of doubt. Yang nak terima bajet ialah Encik Waytha, jadi kenalah sabar, beri masa dan beri peluang kerana nothing to lose pun. Sepatutnya yang tidak yakin ialah Najib, tetapi ini dah terbalik.
11 bulan sahaja lagi, bukan 8 tahun pun. Masa berlalu pantas, tak rugi pun tunggu hingga habis tempoh bajet. So sekarang sudah resigned, Encik Waytha hilanglah official platform to pursue the budget from within. Kalau dah pilih to confront from outside, maka lagi lama lah kena tunggu, iaitu 4 tahun. Itupun tiada jaminan BN or PR will give Hindraf a second chance.
Yang dikendong berciciran, yang dikejar tak dapat.
“Tidak Yakin dengan Janji” dan “Tidak Deliver Janji” adalah berbeza, lebih2 lagi tempoh janji (jan-dec 2014) masih panjang pun.
re: “Cuma 11 bulan sahaja Helen.”
Waytha resigned in mid-Feb, so it is 10-and-half months to end 2014.
But from the signing of the MoU in April 2013 to the time of his resignation, it has been 10 months. Nothing was moving.
re: “Apparently he wants to be the Boss, with his own entourage (700 tu!) and billions to play with?! Huh???”
Sounds like you’re describing KJ and his KIPAS-KIPAS entourage … Ibdil Instagram #lifestyle, gushing-tweeting @reginalah and …
TMI who are promoting KJ as the trustee of Putrajaya (see http://dinturtle.blogspot.com/2014/02/jika-yakin-tmi-suara-pembangkang.html)
Haha, I just might! Haha. Waytha must be please with you Helen…
Well, I really hope that you are nothing to do with KJ.
@Reginalah belum made contact lagi Helen. Either way I have my proposal ready. ;)
I wonder if Dr Mahathir’s advice for Anwar Ibrahim staffers to be careful (and watch their back) should apply to you or other persons wishing to work for/alongside Anwar 2.0.
watch their back side you mean? Some merican gossip, you tak pernah dengar ke?
For once, pls don’t divert your attention to KJ when people ask you about Waytha.
Now there’s some truth in the claim made by KJ that Waytha wanted to corner all allocations to Indians. What made Waytha think that he represented the whole Indian community?
And ni sane govt or private entity would allocate a budget exclusively for one person to handle.
Why the blind devotion to Waytha, I can’t comprehend. But again, it’s the same irony befallen the 90% org Cina who think LGE and LKS are gods.
re: “For once, pls don’t divert your attention to KJ when people ask you about Waytha.”
re: “Now there’s some truth in the claim made by KJ that Waytha wanted to corner all allocations to Indians. What made Waytha think that he represented the whole Indian community?”
He wanted the allocations as agreed to and provided for by the MoU enabling the blueprint to be implemented. Please read the MoU, http://www.hindraf.co/index.php/news-statements/1168-mou-hindraf-bn
re: “And ni sane govt or private entity would allocate a budget exclusively for one person to handle.”
That’s a lie. There was to be a 5-man expert steering committee to comprise two reps nominated by Najib, two by Hindraf and one chairman (frontrunner nominee Tan Sri Mohd Nor Yakob).
Then the structure of the unit was that it was going to be headed by a Director-General, and on the next level the Directors of the different branches of the unit and their Deputies to be seconded from the civil service. The Hindraf people’activists are the ones who will be tasked to go to the ground because they will need to engage the Indians unless the civil servants can speak Tamil and want to do field work in the squatter areas.
It is all above board.
Why are some slimy Umno ministers (whose name are not allowed by you to be mentioned?) carrying out this malicious campaign of disinformation against Waytha? (Actually, I can guess and so can blogger Din Turtle — http://dinturtle.blogspot.com/2014/02/jika-yakin-tmi-suara-pembangkang.html
But why are you joining the mob to lynch Waytha?
re: “Why the blind devotion to Waytha, I can’t comprehend.”
I do not like bullies. And I see him being tremendously bullied by all quarters here. As for the so-called “blind devotion”, it’s the same trouble I take to visit Uthaya in Kajang prison and attend his court hearings.
Why are you and many others so blind to the plight of the poor and marginalized Indians?
