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Church objected to Islam as religion of the Federation

Malaya Chief Minister Tunku Abdul Rahman was reported on the front page of The Straits Times (24 Sept 1956) as saying that “Umno would never compromise on three points in the Alliance’s memorandum to the Reid Constitutional Commission, i.e. (1) The status of Malay as the national language, (2) The place of Islam as the official religion and (3) The ‘special position’ of the Malays in their homeland”.

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The Tunku was addressing a crowd of 7,000 gathered in a field in Kota Bharu at the end of his three-day visit to Kelantan and Terengganu.

In 1956, Kelantan and Terengganu were the most Melayu pekat states where the Chinese were only a small minority.

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1956: More Chinese than Malays in Penang, Selangor, Perak and Johor

In the west coast of the peninsula, however, the situation was different where the Chinese outnumbered the Malays in four states according to 1956 population figures.

In Penang and Selangor, the Chinese population was double that of the Malay while in Perak, the Chinese significantly outnumbered the Malays. In Johor also there were more Chinese inhabitants than Malay (see table above).

The Chinese presence in Malaya pre-Independence was significant and they were no pushovers when it came to articulating the community’s demands to the Reid Commission, drafters of the Malayan Federal Constitution.

Among the non-Malays who made representations to the commission were MCA, Chinese educationists, rubber traders, Chinese chambers of commerce, Chinese guilds and societies as well as the churches.

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Dato Onn worried about “abuse of religion for political purposes”

Dato’ Onn Jaafar as Parti Negara sec-gen provided his input too on the Constitution draft. In his 26 Apr 1956 article published in the Singapore Standard, he outlined his party’s position on the question of religious freedom.

Dato’ Onn wrote:

“The State shall recognise the special position of Islam as the religion professed by the great majority of the citizens. The State shall also recognise Christianity, Buddhism and Hinduism as some of the religions and beliefs existing in the territory of the Union at the commencement of the Constitution.

“All persons are equally entitled to the freedom of conscience and the right to freely profess and practise religion subject to public order, morality or health and to the other provisions of this part.

“The abuse of religion for political purposes shall be forbidden: and any act which is intended or likely to promote feelings of hatred, enmity or discord between racial or religious communities shall be contrary to the Constitution and may be made punishable by law.”

A few points to note about Dato’ Onn’s recommendations above. He was Home Minister during the early 1950s under the British rule and that’s why he sounds like one (a Home Minister) with his concern about public order and the sowing of hatred, enmity or discord between religious communities.

Dato’ Onn listed Islam, Christianity, Buddhism and Hinduism as the main recognised faiths in the country. He placed Christianity ahead of Buddhism in the order of precedence because the Christians, were just as well organised back in 1956 as they are today.

They complained loudly, endlessly and later made strong representations to the Reid Commission.

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Malayan Christian Council petitioned Reid Commission to make country secular

Declassified documents sourced from the public records office in Kew, London showed that the Malayan Christian Council had sent a memorandum as well as a delegation to meet members of the Reid Commission on 23 Aug 1956.

See HERE for the scans

The Christian delegation comprised Council chairman Rev Dr Ho Seng Ong who was also director of the Methodist Education Board, council assoc. sec-gen Rev J. Sutton, Bishop Emeritus Rev R. L. Archer of the Methodist Church of Malaya, Archdeacon R.W. Woods (acting for Bishop Baines as the head of the Anglican Church of Malaya), acting vicar Rev Roland Koh of St Mary’s Church Kuala Lumpur, and Rev P.C. John, Minister of Mar-Thoma Church north and central Malaya.

Rev Ho on stage
Rev Ho on stage

Demands for “religious freedom” (to proselytize)

According to the minutes of the meeting, Rev Ho Seng Ong wanted Malaya to be a secular state that gives no particular favours or privileges to any one religion as in the case of India which had gained Independence from the British nine years earlier.

Rev Ho complained that the council “considered that the Malays derived unjust advantages” but the drafting of the new constitution provided “a splendid opportunity of improving the situation and ensuring harmony in the future”.

Rev Dr Ho Seng Ong
Rev Dr Ho Seng Ong

He further urged the Reid Commission for a clause to be “written into the new constitution to ensure that there were no limitations regarding religious freedom and to enable the present field of religious freedom to be enlarged”. During that time in the mid-1950s, the churches were not free to preach to Malays, the same situation as pertains currently.

Rev Ho expressed his concern about the continued funding of mission schools post-Independence while Archdeacon Woods told the commissioners that the Anglican Church had experienced difficulty in obtaining land for the purpose of building churches.

Council assoc. sec-gen Rev Sutton wanted “freedom for all people to choose their religion” as a fundamental and important right while Rev Archer of the Methodist Church “emphasised that they considered it would be most undesirable if the new constitution had a clause in it which recognised Islam as the religion of the Federation”.

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There is a SK Ho Seng Ong Methodist located in Taman Canning, Ipoh

Some things (i.e. evangelistas) never change

The Malayan Christian Council is presently called the Council of Churches of Malaysia, undergoing a name change after their separation from Singapore.

Rev Ho – the Council chairman during a period of time when Muslims only comprised 48 percent of the country’s population – had informed the Reid Commission that national harmony in the fledgling nation would be ensured through the granting of more religious freedoms and by making Christianity equal to Islam, which is what secularism implies (no favouritism).

To hear Rev Ho’s 1956 appeal – in our ears across the passage of more than half a century – that he made to the Commonwealth jurists headed by Lord Reid, you begin to realise how the evangelistas actually haven’t changed one bit.

They ventilated the exact same complaints about the “unjust advantages” given the Malays and harboured identical reservations about the privileged position of Islam.

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In fact, Lord Reid had remarked for the record that “as he understood it, what the Council wanted was a written guarantee of religious freedom for all and a declaration that the new Federation was a secular State”.

“The representatives of the Council agreed that this was so”, said the minutes of the meeting tagged confidential document c.c. 2067 of the Reid Commission papers.

And once again history repeats itself with the evangelista spiritual descendents now insisting that Malaysia is and has always been a secular country.

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Updated: 10.56am

See also:

Perjuangan gereja yang belum selesai mahukan Melayu diberi kebebasan beragama

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97 thoughts on “Church objected to Islam as religion of the Federation

  1. The Reid Commission does not owe anything by giving way to the demand of the Malayan Churches Council insisting that Christians at par with Islam compare to YTM Tunku non compromise on the Alliance 3 points memorandum which later as an inducement of one million citizenship to bukan bumiputra ketika itu. Maksud saya tidak mahu meungit jika ini fakta kena terima lah qada dan qadar.

