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“There are no Christian chauvinists and extremists in Malaysia”

A couple of days ago (June 26), Zulkifli Noordin gave his views on the reaction of the Dapster-evangelistas to the Federal Court decision on the Herald‘s appeal on the ‘Allah’ judgment.

Zul said, “kalau melihat komen-komen yang dimuat-turun di laman-laman web mereka, terbukti tanpa sebarang keraguan bahawa memang mereka ini kaum yang cukup biaDap, kurang ajar dan sudah menurun perangai dan kelakuan mereka ke tahap kehaiwanan” (example below).

Zul Noordin
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/266980

Not surprisingly, he reminded the “kaum cauvinis dan pelampau agama” to not test the Muslims’ patience. Actually the Dapster-evangelistas have been cautioned 1,001 times already “jangan kamu nak uji kesabaran umat Islam” but the warning is like water off a duck’s back.

The futility of it all aside, Zul nevertheless goes one step further to spell out what lies in store for them, i.e. if the Dapster-evangelistas don’t stop their continuous provocation and incitement, then they are asking for a repeat of May 13 as, quite frankly, their behaviour today is exactly like the behaviour seen in 1969 … “

Zul Noordin Given Hell
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/266980

He stressed that the Dapster-evangelistas will be taught a suitable lesson — “Islam mengajar kami adalah diperbolehkan untuk menentang kafir harbi dan kaum munafik ini dengan apa sahaja cara yang bersesuaian dan dibenarkan Islam dan undang-undang negara ini!”

The next bit in Zul’s lecture is the most interesting because he touches on the Christian LOVE thingy.

Zul said, “Kamu mendakwa Jesus mengajar kamu agama Kristian berteraskan kasih-sayang. Tetapi cara kamu bertindak bukan sahaja tidak mengikuti ajaran agama kamu itu, malahan membuktikan kamu langsung tidak bertamadun”.

Nonetheless, just like Hannah Yeoh swears that there are “no Malays, no Indians too and zero Chinese, only Malaysians” in the country, the oppo supporters similarly declare that “there are no Christian chauvinists and extremists in Malaysia but there are many Islamic chauvinists and extremists”.
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ZULKIFLI BIN NOORDIN- 13-MEI 2.0
http://zul4kulim.blogspot.com/2014/06/13-mei-20.html

Peace-loving religion, really?

The symbol of Christianity is the cross which signifies the crucifixion of Jesus, as you can see in the illustration on Zul’s blog page (screenshot above).

Below are some passages excerpted from the Catholic Education Resource Center material by Robert Gidley on how a typical crucifixion is carried out.

  • “The Romans perfected crucifixion as a punishment designed to maximize pain and suffering.”
  • “Flogging, or scourging, was done before every crucifixion. / The whip had iron balls tied a few inches from the end of each leather thong on the whip. Sometimes, sharp sheep bones would be tied near the ends. The iron balls would cause deep bruising, while the leather thongs would cut into the skin. The sheep bones would hasten the process of cutting into the skin.” EXTREME PAIN!
  • This flogging causes massive blood loss. EXTREME PAIN!
  • “After the flogging, the victim would carry his own cross bar [weighing 75 to 125 lbs] from the flogging area inside the city to the crucifixion area outside of the city walls.” EXTREME PAIN!

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  • “The victim would then be nailed to the cross bar. The nails would be driven through the wrists [and likely to pierce the main nerve running through the arm. The victim’s body weight is now suspended by his arms. EXTREME PAIN!]
  • “The crucifixion position would dislocate the shoulder or elbow.” EXTREME PAIN!
  • “The cross bar would be raised and placed on the upright post, where the victim’s heels would be nailed to the post. / The nails through the feet would be likely to hit two major nerves running through the area.” EXTREME PAIN!

Needless to say, a crucifixion was extreme and very brutal. The last thing that the act evokes is PEACE. Instead it evokes tremendous violence. Yet the Christians, whose faith is symbolized by the crucifix, are always telling you that they’re peace lovers.

SpartacusCrucifixion

In the case of the crucifixion of Jesus, a few Bible verses reveal more details:

The men who were guarding Jesus began mocking and beating him. – Luke 22:63

Then they spit in his face and struck him with their fists. Others slapped him – Matt 26:67

one of the soldiers pierced Jesus’ side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water. – John 19:33-34

The Christians are always telling you that they are such a Meek and Mild people, well, because they are God’s lamb. But yet they glorify the violent crucifixion where their Lord is mocked, beaten, struck by fists, slapped and spat in his face before dying a most bloody, gruesome death suspended on an elevated cross.

Nothing meek and mild or peaceful about the events just described, is there?