‘Why are you and many others so blind to the plight of the poor and marginalized Indians?’
Looking at this I don’t think you can blame the others at all. Far from it. Waytha seems to be the problem.
Helen, please writes for Kamalanathan instead. The man can’t even work with his brother la. What more a Malay Gomen?
By ‘The man’, I meant Waytha.
You cite a letter that claims, among other rants:
So how much credibility can you attach to the letter writer?
The more irrational Malaysians are, the brighter the chances of Pakatan taking over Putrajaya.
I do not want the DAP-led and DAP-dominated Pakatan to take over Putrajaya because I see them fostering blind hatred to propel themselves to the pinnacle of power.
Comparing Pakatan and BN and the followers of both camps, I had thought the establishment side was less hateful. But now I’m increasingly fearing that I could be wrong and that both sides dua kali lima sahaja.
If you want to cite a poison pen letter by a name that nobody has heard of before, then the Pakatan people can furnish hundreds if not thousands of articles all over the place (in Pakatan blogosphere) claiming that a certain VVIP dynamited a certain woman, or bought diamond rings worth tens of millions or …
No proof, no logic needed at all. Simply say only.
Pakatan politics is already sickening enough. Yet BN people are trying so hard to play catch up in this area of concocting the most outrageous stories and outlandish claims.
But now I’m increasingly FEARFUL that I could be wrong and that both sides dua kali lima sahaja.
I don’t simply percaya things bulat-bulat maa Helen. My links are for us to critics and sembang. I did try to ascertain these things with you. You know being Warta Waytha and all.
I have never percaya claims by certain people that you are actually a double agent.
Now, I can be emotional and accused you of being one too, but I simply won’t. Not to you at least.
Cheers Helen, take a rest, you must be tired already, Take care and thanks for the chat. Make sure Waytha belanja you kat Anjappar comes lunch.
re: “I have never percaya claims by certain people that you are actually a double agent.”
Double sigh. And certain people wrote triple Open Letters that were carried all in what is popularly known as KJ’s portal.
Oh ya, and I used a chainsaw to massacre hundreds of highschoolers in Texas too. But jokes aside, Anwar 2.0 might prove to be a double dose of the original version. Kalau islam1st cintakan Bangsa, Agama dan Negara, better you monitor ‘him’ to safe Malaysia from destruction at the hands of The Anwars (the double of them).
Fat chance.. kalau Cik Helen is a nobody dia worang kasi jentik her like watermelon seeds, silap2 kena kunyah dan sembur caya le cakap saya. They are the best of friends to you only when they can get something out of you!
Cik Helen kena make special interview dgn Samy Veloo, kenapa puluhan tahun in power, bukan calang2 Ministry yet he was not able to contribute much to his people? Tanya sama depa depa dulu baru datang dan tuduh UMNO and Bumiputras are bodoh sombong!
re: “tuduh UMNO and Bumiputras are bodoh sombong!”
I did not tuduh UMNO and Bumiputras are bodoh sombong! I specified Menteri=Menteri Umno Khairy and Hisham.
I think plenty of people agree with me wrt KJ’s biadab. Even the soft-spoken Siti Nurhaliza thinks so.
re: Comparing Pakatan and BN and the followers of both camps, I had thought the establishment side was less hateful. But now I’m increasingly fearing that I could be wrong and that both sides dua kali lima sahaja.
Dua kali lima.
I’ve been convinced of that for some time now.
The only reason why they’re not as rabid and in “perpetual hysteria” is because they still have the upper hand – viv-a-vis UMNO.
Would be interesting to see how they behave after GE14 when UMNO is reduced to being the oppo.
I’m sure we’ll be seeing their more colorful versions of OnYourToes and his PR ilk.
Oh and we’ll probably need to find the equivalent for the nama timangan’s “Dapster/Evangelista/Pakatoon/Jerusubangite/Island Gladeite” etc etc for them.
Not too long to go for GE14. I’ll start right away.
Go ahead. You are not a NATO, I suppose?
only a macha from Penang. He can even save his ilks!
he can’t even save his ilks!
quote,”Why are you and many others so blind to the plight of the poor and marginalized Indians?”unquote.