  2. So there’s no change in the government’s position. So all those who hearken back to the good ole Tunku days are apparently living under a delusion! Status Quo.

    Didn’t realize this is a “perjuangan yang belum selesai” by the churches. Great article! We live and learn.

    Wonder what the sainted ones will now argue?

    1. re: “this is a “perjuangan yang belum selesai” by the churches”

      Excellent way of putting it, Irma.

  3. Well, Singapore has been a secular country from the time of it’s independence.

    Have any of the religions been disadvantaged in Singapore?

    Have there been, in Singapore, any conflicts and controversies about proselytizing, apostasy, conflicts between syariah and laws passed by the Singapore Parliament etc?

    If there have been such conflicts etc, these have been well managed by the Singapore government.

    So much so that the former Grand Mufti of Egypt has no qualms about participating in an inter-faith dialogue that was held in Singapore recently.

    Why weren’t his views given publicity in the Malaysian mainstream media?

    Unless they were looking for ways to discredit him or refute his views and failed, dismally?

    1. disadvantages? aside from other religion… for Islam.. yes….yes.. there have been…

      Have you commonly heard any azan in Singapore aside when you are being inside of the mosque itself?

      Apostasy conflict? Why would there be a conflict when there is no law saying anything about it…

      What conflict between syariah and secular law in Singapore? Dont understand this? How can there be?

    2. Elok la gitu you tinggal kat Singapore sja la.. Ni satu makluk yang tak kesudahan poking his nose asyik nak cari gaduh.. Nak beli barang, topup minyak dan makan sampai kembung perut hegeh mai JB.

      Hal Singapore its their business. Nak pi sana cari makanan halal pon punya le payah!

      1. …Nak kunyah chewing gum pun tak berani! Rakyat macam kerbau kena cucuk hidung aje nih!

    3. observing how Islam and muslims are treated in singapore is a prime example why we DON’T want Malaysia to be secular.

      the hijab ban in schools is one example. hijab is an integral part of a muslim women’s faith after having understood Islam. its her right to practice her religion.

      so much for freedom/independence/democracy huh?

    4. Surely Islam and Muslims have been disadvantaged but the issue never made it out of Singapore and so are apostacies, which are rampant among malay/muslims in spore but the news also has been blacked-out. Of course, the muslims are too few and too weak to speak out.

      the former grand mufti of egypt is a much discredited man in the muslim world. he’s lower the lowest creature Allah has ever created. No publicity needed for his attendance at the inter-faith dialogue, which in any event, wherever held, is a stage for the kafirs among the infidels and the kafirs among the muslims, trying to modify the islamic teachings.

  4. Beriya-iya dengan agenda sekular.

    Bila di iktiraf SEKULAR –

    1. Tidak lain samarasa samarata !

    2. Tidak lain merobek Perlembagaan Malaysia yang sudah sempurna demi PERPADUAN dan KEHARMONIAN.

    3. Tidak lain merobek Sejarah Melayu dan Persekutuan Tanah Melayu dan menghapus semua Hak Milik Melayu merujuk rentetan sejarah

    4. Tidak lain merobek Pewarisan dan Kepimpinan Melayu yang sudah berkurun mengiktiraf Raja dan Sultan, kemudian nya dalam demokrasi Berparlimen Berinstitusi Raja dan Kesultanan yang di KETUAI DYMM YANG DIPERTUAN AGONG ( kini di ubahsuai DYM agar tidak mensyirikkan ALLAH – Tuhan Islam Melayu / Muslim) ….

    5. Tidak lain memperkasakan Bukan Melayu menjadi dominan sebagaimana dominan nya dalam ekonomi Malaysia dan taraf tinggi kehidupan dalam budaya dan kehidupan yang teramat berbeza dalam konteks dasar 1Malaysia PM Najib dan semua PM Malaysia sebelum nya….

    ( dan lain-lain perkara berkaitan secara berfakta dan berilmiah yang boleh di jelaskan dengan sejelas-jelas nya oleh mereka yang di iktiraf Pakar)

    Sesungguh nya pihak Kristian dan sekutu nya sudah melampaui batas sebagai rakyat Malaysia yang di terima ! Akhir bulan ini seluruh Umat Islam menyambut Ramadhan Al Mubarak – Bulan Suci Umat Islam. Di waktu itu juga pergerakan Kristian dan sekutu nya di khabarkan akan mengadakan provokasi aman (di tafsir cara tersirat ) di K.Lumpur – jika berlaku juga, Kristian itu juga ekstrim dan ganas, tanpa hormat kepada Islam – sesuatu perlakuan paling menjelikkan yang sepatut nya TIDAK BOLEH DI MAAFKAN !

    Sudah banyak kekecohan. Apa tujuan ?

    1. re: “Di waktu itu juga pergerakan Kristian dan sekutu nya di khabarkan akan mengadakan provokasi aman (di tafsir cara tersirat) di K.Lumpur”

      Maksud kamu si evangelista akan naik turun surau, masuk keluar masjid tatkala bulan puasa? Kalau begitupun mereka bukannya tidak dijemput ahli jawatankuasa masjid. Kunjungan mereka sebenarnya diundang.

  5. We’re a hybrid, that’s all. Not theocratic nor fully secular. With a multi – everything country like ours, this kind of practical arrangement works.

    Why want to belabour the point of secularism? Even the most strident of secular countries like France make some concessions to religion, not very much obviously but still. ..

  6. We constitutionalize the independent judgement of rulers in governing the affairs of society, but fervently hope that they nurture their own chivalry and stand up for the people’s dignity always.

    1. In the West, we have vague notions of chivalry being something to do with the ‘knights of old’: King Arthur or Sir Lancelot. We also have the strange notion that the so called “age of chivalry” occurred sometime around the 13th century when the evil force of “the crusades” swept abroad. While the word itself comes from the French “chevalier”, meaning horseman or knight, the sacred code of conduct of chivalry exists far beyond recent European history.

      Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim

      Chivalry (futtuwa) and propriety (adab) are essential parts of the Sufi path in Islam. Sufism’s inward aspect consists of traversing the Path and passing by its landmarks to attain a consciousness that is suffused with “subsistence-through-God” (baqa). Sufism’s outward aspect consists of the tradition of chivalry which consists of cultivating the attributes of ideal humanity.

      read more at http://steppenreiter.de/royal_chivalry.htm

      Habib Ali Jufri: “The Way of Islamic Chivalry (Futuwwa)” [YouTube]

      1. Good that you’re pointing this out.

        When we use English words, we tend to automatically adopt the Western concepts that are embedded in its meaning, e.g. “secular” when the same word may have no equivalent carrying the kind of Christian emotional baggage when applied in the context of Asian civilizations.

        A great example Christian bias is the “circling the wagons” scene from cowboy film where the “godless” Red Indians are pictured as the bad guys who ambush the white settlers in the wild, wild west.

        But the reality is that it was the white man who was attacking the Native Americans, stealing their land, disrupting their culture and way of life, and committing massacres on the pagan tribes. Yet our Ah Beng watching the movie cheers the cowboys and white pioneers as the good guys.

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        1. ‘But the reality is that it was the white man who was attacking the Native Americans, stealing their land, disrupting their culture and way of life, and committing massacres on the pagan tribes.’

          Same things happen in Australia too. Yet some of our Ah Bengs and some Lopezs are still cheering for the pendatang Whites too!

          [YouTube]

  7. Are we discussing about Malaya in 1957 or Malaysia in 1963?

    Where’s the agreements towards the forming of Malaysia?

    Now show what has been agreed by everyone towards the forming of Malaysia by the Cobbold Commission.

    Tomorrow, if Malaysia combine with Indonesia to form one country MALINDO, we will then have new agreements again between even more tribes and races.

    And if Malaysia combine with Singapore to form One country MALSING, then another new agreements will also come up.

    If talking about the past, why not talk about agreements made with Siam, Portugal, Spain, Great Britain or even further back to the Malacca Sultanate with China and Siam or during the Riau, Sulu, Pattani, Majapahit, Sri Vijaya empire time?

    Trying to be selective in various point of history to justify one’s political stand is not very creative. It looks dumb and stupid.

    1. re: “Are we discussing about Malaya in 1957 or Malaysia in 1963? / And if Malaysia combine with Singapore to form One country MALSING, then another new agreements will also come up.”

      Do you think Agreements and Constitutions simply spring to life at a particular point in time (1957, 1963, your dream of “Malsing”) without any continuity from the past?

      The 1957 Merdeka Constitution was based on the 1948 Perjanjian Persekutuan Tanah Melayu, and the 1963 Constitution was merely amended on some points pertaining to Sabah and Sarawak with the basis of it still being the 1957 Constitution.

      re: “Where’s the agreements towards the forming of Malaysia? Now show what has been agreed by everyone towards the forming of Malaysia by the Cobbold Commission.”

      Why don’t you show?

      re: “Tomorrow, if Malaysia combine with Indonesia to form one country MALINDO, we will then have new agreements again between even more tribes and races.”

      Good. I’d like to see how the Indonesians deal with lansi people like you.

      re: “If talking about the past, why not talk about agreements made with Siam, Portugal, Spain, Great Britain or even further back to the Malacca Sultanate with China and Siam or during the Riau, Sulu, Pattani, Majapahit, Sri Vijaya empire time?”

      Thanks for showing us which orifice you use when you talk.

      re: “Trying to be selective in various point of history to justify one’s political stand is not very creative. It looks dumb and stupid.”

      So speaks the puak lupa daratan dan buta sejarah.

    2. ‘It looks dumb and stupid.’

      Especially when one says ‘This Tudung did not originate from Malaysia. I think it came about by trying to follow the Arabs after the Iranian revolution’!

      I bet, you of all people should know!

  8. Helen…

    terimakasih atas posting yang majoriti rakyat negara ini tidak pernah diberitahu.

    dukacita kerana tidak disiar diarus perdana maka hanya sebilangan rakyat sahaja yang dapat membacanya.

    agenda puak kristian ini sama sahaja walau ke mana negara sekalipun mereka masuk atas misi ‘misionari’.

    misi ‘misionari’ ini tidak akan mempedulikan budaya dan cara hidup masyarakat setempat kerana misi mereka cuma ad satu set aje… penjajahan secara halus melalui 3G…Gospel, Gold, Glory….!

    1. re: “penjajahan secara halus melalui 3G…Gospel, Gold, Glory….!”

      … by the most Greedy of people.

  9. What they are preaching is not Christianity because they do not follow what Jesus the prophet of Christianity preached. With all what they are doing they are just following their nafsu to the full, and do you know who would want you to do that? Lu fikir lah sendiri

    1. re: “they are just following their nafsu to the full, and do you know who would want you to do that?”

      Are you saying the Devil wears Prada?

      1. Re Are you saying the Devil wears Prada?

        Well…..

        at least the Devil is one classy editor of a magazine, quite unlike, oops sorry, she is the polar opposite of the Speaker whose vocabulary consists only of words such as racist, low class, evil etc.

        Learn from Anna Wintour on how to be classy. After all, she is the editor in chief of American Vogue. The Devil is indeed classy, whether in film or real life.

        Can’t say the same about a certain reject in Subang Jaya though.

    2. christians never follow ibni maryam for the latter was a jew. they are the followers of paul, i.e. to rule the earthly kingdom.

  10. Apa bole buat Cik Helen, tanah bertuah ini tak putus berkurun lamanya asyik dok kena jajah oleh macam jenis manusia. Tak henti2 terpaksa menepis apa segala jenis dugaan yg dibawa dari luaq.

    Mujurlah Allah mereka tak boleh angkut bawa lari dan jual. Sama juga Negara ini. Mujuq depa tak boleh korek sampai tengelam ke bawah lautan.

    Wokay la.. Bab kegunaan nama ALLAH Mahkamah dah beri keputusan, siapa tak setuju ikut saja macam British, Portugis, Jepun atau ikut aje la teladan toknek makayah kamu dulu. Beredar dan cari le tempat lain yg kamu bole kelentong.

    60 tahun akan datang akan muncul pula masalah baru. Sekarang ujud lebih drp 2m pendatang asing dari segala ceghoq Dunia. Yang ketegaq taknak balik akan satu hari jadi citizen sini beranak pinak dan multiply jadi 10juta pulak. Hmmmm apa agaknya masalah mereka akan bangkit masa tu?