It is no wonder that the evangelista flock is such a bundle of contradictions, especially when they swear that they LOVE their neighbours and their enemies.

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Responses to Zul Nordin

Below are a collection of responses to Zul Noordin’s warning to the Christian extremists. Malaysiakini readers see him as belonging to a Taliban quartet together with Ibrahim Ali, Ridhuan Tee and Isma president Abdullah Zaik Abdul Rahman.

All the comments reproduced below as well as the ones above on this page are taken from subscriber feedback to yesterday’s Malaysiakini article ‘Don’t invite another May 13, warns Zul‘.

  • “It is a bogeyman that Umno and its satellite organisations make you believe.”
  • “Umno created this issue to control the rural Malay vote bank.”
  • “Zul Nordin is too stupid to know when a bluff has lost its effectiveness.”
  • “This stupid imbecile who calls himself a loyar. From UiTM kah, brother?”

Malaysiakini Proarte Zul Noordin1

  • Proarte: “… the likes of Zulkifli. They are hired prostitutes who dance to the tune of their masters. Umno has a huge selection of prostitutes in their ‘bordello’, each catering for Umno’s specific unholy political agenda.” (screenshot above)
  • “A boot-licker trying to appease his master for more bones.We are tired of this threat after threat after threat.”
  • “When Pakatan form[s] the next Government you would be jailed and gantung sampai mati.”
  • “Christians under attack by this moron for no reason.”
Zul Noordin Amok
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/266980
  • “You represent yourself dan segelinter (sic) orang Melayu-Islam yang penuh dengan benci dan dengki yang kebanyakannya berkait dengan Umno. So please keep running amok with your pack of hyenas.” (screenshot above)
  • “There will never be another May 13, no matter how hard and vicious a certain minority brand of fascist, racist and apartheid flavored group masquerading as ‘NGOs’ wish.”
  • “Chinese will not start it. Only Umno will start it. But now Umno will also not start it because the Umno donkeys are all well fed cronies. They don’t want to lose their gravy train. Absolutely no way another May 13 can occur.”

Malaysiakini Proarte Zul Noordin

  • Proarte: “With money, a private army consisting of well armed Malays can be hired to kill insurgents and other Boko Haram wannabes like Zulkifli. A Malay on Malay fight will definitely ensue.” (screenshot above)
  • “[If] there is a second May 13, it will not be Malays against the non Malays but the rakyat against Umno baru.”
  • “People who started the violence and killings will themselves face swords and guns.”
  • “Najib has much to answer should Malaysia burn.”
  • “[Don’t] think China will just keep quiet.”

Malaysiakini Proarte Zul Noordin2

Proarte: “such outrageous criminal behaviour which make Malays and Islam look so crude, imbecilic and hopelessly incompetent, a people and religion unfit for the civilised word”. (screenshot above)

The comments are so revealing of the Dapsters, aren’t they?

You’re left scratching your head why Zul Noordin issued his dire threats to such a meek and mild and peace-loving bunch of people who have nothing but love for their fellow Malaysian brothers and sisters.

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74 thoughts on ““There are no Christian chauvinists and extremists in Malaysia”

  1. Well, Helen – are there, or have there been, Christians in Malaysia who have or who are willing to take up terrorism and violence to further their cause?

    Yes, terrorism and violence.

    Malaysia exports “jihadists” who go off to fight in “holy wars” in the Middle East. That’s a documented fact, supported by evidence from the Special Branch. Even Tun Dr Mahathir has condemned this.

    So, from the actions of these Malaysian jihadists, can we conclude that Islam is a religion that glorifies violence?

    Where are the Christian equivalents of the “jihadists” in Malaysia – people who are willing to take up arms, build and explode bombs and resort to terror to further their cause and their religion?

    Are you equating Christian “evangelistas” to Muslim “jihadi” terrorists?

    If you are, what is your basis and rationale for doing so?

    Has any Christian organisation in Malaysia ever been accused of fomenting domestic or international terrorism or of recruiting people to fight “holy wars” in Malaysia or other countries?

    Yet you purport to pass yourself off as a scholar who quotes selectively from the Bible to say that Christianity is not a religion that espouses peace and love.

    I don’t suppose that you will also claim to a specialist in Roman history now, would you?

    1. re: “Yet you purport to pass yourself off as a scholar who quotes selectively from the Bible to say that Christianity is not a religion that espouses peace and love.”

      It is the Christians who claim ad nauseum that their religion espouses peace and love.

      When did I ever pass myself off as a religious scholar? And nope, I did not quote selectively from the Bible here on the topics of Peace and Love. The 3 quotes from the Gospels (Luke, Matthew and John) describe the treatment meted out to Jesus during his crucifixion, and they came from the same Catholic Education Resource Center article on the facts of crucifixion.

      re: “I don’t suppose that you will also claim to a specialist in Roman history now, would you?”