You have completely misunderstood the stand that some of us made with regard to Hindraf. This happened because you are so obsessed with Hindraf that you failed to read the situation objectively.
I recognised that the Indians need help. A few others also recognised this. You failed to see that; see the quote above from you.
I felt that Hindraf is not the right group to help the downtrodden Indians. I am not sure you understood that since you insist that Hindraf’s the only group that could help the Indians. You are wrong, Helen! It’s your obsession with the Hindraf leaders that unable you to be objective about Hindraf. I think Hindraf does not have the RIGHT leaders to help the Indians change their lives. The Indians themselves need to change their attitude in the first place.
That’s where our opinions diverged.
re: “This happened because you are so obsessed with Hindraf that you failed to read the situation objectively.”
This happened because you are so obsessed with Hindraf that you failed to read the situation objectively.
Look at how biased some of you – in the case not referring to ‘you’ specifically – are that you can believe Waytha brought an “entourage” of 700 when the truth is that he was given only TWO office staff of his own (i.e. outsiders) whom he brought in to be on the government payroll.
This is a fact that can be easily verified because it is a government office. (Waytha revealed this about having only two of his own choice ‘Hindraf’ staff) earlier today in his press conference.
re: “I felt that Hindraf is not the right group to help the downtrodden Indians.”
Can you suggest who should do the job?
re: “I am not sure you understood that since you insist that Hindraf’s the only group that could help the Indians.”
When did I ever insist that Hindraf is the only group that could help the Indians? I said they drafted the Blueprint. BN signed a legal document agreeing to implement this Blueprint. Bottomline: Najib promised “nambikei” and he should keep to his end of the bargain, that’s all.
re: “It’s your obsession with the Hindraf leaders that unable you to be objective about Hindraf.”
On the contrary, it is YOUR obsession with the Hindraf leaders that unable you to be objective about Hindraf. I know these people. Do you know these people? Have you ever spoken to a single one of the Hindraf leaders before?
re: “I think Hindraf does not have the RIGHT leaders to help the Indians change their lives.”
Can you name some of the the RIGHT leaders to help the Indians change their lives?
re: “The Indians themselves need to change their attitude in the first place.”
Which part of their attitude do you want to see them change, pray tell.
quote,”But why are you joining the mob to lynch Waytha?”unquote.
I can respond to you in a few ways, a few I borrowed the same style you used to respond to your critiques:
(1) why are you devoting a blog to Waytha who screwed up Indians’ hope for better lives?
(2) why are you defending Waytha as the sole Indians hope, who could not work with BN and Pakatan (and I think almost anybody)? He even fought with his brother!
(3) why the blinded obsession with Waytha?
(4) why are you joining the mod to lynch KJ?
re: “(1) why are you devoting a blog to Waytha who screwed up Indians’ hope for better lives?”
Can you please elaborate on how Waytha screwed up Indians’ hope for better lives?
re: “(2) why are you defending Waytha as the sole Indians hope, who could not work with BN and Pakatan (and I think almost anybody)?”
MIC has been partnering Umno since 1952. These two parties have a 62-year-old relationship. I respect Umno’s loyalty to MIC in the same vein that I DO NOT want Umno to take in DAP as a replacement for MCA.
However it is undeniable that the Indian poor problems have remained unresolved for many decades. So why object to a new approach when in 2008, a total of 90 percent Indians had rejected MIC? Hindraf have a mission to find solutions to a set of problems.
Hindraf does not claim to represent the Christian Indians (since its name is Hindu Rights Action Force). It does not claim to represent Indians who speak English (a number of their functions that I’ve attended are conducted in Tamil). It does not focus on the problems of the middle and professional class. It focuses on the poverty-stricken demography.
So in a nutshell, the Hindraf demography is very clear cut and they’re not encroaching on all the other turfs I’ve listed out above. Ultimately if they’ve promised to help a certain set of people enmeshed in a certain set of problems, why do you want to throw obstacles in their path?
Why not instead give them the required support so that they can accomplish their mission? After all, they only asked for 5 years and within the parameters of the Blueprint which spells out the areas that they want to look into.
re: “He even fought with his brother!”
Uthaya would not have been able to work with BN nor ever have agreed to the idea of working with the BN. He thinks Umno is racist.