    ALLAH lindungilah tanah air ku yang bertuah ini….Amin.

    1. Orang Cina 中囯 (China) tidak pernah menjajah semenanjung. Laksamana Zheng He datang ke mari membuat kunjungan persahabatan.

      Yang menjajah ialah orang Kristian Portugis, orang Kristian Belanda, orang Kristian Inggeris.

      Yang buat onar sekarang ialah orang Kristian DAP.

      1. Re Yang buat onar sekarang ialah orang Kristian DAP.

        Yang terdiri daripada orang Cina yang masuk Kristian. Apa yang amat membimbangkan semakin ramai orang muda Cina yang masuk Kristian dan orang tua mereka tak ambil peduli langsung, malah ada antara mereka yang sanggup kata masuk Kristian tu baik.

        Orang Cina kata mereka bimbang budaya Cina akan hilang kalau pendidikan Cina tidak dipertahankan. Mereka silap. Yang akan melenyapkan budaya Cina adalah agama Kristian. Sekarang hampir 10% orang Cina adalah Kristian. Tanyalah sendiri, dengan begitu ramai sekali remaja Cina, orang Cina masuk Kristian, bila agaknya majoriti orang Cina akan menjadi Kristian ?

        1. re: “Sekarang hampir 10% orang Cina adalah Kristian.”

          Saya menjangka angkanya jauh lebih tinggi.

          Kononnya “hanya 9.2 peratus adalah Kristian” (~10%) merujuk kepada nisbah penduduk mengikut pecahan agama di Malaysia.

          Dalam masyarakat Cina sendiri, berapa peratus Kristian, berapa peratus penganut Buddha, berapa peratus pengikut kepercayaan tradisi masih lagi menjadi tanda tanya.

          1. Yang menjadi tanda tanya sekarang ni bila orang Cina masuk Kristian, pada MyKad mereka, mereka ada buat perubahan atau tidak ? Kalau boleh dapat angka sebenar melalui MyKad mungkin kita boleh dapat gambaran yang lebih tepat.

      2. Letih bila baca sejarah Bumiputra di Tanah air ini. Negara lain walaupun bukan penjajah tak putus2 mai jengok jugak sini memeras dan membuli?

        Siam sampai dok kena hantaq Bunga Emas. Indonesia pon Sukarno asyik duk gertak nak kasi flying kick satu ketika.

        Sya tak berapa mendalami mengenai sejarah silam bumi ini. Negari Cina bukankah nak kasi Emperor hapi dan sejuk hati Sultan cepat2 terima Puteri Hang Li Po dan rombongan mereka?

        Lepaih tu komunis bertahun2 dok main aci sembunyi. Senyap kejap dah plak Mei 13.. Aduhai, sekarang ini gedik2 newly converted Christians keturunan pendatang pula kalut buat hal.

        Kalau macam ni sampai bila le kita boleh maju?

          1. islam 1st….TQ, TQ for such a wonderful link.. Thereon on Lembah Bujang… And malu nak habaq sini, my moyang wr all fm these areas, Merbok, Kota Kuala Muda n Jerai. When I was little my granpa loved to take his cucus explore.. remember even to the tapak candi Bk Batu Pahat kalau tak silap.. Tapi kecik tk faham sekadar tengok aje..

            Naik seronok pula, will definitely bawa family balik kpg lepaih raya ni and revisit all these historical places!

            Will WA to my grp, smua ni cetek macam saya, kecik2 smua dah merantau luaq Negeri/Negara rasa gitu ketinggalan sekali!

            Selamat Berpuasa!

            1. Sama2, saya pun adik-beradik merata ada kat Kedah, kat Semeling, Bedong pun ada..saya pun baru tahun lepas pi melawat Lembah Bujang… dah lama dok lalu saja! Memang tenang sangat tempat tu.. taktau pasaipa??

              1. Have not seen the school Sejarah syllabus, hope they hv all these included. Such a rich history.. Time kami dulu sejarah Eropah, China n India klo tak silap.. Too little on Malaysia.

                Kedah memang aman secucuk dgn gelaran Darul Aman. Hope Mukriz will take good care of this State. According to my cousins, penekanaan Mukriz kuat kearah Agama. Plus all the xciting news on the new Developments he is bringginf in, ayuh JOM balik dok KEDAH!

    2. dear Rina, despite all the kelamkabut, kita masih orait jika dibandingkan dgn negara2 lain terutamanya ‘islamic countries?’, kerana hanya ada satu factor saja iaitu Allah masih sayang negara ni, ada siapa atau ada apa i do not know. (cuba cari attributes ni). bila Dia dah meluat, mampueh anak cucu kita.

  11. Walaupun mahkamah dah buat keputusan, mereka tak akan berputus asa untuk capai niat jahat mereka sama ada secara terang atau apa cara sekali pun. Mereka boleh gunakan Comango atau yg terbaru melalui draf RUU Harmoni yg dibuat oleh MPKN yg penuh dgn controversi.

    Sekarang pula orang india telah digunakan untuk membantah perintah mahkamah dengan mahu melakukan himpunan besar besaran di Dataran Merdeka. Kalau di PRK T.Intan dulu gadis melayu dijadikan boneka untuk menentang melayu sendiri.

    Bermacam cara keji sanggup mereka lakukan walaupun melagakan kaum asalkan hajat mereka berhasil.

  12. Oh Yummy Mummy of Diana
    http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/06/24/Dyanas-mum-gets-showcause-letter-from-Umno/

    “Yammy Samat, the mother of Dyana Sofya Mohd Daud, the DAP candidate in the recently held Teluk Intan parliamentary by-election, has received a show cause letter from Umno for allegedly campaigning for the opposition party.

    It is the third time Umno has sent the letter to Yammy after Pos Malaysia returned the previous letters to the party because of an alleged wrong address.”

    “Alleged wrong address” – don’t tell me this woman and her daughter are nomads. Yammy just join DAP-lah, perhaps you could be the head of Wanita DAP.

