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Bishop Ng on persecution and Christian-bashing by extremist groups

Bishop Ng Moon Hing thinks that Christians as well as Malaysia as a whole are under threat from “a few groups of extremists” whose agenda is to destroy our country’s muhibbah.

Bishop Ng is a Bersih supporter so the extremist groups he means cannot be the pro-Pakatan ones. Please take a guess as to which groups Bishop Ng considers as extremist.

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ABOVE: Bishop Ng (far right, in purple robe) pictured with Tian Chua, Mr Hannah Yeoh, Teresa Kok, Nurul Izzah and Madame Speaker of Selangor

Speaking to The Malaysian Insider reporter Jennifer Gomez, Bishop Ng said a generation of Malaysians have lost their trust in other Malaysians. The Anglican bishop also complained that “hate speeches, racial hatred and religious extremism” are not being monitored by the authorities.

Bishop Ng was the Christian Federation of Malaysia president from 2009 until last year. CFM comprises:

  • National Evangelical Christian Fellowship (NECF)
  • Council of Churches of Malaysia (CCM)
  • Roman Catholic Church

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Bishop Ng, new president of Bible Society

In Jennifer Gomez’s Malaysian Insider article today, Bishop Ng expressed his fear that should the authorities fail to put a stop to “such extremism and hate speeches and instigation as soon as possible”, the nation’s social fabric will soon be torn apart.

A fortnight ago, TMI in its 26 May 2014 article alleged that Isma president Abdullah Zaik Abdul Rahman is “The #1 most extreme negative Muslim in Malaysia”.

Demanding a “harmonious, peaceful, just and fair living” for all Malaysians, Bishop Ng wants the powers-that-be to resolve the issue of the Malay-language ‘Allah’ Bibles seized by Jais from the Bible Society of Malaysia. (Bishop Ng was elected the new BSM president last month.)

Bishop Ng, who heads the Anglican Diocese of West Malaysia, claims that it was the state and federal governments that first started this issue and not the [meek and mild, peace-loving] Christians.

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http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/a-generation-of-malaysians-have-lost-their-trust-in-putrajaya-says-anglican

Christians complain their Bibles are “desecrated”

In the excerpt above, TMI reporter Jennifer Gomez asks Bishop Ng whether he believes that the confiscated Bibles have been “destroyed” or “desecrated”.

‘Desecrate’, according to the dictionary, means “to treat a sacred thing with violent disrespect”.

Previously, TMI had reported on 18 March 2011 that 30,000 copies of the Alkitab had been “defaced” when the Home Ministry stamped their seal on the inside cover with the words: “Untuk kegunaan penganut Kristian sahaja.

TMI further said that the serial numbers stamped by the Ministry on the Bibles were considered by the Christians to be a desecration – violent disrespect – of their Holy Book.

Jennifer Gomez posed the bishop the following question: “What is your advice to Christians as we face Christian-bashing and various forms of persecution“?

She asks Bishop Ng must Christians always have to turn the other cheek.

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Square Moon, for the sake of power

Bishop Ng said:

“These [religious] tensions we see now did not start overnight, it began when the people in power compromised their integrity, true faith, moderation, rationality, peaceful and harmonious co-existence, with self gain, greed, self fame, the idea of staying in power in the name of economic progress, development, education, preservation of race, language and creed.”

He accused greedy politicians who wanted to remain in power for manipulating the religious tensions.

Selangor Speaker Hannah Yeoh said the culprits “will tell you that the moon is square just to remain in power” (see her tweet below).

Who are Bishop Ng and Hannah pointing their fingers at, you think?

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Freedom to dakwah

Previously in July 2012, former Selangor PAS commissioner Hasan Ali had queried the Christian Federation of Malaysia – then led by Bishop Ng – on the CFM’s demand for all Malaysians to have the religious freedom to propagate Christianity “without undue curtailment from the law”.

