Hannah Yeoh on the Federal Court Allah verdict

June 23, 2014 at 1:39 pm 103 comments

NOTE: This is a 23 June 2014 article on the earlier Federal Court verdict

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Below is a parallel story for you to ponder.

Aziz M. Osman is a famous Malaysian film director whose popular movies include the Senario series, XX Ray and its sequel, Puteri Impian and its sequel, Fantasi and many others.

His ex-wife is Chinese Muslim convert Nur Aliah Lee bt Abdullah. Her showbiz name was Vianney Anastasia Lee and she is nicknamed Vee in the artiste circles.

She wore the tudung litup when she was married to Aziz.

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Off with the tudung

After her divorce from Aziz, Vianney’s tudung came off almost immediately.

You can see from the picture below sourced from http://ohartis.com/2009/01/gambar-nor-aliah-lee-kekasih-tengku-y/

BELOW: Suddenly single Vee baring her shoulders

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And the tudung is back on again

Then Vee remarried to a Malay Datuk businessman.

“Saya memakai semula tudung tahun lalu selepas berkahwin,” she was reported as saying in a 2011 interview.

BELOW: Photo shoot of Datin Nur Aliah aka Vianney Anastasia aka Vee, who was the cover girl for an issue of Nona women’s magazine

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It’s a ‘people’ thing

When Vee was/is in the state of matrimony, the tudung was/is on. But when she was in the state of swinging single, the tudung was off. Many Malay entertainment reporters and writers/bloggers had remarked on this with some wonder.

Vee’s on again, off again tudung saga is a “people” issue, isn’t it? Because for some other Muslim women who observe tutup aurat strictly, on means on, and no such thing as pakai ikut musim.

Similarly with the people in the state of Sabah and the state of Sarawak , the ‘Allah’ bible is permitted by the authorities. In the Klang Valley full of evangelistas, the same bible is not. Hence this too looks like a ‘people’ issue, doesn’t it?

BELOW: Hannah Yeoh in tudung

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DAP Christian chameleons and their faux ‘Islamic’ biawak skin

So why is the niat of the peninsula Christians suspect whereas the niat of the Sabah and Sarawak native Christians is not?

Why is Madame Speaker Hannah Yeoh wearing a tudung in the scene above? In many of the photos, she was not within the prayer hall of a surau or a masjid where women visitors are required to cover their head. So why is she masquerading a Muslimah look?

Is it any wonder many Muslims are suspicious of the niat of the Chinese Christians?

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The judgment on the Herald‘s ‘Allah’ appeal was read in the Federal Court today. There have been loud, nasty and hostile reactions from the Chinese DAP supporters to the judges’ 4-3 decision.

Does it cross anyone’s mind that it is their – referring to the “What kind of people are they?” crowd – attitude that is the problem? But they (the Born Agains) keep demonising the Malays in this ‘Allah’ issue.

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  • 1. anti kj  |  June 23, 2014 at 2:06 pm

    dear helen,

    tq helen for all your writings. at times it is better when a non muslim writes about certain issues. if a muslim writes, we will be deemed extremists and racists….. so on.

    always love your writing helen.

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    • 2. Helen Ang  |  June 23, 2014 at 2:20 pm

      re: “at times it is better when a non muslim writes about certain issues”

      That’s why ‘they’ are going all out to smear my reputation.

      Because it’s more difficult for them to fling the standard ad hominems, like “anti-Chinese”, “Muslim extremist” or “religious bigot” at me. And they can’t call me a convert who wants to become a Malay either, which is the other ad hominem in their arsenal.

      Also, they can’t accuse me of writing too personally/emotionally because it’s obvious that I tackle the issues in a detached manner … and with lots of data!

      re: “if a muslim writes, we will be deemed extremists and racists….. so on”

      Correct. Sometimes it’s not that the Malays tak nak bertolak ansur. If asked nicely, I think the Malays will be willing to come to a compromise.

      But with Dapster-evangelistas, playing fair is not in their vocabulary. They are underhanded, sooo very sneaky and choose to hit below the belt in the way they approach the debate. Their name-calling – “racists”, “extremists”, “bigots”, “evil/wicked”, “corrupt” is already second nature.

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      • 3. C72  |  June 23, 2014 at 2:43 pm

        They have hypnotised themselves to think that by their (self confessed) “righteousness” , anything contrary to their world view is justified for attack.

        Everything is black or white to such people, there is no room for compromise.

        This mental delusion is the cause of misery through out the ages.

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      • 4. +ive note  |  June 23, 2014 at 11:49 pm

        “Whoever considers herself/himself to be better than someone else, then she/he has become arrogant”.

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      • 5. Hussin Rahman  |  January 27, 2015 at 8:35 am

        I suggest Malaysia use only two categories to classify its people..Halal and Non-Halal…haha. Halal for Muslims and Non-Halal for all non-Muslims. What say you?

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        • 6. Helen Ang  |  January 27, 2015 at 1:46 pm

          LOL but the Dapster evangelistas will stone me for my political incorrectness in laughing at your joke.

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  • 7. RO  |  June 23, 2014 at 2:32 pm

    Dear Helen,

    “So why is the niat of the peninsula Christians suspect whereas the niat of the Sabah and Sarawak native Christians is not?”

    Niat Jahat lah. Tidak ada niat lain lagi.

    This Hannah fellow has gone too far. Way too far. I think its about time we go on the offensive mode on her. I dont mean you Helen, you have done your part. Its the rest of us. Time to go all out against her.

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    • 8. tebing tinggi  |  June 23, 2014 at 3:55 pm

      What sort of speaker did Selangor government had? She is puan Speaker of Selangor State Assembly, she shouldn’t show’s much of her believe and attitude.

      Isn’t she represent the state, not the party or her religion?

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  • 9. Anees Khan  |  June 23, 2014 at 2:42 pm

    Dear Helen,

    i wish that all Hannah’s circles are matured like you…

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  • 10. veteran  |  June 23, 2014 at 2:58 pm

    Hannah Yeoh should count her blessing as a Malaysian. Not only she can lively happily with her Malaysian family, she is earning more than our Deputy Prime Minister! The latter looks after a nation while Hannah just “chair” a little Selangor. Blessed lay pastor who never fail to tweet about her being good xtian. Angkat bangkul sendiri.

    She drags the “issue” with the East Malaysians. The Sarawak govt has never opposed “Allah” thingy in the alkitab. The xtians in Sarawak are free to use “Allah”.

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  • 11. Dandy  |  June 23, 2014 at 4:02 pm

    With this ruling, It’s time the East Malaysians Christians start learning English and use their Al Kitab in English and called their God in English instead of Arabic names?

    Likewise the Sikhs, Bahais, Hindus, Taiosts have to changed their God’s name which is the same as the Moslems to their own language.

    This is to ensure the Constitution and laws and the court rulings are respected.

    Anyone wonder with internet around, why do all these religions still need to have hard copies of their religious books? It’s time to change and throw away all these hard copies.

    Just give everyone a smartphone or CD player for download and it’s definitely much cheaper. Furthermore, it won’t easily get dirtied or torn or seen as disrespectful if thrown or burn unwittingly by those who don’t understand the language.

    That will solve a lot of problems.

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    • 12. C72  |  June 23, 2014 at 4:25 pm

      What do the other religions have to do with this? We’ve suffered long enough in dealing with the discord created by fanatical born again Christians in our midst.

      So you thought you could take on the Muslims here, well guess this is your smack down.

      Now go back and tell your mid – West financial backers that you can’t deliver the numbers you promised.

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      • 13. Helen Ang  |  June 23, 2014 at 4:36 pm

        Just a piece of trivia to share with you (that is if you don’t already know) …

        The “Bene” Gesserit depicted in the Dune universe could have been inspired by the Hebrew root word “bene” (sons of), which has its variant in the Arabic ‘bani”.

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        • 14. C72  |  June 23, 2014 at 5:16 pm

          :) yes, I was aware of that, thanks Helen.

          The books contain a lot of terminology borrowed from Arabic and Persian.

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        • 15. azre  |  January 23, 2015 at 5:18 pm

          Dont forget “jihad” my dear helen ang

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          • 16. Helen Ang  |  January 23, 2015 at 7:23 pm

            Honestly, at this point Helen dah cukup meluat dengan karenah diorang, terutama sekali keceluparan dan kebiadaban si evangelista yang ghairah mengomen berikutan keputusan oleh Mahkamah Persekutuan ke atas kes kalimah Allah baru-baru ini.