    1. re: “the third time Umno has sent the letter to Yammy”

      Something wrong with Yammy or something wrong with Umno? Sending the letter for the THIRD (?!!) time …

  13. ayoyo helen, u really made me embarrassed la helen with your facts. i never bothered about such historical facts apart from my spm sejarah books. i will make it a point now to dig facts n figures.

    now i know that the christian churches ve advanced and evolved into dap evangelistas…. plus uncle dinosaur lim kit siang. i bet uncle lim will still be the dap head tokong when msia angkat sumpah its eighth prime minister…(sigh)

  14. Another disgusting story from China. Chinese eat dogs

    Disgusting dog seller.
    BREAKING NEWS – YULIN 6/20/2014
    DOG MEAT TRADERS HUMILIATING ANIMAL RIGHTS ACTIVISTS AND FORCING THEM TO PURCHASE DOGS BY TORTURING DOGS IN FRONT OF THEM

    No wonder the Chinese die of animal related diseases every year. It is God’s will when Chinese die of SARS, Bird Flu etc.

    1. The animal abuser looks like a Bajungu.

      You’re the one living in Penang, Mulan. Must be a psychic torture.

      1. “Tomorrow (6/21 Saturday) is the official Yulin dog meat festival. The locals, however, has already started celebrating the event. ”

        No wonder the Scriptures and the Al Quran marks what is “clean” (halal) or not. Disgusting pagan customs of the Chinese.

        One disgusting habit Penang Chinese (and Selangor) is adopt an animal becuase it is cute or it because it is the year of the (whatever) and then abandon them. There are many animals like that in the shelters.

        And Chinese eats and kill anything that moves. Like sharks fins, rhino horns etc. Chinese are so advanced and yet so cavemen. Anything can harden their libido. Anything extinct can excite them sexually.

        1. I had another look at your photo link. The people in the crowd watching the dog abuse look like Bajungu too.

          1. Yup. I hope they die from SARS and bird flu. I hope the dog abuser will receive his first Cheng Beng next year. Lots of people will visit his funeral and show their backside as respect. His wife and kids will save money as next year no need Chinese New Year.

            That is why I embraced an Abrahamic Religion.

          2. The DAPster psychology is essentially atheistic – a consummate Maoist materialist at its core, and cruel therefore. Remember! they still idolize Chin Peng the terrorist chief – what atrocities those idiots dare not do in the name of “cultural revolution”! – absolutely anti-Chinese: anti-Confucius, anti-Buddha, anti-Lao Tze!

            Lim Guan Eng and his old block are not kidding everyone …. they do not represent the refinement of Chinese civilization like the trumpets they love to blow. For them it’s that facile egoism of craving after worldly things:

            “no money no talk”; “big fish sure eat small fish”; “you don’t take advantage over others they will get you first”; “rich people can afford to send more wealth to their dead ones”

            Not every Chinese believes that “a dog is a man’s best friend” but every Chinese would be afraid of a mad dog; sometimes that mentality is housed in human garb.

            Chinese people should forsake the superstitious mercantile practices of folk Taoism which have no authentic scriptural basis, and return to the teachings of Lao Tze in the Tao Te Ching

            Taoist Master, Yun Xiang Tseng, a child prodigy from the ancient Wudang Mountains, speaks of the principles of Taoism and the mystical Tao:

            [YouTube]

            1. “Not every Chinese believes that “a dog is a man’s best friend” but every Chinese would be afraid of a mad dog; sometimes that mentality is housed in human garb”

              The DAPsters behave like mad dogs. I too am afraid.

  15. After seeing that disgusting news from China, I have to share this article on Islam and animals from Wikipedia.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_animals

    “It is forbidden to beat animals unnecessarily, to brand them on the face, or to allow them to fight each other for human entertainment.[citation needed] “They must not be mutilated while they are alive.”[13]

    Muhammad is also reported (by Ibn Omar and Abdallah bin Al-As) to have said: “There is no man who kills [even] a sparrow or anything smaller, without its deserving it, but God will question him about it [on the judgment day]” and “Whoever is kind to the creatures of God is kind to himself.”[2][7]”

    ” in “two separate narrations by Abu Hurayrah, the Prophet told his companions of the virtue of saving the life of a dog by giving it water and quenching its thirst. One story referred to a man who was blessed by Allah for giving water to a thirsty dog, the other was a prostitute who filled her shoe with water and gave it to a dog, who had its tongue lolling out from thirst. For this deed she was granted the ultimate reward, the eternal Paradise under which rivers flow, to live therein forever.”[24]”

    1. Talk about dogs, my jiran namakan anjing jantan dia Toto, betina Money and their puppy…………Happy

      Itu saja dlm kepala otak mereka, sampai nama anjing pun in line with their thoughts.

  16. Reading from the following verses in the Bible, it is clear that Jesus by his own admission did not have mandate to spread his teachings to others, except “… the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

    I doubt the Chinese Christians in Malaysia can be counted as “… the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

    My dear evangelistas better check your gospels and see whether all your ‘hard work’ will be in vain.

    Matthew 15:22-24 (KJV)

    22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.

    23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.

    24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

    1. re: “Chinese Christians in Malaysia can be counted as “… the lost sheep of the house of Israel”

      Some Chinese – the Kaifeng Jews – are the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

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      1. hmm, any one of the DAP evangelistas kaifeng jews?
        Besides, the jews does not believe in Jesus since they
        believe their Messiah is yet to come..

  17. Dear Aunty Helen,

    Thank you for the information. Now they have lots of friends to support and work for them like Khalid Samad and Mujahid Yusuf Rawa who are trying to force the Malays to give in to what ever the Churches wanted.

    In today’s TMI article, “Study unity bills before dismissing them, NUCC tells critics”, Mujahid calls himself an Islamic scholar to prove that what he is doing is Islamic and Muslims against him are not. I learn about NUCC’s unity bill from my father’s lawyer friend, Uncle Azril who study the bill and saw what they are trying to do.

    In 1987 Almarhum Haji Yusof Rawa said that more than 66,000 people left Islam.

    And Khalid Samad said, “ … seluruh Malaysia akan dikristiankan selewat-lewatnya pada tahun 2000 …”

    Vancouver has turned to “Hongcouver”, I do not Malaysia to turn into something like that.

  18. I got this posting from a friend.
    I do not think Khairy’s jokes are funny at all. Does Regina Lee find it amusing?

  19. Kampong Led ikuti surah Al I’mran ayat 100
    Wahai orang-orang beriman Jika kamu taat sesuatu puak dari orang (Yahudi dan Nasarani) yang di berikan kitab itu, nescaya mereka akan mengambalikan kamu menjadi orang-orang kafir sesudah kamu beriman i.e ayat ini merupakan amaran bukan celaan

  20. Why does UMNO politicians and pro BN bloggers always like to quote history after Parameswara only.

    Before that, is it too embarrassing to acknowledge how their nenek moyang lives?