See ‘Hasan desak Pas jawab tuntutan Persekutuan Kristian Malaysia‘ (Utusan, 29 July 2012).

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The CFM letter (see bottom of page) to churches and Christians on creating a new Malaysia where all Malaysians are free to dakwah to each other was signed by Bishop Ng.

BELOW: Hannah Yeoh believes that “BN tak mampu berubah, race based yesterday, today, foreva!”

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Christians have “rights of leadership”

Bishop Ng cites Bible verses from Matthew, chapter 5, verses 13-15 on how Christians are the salt of the earth” and asserts that “Christians have not only been granted rights of leadership but also the responsibility of stewardship (of the Earth)”.

In other words, Christians are a country’s rightful leaders.

The verses preceding the ‘salt of the earth’ biblical verse is Matthew, chapter 5, verse 11:

“Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.”

The succeeding verses in Matthew extort Christians to be “righteous” (chapter 5, verses 16-20).

Malaysia’s Christians who believe they are being persecuted also believe they the most righteous people in the country.

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Bishop Ng’s general election letter

“In terms of our vision for a better Malaysia, CFM encourages Malaysian Christians to think about the following priorities — A nation guided by the ethics of respect for human dignity.

For Bishop Ng and the CFM, a Malaysia where there is “justice with equity” will reject extremism, racial and religious bigotry, and be “ free of corruption”.

  • “A nation where extremism of all kinds is rejected and quickly curtailed. Racial and religious bigotry, manipulation and lies that have now come to define the social sphere, the print media and political posturing must end immediately.”

Bishop Ng in his CFM letter encouraged Malaysian Christians to cast their votes in the general election for:

  • “A nation that works towards the fair and equitable distribution of wealth and ensuring well-being for all, regardless of citizenship status, ethnicity or creed.”
  • “Every citizen and every community should be empowered and enabled to pursue economic activity and achieve advancement duly and fairly supported by the government where needed and necessary without favour or discrimination and without being overly or unfairly supported by the state.”

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Let’s take stock of the words that Bishop Ng chooses to use

  • “human dignity”
  • “justice with equity”
  • reject “extremism”
  • say No to “racial and religious bigotry”
  • “free of corruption”
  • “regardless of citizenship status, ethnicity or creed”
  • “without discrimination”
  • “without being overly supported by the state”

It does sound like the Church and the DAP share the same vocabulary.

The new Malaysia by the Christians aspired through the rise of New Politics can only come about if DAP takes over Putrajaya.

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19 thoughts on “Bishop Ng on persecution and Christian-bashing by extremist groups

  1. Tua Pek Kong and Kuan Yin believe in an eye for an eye? Buddhists believe in forgiving everyone including animals. Cos the bad ones get reborn as animals or insects. Not plants.

    Where got meaning, give the other cheek to be slap? Bodoh or biol?

    Do back unto others, what others do to you is more appropriate.

    You desecrate mine, I desecrate yours. Simple Tit for Tat.

    In the end, everyone goes to Hell. Too much sins already.

    Anyone expecting God or whatever to forgive human beings for their sins must be trying very hard to console themselves that the sins they casts are not sinful.

    What a joke.

    1. Re. Buddhists believe in forgiving everyone including animals. Cos the bad ones get reborn as animals or insects. Not plants.

      There is no cause and effect reasoning between the two of your explanation. Giving forgiveness is the way of life of the Buddhist.

      Please read here http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/forgiveness.htm

      wrt reborn, this is called Samsara or circle of life. It is also part of Hinduism. You will be thrown back into this circle of life as long as your soul is not pure, once your reach the pure state of soul than you will reach Bodhi Satva.

      Re. Where got meaning, give the other cheek to be slap? Bodoh or biol?

      Can you explain this further based on context. It doesn’t make sense and make you sound super stupid.

      Re. Do back unto others, what others do to you is more appropriate.

      Then you should not have a problem with Hudud, for in Hudud this is called Qisas. Although, giving forgiveness is encouraged more.