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      • 17. azre  |  January 23, 2015 at 5:15 pm

        Me too tho i am malay. Has a chinese friend who says the same thing. Being taunted to join their reborn aggresively. Become fed up already he said i stay my ground because he does not see any goodness from his friend when reborn more harsh attitude he said

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    • 18. Adait  |  June 23, 2014 at 4:52 pm

      There is no need for East Malaysian or Peninsula Malaysian Christians to learn English just this reason. There is a simple way. I’m sure you have heard of the word “Tuhan”, which is perfect for use here and in English, the perfect word is “God”, which is being used throughout the world.

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  • 19. RINA  |  June 23, 2014 at 4:03 pm

    Wherever they go these people are going to leave shit all over the places not only in Malaysia. Same pattern, incite hatred and cry discrimination. Anyway since they can pick and choose whatever name they desires for their “god” and have them printed in their bibles, suggest they nominate the name of one of their leaders instead. Kalo I give few suggestions sini melenting nanti semua orang.

    On the issue of tudungs, why are non Muslims so excited? Mother Mary in most of her pictures or patungs and even the Catholic nuns wear the traditional habits.. Most practicing Christians cover their head when they enter their church?

    When I was little, and as the class monitor, my morning routine was to go to the convent hostel and help my class teacher carry books etc. My classmates wld prob me to sneak and try catch the nuns without their head gears on. Why? For years we were curious if they were bald.

    What about the bais? Noone in Malaysia seems to make noise seeing them without their turbans and their little boys having no wrapped tennis balls on their heads?

    Kenapa sibuk sangat dengan oghang Islam? Are you people so perfect?

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    • 20. Helen Ang  |  June 23, 2014 at 4:12 pm

      re: “even the Catholic nuns wear the traditional habits”

      Since Hannah Yeoh wants so much to cover her head – and she is a Christian – why don’t she wear a habit like the Catholic nuns? And get the female staff in her office to cover their hair like Virgin Mary and wear full length robes too, while she is at it.

      re: “Kenapa sibuk sangat dengan oghang Islam?”

      Good news for you Rina. Felixia Yeap has promised that she will convert this Ramadan. I hope she will set a good example to all non-Malays who are addicted to photo ops in the mosques.

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      • 21. LOL  |  June 23, 2014 at 7:00 pm

        Alhamdulillah. I think I was the first one who alerted you about Felixia Yeap with her Tudung in one of my comments. You have posted entries about her after that with a pinch of sarcasm. I have never made fun of her and I remember my only comment about her is that I hope Allah swt will give her hidayah to embrace Islam.

        I pray that Allah swt will grant her strength, courage and patience after embracing Islam. My only worry is that all the media frenzy will become one of the tests of her Iman.

        “Patutkah manusia menyangka bahawa mereka akan dibiarkan dengan hanya berkata: Kami beriman, sedang mereka tidak diuji (dengan sesuatu cubaan)?” (Al-Ankabut: 25)

        “Dan Kami pasti akan menguji kamu dengan sedikit ketakutan, kelaparan, kekurangan harta, jiwa dan buah-buahan. Dan sampaikanlah khabar gembira kepada orang yang sabar. (iaitu) orang-orang yang apabila ditimpa musibah, mereka berkata “innalillahi wa inna ilaihi raji’un” (sesungguhnya kami milik Allah dan kepada-Nyalah kami kembali).” Al-Baqarah: 155-156

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      • 22. IT.Scheiss  |  January 25, 2015 at 5:05 am

        “Since Hannah Yeoh wants so much to cover her head – and she is a Christian – why don’t she wear a habit like the Catholic nuns? And get the female staff in her office to cover their hair like Virgin Mary…”

        One big difference is that the evangelical church Hannah Yeoh belongs to is Protestant and Protestants do not give much importance to the Virgin Mary unlike the Catholics and Orthodox who honour Mary and regards her as a key mediator between them and Jesus.

        The importance placed upon the Virgin Mary by Catholics and Orthodox adherents is one of the key points of contention between the former denominations and the Protestants who accuse the Catholics and Othhodox of worshiping Mary, though the latter counter by saying that they do not worship her but just honour her as the mother of God, just as Buddhist honour the Buddha but do not worship him as a god.

        Protestants are also against having images of Jesus, Mary and the saints in their churches, since it goes against the second commandment against makimg and worshiping any graven image and this is another key point of contention between Catholics and Orthodox on the one hand and Protestants on the other.

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  • 23. Dandy  |  June 23, 2014 at 4:12 pm

    Can someone tell me , does wearing a Tudung is for what purpose? Is it the hair or the face which is sexy to men’s roving eyes?

    Is it a religious ruling, family coercion, or fashion statement?

    This Tudung did not originate from Malaysia. I think it came about by trying to follow the Arabs after the Iranian revolution and Malaysia adapted the hijab head gear with a more colorful fashion statement.

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    • 24. Helen Ang  |  June 23, 2014 at 4:16 pm

      Hmmm, I wonder if Hannah is trying to follow the Arabs or the Puan Speaker’s purpose is to cover her Koh Tsu Koonish face from the men’s roving eyes?

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    • 25. Melayu Malaysia  |  June 23, 2014 at 4:57 pm

      Dandy..please go read up and don’t be so lazy.

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    • 26. idris md isa  |  June 23, 2014 at 7:03 pm

      I think you better change your nick to DUMDY

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    • 27. +ive note  |  June 24, 2014 at 12:04 am

      Throw two sweets on the floor, one unwrap and the other still wrapped which would you pick and suck? If you are diabetic patient try two boiled eggs with same scenario.

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  • 28. Kak Mar  |  June 23, 2014 at 4:18 pm

    Right on the dot, Helen. Every muslim should be vary of the evangelists motives to use Allah. All these while, they have never used Allah either in service or in publication. Why now? (The SS issue is different as these natives speak Malay).

    Did the Pope use Allah in their sermons or in their congregations? the answer is NO. So why do they paint it as if the word Allah is so integral to their belief? All these years they never use the word Allah so were they less Christian then?

    Agree with you and the rest up there… this Hana banana I-am-better-than-thou is an idiot.

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    • 29. Mulan  |  June 23, 2014 at 7:11 pm

      The problem with these people is that they take pride in being incorrigible.
      Why the sudden ultra-kiasuness to want to insist to use the “Allah” word.
      You have noticed Ms Mulan has countered every fallacy with a Bible verse. So far
      1. Pork is forbidden
      2. Headscraves are a must.
      Now circumcision is again a must.
      http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+17

      Genesis 10-14
      10 This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you. 12 For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner—those who are not your offspring. 13 Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh is to be an everlasting covenant. 14 Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.”

      The problem with all these new Chinese Christians is that they call themselves Christians but cannot follow up with what Christianity requires.

      No pork, tudung and potong. These are requirements in the bible. Can the holy then thou Chinese Christian comply? I can’t. I AM a sinner and I admit so. But to those holy than thou Christian. COMPLY or else…

      http://www.openbible.info/topics/hypocrisy

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      Be not a witness against your neighbor without cause, and do not deceive with your lips.

      Psalm 50:16 ESV / 17 helpful votes

      But to the wicked God says: “What right have you to recite my statutes or take my covenant on your lips?

      Proverbs 26:19 ESV / 16 helpful votes

      Is the man who deceives his neighbor and says, “I am only joking!”

      Revelation 2:2 ESV / 15 helpful votes

      “‘I know your works, your toil and your patient endurance, and how you cannot bear with those who are evil, but have tested those who call themselves apostles and are not, and found them to be false.

      Matthew 6:16 ESV / 15 helpful votes

      “And when you fast, do not look gloomy like the hypocrites, for they disfigure their faces that their fasting may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.

      Jeremiah 7:8-10 ESV / 15 helpful votes

      “Behold, you trust in deceptive words to no avail. Will you steal, murder, commit adultery, swear falsely, make offerings to Baal, and go after other gods that you have not known, and then come and stand before me in this house, which is called by my name, and say, ‘We are delivered!’—only to go on doing all these abominations?

      Isaiah 29:13 ESV / 15 helpful votes

      And the Lord said: “Because this people draw near with their mouth and honor me with their lips, while their hearts are far from me, and their fear of me is a commandment taught by men,

      Romans 3:23 ESV / 14 helpful votes

      For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

      Luke 16:13 ESV / 14 helpful votes

      No servant can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.”