      That’s a straw man argument. I can similarly ask if you’re trying to pass yourself off as a trained expert in terrorism detection specialising in the Middle East.

      re: “Where are the Christian equivalents of the “jihadists” … willing to take up arms, build and explode bombs and resort to terror to further their cause and their religion?”

      Short of causing physical injury, I would say that the behaviour of the Evangelista Bintang Tiga has been terroristic, and that they are a ticking time-bomb ready to ignite religious conflict in Malaysia.

      And their language is extremely violent. If not, why do you think the Muslims are reacting in the likes of Zul, Abdullah Zaik and the Malays who believe that the course taken by the Muslim NGOs is correct?

      1. Modern day Christians have forgotten that the followers of the Pauline Church who participated in The Crusades were the first Christian jihadists.

        The modern day Christian jihadists? Just look at America. The people who bomb abortion clinics. Those who deny women the right to contraception just to name a few. Yet they talk about love. More like the love for violence.

      2. ‘Peace lovers’ are sleeping together in the same bed with the haters known for amanat hj hadi n doa2 pecah perut. These indoctrinations nurtured the likes of c.n. Al afghanis, ISIS malays martyr wannabes.

        Suppose those malays isis fighters returned home with the guns and all, will they be kind to the ‘peace lovers’?

    2. ‘Christians in Malaysia who have or who are willing to take up terrorism and violence to further their cause?’

      The don’t have too, they can outsource it to the Americans and other western power thus the bully continues!

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      1. Afghan Shia Muslims flog themselves for Ashura festival – video

        Hundreds of Shia Muslims in Afghanistan’s capital, Kabul, flog themselves to mark the festival of Ashura on Wednesday. The festival marks the martyrdom of Hussain, the Prophet Muhammad’s grandson, in the battle of Karbala in Iraq in the year 680. Shia Muslims mourn for a month as part of the festival

        http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2012/nov/21/afghan-shia-muslims-ashura-video

        P.S

        That is one of the many reasons why they are banned in Malaysia i.e. Shia.

        1. And yet Malaysia has cordial diplomatic relations with Iran.

          Iran which is the big-time champions of Shi’ites. And a major terrorist sponsor, according to the US.

          They say politics makes for strange bed fellows.

          I wonder where Iranian diplomats in Malaysia say their daily prayers? Have they set up their own mosque in the Iranian Embassy in KL?

          1. ‘And yet Malaysia has cordial diplomatic relations with Iran.’

            We have cordial relationship with China too, but that does not make us communists, does it?

            1. You read all his comments and you know he’s always flipping when it suits him.

              In politics, there are no permanent friends, no permanent foes. Only strategic interests.

          2. Re. And yet Malaysia has cordial diplomatic relations with Iran.

            We are the Champion of non-alliance movement (NAM). Thus our policy is not to meddle in other countries affair as much as we can. For the record we are the first country in the world that established diplomatic relation with PRC in 1974 during Tun Razak’s tenure. On top of that, when Iran was under the UN sanction, we still support their oil industry by oil from them.

            Re. Iran which is the big-time champions of Shi’ites. And a major terrorist sponsor, according to the US.

            In case you missed the news, now the US is collaborating with Iran to fight the Jihadist in Syria. For the record, Syria was a Sunni majority before the civil war and Shia is the minority. With the help of the US, now the Shia minority government has been installed. The same old story like in Iraq.

            Re. Have they set up their own mosque in the Iranian Embassy in KL?

            I am sure they have one inside their compound to cater the ever increasing Iranian population here in Malaysia.

            Proselytizing and Practicing the Syia sect is only restricted to Malaysia Muslims and not foreigner, thus they are free follow their norm.

            Sunni and Syia have long been in conflicts in the Middle East, thus Malaysia has made the right move to only allow Sunni sect to be practiced here. On that notes, that is why all other deviant Islamic teaching such as Al Arqam, Tuhan Harun, Ayah Pin and many others have been over the years.

            Re. They say politics makes for strange bed fellows.

            Ask DAP and PAS

            P.S

            There are many Iranians performing their daily prayers at various Mosque in Kuala Lumpur, and nobody is stopping them from doing so, and it is not a problem at all to us.

            1. Re Ask DAP and PAS

              Some people are known for enjoying the thrills of illicit relationships.

              1. DAP and PAS should formalize their Pakatan relationship just like how the BN marriage is properly registered.

                1. I don’t think they could. In all seriousness, I don’t think PKR can cement anything with either DAP nor PAS as BN did!