      Re. Anyone expecting God or whatever to forgive human beings for their sins must be trying very hard to console themselves that the sins they casts are not sinful.

      Not everyone, dalam Islam, dosa terhadap Allah, hanya Allah yang boleh mengampunnya dan dosa terhadap sesama manusia, hanya manusia yang dizalimi itu saja boleh memaafkan manusia yang menzaliminya.

      Tapi bagi orang Kristian, para Paderi boleh mengampunkan pengikutnya. Cuba Dandy tanya Hannah Yeoh yang selalu bagi ceramah kat Gereja tu kalau tak percaya.

      P.S

      STRESS NAMPAK… and we are going Buddhist bashing now, aren’t we?

  2. Yeshua said to him, “My Kingdom is not from this world; if my Kingdom were of this world, my servants would be fighting that I would not have been delivered up to the Judeans, but now my Kingdom is not from here.” john 18:36

    anak tuhan depa sendiri mengaku yang kerajaan dia bukan didunia ini, jadi kenapa dok sebok nak jadi pemerintah? sementara tunggu for his second coming, duduk diam2.

  3. RE: ‘Bishop Ng said: “These [religious] tensions we see now did not start overnight, it began when the people in power compromised their integrity, true faith, moderation, rationality, peaceful and harmonious co-existence, with self gain, greed, self fame, the idea of staying in power in the name of economic progress, development, education, preservation of race, language and creed.” HE accused Greedy Politicians who wanted to Remain in Power for Manipulating the Religious Tensions. Selangor Speaker Hannah Yeoh said the culprits “will tell you that The Moon is Square just to Remain in Power” (see her tweet below). Who are Bishop Ng and Hannah pointing their fingers at, you think?’

    Well, they really ought to start from the root causes and for that matter they don’t have to look beyond the fence of their own Pakatan groupies. Let them address the Salafi Islamist Hadi Awang for a start concerning his infamous “Amanat Hadi Awang” that spurred on the Memali rebellion. Remember this 30 years ago? The PAS president still refuses to retract his pronouncement of heresy on the people today.

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  4. Dear Aunty Helen,

    The bishop sounds like Hannah Yeoh. He tried to paint a picture as if they were the victims when it was them who started to question the Article 3, Article 11(4), Article 153 and others. He is spinning stories too.

    They know that Allah must only be used as the name of the Muslim God in Malaysia but they still want to use Allah despite they have others names for their gods. Hannah Yeoh as the Selangor Speaker must read the Selangor’s ‘Enakmen Ugama Bukan Islam (Kawalan Perkembangan Di Kalangan Orang Islam) 1988’ and must advice the bishop. It is them who cause the disharmony by challenging the law and the constitution but they call others who are defending their rights as extremists.

    Aunty Helen, do you think that the bishop thinks it is cool for Hannah Yeoh to use bad language like calling others low class?

    I wonder why he is still so unhappy about the UiTM seminar. It happened more than a month ago.

    1. re: “I wonder why he is still so unhappy about the UiTM seminar. It happened more than a month ago.”

      The non-Muslims made many police reports. They will not be satisfied until the authorities take action.

      1. Dear Aunty Helen,

        re: “They will not be satisfied until the authorities take action.”

        But it was them who keep spinning the whole story like the Allah, bible and DUMC issues.

  5. Re: Bishop Ng said: “These [religious] tensions we see now did not start overnight, it began when the people in power compromised their integrity, true faith, …etc.

    Agreed, and in their pursuit of more power they allowed or sengaja pejamkan mata to people like the good Bishop to langgar Perlembagaan negara.

    Re: The Anglican bishop also complained that “hate speeches, racial hatred and religious extremism” are not being monitored by the authorities.