If Waytha did not “fight” (i.e. disagree with) his brother’s opinion and choices, then Waytha would have joined forces with Uthaya and both of them been anti-BN during GE13. If Waytha had not parted political ways with his brother, BN would have lost even more seats last election. Is that what you want?
re: “(3) why the blinded obsession with Waytha?”
Why the blinded obsession with Waytha that is making so many Umno ministers attack him and this blog’s Malay commenters doing the same?
You people have never even spoken to him, so your judgment is not from first hand exposure or information.
re: “(4) why are you joining the mob to lynch KJ?”
Darn! I missed a few good years of fun. Lots of people were already lynching KJ since the Sleepy Dollah era when Raja Petra published The Khairy Chronicles in his Malaysia Today website.
I should have jumped on the bandwagon much earlier. Like Najib whom I criticize, I’m another kura-kura myself.
Show me a referendum or a poll or something like that the poor Hindu downtrodden Indians want Hindraf to fight for their rights.
Show me any indication that the poor Hindu downtrodden Indians don’t want Hindraf to fight for their rights.
Tell me how BN could have lost 90 percent of Indian support to the opposition in the 2008 election.
A question replied as a question.
You’ve lost your substance, Helen.
Hopefully you haven’t lost your credibility in the eyes of your blog followers.
re: “A question replied as a question.”
On your question of whether they have support, please go to the Hindraf website, Facebook and look at the videos uploaded where they are engaging their grassroots.
While I think that Waytha has his reasons to part ways, but I do suspect his motive in the way it was done. IMO, his actions & UMNO’s response brings no benefits to either of them.
Contrary to the popular UMNO Malay thinking, I’ve always maintained that BN needs the support of all communities. As an analogy, when your troops flee or abandon the fight, is it the fault of the soldiers or the general?
Actually I have my reservations about the government, regardless of BN or PR, having the will to help the minorities in a meaningful way given that the majority too are demanding the same. Vote bank takes priority.
When everyone see themselves as victims, whoever shouts the loudest gets the most.
This is really a delicate issue and yet imperative to be attended to nonetheless. I think, any further blunder, even a slightest one, could result in a big offset(and upset) to our nation harmony.
From my POV, the Hindraf has been (unfairly) bashed from left to right, making them to be more defensive. On the other side, the Malays still can’t forgive them when there stills no sign of remorse shown by the Hindraf for their past actions (i.e: to the Malays, the ‘ethnic cleansing’ was the biggest fitnah ever made against them). And the PR, we(anyone?) knew what they are capable of.
We are now getting all sort of abusive coming from all sort of people from all walks of life where everybody claims to have the truth reagrding this it now seems like a new Epimenides paradox (to the average people like me, as I see it).
IMHO, we must have more thorough and unbiased input and suggestions (perhaps a green paper by a royal committee, or by whatever setup, consists of professionals, both outside and inside the govenrment, who are conversant with those ‘voiceless Indians’ problems/issues/dilemmas/etc).
But for any sort of such things could happen, will the Hindraf and the so-called Malay leaders restrain themselves from all these current selfish and nonsensical confrontations? I’m afraid, they are the real stumbling block.
At the moment, I certainly cannot see it’s happening while we are still giving much rooms to those people…i.e: UMNO VVVIPs (in the form of KJ, mostly) acting as the last fortress of the Malay’s dignity, their Hindraf counterparts vying for the recognition as the most gallant Indian ‘spokesperson’, and those vultures lurking around (y’know, who invariably claims “by the power of the people…the people want this…the people demand that…”, as if the 51% is a huge majority the-people-vs-the-government ought to be the right term…absurd).
Anyway, please forgive me if I’ve sounded like a snob full of holier-than-thou attitude. I really hope not. But I really really really sick of our dear leaders from each and every divide thinking everything but the real people who has put their hope in them. The Hindraf, the KJ-ish BN leaders/supporters, most of ‘the People’ in the Pact, the NGOs idealists…and perhaps myself too (for not being able to do something more constructive).
re: “(i.e: to the Malays, the ‘ethnic cleansing’ was the biggest fitnah ever made against them).”
Fair enough. But Indians are perpetually subjected to fitnah too, like “toddy drinker/drunkard”, “snake”, “pariah”, etc.