      Matthew 9:13 ESV / 14 helpful votes

      Go and learn what this means, ‘I desire mercy, and not sacrifice.’ For I came not to call the righteous, but sinners.”

      Matthew 7:5-6 ESV / 14 helpful votes

      You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye. “Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, lest they trample them underfoot and turn to attack you.

      Revelation 3:15-18 ESV / 13 helpful votes

      “‘I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were either cold or hot! So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth. For you say, I am rich, I have prospered, and I need nothing, not realizing that you are wretched, pitiable, poor, blind, and naked. I counsel you to buy from me gold refined by fire, so that you may be rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself and the shame of your nakedness may not be seen, and salve to anoint your eyes, so that you may see.

      Ezekiel 33:30-32 ESV / 13 helpful votes

      “As for you, son of man, your people who talk together about you by the walls and at the doors of the houses, say to one another, each to his brother, ‘Come, and hear what the word is that comes from the Lord.’ And they come to you as people come, and they sit before you as my people, and they hear what you say but they will not do it; for with lustful talk in their mouths they act; their heart is set on their gain. And behold, you are to them like one who sings lustful songs with a beautiful voice and plays well on an instrument, for they hear what you say, but they will not do it.

      Ezekiel 14:7 ESV / 13 helpful votes

      For any one of the house of Israel, or of the strangers who sojourn in Israel, who separates himself from me, taking his idols into his heart and putting the stumbling block of his iniquity before his face, and yet comes to a prophet to consult me through him, I the Lord will answer him myself.

      Isaiah 61:8 ESV / 13 helpful votes

      For I the Lord love justice; I hate robbery and wrong; I will faithfully give them their recompense, and I will make an everlasting covenant with them.

      Isaiah 58:2-5 ESV / 13 helpful votes

      Yet they seek me daily and delight to know my ways, as if they were a nation that did righteousness and did not forsake the judgment of their God; they ask of me righteous judgments; they delight to draw near to God. ‘Why have we fasted, and you see it not? Why have we humbled ourselves, and you take no knowledge of it?’ Behold, in the day of your fast you seek your own pleasure, and oppress all your workers. Behold, you fast only to quarrel and to fight and to hit with a wicked fist. Fasting like yours this day will not make your voice to be heard on high. Is such the fast that I choose, a day for a person to humble himself? Is it to bow down his head like a reed, and to spread sackcloth and ashes under him? Will you call this a fast, and a day acceptable to the Lord?

      Isaiah 29:15 ESV / 13 helpful votes

      Ah, you who hide deep from the Lord your counsel, whose deeds are in the dark, and who say, “Who sees us? Who knows us?”

      2 Peter 2:1-3 ESV / 12 helpful votes

      But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.

      Ezekiel 5:11 ESV / 12 helpful votes

      Therefore, as I live, declares the Lord God, surely, because you have defiled my sanctuary with all your detestable things and with all your abominations, therefore I will withdraw. My eye will not spare, and I will have no pity.

      Proverbs 2:1-9:18 ESV / 12 helpful votes

      My son, if you receive my words and treasure up my commandments with you, making your ear attentive to wisdom and inclining your heart to understanding; yes, if you call out for insight and raise your voice for understanding, if you seek it like silver and search for it as for hidden treasures, then you will understand the fear of the Lord and find the knowledge of God.

      Jude 1:11 ESV / 11 helpful votes

      Woe to them! For they walked in the way of Cain and abandoned themselves for the sake of gain to Balaam’s error and perished in Korah’s rebellion.

      Luke 13:14-17 ESV / 11 helpful votes

      But the ruler of the synagogue, indignant because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath, said to the people, “There are six days in which work ought to be done. Come on those days and be healed, and not on the Sabbath day.” Then the Lord answered him, “You hypocrites! Does not each of you on the Sabbath untie his ox or his donkey from the manger and lead it away to water it? And ought not this woman, a daughter of Abraham whom Satan bound for eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath day?” As he said these things, all his adversaries were put to shame, and all the people rejoiced at all the glorious things that were done by him.

      Luke 11:39-52 ESV / 11 helpful votes

      And the Lord said to him, “Now you Pharisees cleanse the outside of the cup and of the dish, but inside you are full of greed and wickedness. You fools! Did not he who made the outside make the inside also? But give as alms those things that are within, and behold, everything is clean for you. “But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and every herb, and neglect justice and the love of God. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others. Woe to you Pharisees! For you love the best seat in the synagogues and greetings in the marketplaces.

      Amos 5:21-27 ESV / 11 helpful votes

      “I hate, I despise your feasts, and I take no delight in your solemn assemblies. Even though you offer me your burnt offerings and grain offerings, I will not accept them; and the peace offerings of your fattened animals, I will not look upon them. Take away from me the noise of your songs; to the melody of your harps I will not listen. But let justice roll down like waters, and righteousness like an ever-flowing stream. “Did you bring to me sacrifices and offerings during the forty years in the wilderness, O house of Israel?

      Jeremiah 17:9 ESV / 11 helpful votes

      The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it?

      Revelation 2:9 ESV / 10 helpful votes

      “‘I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich) and the slander of those who say that they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.

      1 John 3:16-17 ESV / 10 helpful votes

      By this we know love, that he laid down his life for us, and we ought to lay down our lives for the brothers. But if anyone has the world’s goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God’s love abide in him?

      Romans 13:11-14 ESV / 10 helpful votes

      Besides this you know the time, that the hour has come for you to wake from sleep. For salvation is nearer to us now than when we first believed. The night is far gone; the day is at hand. So then let us cast off the works of darkness and put on the armor of light. Let us walk properly as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and sensuality, not in quarreling and jealousy. But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires.

      Luke 12:54-56 ESV / 10 helpful votes

      He also said to the crowds, “When you see a cloud rising in the west, you say at once, ‘A shower is coming.’ And so it happens. And when you see the south wind blowing, you say, ‘There will be scorching heat,’ and it happens. You hypocrites! You know how to interpret the appearance of earth and sky, but why do you not know how to interpret the present time?

      Matthew 21:28-32 ESV / 10 helpful votes

      “What do you think? A man had two sons. And he went to the first and said, ‘Son, go and work in the vineyard today.’ And he answered, ‘I will not,’ but afterward he changed his mind and went. And he went to the other son and said the same. And he answered, ‘I go, sir,’ but did not go. Which of the two did the will of his father?” They said, “The first.” Jesus said to them, “Truly, I say to you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes go into the kingdom of God before you. For John came to you in the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes believed him. And even when you saw it, you did not afterward change your minds and believe him.

      Micah 3:11 ESV / 10 helpful votes

      Its heads give judgment for a bribe; its priests teach for a price; its prophets practice divination for money; yet they lean on the Lord and say, “Is not the Lord in the midst of us? No disaster shall come upon us.”

      Jeremiah 12:2 ESV / 10 helpful votes

      You plant them, and they take root; they grow and produce fruit; you are near in their mouth and far from their heart.

      Jeremiah 3:11 ESV / 10 helpful votes

      And the Lord said to me, “Faithless Israel has shown herself more righteous than treacherous Judah.

      Jude 1:12 ESV / 9 helpful votes

      These are hidden reefs at your love feasts, as they feast with you without fear, shepherds feeding themselves; waterless clouds, swept along by winds; fruitless trees in late autumn, twice dead, uprooted;

      James 1:25-27 ESV / 9 helpful votes

      But the one who looks into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and perseveres, being no hearer who forgets but a doer who acts, he will be blessed in his doing. If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person’s religion is worthless. Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.

      Matthew 27:24 ESV / 9 helpful votes

      So when Pilate saw that he was gaining nothing, but rather that a riot was beginning, he took water and washed his hands before the crowd, saying, “I am innocent of this man’s blood; see to it yourselves.”

      Matthew 25:41-45 ESV / 9 helpful votes

      “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’

      Isaiah 65:5 ESV / 9 helpful votes

      Who say, “Keep to yourself, do not come near me, for I am too holy for you.” These are a smoke in my nostrils, a fire that burns all the day.

      Isaiah 32:6 ESV / 9 helpful votes

      For the fool speaks folly, and his heart is busy with iniquity, to practice ungodliness, to utter error concerning the Lord, to leave the craving of the hungry unsatisfied, and to deprive the thirsty of drink.