                2. For their “marriage” to become legit, the DAP must embrace Islam. Let me ask you. Can a Muslim man marry a non Muslim woman? Of course he can, once the non Muslim woman embraces Islam.

                  So far, and I m going to be really sneaky a bit, DAP is just intai intai, pura pura kata mesra Islam but they have yet to say they will masuk islam.

                  Okay lah, ada masuk lah, masuk masjid, Occupy Mosques but still masih belum betul betul masuk Islam, at least the kaum lelaki belum sunat lagi. So mana boleh formalize the Pakatan relationship? If they formalize the relationship, meaning DAP sudah masuk Islam, then the parents = constituents, read here as the Chinese, memang tak akan okay punya.

                  Okay lah, ada segelintir yang okay kalau masuk Islam, kaum Dapsters okay with masuk islam, but the kaum konservatif Cina yang pekat dengan budaya Tionghua memang akan tentang tak habis habis punya. So apa boleh buat? Continue with the flirting, if the need arises, and the needs are consistent from time to time, they carry out illicit acts.

              2. In the old days, we called it “Fuck Buddy”, but to be politically correct, this day we call it “Friend With Benefit”.

              3. Anon 11:26

                Itulah sebabnya mereka melahirkan ‘anak anak haram’ (refer kepada pengikut pengikut mereka.)

                Mereka menuduh Zul Nordin cakap ‘macam macam’ berbentuk provokasi, pada hal mereka yang memulakan dahulu.

                Mereka memang pakar PUTAR BELIT ‘of the highest degree’ Kemudian putar salahkan orang lain pula!

                Sebenarnya saya suka mereka terus bersikap demikian. Satu kali, dua kali dan tiga kali ramai yang ‘terbeli jualan mereka.

                Tapi sampai bila orang ramai akan terbeli jualan kotor mereka itu?
                Kecualilah semua penduduk Malaysia orang yang bodoh bodoh belaka dan tidak berfikir!

                Cinabeg DAP memang selalu kalah bila Allah swt memberi sedikit nikmat kemenangan kepada mereka. Bila menang sedikit mereka menjadi terlalu sombong dan tamak. Seolah olah dunia telah mereka tawan!

                Akibat sikap sombong mereka terjadi tragedy Mei 1969. Akibat tidak sedar diri dan ‘kufur nikmat’ ( memang Cinabeg DAP orang kafir pun ) pada tahun 2008 dan 2013, maka lahir lah Perkasa dan ISMA menjadi semakin dikenali dan mempengaruhi Melayu Islam.

                Janganlah sudah murah lagi menawar!

                Ada komen yang mempermain mainkan tragedy 13 Mei. Saya yakin mereka golongan muda yang tidak ingat kesan peristiwa ini.

                Wahai Cinabeg DAP, INGAT, bangunan bangunan tinggi dan indah di Malaysia banyak milik kaum kerabat kamu, Cinabeng DAP!

                1. Zul Nordin was only responding to what they say…..

                  Now you can see who the real idiotic lanuns are.

                  Dia sahaja bolih CAKAP……. reaction sikit MULA TUDUH oranggg.

                  Stand up Zul, we salute you !!

          3. Major terrorist to US because they just cannot get their hands on all the god given minerals spread all across Iran..

            Similar tricks here la.. For years trying to bring down Sarawak CM and terkial sangat nak gunapakai nama “Allah” actually an excuse to win the East Malaysian Christians so they can enter Sarawak easy meh… Muahaha Just this week alone LKS and Teresa selang berapa hari aja mentioned SARAWAK in their blogs….

            Hmmm Irony SARAWAK always on their minds wan. They are already starting their nonsense on Mukhriz, this time I am going to secretly tape their loud mouth.. Biar kena sue sampai tinggal seluaq dalam!

              1. If you’re not objecting to Thaipusam (or are you?), then why bring up the Catholics and the Shiites self-flagellation?

  2. the biggest christian followers would be the states of america. look how they promote and provoke violence all over the world. they even sponsored the ISIL and protect the jews.

  3. Based on these comments it seems that we have a high price to pay for liberalism and openness adopted by BN govt. What more without ISA. DEFINITELY THIS WILL LEAD TO A FREE FOR ALL.

    Just wonder whether NAJIB is leading the country towards a right direction……. or vice versa !

    This has never happened during Tun Mahathir’s tenure, and Malaysian were living happily….. despite complaints that Tun was a ” DICTATOR” ………. yes a dictator for a peaceful Malaysia.

    ISA is the best tonic for a peaceful Malaysia………. as proven….. and Peace loving Malaysians will definitely want it back……

    Wake up NAJIB…… WE DON’T LIKE ANOTHER SLEEPY PM….

    1. Re. This has never happened during Tun Mahathir’s tenure

      To be fair, it was Tun M who approved social-media freedom before he left office.