    Agreed. Masa nak PRU12 & 13 dulu, berpusu-pusu orang Cina dan India pergi ke gereja untuk mendengar ceramah politik tapi tak ada pun pihak berkuasa mengawasi apa yang disebarkan di ceramah mereka. Kalau ceramah mereka penuh dengan fitnah terhadap pemimpin yang memerintah tidakkah ia dianggap “hate speeches and racial hatred”?

    For each and every statement that this Bishop makes and implies or accuses Malay Muslims as the extremists, we can turn it around and see the evangelists as the extremists. These people are truly pathetic.

  6. Salt is a lethal weapon, a silent killer…… bad for human esp now as high blood pressure and hypertension are on the rise. So do away with salt for your health..

    My Reverend Mother was so gentle, sweet, kind, respectable and very humble. Cantik pula tu mai dari Eropah, beradat dan sopan cukup menawan hati kami. Had you people been in her school sure kena punish, stand at the corner day in and out.

    The Nuns those days helped bond us students don’t care what race or religion. Parents too. Sampai hari ni my convent classmates are like sisters, makan, tidoq in happiness or sorrow we are so attached.

    What is happening to you people today, what kind of preaching do you people give? Macam mana you people teach your new converts? Tembam and hubby claiming themselves preaching in Church make me want to PUKE only la..

    Better kemas springclean dulu rumah kamu yang sudah gitu berselerak before peeping and poking your noses at what others do okay or not? These new batch of preachers takde “class” ke?

  7. If the Bishop wasn’t a BERSIH activist his claims of persecution of Christans would be more credible, at least to me.

    However on the topic of religious persecution, the Bishop should read this.

    “Protestantism in Spain has been present as far back as the 16th century. The Spanish Inquisition resulted in forced conversions, imprisonments, executions, and deportations of most non-Catholics, including Protestants, Jews and Muslims.”

    More:-

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism_in_Spain

    And this:-

    “The Tribunal of the Holy Office of the Inquisition (Spanish: Tribunal del Santo Oficio de la Inquisición), commonly known as the Spanish Inquisition (Inquisición española), was established in 1478 by Catholic Monarchs Ferdinand II of Aragon and Isabella I of Castile. It was intended to maintain Catholic orthodoxy in their kingdoms and to replace the Medieval Inquisition, which was under Papal control. It became the most substantive of the three different manifestations of the wider Christian Inquisition along with the Roman Inquisition and Portuguese Inquisition.”

    “The Inquisition was originally intended in large part to ensure the orthodoxy of those who converted from Judaism and Islam. This regulation of the faith of the newly converted was intensified after the royal decrees issued in 1492 and 1501 ordering Jews and Muslims to convert or leave.”

    More:-

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition

    Well, at least nobody has been burnt at the stake in Malaysia so far.

    1. re: “Well, at least nobody has been burnt at the stake in Malaysia so far.”

      Refer, the Spanish Inquisition:

      “It was very uncommon for someone to be burned at the stake, but a mild form of punishment such as flagellation was common. When the crime was against God, the victim’s lands or possessions were confiscated and given to the church. In this way, the church grew immensely rich in a short period of time.”

      GOLD, Glory, Gospel

      Now does the growing immensely rich in a short period of time ring a bell close to home?

      Some things, like Greed, never change.

  8. How come the leaders of DAP are mostly Christians but the members are mostly Taoists, Confucius, Budddhists, Atheists, ancestral believers etc.

    And now geting more and more Sikhs and Cap Chung (Celup) in the leadership of DAP.

    By being Christians, they end up like the Moslems who can’t visit and enter the temples cos their religion forbid them. If asking for donations or help, no need harap anything cos they believe it is also sinful for them to do anthing besides their religion..

    So how? What future is there left for those who are neither Christians or Moslems. No need places of worship in future? What’s going to happen to all the dieties like Tua Pek Kong, Kuan Yin, Buddha? Maybe shipped back to Communist China?

    1. Aduhai. Begitu aktif. Kenapa ? Bos awak marah kat awak sebab tak buat kerja dengan baik kah ?

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