      Isaiah 1:11-15 ESV / 9 helpful votes

      “What to me is the multitude of your sacrifices? says the Lord; I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams and the fat of well-fed beasts; I do not delight in the blood of bulls, or of lambs, or of goats. “When you come to appear before me, who has required of you this trampling of my courts? Bring no more vain offerings; incense is an abomination to me. New moon and Sabbath and the calling of convocations— I cannot endure iniquity and solemn assembly. Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hates; they have become a burden to me; I am weary of bearing them. When you spread out your hands, I will hide my eyes from you; even though you make many prayers, I will not listen; your hands are full of blood.

      Psalm 55:12-14 ESV / 9 helpful votes

      For it is not an enemy who taunts me— then I could bear it; it is not an adversary who deals insolently with me— then I could hide from him. But it is you, a man, my equal, my companion, my familiar friend. We used to take sweet counsel together; within God’s house we walked in the throng.

      Matthew 15:1-9 ESV / 8 helpful votes

      Then Pharisees and scribes came to Jesus from Jerusalem and said, “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat.” He answered them, “And why do you break the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition? For God commanded, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.’ But you say, ‘If anyone tells his father or his mother, “What you would have gained from me is given to God,”

      Hosea 8:13 ESV / 8 helpful votes

      As for my sacrificial offerings, they sacrifice meat and eat it, but the Lord does not accept them. Now he will remember their iniquity and punish their sins; they shall return to Egypt.

      Jeremiah 3:10 ESV / 8 helpful votes

      Yet for all this her treacherous sister Judah did not return to me with her whole heart, but in pretense, declares the Lord.”

      Isaiah 7:12 ESV / 8 helpful votes

      But Ahaz said, “I will not ask, and I will not put the Lord to the test.”

      Proverbs 7:10-21 ESV / 8 helpful votes

      And behold, the woman meets him, dressed as a prostitute, wily of heart. She is loud and wayward; her feet do not stay at home; now in the street, now in the market, and at every corner she lies in wait. She seizes him and kisses him, and with bold face she says to him, “I had to offer sacrifices, and today I have paid my vows;

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      Job 27:8-10 ESV / 8 helpful votes

      For what is the hope of the godless when God cuts him off, when God takes away his life? Will God hear his cry when distress comes upon him? Will he take delight in the Almighty? Will he call upon God at all times?

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  • 31. Mulan  |  June 23, 2014 at 4:18 pm

    Kak Helen you should read this.
    http://www.usislam.org/comparative/what_the_bible_says_about_hijab.htm

    ” Most of Christian friends say, what happened to you Zainab, you look like a ghost but I smile at them, and say you do not understand what you are talking about and it is better for you to study your Bible because even the Bible is very strict for the woman:

    1 Corinthian 11:5-6 says

    but any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled disgraces her head—it is one and the same thing as having her head shaved. For if a woman will not veil herself, then she should cut off her hair; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or to be shaved, she should wear a veil.

    So, the commandment for a woman to cover her head is in the Holy Bible.”

    “Unfortunately, under the guise of modernity, a vast majority of Christians themselves today are not following the teachings of the Holy Bible – the large majority of Christian women do not cover their heads and/or their bodies.”

    Your question: Since Hannah Yeoh wants so much to cover her head – and she is a Christian – why don’t she wear a habit like the Catholic nuns?

    She should or else she is just being disobedient under the guise of modernity.

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    • 32. Helen Ang  |  June 23, 2014 at 4:30 pm

      Okay. Every time Hannah Yeoh’s photo appears in the media, maybe someone should advise in the Comments Section that righteous Christian women cover their head properly in a closed habit like the nuns.

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  • 33. Mulan  |  June 23, 2014 at 4:20 pm

    Here is bible verses regarding headscarves.

    http://english.tebyan.net/newindex.aspx?pid=66066

    King James Bible CORINTHIANS 11:1-18

    11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
    11:2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.

    11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
    11:4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
    11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
    11:6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
    11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

    11:8 For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.
    11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
    11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.
    11:11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.
    11:12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.
    11:13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?
    11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
    11:15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.
    11:16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.
    11:17 Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse
    11:18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.

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  • 34. ahmadalikarim  |  June 23, 2014 at 4:31 pm

    Dear Aunty Helen,

    Do you think that they’ll respect the law after the court had made this final decision? If they are as fair and as honest as what they claimed to be, they’ll respect the law. Or do they only want others to follow the law? I am tired of their attitude.

    By the way, I was at the Istana Kehakiman this morning, and saw lots of reporters covering the event. Will write about it soon.

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    • 35. Helen Ang  |  June 23, 2014 at 4:38 pm

      re: “I am tired of their attitude.”

      I am sick and tired of their attitude.

      re: “By the way, I was at the Istana Kehakiman this morning, and saw lots of reporters covering the event. Will write about it soon.”

      Great. Will check out your blog.

      http://ahmadalikarim.wordpress.com

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      • 36. ahmadalikarim  |  June 24, 2014 at 10:57 am

        Dear Aunty Helen,
        I’ve uploaded some of the interesting photos snapped at the Istana Kehakiman yesterday morning. http://ahmadalikarim.wordpress.com/2014/06/23/in-photo-at-the-istana-kehakiman-for-the-court-decision-on-kalimah-allah/

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        • 37. Helen Ang  |  June 24, 2014 at 11:00 am

          You’ve grown taller. How many inches you shot up in just the last year alone?

          Do you like Putrajaya? What do you think of the place?

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          • 38. ahmadalikarim  |  June 25, 2014 at 12:58 pm

            Dear Aunty Helen,

            I didn’t realise that I’ve grown quite a lot. But my jubah had been growing shorter :)

            I kind of like Putrajaya because of the architecture. Especially the Kompleks Perbadanan Putrajaya. It’s arch has a lift in it. Furthermore, Putrajaya does not have pubs and those kind of things like in Jeru-Subang :)

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            • 39. Helen Ang  |  June 25, 2014 at 1:13 pm

              Putrajaya has only a few Dapsters (Regina being a prominent specimen).

              There are pros and cons to this circumstance.

              (1) A Dapster-free environment allows the VVIP and top bureaucrats to do their work without being continually hassled and heckled by fault finders who have nothing constructive to offer.

              (2) The same Dapster-free environment also insulates the PM. And since he is spared having to go through these close encounters like us ordinary folks are subjected to, his lack of exposure makes him unable to correctly read the Dapster nature. That’s why he’s not firm unlike Dr M who was forged in the mettle of the turbulent 1940s.

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              • 40. shamshul anuar  |  January 22, 2015 at 4:48 pm

                Helen,

                I asked my Christian friends of mine on their view on this :allah ” issue. They responded by saying they have other more important things in life to think about such as funding children tertiary education and cost of buying houses.

                I curiously asked what they worship. They replied Jesus, nabi Isa, God. No one ever answered “allah”.

                One of them bluntly told she is irritated that some pastors insist on using Allah and thus creating problem out of nothing.

                The above conversation make me ordinary Christians too are not happy. Not happy because nasty politicians like Guan Eng, Hannah Yeoh are creating problems to Christians simply for political reason.

                I advise them to free themselves from self appointed God’s envoy on this planet. How ? they asked me? By telling off these useless politicians that they to do speak on our behalf.

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                • 41. Helen Ang  |  January 22, 2015 at 5:28 pm

                  re: “some pastors insist on using Allah”

                  Is your Christian friend a pribumi and is her church (presumably in KL) one that caters to Borneo native Christians?

                  Otherwise her Klang Valley pastor appears to me to be deliberately defiant.

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                  • 42. Shamshul Anuar  |  January 24, 2015 at 8:08 am

                    Helen,

                    The friend of mine is from Tuaran, Sabah. He stays in Subang area. And what he said is very interesting.

                    He told me though the word ‘allah” appears in Bible circulated in Sabah, almost all Christians never use the word. He said he had not heard Christians in Sabah mention the word “allah”. All of them said Jesus, God, tuhan.

                    So he said why insist on using the word that no Christians use in daily life.

                    I told him that by insisting on using the word ‘allah”, DAP wants to infer that UMNO( Muslim dominated government) is against Christianity. It will bring Christian votes to them. More importantly it will help in bringing Sarawak out from Malaysia.