  4. They say chinese controls the economy. So what our Gomen do, nothing? A few strict ‘dasar kerajaan’ – will make the economy turns around. GST – belum laksana, already meroyan siang malam ! Remember buy British last ? What about Buy Chinese last, the real campaign !

    Of course Malaysia sikit susah laa.. so Tun M strategy made all the chinese, left no choices – alive or dead ! For the given period, money kept in foreign banks outside Malaysia would be zero value !

    What happened then ? Dont ever forget the history of Malaysia…. just insist that Malays are stupid moron ?

    1. Heh, heh – that’s the voice of futility squawking!

      Just remember that it didn’t take the US too long to marginalise the Iranian financial system.

      It did the same to Putin and his clique of crony oligarchs over Ukraine/Crimea.

      Push comes to shove, it could do that to any other country it deems “unfriendly”.

      I don’t think that even Tun Dr Mahathir, in his heydays, would want to test the US on this.

      1. You’re the typical shit who gets his news from Fox, CNN and the like who thinks that your world is Wonderland. You think what you’re getting from Fox, CNN and the like is “fact”. Of course it is “fact” because those are the “fact” you want to believe. In fact, you and your lot believe and impose your line of thinking that what you and your lot subscribe to, the rest must also subscribe.

        Re Just remember that it didn’t take the US too long to marginalise the Iranian financial system.

        It did the same to Putin and his clique of crony oligarchs over Ukraine/Crimea.

        Push comes to shove, it could do that to any other country it deems “unfriendly”.

        Ever heard of Global Research ?

        Here. Take a good look http://www.globalresearch.ca/

        Oh wait. The truth must be very discomforting. I know what you’re going to say next. You’re going to switch to denial mode and say Global Research is make believe.

      2. Re. Just remember that it didn’t take the US too long to marginalise the Iranian financial system.

        Yupe. They did the same to us during the 1997-98 Asian Economy Crisis but we fight back and remain resilient since. As the saying goes, life is just like a boomerang, in 2007-08 they faced financial melt down and is yet to fully recovered until today. We in return is hardly affected, where none of local banks reported losses during the period.

        Re. I don’t think that even Tun Dr Mahathir, in his heydays, would want to test the US on this.

        Have you forgotten how vocal he has been and still until now? Even the threat from IMF during the 1997-98 crisis failed to subdue him.

        When Petronas first venture into Sudan, the US was not that happy so much so, they threat to destroy the Petronas Tanker which was about to enter the gulf of Eden. Though his ingenuity as always, he called the Chinese Premier to become part of the project and that silence the US. Since then, Petronas has become the biggest beneficiary of oil in Sudan.

        When Iraq was under sanction the first time, he put Tun Siti Hasmah on the plane to sent medical supplies for the Iraqi under no fly zone at that time. If that is not considered as sheer courage, compassion and sacrifice I don’t what is.

        P.S

        Janganlah pandand orang macam tak ada mata.

        Now tell me, which other world leader can match that?

        1. On separate note but closely related to financial system, for those of you who have always wonder why Malaysian Ringgit is weal as compared to Singapore Dollar, you may learn a thing or two from here.

          Senators urge Obama to prohibit Chinese currency manipulation

          In a preemptive move before an upcoming negotiation between the United States and China over monetary and political issues, two federal lawmakers have resubmitted a bipartisan proposal, calling for an end to what they say is Chinese currency manipulation that hurts U.S. companies.

          http://americasmarkets.usatoday.com/2014/06/12/senators-urge-obama-to-prohibit-chinese-currency-manipulation/

          1. u mean communist know how to manipulate the currency and give an illusion that their currency is weak? ni communist memang penipu. pity la uncle sam n spore.

            1. The US did even worst by resorting to quantitative easing i.e. printing more money.

              The Economist explains What is quantitative easing?

              – See more at: http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2014/01/economist-explains-7#sthash.pzjEYG6U.dpuf

              And YES pity Singapore, since forex is one of their main income where SGD is openly traded in the market, the rise in SGD has resulted in their export and inward FDI become expensive, so much so in 2012 the Monetary Authority of Singapore reported USD10 billion losses.

            2. Economics Q&A: What is a managed floating exchange rate?

              A managed currency is an exchange rate that is basically floating in the foreign exchange markets but is subject to intervention from time to time by the monetary authorities, in order to resist fluctuations that they consider to be undesirable.

              Normally the currency floats freely in the market – the value is determined by the forces of supply and demand for a given currency.