    Is it because to continue upholding the Ketuanan concept of race and religion?

    Just hope it does not end up like Hitler who even try to prove the superiority of the Aryan race by even getting historians and archaeologists to find something to reinvent their history.

    Even Adam and Hawa are politicised nowadays. I wonder what race they belong to? Arabs, Jews, Aficans, Chinese, Melayu, India?

    Regarding animals, evidently those dog eaters or whatever animals they eat like lembu, monyet, Babi, ular, sang kancil, kerbau etc are definitely not Buddhists. They believe all human beings are reincarnated back as human for those who are kind or suffer repentance to be born as animals. Can you imagine eating your own forefathers or someone else forefathers? Worse if you are eating animals which are deemed as Gods by some believers. So, go vegetarian to avoid conflicts in this world.

    It would also be interesting if our current and former PMs can draw up for Malaysians to see their geneanology. Most world leaders do that to show where they start their historical leadership. Maybe, Malaysians are too embarrassed to accept their nenek Tok moyang were once slaves or concubines or pirates or a nightmare If descended from other races or religion.

    Some Malaysians just don’t want to accept their historical ancestors. Guess why?

    1. aiya…dandy punya nenek moyang terlepas naik tongkang balik tongsan…

      how do we know dandy is “pendatang”?

      we don’t call kancil as ‘sang kancil’, not while in story telling, we just say..kancil or pelanduk..

      1. I agree. And like a typical beanie, he pretended to a Sabah/Sarawak native some more.

  21. Talking about eating dogs, our local chinaman some of them are cultured to this. 20 years ago Bt12 Puchong famous for this.

  22. Since you brought up the Red Indians, I must ask, what about the Orang Asli who have been suppressed for years? Been to any of the villages Helen Ang and had a meal with them and heard THEIR stories? Have you ever been to the area where land the size of Singapore was cleared to make way for the Bakun Dam? Not one tree standing there. The dam was supposed to supply electricity to both Peninsula Malaysia and Sabah and Sarawak, but the villages left behind and relocated in the aftermath of the dam have to live on generators! And you fellas, with all your biasiswa this and biasiswa that and special priviledges are moaning and winging about a non existent threat that has been manufactured to scare you into thinking you are losing your rights, so that UMNO politicians can continue lining their pockets. Wake up. How you have been brainwashed! Helen Ang is probably being paid by them to write what she does… for no one can have a day time job and still have the luxury to do the kind of research she does and have such very important documents just lying around, ready for her to upload.

    1. re: Orang Asli

      Pls do tell us what the Pakatan gomen has done for them. You are aware that their communities live in Selangor (state controlled by the evangelista dakwah gang) and in Perak (half the DUN controlled by Pakatan).

      re: “And you fellas, with all your biasiswa this and biasiswa that and special priviledes are moaning and whinging about a non existent threat that has been manufactured to scare you into thinking you are losing your rights, so that UMNO politicians can continue lining their pockets.”

      Hahaha. Look who’s moaning. Lemme ask you: The Dapsters exaggerate by saying that JAIS will go to the extent of raiding and even kicking down the door of private Christian homes to confiscate ‘Allah’ bibles. Is this a realistic scenario?

      And secondly, for all the “corruption” that you people scream at Umno, why don’t you just prove it? You control Penang and Selangor, two developed states where there would have been a lot of contracts dished out by the previous BN governments.

      And you have been in charge of these two states for 6 years already, with access to the paperwork and documentation for all state business deals prior to 2008. With all such materials at your disposal, why not call a press conference and show how the Pg and S’gor BN governments were engaged in corrupt dealings?

      Begitu banyak menuduh tapi pernah buktikan? Like the 40,000 phantom Bangla voters?

      re: “Wake up. How you have been brainwashed!”

      I really don’t have to respond to this. I just have to get up from the floor where I’ve been rolling laughing.

      re: “Helen Ang is probably being paid by them to write what she does… for no one can have a day time job and still have the luxury to do the kind of research she does”

      Claps, claps, claps … how very Dapsterish of you to simply fling accusations. Can I also similarly allege that you’re probably being paid by ‘them’ to write your resentful comments and sow the seeds of doubt here?

      Look at the times that I uploaded my stories wrt to the latest dozen or so postings – ‘Church objected to Islam’ (2:15 am), ‘Half a dozen by-elections since GE13’ (5:18 am), ‘Orang S’gor baik sediakan balang’ (4:36 am), ‘The sedition charge against the Isma chief’ (1:27 am).

      If you’re willing to forgo your sleep and put in the kind of effort matching mine, then maybe you can get the better of my credentials?

      And why don’t you make an honest job of it in the marketplace of ideas rather than attempt to sully my credibility? Have you written anything in your comment above that enhances the readers’ factual knowledge or are you a drive-by shooter?

      If you’re so concerned about the state of the nation, why don’t you challenge the facts I presented instead of hurling accusations you’re unable to substantiate.

      re: “and have such very important documents just lying around, ready for her to upload”

      Oh, so now I’m being perception penalized for doing a thorough research. Like I said, why don’t you try and beat me at data and stats instead of resorting to cheap personal attacks? And some people wonder why I prefer the BN to Pakatan.

  23. Just because I don’t agree with you does not make me a Pakatan supporter or a DAPster. Who is making assumptions without facts now? All you do is spew ugliness and incite hate between the people of Malaysia. That is a fact. That is totally unnecessary. And, that is so wrong.

    As I prefer to sleep after midnight, and have my hands full during the day, let me now answer the first of your bash-bash full questions. I shall get back to you with the rest later as I feel it is important to add to your readers’ factual/ general knowledge (for which it is clear they are quite lacking).

    1) Orang Asli
    When the Pakatan gov first took over Perak, I read that they immediately went to work to stop logging companies from taking their land away from some communities. Then when the BN wrestled Perak back from Pakatan, they immediately went to work to stop that process. You can read more about this here http://www.magickriver.org/2009/02/bn-rule-in-perak-bad-news-for-orang.html AND in The Nut Graph.