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                    • 43. Helen Ang  |  January 24, 2015 at 12:48 pm

                      Aaah, you’re friend’s church is the “let’s take Subang for Jesus” gang.

    • 44. helang  |  June 23, 2014 at 6:22 pm

      How old are you Ahmad?

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    • 46. abc  |  June 24, 2014 at 9:13 am

      The decision of the Federal Court is only binding on The Herald. Christians can continue to use the word Allah in other context.

      http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/federal-court-decision-on-allah-only-for-herald-says-putrajaya

      Don’t extend the court decision outside of The Herald. Surprised that a lawyer like Zul Nordin can interprete the court decision in a way to justify the JAIS seizure of BSM bibles. Both are two distinct matters with different parties.

      Nevertheless, based on the court decision the Home Minister is now empowered by his executive powers to ban the usage of certain words. To me, this is a dangerous precedent to equip the Minister or government with discretionary powers to limit the freedom of religion of non-Islamic faith.

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  • 48. Mulan  |  June 23, 2014 at 4:39 pm

    Ulang tayang.

    While we are the subject of headscarves, the Bible mentioned the dishonor of a woman with her head shown.
    Remember Betty Chew (FLoP – First Lady of Penang.) For a Catholic to have her head shaved is dishonorable.
    https://helenang.wordpress.com/2013/05/28/the-secret-life-of-betty-bald/

    “11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
    11:6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.”

    “For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn”. Most Chinese Christians don’t realise this. If you want to uncover, it is as good as go botak like FLoP Betty.

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    • 49. kampong lad  |  June 23, 2014 at 7:07 pm

      tak perlu susah2, jumpa paderi, buat confession & bayar tol, all the sins forgiven.

      Reply
  • 50. Keris  |  June 23, 2014 at 4:56 pm

    RE: “The judgment on the Herald‘s ‘Allah’ appeal was read in the Federal Court today. There have been loud, nasty and hostile reactions from the Chinese DAP supporters to the judges’ 4-3 decision.”

    Why do you want so much to perpetrate a 2000 year old hoax, that idenigates the holy name of “ALLAH” by professing the Lord Most High to be your trinitarian godhead whose blood sacrifice vicariously atones for all humanity’s wickedness sinfulness …. who will fill the hells then? and how shall heaven be granted immunity from the purveyors of falsehood and deceptions?

    First, show us the original gospels of Jesus the Messiah that were transmitted by the Jerusalem community as led by James the Just, the brother of Jesus, and his direct disciples, Peter, John, Thomas, Matthew, Barnabas, Mary Magdalene and so on …. (peace be upon them)

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    • 51. Keris  |  June 23, 2014 at 6:44 pm

      (correction): “Why do you want so much to perpetrate a 2000 year old hoax that DENIGRATES the holy name of “ALLAH” by professing the Lord Most High to be your trinitarian godhead whose blood sacrifice vicariously atones for all humanity’s wickedness sinfulness?”

      The Quran says about the Judaeo-Christians or the Ebionites of the Jerusalem church:
      “Strongest among men in enmity to the faithful are the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the faithful are those who say, “We are Christians”: because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.”

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      • 52. idris md isa  |  June 23, 2014 at 7:10 pm

        THE latter part of the verse refers to Christians of Najran, including their king, who reverted to Islam upon hearing the message from Muhammad [saw]…don’t manipulate & abuse it

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        • 53. Helen Ang  |  June 23, 2014 at 7:41 pm

          Can you pls gimme the surah & ayat? Thanks.

          The Christians make this claim way too often. Perhaps it should be debunked.

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          • 54. LY  |  June 23, 2014 at 9:23 pm

            “Can you pls gimme the surah & ayat?”

            Surah Al-Maa’idah (5) Ayat 82 :

            These verses are speaking of some Christian people who, when they came to know the truth, became Muslim and declared their faith.

            http://islamqa.info/en/22182

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            • 55. Helen Ang  |  June 23, 2014 at 10:17 pm

              Thanks.

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        • 56. Keris  |  June 24, 2014 at 3:49 am

          The Christians of Najran did not revert to Islam. Here is their story from Wikipedia:

          The existence of a Christian community in Najran is attested by several historical sources of the Arabic peninsula, where it recorded as having been created in the 5th century CE or perhaps a century earlier. According to the Arab Muslim historian, Ibn Ishaq, Najran was the first place where Christianity took root in South Arabia.

          The bishops of Najran, who were probably NESTORIANS, came to the great fairs of Mina and Ukaz, and preached Christianity, each seated on a camel as in a pulpit. The Church of Najran was called the Ka’bat Najran. (Note that several other shrines in Arabia were also called Ka’aba meaning square like building). The Ka’aba Najran at Jabal Taslal drew worshippers for some 40 years during the pre-Islamic era. The Arabian sources single out Khath’am, as a Christian tribe which used to perform the pilgrimage to the Christian Ka’aba of Najran. When Najran was occupied by the evil king Dhu Nuwas, the Ka’aba Najran was burned together with the bones of its martyrs and some 2,000 live Christians within it.

          *** The Nestorians were famed for their religious piety and learning of the sciences, and above all were UNITARIAN Christians who had been banished by the Trinitarian Roman Catholic Church in the West eastwards towards the Arabic lands. Nestorian Christians do not believe that the Messiah Jesus is God the Son, although they venerate Jesus’ miraculous birth from the Virgin Mary. ***

          In the tenth year of the Hijrah, a delegation of fourteen Christian Chiefs from Najran; among them Abdul Masih of Bani Kinda, their chief, and Abdul Harith, bishop of Bani Harith, came to Medina to make a treaty with the Islamic prophet Muhammad, and were permitted by him to pray in his mosque, which they did turning towards the east.

          Later, they undertook a religious discussion with the prophet, which was inconclusive but ended with signing a treaty between the two parties. Muhammad concluded a treaty with their Chiefs and Bishops, which on payment of a tribute of 2000 pieces of cloth, valued at 40 dirhams each, secured them in the undisturbed profession of their ancestral faith. Throughout the rebellion they remained loyal to their engagements, and Abu Bakr renewed the treaty. According to the treaty, the people of Najran like the Christians of the Banu Taghlib tribe were exempted from paying the Jizya required of all non Muslims. The peace agreement also stipulated that the town supply 30 sets of armor, 30 horses and 30 camels for operations along the Gulf coast or in Yemen.

          A part of the Najran Treaty that was sealed between the Prophet Muhammad and the Christians of Najran reads as follows:

          “This is a message from Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them. Verily I, the servants, the helpers, and my followers defend them, because Christians are my citizens; and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them.
          No compulsion is to be on them. Neither are their judges to be removed from their jobs nor their monks from their monasteries. No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims’ houses. Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God’s covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate.

          No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight. The Muslims are to fight for them.

          If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, it is not to take place without her approval. She is not to be prevented from visiting her church to pray.

          Their Churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants. No one of the nation (of Muslims) is to disobey this covenant till the Last Day (end of the world).”

          NB: Nearly all present day Christians in Malaysia are nominal followers of the Paul’s Christianity who profess in the divinity of Jesus. Their Bible was canonized by Emperor Constantine in the 4th century AD, and they despise the Ebionites and Nestorian Christians as heretics because of their strict monotheism who just like the creed of the Muslims who profess that: “Allah is One and Absolute; The Lord Most High begets (no offspring) and He was not begotten (from any parents), and there is no likeness or associations for Him whatsoever.”

          **** Therefore I say that the verse 82 of chapter Maidah refers not to the Pauline Trinitarian Christians who make up the predominant school in the world today – in fact Paul of Tarsus colluded with the Greek Pagan beliefs of divine sonship and blood sacrifices which we witness in his “Christian” profession of Jesus blood sacrifice on the cross to redeem souls who condemn themselves by their own sinfulness. Paul is thought by some reliable Biblical historians to have belonged to the family of the evil Jewish king Herod, a puppet of the Roman Empire, who had killed the Prophet Zacharius (Zakaria) and his son Prophet John (Yahya); Herod’s power extended over the evil Jewish priesthood known as the Sadducees, whose chief priest Ananas was loathed by the common Jewish people because of his wickedness. ****

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          • 57. Abdullah  |  June 24, 2014 at 5:54 pm

            Waraqah bin Naufal, the cousin of Prophet Muhammad’s beloved wif Khatijah, was the chief Ebionite (Jewish Christian) priest of Mecca. So the lineage of these Jerusalem Christians headed by James the Just is intimately linked to the the Quranic revelation set in the backdrop of Arabia.