              But the government and/or central bank of a country may decide to use intervention in the currency market as a way of manipulating its value to achieve given macroeconomic objectives

              http://www.tutor2u.net/blog/index.php/economics/comments/economics-qa-what-is-a-managed-floating-exchange-rate

      3. Wah you Olek Skilgannon also telioq and jealous of Iran, so like the US making all sorts of excuses, nak huloq tempurung segan, minta sedekah malu..

        Haiyaàa cara and otak so alike even in Malaysia, ramai dok telioq and are trying to cekop from Sarawak by whatever desperate means, even play play with the name of God?

        Iran is OPEC’s second largest exporter and the world’s fourth oil producer;

        Iran held 10.3% of the world’s total proven oil reserves.

        Iran has the world’s largest reserves of natural gas (17.9% of the world’s total).

        Iran’s unique geographical position means 90% of the country has enough sun to generate solar power 300 days a year

        Iran has the potential to become the 9th largest geothermal energy producer.

        Iran ranks the 1st in the world in terms of zinc resources, 2nd in copper resources, 9th in iron mines, 10th in uranium mines and 11th in lead mines, the report added.

        Iran is one of the most important mineral producers in the world. There are 68 different types of minerals in Iran.

        Dah tak beri izin masuk korek kasi sampai licin, label others as terrorist la, extremist la.. Jenis muka tebal tak malu.. Hak oghang semua telioq!

  5. Re “[Don’t] think China will just keep quiet.”

    This is the irony of ironies. They say “no Malays, no Indians, no Chinese only Malaysians” and when push comes to shove, they flash the China card. I wonder, when are they going to flash the Indian card.

    Oh wait a second. The Indians…………do they even existed ?

    Truth be told, the Chinese, the real Chinese, those from Mainland China, the China Chinese, they are not interested in the any of the nonsense that’s being hawked by these “descendants of the coolies”. Why ?

    Who abandoned China, who deserted China when she was weak and desperate ? Now they people have the gall to drag the people of China into their “war”.

    These people should stop dreaming. The people of China have a long memory. They remember who abandoned, deserted China when China was assaulted by the western imperial powers.

    Deserters are not known for their loyalty. This the people of China know only too well.

    1. Well, Malaya outlawed the CPM – Communist Party of Malaya – and fought a long and bloody war to defeat the Communists.

      That was the same CPM that professed loyalty to the CCP – the Chinese Communist Party.

      Fast forward to 2014 and it’s the successors to the CCP who are holding the reins of power in China.

      As they say memories are long.

      As the Japanese are finding out now.

      As are those with claims in the South China Sea.

      1. Re That was the same CPM that professed loyalty to the CCP – the Chinese Communist Party.

        You didn’t remember what the late Zhou En Lai said about the coolies ? “The coolies are now the citizens of Malaysia. They should pledge their loyalty to this country. Not China.”

        Re Fast forward to 2014 and it’s the successors to the CCP who are holding the reins of power in China.

        So you’re alternating between being Chinese and Malaysian when it is deemed convenient for you?

        Re As they say memories are long.

        As the Japanese are finding out now.

        As are those with claims in the South China Sea.

        Ah there you go again. Trying to equate territorial disputes with race eh ?

        1. Perhaps it is only right for us to ask them to balik China, so much for their “[Don’t] think China will just keep quiet.”

          Apa lagi Cina mahu?

          1. Asking them to return to China ? We should also ask this question. Will China take them back ?

            One word of advice for these people. The China Chinese know what you are up to. China is a one party state and it will not tolerate anything that threatens the one party system.

            Bottom line is, you go to China, you do what you are doing here in Malaysia, and you know what you’re going to get.

            China is not going to take them back. But our southern neighbor might have other ideas. After all, 250k Malaysians of Chinese ethnicity live, work, study in Singapore.

            1. China will not welcome Christians because their own underground Christians are destabilizing the ‘communist’ society and recently following the murder in McDonald’s, the authorities have started cracking down on the crazy Christian cults.

              1. Australia now very cautious about the Chinesese………… that include HELEN !!!!
                See how dangerous they can be.

                1. Tu pasai Temban don’t want to have “Chinese” or “Indian” scribbled anywhere in her official documents.

            2. ‘China is not going to take them back.’

              I know. But they don’t know it do they? And its fun telling these ingrates off!

              1. You can tell 1,001 times but nothing can penetrate. Their skull is thicker than the Great Wall of China.

            3. Re. After all, 250k Malaysians of Chinese ethnicity live, work, study in Singapore.

              According to report 87% of them refuse to become neutralized citizen, and at the same time on annually basis about 25K people mostly PRC Chinese have become New Citizens in Singapore.

            4. china under communist is just a piece of shit, who want to go there? except some father n son pm from the likewise authoritarian countries want to suck their hmmm ….