    That the OA communities are suppressed and oppressed IS a fact Helen. You can read of countless instances here… https://www.facebook.com/pages/Center-for-Orang-Asli-Concerns-COAC/144623915576639

    Why don’t you put your writing skills to better use and go visit these communities and tell their stories?

    Why don’t you stop destroying, and start building something good?

    1. re: “Just because I don’t agree with you does not make me a Pakatan supporter or a DAPster.”

      And just because you don’t agree with me, does it make me an Umno paid hack like you earlier accused?

      re: “Who is making assumptions without facts now?”

      Are you talking about yourself and the comment you made @ 2014/06/25 at 2:40 pm?

      re: “All you do is spew ugliness and incite hate between the people of Malaysia. That is a fact.”

      Can I buy you a mirror?

      re: “That is totally unnecessary. And, that is so wrong.”

      Why don’t you say that is so totally “wicked”, “evil” and “low class”?

      re: “As I prefer to sleep after midnight, and have my hands full during the day”

      Just because you like to sleep a lot and are too stupid to do research, why cast aspersions on people willing to sacrifice sleep who able to read and do research?

      re: “I feel it is important to add to your readers’ factual/ general knowledge (for which it is clear they are quite lacking).”

      Okay, noted. You think it is clear that my readers are quite lacking in factual and general knowledge. I hope that those of my readers who are clearly lacking in factual and general knowledge will improve themselves so that they can impress you.

      re: “Orang Asli / When the Pakatan gov first took over Perak, I read that they immediately went to work to stop logging companies from taking their land away from some communities.”

      Does this include the 4,259-ha land in Gua Musang, Kelantan that the PAS state government transacted with the DAP Perak warlords Ngeh Koo Ham and Nga Kor Ming? http://www.fz.com/content/mca-tells-ngeh-come-clean-land-deal

      re: “You can read more about this … in The Nut Graph.”

      Aaah, your a TNG reader. It figures.

      re: “That the OA communities are suppressed and oppressed IS a fact Helen.”

      Can you show me where I’ve ever denied this fact?

      Can I also inform you that the folks at the Large Hadron Collider have now confirmed that the newly discovered particle is definitely the Higgs boson as predicted by the Standard Model of particle physics, and that IS a fact, Allyanna. Call it is brief exercise in mutual education.

      re: “You can read of countless instances here… https://www.facebook.com/pages/Center-for-Orang-Asli-Concerns-COAC/144623915576639

      You can read more about the Higgs boson here … http://news.discovery.com/space/cosmology/the-higgs-boson-should-have-crushed-the-universe-140624.htm

      re: “Why don’t you put your writing skills to better use and go visit these communities and tell their stories?”

      Why don’t you put your whinging skills to better use and go visit these communities and tell their stories in a dedicated Facebook page?

      re: “Why don’t you stop destroying, and start building something good?”

      Why don’t you grow up?

  24. 2) Lemme ask you: The Dapsters exaggerate by saying that JAIS will go to the extent of raiding and even kicking down the door of private Christian homes to confiscate ‘Allah’ bibles. Is this a realistic scenario?

    Answer: The Nazi’s did something similar. The communists raid homes to root out bibles and other reading materials or “Western propaganda”. Hmmm… So yes, I believe it is a realistic scenario.
    20 years ago would you have imagined the kind of hatred being spewed on the streets and in here today? I certainly would not.
    If there’s one thing I’ve realised is that hate and evil can lead people just about anywhere and to do just about anything.

    1. Thank you for sharing your views.

      So to summarize:

      You believe that JAIS officials are akin to Nazis. You also believe that JAIS supporters are spewing hatred on the streets.

      And you’ve realised that “hate and EVIL can lead people … to do just about anything”.

      I hope both sides of the political divide are clear on this.

      1. ohh another thing… for you to believe that JAIS s akin to NAZI is just pure BS.. don’t you think? Nazi is and was globally known to kill hundreds of thousands of jews during the WW2.. have JAIS killed or murdered any christian souls while raiding and confiscating the bibles??

        I think you know the answer so for you comparing them with NAZI means you are full of shit.. moron to be exact…

    2. Allyana..one question.. are u a muslim or not? My guess is you are not muslim… because most of us muslims do approve or condone whatever JAIS do to protect this nation from the greedy evangalists who goes around proselytizing any muslim from their faith..

      come on lahh… don’t say la you don’t know the evangalists here are trying to make this nation a christian country… sorry ya.. we are not that gullible..

  25. 3) And secondly, for all the “corruption” that you people scream at Umno, why don’t you just prove it?

    Response: Why Helen, aren’t the rubies and diamonds worn by the female members of the ex chief Minister of Sarawak big enough for you? Do they have to be as big as onions before you will see the light?
    By the way, did you read what the Petronas boss just recently said about not being able to do an honest day’s job because of all the interference by bureaucrats and of being pressured into who he gives out contracts to? It’s right here… http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=295600&Itemid=79

    What kind of blind allegiance is this that you have? Anyone who is honest and has a right frame of mind KNOWS how corrupt BN leaders are.

    As for the NFC scandal… no, that didn’t really happen. Of course it didn’t.

    And the countless personal accounts from friends and relatives who have witnessed this corruption? It’s just hearsay… they are probably lying and making those things up aren’t they? Aren’t they just?

    Oh I’m just a nobody, of course I can’t access all the kinds of “proof” and documents you are being fed with.

    1. re: “Response: Why Helen, aren’t the rubies and diamonds worn by the female members of the ex chief Minister of Sarawak big enough for you? Do they have to be as big as onions before you will see the light?”

      Quote “before you will see the light” Unquote. This phrase sounds very evangelical Christian.

      First you say that I appear to be spending too much of my time doing [serious] research. Next you expect me to be looking at photographs of “the female members of the ex chief Minister of Sarawak” to be aware that they’re flashing onion-sized diamonds.

      And where, pray tell, am I supposed to access society photos of Taib Mahmud’s family? Unlike you who appear to have seen such photos – or the grand personages in real life – regular readers will be aware that my blog has been consistently featuring the problems of marginalized Indians and additionally that I do not write about Sarawak, whether good or bad.