            Muslims are taught that Prophet Isa, or Jesus the Messiah was sent to the Jews to renew the Law of Moses, and to revitalize the spirits of the Jews who were living under the oppression of the Roman empire and its cruel puppet king Herod.

            Paul was a persecutor of these early Christians and when he converted after his “Damascus experience” he was nevertheless a renegade figure with his pagan syncretic dogma of the God-Man Jesus and he travelled about seeking the approval of the people and was often in conflict with the direct disciples of Jesus, the Ebionites. Unfortunately, the present Christian bible is the dogma of Paul of Tarsus, not the original teachings of Isa, the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him.

            The Family of Jesus the Messiah [YouTube]

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  • 58. Suara Lensa  |  June 23, 2014 at 5:33 pm

    brilliant writer

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  • 59. TT  |  June 23, 2014 at 5:34 pm

    I have no interest in religion. A blardy waste of time if you ask me.

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  • 60. RINA  |  June 23, 2014 at 6:27 pm

    Dandy,

    http://www.perkim.net.my/wilayah-persekutuan/

    Go to the nearest branches should you have questions on Islam. Don’t simply ask anyone, ramai yg ghaku diri mereka Ahli Agama and will give you all sorts of nonsense.

    When Tembam tweeted tht she n hubby preached in their Church people like me memang heran, are they qualified?

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  • 61. helang  |  June 23, 2014 at 8:34 pm

    Hannah and Lawrence. You prayed to Allah and Allah answered the Muslim’s prayer or doa because Allah is Muslims’s God.

    Allah knows that you are not sincere and tries to manipulate the Muslims here into believing your God is Allah. Vatican does not use the name Allah in their prayer.

    If you are sincere that Allah is your God why don’t you embrace Islam? Then we can become real brothers and sisters. Allah is great.

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    • 62. mulan  |  June 23, 2014 at 10:42 pm

      Then we can become real brothers and sisters.

      I don’t think you want such troublesome people as your kinsmen. A virus in any name is a virus. Ebola will not become a cute puppy.

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    • 63. Haji Mohd Zin  |  January 22, 2015 at 12:46 pm

      For comically going up and down courts, adinda Ms Helen
      Father Lawrence to be included in the Malaysia list
      ( with Ms Hannah, dia Catholic ke ? )
      to Vatican for sainthood boleh?

      Haji M Zin
      Alor Gajah DPH

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  • 64. anti tukang kipas  |  June 23, 2014 at 9:13 pm

    this has got to be The hannah yeoh secret admirer’s fan club
    you guys are paying her more attention than she deserves
    the obsession has elevated her to almost cult status
    if my girlfriend is so obsessed with me i would definitely tell her politely to hold her ‘adoring tongue’ and i am not even a woman

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    • 65. Helen Ang  |  June 23, 2014 at 10:32 pm

      Hannah has got 94,000 Twitter followers. She is a media manufactured “cult personality”, particularly by The J-Star, Selangor Times and related magazines that profile her. It helps to have two photogenic mixed kids and she exploits them to the max, from birth.

      Even Malaysiakini puts her on their Twitter roll as a “newsmaker”, konon.

      If Dyana Sofya had won that day in Teluk Intan, the alternative and Malay media would have similarly propelled her into the limelight. Many media highlight Ridhuan Tee too but some in a negative sense.

      As to the role of the media, think the past Umno Selangor Menteris Besar … Khir Toyo, Abu Hassan Omar and Muhammad x2 Taib. Who were the Selangor Speakers during their tenure? Did the media give them any publicity?

      Did the Speaker sit beside Khir Toyo when he gave his press conferences? Or did the media focus on the previous DAP Speaker under Khalid Ibrahim, i.e. Hannah’s predecessor Teng Chang Khim?

      When Hannah was appointed Speaker, The J-Star tweeted the “thrilling” news 10 times within the span of a day. It goes to show that her cult status is media-made, particularly by The J-Star. It’s definitely the evangelical Christian networking.

      Nurul Izzah is good looking compared to this Koh Tsu Koon lookalike but Nurul does not get the same kind of positive publicity from The J-Star.

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      • 66. anti tukang kipas  |  June 24, 2014 at 12:28 am

        good on her, she must be doing something right to get all these unsolicited attention and expose half the coterie in here with penned up envy
        in a situation like this, what would you do to pacify these unwarranted jealousy and hatred?

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        • 67. Helen Ang  |  June 24, 2014 at 12:35 am

          Would you consider a similar Christian cult figure, like say Tammy Faye Bakker, elicited unwarranted jealousy and hatred? Or deserved?

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          • 68. Kak Mar  |  June 24, 2014 at 8:59 am

            Haha… Tammy “Fake” Baker. I remembered seeing a lot of her on TV in the US. She is so fake, as fake as her mascara. She cried crocodile tears all the time on TV until her mascara dripped on her cheeks. In the end, the real her was exposed.! What a shame to Christianity she has brought.

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            • 69. Helen Ang  |  June 24, 2014 at 9:24 am

              re: ” In the end, the real her was exposed!”

              Same thing will happen with Hannah-“I will pray for you”-Yeoh.

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  • 70. ED  |  June 23, 2014 at 11:34 pm

    Ms H. What are these fakes going to do ? They have never offered anything constructive which benefits all but only themselves and put themselves into a fancy garb alien to themselves. I honestly think this bunch of fellows from a particular Chinese clan should be exposed for what they really are !

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  • 71. RINA  |  June 24, 2014 at 2:02 am

    Bukan jeles tapi rasa malu, no “class” maa.

    Lebih2 lagi ngaku diri dia mempreach Agama Christian, hissssh kita yg pernah bermesra dengan Catholic Nuns sejak kecil dulu tapi bila tengok muka dia and her family tak tau pasai apa instantly teringat Jim Jones. Ngeri owh!

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  • 72. LY  |  June 24, 2014 at 8:06 am

    “There have been loud, nasty and hostile reactions from the Chinese DAP supporters to the judges’ 4-3 decision.”
    “But they (the Born Agains) keep demonising the Malays in this ‘Allah’ issue.”

    “So, clearly, it is not about Christianity or Jesus or ‘Allah’. It is actually all about Malaysian Malaysia, right up to the New World Order.” :-

    http://hardtalkmalaysia.blogspot.com/2014/06/is-christian-religion-philosophy-or-tool.html

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  • 73. LY  |  June 24, 2014 at 8:15 am

    Another interesting posting from Hardtalk Malaysia:-

    “Would the Christians who pray to ‘Allah’ please Stand Up?”

    http://hardtalkmalaysia.blogspot.com/2014/06/would-christians-who-pray-to-allah.html

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  • 74. Jamie  |  June 24, 2014 at 1:45 pm

    One name came to mind: Christiaan Snouck Hurgronje

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  • 75. The Dictator  |  January 21, 2015 at 12:29 pm

    Hannah oh Hannah

    http://gbgerakbudaya.com/bookshop/index.php?main_page=page&id=28

    Best Actress award for her ?

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  • 78. Mulan of Malaysia  |  January 22, 2015 at 10:12 am

    I got this from your link to the article about attacks on Christians due to the Charlie Hedbo incident.

    http://www.christianitytoday.com/gleanings/2015/january/not-forgotten-top-50-countries-world-watch-list-open-doors.html

    Did you notice North Korea is the country that is Number ONE does not like Christians? It seems like the press seems to love to target Muslim nations as being Christian unfriendly but in real sense even countries with other religions don’t really like them.

    For example Vietnam is 16th of the list, Myammar is 25th (and the ranks are climbing), China and India (climbing too).
    The tolerance for Christianity in most populace nations like India and China are thinning. Muslim-Christian relationship is ACTUALLY improving but with other faiths it is not.

    ” “New co-operative relationships are being forged between Muslim and Christian in the Middle East caldron that could have wonderful long term benefits.”
    “China is still undecided about how to deal with the church. … If Christianity can sound, look and be Chinese enough, we might just see the church continuing to be invited to play a fuller role in the building of the new China.”

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  • 79. ED  |  January 24, 2015 at 1:56 pm

    Ms H. The pin-pricks, the brainwashing etc by the Singaporean Trojan Horse DAP which cause great dismay between our communities will diminish once we switch from referring to the Consitution to our FREE MALAYSIAN STYLE DEMOCRACY (which is practised by the West) WITH ITS OPEN CAPITALISTIC CHARACTERISTICS. Why ?