Uthayakumar was held in ISA Kamunting one-and-half years, and now in Kajang prison for a two-and-half years jail sentence (all together 4 years total punishment) for saying “ethnic cleansing”.
But nobody is punished for saying that Indians are snakes who should be beaten.
re: “who are conversant with those ‘voiceless Indians’ problems/issues/dilemmas/etc)”
Hindraf is trying to give them a voice and look at the treatment meted out to Hindraf now.
re: “But for any sort of such things could happen, will the Hindraf and the so-called Malay leaders restrain themselves from all these current selfish and nonsensical confrontations?”
Damaging for both sides. DAP (Indian segment support) biggest beneficiary from this fallout.
re: “At the moment, I certainly cannot see it’s happening while we are still giving much rooms to those people…i.e: UMNO VVVIPs (in the form of KJ, mostly) acting as the last fortress of the Malay’s dignity”
KJ is the last thing to be considered as holding up Malay dignity. His behaviour is Dapster, not Melayu.
re: “as if the 51% is a huge majority the-people-vs-the-government ought to be the right term”
BN only got 47% of the votes. So 53% voters do not support BN. How long more can Umno retain federal power with popular support hemorrhaging like this?
re: “But I really really really sick of our dear leaders from each and every divide thinking everything but the real people who has put their hope in them.”
Sickest of KJ most of all.
Like I said, the BN, to be more specific, Umno and their mob, are now in perpetually hysterical mode. They think they will win only with the Malay Muslim vote.
BN is a lost cause now. Najib is a good man but his Umno is a private limited corporation. A corporation that serves only its shareholders, the Umno people who have benefited from the NEP and this very corporation will do whatever that’s necessary to protect the interests of this group of people, the so called “shareholders”.
PR is more of a cartel though. A cartel consisting of 3 corporations.
PKR is essential a family office, serving the cause of one man and his family.
DAP on the other hand is a private corporation serving the interests of a few families and their cronies, nonetheless it is still a corporation with a few big shareholders.
Pas too is a corporation.
The Chinese made a wise decision in GE13. Why support a “consortium” that no longer serves their interests, a “consortium” whose biggest member is encroaching their territory with the implicit and explicit backing of the state.
Hindu Indians and Christians too should reconsider their position.
Malay Muslims must wise up as well. Why stick with a “corporation” that serves the interests of only a few ?
Post GE14 = BN dissolves, Umno as the opposition. Sarawak and Sabah parties obtain more autonomy for Sarawak and Sabah from the new Federal Government.
This would look really good.
Dream on guy. keep on dreaming.
helen, the moment this shithead join the govt, he is already a past tense, najib n co can do the role of santa claus, they dun need this shithead that betray his community trust. come on, have some dignity for the indian, your way of contention only make the indian look worst.
I’m referring to this remark made by you…
‘As far as I’m aware, the RM4.5 billion allocation is to be spread over the 5-year blueprint. So that makes less than one billion each year.’
Why did you say that in the first place if the figure stated was a propaganda made by ‘our people’? Why didn’t you ascertain that with Waytha first? Providing that you did, the choice of words meant to say that, you were made aware (by whom, Waytha/Hindraf???) that the figure was RM4.5 billion.
As for the (700 tu!) hyperbole couple with ‘Betul ke ni?’ and ‘Huh??’ to further stressed that it may need to be ascertain by you (I was having a two way communication with you, haven’t I?), I was not aware that my cheeky remarks made in your tiny blog had turn the country upside down. Helen, you must be underestimating yourself then! Or I underestimating myself!
WRT to Waytha and Hindraf the things that hit me, was the reluctance for you to be objective (be less emotional dan overtly defensive) and critique each point raised by your ‘peers’ here head on. Some of the issues raised by LOL, you simply choose not to dissect. Read up.
I have asked about their legal suit. About their so called EVIL MALAY GOMEN (I hyperbole it again, anyway we must be evil aren’t we!) committing genocide on the Indians? Among others. This is pertinent to justify the true face of this Hindraf to begin with. If its all mere lies, how can you put your bet on these people?
Helen, I pity you. You may have noble intention here, in trying to shed some light on the plights of the marginalized Indians. But that does not mean, that all you do, in order to do so, is to talk about Waytha and his Hindraf club. How many registered members do these crooks command again?