      And I furthermore do not carry a Prada (my fellow sopo bloggers like Annie can testify to this). I carry a canvass rucksack. Now do you think that a blogger who carries a canvass rucksack and writes about the plight of the Indian poor takes a deep interest in the cocktail parties of the S’wak elite? And you think I’m going to fork out my money to buy the Malaysian Tattler to look at pictures of VVIPS bedecked in diamonds and rubies?

      re: “By the way, did you read what the Petronas boss just recently said”

      Since you give yourself an Indian-sounding name, can I expect you to have read this article in Tamil Malar https://scontent-b-kul.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t1.0-9/10500257_582378038549530_5425444918775877659_n.jpg since you obviously expect me to have read a certain particular article that you dictate for me to read in The Edge?

      re: “What kind of blind allegiance is this that you have?”

      Can’t match the allegiance of those folks willing to drink air lombong for the sake of installing Pakatan in Putrajaya.

      re: “Anyone who is honest and has a right frame of mind KNOWS how corrupt BN leaders are.”

      Okay, okay, we hear you. You’re saying anyone who prefers BN to Pakatan is dishonest and not in the right frame of mind.

      re: “As for the NFC scandal… no, that didn’t really happen. Of course it didn’t.”

      If you will do a little bit of homework and Google “Shahrizat” in my blog, you will come across the NFC write-ups. It is only the DAP fanboy bloggers who bury stories — a recent example, Dyana’s links to Perkasa.

      re: “And the countless personal accounts from friends and relatives who have witnessed this corruption? It’s just hearsay… they are probably lying and making those things up aren’t they? Aren’t they just?”

      Your rant is showing.

      re: “Oh I’m just a nobody, of course I can’t access all the kinds of “proof” and documents you are being fed with.”

      Quote “documents you are being fed with” Unquote. As someone who takes great pride in the research I’ve managed to present in my blog, here’s what I think of you: Obviously you’re a Yahoo who doesn’t know the value of research and wouldn’t know how to begin to do one properly.

      And secondly, if you don’t realise how insulting you are. Not that I’m at all surprised b’cos you’re one of a piece with your ilk. And a lot of Malays are very adamant that your ilk are biadab tahap dot-dot-dot (I refrain from spelling it out).

      1. Latest gossip from my DAPster Apek, TDM’s son (Mukhriz) got a chunk of land in Selangor hehehehe trying to fool me, real sour grapes la these fellas.

        They just don’t know how to compete with facts and figures.

        Allyana.. Kalau otak you gitu geliga, jawab ini;

        “Kenapa pemberi rasuah if they feel they are innocent, fon’t come forward and only love tto bitch among themselves?”

        “Kenapa agaknya Apek jiran saya tiba2 terkeluar out of 30m citizens in Malaysia, nama anak TDM?”.

        Cerdik sampai ketahap mana you owh?

  26. Who hurt you helen ang? Is your name even Helen Ang? Are you even Chinese? Are you even a woman?

    In the last few days, I have heard the words “pancung” and “cincang” used by Muslims. It remains to be seen isn’t it, what they will be capable of. Hate is a great motivator. Look at Kigali as an example. We shall see.

    1. re: “Is your name even Helen Ang? Are you even Chinese? Are you even a woman?”

      That you say this really shows your level.

  27. Rina… my father’s name is Sambhy. Sambhy is Punjabi.
    Bit of education for you.

    1. One of our secretary was a Punjabi girl. Father left for India (2yrs) and here d eldest son threw off his turban, chopped off his little siblings jambuls.

      The girl went for swimming lessons, first time in her bikini and started coming to office in mini skirts, lepas gian katanya.

      A year later big bro left for Australia, 8mths thereon she followed him. All so scared of their father’s roar when he return to Malaysia, said she quickly must cabut.

      2yrs later I got a call fm Australia “hai, Barbara here” (with an Australian brawl, well she n big bro married a white Australian and her name fm Barbir pun tukar).

      She used to grumble to me how stressed and oppressed being born a Bai.. custom manyak leceh wan. It is a small community, I am sure you people must know this family?

      Kena rajin bercampur ya Allyanna so people tak segan and very open with you to cerita masaalah dalaman dan practices yg pelik2 dlm komuniti mereka.

  28. Oh for pete’s sake Helen… I was just pulling your leg.

    I know who you are:

    ex- Malaysiakini journalist

    ex researcher with Centre for Policy Initiatives

    Wrote wonderful articles about how minority rights were being infringed upon.

    Author of this article “Enforcing NEP on Minority Religions?”

    I believe that was the article that got you into trouble with the police and PERKASA?

    Apparently you’ve never been the same since.

    Incidentally, I did not mean to insult you. I’m sorry if it came across that way. I’m just trying to figure out why you are so bitter, and why someone who used to do such good work as you have, did an about turn and is now scraping at the bottom of the barrel of bad taste.

    1. I was never a Malaysiakini journalist. I was a columnist. Like Azmi Sharom is a columnist with The Star. He’s not a journo.

      As for getting into trouble with the police, that’s par for the course. Tian Chua has made the police station practically his second home. So what? And by mentioning, the police if you’re trying to imply that the police intimidated me, no they did not.

      Police are nowhere near political opponents in terms of nastiness. ‘They’ distributed flyers in the Malay Kajang areas to spread the fitnah that MCA’s Chew Mei Fun abused her [non-existent] Indonesian maid. I can’t think of greater viciousness than what ‘they’ did to the BN Kajang candidate.

      As for Perkasa, they shoot their mouth off. Loudly. But again, they’re nowhere near the calculated insults like the Yeo Bee Yin letter on The Herald appeal which does not contain a single threat nor profanity but you can ask Muslims if her tone and veiled insults had cut them to their quick.

      As for bring up the NEP article, yawn, yours must be the 100th time that that’s been dredged up here in my blog by detractors. You people got no creativity.

      re: “Oh for pete’s sake Helen… I was just pulling your leg. / I’m sorry if it came across that way.”

      No, you weren’t. If I mirrored your methods, I could say something xyz@$!%, spit in your face and then declare, “Awww Allyanna, I was just kidding ya. Solly ya!”

      You navel-gazers have absolutely no idea how others perceive your behaviour, do you?

    1. Hishhh anak Pak Bai ni, tu le masalah kalau dari benua India.. Ada itu “class”, “level” and “casting” pulak dah.. Macam nak jadi filem star Bollywood owh?

      Kalo nak bercampoq dgn orang you must know how to adjust la.. Masuk istana cara lain, eh senang cikit cerita, kalo masuk kandang kambing mengembek, kandang lembu goes mooooooo. Muahahaha. Tarak perlu pakai itu sijil la..

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