    It is because the DAP AS PART OF THE PAP PRACTISES THE GODLESS ULTRA COMMUNISTIC POLITICAL AND SOCIAL SYSTEM AS IMPOSED ON THE CITIZENS BY THE RULER 1959 – 2015, IMPLEMENTED BY HIS APPARATCHIKS. All monies legally garnered into the Government coffers. The moment all Malaysians understand our reliable and tested System, they will realise WE HAVE NO DIFFERENCES BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IN THE SAME OBJECTIVES. The DAP will have no place to hide but to go back to PAP Singapore.

    It is not the Constitution but the Political System, stupid DAP !

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    • 80. apparently hidden  |  January 24, 2015 at 5:09 pm

      It’s getting eerie . . .

      [YouTube]

      “The proportions of this rebellion were not for a long time understood. I saw that it involved the greatest difficulties, and would call forth all the powers of the whole country.”
      – Abe Lincoln

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    • 81. ED  |  January 24, 2015 at 5:40 pm

      Ms H. Rightly, the tom-tom voodoo types should be doing their thing for the MCA and not the Singaporean Trojan Horse DAP which umbiliical link to PAP Singapore only confirms certain Roman Catholic and other new Christian altercations there not too long ago. Where is the MCA ?

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    • 82. ancient altercations  |  January 24, 2015 at 8:35 pm

      The Clementine Homilies vs the Lie of Saul and the Roman Catholic Testament

      http://paulproblem.faithweb.com/clementine_homolies_preserve_message.htm

      Peter levels his most telling argument against Paul’s claim of apostleship through his vision of Jesus:

      “If, then, our Yeshua (Jesus) appeared to you in a vision, made himself known to you, and spoke to you, it was as one who Is enraged with an adversary (Saul was a persecutor of the Nazarenes); and this is the reason why It was through visions and dreams, or through revelations that were from without, that He spoke to you.

      But can any one be rendered fit for instruction through apparitions? And if you will say, “It is possible,” then I ask, “Why did our teacher abide and discourse a whole year to those of us who were awake?” And how are we to believe your word, when you tell us that he appeared to you? And how did he appear to you, when you entertain opinions contrary to his teaching?

      But If you were truly seen and taught by him, and become his apostle for a single hour, proclaim his utterances, interpret his sayings, and love his apostles, then contend not with me who accompanied him. For in direct opposition to me, who am the rock, the foundation of the church, you now stand. If you were not opposed to me, you would not accuse me, and revile the truth proclaimed by me, in order that I may not be believed when I state what I myself have heard with my own ears from the lord Yeshua – as if I were evidently a person that was condemned and in bad repute. But if you say that I am condemned, you bring an accusation against God, who revealed the Christ to me, and you inveigh against him who pronounced me blessed on account of the revelation. And if indeed, you really wish to work In the cause of truth, learn first of all from us (the Jerusalem Church) what we have learned from him and, becoming a disciple of the truth, become a fellow worker with us.” — (HOMILY XVII, 19)

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      • 83. ancient altercations  |  January 25, 2015 at 8:38 am

        Although the Roman Catholic church claims that Peter was the first Pope, it is strange that we never find any such claim by Peter. The fact that Jesus never instituted the office of Pope in his church during his earthly ministry plainly shows that the Pope is neither Bishop of bishops [Pontifex Maximus] nor the successor of the apostle Peter.

        Martin Luther himself also witnessed that Rome with its popes was anything but a holy city. He was quoted as saying, “No one can imagine what sins and infamous actions are committed in Rome, they must be seen and heard to be believed.” It has been said, “If there be a hell, Rome is built over it.” Corruption and wickedness have manifested in the lives of many of the popes which seriously undermines the belief of “apostolic succession” – the claim that the Roman Catholic church is the one “true” church supposedly claiming to trace a line of pope back to Peter, since Peter himself stressed the importance of holiness. It is important to note that pagan popes can be traced back to Babylon but no Christian popes existed until the pagan emperor Constantine in 312 A.D. declared himself to be Pope.

        MITHRAISM & THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH
        http://www.hope-of-israel.org/mithraism.html

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  • 84. ED  |  January 25, 2015 at 9:36 am

    Ms H. The tom-tom voodoo types from the Deep South get mixed up between a religion and a political philosophy, our FREE MALAYSIAN STYLE DEMOCRACY WITH CAPITALISTIC CHARACTERSISTCS with the venerable Constitution which safeguards Islam and other relilgions.

    Politically, they fully support the godless Singaporean Trojan Horse DAP with its umbilical link to the godless ULTRA COMMUNISTIC POLITICAL AND SOCIAL SYSTEM IMPOSED ON ITS CITIZENS BY THE RULER 1959 -2015 IMPLEMENTED BY APPARATCHIKS in which all the citizens’ money is legally garnered for the Governmnet coffers !

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    • 85. Helen Ang  |  January 25, 2015 at 11:00 am

      Uncle,

      Post-2008, after Christian carpetbaggers jumped on the bandwagon like a mega congregation due to the party’s March 8 election success, has seen the DAP – particularly its young leadership – become decidedly evangelical.

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  • 86. Haji Mohd Zin  |  January 25, 2015 at 12:15 pm

    Islamophobia has just made the greatest takeoff, adinda Ms Helen
    and there is not the mildest protest not even a line commentary from the Star. Are there no Muslims there?

    Where is the great Malaysian religious tolerance now after all these years? Sdr Paul openly made his comment about the allegedly sinister content of the Friday khutbahs, the weekly highlight for Muslims in the world.

    His comment hurts grossly as it suggests Muslims all over Malaysia are really so gullible(?)

    Haji M Zin
    Alor Gajah DPH

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    • 87. Helen Ang  |  January 25, 2015 at 12:52 pm

      Pak Haji,

      You all (Malays) should invite Sdr Paul to visit the mosque and if it’s permissible, to sit in during khutbah Jumaat to listen for himself.

      He’s not a bad person and he’s not anti-Muslim. If you can win him over by appealing to his sense of justice and fairplay, there’s always the potential that he will fight for your cause.

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      • 88. Haji Mohd Zin  |  January 25, 2015 at 8:32 pm

        Great idea but too little too late kan(?), adinda Ms Helen
        but better he will get his day in court to explain how Muslims in Malaysia happily accept the khutbah, extremist(?) and all..

        OK husnu zahn/ baik sangka(?) there is no Christian evangelist agenda and his sense of justice and fairplay will eventually prevail.

        Haji M Zin
        Alor Gajah DPH

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        • 89. Helen Ang  |  January 25, 2015 at 10:39 pm

          re: “Great idea but too little too late kan(?)”

          Not at all.

          I’m curious as to which direction EP chooses to follow after this. Will he eventually realise that his statement (“Jakim is promoting extremism every Friday”) is inaccurate and hence untruthfu?

          It appears as if he’s elected to be defensive and still sticking up the wet thread in retweeting a Malay Mail article titled ‘When places of worship turned into hatred factories‘ which declared that “(Jakim) had brazenly singled out Christians and Jews as the so-called ‘enemies of Islam’.”

          Personally, I believe that the Surah al-Baqarah verses highlighted by Jakim in its sermon are appropriate and perfectly within context as, after all, the Christians are indeed trying to kebas kalimah Allah.

          re: “but better he will get his day in court to explain how Muslims in Malaysia happily accept the khutbah, extremist(?) and all..”

          The statement EP tweeted is, I believe, reflective of what the folks in his social circle think or might have said among themselves, and they wouldn’t have batted an eyelid at it. Thus he must have been very much taken aback when the Muslim backlash hit him like a ton of bricks.

          We’re living in parallel universes. That’s why EP failed to clue in that what he said would be offensive to the Other.

          re: “OK husnu zahn/ baik sangka(?) there is no Christian evangelist agenda and his sense of justice and fairplay will eventually prevail.”

          He’s probably an idealist.

          Zakiah Koya wrote in Malaysiakini that he used to work with the UN and did advocacy for the Rohingyas.

          Petra Gimbad wrote ‘On the ground when it matters‘ in The Sun Daily. She recalled that he didn’t whinge when taken through little dark alleys to meet the homeless (street people).

          Sounds like a pretty decent guy.