The sad things is, although you are made aware of our ‘dislikes’ of Anwar 2.0, but by the minutes we were fairly muted on his wrong deeds and criticized Waytha instead, suddenly we are accused as his troops, ganged up on Waytha and you? How is that different from those Dapster we grew to hate?
Take some rest Helen, maybe you need some time to reflex. May Allah SWT bless you. Take care.
This song is for you… [YouTube]
re: “Providing that you did, the choice of words meant to say that, you were made aware (by whom, Waytha/Hindraf???) that the figure was RM4.5 billion.”
I attended one public taklimat by Hindraf given in Jan 2013 about the blueprint, and I recall a figure thereabouts being mentioned to the audience/guests.
re: “Some of the issues raised by LOL, you simply choose not to dissect.”
I’ve already made you the offer to restate what is it about LOL’s comment that you wish me to clarify.
re: “About their so called EVIL MALAY GOMEN (I hyperbole it again, anyway we must be evil aren’t we!) committing genocide on the Indians?”
(1) Uthaya has already served 1-and-1/2 years ISA and sentence to another 2-and-1/2 years jail for saying “ethnic cleansing”.
(2) Uthaya has remained unwaveringly anti-BN. Waytha chose to try to work with the BN. The brothers do not see eye to eye.
(3) The 53% of the voters who did not support BN in the last election will now say that Uthaya was correct and Waytha was wrong.
re: “… that all you do, in order to do so, is to talk about Waytha and his Hindraf club. How many registered members do these crooks command again?”
“Crooks”. You’re name calling.
re: “suddenly we are accused as his troops, ganged up on Waytha and you?”
I’ve never called you or the commenters here KJ’s troops. But I do see that the operatives in cyberspace (Umno and MIC) are ganging up on Waytha.
This all-around targetting of Waytha is a situation of the strong bullying the weak. DAP has their Red Beanies, Umno has its troopers, MIC have their Special Officers whereas Hindraf has nothing to match the orginizational scale of both the political coalitions.
The Dapsters are taking advantage of the situation too and bashing away for their own political mileage.
Cheers Helen, take a rest to this song…
:) I’m like the Energizer Bunny. I never rest just like some cities never sleep.
quote,”Helen, I pity you. You may have noble intention here, in trying to shed some light on the plights of the marginalized Indians. But that does not mean, that all you do, in order to do so, is to talk about Waytha and his Hindraf club. How many registered members do these crooks command again?
The sad things is, although you are made aware of our ‘dislikes’ of Anwar 2.0, but by the minutes we were fairly muted on his wrong deeds and criticized Waytha instead, suddenly we are accused as his troops, ganged up on Waytha and you? How is that different from those Dapster we grew to hate?”unquote.
islam1st – you took the words right out of my mouth.
I gave up on Helen for being able to be her usual fair observer and being objective, as far as Wathya and Hindraf are concerned. She’s totally lost her perspective and sense of impartiality. She will be in a perpetual hysteria when someone criticise her favourite “social worker” and his self-appointed Indian club.
And I’m now accused of being an operative, duty bound to run down Waytha and Hindraf at every opportunity I have.
Take a break, Helen.
The truth is that Najib appointed the Hindraf guy (I believe) almost entirely due to goodwill gesture only.
“Hablum Minas Nas”. Or in Malay it is called “hubungan sesama manusia”.
One classic example is Malaysia’s continuing paying a token amount to descendents of Sulu Sultanate. Filipinos do not understand why Malaysia still consider Sabah as Malaysian state beyond any doubt while still paying a yearly small rental amount.
Sulu sultanate already ceased to exist. Malaysia can simply stop paying the amount. But it continues paying simply because the amount although a small amount, means a lot to struggling Sulu Sultanate.
AS FOR HINDRAF, may I offer this advice. Every one is important but nobody is indispensable. Waytha must not act ion manner to give impression that BN will collapse without Hindraf support,.
Just as waytha is fond of criticising, he too must accept being criticized.
And as said earlier, humility opens door.
re: “The truth is that Najib appointed the Hindraf guy (I believe) almost entirely due to goodwill gesture only.”
You may be correct in your reading of the PM. I too believe that he has good intentions and is sincere.