                1. fit or no fit, i still dun go kiss the chinese hmmm i mean the mainland chinese ass.

      2. Dulu cakap Chin Peng pejuang kemerdekaan, sekarang ni cakap ‘loyal to Chinese Communist Party’ pulak.

        Mana satu ni?

  6. Of ‘cos they are no extremist, spead love and peace all over the world. They only give all their love the veey way taught by their religion.

    Hitler showered so much love to the Jews and sent many of them to Heaven. Bush and his close friend Blair before leaving office taught the Iraqians and Afghans what Christian love is all about and also succeded in sending many to Heaven too.

    That was why in 2008 Penang invited Blair to give talks on how to bring more love to the Malaysians the Christianity way..

    Just see how LKS and son, Teresa Kok and Tembam, Eli Kang Wong and many more of their kind conduct themselves as true loving Christians just like the ways of Hitler, Bush and Blair.?

    1. Just go to LKS blog and see how he is spreading LOVE to fellow Christians in Sarawak. “That the Allah’s ruling is turning all Sarawakian Christians into criminals” hehehe

      Actually dia nak hulur tempurung ego melambung nak minta sedekah rasa segan. Sarawak wth 8.6b FDI and his son getting hardly half a billion, dia terkial2 nak cekop, the best is use Christianity sbagai umpan.

      Anak dia pon sama. Mukhriz beri cadangan nak bina airport baru dia risau sangat2 takut kos membina akan membebankan kerajaan. Spreading his love by giving his professional (accountant sijil) advise. Muahahah

      Tembam akan tetap memberi prayers, agar “mountains” “Sarawak” “moves ” dan kasi lepiaq, tanah2 gunung, bole le jual kasi depa cepat jadi kaya.. Selama hampir 50tahun hanya mereka saja duk ambil berat pasai rakyat Sarawak tau tak?

      Selesai kikis semua sampai botak, macam Hitler, Bush dan Blair kalo tak menghilangkan diri mereka akan dok diam2 mengoyan dan rasa megah sebagai penganut Agama Christian yang kononnya amat prehatin dan berjaya mengspread kasih sayang.

  7. The vitriol by the so-called Christians is sickening and disgusting. I know loads of Christians who don’t use such language or curse Muslims and Malays like that.

    It’s nothing to do with the religion but everything to do with racist, bigoted Chinese individuals (yes, these DAPster evangelistas) who have realised that using Christianity to undermine the government will get better sympathy and attention from the Christian West.

    They begin by attacking and insulting UMNO (which is just a catch all to mean everything Malay Muslim), then move on to Islamic terrorism etc, when they get criticized by Malays. Soon, there’ll be fiery arguments and insults from both sides. Then they’ll show non-political Christians these comments, saying “see what these Malays are saying about our faith!” This inevitably riles up the neutrals to begin supporting the opposition. Then they’ll cry out the muslims are oppressing Christians.

    As for the argument that there are no Christian terrorists, err.. heard of Northern Ireland? Waco? In fact, even the colonial powers can be described as the pioneer Christian terrorists, after all they came using their gunships to massacre and seize lands from Asians and Africans. And brought in missionaries to convert the natives. But the West would never call them as such.

    1. ‘will get better sympathy and attention from the Christian West.’

      Bingo! Thus the Reza Aslan we are laughing at you and Obama BS on treating our minorities!

      [YouTube]

  8. Habisla Melayu sudah tak boleh amalkan cara hidup depa already, for the sake of some minoriti!

    “The cow is a sacred animal to all Hindus. We respect every part of the cow, including the head,” Mohan told The Malaysian Insider.

    He said a cow should not be belittled or insulted and used to do bad things to others, adding it was also a sign of disrespect.

    “Clearly, whoever was responsible for the act has no respect for other religions, or the rights and beliefs of other worshipers,” Mohan said.’

    http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/cow-head-incident-an-insult-to-hindus-says-malaysia-hindu-sangam

    Mohan, the Malays have a saying, ‘bodoh macam lembu’ and some, like me, suka makan daging lembu? Just because some worship lembus, they can’t deny the Malays from consuming it, can they?!

    1. Ironik. Dari McDonald’s sampai pasar malam pun ada dijual daging lembu, tapi islam1st terasa kena jentik oleh Hindu Sangam sebagai “sudah tak boleh amalkan cara hidup depa”.

      Ini majoriti otak songsang namanya. To paraphrase islam1st, just because Muslims are forbidden to pork, they can’t deny others from consuming it, can they? Sebelum kita melenting kat orang lain, baik cermin diri dulu. Golongan minoriti di Malaysia sudah lama diasak dan diseru untuk menjaga sensitiviti golongan majoriti, tapi semuanya masih tak cukup. Perkasa sampai tak boleh duduk diam apabila PETRONAS dikatakan kepunyaan rakyat Malaysia.