          He’s not a politician. The opposition will take advantage and make use of him and his predicament.

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          • 90. Haji Mohd Zin  |  January 26, 2015 at 10:59 am

            Yes I like your description of us living in ‘parallel universe’ Ms Annie.
            and your clarification of where Sdr Eric came from, although more Muslims from the general public now analyse the Bible and not vice versa.

            Agreed most non-Muslims are totally unaware on the significance of the weekly Khutbah which is compulsory attendance for Muslim men all over the world,

            Haji M Zin
            Alor Gajah DPH

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            • 91. Helen Ang  |  January 26, 2015 at 2:28 pm

              re: “your clarification of where Sdr Eric came from”

              He’s concerned about the deaths of Indian detainees in police custody. As you know, I’ve also blogged on the problems affecting the marginalized Indian urban poor.

              What I know is that when activists voice out on such issues, sometimes we’re misunderstood i.e. mistakenly assumed to be siding with the criminals against the police.

              They may be legitimate suspects of crime but the core of the gangsterism problem is societal – as one example,

              their displacement from the secure albeit insular estate environment when suddenly thrust into urban squatter areas, their parents losing job/livelihood as rubber tappers, the lack of education and opportunities, etc.

              EP’s involvement in activism puts him in the company of the strongly anti-establishment crowd.

              Like I’ve mentioned to you previously, methinks it is a taken-for-grantedness when within their own company, they think and say things that are unacceptable but because of the people he mixes with, his calibration meter (what is acceptable to say and what is not) is awry.

              Just my two sen ‘cos I too used to hang out in the pro-Pakatan circles. But I changed my vote in 2013.

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          • 92. Faizal  |  January 26, 2015 at 1:06 pm

            RE: “Will he eventually realise that his statement (“Jakim is promoting extremism every Friday”) is inaccurate and hence untruthfu?”

            Inaccurate statement would be if he said “Jakim is promoting extremism with every fatwa.” Because Jakim doesn’t issue fatwas, MKI does.

            What he needs to realize is that it is a SWEEPING statement made without REASONABLE PROOF. I can put aside the fact that his definition of “extremism” is definitely not the same as my definition of “extremism.”

            But the fact that he’s basing his observation on scattered bits of second-hand news regarding the content of Friday sermons?

            That’s just sloppy.

            You may cut him some slack because he’s not a politikus. I don’t because there are already too many boys and girls who spread their sloppy, half-baked, unreasoned views on the Internet.

            Bull**** Asymmetry Principle: “The amount of energy needed to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.” [censorship mine

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            • 93. Helen Ang  |  January 26, 2015 at 2:12 pm

              re: “Sweeping statement made without reasonable proof.”

              You’re accurate. I concur.

              re: “You may cut him some slack because he’s not a politikus.”

              I’m cutting him the slack because I too have been questioned by police before, for sedition on account of a report lodged against me by Perkasa Youth :D

              I’m not anti-Malay although some people initially thought that I was from my article’s gripe over the implementation of the NEP. My gut feeling is that he’s not anti-Muslim and it’s a matter of perspective, how we look at things.

              We remain the same individual having the same character, just that over the course of time we may be willing to amend or modify our approach and outlook once we’re able to take in a broader perspective on a multi-faceted issue.

              re: “Bullshit Asymmetry Principle”

              Good one! I so agree.

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              • 94. Faizal  |  January 26, 2015 at 9:09 pm

                Re: Bullshit Asymmetry Principle
                I can’t take credit for that one. It’s by a guy named Alberto Brandolini. Not sure who he is, but it’s a damn good principle.

                Re: “My gut feeling is that he’s not anti-Muslim and it’s a matter of perspective, how we look at things.”
                From an Utusan interview with the KP of JAKIM.
                (jkim.islam.gov.my/en/jangan-gugat-hak-islam-do-not-threaten-islamic-rights-kp-jakim)

                Question: “Apa pula tindakan yang perlu dilakukan oleh umat Islam dalam keadaan ditekan dan diserang sebegini?”

                KP’s answer:
                “Cara terbaik, bagi ruang kepada sistem perundangan berjalan supaya orang yang menghina Islam diadili mengikut proses undang-undang. Hatta, jika kita terpaksa bangkit mempertahankan hak dan maruah Islam pun perlu melalui undang-undang.”

                He wants to talk about extremism? IS, Taliban, Qaeda, Lashkar-e-Taiba, Boko Haram… these are the extremists.

                Has he compared what these groups do and what JAKIM does? Is it that hard to see the world of difference between what JAKIM does every Friday and what the true extremists do every day of the week?

                Which is to say, is it really that hard for him to take “a broader perspective on a multi-faceted issue?”

                My gut tells me his walls are up. He’s been caught with his pants down. And I don’t think he’s the kind of guy who has the cojones to own up to his mistake. So I rate the chances of him modifying or amending his outlook as the same as IS renouncing violence.

                He’s kiasu, when he — and all of us — should be kiasi.

                Also from the JAKIM interview:
                “Pertubuhan bukan kerajaan (NGO) bukan Islam pula jangan ‘mengundang’ kumpulan militan Islam Malaysia bertapak di sini. Sebaiknya bagi kepercayaan kepada kerajaan melaksanakan undang-undang yang sebaiknya demi kepentingan rakyat pelbagai kaum.”

                The sad thing is… this interview was in 2008.

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                • 95. Faizal  |  January 26, 2015 at 9:20 pm

                  Just to clarify.

                  Re: When I wrote “He wants to talk about extremism?”
                  The “he” that I’m referring to is Eric Paulsen, not KP JAKIM.

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                • 96. Helen Ang  |  January 26, 2015 at 9:56 pm

                  re: “So I rate the chances of him modifying or amending his outlook as the same as IS renouncing violence.”

                  You’re very likely correct.

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                  • 97. Helen Ang  |  January 26, 2015 at 10:06 pm

                    Postscript:

                    EP is a Tian Chua in the making :)

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                    • 98. Haji Mohd Zin  |  January 27, 2015 at 12:38 am

                      Reality check:
                      Maybe it is because of concern for SA 1954, adinda Ms Helen
                      but we have still not heard a single non-Muslim friend disclaiming Sdr ECs serious accusation against all of us.

                      Is it lack of Islamic knowledge, or OK you all for or against us?

                      Haji M Zin
                      Alor Gajah DPH

                    • 99. Helen Ang  |  January 27, 2015 at 12:55 am

                      re: “we have still not heard a single non-Muslim friend disclaiming Sdr ECs serious accusation against all of us”

                      Urm, I earlier said “he got the Friday sermon so wrong” @ 2015/01/12 at 1:56 am.

                      Does my comment make the grade in your books?

                    • 100. Helen Ang  |  January 27, 2015 at 12:44 am

                      Eric Paulsen fails to interpret Isma’s views with scrupulous accuracy.

                      According to Paulsen – see his tweet – Isma is representing that “Local election ‘is a crime against race and religion’ [the Liberty Lawyer’s words].”

                      Meanwhile, Isma’s actual words are:

                      “Dalam keadaan barat mengalami kemerosotan ekonomi dan sosial hasil ‘pendemokrasian’, kita pula terpaksa mengambil sistem mereka. Ini satu jenayah kepada bangsa dan agama.”

                      There is a nuanced difference between what Paulsen attributes to Isma (as saying) and what Isma actually said.

                    • 101. The Dictator  |  January 27, 2015 at 10:02 am

                      EP is the typical raja putar alam. It is not that he fails to understand what the ultra Malays and Muslims are saying, he knows what they are saying but he will spin them.

  • 102. Haji Mohd Zin  |  January 27, 2015 at 1:22 am

    Yes my point also that, adinda Ms Helen:
    He got the Friday sermon so wrong.

    .. and more: In their deafening silence did got it so wrong, all the non-Muslims(?) in Malaysia.

    NB. Local councils: My comment on some of the ugliest UMNO council representatives, is on your other thread.

    Haji M Zin
    Alor Gajah DPH

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    • 103. Hussin Rahman  |  January 27, 2015 at 5:49 pm

      I don’t really like or trust lawyers. Many of them are stupid or rather they have IQs lower than those possessed by engineers and scientists)

      Three times I was taken to court (without being represented by lawyers) and three times the hakim sided with me.. I mean I beat those trained lawyers, just by telling the truth and by using logic to rebut their arguments. Haha.

      Reply

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