But allowing the MoU to breakdown proves his lack of political will, and there will be deep repercussions that cannot be quantified by money.
The accusations that Waytha is motivated by money are in really really bad taste (shows KJ’s lack of breeding and the smallness of his nature). All the lies and insults now hurled against Waytha are hard to forgive.
BN should have left well alone after the PM wished Waytha all the best in his future endeavours. Instead we had Si Kitol wading in and showing a very unMalay, cheap behaviour.
Unfortunate saga it is really.
The “how” thing is missing here. What said and how cit was said are both important.
Some malays are unhappy on what they deem as Waytha’s lack of respect to proper respect o be accorded to Najib as head of government. I feel that too. Next time it will be difficult for waytha to approach BN or UMNO.
Waytha too is unhappy with what he perceives as lack of sincerity and urgency.
Yes, Shamshul, I too wish that more people were more respectful of the PM.
I don’t know if I myself am considered disrespectful for my “kura-kura” jibe. But I would never call him the kind of ‘biaDAP’ names some of the Dapsters have been calling him.
At the end of the day, I still want/would like to see Najib to remain in office.
So my end game (objective) is not for his removal. Instead it’s so that Najib can become more effective – prompt and decisive would be good, and less reliance on consultants and advisors – in order that BN retains Putrajaya. It will be a disaster if the DAP evangelistas succeed in taking power.
In USA or other countries, you must be properly dressed if you are attending functions graced by the PM or Presidents or Emperors.
But I am sad to see people( mainly chinese) who dress improperly when they visited the PM on Hari Raya function.
As for insulting Najib or Datin Rosmah, these species exhibit lack of mannerism. Actualy DAP’s performance is dismal. Nothing splendid was shown by Guan Eng on years becoming Penang CM.
Indians in Malaysia? I though the Indians have become extinct in Malaysia. Most ‘hitam macam bontot kuali’ race I have come across in Malaysia claim they are not Indians but “Christians” actually. Or they are Ceylone or Malayalams or whatnots but never Indians.
In the past, I did promise to stop commenting in Helen Ang”s blog as I suspect she is not sincere as she is just making use of us, the Malays. My perception of her is still the same – she is a double agent. But I just could not resist putting my 2 cents.
Helen Ang will turn into fits and perpetual hysteria when we criticize negatively wrt 1) Hindraf 2) Wytha/Uthaya 3) the so-called impoverished ‘Indians’ (I ask again “Are they really Indians?”). Remember non-Muslim students (read ‘Indian’) eating in changing room controversy which caused Helen Ang foaming at the mouth?
Now she is foaming at the mouth countering comments from Islam1st, LOL, setem and others who are not siding with her ascerbic POVs.
“toddy drinker/drunkard”, “snake”, “pariah”, etc. ?’
‘hitam macam bontot kuali’ race?’
‘foaming at the mouth?’
BN will lose GE14, says Waythamoorthy
“BN has already lost the Chinese votes; now it will lose Indian votes,” he said.
“The natives of the peninsula, Sabah and Sarawak will not trust BN any more.
“BN’s betrayal and violation of human rights will not go down well even with the Malay community.
“Being a Kelantanese, I know the Malays are a community who keep their word. I lived among Malays in my home state. For them, fulfilling a promise is more precious than their life.”
“By not honouring its promise made publicly before millions to implement the Indian blueprint, BN has showed it is a maestro in breaking promises,” he said.
“With that, BN has lost the Indian votes forever.”
Yeah, you flers keep up your sick, biased rationales, disingenuous arguments, contempt and vitriol against the Indians and people like Helen who speak up against their betrayal by UMNO/BN.
That’s right…keep defending UMNO’s duplicitousness and keep victimising and preying on Indians/Hindraf.
Yeah, sit on your high horse while PR digs your graves.
Pride always comes before a fall.
Come GE14, its hasta la vista…bahalols.
What is the problem with you?
The government just give out BR1M, I am sure the Indians also got their fair share?
re: What is the problem with you?
What’s your problem, child?
Syndromic or hereditary mental retardation?
re: problem child
That was meant for you, MachoPG.
‘To the Real Problem Child_MachoPG?’
‘That was meant for you, MachoPG?’
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