      Helen pasang sasaran kat golongan Kristian, tapi saya kira yang celuparnya bukan penganut agama Kristian. Semua agama ajar yang baik-baik saja, termasuk agama Islam. Yang jadi mulut kena diklorox itu tak cukup pendidikan agama. Macam si Ridhuan Tee tu jelas takde kaitannya dengan kaum dan agama. Benda-benda bodoh seseorang individu itu janganlah dipalitkan dengan agama, bangsa dan Negara.

      Tengok saja perangai orang Cina dan reaksi Menteri Besar Pulau Pinang dengan penambahan kabinet baru-baru ini. Selamba aje komplain portfolionya tak cukup glamor tapi lupa diri entah berapa kerusi yang dimenangkan oleh MCA dan Gerakan. Lim Guan Eng pula MB yang terlampau high-classnya nak tambah kutuk sekaki, kononnya MCA dan Gerakan macam kucing kurap dapat leftovers saja tanpa kuasa sebenar. Bukan cakap LGE itu salah, tapi kalau nak main statistik kata kabinet besar sangat berbanding jumlah penduduk Negara, apa kejadah Exco negeri Pulau Pinang dengan bilangan penduduk dan keluasan yang jauh lebih kecil dari Selangor dan Johor dua kali lima sama ramainya dengan yang lain (10-11 orang)? Siap tambah lagi dengan 2 orang timbalan Menteri Besar yang tiada tolok bandingnya di antara negeri-negeri di Malaysia kecuali Sabah dan Sarawak.

      Dunia ini macam-macam orang yang ada, yang tak sedar diri hanya nampak kuman seberang laut tapi gajah depan mata buat tak tahu.

    2. They should not point fingers and take for granted the cow head was left by humans! It can even be the work of tigers or harimau jelmaan?

      Kan Tanjung ada banyak harimau?

    3. There are things that are stranger than fiction in this world, but it’s not an excuse to publicly demean others here in Malaysia.

      Man marries a cow in India: [YouTube]

      Quotations from Mahatma Gandhi, the gentle liberator of modern India:

      “Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

      “Islam’s distinctive contribution to India’s National Culture is its unadulterated belief in the Oneness of God and a practical application of the truth of the Brotherhood of Man for those who are nominally within its fold.”

      “There is no religion higher than Truth and Righteousness. If we commit sins with the name of God on our lips, can we hope to win the grace of God? Suppose one man admits the existence of God, but lives a life of falsehood and immorality, while another knows not the name of God but lives a life of truth and virtue, can there be any doubt as to which should be regarded truly religious as well as moral?”

  9. This is just to remind mama Dapsters and the others how dangerous it is if they go to the extreme to champion the Christianity cause by bull-dozing the Federal Constitution.

    This is the scenario in the Middle East and may be it will happen to Malaysia if we are not careful. ISIS, a group denounced by al-Qaeda’s leaders for being “too extreme”, has seized large swathes of Iraq and seeks to carve out a purist Islamic enclave across both sides of the Syria-Iraq border.

    An offensive against Christian villages in the north of Iraq sent thousands of Christians fleeing from their homes, seeking sanctuary in Kurdish-controlled territory. Strengthened by their victories in Syria and Iraq, where they have seized control of the north of the country, Isis and its followers are now also gaining purchase in Jordan. Strengthened by their victories in Syria and Iraq, where they have seized control of the north of the country, Isis and its followers are now also gaining purchase in Jordan.

  10. Reading Helen’s blog and the commentators if it is to be believed as representing the majority of Malaysians make you wonder who is actually inciting and instigating Malaysians to go to war against each other.

    Such spitefull, hatred, ugly Malaysians who all deserved to be ISA.

    Doing their Gods work?

  11. Some one-track (so-called) minds here are just as twisted, bigoted and communal as those of their Dapster counterparts.

  12. I took this para from RPK:

    “This is called divide and rule, which will allow us to check and balance the Muslims in Malaysia, just like in the Middle East, Africa, and so on. And with the Chinese united behind DAP and the East Malaysians also united (due to the oil royalty, Bible and Allah issues, etc.) the Muslims in Malaysia can continue to talk and scream but that is all it will be: just talking and screaming and going nowhere. his is called divide and rule, which will allow us to check and balance the Muslims in Malaysia, just like in the Middle East, Africa, and so on. And with the Chinese united behind DAP and the East Malaysians also united (due to the oil royalty, Bible and Allah issues, etc.) the Muslims in Malaysia can continue to talk and scream but that is all it will be: just talking and screaming and going nowhere.”

    Any comment from Malay and Muslims?

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